Apparently, "it's not that the amount of data collected in Threads is any more than on Facebook/instagram/watsapp or stored in a less secure way, but to do with the way Met aggregates the data from the different platforms that's causing regulatory problems."
My issue is that untill they integrate ActivityPub, it is just Twitter 2.0, just moving us, sheeps, from one field to another, just yet another location in our digital prison
Instagram did a thing a couple years ago where they hid the likes on everything, but you could still see who liked things. They said it was a way to keep anxiety down, whatever that means. So they probably are doing the same on threads
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M " No, it doesn't. But, ok if you say so. Lmfao." Roman numerals, hexadecimal, etc. Your constrained frame of reference is showing. "Let's say someone use the amount of likes they get on their comment as a way that somehow indicates that they're right" Like a poll, your describing a poll. There's a point where disliking the idea of social medias negatives robs you of the ability to recognize real things that exist and how humans behave.
we actually knew about threads from its inception. meta’s town halls are leaked all the time in articles and around the time elon bought twitter an engineer pitched making a twitter competitor that’s integrated into instagram
Yeah, I took a "Ruby on Rails" programming course and one of our first assignments was to literally make a Twitter clone. The security portion was actually the hardest part of the assignment than actually making a functional Twitter.
To be fair, the hardest part of creating a social media platform wouldn't be CORS or hashing with salts. It would be scaling. If you want to make it centralized with millions of users and an ad-based business model, you're ABSOLUTELY gonna have to implement (and pay for) stuff like cloud servers, object storage (like Ceph, Ozone or S3), background jobs (like Sidekiq or JobRunr), Elasticsearch, "big data" distributed databases (like Hadoop/Hive or BigQuery), distributed event databases (like Kafka) (yes, people use multiple databases), distributed cache databases (like Redis or Memcached) (yes), monitoring (like Prometheus or Grafana)... all of the boring stuff. Twitter staff have written about this, most recently on "Processing billions of events in real time at Twitter", and previously on "The Infrastructure Behind Twitter: Scale", among other posts on their blog.
As has been said, optimising your searching, distributing databases and all the scaling stuff is hard work but it's not like Meta doesn't know how to handle all that - and they do it with a lot more data than Twitter ever has. The actual Twitter platform is as basic as any other social media platform, you just need money and engineers to make it bigger
@@xerzy I mean, it deffo got a lot easier and when you got billions to throw at the problem and you already have your own DCs/infrastructure that contain technology required for a message feed that scales to billions of users(Facebook, Whatsapp), your own CDN for image and video that actually works(instagram, Facebook), business tools for advertisers, core code infrastructure for login, etc. ... Also I'm missing Cockroach in your list. IMHO probably one of the coolest scale-out DB tech of the past few years.
@@IzzyIkigai Hm, I ignored Cockroach all along, probably because of its licensing. But I guess the hype might be legitimate if you don't care about that.
You can say that for any website. Any website is easy to make. However, having that website be available to millions of people concurrently is the hard part. A middle schooler can make a power generator with a hand crank, a coil, and Faraday’s Law of Induction. That doesn’t mean that making a power grid is this easy task because your hand crank generator was easy to build.
the other thing about non-compete clauses is that depending on where you are in the world they can be un-enforceable, my understanding (as a developer, not a lawyer) is that here in Australia it is very easy to accidentally write an un-enforceable non-compete clause for example "Employers may not impose unreasonable limits that unreasonably limit an employee’s ability to earn a living". Its always worth double checking the wording of your employment contracts with a professional, often companies will put some really scary sounding things in them, without any ability to back it up, but that depends heavily on region
Yep, same here in NZ. There can be non-compete clauses but they can't be much more than "can't work with the same clients at a direct competitor within 12 months" - like if I'm in sales and I move to a competitor I can't immediately call up my old clients and get them to move. I've had one dismissed before, it was basically "can't work in any company related to this industry in any way, in any role, within this region for 12 months" which was obviously never gonna work. And, obviously, even the enforceable ones are garbage since a colleague could freely contact my former clients themselves regardless of whether I gave them the contact info or not (which I did). as for software, it's even harder to enforce
Even in the US there's certain states where non-compete clauses are unenforceable like California, but most states do allow them. Thankfully, the FTC is proposing a TOTAL ban on them since non-compete clauses are completely immoral and unfair to the employee. What Musk did is a perfect example of why they're so insanely stupid, he fired a big chunk of his employees with no notice, made fun of them on twitter for being fired while sarcastically daring other companies to hire them, and then when they found jobs he tried to coerce their new employers into firing them because "non-compete clause bro"... If the FTC actually has balls and pushes these new changes we can obviously expect to see tweets from trust fund baby Musk crying about how "vital" non-competes are to the industry, and especially his need to be a cunt to everyone that isn't licking his ball sack.
Lack of a web interface is what's keeping me off Threads. Downloading an application just feels too invasive to me. I don't want it on my phone. Maybe it's because I'm old and miss the old days of normal forums though.
This is part of a larger problem I have with absolutely everything being Cloud now days. Even things that make sense to be local. Along with my... um... general aversion to Apps. Most things that are App specific are just a client pulling from a web database and arranging it in a pleasing form. It takes a lot less effort to build a webpage and maintain it that than an App, so why App only? Well, it's because I'm the product, even if I'm paying them a fee. Security sharing isn't specific enough for most people to turn everything off that that App doesn't need so they're collecting data off me from the App. Which infuriates me. Sorry. Rant. I'm just tired of this new Web. :(
I wasn't even around for the pre-social media internet and I still prefer forums, I've found that social media platforms just have inherently more issues with spam and low effort content.
As a Zoomer, I hate app only products too. I want shit to be on PC. I don't have twitter and I was never gonna use threads, (and I couldnt even if I wanted to cause im in EU), but the fact that its not on desktop makes me extra not gonna use it ever.
The first thing I thought when I heard that Musk has acquired Twitter was what he's gonna screw up first considering he has never had any experience with running social media. I guess the right question would be what the competition was gonna do...
Honestly, the fact that Musk screwed-up so badly, that people actually signed-up for Thread, is a testament on how low Elon's reputation is, and how bad Twitter is being run by him. Linus is right. Rate-limiting is literally what we call as "rolling blackout" and its soooooo embarassing. No Elon, its not really that funny when people saying that rate limit is to make people touch grass, and you are agreeing with them being like "Hello fella kid. Yes, I'm also in the joke."
To be fair, I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought that saying they "tweeted" something felt off in 2007. It might just be something that becomes normal if Threads sticks around.
I don't think you can call the censorship of Twitter or Meta as the choices of a private company when they were being told directly by government officials what content to censor.
Maybe it's a Canadian thing to miss these points due to how internet relays info but yeah... it's kinda uncanny how that point gets missed. Probably just an American and, yet again, politics thing though. I never used Twitter much; don't even have an account, but years ago I thought it was weird they would allow real, political figures on there. Of course crap would happen. I'd also try out Threads with a lot more interest if all government personnel/staff were not allowed to make accounts under their gov't stuff.
Government officials made requests that were basically just pointing the company toward accounts the officials thought were breaking the company’s TOS. Both the Trump and Biden campaigns made such requests. Both had some requests accepted and some denied.
You mean like how Twitter has censored tweets and banned users on behalf of the Saudi, Turkish, and Indian governments? You mean like that? Or are you still crying about the FBI saying "watch out for Russian bots"?
@@aliensinnoh1 Exactly, but the idiot is ignoring the part where Twitter actually banned users (who weren't even breaking their TOS) and censored posts because the Saudi, Turkish, and Indian governments told them to. Funny how all these fake "free-speech" morons all the sudden don't care about free speech when it's inconvenient to them. I've never met a "free speech absolutist" that actually cared about free speech... it's another "for the troops" virtue signal that means literally nothing.
I think Linus under estimates how many people like Elon. To me he is like Trump. A lot of people like him and a lot of people hate him with very few that are in between. Linus may be surrounded by a lot of people that don't like him and he assumes that is the norm.
Linus is just automatically biased against anything Elon is involved with. He draws attention to everything negative about Elon while ignoring and even supporting those who do the same negative things since well before Elon came on the scene.
I knew it was coming because every community using ActivityPub (which Meta allegedly will use to bridge with other social networks) was freaking out, lol
Let's be honest, Meta is only using ActivityPub to appear popular and will pull the ol' EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish) strategy to control that segment of social media.
@@monkev1199I don't understand that EEE argument. People said Mastodon was great cuz Elon couldn't buy it, but now somehow Zuck can? If they pull out of using ActivityPub, the Fediverse is gonna be the same as it is now, full of nerds and not much more.
You are dead on. They are rebadging active Instagram accounts as Threads users. Facebook and trustful numbers, have people not learned out of the debacle that was Facebook Videos.
What It is a completely separate download. I was ignoring it for awhile and just downloaded it today. Only about 1/3 of the people I actually know from Instragram are on threads right now. Mostly just all the big accounts I follow hopped on right away. Personally right now I don't see the point and still prefer Instagram
I'm convinced meta is leveraging their partnership with influencers to boost their app usage. All of the "influences" I follow are continuously posting about how their followers HAVE to go get threads.
I found it amusing how Linus misses the point of Instagram. It's a social media for photos and videos only. Text is almost irrelevant. Not that I'm defending Instagram, I really don't like it, but I can see the appeal
Fun fact! In California, it is actually illegal to enforce non-compete clauses in contracts. So, even if Meta did hire all of the ex-Twitter staff it wouldn't be illegal to do so and the ex-Twitter staff couldn't be penalized for it.
Also illegal to collude to NOT poach employees and drive down wages as Apple and Google did prior to 2014 resulting in a billion(s) dollar anti-trust lawsuit.
Well Insta was "better" because it WASN'T endless arguments and shit which was what FB and Twitter were turning into at the time. Instagram was...just pictures and that was nice.
The line between corporate and government censorship is a line of legality, but if you're talking about the morality of censorship it's significantly more complex than "well it's a private platform they can do what they want". Legally that's the case, and obviously there are some kinds of censorship that are deserved, there are types of speech that are outright illegal, like threats of bodily harm, but setting things like that aside for the moment censoring something that just isn't friendly to capital isn't all that different than government censorship. In both settings you're saying something that a powerful entity with massive resources that has power over your life doesn't like, and if you think that's hyperbolic look at how much money US corporations donate to politicians, and how likely policies you push for are to be enacted based on financial status. If there isn't a strong divide between capital and the capitol then we can't act like corporate censorship is good actually, especially when you guys acknowledge that "just build your own platform then 5head" isn't really a viable option because of the infrastructure cost, and need for money to flow in, it's a problem.
"Anything I can only access on my phone just doesn't exist to (sic) me": that's precisely how I feel!! I spend 10+ hours at a desk using my laptop & a 28 inch monitor. If I have to pick up my phone & stare at that tiny screen to do everything related to a product, I'm probably not using that product.
If the deactivation works the same way it does at my job, deactivation disables your ability to log in. This is useful if someone wants a temporary break, if the users data is hacked and they want to prevent people from logging into the account. Presume a deletion is full GDPR removal of the data that meta has stored. There is no way for the account to be recovered, you can recover deactivated accounts.
Decentralized kinda sucks. Mastodon is the foremost for westerners but Japanese (tons of heavy Twitter users) actually went for Misskey instead, probably because its japanese and what appeared first when you searched on Google, and you cannot find and follow each other that way. Nobody really wants a social media where you cannot find everyone you followed, let alone a social media that is still limiting sign-ups. That is why all the talks about "Twitter killer" is really more of where people are migrating to next. Also, Thread promised that it will be compatible with all these decentralized social media, so if you want something that will be decentralized (in the future), that is backed by actual global servers right now, Thread is shaping-up to be the biggest Twitter competitors.
The point of Twitter is to either trigger the libs or be a based lib. And shit on public figures you don't like. If the people you hate aren't on the platform there's no point in using it
20:04 I fully agree on the problem with having a friendly platform. And the part of "making a multiplayer game, one with a non-toxic user base, well I was with you up until you're gonna make a multiplayer game" is reasonable. (COD MW II's multiplayer)
I legit thought multiplayer games were getting better or "nicer" because I never hear hot mics. COD 2019, Cold war, Vanguard, slip gate, Halo don't remember them being bad... but MW2 2023.... I was called every slur in the book the first 30 secs in each match by a child.... It's like I got time warped back to 2007. People really don't change, and finally understood and appreciated good moderation.
The thing, that makes me laugh here is... People are leaving Twitter, because it turned into a garbage-evil-company and are moving to Threads, which is owned by Meta... ...i shall leave it standing as is. If you do not see the irony in this, then it cannot be helped.
this has me thinking that at one point in the future, owning your own pc/desktop will be the equivalent of a boomer going "my old 65 mustang runs better than all these new electric cars" in the sense that so many people from younger generations just default to using their mobile devices for everything and are more likely to go "why would I need a pc when my phone does the same thing" like yeah, it does the same thing, but you cannot tell me opening a pdf or spreadsheet is more enjoyable on a phone than it is a dedicated desktop with a monitor or even a 13 inch laptop at that. it's probably irrational as a fear, but thinking about how so many social platforms didn't even have a website version for the longest, I feel like that fear is somewhat valid, if I'm not mistaken, snapchat didn't have a website until a year or two ago
If anything Threads just presents the contrast to show Twitter as being a more complete app. Okay, Threads got a lot of users quickly; great. Now what? It’s lacking in every way.
My last straw with twitter is the new policy that caps the amount of tweets you can view. And within a few days Threads was released, the timing was perfect.
I won't be surprised if Meta actually rushed it before all its features are on-par with Twitter. Its the best launch window when Twitter was on what Linus called "a rolling blackout". Thread is not fully on-par with Twitter yet in terms of features but I don't think it is something that will take long to build. Probably only few months or even weeks.
@@CapsuleGraph11 It does not matter. Now, every time Twitter broke down, and it broke down quite alot nowadays, people assume its because of Elon implementing rate-limiting again, either to force people to buy Twitter Blue, or he may just want to dodge another expensive server bills. There are no press relations too because Elon fired all of them (and set auto-reply to poop emoji) so media is also forced to speculate just like the rest of us on what is happening again on Twitter, feeding into the frenzy. And those are the people that somehow heard or saw Elon's tweets. There are alot of people, particularly Japanese, that never really saw Elon's, or need to rely on Machine Translation to understand what Elon is saying (btw, the Google Translate also failed constantly recently). My Twitter is basically full of Japanese stuffs, and they were on fire.
Wasn't threads rate limiting literally same day it came out? i recall seeing people complain about it; and theyve already killed interest in it from many other countries, artist japan especially lmao.
I was JUST talking about this, PCs are going to go away, as the vast majority of us who grew up with computers are now part of a dying breed when everything is being accessed via apps and mobile devices. The fact that apps have no website presences much less those that have limited presence is growing only indicates the transition.
It's not popular as a "social media" site in the traditional sense. It hasn't been for some time. 2011-2013 may have been the last time it was. In the past 6 years it's been incredibly popular as a news platform.. Something like a centralized RSS feed with decentralized contributors.
@@MasonTaylor22 a news website isn’t worth $44 billion either. There’s 300 million active Twitter users. He spent $150 per Twitter account and now has to make that back.
Meta would have a much easier time making a Twitter competitor since they already have a lot of backend experience managing huge volumes of user input and output. Meta is an exception to the general difficulty of making a Twitter competitor.
Dude Threads is terrible right now. Its all large brands and almost no interaction. Not only that but the interface is just awful. Maybe one day it will be something but my money is it dying in a relatively short time
Threads is garbage and twitter is garbage. But it's crazily obvious that Linus is a twitter/musk hater. Not surprising from someone who thinks adblocking is piracy.
@@100c0c Well that's not what piracy is by definition. We can't just change the meaning of words whenever we like it. U can say it's kind of like piracy sure but not that it is piracy.
Good luck ever enforcing a "no politics" rule equally across the board. I've yet to see a rule like that not be misused, not in private chats, not in small forums or ircs, not in large platforms.
There is no line between advertiser friendly and censorship, because making something advertiser friendly is wholly within censorship. Likewise, trying to have a rule about not allowing politics doesn't work because every aspect of anyone's life has to do with politics. You can minimize it, you can't eliminate it.
The main point of using a social media, specially the social part, is the community. Tech is easily replace-able, if the people/group they really care about actually only use a specific platform, user can easily change their habbit for this.
20:23 It seems to maybe help though if you add a dedicated salute button that causes your character to both salute and say a catchy little inspirational/positive line to rally players together with... :P _Rock & Stone!_
Imagine wasting ridiculous truckloads of money spent over decades for PR just by running your mouth on something you were forced to buy by running your mouth.
On the topic of content moderation, Threads is working on Federating, which in short basically acts as a decentralized way of communicating with people between social media services. It's mainly used by Mastodon right now, but when they eventually integrate it into Threads and open it to federation with other Mastodon and other social media servers, how are they going to handle innapropriate content from other servers that aren't their own?
Personal opinion, but Facebook peaked around 2006. Its best use was as an easy hub to communicate with friends I don't see day to day. The features I want are a messenger hub (it's slightly more convenient and less formal than email), a relatively feature-rich photo album (Instagram has too many limitations, and true photo sites like Flickr are slightly too niche), and comments and likes. I didn't mind the Wall when it was just public notes to people, but I want to control what types of content can be posted to my wall, don't post articles to my wall.
@@battmarn It started getting big in 2005. But at the time it was limited to colleges and was little more than "here's all your friends, poke them and write on their wall." 2007 they let external developers add tons of apps, which everyone then added to their pages and it started tanking for me. 2009 was probably around when they opened it up to anyone and everyone.
Im calling it now, Mark Zuckerberg will announce on April 1st that he is going to start charging for official accounts on threads. It will be the greatest trolling/April fools of all time.
elon always took all the credit for every project he was listed on, eventually people realized he's on twitter all day and all night, and that's why he only sleeps for 4 hours a night; not because he is a self proclaimed genius with self diagnosed aspergers to compare himself to einstein... supporting moronic ideas like hyperloop/ underground roads/ tesla shingles/ marketing bs buzzword galore project, most others i know in technical fields agree that hes a monster of a hype man, but theres never public discussion on technicalities of topics. i just cannot believe nobody ever checked him on any of the decade+ of 10,000% efficiency bs and blatantly lying about time frames for stock value.
What's the difference between advertiser friendly and censorship? In terms of actions or policy, there is a distinction without a difference. In a capital friendly system, especially upon a privately owned and operated digital chatroom, anything that opposes the status quo for those who've already succeeded at accruing capital and their efforts to maintain that privileged position, will be censored or otherwise challenged by said entit(ies)y. Thusly, for most, its a difference of whose worldview is protected, irrelevant of "the truth" and what it may imply, and how many suffer/benefit from that. The real blackpill of this all is, simply, we'll willingly go along with it, and will even defend it when its challenged. The first Matrix film was so spot on with its observations of the ordinary person within the systems they exist within.
Even though I set youtube to send me notifications for all vids, I didn't get one for this. Is there a limit on how many notifications can be sent from 1 channel in x amount of time?
Using fluffy elephant (mastodon) on an instance I run for myself and pay for, it's the real winner, you can use it and just be happy. And eventually threads and tumblr will implement activitypub and be interoperable with other activitypub software like mastodon, misskey, pixelfed, etc. My social media future looking bright, I can always keep my social graph with me and I don't have to be stuck in corporate hell fueled by hate and negativity~
"My social media future looking bright". I hope it actually is, but I wouldn't bet on it. Do not underestimate humanity's infinite potential for malice.
@@randomdeliveryguy I'm honestly gobsmacked that people out there can be enthusiastic for social media of all things. Like, I don't bring people down for it, if that's what they like, that's what they like, but for me, I've always looked at social media negatively. A somewhat unavoidable evil at best.
@@habama1077 Depending on what instance you choose to join, Mastodon can feel way different to other social media. I thought it'd just be a better twitter, but its kinda become something different. I suspect part of it is being included in the community and thus having a voice on the decisions and rules etc.
13:00 That's the same way I feel about Google's war against ad-blockers. If they manage to clamp down and prevent people from watching more than 3 videos (per day? forever? 🤔), then I'll just stop watching YT altogether and have 10-20 hours of extra free time per day. 🤷 (I multi-task while watching videos, but still, not having 200-300 videos in my watch-later list all day long would make life easier and freer, like before I started watching YT 5 years ago 😒). Bring it on. 👍 24:24 Okay Luke. 👍 You hair looks nice today. Ha! There, this wasn't garbage. Suck it Linus! - Um… wait a second… 🤔
18:00 Facebook is based in California, and California has very few affordances for non-competes anyway. It's basically just client books and setting up a competitor after having sold your business.
Threads isn't even allowed in the EU, that's how bad the data collection is.
yes it is, i have it. atleast since today.
@@kaimojepaslt what a lucky human you are
@@mod3l "lucky"
There's nothing stoping you from downloading it through 3rd party stores of course.
Apparently, "it's not that the amount of data collected in Threads is any more than on Facebook/instagram/watsapp or stored in a less secure way, but to do with the way Met aggregates the data from the different platforms that's causing regulatory problems."
One MAJOR problem with Threads for me: inaccessible via desktop.
Mosseri already said that web portal is coming.
Ahh see I didn't know that. I hadn't tried to do that yet. I hope they fix that soon.
If you know someone's @handle, you can access their page on desktop. The main page, though, not yet
also not available in many many countries
My issue is that untill they integrate ActivityPub, it is just Twitter 2.0, just moving us, sheeps, from one field to another, just yet another location in our digital prison
Instagram did a thing a couple years ago where they hid the likes on everything, but you could still see who liked things. They said it was a way to keep anxiety down, whatever that means. So they probably are doing the same on threads
Yeah, the EU are discouraging it. There is some emerging evidence that like counters contribute to anxiety, depression, addiction and suicide
@@Optimise247'emerging', as in we're finally reaching the point this is objective truth and not just common sense.
@@Maskharat yes, because numbers have existed as long as humans have and definitely aren't a construct
I hope they put some kind of indicator for business tho, I imagine knowing the reception of posts from your company/business is pretty important.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M " No, it doesn't. But, ok if you say so. Lmfao."
Roman numerals, hexadecimal, etc. Your constrained frame of reference is showing.
"Let's say someone use the amount of likes they get on their comment as a way that somehow indicates that they're right"
Like a poll, your describing a poll. There's a point where disliking the idea of social medias negatives robs you of the ability to recognize real things that exist and how humans behave.
when linus hit the "i wish you the best of luck" that was the most "bless your heart" moment ive ever heard from this canadian.
we actually knew about threads from its inception. meta’s town halls are leaked all the time in articles and around the time elon bought twitter an engineer pitched making a twitter competitor that’s integrated into instagram
Yeah, cause they knew what kind of leadership to expect.
I figured that Mark Zuckerberg hyped up Threads in response to Discord taking the framework of Facebook and marketing it to a gen Z Audience.
in mastodon everyone knew that it would even federate with the fedi at some point
@@blogdesign7126Discord is WAY different than Facebook, they have almost opposed objectives
do you have the link of leaked townhall?
Can't wait to tell my circle about this on Google Plus
Yeah, I took a "Ruby on Rails" programming course and one of our first assignments was to literally make a Twitter clone. The security portion was actually the hardest part of the assignment than actually making a functional Twitter.
To be fair, the hardest part of creating a social media platform wouldn't be CORS or hashing with salts. It would be scaling. If you want to make it centralized with millions of users and an ad-based business model, you're ABSOLUTELY gonna have to implement (and pay for) stuff like cloud servers, object storage (like Ceph, Ozone or S3), background jobs (like Sidekiq or JobRunr), Elasticsearch, "big data" distributed databases (like Hadoop/Hive or BigQuery), distributed event databases (like Kafka) (yes, people use multiple databases), distributed cache databases (like Redis or Memcached) (yes), monitoring (like Prometheus or Grafana)... all of the boring stuff. Twitter staff have written about this, most recently on "Processing billions of events in real time at Twitter", and previously on "The Infrastructure Behind Twitter: Scale", among other posts on their blog.
As has been said, optimising your searching, distributing databases and all the scaling stuff is hard work but it's not like Meta doesn't know how to handle all that - and they do it with a lot more data than Twitter ever has.
The actual Twitter platform is as basic as any other social media platform, you just need money and engineers to make it bigger
@@xerzy I mean, it deffo got a lot easier and when you got billions to throw at the problem and you already have your own DCs/infrastructure that contain technology required for a message feed that scales to billions of users(Facebook, Whatsapp), your own CDN for image and video that actually works(instagram, Facebook), business tools for advertisers, core code infrastructure for login, etc. ...
Also I'm missing Cockroach in your list. IMHO probably one of the coolest scale-out DB tech of the past few years.
@@IzzyIkigai Hm, I ignored Cockroach all along, probably because of its licensing. But I guess the hype might be legitimate if you don't care about that.
You can say that for any website. Any website is easy to make. However, having that website be available to millions of people concurrently is the hard part. A middle schooler can make a power generator with a hand crank, a coil, and Faraday’s Law of Induction. That doesn’t mean that making a power grid is this easy task because your hand crank generator was easy to build.
the other thing about non-compete clauses is that depending on where you are in the world they can be un-enforceable, my understanding (as a developer, not a lawyer) is that here in Australia it is very easy to accidentally write an un-enforceable non-compete clause for example "Employers may not impose unreasonable limits that unreasonably limit an employee’s ability to earn a living". Its always worth double checking the wording of your employment contracts with a professional, often companies will put some really scary sounding things in them, without any ability to back it up, but that depends heavily on region
Yep, same here in NZ. There can be non-compete clauses but they can't be much more than "can't work with the same clients at a direct competitor within 12 months" - like if I'm in sales and I move to a competitor I can't immediately call up my old clients and get them to move.
I've had one dismissed before, it was basically "can't work in any company related to this industry in any way, in any role, within this region for 12 months" which was obviously never gonna work. And, obviously, even the enforceable ones are garbage since a colleague could freely contact my former clients themselves regardless of whether I gave them the contact info or not (which I did).
as for software, it's even harder to enforce
Even in the US there's certain states where non-compete clauses are unenforceable like California, but most states do allow them. Thankfully, the FTC is proposing a TOTAL ban on them since non-compete clauses are completely immoral and unfair to the employee. What Musk did is a perfect example of why they're so insanely stupid, he fired a big chunk of his employees with no notice, made fun of them on twitter for being fired while sarcastically daring other companies to hire them, and then when they found jobs he tried to coerce their new employers into firing them because "non-compete clause bro"...
If the FTC actually has balls and pushes these new changes we can obviously expect to see tweets from trust fund baby Musk crying about how "vital" non-competes are to the industry, and especially his need to be a cunt to everyone that isn't licking his ball sack.
Going off the idea that Thread replaces twitter, I don't see it being good that both "twitter" and facebook/Insta are under one company.
what is a facebook?
@@WhirlwindHeatAndFlashIt's an ancient name for the big and powerful company named META.
It's not, at all. Hence why I ain't really joining right now.
Desktop browser versions makes blocking advertising much easier.
Lack of a web interface is what's keeping me off Threads.
Downloading an application just feels too invasive to me. I don't want it on my phone.
Maybe it's because I'm old and miss the old days of normal forums though.
This is part of a larger problem I have with absolutely everything being Cloud now days. Even things that make sense to be local. Along with my... um... general aversion to Apps. Most things that are App specific are just a client pulling from a web database and arranging it in a pleasing form. It takes a lot less effort to build a webpage and maintain it that than an App, so why App only? Well, it's because I'm the product, even if I'm paying them a fee. Security sharing isn't specific enough for most people to turn everything off that that App doesn't need so they're collecting data off me from the App. Which infuriates me. Sorry. Rant. I'm just tired of this new Web. :(
I wasn't even around for the pre-social media internet and I still prefer forums, I've found that social media platforms just have inherently more issues with spam and low effort content.
As a Zoomer, I hate app only products too. I want shit to be on PC. I don't have twitter and I was never gonna use threads, (and I couldnt even if I wanted to cause im in EU), but the fact that its not on desktop makes me extra not gonna use it ever.
Exactly the app only trend is annoying af
The first thing I thought when I heard that Musk has acquired Twitter was what he's gonna screw up first considering he has never had any experience with running social media.
I guess the right question would be what the competition was gonna do...
No, musk has pretty obviously wrecked twitter as a whole lol
Honestly, the fact that Musk screwed-up so badly, that people actually signed-up for Thread, is a testament on how low Elon's reputation is, and how bad Twitter is being run by him. Linus is right. Rate-limiting is literally what we call as "rolling blackout" and its soooooo embarassing. No Elon, its not really that funny when people saying that rate limit is to make people touch grass, and you are agreeing with them being like "Hello fella kid. Yes, I'm also in the joke."
The thing is you don't need to do nothing just give the same interface, Twitter was good after the paywalled features.
That isn't why he failed at running it. He failed because his ego is massive and he won't listen to anyone who tells him he's wrong.
I wanna like this but the number of likes is too nice
Well, this aged well…
To be fair, I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought that saying they "tweeted" something felt off in 2007. It might just be something that becomes normal if Threads sticks around.
To be fair, if you grew up with forums and image boards the concept of posting in a thread is pretty well baked in.
I don't think you can call the censorship of Twitter or Meta as the choices of a private company when they were being told directly by government officials what content to censor.
Maybe it's a Canadian thing to miss these points due to how internet relays info but yeah... it's kinda uncanny how that point gets missed. Probably just an American and, yet again, politics thing though. I never used Twitter much; don't even have an account, but years ago I thought it was weird they would allow real, political figures on there. Of course crap would happen. I'd also try out Threads with a lot more interest if all government personnel/staff were not allowed to make accounts under their gov't stuff.
Government officials made requests that were basically just pointing the company toward accounts the officials thought were breaking the company’s TOS. Both the Trump and Biden campaigns made such requests. Both had some requests accepted and some denied.
You mean like how Twitter has censored tweets and banned users on behalf of the Saudi, Turkish, and Indian governments? You mean like that?
Or are you still crying about the FBI saying "watch out for Russian bots"?
@@aliensinnoh1 Exactly, but the idiot is ignoring the part where Twitter actually banned users (who weren't even breaking their TOS) and censored posts because the Saudi, Turkish, and Indian governments told them to.
Funny how all these fake "free-speech" morons all the sudden don't care about free speech when it's inconvenient to them. I've never met a "free speech absolutist" that actually cared about free speech... it's another "for the troops" virtue signal that means literally nothing.
I think Linus under estimates how many people like Elon. To me he is like Trump. A lot of people like him and a lot of people hate him with very few that are in between. Linus may be surrounded by a lot of people that don't like him and he assumes that is the norm.
Trump is funny though. Elon just sucks
That, and people who just dislike Zuckerberg more.
Linus is just automatically biased against anything Elon is involved with. He draws attention to everything negative about Elon while ignoring and even supporting those who do the same negative things since well before Elon came on the scene.
Exactly. Most of us love Elon
He's just a hater
I knew it was coming because every community using ActivityPub (which Meta allegedly will use to bridge with other social networks) was freaking out, lol
Let's be honest, Meta is only using ActivityPub to appear popular and will pull the ol' EEE (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish) strategy to control that segment of social media.
@@monkev1199I don't understand that EEE argument. People said Mastodon was great cuz Elon couldn't buy it, but now somehow Zuck can? If they pull out of using ActivityPub, the Fediverse is gonna be the same as it is now, full of nerds and not much more.
Forcing it into Instagram was the dumbest thing. No way numbers aren't inflated from that.
Of course they are inflated!
You are dead on. They are rebadging active Instagram accounts as Threads users.
Facebook and trustful numbers, have people not learned out of the debacle that was Facebook Videos.
What It is a completely separate download. I was ignoring it for awhile and just downloaded it today. Only about 1/3 of the people I actually know from Instragram are on threads right now. Mostly just all the big accounts I follow hopped on right away. Personally right now I don't see the point and still prefer Instagram
I bet you that was the intent, pump up the numbers so they can go "Look at our amazing launch!"
That means it’s smart, they inflated it intentionally
The energy of this Threads discussion is so different from the one in the Waveform podcast's and I find that really interesting
I'm convinced meta is leveraging their partnership with influencers to boost their app usage. All of the "influences" I follow are continuously posting about how their followers HAVE to go get threads.
You follow influencers? Ew
Oh to heck with influencers....
What this goes to show is that I feel like people do actually want a text based microblogging platform, twitter is just bad
Why bc it actually allows freedom of speech now?
…This didn’t age well
I hate when the mobile website tries to force you to the app.... Lile my Firefox mobile has ad block your shitty app doesn't.
Discord is the best social media application in existence, period.
Only flaw being it literally doesn't have any security built into it, and majority is owned by ccp thru tencent
I found it amusing how Linus misses the point of Instagram. It's a social media for photos and videos only. Text is almost irrelevant.
Not that I'm defending Instagram, I really don't like it, but I can see the appeal
Zuckerberg made a diarrhea sandwich, people are flocking to eat it, and Musk is just mad that he didn't get to add extra dookie sauce.
Fun fact! In California, it is actually illegal to enforce non-compete clauses in contracts. So, even if Meta did hire all of the ex-Twitter staff it wouldn't be illegal to do so and the ex-Twitter staff couldn't be penalized for it.
Also illegal to collude to NOT poach employees and drive down wages as Apple and Google did prior to 2014 resulting in a billion(s) dollar anti-trust lawsuit.
Well Insta was "better" because it WASN'T endless arguments and shit which was what FB and Twitter were turning into at the time. Instagram was...just pictures and that was nice.
"And anything I can only access on my phone just doesn't exist to me"
Literally me
Don't worry Linus, they don't need to have dinner with you either.
The line between corporate and government censorship is a line of legality, but if you're talking about the morality of censorship it's significantly more complex than "well it's a private platform they can do what they want". Legally that's the case, and obviously there are some kinds of censorship that are deserved, there are types of speech that are outright illegal, like threats of bodily harm, but setting things like that aside for the moment censoring something that just isn't friendly to capital isn't all that different than government censorship. In both settings you're saying something that a powerful entity with massive resources that has power over your life doesn't like, and if you think that's hyperbolic look at how much money US corporations donate to politicians, and how likely policies you push for are to be enacted based on financial status. If there isn't a strong divide between capital and the capitol then we can't act like corporate censorship is good actually, especially when you guys acknowledge that "just build your own platform then 5head" isn't really a viable option because of the infrastructure cost, and need for money to flow in, it's a problem.
"Anything I can only access on my phone just doesn't exist to (sic) me": that's precisely how I feel!! I spend 10+ hours at a desk using my laptop & a 28 inch monitor. If I have to pick up my phone & stare at that tiny screen to do everything related to a product, I'm probably not using that product.
Mentions rolling blackouts... me sitting in South Africa watchin on my phone because there is no power for the next 2 hours 😥😥
With Zuckerborg's track-record, you have to be some kind of special to be excited about anything he makes. Linus not biased at all here right?
It's funny looking back at this now that Threads is also turning up rate limits claiming spam attacks lol
They won't talk about it since it's not Elon which they very much hate.
If the deactivation works the same way it does at my job, deactivation disables your ability to log in. This is useful if someone wants a temporary break, if the users data is hacked and they want to prevent people from logging into the account. Presume a deletion is full GDPR removal of the data that meta has stored. There is no way for the account to be recovered, you can recover deactivated accounts.
Now i want a tshirt saying "Everything is Garbage!"😂
Is amazing how Mastodon, a way superior experience to either Threads or Twitter, flies under the radar for you.
Decentralized kinda sucks. Mastodon is the foremost for westerners but Japanese (tons of heavy Twitter users) actually went for Misskey instead, probably because its japanese and what appeared first when you searched on Google, and you cannot find and follow each other that way. Nobody really wants a social media where you cannot find everyone you followed, let alone a social media that is still limiting sign-ups. That is why all the talks about "Twitter killer" is really more of where people are migrating to next.
Also, Thread promised that it will be compatible with all these decentralized social media, so if you want something that will be decentralized (in the future), that is backed by actual global servers right now, Thread is shaping-up to be the biggest Twitter competitors.
Making it decentralized just means not user friendly
@@neociber24tor said what?
@neociber24 Mastodon is way more user friendly than its reputation
The point of Twitter is to either trigger the libs or be a based lib. And shit on public figures you don't like. If the people you hate aren't on the platform there's no point in using it
I Thrid
You Thrud
He/She Thrud
We Threed
You All Threaded
"For everyone arguing about twitter vs threads/ insta/meta; delete both! That's how you win."
-Louis Rossmann
Threads will shut down or be dead within 2 years
And twitter will still be going strong, bc we love free speech
More social media, just what the world needs...
I prefer being challenged to living in an echo chamber. I won't be joining threads any time soon.
20:04 I fully agree on the problem with having a friendly platform. And the part of "making a multiplayer game, one with a non-toxic user base, well I was with you up until you're gonna make a multiplayer game" is reasonable. (COD MW II's multiplayer)
I legit thought multiplayer games were getting better or "nicer" because I never hear hot mics.
COD 2019, Cold war, Vanguard, slip gate, Halo don't remember them being bad... but MW2 2023.... I was called every slur in the book the first 30 secs in each match by a child.... It's like I got time warped back to 2007. People really don't change, and finally understood and appreciated good moderation.
A social media platform without a website is a joke
When over 95% of usage of social media is done through phones it isn't really
The thing, that makes me laugh here is...
People are leaving Twitter, because it turned into a garbage-evil-company and are moving to Threads, which is owned by Meta...
...i shall leave it standing as is.
If you do not see the irony in this, then it cannot be helped.
Twitter (Free Speech) Threads (censorship)
Twitter (censorship i like) Threads (censorship i don't like)
Its over 100 million now
this has me thinking that at one point in the future, owning your own pc/desktop will be the equivalent of a boomer going "my old 65 mustang runs better than all these new electric cars" in the sense that so many people from younger generations just default to using their mobile devices for everything and are more likely to go "why would I need a pc when my phone does the same thing" like yeah, it does the same thing, but you cannot tell me opening a pdf or spreadsheet is more enjoyable on a phone than it is a dedicated desktop with a monitor or even a 13 inch laptop at that. it's probably irrational as a fear, but thinking about how so many social platforms didn't even have a website version for the longest, I feel like that fear is somewhat valid, if I'm not mistaken, snapchat didn't have a website until a year or two ago
If anything Threads just presents the contrast to show Twitter as being a more complete app.
Okay, Threads got a lot of users quickly; great. Now what? It’s lacking in every way.
My last straw with twitter is the new policy that caps the amount of tweets you can view. And within a few days Threads was released, the timing was perfect.
I won't be surprised if Meta actually rushed it before all its features are on-par with Twitter. Its the best launch window when Twitter was on what Linus called "a rolling blackout". Thread is not fully on-par with Twitter yet in terms of features but I don't think it is something that will take long to build. Probably only few months or even weeks.
You do know that was less than 24 hours right?
@@CapsuleGraph11 It does not matter. Now, every time Twitter broke down, and it broke down quite alot nowadays, people assume its because of Elon implementing rate-limiting again, either to force people to buy Twitter Blue, or he may just want to dodge another expensive server bills. There are no press relations too because Elon fired all of them (and set auto-reply to poop emoji) so media is also forced to speculate just like the rest of us on what is happening again on Twitter, feeding into the frenzy.
And those are the people that somehow heard or saw Elon's tweets. There are alot of people, particularly Japanese, that never really saw Elon's, or need to rely on Machine Translation to understand what Elon is saying (btw, the Google Translate also failed constantly recently). My Twitter is basically full of Japanese stuffs, and they were on fire.
That was temporary lol
Wasn't threads rate limiting literally same day it came out? i recall seeing people complain about it; and theyve already killed interest in it from many other countries, artist japan especially lmao.
I was JUST talking about this, PCs are going to go away, as the vast majority of us who grew up with computers are now part of a dying breed when everything is being accessed via apps and mobile devices. The fact that apps have no website presences much less those that have limited presence is growing only indicates the transition.
I think anyone under 30 could have told Elon not to buy Twitter, none of my younger cousins use it. It probably peaked in popularity a few years ago
It's not popular as a "social media" site in the traditional sense. It hasn't been for some time. 2011-2013 may have been the last time it was. In the past 6 years it's been incredibly popular as a news platform.. Something like a centralized RSS feed with decentralized contributors.
He tried to back out but his mouth got him in too deep
@@MasonTaylor22 a news website isn’t worth $44 billion either. There’s 300 million active Twitter users. He spent $150 per Twitter account and now has to make that back.
@@UMADBRO64 boomers are on Twitter
If they go all in and develop a column based web portal, it's over.
11:20 Me too. I'm born after 2000 and I use the big screen at the desktop! If there is no good way to bring it on this screen it doesn't exist.
Eating a burro on a hike?!?!? Wtf. Thats a bad idea... Lmao
I think a Bing search will provide you the code to create a Twitter clone.
I like how Linus subtly referred to John Gabriel's Greater Internet f___wad Theory. "Normal person+audience+anonymity=total f____wad"
This turned into a team meeting very fast lol
Meta would have a much easier time making a Twitter competitor since they already have a lot of backend experience managing huge volumes of user input and output. Meta is an exception to the general difficulty of making a Twitter competitor.
100%
Threads is just the latest ‘iPod killer’
Dude Threads is terrible right now. Its all large brands and almost no interaction. Not only that but the interface is just awful. Maybe one day it will be something but my money is it dying in a relatively short time
Threads is garbage and twitter is garbage. But it's crazily obvious that Linus is a twitter/musk hater. Not surprising from someone who thinks adblocking is piracy.
@@casperd2100 Twitter/Musk hater? Aka a normal person?
@@casperd2100 If ads are supposed to pay for the content, it is piracy. Who do you think pays for the production?
@@100c0c Well that's not what piracy is by definition. We can't just change the meaning of words whenever we like it. U can say it's kind of like piracy sure but not that it is piracy.
@@TheOutsider69 Enjoy your echo chamber
Good luck ever enforcing a "no politics" rule equally across the board.
I've yet to see a rule like that not be misused, not in private chats, not in small forums or ircs, not in large platforms.
There is no line between advertiser friendly and censorship, because making something advertiser friendly is wholly within censorship.
Likewise, trying to have a rule about not allowing politics doesn't work because every aspect of anyone's life has to do with politics. You can minimize it, you can't eliminate it.
The main point of using a social media, specially the social part, is the community. Tech is easily replace-able, if the people/group they really care about actually only use a specific platform, user can easily change their habbit for this.
20:23 It seems to maybe help though if you add a dedicated salute button that causes your character to both salute and say a catchy little inspirational/positive line to rally players together with... :P
_Rock & Stone!_
There's honestly very little legitimate reason to hate on Elon. He's not even conservative, he just doesn't agree with radical leftist politics.
Imagine wasting ridiculous truckloads of money spent over decades for PR just by running your mouth on something you were forced to buy by running your mouth.
I just hate Meta so no threads for me. Not like I was using Twitter anyway though.
On the topic of content moderation, Threads is working on Federating, which in short basically acts as a decentralized way of communicating with people between social media services. It's mainly used by Mastodon right now, but when they eventually integrate it into Threads and open it to federation with other Mastodon and other social media servers, how are they going to handle innapropriate content from other servers that aren't their own?
@@Trains77ThatNerd Ah, that makes sense.
LTT should really make that twitter competitor
It's easy to decide if one should use Threads or not: is it owned by meta/Facebook? If yes, don't use it.
The lack of website kills me.
Thats how bad twitter has become that people would rather download a meta product
Personal opinion, but Facebook peaked around 2006. Its best use was as an easy hub to communicate with friends I don't see day to day. The features I want are a messenger hub (it's slightly more convenient and less formal than email), a relatively feature-rich photo album (Instagram has too many limitations, and true photo sites like Flickr are slightly too niche), and comments and likes. I didn't mind the Wall when it was just public notes to people, but I want to control what types of content can be posted to my wall, don't post articles to my wall.
I swear it wasn’t even big till like 2009?
@@battmarn It started getting big in 2005. But at the time it was limited to colleges and was little more than "here's all your friends, poke them and write on their wall." 2007 they let external developers add tons of apps, which everyone then added to their pages and it started tanking for me. 2009 was probably around when they opened it up to anyone and everyone.
Im calling it now, Mark Zuckerberg will announce on April 1st that he is going to start charging for official accounts on threads. It will be the greatest trolling/April fools of all time.
elon always took all the credit for every project he was listed on, eventually people realized he's on twitter all day and all night, and that's why he only sleeps for 4 hours a night; not because he is a self proclaimed genius with self diagnosed aspergers to compare himself to einstein... supporting moronic ideas like hyperloop/ underground roads/ tesla shingles/ marketing bs buzzword galore project, most others i know in technical fields agree that hes a monster of a hype man, but theres never public discussion on technicalities of topics.
i just cannot believe nobody ever checked him on any of the decade+ of 10,000% efficiency bs and blatantly lying about time frames for stock value.
I wonder how many "users" are bots
If Threads was running Twitter code, it wouldn't function.
I still don't have threads! Can't wait to have it available in The Netherlands!
I hit the read limit on Twitter reading one tweet and the replies
What's the difference between advertiser friendly and censorship? In terms of actions or policy, there is a distinction without a difference.
In a capital friendly system, especially upon a privately owned and operated digital chatroom, anything that opposes the status quo for those who've already succeeded at accruing capital and their efforts to maintain that privileged position, will be censored or otherwise challenged by said entit(ies)y.
Thusly, for most, its a difference of whose worldview is protected, irrelevant of "the truth" and what it may imply, and how many suffer/benefit from that.
The real blackpill of this all is, simply, we'll willingly go along with it, and will even defend it when its challenged.
The first Matrix film was so spot on with its observations of the ordinary person within the systems they exist within.
A lot of engineers can clone apps like Twitter in a few days.
whoever came up with the title deserves a raise
Even though I set youtube to send me notifications for all vids, I didn't get one for this. Is there a limit on how many notifications can be sent from 1 channel in x amount of time?
Let's be real: Threads is just Mastodon with Meta's paint job. To be fair, that isn't a bad thing.
Using fluffy elephant (mastodon) on an instance I run for myself and pay for, it's the real winner, you can use it and just be happy. And eventually threads and tumblr will implement activitypub and be interoperable with other activitypub software like mastodon, misskey, pixelfed, etc. My social media future looking bright, I can always keep my social graph with me and I don't have to be stuck in corporate hell fueled by hate and negativity~
"My social media future looking bright". I hope it actually is, but I wouldn't bet on it. Do not underestimate humanity's infinite potential for malice.
@@randomdeliveryguy I'm honestly gobsmacked that people out there can be enthusiastic for social media of all things. Like, I don't bring people down for it, if that's what they like, that's what they like, but for me, I've always looked at social media negatively. A somewhat unavoidable evil at best.
@@habama1077 Depending on what instance you choose to join, Mastodon can feel way different to other social media. I thought it'd just be a better twitter, but its kinda become something different. I suspect part of it is being included in the community and thus having a voice on the decisions and rules etc.
Linus's desire for twitter to fail is hilarious. Because he will ultimately end up dissapointed.
Maybe meta should reply with poop emoji (💩) to the letter and/or threats from musk. That, and tell him to go touch grass. 😅
this aged like fine milk lol
How come?
13:00 That's the same way I feel about Google's war against ad-blockers. If they manage to clamp down and prevent people from watching more than 3 videos (per day? forever? 🤔), then I'll just stop watching YT altogether and have 10-20 hours of extra free time per day. 🤷 (I multi-task while watching videos, but still, not having 200-300 videos in my watch-later list all day long would make life easier and freer, like before I started watching YT 5 years ago 😒). Bring it on. 👍
24:24 Okay Luke. 👍 You hair looks nice today. Ha! There, this wasn't garbage. Suck it Linus! - Um… wait a second… 🤔
Threads won't replace Twitter, simply because of its heavy moderation of explicit material
Twitter for finance is great. Fintwit community is golden. Sure there are jerks and scammers but they are easily identifiable and ignored
This whole mess will probably be taught in Business 101 courses as an elementary example of what not to do.
Non-competes are basically unenforceable in California btw.
The bits about the twitter layoffs make no sense. Linus even acknowledged that twitter wasn’t sustainable at that level.
70 million users sounds extremely inflated
18:00 Facebook is based in California, and California has very few affordances for non-competes anyway. It's basically just client books and setting up a competitor after having sold your business.