Anyone else fascinated by the water in her glass going up? I thought Si listened really well (not easy with Jet Lag, and with vocal fry- at least I struggle with that) and asked really astute questions, and she responded well to his questions, none of which sounded scripted. Personally I don't train enough to zoom in on marginal gains on recovery - I just need to get on the bike more.
Medlife Crisis would look at this and probably laugh his ass off, he has a "duck like a quack" series going on, maybe he'll spend a moment to debunk the whole HRV concept. Or maybe not, who knows, he seems like a busy individual. But it's interesting you've got one math buffin and one kinesiology guy, together they spin some crazy theories in the absence of any actual health care individuals. I really liked the lady's explanation about HRV reacting meaninglessly to everything in the world but less so at night when you're sleeping dreamlessly, yet the photo from the peloton shows some guy wearing his WHOOP while riding and presumably not sleeping dreamlessly. And expecting some worthwhile result? Or just psyching out the gullible. Who could know?!
Thanks i was watching this and my neighbour came in and we watched this together now our whole village has watched this video and they all appreciate how to recover 👍🏻
I enjoyed this video and found the presentation to be informative and educational. I'm not in the target demographic for this gizmo but it is interesting to know more about new tech like this. Seems to me that it would be rather fascinating to get this kind of physiological data and be able to use it to implement better training and overall lifestyle improvements. After I watched the video I checked out some of the comments and was surprised by the negativity and the points that were nit picked. In my view the woman did a fine job of representing and explaining the product.
Timely! I've been looking into this since seeing how some athletes (e.g. Kate Courtney and Phil Gaimon) use Whoop to train and recover. Mine was delivered yesterday. I really appreciate the deep dive and the clear explanations.
I've been tracking my HRV and resting HR via different apps since November and now Whoop. The way I feel during the day and during workouts is noticeably different when I am rested and without high levels of stress being placed on my system. But the balance between high recovery and making fitness gains is the key balancing point. The point here is that these devices mostly only measure these values. It's up to you to figure out what you can and shouldn't do to improve your recovery and strain. You need to experiment and track these things over time to really understand how it applies to you. For example, say you have a race on Saturday. Should you train hard Tuesday and Wednesday, take Thursday off, and go light on Friday? Or, do you need to back off more and take Friday completely off? You start to understand how training and the rest of your life adds to the overall picture.
great idea, but £20 per month....youre pricing yourselves out of the market there, like many I already pay monthly fees for Strava, Zwift and Training Peaks so im not gonna add another £20 per month on top of that...pretty sure a lot of folks will feel the same way
"The more your heart jumps around (to an extent, of course), the readier you are for action" - PhD Bryn Farnsworth. Luckily there is much explanation done since 1760 when HRV was first described.
@@Advcrazy I would encourage her as well. I simply think that she overcomplicated what should have been an approachable topic. At least to me she tried hard to make it seem novel . Companies run out of ways to sell products so they send a spokesperson to tell us how their glorified heart rate monitor will take the weekend warrior to the next level.
it's all well and good that they can dissect the data, but it all comes down to diet and training ... the usual same old same old. this would be of use to a paid athlete on a tem, just like a power meter. i am not paying hundreds of dollars to catalogue my shitty to average performance on a training ride. in fact i am now making a habit of one ride a week without my Garmin to track me and i am not on Strava. shock, horror, i know, but the bottom line is whether or not i am smiling. i measure my progress in smiles, not miles or metrics. vive la velo! excellent show, as always !
altandrew it’s another tool You can use to analyze what you’re doing through the day, how you’re performing, and make subtle tweaks to optimize your recovery and performance. Everything she said makes sense.
@@chrisonskates And you just know there will be overweight, middle-aged weekend riders with too much money, buying this and stressing about their marginal gains. LMAO.
JSkillz everyone knows that it’s about the average speed of your ride. Downhill section with tailwind, bomb it! Uphill into a 15 mph headwind, you better bust your ass to not let that speed drop. Lol
@@ygtcbee23 I agree, but there is an admin for a whoop facebook group that disagrees and stated, that the disclaimer is not regarding the whoop content in the GCN video, but GCN's own add banner for GCN sponsored merchandise. I disagree with him and believe Whoop funded this video as a marketing effort.
Heya Jeff, yes it was. In case you'd like to know where to find this information, we use a paid promotion burn-in on the first few seconds of the video, disclosure in the description and also 'AD' on the thumbnail which you'll see before watching the video. Cheers!
interesting and a great explanation about HRV, but Garmin and many other wearable sensors manufacturers had many of the features, hardware and insights before this company was even founded. What's new/unique about Whoop other than the SaaS pricing model?
I think Whoop probably needs to test a much wider sample of people. I've tried 5 different wrist based HR sensors and they're not very accurate compared to chest HRM. So much so that I pretty consider all wrist HRM to be junk when worn as a watch. I did find that strapping it on very tight improved accuracy, but then it's not comfortable. Also if you're tan, it affects accuracy. If you sweat alot and the band moves around as you ride, accuracy goes down.
At this point the reliability of light based HR sensors simply isn't there as you noticed. The sensor has to be pressed into the skin with no barriers or refraction (sweat, dirt) with a person who's skin doesn't absorb the light wave length. Wearing it loosely or sweating or dirt really hurts it's accuracy and consistently. Without clean data any conclusions of stuff like this will be heavily skewed.
She's obviously a very smart Data Analyst type, but not a medical professional. She does a good job of explaining human science in layman's terms, which is probably exactly her level of expertise. This conversation should have been her methods of data analysis with a person with more of a human physiology background explaining the science behind the data. It was pretty heavy on the human biology science.
Someone said Circadian Rhythm but instead I heard Biorhythm and it occurs to me when I was a lad I used to read my horoscope and my biorhythm and now that I'm older, yeah the biorhythm doesn't get published any more (it was - what is word? - *DISCREDITED*)
I watched the whole thing and found it rather interesting. Those who are complaining of a "yawn fest" seem to just be people who lack any form of brain wave activity. Must be a boring life to want to wall off knowledge.
Ppg is not new, there are dozens of free apps that work with a smartphone. All garmin and fit bits measure your HR in the same way, the clever part is the analysis. Garmin isn't particularly clever (as in "good" or "you need more rest" ie qualitative only) whereas some free stuff like welltory is more quantitative and specific about the measurement data. There's nothing special about whoop other than its fancy wristband.
I've been using whoop for a couple of months now and it is quite good. I've also been recording my hrv using my chest strap HR monitor and phone for a few years. As many people have said whoop is expensive and that the reason I'm going back to using ithlete. For us cyclists strain is measured more accurately using watts anyway.
Plenty of ideas that simply stem from fairly established science, BUT the key here is that WHOOP is making it accessible to the everyday person!!! Every sport scientist knows that the variance person-to-person is wildly more drastic than any average "rule of thumb" (i.e. quitting gluten because your favorite pro did it.) That's exactly why it's so important to be able to analyze yourself, rather than following trends blindly. Without a WHOOP strap, you'd have to hire a sport scientist or physical therapist to give you continuous private consultation... ($$$). NOTE: I don't have any relation to the company. Just a sports nerd and big fan of the awesome data! Big props to Emily! She has such a clear mastery of the info. Great to see a glimpse of the passion for sport clearly driving this whole company.
summary as I understood it: when your heart rate is variable you can perform better on bike. When it's not variable, you will not perform as well. Whoop helps you know when it's variable and when it's not, and what causes it to be variable. Main causes are stress, poor sleep, poor diet/hydration and overtraining. Get those things right and you will have high heart rate variability and be able to train harder/better. Whoop will help you figure out the things that are causing your heart rate variability to drop.
The literature proves that devices are not very good at measuring sleep or the quality of sleep. If you read the articles in google scholar (make your own mind up) there is a lot of conversation on the quality of a watch to measure this. IEEE REVIEWS IN BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING, VOL. XX, NO. X, APR 2018 " Promises and Challenges in the Use of Consumer-grade Devices for Sleep Monitoring" talks about the how inaccurate the consumer grade devices are. This is right up there is snake oil with regards to the tech, the recovery information may be backed by research, the tech is not!!
Lacking. Would appreciate more science-based content (i.e. physio mechanisms) vs commercial for specific products .... in this case Whoop. "secret sauce" is a euphemism for "not going to talk science".
So basically Whoop only provides data on HRV and through that recovery. And they use OHR as do these unknown companies such as Garmin, Polar, Suunto etc. Companies which also tend to offer multisport capabilities and for example time of day from the same device, which is capable of utilizing HRV for recovery estimation. Also Whoop sure isn't the pioneer when it comes to HRV analytics. It's Firstbeat, founded in 2002, and it also is the company that licenses its technology to the above mentioned companies. Of course as this is a paid promotion, Whoop is presented as the best there is when it comes to HRV.
Heya Visa, you're right about the paid promotion - as we disclosed thoroughly, however we do not do reviews here on GCN. We're not comparing WHOOP to any other technologies - we're simply featuring them as we like what WHOOP do and thought our viewers might be interested too!
I knew this was gonna be a tough one when she didn't have anything to say in response to his sleep joke at the beginning. She seems adorable though, and it must be hard to explain why your company is charging such a high price for something that only elite professionals would get any use from.
I can't believe she still couldn't work out whether Si was hot or not and had to repeat herself (4.27m & 12.10m) to see if Si would answer the question for her. We've all known it for years... c'mon, the answer is....errrr...?
I love GCN, but this was a waste of the carbon footprint the flight produced, hope you had other business in the US Si! It was a sales pitch, only instead of a 30sec ad, it was however minutes of fluff. I know she can't help the way she speaks, but it was a hard listen, sorry. As for the science of this, maybe it's useful for the very highest performers, but like most of this stuff, almost pointless for those of us that just need to ride a bit more/harder/smarter.
Not sure why all the hateful comments. This video was amazing. Very informative and great questions / answers asked. Watched it several times. The science behind recover is very interesting and is definitely more than just "get some rest". It's great to be able to quantify why I feel great from one day to the next when I haven't seemingly done anything different. Thanks guys!
Steven Palomino yeah, don’t understand so much negativity, wouldn’t mind giving it a go for 6 months, might help me stop drinking as much. And improve my biking performance.
I think every time she looks at Si, her heart rate goes up and her heart rate variability goes down. If he had a Whoop nookie sensor, it'd be telling him "Well in lad... well in."
Yes, please, more analyses like this! As someone who has just started following pro cycling as a spectator sport in the past couple years, content like this is super instructive to understand what's happened in the race (and what the consequences may be for future stages) with greater nuance.
@@gcn I actually meant to leave this comment on another video, I think-one of the longer stage analysis videos Si and Dan did toward the end of TdF-but I'd watched it on my Roku and then typed the comment on my phone after the fact, and I must've clicked the wrong video. Anyway, more in-depth race analysis was the ask! That said, HRV is pretty neat stuff too, and I'll keep an eye out for videos about it, too. I'm actually thinking of trying Whoop, but not just for the training benefits. When I started cycling, it wasn't something I did for positive mental health outcomes, but after having spent a couple years pushing myself to ride greater distances at faster speeds, I have definitely noticed improvements in my alertness, my ability sustain deep focus and attention, my capacity to manage stress and anxiety, and my general mood and disposition... and, wouldn't you know it, HRV is strongly correlated with all those things, too. Another UA-camr has a great video on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/LOe9GNEDKZ8/v-deo.html So maybe HRV training isn't just a fitness hack, but a life hack more generally.
You had me hooked right until 15 seconds before the end of the 2nd video. It’s a shame all their “geniuses” are in their analytics department and not their pricing department. A whopping £24 per month. I can just about get Strava, Netflix and Spotify together for the same as Whoop. Ouch! Perhaps they should rebrand from Whoop to whopping! 🤣
Cardiomood is free - although not 100% sure where your data goes but then the same could be said for American companies where governance is not as string8as EU zone
Seems dirt cheap to me for what you get. I'm riding a $2,800 bike and tracking my miles/time with a $400 GPS watch on my handlebars. $30 a month for the chance to make the absolute best of those two things seems cheap. Meanwhile it's common place to spend tons of cash a month to waste your life away watching TV with hundreds of channels but nothing on thats actually good to watch.
So many people complaining in the comments about the price of the product and/or service. Please stop already. If you cannot afford it, don’t buy it. If you prefer a different product, just use that. Nobody is forcing you to make any purchases here. It’s like the people who cry that GCN doesn’t review low end bicycles. Guess what? Few people would watch it. The Mazda 2 is a great little economy runabout, but we all want to see Ferraris track tested not Mazda 2s. The same reason we want the scoop on Super Record EPS equipped Colnagos or E-Tap equipped S-Works Venges. Most of us will never get the opportunity to try these things for ourselves, and most of us cannot afford to buy them. So we enjoy learning about them through our beloved GCN presenters. Keep up the good work, GCN! #nocrybabies
This needs to be expounded upon. They explain that reduced HRV is from stress and that stress can have many sources. But what do you do with that information? Not train at all that day? Train in a lower zone? I don't get to pick and choose when I have time to ride so I certainly wouldn't let an HR device keep me off the bike. In fact that's counter-intuitive since the bike IS my stress relief!
HRV is an indicator. I don't think they actually explained what to do with this insight. Basically, you need to monitor this data (ideally, 24/7) and then pay attention to patterns. If you use Garmin (or similar) fitness monitors (I use a Fenix 5 and a Forerunner 935) it will throw out scores based on algorithms (relationships between the various data streams that are recorded) and basically point out when you're not sleeping well or resting enough. What you can do about it is notice when you're not getting enough rest/sleep but also think about nutrition habits and timing. For me, sometimes I notice problems when I forget to drink enough water in the hours after long sessions and if I drink something like a soda in the middle of the day without a meal. This shows up as "erratic" heart rate "beat to beat" or "HRV" but also elevated HR-BPM (beats per minute) compared to normal (for you) and then you have to figure out what is happening. For me it also matters if I add protein to my breakfast (I tend to eat only a little since I start hard sessions within an hour of waking up). Since all of your exercise is also recorded it will flag you as overtrained or whatever. If not, you have to figure out what you're doing differently that is not recorded directly by your hardware. Also, if you want to take a more detailed HRV test some of the better straps will do it (instead of filtering and averaging BPM it actually records the precise time of each beat) and create a FIT file for you to look at. The next step is getting an ECG from a cardiologist if you think you need it.
I used Kubios and polar chest strap data a decade ago. Now I use elite HRV read from the light on my phone. If I want detail, i can plug the data into kubios or cardiomood. I'm not understanding the USP for whoop.
Hey Si, did you get all that? 😁 As a former news reporter: I salute you being able to conduct the TV interview AND absorb that AMOUNT of data from Whoop lady! Awesome. 👏🏼👍🏼👌🏻
@@gcn Agreed but the ride is today and I don't have a team doctor or psychologist to help me work out what the problem is 😂 Sorry to be flippant, I did find this video interesting and the whole concept fascinating but surely data is only useful if you know what to do with it?
Yes it is. In case you'd like to know where to look, there's AD in the thumnail, a disclosure in the description and the 'paid promotion' burn-in on the first few seconds of the video. Cheers!
I use Elite HRV too. I bought their CorSense device which also uses optical readings, but some mornings it struggles to give decent readings. Some Eli5e HRV users report better results with a Polar chest strap. I don’t recall the exact model.
Can you do more videos of the spinning bike training videos please? I’ve been doing all the spinning videos but noticed you guys didn’t post one in a while. Thank you.
Hated the price but ended up reshuffling my budget and went on the website to get it and it only gave the option of shipping to the US or Canada?? What's with all the marketing if you can't deliver. Very dissapointed. And the genius comment was just stupid.
Anyone else fascinated by the water in her glass going up? I thought Si listened really well (not easy with Jet Lag, and with vocal fry- at least I struggle with that) and asked really astute questions, and she responded well to his questions, none of which sounded scripted. Personally I don't train enough to zoom in on marginal gains on recovery - I just need to get on the bike more.
Did well for a sales rep. Surprised there was not a cardiologist to hand
Medlife Crisis would look at this and probably laugh his ass off, he has a "duck like a quack" series going on, maybe he'll spend a moment to debunk the whole HRV concept. Or maybe not, who knows, he seems like a busy individual. But it's interesting you've got one math buffin and one kinesiology guy, together they spin some crazy theories in the absence of any actual health care individuals. I really liked the lady's explanation about HRV reacting meaninglessly to everything in the world but less so at night when you're sleeping dreamlessly, yet the photo from the peloton shows some guy wearing his WHOOP while riding and presumably not sleeping dreamlessly. And expecting some worthwhile result? Or just psyching out the gullible. Who could know?!
Just don’t take a reading while she’s around, bust the scale😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😂😂😂
I ride 2 times a week and drink the other 5 days, my Recovery days are the 2 days i ride. REKT
TruthYnot you are my spirit animal
🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣 well done mate
Thanks i was watching this and my neighbour came in and we watched this together now our whole village has watched this video and they all appreciate how to recover 👍🏻
I enjoyed this video and found the presentation to be informative and educational. I'm not in the target demographic for this gizmo but it is interesting to know more about new tech like this. Seems to me that it would be rather fascinating to get this kind of physiological data and be able to use it to implement better training and overall lifestyle improvements.
After I watched the video I checked out some of the comments and was surprised by the negativity and the points that were nit picked. In my view the woman did a fine job of representing and explaining the product.
Thanks Alistair, we appreciate your feedback! Glad to hear you found this one interesting 👍
Timely! I've been looking into this since seeing how some athletes (e.g. Kate Courtney and Phil Gaimon) use Whoop to train and recover. Mine was delivered yesterday. I really appreciate the deep dive and the clear explanations.
Not quite sure what's novel here?
Uh, read between the lines, you'll soon see WHOOP rhymes with GOOP.
You're welcome.
Complicated but most informative. Excellent.
I would be interested in knowing how many times the word "like" was used in this video...
Good Vibe Biker I like your comment 😀
I lost count after like one hundred or like three hundred or something.
About 30% of my daily conversations with my 16 year old daughter.
I've been tracking my HRV and resting HR via different apps since November and now Whoop. The way I feel during the day and during workouts is noticeably different when I am rested and without high levels of stress being placed on my system. But the balance between high recovery and making fitness gains is the key balancing point. The point here is that these devices mostly only measure these values. It's up to you to figure out what you can and shouldn't do to improve your recovery and strain. You need to experiment and track these things over time to really understand how it applies to you. For example, say you have a race on Saturday. Should you train hard Tuesday and Wednesday, take Thursday off, and go light on Friday? Or, do you need to back off more and take Friday completely off? You start to understand how training and the rest of your life adds to the overall picture.
great idea, but £20 per month....youre pricing yourselves out of the market there, like many I already pay monthly fees for Strava, Zwift and Training Peaks so im not gonna add another £20 per month on top of that...pretty sure a lot of folks will feel the same way
2:20 that "ok" :D
Albert Einstein - "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough."
Justin Roysman I thought She did a good job at explaining it. I understood it just fine at least
I feel you...i understand what they do with the data and how they get it .....but that beat variance threw me off
"The more your heart jumps around (to an extent, of course), the readier you are for action" - PhD Bryn Farnsworth. Luckily there is much explanation done since 1760 when HRV was first described.
Which part did you struggle with?
@@Advcrazy I would encourage her as well. I simply think that she overcomplicated what should have been an approachable topic. At least to me she tried hard to make it seem novel . Companies run out of ways to sell products so they send a spokesperson to tell us how their glorified heart rate monitor will take the weekend warrior to the next level.
i'm only training to ride down the chippy n back!
Fascinating. Love this sort of content.
it's all well and good that they can dissect the data, but it all comes down to diet and training ... the usual same old same old. this would be of use to a paid athlete on a tem, just like a power meter. i am not paying hundreds of dollars to catalogue my shitty to average performance on a training ride. in fact i am now making a habit of one ride a week without my Garmin to track me and i am not on Strava. shock, horror, i know, but the bottom line is whether or not i am smiling. i measure my progress in smiles, not miles or metrics.
vive la velo!
excellent show, as always !
For me the thing that is holding me back are the 4 broken ribs that I had on the sunday ride!
OUCH! Get better soon!
WHOOPs... 😬
No wonder my sleep quality is so good. Go to bed pretty much at the same time even though I average only 6.1 hours per day.
Can we have an American accent to British accent conversion?
I think the video would become too short if you would cut out all the times she said "like"
Mate i'm Aussie and it was killing me...
All that bloody uptalk makes listening hard. Uptalk if its a question not a statement FFS!
@@seal1mas I am from New Zealand.
She did a great job explaining but it’s very complex how it works. Pretty cool tech. I wonder if this is better than Apple Watch for data?
idk if im just tired or what but i have no clue how this is supposed to help your recovery
altandrew it’s another tool
You can use to analyze what you’re doing through the day, how you’re performing, and make subtle tweaks to optimize your recovery and performance. Everything she said makes sense.
@@chrisonskates And you just know there will be overweight, middle-aged weekend riders with too much money, buying this and stressing about their marginal gains. LMAO.
JSkillz everyone knows that it’s about the average speed of your ride. Downhill section with tailwind, bomb it! Uphill into a 15 mph headwind, you better bust your ass to not let that speed drop. Lol
Uptalk, vocal fry. You had a chat with a true valleygirl.
Dude, she's in Boston - nowhere NEAR "the Valley".
@@mnbv5555cxz And yet, she's talking Valley.
@@mnbv5555cxz everyone in boston has lived there their entire life.
oh my gawwwd ! rilly? fur shur ! like... totally ! gag me with a spooon!
Frank Zappa had her nailed
I never though id be happy to see an ad during a youtube vid. Ad finished, back to sleep...
Prettiest Director of analytics.
I have a question for GCN... Can they confirm that this GCN segment was not subsidized in any way by Whoop?
@@ygtcbee23 I agree, but there is an admin for a whoop facebook group that disagrees and stated, that the disclaimer is not regarding the whoop content in the GCN video, but GCN's own add banner for GCN sponsored merchandise. I disagree with him and believe Whoop funded this video as a marketing effort.
Totally... My GCN ad sniff test - if it looks like a Duck and quacks like a Duck, it's probably a Duck...
Of course they paid for it.
Heya Jeff, yes it was. In case you'd like to know where to find this information, we use a paid promotion burn-in on the first few seconds of the video, disclosure in the description and also 'AD' on the thumbnail which you'll see before watching the video. Cheers!
The attribution is pretty clear at the front.
I'm not sure how good would it work but it sounds a little bit over the top
What? You visited my home town and didn't say Hi? Well hope you had a good time here.
Flying visit, sorry!
interesting and a great explanation about HRV, but Garmin and many other wearable sensors manufacturers had many of the features, hardware and insights before this company was even founded. What's new/unique about Whoop other than the SaaS pricing model?
Can you fit a mountain bike hydraulic disc brakes on a road bike?
I was just wondering the other day, what ist this bracelet Si is wearing ;). Now I know :P
There you have it!
Look at that glass of water
Wish I had this in Architecture school, after the 2nd night up I assume the app would just be screaming "GO TO SLEEP!"
I noticed that the heart rate band was worn on the right hand. I wear mine on the left hand. Is it better on the right side?
I think Whoop probably needs to test a much wider sample of people. I've tried 5 different wrist based HR sensors and they're not very accurate compared to chest HRM. So much so that I pretty consider all wrist HRM to be junk when worn as a watch. I did find that strapping it on very tight improved accuracy, but then it's not comfortable. Also if you're tan, it affects accuracy. If you sweat alot and the band moves around as you ride, accuracy goes down.
At this point the reliability of light based HR sensors simply isn't there as you noticed. The sensor has to be pressed into the skin with no barriers or refraction (sweat, dirt) with a person who's skin doesn't absorb the light wave length. Wearing it loosely or sweating or dirt really hurts it's accuracy and consistently. Without clean data any conclusions of stuff like this will be heavily skewed.
Fit bit does that as well doesnt it?
She's obviously a very smart Data Analyst type, but not a medical professional. She does a good job of explaining human science in layman's terms, which is probably exactly her level of expertise. This conversation should have been her methods of data analysis with a person with more of a human physiology background explaining the science behind the data. It was pretty heavy on the human biology science.
I was just hearing white noise
Well, i just have a HRV reaction at minute 4.30 and Whoooooped i fall asleep....
Whoop there it is... Whoop there it is......
Someone said Circadian Rhythm but instead I heard Biorhythm and it occurs to me when I was a lad I used to read my horoscope and my biorhythm and now that I'm older, yeah the biorhythm doesn't get published any more (it was - what is word? - *DISCREDITED*)
I watched the whole thing and found it rather interesting. Those who are complaining of a "yawn fest" seem to just be people who lack any form of brain wave activity. Must be a boring life to want to wall off knowledge.
What is their privacy profile?
Me watching this at 3am : oh no
My resources ran out after 7 minutes of the word resources being used 700 times
Sleeeeeeppy...
Way too much pimping a product....mindfulness, give it a rest. Just go out and ride and enjoy.
I just went on a 45 Km ride in 100 degree weather. My poohw says I need to hydrate and go to bed. My body is swearing....
100 plus degree riding is the norm for me.
Ppg is not new, there are dozens of free apps that work with a smartphone. All garmin and fit bits measure your HR in the same way, the clever part is the analysis. Garmin isn't particularly clever (as in "good" or "you need more rest" ie qualitative only) whereas some free stuff like welltory is more quantitative and specific about the measurement data. There's nothing special about whoop other than its fancy wristband.
I've been using whoop for a couple of months now and it is quite good. I've also been recording my hrv using my chest strap HR monitor and phone for a few years. As many people have said whoop is expensive and that the reason I'm going back to using ithlete. For us cyclists strain is measured more accurately using watts anyway.
Plenty of ideas that simply stem from fairly established science, BUT the key here is that WHOOP is making it accessible to the everyday person!!! Every sport scientist knows that the variance person-to-person is wildly more drastic than any average "rule of thumb" (i.e. quitting gluten because your favorite pro did it.) That's exactly why it's so important to be able to analyze yourself, rather than following trends blindly. Without a WHOOP strap, you'd have to hire a sport scientist or physical therapist to give you continuous private consultation... ($$$).
NOTE: I don't have any relation to the company. Just a sports nerd and big fan of the awesome data! Big props to Emily! She has such a clear mastery of the info. Great to see a glimpse of the passion for sport clearly driving this whole company.
HRV4Training.
Tried watching again but still haven't got a clue what they're talking about. Normally the gcn science videos are pretty good.
summary as I understood it: when your heart rate is variable you can perform better on bike. When it's not variable, you will not perform as well. Whoop helps you know when it's variable and when it's not, and what causes it to be variable. Main causes are stress, poor sleep, poor diet/hydration and overtraining. Get those things right and you will have high heart rate variability and be able to train harder/better. Whoop will help you figure out the things that are causing your heart rate variability to drop.
What is the part that you dont understand ?
Sleeping mode on after 5 minutes. It works great.
GCN just too high a rate of adverts right now, Gotto balance it
The literature proves that devices are not very good at measuring sleep or the quality of sleep. If you read the articles in google scholar (make your own mind up) there is a lot of conversation on the quality of a watch to measure this. IEEE REVIEWS IN BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING, VOL. XX, NO. X, APR 2018 " Promises and Challenges in the Use of Consumer-grade Devices for Sleep Monitoring" talks about the how inaccurate the consumer grade devices are. This is right up there is snake oil with regards to the tech, the recovery information may be backed by research, the tech is not!!
Not sure what she really said? Don't think Si did either?? :):)
"Valley girl, she's a valley girl" as Frank once said.
Oké right for sure for sure... 😁
Lacking. Would appreciate more science-based content (i.e. physio mechanisms) vs commercial for specific products .... in this case Whoop. "secret sauce" is a euphemism for "not going to talk science".
I was going to watch another video, but now I just want to sleep. Zzzzzz...
Sweet dreams!
Main reason I put these types of videos on mate, They send us too sleep 👍😌
What a yawn fest ..... eat, sleep, rave, repeat ftw
Sounds complicated. I’ll use the can I be bothered to train method
I wonder how scientific is this? Somehow this reminds me Theranos.
It's legit -> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_rate_variability
So basically Whoop only provides data on HRV and through that recovery. And they use OHR as do these unknown companies such as Garmin, Polar, Suunto etc. Companies which also tend to offer multisport capabilities and for example time of day from the same device, which is capable of utilizing HRV for recovery estimation. Also Whoop sure isn't the pioneer when it comes to HRV analytics. It's Firstbeat, founded in 2002, and it also is the company that licenses its technology to the above mentioned companies. Of course as this is a paid promotion, Whoop is presented as the best there is when it comes to HRV.
Heya Visa, you're right about the paid promotion - as we disclosed thoroughly, however we do not do reviews here on GCN. We're not comparing WHOOP to any other technologies - we're simply featuring them as we like what WHOOP do and thought our viewers might be interested too!
I knew this was gonna be a tough one when she didn't have anything to say in response to his sleep joke at the beginning. She seems adorable though, and it must be hard to explain why your company is charging such a high price for something that only elite professionals would get any use from.
WHOOPS.
Takk amazing American genius lady👍🇮🇸
I can't believe she still couldn't work out whether Si was hot or not and had to repeat herself (4.27m & 12.10m) to see if Si would answer the question for her. We've all known it for years... c'mon, the answer is....errrr...?
I love GCN, but this was a waste of the carbon footprint the flight produced, hope you had other business in the US Si! It was a sales pitch, only instead of a 30sec ad, it was however minutes of fluff. I know she can't help the way she speaks, but it was a hard listen, sorry. As for the science of this, maybe it's useful for the very highest performers, but like most of this stuff, almost pointless for those of us that just need to ride a bit more/harder/smarter.
This one time, at band camp.
That beautiful British accent and then she opened her mouth...
That is why I am glad I married a southern woman. East coast "yankee women" the worst voice one could imagine, and it is for life!
@@FriendlyFarmMachineryToolCpBelfor most non-US the typical southern accent ain't much better...
Not sure why all the hateful comments. This video was amazing. Very informative and great questions / answers asked. Watched it several times. The science behind recover is very interesting and is definitely more than just "get some rest". It's great to be able to quantify why I feel great from one day to the next when I haven't seemingly done anything different. Thanks guys!
Steven Palomino yeah, don’t understand so much negativity, wouldn’t mind giving it a go for 6 months, might help me stop drinking as much. And improve my biking performance.
I think every time she looks at Si, her heart rate goes up and her heart rate variability goes down.
If he had a Whoop nookie sensor, it'd be telling him "Well in lad... well in."
Yes, please, more analyses like this! As someone who has just started following pro cycling as a spectator sport in the past couple years, content like this is super instructive to understand what's happened in the race (and what the consequences may be for future stages) with greater nuance.
Thanks Jake, it's intricate and fascinating stuff eh?
@@gcn I actually meant to leave this comment on another video, I think-one of the longer stage analysis videos Si and Dan did toward the end of TdF-but I'd watched it on my Roku and then typed the comment on my phone after the fact, and I must've clicked the wrong video. Anyway, more in-depth race analysis was the ask!
That said, HRV is pretty neat stuff too, and I'll keep an eye out for videos about it, too. I'm actually thinking of trying Whoop, but not just for the training benefits. When I started cycling, it wasn't something I did for positive mental health outcomes, but after having spent a couple years pushing myself to ride greater distances at faster speeds, I have definitely noticed improvements in my alertness, my ability sustain deep focus and attention, my capacity to manage stress and anxiety, and my general mood and disposition... and, wouldn't you know it, HRV is strongly correlated with all those things, too. Another UA-camr has a great video on the subject: ua-cam.com/video/LOe9GNEDKZ8/v-deo.html
So maybe HRV training isn't just a fitness hack, but a life hack more generally.
Love you Simon Richardson keep up your excellent work 😊🙌
Some graphs or visualization slides would have been helpful - very interesting but I couldn't follow the American lady anymore.
Absolutely agree with you.... too much non stop rambling with no visual to aid in information uptake
i think she like the guy what the hell she doing at 07:10
r u 12 years old go back to gaming
@@neoneherefrom5836 are you freak games are not for kid minded like you
You had me hooked right until 15 seconds before the end of the 2nd video. It’s a shame all their “geniuses” are in their analytics department and not their pricing department. A whopping £24 per month. I can just about get Strava, Netflix and Spotify together for the same as Whoop. Ouch! Perhaps they should rebrand from Whoop to whopping! 🤣
Cardiomood is free - although not 100% sure where your data goes but then the same could be said for American companies where governance is not as string8as EU zone
Oh no! Haven't got to the second vídeo yet and boom a steep monthly fee like a bucket of cold wáter dashes my high hopes.
Seems dirt cheap to me for what you get. I'm riding a $2,800 bike and tracking my miles/time with a $400 GPS watch on my handlebars. $30 a month for the chance to make the absolute best of those two things seems cheap. Meanwhile it's common place to spend tons of cash a month to waste your life away watching TV with hundreds of channels but nothing on thats actually good to watch.
There’s no Science to recovery it’s simply a pint of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream and a triple espresso and you’re good to go😂😂💪🏽🤙🏼
🤣
And/or just a pint
Two weeks away does a world of good too
So many people complaining in the comments about the price of the product and/or service. Please stop already. If you cannot afford it, don’t buy it. If you prefer a different product, just use that. Nobody is forcing you to make any purchases here. It’s like the people who cry that GCN doesn’t review low end bicycles. Guess what? Few people would watch it. The Mazda 2 is a great little economy runabout, but we all want to see Ferraris track tested not Mazda 2s. The same reason we want the scoop on Super Record EPS equipped Colnagos or E-Tap equipped S-Works Venges. Most of us will never get the opportunity to try these things for ourselves, and most of us cannot afford to buy them. So we enjoy learning about them through our beloved GCN presenters. Keep up the good work, GCN! #nocrybabies
Glad you enjoyed it Presta, each to their own!
What is the purpose of the glass of vodka on the right?
For purely recovery purposes
This needs to be expounded upon. They explain that reduced HRV is from stress and that stress can have many sources. But what do you do with that information? Not train at all that day? Train in a lower zone? I don't get to pick and choose when I have time to ride so I certainly wouldn't let an HR device keep me off the bike. In fact that's counter-intuitive since the bike IS my stress relief!
anyone who can simply describe this for me?
Constant cuts back to Si and Dan sleeping during the explanations alá the latest GCN show.
After watching this I still have no idea how it helps recovery. Her explanation isn't clear at all.
HRV is an indicator. I don't think they actually explained what to do with this insight. Basically, you need to monitor this data (ideally, 24/7) and then pay attention to patterns. If you use Garmin (or similar) fitness monitors (I use a Fenix 5 and a Forerunner 935) it will throw out scores based on algorithms (relationships between the various data streams that are recorded) and basically point out when you're not sleeping well or resting enough. What you can do about it is notice when you're not getting enough rest/sleep but also think about nutrition habits and timing. For me, sometimes I notice problems when I forget to drink enough water in the hours after long sessions and if I drink something like a soda in the middle of the day without a meal. This shows up as "erratic" heart rate "beat to beat" or "HRV" but also elevated HR-BPM (beats per minute) compared to normal (for you) and then you have to figure out what is happening. For me it also matters if I add protein to my breakfast (I tend to eat only a little since I start hard sessions within an hour of waking up). Since all of your exercise is also recorded it will flag you as overtrained or whatever. If not, you have to figure out what you're doing differently that is not recorded directly by your hardware.
Also, if you want to take a more detailed HRV test some of the better straps will do it (instead of filtering and averaging BPM it actually records the precise time of each beat) and create a FIT file for you to look at. The next step is getting an ECG from a cardiologist if you think you need it.
Thanks God I am not the only one.
'A team of geniuses doing hard work!'lol
I don’t see the humor in that
But if you say it with a low tone of voice it shows how serious you are.
Polar did that since some 20 years. There is free software out since 10 years. So what?
Dunce
Exactly. Plus all that sience from other endurance sports, burried in stuff like "Books".
I used Kubios and polar chest strap data a decade ago. Now I use elite HRV read from the light on my phone. If I want detail, i can plug the data into kubios or cardiomood. I'm not understanding the USP for whoop.
@@SuperCbode can you share a link to these things you call 'books'
30 years
Really interesting to hear all the data explained. Excellent job of describing what seems a very complex science.
Thanks Mail! It's certainly not simple!
Recovery for me means not riding the next day.
Hey Si, did you get all that? 😁 As a former news reporter: I salute you being able to conduct the TV interview AND absorb that AMOUNT of data from Whoop lady! Awesome. 👏🏼👍🏼👌🏻
So Whoop is like the worst motivation coach ever... You're HRV isn't good, you're going to be rubbish today 😅😅😅 I think I'd rather not know...
Or maybe just a message to take it easy, so you can be ace tomorrow?!
@@gcn Agreed but the ride is today and I don't have a team doctor or psychologist to help me work out what the problem is 😂 Sorry to be flippant, I did find this video interesting and the whole concept fascinating but surely data is only useful if you know what to do with it?
GCN-could you please clarify whether this is a paid advertisement for WHOOP. Thanks!
Waveguide obviously is
It says "AD" in the thumbnail.
Yes it is. In case you'd like to know where to look, there's AD in the thumnail, a disclosure in the description and the 'paid promotion' burn-in on the first few seconds of the video. Cheers!
there is a good app named elite HRV, what uses usual hr strap. good app for training plans and tracking fatique
Yeah I use that. Find it super useful and it's free!!!
Thanks will try this app, looks nice. I guess this is one good thing this video brought to me :)
I use Elite HRV too. I bought their CorSense device which also uses optical readings, but some mornings it struggles to give decent readings. Some Eli5e HRV users report better results with a Polar chest strap. I don’t recall the exact model.
Can you do more videos of the spinning bike training videos please? I’ve been doing all the spinning videos but noticed you guys didn’t post one in a while. Thank you.
We're doing some more soon, stay tuned!
Hated the price but ended up reshuffling my budget and went on the website to get it and it only gave the option of shipping to the US or Canada?? What's with all the marketing if you can't deliver. Very dissapointed. And the genius comment was just stupid.
ooop, the director of analytics for Whoop has the hots for Si! Get her HRV :))
Like, omg, sleep right? Like? So important? Like..
Arnie said, sleep faster!
Nerds
another gadget...Whopee!
Was it me or did anyone else’s heart rate go up when she talked?
Even she didn't understand what she was saying,,,,,,,.
That one time in band camp