Divine Men in Antiquity

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  • Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
  • Jesus of Nazareth was hardly the only person in the ancient world who was said to be son of God (or a god), to perform miracles, and to have ascended into heaven. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will review the lives figures including Apollonius of Tyana, Alexander of Abonoteichus, Pythagoras, and others and consider the implications for how the earliest Christians may have understood Jesus as divine.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 45

  • @amysutherland2242
    @amysutherland2242 Рік тому +27

    Thank you so very much for taking the time to prepare and present these lectures.

  • @portville1979
    @portville1979 5 місяців тому +1

    Love John Hamer's videos.

  • @VSP4591
    @VSP4591 Рік тому +7

    Again, a briliant dissertation. Clear, concise and structured. Thank you John. You are giving so much to us. Again God Bless You.

    • @williamnutile2929
      @williamnutile2929 Рік тому

      ​@@ghtbbfarts is a part of a hole. Wholey holes are not Holy. Opinions and farts.odious .
      Accept all as opinion without
      Odious is folly.,.
      It is a wise man who rules the stars and a fool who is ruled by them

  • @markangelagirard9944
    @markangelagirard9944 Рік тому +3

    This is my favorite youtube channel. Brings me back to my undergad days at UBC.

  • @bonerici
    @bonerici Рік тому +4

    One of your most ambitious lectures. Thank you pastor John

  • @darksaurian6410
    @darksaurian6410 11 місяців тому +3

    It's like if I sent a copy of myself to read a thousand books and reason through all the nagging questions and filter it back at me in 90 minutes. This and History with Cy are my top 2 you tube favorites.

    • @RelivingHistory1
      @RelivingHistory1 6 місяців тому

      Omg I just left a comment on cys newest video a few hours ago. Now I'm here and I see this comment. Is this a sign?? 😂

  • @JohnFBurrows
    @JohnFBurrows Рік тому +7

    Fantastic lectures- thank you

  • @annwood6812
    @annwood6812 Рік тому +1

    Great context! I'm going to listen once more so I don't miss one thing.

  • @eldraque4556
    @eldraque4556 Рік тому +3

    excellent, thank you

  • @26beegee
    @26beegee 5 місяців тому +2

    John, You are an amazing historian in that you are such a good story teller. You make ancient history feel like it was just yesterday. Which leads me to wonder how it is you are still a believer? History and faith seem to be in such contradiction I don’t know how you,reconcile the two. Next to the hiddenness of God it was history that made it impossible,for me to continue to be a believer. How do you do it? (Not sarcastically asking but in honest curiosity.) Cognitive dissonance just wouldn’t allow me to do what you seem to manage with little conflict.

  • @mestermiska
    @mestermiska 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  6 місяців тому

      Thank you for supporting the channel!

  • @cae02
    @cae02 Рік тому +1

    Love the lectures

  • @cariboubearmalachy1174
    @cariboubearmalachy1174 Рік тому +2

    I've been really enjoying these lectures for the past several years but why oh why is it so hard to search for them on UA-cam? When I go on the Centre Place page, under Videos, I only see choir parts. Then the Centre Place Lectures playlist isn't sorted chronologically, so I can't use it to to find the latest lecture. I'm subscribed, so new lectures appear in my feed from time to time, but there's no way for me to find any videos I might have missed.

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname Рік тому +1

      Look under live rather than videos.

    • @cariboubearmalachy1174
      @cariboubearmalachy1174 Рік тому +1

      ​@@angelawossnameThanks! That helps!

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname Рік тому

      @cariboubearmalachy1174 no dramas, I still forget to search under "live" sometimes. It took me ages to figure out. You should also be able to see upcoming lectures under "live" and turn on notifications for them.

  • @terriwake-ox8eg
    @terriwake-ox8eg Рік тому +1

    Please do a history of Jewish participation in ancient Egypt.

    • @Lewis0615
      @Lewis0615 11 місяців тому

      Great idea. A lecture on how each tradition impacted each other would be interesting.

    • @zipperpillow
      @zipperpillow 5 місяців тому

      Short lecture. They didn't do anything in ancient Egypt.

  • @biln2
    @biln2 Рік тому +2

    you have the best (most scholarly) lectures on the internet. i'm talking A augmented across the board, with the occasional typo. that said, the critical analyses seem to stop short when it comes to that idea that the first amendment is somehow codified in Christianity and that whatever political ideologies beg recognition in US politics somehow is miscible with any Christian doctrine of celibacy, modesty, and temperance. if the doctrine requires curtains and whispering and hushing, guarded by pride, it's not a parable we heard from Christ nor has any sect since that time holding such things divination permitted to pass on their dismal lineage. you're right that 1 Tim's rejection of women leadership undermines, further, its disingenuous claims of authentic expression of Christian doctrine. 2 Tim 2:15 commends you and banishes any further shaming. the most Christian line in Shakespeare is “get thee to a nunnery!” that’s a call for celibacy rather than political entanglements. even Polonius’s inept counsel had admitted that much. there is no first amendment on this planet if a bunch of disparate letters can be put together and said to represent the teachings of Christ. if we’re gonna help anyone get closer to God or suggest anything about godliness, we ought to help them and not resort to any solutions short of the soundest, most-authentic doctrines.

  • @juvegirlbe
    @juvegirlbe Рік тому +1

    did I do something wrong? It's out of synch for me. Great lecture!

    • @ghtbb
      @ghtbb Рік тому

      Nah its just a basement dweller that doesn't understand human history and wants to sound smart.

  • @blazinchalice
    @blazinchalice Рік тому +1

    Hit that like button, friends

  • @Dominic-mm6yf
    @Dominic-mm6yf Рік тому

    Fascinating talk,was St Mark originally a scribe employed by the illiterate St Peter?

  • @noahbody9747
    @noahbody9747 Рік тому

    2nd video where the audio and video is way out of sync. Audio kicks in 16 seconds after video.

    • @FireEverLiving
      @FireEverLiving Рік тому

      It's a problem with UA-cam's process of re-encoding videos, I think. The last video fixed itself after a few days.

  • @Grey-Elder
    @Grey-Elder 7 місяців тому

    How would one define god in a sentence?

    • @centre-place
      @centre-place  7 місяців тому

      Can you define things like music, art, love, beauty, perfection, goodness, among others, in one sentence?

    • @zipperpillow
      @zipperpillow 5 місяців тому

      I can do it in one word. Fake.

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 Рік тому +1

    “Pumpkinification” 😂
    Does it relate to Californication?

  • @Stadtpark90
    @Stadtpark90 Рік тому

    41:19

  • @frederickzorn3542
    @frederickzorn3542 Рік тому +2

    It sounds like Mathew is fake good news.

  • @jimmyjames7941
    @jimmyjames7941 Рік тому

    If you don't have a historical Jesus and what he has done is the sine qua non of Christianity and devoid of that you have squat- no salvation and no hope! His life IS a historical claim and not merely theological

  • @deborahdean8867
    @deborahdean8867 Рік тому

    He drags his talk on and on, speaking very, very slowly.

  • @crossman3940
    @crossman3940 Рік тому

    A million ways to say its a load of crap

  • @tctc440
    @tctc440 Рік тому +4

    Another Awesome Presentation !!! Thank You
    I don't think I ever became Enamoured with Jesus the Christ because of his MIRACLES.
    The 1st Time I heard Sermon on the Mount I asked - Who is that man ???
    I sincerely believe his Disciples were All DOUBTING THOMASes.
    Philip asks Show us the Father ...
    For some Unknown Reason they had their Doubts.
    Amazingly PAUL was the One with No Doubts lol
    My Favorite Gospel is JOHN. Seems more down to earth or forthright or understandable. John seems to have had a Personal Relation with Jesus.
    Thanks Again

  • @Kid_Ikaris
    @Kid_Ikaris Рік тому +1

    I was listening to whoever the mad pastor who wrote the Passion Translation of the Bible. And he completely messes up a Star Wars reference during a sermon.
    This gentleman on the other hand uses Grogu as an eloquent way to illustrate his point.
    These are the scholars you are looking for 🫳