I’ve use a lot of Elegoo. I use their PLA pro all the time. Best thing is in a bind you can get it same day/next day from Amazon. They are making some of their PLA on plastic spools now.
I exclusively only use Elegoo unless specifically requested by my customers. I've never had any issues with the cardboard spool slightly being bent. Can't beat their prices either.
@@TheRogueBro If you take an elagoo spool, crack open the spool and only keep the middle cardboard piece, they perfectly fit on a plastic bambulab spool. So i buy elagoo and replace them on my bambulab spools for my AMS on my X1C
@@watcherofwatchers true. When I first started out the humidity in my shop was around 65% with no problems. I do find I get better results with it lower than 50%, but not by much.
This was super useful info to me, as I run a small Bambu print farm of 6 printers, and recently have been using Elegoo for their black and white only. The carboard spool thing is annoying because I mainly use P1S+AMS, but there are rings you can print to add a sturdy rim to them. I find it very interesting about the drying part because the cardboard spool could also be holding moisture so I honestly expected the Elegoo to lose more but it didn't. Thanks a lot for making this video.
I've been using EleGoo Rapid PLA Plus on my X1C and A1m with great results. 4 packs of black and while on Amazon are very reasonably priced, arrive next day and have been well packaged.
I use elegoo rapid on my a1s and mini. I always tell the machine it's polylite pla and let it rip. For most items, it prints flawless. For accuracy on dimensional holes you will want to slow down outer wall speed, but otherwise i don't have any issues running it straight out of the package most times. It's my go to for basic prints.
For the water removal test, you used spools that had been sitting out and could have absorbed water (I know you have said from previous videos that you have a very low ambient humidity in the workshop), but still would be interesting to see what the results would be with the refill being dried without the replacement spool.
When Bambu has supply issues due to the high demand over the holidays, I started using Sunlu almost exclusively. The 4 spool bundle price on Amazon is $12/roll with free shipping. They have other bulk options if you buy directly from the Sunlu website. Comes on a plastic spool, but does require a hub adapter if using the AMs Lite. No stringing, no jams, perfect prints, and my shop is currently 70% humidity in central Florida. I don’t use a filament dryer. Never needed one in 10 years of printing PLA. Leave a spool of PLA in your shower room for a week. Try printing with it and see if you find any actual difference between it a a dried spool.
Imho that depends very much on the models that you're printing, I´ve seen drying make a hugh difference, non at all and making it worse so I think its very reasonable that many people have different experiences (maybe your area temperature + Humidity combination is about perfect, we got lower humidity here but also lower temperatures (which makes for lower water content in the air but I'm still not quite sure how much of a difference that makes) Overall drying is a bit of a "ease of mind" thing ~ getting everything around the same basic parameters and work from there
I'm a tad skeptical about the drying. I don't disagree with your test results, but consider that your dryer is putting all the moisture into your shop air, adding to the already existing moisture content, is it _really_ helping that much? I don't know the absorption rate of the filament, but unless you are going through a spool pretty quickly all those open spools are just going to absorb moisture again over time.
100% ☝️ This right here. Emptying it into the room makes zero sense of the roll continues to be used when open. If it was put into an AMS from the x/p series printers or other enclosures then no worries.
Normally I'd agree but I believe from a previous video I saw that he keeps the whole room under 20% relative humidity. And those common colored spools rarely last him 2 days for a dozen. PLA isn't absorbing that fast. and there isn't much humidity to pull from in his environment to start with.
That makes no sense. Elegoo had the cardboard spools and they had less than half the amount of water the bambu had. if you're saying the 2grams from the elegoo were in the cardboard, even better. That means the filament was completely dry right from the start.
@@thedudecalled7 it makes no sense to ask how do you know the cardboard didn't contain water? Isn't cardboard a hygroscopic material? Its been quite a few years since I studied organic chemistry in college maybe the physics of it has changed.
Sam, consider moving your dehydrator to the far left of the table so you don't have to reach around an open door the load/unload it. Also, I've found that weighing spools before/after drying doesn't amount to much since cardboard spools can contain a good bit of moisture. I just dry them and give the dehydrator the benefit of the doubt that it did its job. Another thing to keep in mind regarding weighing filaments; postage scales aren't terribly accurate when it comes down to gram and ounces. I think they're around +/- 2-3gr.
I like the compare, you try to give the filaments the same headstart by drying them. I wonder how much difference there is in colors, great that you tried two different colors of each.The narration was smooth, you have a good voice to talk us trough. Thanks for the video and the work and time you put into it. 🎉
You should look into Polar Filaments. They not only are the white label producer for a LOT of brands, but also are completely made in the US, based in Troy Michigan, so you don't have to worry about supply shortages like overseas suppliers. They can even do custom needs if you ever decide to want a "Samcraft" exclusive color for example. I wish I still lived in Michigan as they even have local pickup and I only lived a couple hours from their location.
Great video, one thing to watch is Bambu Lab settings are tuned to run faster for their own filament. So the generic PLA settings will print noticably slower which has to be taken into account as you are running a print farm. I have used Bambu printers for nearly 2 years now in the UK and print with Sunlu, Esun, Elegoo and Bambu filament, with slight tuning quality is the same, print times still may vary! Interesting to hear about other brands......😁👍 (Humidity held in the cardboard spool will be an issue). The one huge plus point about Bambu is the RF id tags and when opening a new spool they will give you pretty accurate reading of filament used/left which my help with less waste and ease of switch over during prints.
I have used this method quite alot, but also found that the width of the elegoo spools sometimes is a bit too loose in the reusable bambu spool and there is a risk the filament strand will get pulled/sink down by the flange at the sides and get semi stuck during printing. Nowadays I avoid it due to this variation that can cause print stops. Using thin printed rims on the cardboard spools works quite OK for the enclosed ams, but is not perfect either. I avoid elegoo spools for my enclosed ams' if there are many color changes and rolls with a low weight are being used. For context I have printed somewhere in the realm of 150kg elegoo PLA with bambulab P1P/P1S systems.
@Makeringedients hmm haven't had any issues with that yet, then again perhaps it's an ams thing as I don't have one and use them on the external feed and print direct from cereal boxes with the rolls mounted on bearings.
I use PETG primarily. The issue I've been having with Elegoo is that they wrap their filament so tight that it is compressing into itself and not wanting to come off the spool when printing and causing the last quarter of the spool to be wasted. I'm going back to Bambu Lab PETG-HF. Supports also come off easier with Bambu Lab from my experience.
I made a whole cost/benefit analysis of various PLA filament brands (not including Bambulab). I determined that Elegoo and Overture were great budget choices. Then I use Hatchbox for anything that needs to be really strong or stiff.
Hi I am in England / UK I got some elegoo from Amazon last week, and they came in a box in a box well pack...just to let you know... I have pla + and Petg-Rapid... my first time with Petg and got my Bambu P1S in November 2024...
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Note that the ELegoo came on a cardboard spool. Some of the 2g of water might also come from the cardboard spools. As cardboard will also absorb moisture from the air.
I’ve run a lot of Elegoo Rapid PETG with good results. However, the Bambu PETG HF has a much better looking finish compared to it if you make sure to dry it first. The advantage of the Elegoo is getting it for like $12/spool on amazon the next day during surge order time.
I was using Elegoo for a while and I really like their prices. Their customer service is decent as well with good response time. My only complaint is I’ve had some noticeable color differences between spools of the same color. So if I was to complete a project with two spools, there was a noticeable color difference where it switched and that doesn’t work for what I make, aesthetically. I’ve since decided to use polymaker as they claim they use colorimetry to ensure very similar colors between batches and it’s worked well for me.
Haven't used Elegoo because I refuse to support their business practices with their printer and after-sale support. I use Bambu and eSun typically(Also Inland from Microcenter, same stuff though. Depends on if they have a bulk sale). I eagerly await this series as I'm just starting out (3 printers, but going to flea markets).
I run my Elegoo filament under the Bambo filament profiles and they turn out great. Might suggest doing that before trying to manually dial in the settings. At least this has worked for me using the Elegoo Rapid PETG.
@Samcraft would you consider making a video that goes more in depth about tuning? I’m fairy new to the hobby with an A1 and would love to learn more for better prints.
Where are you getting plastic spools from Elegoo from? Must be crazy old stock... I get mine off Amazon and they have been strictly cardboard for a while now.
@@TheRogueBrosome of my newest elegoo rolls came in plastic spools (bought in December) . For the last 18 months, everything that's older than a month old came in cardboard. I'm also in Canada and all my rolls came double boxed and in excellent condition.
For basic things; I've been running elegoo rapid pla+ and rapid petg almost exclusively for more than a year. Probably been through a hundred kilos between home and work. On p1p and x1c's the only tuning I've done is the built-in calibration programs. Never had any print real quality issues other than a little stringing and it's consistent from batch to batch. Only had the occasional spool damage which has only been a problem in the AMS. Maybe one or two tangles - not convinced these weren't human error. I've been getting it off amazon prime. The bulk discount buy in is only 4 spools and price is usually 10-12 USD. At work, we're starting to move towards Bambu because it's more convenient for purchasing department and for loading with the ID tag.
Does the Bambu Lab filament come with calibration parameters for the specific filament rolls, or just by their specific filament type. I understand they use an RFID tag on the rolls, so I could believe the specific roll or batch might be calibrated - right?
Nice video, I saw your "made in USA" tape for packaging on the background in the beginning :P I feel like the made in the USA filament option you mentioned at the end would probably be a nice pick if the quality is good. You can support the local economy, it would be more sustainable and you can probably also stress that more in your marketing. For the few dollars difference per spool your customers would probably hardly have to pay a premium for it.
Good video. I am not sure what you would do to calibrate your settting for the Elegoo filament. Do you have a vido on how you would go about calibrating for a particular filament.
I´ve used a bit of Elegoo since it´s what amazon overnights to me packing seem to be much better in Europe but that damage is still probably more on the shipper. One strange thing I noticed was, that the Elegoo PLA seems to get more stringy when I dry it. Overall it´s OK but a bit inferior to Bambu imho, comes around the same price maybe a slight bit cheaper in Bulk. is your scale precise enough for what you' re measuring? I like the Idea to do it that way but given that we here in the area of 2/1000 / 1/500th you'll need a very precise scale to get good data out of it (which then might have problems to measure up to 1 kg...) I suspect more/some water in the paper part in either case. (if you do that 4 ml thing with blood that make a much bigger impression)
Cool thing you use the elegoo filament on a Bambu spool as if it’s a refill just rip off the cardboard sides and rip out the extra cardboard in the centre and it’s exactly like a Bambu refil and fits perfect
I'm curious if the drying process was affected by how tightly the elegoo filament was rolled vs the bambu filament. Would the looser filament dry out more easily? It seems intuitive to think so, but I don't know if the results would vary due to that factor.
I am new to the 3d printing and have only been printing for a week. I am just hearing about the drying of filament. What type of dryer are you using? Also finding out about filament size the hard way.
@@Inkaholic0628 any filament dryer that gets above 65° Celsius works pretty good. You can also actually dry your filament and desiccants on your heated bed if you have an enclosed chamber. Takes a long time though.
FYI - you can use bambu lab basic profile with elegoo filament, the main difference with this profile is that the volumetric flow is increased to 21, which elegoo filament can do with no problem. This means you can print faster compared to the generic profile.
Sam, how difficult is it to tweak those settings for new filament makers? Is it hours or minutes? Is it two runs or twelve? What are you using as "benchmarks"? (Meaning if Bambu is not PERFECT, what do you do to tweak? And how do you apply that tweaking across the board of testing?) I suppose there is an argument about the cardboard spools but it would seem to be a magnet for any moisture compared to the PLA. Overall I see no reason to fret over it as opposed to the plastic rolls.
You're a goldmine of information. Very easy to listen to and a great presentation style as well. Your channel is going to be extra useful going forward, as I've just got an X1 Carbon E model. Subbed here for sure. Hi from Australia.
Was hoping you were doing a petg comparison because elego rapid petg has been my go to for many parts I produce. Since June I've ran over 100 spools of elego rapid petg with less than 5% fallout.
For a straight up comparison test, shouldn’t you be using the exact same filament profile? Both of them should have been run using the Bambu Basic PLA profile, imo
No, for a correct comparison both filaments should have dialed in profiles, not one coming from the actual manufacturer of the printer/filament and a "generic" option. People can close the video after the drying test, the print test is useless as it is published, IMO.
Great content. I usually measure about 6g of water removal from a brand new sealed spool of Elegoo PLA. I use Creality single spool drier, 12h at 50oC .
My experience with Elegoo has been positive. No damage and I'm not sure if that is because I ordered from Amazon. I went to them after a $400.00 order with Bambu sat idle for weeks, and it took weeks for them to reply to why this was an issue.
Polymaker!! 100% made in the USA in Texas actually!! Can’t wait to see the difference between the two of those. I currently use Bambu but slowing switch over to polymaker polylite
Hi Sam, I love your setup and they way you go about things. Question, have you ever tried using your laser engraver on 3D printed parts like PLA or PETG? I'm curious as to how well it would work
You seem to know about filaments so perhaps you can tell me a important fact. Just how "dry" is dry enough for 3d filaments? If I have it in a dry box, at what %RH and for how long is good enough to get a good print results (all other things being equal)?
With the Bamboo filiment, that came with the X1 Carbon, first experience using it, I was a little miffed at how many times the prints stopped as the filiment rolls had times it jammed from the area being currently pulled from the spool being overlapped by other filiment on the roll. And this wasn't jsut the inital feed, this continued well into teh spool. I'd have watch for it, and manually unspool a bit then gently respool it back so it came off freely.
I've used Bambu, Kingroon, Elegoo and Creality PLA filaments on my A1 w/o issue. A few prints were a bit stringy, likely needing their profiles tweeked, but good overall. That said, the Bambu Labs while well packed, were the sloppiest on their spools, especially the refills.
I use both these companies I did notice if it’s wrapped to tight it can sometimes get stuck on the sides and then my amps fails because It csnt pull the filament outta. Both companies are solid options
I have used lots of brands of filaments in my 10+ years of 3d printing. Elegoo is great and Bambu labs just works. Polymaker i would say is my main go to however, and when i first started out it was Hatchbox. For silk i like Hello 3D
I will however hand over packaging to bambu gladly elgoo multiple times sent out like yours had come but most the time they come in a box or a couple at that
I buy a lot of elegoo Pla+. I always run it at esun but in the rare case I get regular pla from elegoo I use the generic setting. Never had a problem 👍
Elegoo cardboard spools also have the same inner diameter of the bambu refills so you can just transplant them onto an empty bambu spool if the outer edge is damaged
Before even watching I say that I've bought 6kg of Bambu and had no issues. I've bought (since dec 2023) 42kg of elegoo with no issues. Now I'll watch the video.
I run an A1 mini. And use it for prototyping. I have never used bambu's filament I have been using elegoo rapid pla Plus in Black primarily. I have also used comgrow in white without complaints. As far as your packaging my boxes arrived in perfect condition however I did order them through Amazon my usage is not quite as high as yours LOL I'll be interested to see what other filament you try out. Until then, Happy printing!
I am using Elegoo HS PLA on the Neptune 4 privatly, the price is good (+ free shipping is you order 60€, arrival in 2-4 days in Europe) and I never had any trouble with tangles/humidity. I do agree the packaging if you order from Elegoo is wild but it never had any effect on the filament so it does not bother me :3
Thanks for the video. Would have been better if you did a full calibration for the Elegoo so you were testing apples to apples. Also, you should have shown the actual price breakdown for both.
My favorite is numakers but they had a supply issue which forced me to find others. with the price point and plastic reels i went to bambu labs. I run both the regular ams and ams lites and prefer to stay with the plastic reels. There is adapters that can be printed for the ams but rather eliminate issues from them.
I use Elegoo Rapid PLA+. I buy 4kg packs and they come in single large box, not four boxes taped together like you got. Maybe because the colors? Did you order from Amazon or Elegoo directly? I like Elegoo, but I’d also look at Sunlu. Plastic spools, slightly cheaper, and maybe higher quality. Also appreciate you knowing and saying the Elegoo would be the same with a tiny bit of tweaking. Finally thought, I don’t think either of those had enough moisture to affect anything. Would be interesting to print a bench’s first, then dry, then print again.
Can you share which carriers were used for the ELEGOO & BAMBU LAB deliveries? So Sam, I'm surprised you don't have your dehydrator on the left end of the table instead of the right. Crossing around the door would seem to be a time and safety concern. Wouldn't it be possible to extract more water out of the Bambu product because it was wrapped looser? With the tight wrap of the Elegoo filament, air wouldn't dive deep into the spool.
I find elegoo on my printer leaves more oil on the print surface. I can print multiple prints no plate cleaning bamboo lab but elegoo plate needs cleaning after every print
Did you do a before and after comparison of the cardboard rolls from EElgoo and to the cardboard core of Bambu Lab? I think not. The fact that cardboard can hold moisture can account for the discrepancy between the 2 suppliers since on uses more cardboard than the other.
I looked on the Etsy shop and did not see any. multicolor prints (May have missed them). Have you considered 2, 3, or 5 kg rolls? If not printing multicolor, could skip the AMS, change rolls less often, and potentially save some money. Just a thought.
Bonjour, perso j'aurais essayer d'imprimer avec les filaments à l'arrivé sans les asséchés et après asséchement voir l'impact et la différence entre les deux marques, simple curiosité. 😉 Bonne Journée à TOUS !
I am having problems with Bambu PLA. I have around 12 rolls of their PLA and as you noted in your video their filament is not wrapped as nice on the Elegoo filament. Using an Elegoo printer and using the Bambu Filament I have had the first two rolls jam on the spool and stop the print. The jam is so bad I can not loosen the filament easily and will probably need to unwind the spool. I have use around 20 rolls of eSun PLA with no problems. I do have an Bambu X1 Carbon (AMS) and I like the RF tags but I am not sure if I will be buying anymore Bambu Filament. Thanks for the informative video.
You're going to get jams refilling spools no matter which brand..it's not a good idea and not efficient when running multiple printers. Unless your hug a tree hugging environmentalist then I can't see any benefit of the refills imo.
@@donoho93I had no plans to refill any spools sorry I was not clear I just wanted to unwind to the jam point but maybe that is a bad idea. Thanks for the feedback.
I was using Elegoo until I started getting print fails within the first 5 layers due to bed adhesion. Switched to Creality and feel it has superior bed adhesion. I also use the Storm Design Motor Drive 2 powered modular re-spooler, so spool does not matter to me. No matter what manufacturer I used (including the BL refills) I would get tangles in my AMS (BL X1C). Due to that, I re-spool every one of my spools and either use BL spool or printed spools. Not sure what happened to Elegoo recently, but bed adhesion has declined (IMO), and yes, I have futz with several other things that one would associate with bed adhesion, but no luck. The PLA swap was a last ditch effort.
I’ve use a lot of Elegoo. I use their PLA pro all the time. Best thing is in a bind you can get it same day/next day from Amazon. They are making some of their PLA on plastic spools now.
I've been using their Rapid Pla+ with their Neptune 4 pro and it's awesome. Being able to print high quality pla parts that fast is just awesome
What’s wierd I’ve had the plastic spools of elegoo u can see water in the vacuum bag the card board ones I don’t see any
I exclusively only use Elegoo unless specifically requested by my customers. I've never had any issues with the cardboard spool slightly being bent. Can't beat their prices either.
I've had countless issues with the cardboard spools in the AMS on my P1S.
@@TheRogueBro Print the Python mod and no more issues with any kind of spool type.
@@kennethturner7942 seems excessive! I just printed some slip on cardboard spool adapters.
@@TheRogueBro If you take an elagoo spool, crack open the spool and only keep the middle cardboard piece, they perfectly fit on a plastic bambulab spool. So i buy elagoo and replace them on my bambulab spools for my AMS on my X1C
When you calibrate the Elego filament, would you make a video on that process? Thank you, another great video!
Keep uploading the content. This Christmas a lot of new people got into the hobby. Your knowledge is gold.
My friend, you forgot to count the humidity of the Spool, it doesn't mean that the filament had 4 grams of humidity.
And so the plastic Bambu Lab spool had more moisture than the cardboard Elegoo?
@@therealdholling the cardboard was in a sealed pack, the spools had been laying around the shop.
You make a good point @@RandyBrown162
It's irrelevant either way. PLA is not as affected by moisture as the Internet likes to portray.
@@watcherofwatchers true. When I first started out the humidity in my shop was around 65% with no problems. I do find I get better results with it lower than 50%, but not by much.
This was super useful info to me, as I run a small Bambu print farm of 6 printers, and recently have been using Elegoo for their black and white only. The carboard spool thing is annoying because I mainly use P1S+AMS, but there are rings you can print to add a sturdy rim to them. I find it very interesting about the drying part because the cardboard spool could also be holding moisture so I honestly expected the Elegoo to lose more but it didn't. Thanks a lot for making this video.
I've been using EleGoo Rapid PLA Plus on my X1C and A1m with great results. 4 packs of black and while on Amazon are very reasonably priced, arrive next day and have been well packaged.
Same here and I've never had a package come to my door like his did (from Elegoo), Amazon does a much better job with their packaging.
Peach!!👏🍻
I use elegoo rapid on my a1s and mini. I always tell the machine it's polylite pla and let it rip. For most items, it prints flawless. For accuracy on dimensional holes you will want to slow down outer wall speed, but otherwise i don't have any issues running it straight out of the package most times. It's my go to for basic prints.
For the water removal test, you used spools that had been sitting out and could have absorbed water (I know you have said from previous videos that you have a very low ambient humidity in the workshop), but still would be interesting to see what the results would be with the refill being dried without the replacement spool.
When Bambu has supply issues due to the high demand over the holidays, I started using Sunlu almost exclusively. The 4 spool bundle price on Amazon is $12/roll with free shipping. They have other bulk options if you buy directly from the Sunlu website. Comes on a plastic spool, but does require a hub adapter if using the AMs Lite. No stringing, no jams, perfect prints, and my shop is currently 70% humidity in central Florida. I don’t use a filament dryer. Never needed one in 10 years of printing PLA. Leave a spool of PLA in your shower room for a week. Try printing with it and see if you find any actual difference between it a a dried spool.
Imho that depends very much on the models that you're printing, I´ve seen drying make a hugh difference, non at all and making it worse so I think its very reasonable that many people have different experiences (maybe your area temperature + Humidity combination is about perfect, we got lower humidity here but also lower temperatures (which makes for lower water content in the air but I'm still not quite sure how much of a difference that makes)
Overall drying is a bit of a "ease of mind" thing ~ getting everything around the same basic parameters and work from there
I definitely see a very noticeable difference between drying and not drying filament, PLA and PETG.
Elegoo, Voxel, and polymaker have been wonderful for me. Polymaker is definitely a company i would choose for great filament
I'm a tad skeptical about the drying. I don't disagree with your test results, but consider that your dryer is putting all the moisture into your shop air, adding to the already existing moisture content, is it _really_ helping that much? I don't know the absorption rate of the filament, but unless you are going through a spool pretty quickly all those open spools are just going to absorb moisture again over time.
100% ☝️ This right here. Emptying it into the room makes zero sense of the roll continues to be used when open. If it was put into an AMS from the x/p series printers or other enclosures then no worries.
He goes through the bulk of the spools he drys every day so doenst give them enough time to reabsorb.
@@Penguinishyhe also runs dehumidifiers in the shop 24/7, in my experience that works very well for keeping things dry
Normally I'd agree but I believe from a previous video I saw that he keeps the whole room under 20% relative humidity. And those common colored spools rarely last him 2 days for a dozen. PLA isn't absorbing that fast. and there isn't much humidity to pull from in his environment to start with.
how do you know the water wasn't in the cardboard packaging?
That makes no sense. Elegoo had the cardboard spools and they had less than half the amount of water the bambu had. if you're saying the 2grams from the elegoo were in the cardboard, even better. That means the filament was completely dry right from the start.
@@thedudecalled7 it makes no sense to ask how do you know the cardboard didn't contain water? Isn't cardboard a hygroscopic material? Its been quite a few years since I studied organic chemistry in college maybe the physics of it has changed.
Sam, consider moving your dehydrator to the far left of the table so you don't have to reach around an open door the load/unload it.
Also, I've found that weighing spools before/after drying doesn't amount to much since cardboard spools can contain a good bit of moisture. I just dry them and give the dehydrator the benefit of the doubt that it did its job. Another thing to keep in mind regarding weighing filaments; postage scales aren't terribly accurate when it comes down to gram and ounces. I think they're around +/- 2-3gr.
Not sure if anyone mentioned it here in the comments, but Bambu does tell you that you need to dry your refills before using them.
I like the compare, you try to give the filaments the same headstart by drying them. I wonder how much difference there is in colors, great that you tried two different colors of each.The narration was smooth, you have a good voice to talk us trough. Thanks for the video and the work and time you put into it. 🎉
You should look into Polar Filaments. They not only are the white label producer for a LOT of brands, but also are completely made in the US, based in Troy Michigan, so you don't have to worry about supply shortages like overseas suppliers. They can even do custom needs if you ever decide to want a "Samcraft" exclusive color for example. I wish I still lived in Michigan as they even have local pickup and I only lived a couple hours from their location.
That's awesome! Thanks for the suggestion.
I just placed an order with them. :)
@Samcraftcom can't wait to see another test video. In my opinion a fair test would be to have both filaments on the same default settings
Great video, one thing to watch is Bambu Lab settings are tuned to run faster for their own filament. So the generic PLA settings will print noticably slower which has to be taken into account as you are running a print farm. I have used Bambu printers for nearly 2 years now in the UK and print with Sunlu, Esun, Elegoo and Bambu filament, with slight tuning quality is the same, print times still may vary! Interesting to hear about other brands......😁👍 (Humidity held in the cardboard spool will be an issue). The one huge plus point about Bambu is the RF id tags and when opening a new spool they will give you pretty accurate reading of filament used/left which my help with less waste and ease of switch over during prints.
Does the RFID tag provide parameters for the specific batch of filament, or only based on the filament type?
Fyi, the bambu spools fit in the elegoo rolls if you rip the cardboard sides off.
I have used this method quite alot, but also found that the width of the elegoo spools sometimes is a bit too loose in the reusable bambu spool and there is a risk the filament strand will get pulled/sink down by the flange at the sides and get semi stuck during printing. Nowadays I avoid it due to this variation that can cause print stops. Using thin printed rims on the cardboard spools works quite OK for the enclosed ams, but is not perfect either. I avoid elegoo spools for my enclosed ams' if there are many color changes and rolls with a low weight are being used. For context I have printed somewhere in the realm of 150kg elegoo PLA with bambulab P1P/P1S systems.
@Makeringedients hmm haven't had any issues with that yet, then again perhaps it's an ams thing as I don't have one and use them on the external feed and print direct from cereal boxes with the rolls mounted on bearings.
I use PETG primarily. The issue I've been having with Elegoo is that they wrap their filament so tight that it is compressing into itself and not wanting to come off the spool when printing and causing the last quarter of the spool to be wasted. I'm going back to Bambu Lab PETG-HF. Supports also come off easier with Bambu Lab from my experience.
I just use the Bambu pla profile with Elegoo and it prints great. Might want to try that.
Thanks for the tip!
I made a whole cost/benefit analysis of various PLA filament brands (not including Bambulab). I determined that Elegoo and Overture were great budget choices. Then I use Hatchbox for anything that needs to be really strong or stiff.
Interestingly enough, most extruding/spooling processes run the extrude through a water bath to cool it before it hits the spool.
Hi I am in England / UK I got some elegoo from Amazon last week, and they came in a box in a box well pack...just to let you know... I have pla + and Petg-Rapid... my first time with Petg and got my Bambu P1S in November 2024...
Note that the ELegoo came on a cardboard spool.
Some of the 2g of water might also come from the cardboard spools.
As cardboard will also absorb moisture from the air.
I’ve run a lot of Elegoo Rapid PETG with good results. However, the Bambu PETG HF has a much better looking finish compared to it if you make sure to dry it first. The advantage of the Elegoo is getting it for like $12/spool on amazon the next day during surge order time.
I love how he said just for kicks and giggles he got me laughing. Great video by the way. Keep up the good work!
I was using Elegoo for a while and I really like their prices. Their customer service is decent as well with good response time. My only complaint is I’ve had some noticeable color differences between spools of the same color. So if I was to complete a project with two spools, there was a noticeable color difference where it switched and that doesn’t work for what I make, aesthetically. I’ve since decided to use polymaker as they claim they use colorimetry to ensure very similar colors between batches and it’s worked well for me.
Haven't used Elegoo because I refuse to support their business practices with their printer and after-sale support. I use Bambu and eSun typically(Also Inland from Microcenter, same stuff though. Depends on if they have a bulk sale). I eagerly await this series as I'm just starting out (3 printers, but going to flea markets).
what businesses practises? what has elegoo done to you?
I run my Elegoo filament under the Bambo filament profiles and they turn out great. Might suggest doing that before trying to manually dial in the settings. At least this has worked for me using the Elegoo Rapid PETG.
You can also on the elegoo cardboardspools you can also take the sides of the spool off and they will fit on the Bambu spools
Are the original bengy on the card not pre-sliced?
That would mean that it was printed with the same parameters as the original Bambu Lab PLA profile.
I’ve been using the Elegoo rapid petg and it’s printed well so far.
I'd like to hear your comments on Ziro filament.
@Samcraft would you consider making a video that goes more in depth about tuning? I’m fairy new to the hobby with an A1 and would love to learn more for better prints.
Are you having trouble with the smart stitch?
I'm up in Canada. I buy elegoo filament. They come double boxed and in plastic spools. Always well practiced. Just so you know. Keep up the good work!
Where are you getting plastic spools from Elegoo from? Must be crazy old stock... I get mine off Amazon and they have been strictly cardboard for a while now.
@@TheRogueBro I believe I bought them directly from elegoo. It was back in the middle of the summer.
@@TheRogueBrosome of my newest elegoo rolls came in plastic spools (bought in December) . For the last 18 months, everything that's older than a month old came in cardboard. I'm also in Canada and all my rolls came double boxed and in excellent condition.
I am absolutely not an expert at this, so... does it matter which ships with more water content if you're going to dry them before printing?
For basic things; I've been running elegoo rapid pla+ and rapid petg almost exclusively for more than a year. Probably been through a hundred kilos between home and work. On p1p and x1c's the only tuning I've done is the built-in calibration programs. Never had any print real quality issues other than a little stringing and it's consistent from batch to batch. Only had the occasional spool damage which has only been a problem in the AMS. Maybe one or two tangles - not convinced these weren't human error.
I've been getting it off amazon prime. The bulk discount buy in is only 4 spools and price is usually 10-12 USD.
At work, we're starting to move towards Bambu because it's more convenient for purchasing department and for loading with the ID tag.
Does the Bambu Lab filament come with calibration parameters for the specific filament rolls, or just by their specific filament type. I understand they use an RFID tag on the rolls, so I could believe the specific roll or batch might be calibrated - right?
Nice video, I saw your "made in USA" tape for packaging on the background in the beginning :P I feel like the made in the USA filament option you mentioned at the end would probably be a nice pick if the quality is good. You can support the local economy, it would be more sustainable and you can probably also stress that more in your marketing. For the few dollars difference per spool your customers would probably hardly have to pay a premium for it.
Good video. I am not sure what you would do to calibrate your settting for the Elegoo filament. Do you have a vido on how you would go about calibrating for a particular filament.
I´ve used a bit of Elegoo since it´s what amazon overnights to me packing seem to be much better in Europe but that damage is still probably more on the shipper.
One strange thing I noticed was, that the Elegoo PLA seems to get more stringy when I dry it.
Overall it´s OK but a bit inferior to Bambu imho, comes around the same price maybe a slight bit cheaper in Bulk.
is your scale precise enough for what you' re measuring? I like the Idea to do it that way but given that we here in the area of 2/1000 / 1/500th you'll need a very precise scale to get good data out of it (which then might have problems to measure up to 1 kg...)
I suspect more/some water in the paper part in either case.
(if you do that 4 ml thing with blood that make a much bigger impression)
Cool thing you use the elegoo filament on a Bambu spool as if it’s a refill just rip off the cardboard sides and rip out the extra cardboard in the centre and it’s exactly like a Bambu refil and fits perfect
I'm curious if the drying process was affected by how tightly the elegoo filament was rolled vs the bambu filament. Would the looser filament dry out more easily? It seems intuitive to think so, but I don't know if the results would vary due to that factor.
You should do a video on the print modifications you do to your A1s.
I'll put it on the short list!
I am new to the 3d printing and have only been printing for a week. I am just hearing about the drying of filament. What type of dryer are you using? Also finding out about filament size the hard way.
@@Inkaholic0628 any filament dryer that gets above 65° Celsius works pretty good. You can also actually dry your filament and desiccants on your heated bed if you have an enclosed chamber. Takes a long time though.
When you dial in the Elegoo can you share the settings?
I appreciate your content, love that you do these long-form videos!
You should try putting in 2 of the Bambu spools and see if they are holding moisture as you had those sitting out in the shop
Haven’t had an issue with either. I print both on my Ender3 and X1C.
FYI - you can use bambu lab basic profile with elegoo filament, the main difference with this profile is that the volumetric flow is increased to 21, which elegoo filament can do with no problem. This means you can print faster compared to the generic profile.
Sam, how difficult is it to tweak those settings for new filament makers? Is it hours or minutes? Is it two runs or twelve? What are you using as "benchmarks"? (Meaning if Bambu is not PERFECT, what do you do to tweak? And how do you apply that tweaking across the board of testing?) I suppose there is an argument about the cardboard spools but it would seem to be a magnet for any moisture compared to the PLA. Overall I see no reason to fret over it as opposed to the plastic rolls.
You can fully calibrate a new fillament in half a day. Check the Orca slicer internal calibration tools.
Voxel makes a really nice printing filament.
Damn! When did you open your new print farm. is there a video on setting it all up?
You're a goldmine of information. Very easy to listen to and a great presentation style as well. Your channel is going to be extra useful going forward, as I've just got an X1 Carbon E model. Subbed here for sure. Hi from Australia.
I really appreciate your comment. I'm not an expert by any means though. :)
you should have used the generic settings when printing.
Was hoping you were doing a petg comparison because elego rapid petg has been my go to for many parts I produce. Since June I've ran over 100 spools of elego rapid petg with less than 5% fallout.
Regarding to the Elegoo keep that in mind half of the water come from the cardboard spool not just from the filament.
Then it was even drier than the Bambu. Bambu -4g, Elegoo -2g.
For a straight up comparison test, shouldn’t you be using the exact same filament profile? Both of them should have been run using the Bambu Basic PLA profile, imo
No, for a correct comparison both filaments should have dialed in profiles, not one coming from the actual manufacturer of the printer/filament and a "generic" option. People can close the video after the drying test, the print test is useless as it is published, IMO.
Great content. I usually measure about 6g of water removal from a brand new sealed spool of Elegoo PLA. I use Creality single spool drier, 12h at 50oC .
My experience with Elegoo has been positive. No damage and I'm not sure if that is because I ordered from Amazon. I went to them after a $400.00 order with Bambu sat idle for weeks, and it took weeks for them to reply to why this was an issue.
I like Esun. Plus its preprogrammed into the A1 as a filament option.
Polymaker!! 100% made in the USA in Texas actually!! Can’t wait to see the difference between the two of those. I currently use Bambu but slowing switch over to polymaker polylite
Polymaker filament is great..so is overture, but it cost significantly more.
Only 5% of polymaker's products are made in USA right now: us-wholesale.polymaker.com/pages/usa-made-products
I’ve been using Bambu, sunlu, elegoo. Really liking Sunlu packaging and product.
Overture is sweet for the price
Hi Sam, I love your setup and they way you go about things.
Question, have you ever tried using your laser engraver on 3D printed parts like PLA or PETG? I'm curious as to how well it would work
You seem to know about filaments so perhaps you can tell me a important fact. Just how "dry" is dry enough for 3d filaments? If I have it in a dry box, at what %RH and for how long is good enough to get a good print results (all other things being equal)?
I use many different versions of filament and have had great results with them just spending a little time to fine tune each one.
With the Bamboo filiment, that came with the X1 Carbon, first experience using it, I was a little miffed at how many times the prints stopped as the filiment rolls had times it jammed from the area being currently pulled from the spool being overlapped by other filiment on the roll. And this wasn't jsut the inital feed, this continued well into teh spool. I'd have watch for it, and manually unspool a bit then gently respool it back so it came off freely.
I've used Bambu, Kingroon, Elegoo and Creality PLA filaments on my A1 w/o issue. A few prints were a bit stringy, likely needing their profiles tweeked, but good overall.
That said, the Bambu Labs while well packed, were the sloppiest on their spools, especially the refills.
I use both these companies I did notice if it’s wrapped to tight it can sometimes get stuck on the sides and then my amps fails because It csnt pull the filament outta. Both companies are solid options
Thank you for sharing your experiences, I appreciate it!
I have used lots of brands of filaments in my 10+ years of 3d printing. Elegoo is great and Bambu labs just works. Polymaker i would say is my main go to however, and when i first started out it was Hatchbox. For silk i like Hello 3D
I use elegoo on both my a1 series and that’s it. They fit right on the ams but I don’t necessarily hate that. Plus stupid cheap in bulk
I will however hand over packaging to bambu gladly elgoo multiple times sent out like yours had come but most the time they come in a box or a couple at that
Elegoo PLA can be run with the esun PLA plus profile, it's a faster profile and I'm pretty sure you can actually use the bamboo PLA profile also
I buy a lot of elegoo Pla+. I always run it at esun but in the rare case I get regular pla from elegoo I use the generic setting. Never had a problem 👍
@@Jerkbag714 even regular PLA can run eson PLA plus profile I run anycubics regular PLA, plus countless others with zero issues
I wonder if the perforated bambo spools contributed to more moisture being extracted.
Elegoo cardboard spools also have the same inner diameter of the bambu refills so you can just transplant them onto an empty bambu spool if the outer edge is damaged
Before even watching I say that I've bought 6kg of Bambu and had no issues. I've bought (since dec 2023) 42kg of elegoo with no issues. Now I'll watch the video.
Elegoo has been my go to lately.
I run an A1 mini. And use it for prototyping. I have never used bambu's filament I have been using elegoo rapid pla Plus in Black primarily. I have also used comgrow in white without complaints. As far as your packaging my boxes arrived in perfect condition however I did order them through Amazon my usage is not quite as high as yours LOL I'll be interested to see what other filament you try out. Until then, Happy printing!
What type of dehydrator are you using?
The link is in the video description
I am using Elegoo HS PLA on the Neptune 4 privatly, the price is good (+ free shipping is you order 60€, arrival in 2-4 days in Europe) and I never had any trouble with tangles/humidity.
I do agree the packaging if you order from Elegoo is wild but it never had any effect on the filament so it does not bother me :3
Thanks for the video. Would have been better if you did a full calibration for the Elegoo so you were testing apples to apples. Also, you should have shown the actual price breakdown for both.
My favorite is numakers but they had a supply issue which forced me to find others. with the price point and plastic reels i went to bambu labs. I run both the regular ams and ams lites and prefer to stay with the plastic reels. There is adapters that can be printed for the ams but rather eliminate issues from them.
When is a filament too dry?
I use Elegoo Rapid PLA+. I buy 4kg packs and they come in single large box, not four boxes taped together like you got. Maybe because the colors? Did you order from Amazon or Elegoo directly?
I like Elegoo, but I’d also look at Sunlu. Plastic spools, slightly cheaper, and maybe higher quality.
Also appreciate you knowing and saying the Elegoo would be the same with a tiny bit of tweaking.
Finally thought, I don’t think either of those had enough moisture to affect anything. Would be interesting to print a bench’s first, then dry, then print again.
Can you share which carriers were used for the ELEGOO & BAMBU LAB deliveries? So Sam, I'm surprised you don't have your dehydrator on the left end of the table instead of the right. Crossing around the door would seem to be a time and safety concern. Wouldn't it be possible to extract more water out of the Bambu product because it was wrapped looser? With the tight wrap of the Elegoo filament, air wouldn't dive deep into the spool.
I find elegoo on my printer leaves more oil on the print surface. I can print multiple prints no plate cleaning bamboo lab but elegoo plate needs cleaning after every print
Would love to know a recommendation for a small dehydrator. Thanks again Sam, great video and content applicability
I’ve had two spools of elegoo back to back that had ultra thin areas and resulted in failure to feed and lost prints. Feed error was not detected.
Did you do a before and after comparison of the cardboard rolls from EElgoo and to the cardboard core of Bambu Lab? I think not. The fact that cardboard can hold moisture can account for the discrepancy between the 2 suppliers since on uses more cardboard than the other.
I looked on the Etsy shop and did not see any. multicolor prints (May have missed them). Have you considered 2, 3, or 5 kg rolls? If not printing multicolor, could skip the AMS, change rolls less often, and potentially save some money. Just a thought.
is it that humid in Tennessee that you need to dry your filament, and is it necessary to dry your filament?
Bonjour, perso j'aurais essayer d'imprimer avec les filaments à l'arrivé sans les asséchés et après asséchement voir l'impact et la différence entre les deux marques, simple curiosité. 😉 Bonne Journée à TOUS !
I am having problems with Bambu PLA. I have around 12 rolls of their PLA and as you noted in your video their filament is not wrapped as nice on the Elegoo filament. Using an Elegoo printer and using the Bambu Filament I have had the first two rolls jam on the spool and stop the print. The jam is so bad I can not loosen the filament easily and will probably need to unwind the spool. I have use around 20 rolls of eSun PLA with no problems. I do have an Bambu X1 Carbon (AMS) and I like the RF tags but I am not sure if I will be buying anymore Bambu Filament. Thanks for the informative video.
You're going to get jams refilling spools no matter which brand..it's not a good idea and not efficient when running multiple printers. Unless your hug a tree hugging environmentalist then I can't see any benefit of the refills imo.
@@donoho93I had no plans to refill any spools sorry I was not clear I just wanted to unwind to the jam point but maybe that is a bad idea. Thanks for the feedback.
Sam where did you get those white filament holders spool when you buy filament without the spool?
They're from Bambu. I'll usually order a handful of 'new' spools, then just buy refills there after with each printer I add to my farm.
I use Elegoo filament with printed bambu spools plus spacer. Also set it in printer as bambu filament. So far prints look ok.
I wonder if you weights are going to be off at all do to the spools themselves being included in the data. Cardboard vs plastic spools
wouls moisture damage a 3D printer?
I was using Elegoo until I started getting print fails within the first 5 layers due to bed adhesion. Switched to Creality and feel it has superior bed adhesion. I also use the Storm Design Motor Drive 2 powered modular re-spooler, so spool does not matter to me. No matter what manufacturer I used (including the BL refills) I would get tangles in my AMS (BL X1C). Due to that, I re-spool every one of my spools and either use BL spool or printed spools. Not sure what happened to Elegoo recently, but bed adhesion has declined (IMO), and yes, I have futz with several other things that one would associate with bed adhesion, but no luck. The PLA swap was a last ditch effort.