Mouthpiece Spotlight: Schilke 24 [HUGE]
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For me, the Schilke 24 is more of a warm-up tool than an actual mouthpiece. It's absolutely massive; too much so for me, even though I'm used to playing on quite large mouthpieces.
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I had a 24 once, it felt like a Trombone MPC...although you might want to pull it out every so often to "beef up" on LOL...The Schilke models 24, 22, 20 and 18 were all old man Schilke's personal models...he would play them with delrin rims, 24 throats and Schmidt backbores...insane!
That's precisely what I use my 24 for. And yeah, Reynold's larger-than-Bach-1C models were all personal designs from what I heard.
Sam you sound great on it man I need something that big
I have played that size for years. Lol. I had the throat drilled out to a #20. I love it!
The open throat helps with shifting the air column through the partials so that the Bb-D won’t feel as far apart.
Wow, interesting stuff! I never thought to widen the throat because the cup volume already felt so insanely large but I see how, if done properly(!!) that would help.
My former jazz teacher uses a Schilke 22 for his normal playing application (avante garde jazz). I've been using a Schilke 17 for a few years now and it seems to always be the one mpc that works best for me, regardless of the regularity of my practicing/playing, and always feels great to me. BUT, out of curiosity, I recently purchased a Schilke 16 which I am also liking quite a bit. Now it's a matter of seeing if the 17 consistently remains my go-to mpc. Cheers, Samuel.
Thanks for the comment, Sean! The 16-18 range of Schilke pieces are great for the typical 'large' mouthpiece player who doesn't want to oversize. I like the 20 as well, but that's pushing it, in all honesty. My experience with Schilke is more limited than, for instance, Bach, but I find myself liking Schilke mouthpieces more as the years go by.
*Commenting this before someone tells me to try a trombone/trumpet hybrid mouthpiece*
Haha, yes, very funny and original.
Samuel Plays Brass | How would a Schilke 40B play (smallest trombone mouthpiece)?
But being serious, what mouthpiece do you use for euphonium playing? I’m using a Schilke 51D right now, and while I’ll probably stick with it, I’m wondering about the other options out there.
@@mr.starfish4965 I tend towards larger mouthpieces on the euphonium and currently use a Bach 5G because that's what I know best. I played a Schilke 51D once and really liked it for orchestral/solo stuff, so what you've got is probably a good bet! I know my 5G is deeper than something like a 6-1/2AL or 12C, but it's right in the same ballpark as your 51D, just a more trombone-ish version. I'd say stick with what you've got!
Samuel Plays Brass | Thanks for the information!
Samuel Plays Brass I actually need this mouthpiece because I’m switching back from euphonium and looking for a mouthpiece this size and wondering what website to buy it from so it’s not a scam would you know where to buy it?
@@gamerbeastboy1842 Mouthpiece Express, Amazon, Ebay, etc.
Well done, you keep your jaw in the right position, and therefore all registers sound smooth. Wow!I apologize for the English.
Thank you very much, Valery! I appreciate the kind words.
Actually love the sound of it low-middle reg
It's definitely a nice sound, but I feel as though I'm working very hard for it, particularly as I reach the middle of the staff.
I have a custom made 20E4 with a 24 throat for rotary trumpet. Not as wide as this but huge in other ways. I wonder if they would make a 24E4 with a 24?
Schilke’s website listed no other 24-related size than the straight 24 (C cup, basic rim shape, etc.) but I’m sure they’d be willing to make a custom order. Not that I could ever play a 24E4/24 throat. Your 20 sounds pretty cool though! I think my ideal for low trumpet parts might be an 18E4 or 20E4.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I don't think I could either! I have an Alliance 1 and it's about that size. It's a killer
i just switched from a 7c to a 3c....the latter feels like i need to blow more air in and has a fatter sound. How long will it take for me to adjust to any mouthpieces switch in your opinion? And how should i approach the upper register in a bigger new mouthpiece?
That’s a very typical sensation going from a smaller mouthpiece to a larger one! Any new mouthpiece will take a couple weeks at least if you want to fully “bond” with it. As for the upper register, try not to change anything about your playing to play higher except for blowing faster. It may seem a little harder on the 3C for now but I think you’ll find it’ll train your chops and in a couple weeks’ time you’ll be right where you were on the 7C. Best of luck!
Hi I just bought a new trumpet, I got 7c in the package but my lips are not fit as I guess, I am looking for a bigger mouth piece, what are their names please?
You might consider a Bach, Blessing, or Giardinelli 3C, or a Schilke or Yamaha 14.
Try a Bach 1C. Big difference over the 7C.
Can you tell me what brand and size is your first Megatone Mouthpiece?
The Megatone name is a property of the Bach company. I’ve played on two: a Megatone 3C for a couple years, and now for the past four years my main mouthpiece has been a very unusual Megatone 1-1/2A.
I normally play a Bach 1C. With big lips and a bad overbite, I like bigger mouthpieces. Would I be disapppointed with a bigger Schilke mouthpiece?
I’m in a similar boat to you, chop-wise. I play on a Schilke 20 fairly often, whereas a Bach 1C is about a Schilke 18. Both the 18 and 20 are great sizes, but anything larger makes the horn play out of tune with itself across octaves, as you probably heard in these demos.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass I received the Schilke 22 and really like it. In fact, I sold my Bach Mouthpieces (Size 1C, 10 & 3MV) to buy another Schilke. Maybe, I'll even buy a 24. Thanks, again!
The 22 is really nice it real slots well in all registers
Hey do you think a wedge mouthpiece would help a lot with my air?
I personally don’t believe in mouthpieces solving issues on their own. Wedge might be worth a try, but in the long run focus on doing breathing exercises.
I just switch from a 3c to a 6a4a schelki and I barpey can play on it, do it take time to be able to play on it or I just cant play on it?
I strongly advise against the Schilke 6A4A. The 3C is a very respectable, mid-sized mouthpiece: not too large or small. The 6A4A is ridiculously small and nearly impossible for most people to play on. Stick to your 3C and perhaps consider a Yamaha "Bobby Shew Jazz" mouthpiece.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass thxs and after practicing on the schelki 6a4a I'm starting to be able to play clear and good on it, but imma stick to my 3c for now and practice on my schelki until I can fully play on it, I will also try to get a Bobby shaw mouthpiece and try it out 👍🏾
Why did you leave Kid n Play?
@@Urtjjfjrjtk Lol, you act as though I’ve got a whole topiary on my head. Also I’m too white.
What do you think about gr mouthpieces?
I've never had the opportunity to try one, and I'm reluctant to shell out upwards of $200 on a mouthpiece not having had any time to try it.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass It's absolutely better to try one before buying. I knew a guy who bought a 62z before trying it and it was horribly small. Extremely well made and technically perfect, but it didn't work for him.
@@dylanjmedia715 Sheesh! Also, I don't know if GR makes mouthpieces with the specs I'm looking for. I'd need about a 67 in terms of ID but I also can't play shallow cups. Another reason why despite how high-quality GR mouthpieces are, I'm not ready to invest in one.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass Yeah, I've been using a 66 and it feels a little small. The price is absolutely scary though
@@dylanjmedia715 Just found this comment chain again and wanted to mention I love my GR 67M #1 Backbore! I took a gamble and it really outshone my previous commercial piece, the Bob Reeves 43C. One of these days I’ll film a review on the GR.
As a trombonist that plays a bass trombone with a 6 1/2AL, this is what I need to play this mellophone.
Are you mainly a tenor player? I'd die trying to use anything smaller than a 4G on bass.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass single trigger bass.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass 6 1/2AL sounds like a cursed setup on Bass Trombone, especially since I have seen bass trombonists rag on the 1 1/2G for being too small.
@@mr.starfish4965 haha, that’s what I was thinking!
Wow. And I thought my Schilke 15A4 had a pretty wide cup. I guess everything is relative.
Schilke 15-18 are great for the 1-1/2C or 1-1/4C player. 20 is a very fun mouthpiece well suited for the slightly braver of heart who play the Bach 1. As for the 22 or 24, well, it's lunacy. Unfortunately I could not keep the pitch center consistent enough on this mouthpiece, and wound up selling it to a trombonist.
What mouthpiece do you recommend for playing a solo?
The short answer is “the mouthpiece you feel most comfortable on flexibility and endurance wise.” Now, for many people, that’s somewhere in the 3C range. I will say that many orchestral soloists use larger mouthpieces, many using something like a 1-1/2C, but your own comfort is your priority. Playing solo literature is demanding and you have to play the mouthpiece that makes you feel secure, whether it’s a standard size or not. I get the best endurance and tone out of a Bach 1-1/2A, which because of the A cup is a very uncommon size, but that’s what works for me.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass thank youuu!!
Did you get your 1.5a custom made? Cause bach doesnt make them stock.
It wasn't my order, but I reckon somebody had it custom made. I got it used off of Ebay.
@@SamuelPlaysBrass that's quite interesting. What throat size is it? I currently use a yamaha 16E4(18 throat) and that's about the closest thing to a stock "1.5a" that I could find
Dang, 18 throat? That's pretty big! Whoever custom-ordered my 1.5A didn't mess with the throat specs and just left it as the default Megatone 26.
@@SamuelPlaysBrassThe large throat helps amplify the freeblowingness of the piece. (Legit cornet pieces like the wick 2 have a 14 throat which is insanely big). Also I dont know if the 16e4 has the same cup shape as the 1.5a (the 16e4 resembles more of a british cornet mouthpiece with a higher alpha angle creating a v cup). I usually play on a 1.5c 22/24 and I I only use the 16e4 when I'm called to play a cornet part, as the large throat and cup shape lets me create a cornet style sound on trumpet.
Does this mouthpiece take a lot of air?
Yes, it’s very important to “fill the aperture” with a broad airstream when playing this mouthpiece.
Я могу без подготовки-розигривания играть на шилке -только размера20и више.
Это очень странно. По моему опыту, размеры 20 и выше плохо взаимодействуют с инструментом и вызывают проблемы с высотой звука.
24D2D George Maher s mouthpiece.
Even deeper than the 24? Gosh... The 24 already feels far deeper than a C!
I have 2 of Schilke’s 20D2d one stock and one with a 22 throat as my primary mouthpiece… I find it comfortable… most say it akin to playing a opened soup can… epic.. started back in 10th grade… (late 80’s) and several pros walked me around several mouthpieces and was told I should stay there! I was that weirdo…
Any thoughts on the stock 20D2d? I'm considering one.
@@SamuelPlaysBrasspersonally I really love my 20D2D it’s got a very large sound and playing on it made me realize that my lips just need a massive mouthpiece, it ended up making me discover a problem I never knew I had.