Played 2h to get to menos, saw that i just played 2h to BEGIN the game, got jumped 5 times by a guys who launched big laser left the game never played again👍
You shouldn't need outside sources to play the game. Eclipse is not lazy for not looking at the trellos, it's called bad game design, and yes it is technically unplayable since there is not even a subtle tutorial in the actual game.
type soul and drama go together like pb&j And yes Eclipse never uses the trello or any outside resources while reviewing games. He's done this with a variety of game reviews calling out developers and the game for being terrible for new players, it's nothing new.
Fully agree with this comment except for one thing. Those videos weren’t game reviews. Those are just first impression videos. Eclipse almost never makes genuine game reviews, and whenever he does, you can tell because his title will say “game review”
@@DaStugemeh bad game design teaching people to play is essential both are opinions YES someone’s opinion can be the game is bad cause their was no tutorial or way to learn how to progress and they just leave opinions exist 🤦🏾♂️ right or wrong doesn’t matter it’s insane how people forgot that
It's true though! You can't expect people to join a game and immediately look up HOW TO PLAY THE GAME! That's a pretty damn big game design flaw, players are meant to learn the game as you go, either with a tutorial, a story or with small problems that have obvious solutions so the player can learn! Can you imagine a game like Zelda dropping you in and not telling you anything? Imagine having to look up how to play the game, obviously this is Roblox, and most players are used to these types of games, but not telling you how to play is actually really bad.
Yeah but the problem is Eclipse ONLY DID THE NO OUTSIDE SOURCE THING FOR TYPE SOULS, That man has been playing YBA for years and it also does not have a tutorial you need outside sources SO WHY DO IT FOR TYPE SOUL?
@@TheLeoGBAthat’s cause YBA tells you enough to start out and hooks you in with the base combat and such. Plus YBA is a lot easier to understand without a trello or wiki, you can find stuff out in game.
Key detail, Eclipse's video was not a review video, it was a first impression video. He regularly likes to make the clarification that unless it says review in the title, its not a review.
No no, eclipse doesn't use trellos and reviews games like actual games(roblox ain't it). Also out of discussion BUT if you play persona 4 you hear it everywhere and that's amazing
A closed community game requires outside sources other then roblox to even play in the first place, so those requiring outside sources of info is completely justifiable, as by playing you acknowledge you can and do use outside sources. An open game where anyone and everyone can join needing outside sources is an entirely different can of worms. And that's why TS sucks even more then even some of the lower-effort CC games.
SwiftDFG, some things that are worth noting is that Eclipse always plays games with no outside sources, he only does that if he's getting hooked into the gameplay, and in his previous videos, he said that "If one of my videos doesnt have "review" on its title, then it isn't an actual review, just sorta first impressions".
@@SwiftDFGhe like never does any actual game reviews because lots of people always ask him to review games just to insult them and say how bad they are
@@Ruinatioryeah that’s one of his primary sources of video content now lol. Eclipse welcomes those with open arms regardless of how problematic the games themselves are
0:50 he does it in most games because he says its stupid to be forced to use outside sources when they could've added some kind of tutorial or a guide to the game inside the game and he's right. i agree with him.
The reason eclipse doesn't use Trello's is because if he needs to google how to play without the game conveying it to you then it's just bad design point blank. Imagine playing Mario odyssey and using a guide, lowkey if you do that your dumb
3:40 when it was closed community information was hidden so you was in need to search NPC and info to get your final form "Bankai/Volt/Res" even "PartialRes/Schrift" only SR was having a prog that making sense so to get info it like playing Deepwoken, Rogue Lineage, Verdant Moon, Lore Game
i guess no one watched eclipse e video but he said he did a first impression that’s what he does some times he would put in the title if it was a review it was just his first impression of how the start of the game
tbh what ecplise said is true because when i played type soul i dropped it 10 minutes after because of how boring it is and i have no intention to come back like im not going to grind 300 mobs thats just lifeless
I’ll admit that type soul has its fun moments (sometimes particularly endgame), but it’s such an arduous task to get to that point. Progression is incredibly monotonous, and, at least in my previous experience (I haven’t played the revamped type soul), it gets even worse because progression becomes nonsensical and and unnecessarily difficult at times, and not in the skill based way. This is all if you actually make it past the fact that you absolutely need to use outside sources to effectively play the game. Your average Roblox anime game player can pass this hurdle because we are used to the trello/wiki grind. Eclipse is not a typical Roblox anime game player though. He’s more of a normal video game player in general. He recognizes this necessity of trello as bad game design, and he’s right. Us Roblox anime game players are just so desensitized to it that we always expect to have to rely on trellos to play the game even though that’s clearly bad game design. It would be good if more of us come to realize this huge common flaw and try to hold devs accountable, but I never see that happening sadly
You have to understand from an outsiders view of Roblox games, starting a experience up and playing it and having nothing explained then wondering around for an hour would be and instant refund or uninstall on any other game. Because most people outside of the Roblox bubble don't want to tread through mud for HOURS just to get to the fun part. since you know games should just be fun? That is how eclipse views Roblox games when he talks about them. (good chuck of "hardcore" mmos suffer from this same exact problem) If any of you want a more in depth explanation I recommend Josh Strife Hayes video "It Gets Better After 100 Hours...".
I think a good point is that Peroxide has a somewhat a tutorial but does not pull as many numbers as typesoul does, and those games are based on the same genre of anime and fighting system yet typesoul pulls way many more numbers than Peroxide atm, I dont discredit the time Peroxide used to be really popular tho i dont know the exact numbers for it tho
type soul is more addicting + parrying makes people feel like theyre skilled at a game this community doesnt like good games, they like addicting games that can feed their lust for adrenaline
Nice video and the topic eclipse was talking about was the same problem I faced. Before the rerealease I didn’t understand jack. The first 10 seconds of me being in the game was on a UA-cam tutorial, the game took forever to progress and I just ended up giving up (having to wait around 1 hour to rank up because there is a timer 💀). I replayed the game and got the things I wanted but the PvP is not something I enjoy doing.
I watched eclipse for pretty long time and he never uses a trello or any outside sources. He does reviews but only on games he got hooked onto and played through the entire game. Majority of his "reviews" are first impressions and many people mistake it for a review. I mean why bother continue playing if my first impressions is bad? Would you force yourself to continue playing a game you don't find fun? Basically his perspective is the perspective of a player not a reviewer. If you see his actual review videos most of the time he 100% the game or at least finishes the main part. The reason eclipse doesn't use outside sources is because he strongly believes that someone should be able to understand how to somewhat play the game without the help of outside sources. And I agree with him, having no tutorial doesn't make it a bad game but it is a problem. Someone should only need to look outside sources once they are hooked or progressed a decent amount. That is good game design. This is my opinion and I do disagree with some points Eclipse has but he also points that are somewhat valid. These type of things aren't black and white there is no right or wrong, some points are just better than others, while some points are equally good. Feel free to disagree with my opinion, I might change my opinion but who knows.
I watch a lot of games critique videos and tbf one of the first thing they talk about is how it treats new players and type souls is horrible, I played type souls and wallahi I didn't know what to do I had to beg players to know what to do, they just spawn you there and expect you to know how to lvl how to get powers or how to do anything
As a person who haven’t even gotten out of the starter area in type soul. I say eclipse video is true, i literally don’t play games like this. If the game can’t teach how to play then I don’t bother.
he does it for every single video its normal hes not in the wrong he does that to give the expierience as a new player with no prior knowledge. He really just gives a new view so you can tell.
Eclipse never uses Outside sources to play any game he review, beacause it it a bad game design, the game atleast should tell you how its plays, thats something basic, and if he its making a review of a game, he will do it like a new player than knows nothing
This shit's so funny when osyoku made his first video and eclipse started to make videos about osyoku i just Laughed My ass off and now sagee is there too💀
Eclipse always does that, as you stated yourself, he thinks forcing players to use wikis is bad game design. That being said, I understand the ''you didn't even play it'' argument, but like, he did open the game and try to play it, but the game never told him what to do, that's the issue Eclipse has with it and a lot of other roblox games nowadays and I do agree with him I agree, if he had used a trello after stating it's bad game design, it would've been a better video but there's not much to do, what's done is done, he had his reasons and it's not like anyone really disagrees with them
For the first time I entered type soul yesterday to find out why it's got like 50k ccu, Stayed 5 minutes, no probably less, before leaving and never touching the game ever again.
idk why roblox role playing trello games cant just have one button in the menu that just opens up all the info in-game, if you dont have a second monitor its mad annoying to hop back and forth between trellos, wikis, youtube guides, while you're just trying to do smth in the game. Sadly the same problem exists outside of roblox as well
Im still surprised people call it game review Eclipse already made a video stating that all the videos he makes are first impressions.And yes he doesn't use outside resources for every video he makes
I'm not a fan of playing a game with trello/wiki open up all the time just to figure out what to do or you will be 100% blinded with no direction. I'm surprised it wasn't any p#do accusations/mod abuse/racism this time.
There is a type of games that require a wiki or trello open like stardew valley or terraria, so saying it's bad because of it is just an incredibly common eclipse L.That is not what makes typesoul bad
@@pockettwo You can't progress a meaningful ammount in those games without having an internet tab opened.There are a lot of games whose main appeal is that they are not very begginer friendly and you need to document about how to do it.
Ngl I played type soul and I didn’t even know what to do the reason I played the game was cuz fadeunchanged so WHE I played it I was weirded out on how hard and annoying it was to progress in this game
I'm rollin with eclipse because bro I played the game just wanted to see what it was like I couldn't move and when I was I didn't know where the hell to go someone killed me and I tried fighting hollows shi was tragic
its a bad game for those random Joe who never play this type of game or watch bleach, they not gonna stay on that game for too long and they just gonna log off
dawg i watched bleach and i still had no idea what to do without a trello,which wasn't a problem to me because i played way too many games that need a trello,however the fact that you need a trello to even know how to do basic progression is bad game design,you aren't told how to get shikai,partial res or schirft,your not told what grade you can unlock those at,you aren't told you need to grip for grade 1+ to progress,tell me how that's good game design
i kinda get oskyuu's original point of eclipse not even trying to get at the very least to mid game then call the game bad, but shit spiraled into insanity after that eclipse usually doesn't like using outside sources but its not like he wouldn't use them, for his deepwoken review he used the wiki and at the end reviewed the game accordingly by subtracting from the score and deepwoken at the time of his review only had its lackluster tutorial that barely teaches you anything and a half-assed attempt at a quest to guide you to the freshie island that didn't even work most of the time (some friends told me they added a more hand holding stuff)
The difference is Deepwoken tried at the time, and is a way better game then type soul, I mean just look at type soul the whole progression relies on RNG after max lvl.
"No hub" is insane. But yeah this is how eclipse always does his reviews for CC type games he gets recommended to review. Is it an actual review of type soul? No. But its an honest criticism of how if it weren't for the trello makers or social media people wouldn't be talking about it or putting in the effort to play the game.
As a type soul fan needing a trello or guide to play a roblox anime game is normal at this point, it's also not a big problem either sense theres a trello, it's bad game design but it's a roblox game so it's not a real game.
Well as professional game designer and developer i can confirm that type whilst being is a bas game reason being its bas wait trash fame design (its fun and i like it but u cant deny to the facts)
I hope they take a moment and step back and realize how stupid it looks when you beefing over a roblox game, like I love these games man but its never that serious lmao
All type soul needs is like a basic rpg quest system. Literally just pop a message onto a corner that says "Kill X" and how many you need to kill. It is an issue I have with the game as a whole, it does keep shit vague for no real reason. For example bankai/res/volt prog. Sure there's the guy in KT(who you also wouldn't know about without looking it up) but even disregarding him, why do I have to keep track of how many things I've done or how many elites I've gripped? If this was put onto a quest bar, BOOM, instantly it's less miserable, you don't have to change a thing beyond adding that and the game is better for it. That being said, Eclipse is a youtuber who I watched a lil bit in the past and I'm not particularly fond of his style of content because a lot of it is rage bait. Like he'll find a game, good or not, go "It's bad" for clicks and then farm views off of the roblox kiddies who go and comment angrily underneath his vids. His reviews are... just eh? Like, yes, I agree with his overall point but as a whole it's kinda sour cuz it feels like he'd just call it bad anyway cuz it's popular.
Eclipse never uses trellos or wikis in games. He thinks that if you need it to play a game that it is bad game designe. Somthing he is right about btw.
the whole thing about grabbing the players attention will never be the gameplay cause the games early game is boring as hell but what grabs people is the fact its a bleach game, if you like bleach youll give it a shot
i genuinely don't understand type soul's hype,i prefer peroxide,besides the lack of updates,nearly everything is better,progression,tutorial,balancing,animations,models,community etc "Oh but type soul has better pvp there's no true stun!" My brother in christ unranked players are matched with gold 2 players,and try to fight hakuda at high ping,the pvp isn't better its essentially a gamble of your ping
one more thing i have to say is that mythic rarity was a mistake,because everyone expects it to be OP since its rare,then when it doesn't have a nuke(light full res) people think its bad,then its buffed,becomes unbalanced,and then nerfed,as the cycle repeats
what also is bad abt the game is the shikais bankais and volt and etc. to obtain they make getting ur abillities to hard for new players to get into only old players can pass those and the new ones that later on joined got their abilities by risking giving their accs to the old players to get past those which to me and alot of players prob eclipse if he got to that point is bad game design
I think we can all agree that the progression is the most boring and worst part of typesoul, heck it was so badly designed that they had to add a cooldown to leveling so that you couldn't become max level in like a hour
I don’t understand this drama between two monkey’s and a master is it the fault of osykuu for lighting the flames of war or is it the game fault for not telling the palyer what they should and should not do?
He didn’t call the game bad he said it has “bad game design” for not having a tutorial and he’s saying that for every game he didn’t mention anything else about the game because he couldn’t play it and eclipse used the title “type soul is bad” as a rage bait to get more views and comments to get more money which is ya know it’s whatever the man is getting his bag
Eclipse's video wasnt a review, if it was then oskyuu would be more in the right, but its a first impressions and it did not interest him in the slightest.
half of this video is just swift saying I DO UNDERSTAND THAT 100% BUT IDO THINK HE SHOULDVE GONE TO A TRELLO! not even hating here bro its a miracle how u manage to turn a 2 minute video into an 8 minute video
@@skell6134 hey dumbo they were talking about the game telling what you exactly what you need to do to rank up. Not having to look at the trellis to figure out you need to go to the hospital
Nah u gotta experience type soul early release theres not even a guide to getting bankai. No actually if u share Guide to getting bankai is bannable and progression is locked with timer so u need to wait 😂 rn it way better with re release but still shit in my opinion on the progression part
The fact that y’all even needed the Trello for anything more than seeing the rates for stuff and the specifics of how moved work just shows that u mfs agreeing with how the game “needs” a Trello to progress are drones.
I was thinking and realized that rell brothers are dumb (just joking) becuase if there is a copyright drama on onepiece games the first one going down is the one piece game
Idk how none of these creators have realized that they all have good points, and none of them can be disproven, meaning this whole drama is kinda pointless… 🤦♂️. Yes, developers need to provide info on how to play, but watching a tutorial is necessary if you want to try and get the best experience, and also you can’t judge a book by its cover. I just know the minute one of these creators has a “😮” moment this whole drama will go away.
Eclipse is basically saying Zelda breath of the wild is bad elden ring is bad open world world non linear progression games are bad. I don't understand why it's so hard for him to go on a trello look up a yt guide or do anything to find out. He plays yba which is just a braindead bandit beater so I don't expect much out of him tbh
Are YOU Still Playing Type Soul or yall off it now?
I’ont know, is the game good?
Never played it anyway I have it favorite but I'm hesitant
deepwoken on top
Played 2h to get to menos, saw that i just played 2h to BEGIN the game, got jumped 5 times by a guys who launched big laser left the game never played again👍
no game trash
I'll be real, as someone who studies game development at uni, not telling players what thay should do and what is needed is bad game design.
ECPLISE WAS RIGHT!!
@@i_existrandomlyI’m saying
This would be common sense if roblox players weren't terminally on the site, and played something other than gambling simulators.
Literally essential lol
so elden ring is bad?
You shouldn't need outside sources to play the game. Eclipse is not lazy for not looking at the trellos, it's called bad game design, and yes it is technically unplayable since there is not even a subtle tutorial in the actual game.
GPO, DEEPWOKEN, TYPE SOUL, Voxl, Almost every other Anime Game in roblox dont have a tutorial so all of those games are bad?
@@kakashiofdaleaf94 Deepwoken literally has a tutorial, and all of those other games you mentioned ARE bad. The fact you even brought up GPO is silly.
Gpo is kinda crazy considered its relatively simple to understand. When I first started I didnt even need a guide for that game. @kakashiofdaleaf94
@@JumperBloX The map is hella stupid, new players will need a guide to traverse it.
@@kakashiofdaleaf94yes all the games you bad, especially GPO
type soul and drama go together like pb&j
And yes Eclipse never uses the trello or any outside resources while reviewing games. He's done this with a variety of game reviews calling out developers and the game for being terrible for new players, it's nothing new.
He didnt call all games bad though
Fully agree with this comment except for one thing. Those videos weren’t game reviews. Those are just first impression videos. Eclipse almost never makes genuine game reviews, and whenever he does, you can tell because his title will say “game review”
@@maxchadius4042 Yeah I completely forgot about that, I remember him saying this in his response video to whatever his name was.
@@ty.shota23 no one said that
understandable
"NOO YOU SHOULD'VE PLAYED HOURS AND HOURS SO YOU COULD MAKE THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION!!!!"
fr lol 😭
fr 😭
Nah but forming an opinion and you barely played it is insane
@@DaStugemeh bad game design teaching people to play is essential both are opinions YES someone’s opinion can be the game is bad cause their was no tutorial or way to learn how to progress and they just leave opinions exist 🤦🏾♂️ right or wrong doesn’t matter it’s insane how people forgot that
@@ProphRod Bro the game is supposed to be difficult, if they handed everything to you that would have eliminated the initial concept
It's true though! You can't expect people to join a game and immediately look up HOW TO PLAY THE GAME! That's a pretty damn big game design flaw, players are meant to learn the game as you go, either with a tutorial, a story or with small problems that have obvious solutions so the player can learn! Can you imagine a game like Zelda dropping you in and not telling you anything? Imagine having to look up how to play the game, obviously this is Roblox, and most players are used to these types of games, but not telling you how to play is actually really bad.
Yeah but the problem is Eclipse ONLY DID THE NO OUTSIDE SOURCE THING FOR TYPE SOULS, That man has been playing YBA for years and it also does not have a tutorial you need outside sources SO WHY DO IT FOR TYPE SOUL?
@@kakashiofdaleaf94you do realize he’s quit yba right also he has used the no trello or guide thing for alot of his “reviews”
@@kakashiofdaleaf94 The fact that he did it for one game and not for the other doesn't change the fact that he has a point.
He doing it for every game what do you talking about?@@kakashiofdaleaf94
@@TheLeoGBAthat’s cause YBA tells you enough to start out and hooks you in with the base combat and such. Plus YBA is a lot easier to understand without a trello or wiki, you can find stuff out in game.
Key detail, Eclipse's video was not a review video, it was a first impression video. He regularly likes to make the clarification that unless it says review in the title, its not a review.
No no, eclipse doesn't use trellos and reviews games like actual games(roblox ain't it). Also out of discussion BUT if you play persona 4 you hear it everywhere and that's amazing
eclipse when he plays the most perfect, amazing, and flawless game ever, but it has a trello
@@DaKingKayden from what I understand, he hates trellos when they are a necessity and not an option
@@purplex4065 fairly certain eclipse is a troll, he gets money from angry people idk how people dont realise this
@@DaKingKaydenbro what
@@DaKingKaydena flawless game doesn’t have bad progression and the need to look at a fucking trello in the first place to progress
A closed community game requires outside sources other then roblox to even play in the first place, so those requiring outside sources of info is completely justifiable, as by playing you acknowledge you can and do use outside sources.
An open game where anyone and everyone can join needing outside sources is an entirely different can of worms. And that's why TS sucks even more then even some of the lower-effort CC games.
completly agree. Type soul pretends to be a CC game when it isnt and thats what makes it unplayable for new players.
Yeah this guy here gets it, it’s okay when it is just for a small group. NOT for a public game, these devs just be delusional.
crazy to see grown ass men arguing if a roblox game is fun
roblox game yeah but some roblox anime games damn near rival double A games
They are all just trying to make as much money as they can, and Eclipse clearly states this. It's nothing new. UA-camrs do this all the time.
Eclipse does trying to do a real games videos but mostly they doesnt succes
This roblox games literally rivals Triple A games in terms of total player count, its crazy
Eclipse said in his video that the only reason he made another vid is bc it'll get clicks, i mean at least he is honest 💀
SwiftDFG, some things that are worth noting is that Eclipse always plays games with no outside sources, he only does that if he's getting hooked into the gameplay, and in his previous videos, he said that "If one of my videos doesnt have "review" on its title, then it isn't an actual review, just sorta first impressions".
W context
@@SwiftDFGhe like never does any actual game reviews because lots of people always ask him to review games just to insult them and say how bad they are
@@Ruinatioryeah that’s one of his primary sources of video content now lol. Eclipse welcomes those with open arms regardless of how problematic the games themselves are
"No hub" is insane
0:50 he does it in most games because he says its stupid to be forced to use outside sources when they could've added some kind of tutorial or a guide to the game inside the game and he's right. i agree with him.
The reason eclipse doesn't use Trello's is because if he needs to google how to play without the game conveying it to you then it's just bad design point blank. Imagine playing Mario odyssey and using a guide, lowkey if you do that your dumb
I agree with eclipse we play games for fun and not for us to do some boring research
Eclipse could've made two reviews with and without a guide and made double the money smh
You know how the progression is, I’m not sure I want to play to the end game for a review
3:40 when it was closed community information was hidden so you was in need to search NPC and info to get your final form "Bankai/Volt/Res" even "PartialRes/Schrift" only SR was having a prog that making sense so to get info it like playing Deepwoken, Rogue Lineage, Verdant Moon, Lore Game
i guess no one watched eclipse e video but he said he did a first impression that’s what he does some times he would put in the title if it was a review it was just his first impression of how the start of the game
tbh what ecplise said is true because when i played type soul i dropped it 10 minutes after because of how boring it is and i have no intention to come back like im not going to grind 300 mobs thats just lifeless
I’ll admit that type soul has its fun moments (sometimes particularly endgame), but it’s such an arduous task to get to that point. Progression is incredibly monotonous, and, at least in my previous experience (I haven’t played the revamped type soul), it gets even worse because progression becomes nonsensical and and unnecessarily difficult at times, and not in the skill based way. This is all if you actually make it past the fact that you absolutely need to use outside sources to effectively play the game. Your average Roblox anime game player can pass this hurdle because we are used to the trello/wiki grind. Eclipse is not a typical Roblox anime game player though. He’s more of a normal video game player in general. He recognizes this necessity of trello as bad game design, and he’s right. Us Roblox anime game players are just so desensitized to it that we always expect to have to rely on trellos to play the game even though that’s clearly bad game design. It would be good if more of us come to realize this huge common flaw and try to hold devs accountable, but I never see that happening sadly
You have to understand from an outsiders view of Roblox games, starting a experience up and playing it and having nothing explained then wondering around for an hour would be and instant refund or uninstall on any other game. Because most people outside of the Roblox bubble don't want to tread through mud for HOURS just to get to the fun part. since you know games should just be fun? That is how eclipse views Roblox games when he talks about them. (good chuck of "hardcore" mmos suffer from this same exact problem) If any of you want a more in depth explanation I recommend Josh Strife Hayes video "It Gets Better After 100 Hours...".
the whole drama was miscommunication but not on eclipse or sage part, sage even said it at caveman levels
oh this copyright finna hit
LMAOOO pls don’t do it I put “Cc corgi”🤬
Kendrick cole and drake and now eclipse sagee4 osykuu
eclipse is not kendrick no way, eclipse is a bit of an asshole
way less less of a climatic arguement
Eclipse was right, i don't know how this became an argument. You need to be a special sort of human being to say otherwise, its not even up to debate.
I think a good point is that Peroxide has a somewhat a tutorial but does not pull as many numbers as typesoul does, and those games are based on the same genre of anime and fighting system yet typesoul pulls way many more numbers than Peroxide atm, I dont discredit the time Peroxide used to be really popular tho i dont know the exact numbers for it tho
type soul is more addicting + parrying makes people feel like theyre skilled at a game
this community doesnt like good games, they like addicting games that can feed their lust for adrenaline
I played the old style soul for like 3 hours, completely lost and quit. Then I came back with the rerelease and watched videos and what not .
I love the objective perspective on the matter
Nice video and the topic eclipse was talking about was the same problem I faced. Before the rerealease I didn’t understand jack. The first 10 seconds of me being in the game was on a UA-cam tutorial, the game took forever to progress and I just ended up giving up (having to wait around 1 hour to rank up because there is a timer 💀). I replayed the game and got the things I wanted but the PvP is not something I enjoy doing.
people's only reason that peroxide is worse is the PVP yet people get paired with gold 3 users when they are at unranked
@@randomguyonyt1183 I agree I like peroxide more and wished that it would still update but type soul community just pushed through.
I watched eclipse for pretty long time and he never uses a trello or any outside sources. He does reviews but only on games he got hooked onto and played through the entire game. Majority of his "reviews" are first impressions and many people mistake it for a review. I mean why bother continue playing if my first impressions is bad? Would you force yourself to continue playing a game you don't find fun? Basically his perspective is the perspective of a player not a reviewer. If you see his actual review videos most of the time he 100% the game or at least finishes the main part.
The reason eclipse doesn't use outside sources is because he strongly believes that someone should be able to understand how to somewhat play the game without the help of outside sources. And I agree with him, having no tutorial doesn't make it a bad game but it is a problem. Someone should only need to look outside sources once they are hooked or progressed a decent amount. That is good game design. This is my opinion and I do disagree with some points Eclipse has but he also points that are somewhat valid. These type of things aren't black and white there is no right or wrong, some points are just better than others, while some points are equally good.
Feel free to disagree with my opinion, I might change my opinion but who knows.
I watch a lot of games critique videos and tbf one of the first thing they talk about is how it treats new players and type souls is horrible, I played type souls and wallahi I didn't know what to do I had to beg players to know what to do, they just spawn you there and expect you to know how to lvl how to get powers or how to do anything
This is a really good video, thank you for explaining the problems and your opinions.
Everyone out trying to get a piece of the pie 😂
He’s lowkey right I only started playing type soul because it was popular I felt I needed to play it
love the vid so far swift
As a person who haven’t even gotten out of the starter area in type soul. I say eclipse video is true, i literally don’t play games like this. If the game can’t teach how to play then I don’t bother.
he does it for every single video its normal hes not in the wrong he does that to give the expierience as a new player with no prior knowledge. He really just gives a new view so you can tell.
Eclipse never uses Outside sources to play any game he review, beacause it it a bad game design, the game atleast should tell you how its plays, thats something basic, and if he its making a review of a game, he will do it like a new player than knows nothing
This shit's so funny when osyoku made his first video and eclipse started to make videos about osyoku i just Laughed My ass off and now sagee is there too💀
roblox developers be normal challenge (impossible edition)
Eclipse always does that, as you stated yourself, he thinks forcing players to use wikis is bad game design. That being said, I understand the ''you didn't even play it'' argument, but like, he did open the game and try to play it, but the game never told him what to do, that's the issue Eclipse has with it and a lot of other roblox games nowadays and I do agree with him
I agree, if he had used a trello after stating it's bad game design, it would've been a better video but there's not much to do, what's done is done, he had his reasons and it's not like anyone really disagrees with them
For the first time I entered type soul yesterday to find out why it's got like 50k ccu, Stayed 5 minutes, no probably less, before leaving and never touching the game ever again.
General rule of thumb; if you have to use an outside guide, the game design is ass
idk why roblox role playing trello games cant just have one button in the menu that just opens up all the info in-game, if you dont have a second monitor its mad annoying to hop back and forth between trellos, wikis, youtube guides, while you're just trying to do smth in the game. Sadly the same problem exists outside of roblox as well
One of my friend started playing a while ago and stopped playing because of this same issue
Im still surprised people call it game review
Eclipse already made a video stating that all the videos he makes are first impressions.And yes he doesn't use outside resources for every video he makes
I'm not a fan of playing a game with trello/wiki open up all the time just to figure out what to do or you will be 100% blinded with no direction.
I'm surprised it wasn't any p#do accusations/mod abuse/racism this time.
There is a type of games that require a wiki or trello open like stardew valley or terraria, so saying it's bad because of it is just an incredibly common eclipse L.That is not what makes typesoul bad
you can progress for a while in those games without needing to look up a single thing
@@pockettwo You can't progress a meaningful ammount in those games without having an internet tab opened.There are a lot of games whose main appeal is that they are not very begginer friendly and you need to document about how to do it.
Ngl I played type soul and I didn’t even know what to do the reason I played the game was cuz fadeunchanged so WHE I played it I was weirded out on how hard and annoying it was to progress in this game
I'm rollin with eclipse because bro I played the game just wanted to see what it was like I couldn't move and when I was I didn't know where the hell to go someone killed me and I tried fighting hollows shi was tragic
its a bad game for those random Joe who never play this type of game or watch bleach, they not gonna stay on that game for too long and they just gonna log off
dawg i watched bleach and i still had no idea what to do without a trello,which wasn't a problem to me because i played way too many games that need a trello,however the fact that you need a trello to even know how to do basic progression is bad game design,you aren't told how to get shikai,partial res or schirft,your not told what grade you can unlock those at,you aren't told you need to grip for grade 1+ to progress,tell me how that's good game design
i kinda get oskyuu's original point of eclipse not even trying to get at the very least to mid game then call the game bad, but shit spiraled into insanity after that
eclipse usually doesn't like using outside sources but its not like he wouldn't use them, for his deepwoken review he used the wiki and at the end reviewed the game accordingly by subtracting from the score and deepwoken at the time of his review only had its lackluster tutorial that barely teaches you anything and a half-assed attempt at a quest to guide you to the freshie island that didn't even work most of the time (some friends told me they added a more hand holding stuff)
The difference is Deepwoken tried at the time, and is a way better game then type soul, I mean just look at type soul the whole progression relies on RNG after max lvl.
eclipse always never uses outside sources, it's more fair to judge the game that way.
"No hub" is insane. But yeah this is how eclipse always does his reviews for CC type games he gets recommended to review. Is it an actual review of type soul? No. But its an honest criticism of how if it weren't for the trello makers or social media people wouldn't be talking about it or putting in the effort to play the game.
WHERE YOU BEEN MR KARATE
@@SwiftDFG Working haha
Don't play this trash game tbh they can't even update weekly like they promised and their owner is on the balance team and he can't balance for shit
As a type soul fan needing a trello or guide to play a roblox anime game is normal at this point, it's also not a big problem either sense theres a trello, it's bad game design but it's a roblox game so it's not a real game.
Well as professional game designer and developer i can confirm that type whilst being is a bas game reason being its bas wait trash fame design (its fun and i like it but u cant deny to the facts)
I hope they take a moment and step back and realize how stupid it looks when you beefing over a roblox game, like I love these games man but its never that serious lmao
Eclipse was going for first impresion like everyother time.
All type soul needs is like a basic rpg quest system. Literally just pop a message onto a corner that says "Kill X" and how many you need to kill. It is an issue I have with the game as a whole, it does keep shit vague for no real reason. For example bankai/res/volt prog. Sure there's the guy in KT(who you also wouldn't know about without looking it up) but even disregarding him, why do I have to keep track of how many things I've done or how many elites I've gripped?
If this was put onto a quest bar, BOOM, instantly it's less miserable, you don't have to change a thing beyond adding that and the game is better for it.
That being said, Eclipse is a youtuber who I watched a lil bit in the past and I'm not particularly fond of his style of content because a lot of it is rage bait. Like he'll find a game, good or not, go "It's bad" for clicks and then farm views off of the roblox kiddies who go and comment angrily underneath his vids. His reviews are... just eh? Like, yes, I agree with his overall point but as a whole it's kinda sour cuz it feels like he'd just call it bad anyway cuz it's popular.
Eclipse never uses trellos or wikis in games. He thinks that if you need it to play a game that it is bad game designe. Somthing he is right about btw.
swift long time bro you got so popular
MY GOAT wsg bro
the whole thing about grabbing the players attention will never be the gameplay cause the games early game is boring as hell but what grabs people is the fact its a bleach game, if you like bleach youll give it a shot
It's not a Review, it's a first impression, its been established before
i genuinely don't understand type soul's hype,i prefer peroxide,besides the lack of updates,nearly everything is better,progression,tutorial,balancing,animations,models,community etc
"Oh but type soul has better pvp there's no true stun!"
My brother in christ unranked players are matched with gold 2 players,and try to fight hakuda at high ping,the pvp isn't better its essentially a gamble of your ping
one more thing i have to say is that mythic rarity was a mistake,because everyone expects it to be OP since its rare,then when it doesn't have a nuke(light full res) people think its bad,then its buffed,becomes unbalanced,and then nerfed,as the cycle repeats
1:00 thought u could sneak that in 💀
1:28 i mean, he's not wrong, you have to tell your players what there doing
what also is bad abt the game is the shikais bankais and volt and etc. to obtain they make getting ur abillities to hard for new players to get into only old players can pass those and the new ones that later on joined got their abilities by risking giving their accs to the old players to get past those which to me and alot of players prob eclipse if he got to that point is bad game design
Nahh icl i saw some type soul on tiktok i hoped on the game and i didnt know shit to do some kid killed me and i got pissed and left
if you need a guide for playing a game that is bad design (terraria)
😭😭😭 bro what is up with all this drama on a kids game
I'll be honest type soul is goated imo, I was addicted for a good 2 weeks and even got bankai and segunda
Swift with outside research how would you rate type soul?
I think we can all agree that the progression is the most boring and worst part of typesoul, heck it was so badly designed that they had to add a cooldown to leveling so that you couldn't become max level in like a hour
theres a difference between forcing exploration and just making a bad game with no direction. type souls is the latter.
Eclipse was literally just chillin how is he in drama 💀
we gonna have the drake dramma in robllox too 🔥
Type soul is just overall ass especially when it comes to the bankai, volstanding and resurrection
I don’t understand this drama between two monkey’s and a master is it the fault of osykuu for lighting the flames of war or is it the game fault for not telling the palyer what they should and should not do?
So Eclipse always believes that you shouldnt need outside sources to play games, and thats basically his main point
Eclipse vid was a first impression video not a reveiw, common mistake.
that why i stop playing type soul cuz even with trello i dont understand the game L game
"Begginer friendly" Brother 😭this game is still not the closest thing to beginner friendly.
W vid + drama
Tbh, not of them are wrong, this problem also aplies to Decaying Winter cuz of gatekeeping.
i mean eclipse is right, even if end game stuff is good, as a new player with zero prior knowledge how would you even go about getting to end game.
He didn’t call the game bad he said it has “bad game design” for not having a tutorial and he’s saying that for every game he didn’t mention anything else about the game because he couldn’t play it and eclipse used the title “type soul is bad” as a rage bait to get more views and comments to get more money which is ya know it’s whatever the man is getting his bag
Eclipse's video wasnt a review, if it was then oskyuu would be more in the right, but its a first impressions and it did not interest him in the slightest.
All this for a game that aint even that good (dont tag agz)
And all of this shit ended up in the diss battle 😭 this drama is a fucking joke
Eclipse is right however I feel like he needs to take initiative and learn the game by himself to properly judge the game on all aspects
half of this video is just swift saying I DO UNDERSTAND THAT 100% BUT IDO THINK HE SHOULDVE GONE TO A TRELLO! not even hating here bro its a miracle how u manage to turn a 2 minute video into an 8 minute video
Inner spirit tells you bankai requirements if you annoy his ass by trying to speak to it alot
That’s only after you get to elite grade
@@Coolgiy67 As if you will go for bankai without elite grade
@@skell6134 hey dumbo they were talking about the game telling what you exactly what you need to do to rank up. Not having to look at the trellis to figure out you need to go to the hospital
Nah u gotta experience type soul early release theres not even a guide to getting bankai. No actually if u share Guide to getting bankai is bannable and progression is locked with timer so u need to wait 😂 rn it way better with re release but still shit in my opinion on the progression part
@@Coolgiy67 you need to be elite grade for bankai?
Not gonna say it's bad because they don't tell you what to do but that's definitely a major flaw .
Ngl eclipse could rlly farm some views with this whole drama
The fact that y’all even needed the Trello for anything more than seeing the rates for stuff and the specifics of how moved work just shows that u mfs agreeing with how the game “needs” a Trello to progress are drones.
diss tracking on roblox drama is so cringe
I was thinking and realized that rell brothers are dumb (just joking) becuase if there is a copyright drama on onepiece games the first one going down is the one piece game
Idk how none of these creators have realized that they all have good points, and none of them can be disproven, meaning this whole drama is kinda pointless… 🤦♂️. Yes, developers need to provide info on how to play, but watching a tutorial is necessary if you want to try and get the best experience, and also you can’t judge a book by its cover. I just know the minute one of these creators has a “😮” moment this whole drama will go away.
Eclipse is basically saying Zelda breath of the wild is bad elden ring is bad open world world non linear progression games are bad. I don't understand why it's so hard for him to go on a trello look up a yt guide or do anything to find out. He plays yba which is just a braindead bandit beater so I don't expect much out of him tbh