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I remember last time when I tried to replace the rotors and couldn't get those out with a regular screwdriver. It was your video that helped me understand I need a JIS tool. Thanks.
I have done many brake jobs, I never have bought a JIS screwdriver, I do put a #3 phillips into the screw and bang on them a few times with a Dead Blow Hammer and it works everytime....I do not put them back in, its not necessary. They are only there to hold rotors in place in the factory while assembling the car, spinning on a rotissorie!
So nice to see eye protection in use. I watch a lot of car videos made by pro techs - I'd say the majority of them are very careless, especially when working underneath the vehicle.
So, I just changed all my calipers, rotors and pads and bled my fluid on my 09 Accord and all Ive ever done is change my own oil. Ive never even seen someone do brakes before besides on UA-cam. It went great and your video was extremely helpful to the whole process. Thank you so much! In addition to all of that, the two rear rotors were the original with JIS screws. I saw this video before I did them and got this tool just in case I needed it. I needed it! lol one of those rotors was a bitch. But a night of whacks and WD40 sessions and it was off. You rock.
A little tip Eric O. gave quite a while back and I use with rust for screw heads, valve lapping compound on the screw driver tip. It really helps keep the point of the screwdriver in the head. try it sometime. good tips! Happy Thanksgiving Dave!
These screwdrivers look great and I'll definitely be getting a set, but I didn't have them available. So word of wisdom, you can use a really thin punch that only touches the center, deepest point of the screw head and give it a few spirited smacks. Came right out for me 👍
As you spoke and showed us some great tips I was looking for any dirt on your floor. Nope, it was spotless. (ha ha) I don't own any impact screw drivers and there have been a few instances where they would have come in handy. I do have the style that rotates as you hit it and that has worked. My gloves never last more than one hammer hit either. :)
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The best part about your videos is that you take the time to answer questions. Didn’t you have a few videos where you use a die grinder to clean around the wheel studs and brake hub using a roloff disk and OTC brake hub kit?
Big Dog50001 Automotive On your next brake job, can you use your Milwaukee M12 die grinder and OTC brake hub kit? Your previous videos used the pneumatic grinder. I am considering purchasing the Milwaukee in the near future. Thank you.
I was going to buy a set of vessel screwdrives but i decided to go with the air hammer attachment made to remove these screws . it works awesome! Hasnt failed me yet
If you are reading this and having trouble taking the screws out, you could buy the Quinn heavy duty impact screwdriver kit from your local Harbor Freight.It's about $35 but it's worth it. It had 4 bit heads included. I've made quick work of rotor screws on multiple Hondas with this tool. Harbor Freight tools are hit or miss, but this one definitely has saved me from drilling out rotor screws, which trust me is not fun. Make sure you're still using PB Blaster beforehand on the screws, especially if this is an older car.
Hey bigdog, sam from saudi, i have accord 2.4 2005 the coolant goes to overflow tank and not back to radiator, there is no bulding pressure in radiator, i replace oem cap but did nothing, i check engine & transmission deb-stick there is no oil coolant mixer , on radiator i find little oil on cap, what could cause that? No leaks for coolant any where . Thank you sir
Great video - I have a 2015 Crosstour, it has the two small screws, like your vehicle. However, it also has a third larger screw, at least I guess it’s a screw, it has the OD of maybe a nickel with a rectangular cut out in the center. What is that?
I have that exact same Vessel tool. It did not work on all four of my wheels. I will try to heat with a torch and then use an air impact with a flat punch and then try the Vessel tool again.
Great video but have you ever tried putting back the lug nuts and Tighten them back on then simply unscrew the rotor screws, it takes a lot of pressure off the screws, I use this trick all the time , peace and God Bless
Thanks be to God for you and this comment! Saved me a boat load of constrination. I was using a sledgehammer with the vessel by the time I was searching the comments. Once I put back on the lug nuts, the rotor screws practically fell out they were so easy to unscrew! If anyone else is having trouble, do this!
I did brakes for a buddy on a Hyundai Sonata and got 3 out of 4 rotor screws out using a variant of this method. I had screwdrivers with removable bits so I could hammer in just the bit by itself into the screw, then hook up the screwdriver and just unscrew it like a normal screw. The last rotor screw stripped off the head so I put a thick flat head bit into my screwdriver and used it as a chisel, hammered it into the head to get a bite on it and started hammering counterclockwise and the last screw came loose.
A Professional way is being in possession of the "Brake Specifications/Brake Bleeder Instructions Guide" from www.motors.com....The 2nd Step which will cause a large per centage of Mechanics to actually Blow a Head Gasket is using a "Micrometer & a Dial Indicator".........Utilizing those "2" Jewels by recording on every Customers Invoice will ALWAYS allow Judge Judy to side with you, ALWAYS - because of your EXCELLENT paperwork. Los Angeles County Southern California 11/21/2019
Basically, they should be replaced if they are scored, damaged or out of spec (parallelism/runout/disc thickness). Runout, disc thickness and parallelsim specs can be found in manufacturer service information and are generally measured with a dial gauge and micrometer. Sometimes rotors can be refinished on a brake lathe to bring them back into spec, but most shops now just replace rather than try to refinish them due to the cost of labor vs new rotors. In the case of Honda, if rotors are to be refinished, they generally only want it to be done using an on car brake lathe machine.
Man, did I struggle with these screws when I was replacing rotors on my Civic for the first time. Was like - why. would. you. not. TURN?!?!?! Didn't know back then I had to use impact screwdriver..
Dave, those vessel screwdrivers do they have JIS tips or are they just #2/3 Philips tips? Anyway, have a good cup of coffee and a Happy Thanksgiving. Artie 👍👍👍
Hammered away at mine for a good 10 minutes with that exact screw driver and they didn't come out. What ended up doing the trick is drilling them out with a cobalt drill bit. Didn't put new ones in either because they're not necessary
No roto screws will allow slight movement of the rotors. I have heard leave them out if there broke and i have heard you need them to stop rotor play, i think honda put them there for a reason. Nice Video.
The screws only help during installation by holding them in place, once the wheels are torqued down the rotors aren't going anywhere. That being said, I don't like to install rotors without them.
Buy a 1/4 drill bit and #3 philips or the JIS. You may get lucky and you can get it out with the bit. If not, you have the drill. Smack the crap out of the screw before attempting. Don't listen to people who say all you need is the JIS. Not true. Screw can still break. There is no guaranteed way.
They are there to hold the rotor during assembly, mostly for when they build the vehicle. Unfortunately, there are many things service manuals do not tell you. Other vehicle manufacturers use clips to hold the rotors in place and some don't use anything at all, even at the factory.
@@BigDog50001 So are you relying on the whole assembly keeping those rotors in place, sandwiched between pads, and held in place by a wheel and its wheel nuts?
I hammered for hours and hours. Eventually tried drilling them out but my drill wasn’t powerful enough. I’m currently at a loss. On blaster, hammering, nothing works.
Yeah I don't get it. Half the people say it works, half the people say it doesn't do squat. Fuck it i'm just going to drill bit them out. No consensus on these things.
I was always under the impression that these screws were only put in place to hold the rotors on during time on the assembly line. Other than that, they serve no other purpose
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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve hit my hand lol. Life of a mechanic. Another simple but informative vid! Thanks!
I know right! I could have edited it out but I figured I would show what it is really like sometimes. Thanks for the comment!
I remember last time when I tried to replace the rotors and couldn't get those out with a regular screwdriver. It was your video that helped me understand I need a JIS tool. Thanks.
Glad it helped you before, thanks for the comment!
Nice demonstration on the use of that tool. The right tool for the job
Thanks Jim!
Another great video!!! Oh how we love those Honda screws!
Like a love/hate relationship lol!
With the Vessel Impacta tool I’m not even scared to put them back in lol
I have done many brake jobs, I never have bought a JIS screwdriver, I do put a #3 phillips into the screw and bang on them a few times with a Dead Blow Hammer and it works everytime....I do not put them back in, its not necessary. They are only there to hold rotors in place in the factory while assembling the car, spinning on a rotissorie!
So nice to see eye protection in use. I watch a lot of car videos made by pro techs - I'd say the majority of them are very careless, especially when working underneath the vehicle.
All fun and games until you get something stuck in your eye!
So, I just changed all my calipers, rotors and pads and bled my fluid on my 09 Accord and all Ive ever done is change my own oil. Ive never even seen someone do brakes before besides on UA-cam. It went great and your video was extremely helpful to the whole process. Thank you so much!
In addition to all of that, the two rear rotors were the original with JIS screws. I saw this video before I did them and got this tool just in case I needed it. I needed it! lol one of those rotors was a bitch. But a night of whacks and WD40 sessions and it was off. You rock.
Thanks for the comment 👍!
A little tip Eric O. gave quite a while back and I use with rust for screw heads, valve lapping compound on the screw driver tip. It really helps keep the point of the screwdriver in the head. try it sometime. good tips! Happy Thanksgiving Dave!
One of these days I need to give that a try!
2023 is going to be my first time removing these screw, thanks for the info about screwdriver
Make sure it's your last. Don't reinstall them. They aren't needed and only become more of a pain to get out during the life of your car
Man, you seem like a good Dude thanks for this video. I am retired and on a budget so I have to save money wherever I can..Ill give her a try!!
I bought the Vessel Impacta N° 3 for the Honda brake rotor screws. It did the job with a four pound sledgehammer 🔨 with ease.
These screwdrivers look great and I'll definitely be getting a set, but I didn't have them available. So word of wisdom, you can use a really thin punch that only touches the center, deepest point of the screw head and give it a few spirited smacks. Came right out for me 👍
As you spoke and showed us some great tips I was looking for any dirt on your floor. Nope, it was spotless. (ha ha) I don't own any impact screw drivers and there have been a few instances where they would have come in handy. I do have the style that rotates as you hit it and that has worked. My gloves never last more than one hammer hit either. :)
I hate is when gloves only last one hammer hit! ;)
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The best part about your videos is that you take the time to answer questions. Didn’t you have a few videos where you use a die grinder to clean around the wheel studs and brake hub using a roloff disk and OTC brake hub kit?
Yes, that is typically how I do brake jobs, thanks for the comment!
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I was going to buy a set of vessel screwdrives but i decided to go with the air hammer attachment made to remove these screws . it works awesome! Hasnt failed me yet
That is always an option too!
2 of the best honda G's
Some recommend putting 2 lug nuts on to take the tension off the screws . Then back out the screws .
Great explanation of what and why.and easy wach and do.thank you
Thanks 👍!
If you are reading this and having trouble taking the screws out, you could buy the Quinn heavy duty impact screwdriver kit from your local Harbor Freight.It's about $35 but it's worth it. It had 4 bit heads included. I've made quick work of rotor screws on multiple Hondas with this tool. Harbor Freight tools are hit or miss, but this one definitely has saved me from drilling out rotor screws, which trust me is not fun. Make sure you're still using PB Blaster beforehand on the screws, especially if this is an older car.
brilliant ... the JIT vs SAE phillips tip threw me off so I ordered the tool from Amazon
Hey bigdog, sam from saudi, i have accord 2.4 2005 the coolant goes to overflow tank and not back to radiator, there is no bulding pressure in radiator, i replace oem cap but did nothing, i check engine & transmission deb-stick there is no oil coolant mixer , on radiator i find little oil on cap, what could cause that? No leaks for coolant any where . Thank you sir
Scotty?? Come on, I didn't say "Rev up your engines"!
@@BigDog50001 lol sorry forgot to delete it 😂😅
Great video - I have a 2015 Crosstour, it has the two small screws, like your vehicle. However, it also has a third larger screw, at least I guess it’s a screw, it has the OD of maybe a nickel with a rectangular cut out in the center. What is that?
Just curious if spraying a little deep creep from Seafoam, wait and then use a rotary hammer with a drill setting with a screw bit work for this?
I have that exact same Vessel tool. It did not work on all four of my wheels. I will try to heat with a torch and then use an air impact with a flat punch and then try the Vessel tool again.
I'm having the same problem. Did anything end up working?
@@johnvolpert8295 I used a large flat punch. Hit punch over screw head with a large hammer. Then use Vessel tool. No heat was necessary.
Great video but have you ever tried putting back the lug nuts and Tighten them back on then simply unscrew the rotor screws, it takes a lot of pressure off the screws, I use this trick all the time , peace and God Bless
I don't typically do that but thanks for the input, others may want to try it!
Thanks be to God for you and this comment! Saved me a boat load of constrination. I was using a sledgehammer with the vessel by the time I was searching the comments. Once I put back on the lug nuts, the rotor screws practically fell out they were so easy to unscrew! If anyone else is having trouble, do this!
Nice video. Good explanation.
No need to put those screws back in but I would line up the holes. You should also wear hearing protection as well.
If it is your vehicle, yes I agree they can be left off. If I am working on someone else's vehicle, I always reinstall them. Thanks for the input!
Great video!
Great video. Thanks a lot.
I did brakes for a buddy on a Hyundai Sonata and got 3 out of 4 rotor screws out using a variant of this method. I had screwdrivers with removable bits so I could hammer in just the bit by itself into the screw, then hook up the screwdriver and just unscrew it like a normal screw. The last rotor screw stripped off the head so I put a thick flat head bit into my screwdriver and used it as a chisel, hammered it into the head to get a bite on it and started hammering counterclockwise and the last screw came loose.
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Does that turn as you hit it? Does it also tighten or does it not have a way to change the setting?
It turns (loosens) when it is hit. There are no settings and it will not turn the other direction (tighten).
What’s the success rate of this method?
Use an air hammer with the shake and bake tool attached to it. Game over.
That jack stand looks like the ones Harbor Freight recalled. I had a set and they took them back.
How do we decide whether or not the rotors need to be replaced?
A Professional way is being in possession of the "Brake Specifications/Brake Bleeder Instructions Guide" from www.motors.com....The 2nd Step which will cause a large per centage of Mechanics to actually Blow a Head Gasket is using a "Micrometer & a Dial Indicator".........Utilizing those "2" Jewels by recording on every Customers Invoice will ALWAYS allow Judge Judy to side with you, ALWAYS - because of your EXCELLENT paperwork.
Los Angeles County
Southern California
11/21/2019
Basically, they should be replaced if they are scored, damaged or out of spec (parallelism/runout/disc thickness). Runout, disc thickness and parallelsim specs can be found in manufacturer service information and are generally measured with a dial gauge and micrometer. Sometimes rotors can be refinished on a brake lathe to bring them back into spec, but most shops now just replace rather than try to refinish them due to the cost of labor vs new rotors. In the case of Honda, if rotors are to be refinished, they generally only want it to be done using an on car brake lathe machine.
Would an impact driver work?
Yes, the tool I showed is a variation of an impact driver. I would just make sure to use a JIS tip.
I can't get the stupid screws off my tsx, tried all methods and air impacts
What pain in the ass on my Honda fit and pb blast last you can drill them out
THANK YOU !!
Judging from the shiny studs , I'd say that rotor was removed for bearing assembly replacement. Hand held Impact Driver is the ticket
Man, did I struggle with these screws when I was replacing rotors on my Civic for the first time. Was like - why. would. you. not. TURN?!?!?! Didn't know back then I had to use impact screwdriver..
They can be tough the first time, thanks for the input!
Ever heard about heat gun?
Impacting works better than heat on these in my opinion.
Dave, those vessel screwdrivers do they have JIS tips or are they just #2/3 Philips tips? Anyway, have a good cup of coffee and a Happy Thanksgiving. Artie 👍👍👍
They are JIS.
I bought that same screwdriver..I wacked it until Christmas and the screws still didn't come out. I used the last resort of drilling.
That can happen, thanks for the input!
I have one of those Vessel screwdrivers, and one screw came off, but the other didn't. SUPER annoying.
Hammered away at mine for a good 10 minutes with that exact screw driver and they didn't come out. What ended up doing the trick is drilling them out with a cobalt drill bit. Didn't put new ones in either because they're not necessary
Thanks for the input!
No roto screws will allow slight movement of the rotors. I have heard leave them out if there broke and i have heard you need them to stop rotor play, i think honda put them there for a reason. Nice Video.
The screws only help during installation by holding them in place, once the wheels are torqued down the rotors aren't going anywhere. That being said, I don't like to install rotors without them.
a 2007 Accord and you make the video in 2019 and suggest the rotor is still factory?
You don't think it's possible? I guess you don't work on many vehicles. Thanks for stopping by.
U re the best
I wish i watched this day before yesterday😭😭😭
Good video
Thanks Antonio!
02 Accord.
Kinda a corolla guy myself though.
Is there really any good reason to have those screws in there? I think not.
Buy a 1/4 drill bit and #3 philips or the JIS. You may get lucky and you can get it out with the bit. If not, you have the drill. Smack the crap out of the screw before attempting. Don't listen to people who say all you need is the JIS. Not true. Screw can still break. There is no guaranteed way.
That’s when it works perfectly. Most of us are looking for when it doesn’t
I talked about different ways to deal with them, including when it doesn't work perfectly.
i use a impact driver and big hammer 7 wacks only then its blue wrench time
A BFH is always helpful!
Of how many pounds is your hammer ?🔨
Did you say you don't need to replace the screws? Why are they there, and why does the service manual not mention they are optional? Any idea?
They are there to hold the rotor during assembly, mostly for when they build the vehicle. Unfortunately, there are many things service manuals do not tell you. Other vehicle manufacturers use clips to hold the rotors in place and some don't use anything at all, even at the factory.
@@BigDog50001 Good to know, thank you!
@@BigDog50001 So are you relying on the whole assembly keeping those rotors in place, sandwiched between pads, and held in place by a wheel and its wheel nuts?
@@BigDog50001 Agree.
Watched all lot of videos and end up here…
Wow, yup . . . just needed a person who could explain to me that I was not using the correct tool
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3:41 OUCH!!!!!!!😖😖😖😖😖😖😖😖
Yep.
I watched this twice and noticed I hit thumbs down by accident the first time. So I changed it to thumbs up where it belongs.
Sorry. :D
It happens sometimes, thanks for fixing it lol!
I hammered for hours and hours. Eventually tried drilling them out but my drill wasn’t powerful enough. I’m currently at a loss. On blaster, hammering, nothing works.
Damn, what did you get them out?
Damn I bought a #2
hmmm funny every Honda Ive worked on are so rusty cant even finf them barely
I had a God awful seized screw. I bruised my hand something back with the hammer. It happens.
My hand would of been broke in 4 places 😂
lol
Yeah I don't get it. Half the people say it works, half the people say it doesn't do squat. Fuck it i'm just going to drill bit them out. No consensus on these things.
Number 3 what??
Those are tip sizes of cross-head (Phillips) screwdrivers, #1, #2, #3.....
Sorry. Shake and Brake
I was always under the impression that these screws were only put in place to hold the rotors on during time on the assembly line. Other than that, they serve no other purpose
They also help the same way when doing brake jobs. I always put them back (or replace them if damaged) on any Honda I work on.
Heat around real quick!!Call it a day!Then leave it out!