Daniel Ricciardo’s three theories for why his McLaren F1 move failed
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- Daniel Ricciardo has finally been freed from the living nightmare that his McLaren move turned into.
Having had to leave the team one year before the end of his contract, Ricciardo recognises the significance of a comprehensive defeat at the hands of Lando Norris, the high-profile incompatibility with not one but two McLarens, and a pattern of underachievement despite that famous victory at Monza in 2021.
Ricciardo doesn’t shy away from what the last two years have exposed about him as a driver. And he has a few theories for why it’s gone this badly, and why Norris seemed immune to what Ricciardo suffered.
#F1 #DanielRicciardo #McLaren
00:00 Ricciardo set free
00:45 Theory 1
04:49 Theory 2
07:30 Theory 3
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Everyone says he should've never left redbull I think he should've never left Renault
Everyone says both things but nobody expected this failing. Can't blame Ric for that
Agreed
Agreed
I think he should never leave F2 or F3 !!!
I think if he stayed at renault/alpine he wouldve built on the confidence he had there and wouldve beaten McLaren
I think Ricciardo and McLaren have parted reasonably amicably because they’re both just genuinely sad that they couldn’t make it work and do accept that there’s blame to share with that. They’re just not compatible, and that’s a shame but it’s fine and best to not keep forcing them together
Ricciardo should've never left RB.
@@purwantiallan5089 he would get destroyed by Max, it’s better this way
Well now he got destroyed by Lando not sure if that is a better way or not
i mean there is a point where the driver needs to be at fault as well. if both of your great drivers are having issues then it's the car and if only one keeps coming short it's him. DR is a awesome dude but as far as being able to adapt and perform, that's another story. if he cannot adapt to the changes of the sport which are constant then he is a one trick pony.
@@ferst262 And he got humiliated by Lando Norris at McLaren oh and don't say what about Monza. Lando consistently scored more points than Ricciardo in his time at McLaren.
Kimi won races across V10s ('03/'04), no tyre change V10 ('05), V8s ('07/'08), slimmed down V8 ('09), Pirelli shod V8 ('13/'14), and Turbo Hybrid V6 ('18). Nearly won the Championship in a year old car ('03). Aged 23 to 39. That's a rather strong case for adaptability.
Yeah weird that they named Kimi in that list.
Not sure why you mention 2014 given Kimi was awful that season and did not win a race.
I am gonna take a shot in the dark and assume you meant to say (´12/´13).
i mean that first year of his career he drove in similar cars besides the ferrari from 07-09, which he was still very good in. his adaptability always is called into question because you need a super specific setup for Kimi to thrive in, rather than him being able to jump into a car and just be good. 2014-2016 was a prime example of this, and he really didn't get a hang of the hybrid cars until 2018.
@@gamefan56 you mean the season Ferrari made a car that both understeers and oversteers? The season Ferrari made the fuxking worst car they ever made in the thybrid era? You can't blame bad car on the driver.
@@thesnailshow8004 Yet fact is Alonso got some decent results in said shitty car. No matter how you slice it, Raikkonen had a awful season.
Its kind of crazy, Ricciardo is still the last driver to win a race that wasn't driving a Red Bull, Ferrari or Merc
Some would say that is ironic. Especially when you add that he is the only one since 2012 that has given Mclaren a win.
It's not that crazy
Lando sad noises
It’s been 1 season, and before he did it, Ocon had won as well. It’s not that deep
@@ferst262 its more showing once again how far back the 7 teams are again
I'm really impressed with his honesty and self reflection, it's very adult and shows that he has the potential to get on top of this problem.
Honesty is blaming that your teammate got a car built around him?
@@mrRTvids He never said that, and the video clarifies it. He only said that LN could adapt easier to the car, since even though it has changed with the new regulations, some elements of the car and its driving style still remains the same.
@@mrRTvids lol did you even watch the video, there's lot's of moments where he blames himself and 1 (one) (a singular) point where he says that the car being more suited to Norris could be a factor. You clown.
@@john_DT LN? Setsuna Yuki and Ai Miyashita and Ayumu Uehara AND Lanzhu Zhong all adapted their cars better than Ricciardo...
@@mrRTvids 👍
Daniel is a talented driver. His opportunity to be a champion has likely passed him by. If he gets another shot he may have to be satisfied accepting that and be satisfied with rediscovering his joy of driving and being an occasional podium finisher. Which is a pretty good racing resume and career at the end of the day.
Pretty good? Mate just being in f1 as a back marker makes your "racing resume" pretty good y'know it's not like you're one of 20 extremely privileged drivers in the most elitist fastest motorsport in the world
Ricciardo beat Verstappen and Vettel in the same car not that long ago, the Mclaren required a driving style that contrasts completely with how Ricciardo drives
The reason why Ricciardo beat Vettel was exactly why he struggled in that McLaren.
You cant really make a comparison like that in Sebs case in just one year, when the cars changed a lot that year as 2014 was the start of the hybrid era. Danny might not have beaten Seb again if he stayed and they figured out the new car etc. Also, he ran away from the fight with Max so dont know why you would bring up that example. but basically pretty simpleminded answer
Wym he beat verstappen, he was struggling to keep up with a 18 year old verstappen back when he left.
But I would say Vettel was in decline at that moment and from memory the regs has changed a bit like banned blown diffuser thing which Vettel was great in using taking advantage of.
And Verstappen was far from the driver he is today I mean Ricciardo was a veteran in RB and Max had only scrubbed the surface of his potential then. But sure it's his best feat so far and Ricciardo is a fast driver no doubt. Sadly his moves has really exploited him as a driver which I still find odd because if anyone could drive fast in any car I thought it was Ricciardo but man I was wrong.
@MPG in 2016 Max started the season with Toro Rosso, so you can't compare that season and Max won in 2018. He lost in 2017. But Max was only 18 and he got better race by race. He would have never beaten him if he stayed on but I still believe he would be better than Checo purely as a driver at Redbull. But I guess the Max Checo partnership works well now.
I dont think anyone could have predicted his season this year would go as bad as it did. But it just hurt to watch for the most part.
I love and respect the honesty of Daniel, rarely seen from and F1 driver...there are very few truly adaptable drivers, maybe alonso, hamilton are the most adaptable of the current drivers.
Well, the biggest factor for why the battle for 4th in the constructors even was close in the first place was mainly Alpine's reliability, or lack there of.
Not really. Lando and Ocon both had two DNFs, and yet, Lando finished ahead of Ocon. Fernando had more reliability issues, that's true. But still, he wouldn't have finished ahead of Lando. Fernando had 6 DNFs, with one being due to a collision with Mick S. Giving that Norris finished 40 points ahead of Fernando, Fernonado would have had to finish 5th in all these races to jump ahead of Lando. Problem is, Fernando only finished 5th only 3 times during the entire season. Bottomline: Lando would have beaten both Alpine drivers even if Alpine didn't have these reliability issues with Fernando's car.
Again Ocon had the same number of DNFs as Lando, but he finished 30 points behind Lando.
Ultimately I think this season with McLaren was doomed to failure for Ricciardo. Something about the testing problems they had with flow around the brakes, both drivers saying the car was difficult to drive, Ricciardo pointing out on more than one occasion that McLaren are making strange car characteristics say to me that there is something inherently flawed within the car design. McLaren will not get anywhere near the likes of Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes if they stick with these/this philosophy.
Agreed, even though Norris is a fantastic Driver, he really was not competitive against the top Teams, all season and it seemed to get worse as the season went on, so, as you say, I think the McLaren is just a dog of a car.
They haven't got a Manufacturer backed engine, they can't seem to get a well known Sponsor, and their chassis design has some flaws, I can only see them drifting down toward the tail end, the way they are going, such a shame for Norris.
Yep, they seriously need to review why their cars are so unique, as that’s always going to restrict driver options and ultimate pace.
I want Danny to shine in F1 again; he has so much to give in the right car(and the right strategy), and I hope he finds that.
he wont hes to old now
@@murphychris9811 Riccardo is the only driver outside of Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull to win a gp in the past two seasons.
He hasn't lost it.
@@3rdeye671 ocon won with alpine in 2021
@@hippityhoppity7816 sorry i stand corrected.
Thank you for the update.
I hope this makes sense.
I think based on what Daniel has said was that Lando has only driven McLaren cars. He hasn't moved teams. Daniel has been in numerous teams over the years. All Lando knows and his driving style was shaped around McLaren. If Lando goes to another team, he may suffer the same issues Daniel experienced.
Yes but I believe what Daniel was really saying was that Lando had no idea how good the car could be because he hasn't driven something better... possibly Lando would be much better in another car. I'm not a Lando fan but one might say that given what he's done with a car that even DR couldn't work with, he might be a world beater in a better car.
@@therestorationshop Hamilton hater here, yes I also must admit that Lando should be a generational talent in a better car. Also interesting was that the only other driver who seemed to get the most out of that McLaren was Alonso. How Alonso smashed Werlein was very reminiscent of Lando-Daniel.
Cheap excuse,2021 and 2022 have been 2 very different cars because of the rule changes! But still Lando demolished Daniel 2 years in a row... It's time to realize that Daniels time is over! Now he can enjoy himself doing the PR clown for Red Bull...
Seb said it best that Mclaren weren't able to extract the best out of DR. It's challenging since he's said himself he's not a technical driver, so it's difficult to translate the car's 'feel' to the engineers and more telling that the engineers aren't able to improve the car, even for Lando who is unhappy too. Take Checo as an example, who's now top 3 in the #1 car. Honestly, McLaren doesn't know what it takes to make a #1 and it's easier and cheaper to make the driver take accountability
For me, he underestimated how good Sainz and Norris were and though he’d be able to walk in and beat Norris easily. Then in 2021 we really saw how good Sainz and Norris are. They dragged the McLaren up, because McLaren keep making awkward cars
for you? are you not listening to anything that's been said?
Yet has anyone else won a race in a McLaren? Something Norris or Sainz have managed.
@paper plane agree.
apart from the fact that ricci finished ahead of both sainz and lando in an inferior car in 2020.
Great video , finally someone that has done some research and provided a proper analysis of the DR failure at McLaren (Y)
Ricciardo should've never left RB already.
@@purwantiallan5089 No... should never have left Renault.
Great video - thanks!
Excellent video. Comprehensive and interesting. Thanks a lot.
So basically what he said is he wants to drive an Adrian Newey car again because no one else knows how to make a car turn right lmao 😂
Adrian Newey wants Ric to drive for them in 2019 but Ric binned it.
@@purwantiallan5089 when they were praising Max and blamed Daniel for Baku incident im not surprised.
@@light4299 max is the golden boy as vettel was back in the day. they want to keep him happy. and yeah, that baku incident was imo 50/50. both of them were a bit risky.
@@HeavyMetalGamingHD a lot of people were talking it was more on max bc he moved to right and then to the left
Remember that warning Sainz said to Ricciardo on the way out regarding the handling of the car? Yeah, McLaren is partially at fault for developing such an engineering focused car and not a drivers car. It’s about feeling just as much and meeting technical requirements. Norris is just used to it and has never experienced another car unlike Carlos and Daniel
Spot on.
So both Sainz and Norris are better drivers and more adaptable in your view?
Well he had 2 years to adapt, and couldn't. Danny sees that that is the issue. Norris is not just used to it, he doesn't like it either and has stated he also struggles with it and wants to dial it out of the car but has to adapt for now
@@irishRocker1 He didn't have two years. They're two different cars and both of them behave differently with some core characteristics engineered into them. The MCL35 LM and MCL36 are different cars.
Lando says himself that all the McLarens he has driven lack front end which means that it is hard to get a time and it destroys front tyres so you quickly lose pace. These are not race winning characteristics so the car is just not good enough. Norris has only known this characteristic in F1 so works well with it, or at least better than Ricciardo. The unknowns are whether Ricciardo can still perform to the most elite level if he gets the chance to drive an elite car again. The other is whether Norris would be able to adapt to race winning car and get race wins if McLaren learns how to build one or he moves to a team who can.
I believe that the new facilities was a big reason that he left Renault. Maybe he was looking at building a long term role at McLaren that would have allowed him to see out his career with them, but it just didn't work.
i agree - i think they promised a lot they didnt deliver on
I think what it does show is that the red bull is actually a very different machine to the others. Also imagine what Norris will be like once he has gained Danny's experience. The fight and career tussells between Norris, Le Clerk, Verstappen and Saintz too hopefully going forward will be fascinating. With Porsche and Audi coming in and hopefully running at the front will hopefully open up the field for more challengers.
It could be interesting, Shane Molloy.
Russell v Norris for WDC would be awesome to see
It's definitely true that red bull is probably the best car under braking in the whole field. And Ric is possibly the best, latest braker in the field. Even moreso than Verstappen.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was that simple, since the machine itself is going to be unlike the one he last drove and he's not going to learn much about the feel, Aeero, chassis or weight distribution before getting in one.
@@pondracek He had complete confidence in the old Redbull. Its hard to imagine now. That's part of the problem.
@@pondracek Redbulls strength is not on braking. Its more the front grip. Ric actually brakes earlier on quali so he can rotate the car early and earlier on throttle. Quite similar to Max set up wise. Late braker is only on the race. Mclaren is very understeery. You need to brake deep and late into the corner, which Ric actually struggles.
I think it's fair to say Hamilton and particularly Alonso are a special breed in terms of adaptability. It remains to be seen how adaptable the likes of Verstappen and Leclerc will be over the longer term. Even the great Michael Schumacher struggled to adapt in the second phase of his career. All this is to say that I don't want to criticise Ricciardo too much for his struggles, as I think it's fairly normal, for even the best drivers, to have strong car preferences to maximise their performances.
What evidence is there showing Hamilton to be adaptable? Going from one top team to a car that's miles ahead of the competition is not being adaptable.
Saying Kimi Raikkonen is not adaptable is just an insult and should not be said by anyone that calls themselves experts
I love Kimi as much as the next F1 fan but he struggled with adapting to the revised Pirelli tyres back in 2013. He said they didn't suit his driving style. Plenty of reading material out there if you want to look.
Daniel doesn’t come across to me as a quitter. He gave it everything and it didn’t work. That hurts.
I think this is one of your best videos of the last few months. There was enough source material to develop an interesting analysis for a 10 minutes video. You have been producing some videos lately that could been 3-4 minutes videos and stretched them to 8 minutes by repeating things just for the ad money.
Ricciardo never liked McLaren for sure.
Both Renault & Mclaren seemed like solid moves at the time, (despite the risks of leaving a top team like RBR). Shame it never worked out for him but he took the chance that far less would have been comfortable with.
Here’s wishing Daniel much success and getting back into the starting grid. Maybe if Checo feels unwanted and leaves early he can get at least a chance and if it doesn’t work out then they can throw Alex back into the car. Yeah, no let’s leave it the way it is and keep Checo happy.
I... don't see that happening. He's a great guy, but he costs a lot of money for someone who has been handedly beaten by his teammate the last 2 years (and was beaten by Max his last year at RB).
Once you're "out" at RB, you're never getting back in. Albon and Gasly are solid drivers, but RB is a "1 shot only, because we have a ton of juniors who are cheap".
They don’t have juniors that can perform right now though.. quite a shallow pool in fact. Secondly, Ric adapted to a RBR car. Gasly and Albon didn’t.
I have a theory that they’re going to use him (or Checo if he gets out of line, which is doubtful he will to that extent) to sweeten a deal to sell off Alpha Tauri to either Porsche or one of the seemingly bunch of Billionaires who want an F1 team. Would you rather buy a team with Yuki (sorry Yuki, great guy, but just an ok driver unless he can get himself sorted out) and Nyck…. Or Nyck and Danny Ric? I’d personally like to see an Andretti Porsche with that second line up…. Not going to happen, but hey that’s why this is just a theory.
@@SeanMather next team must be a manufacturer.
He's a marketing tool at best. He is nowhere near Checo. The last RBR car he drove was 4 years ago in an old rule set.
@@buckshot904 he adapted back when the car was the clear 2nd best. Everyone looks good when they're in a car should be on the podium each race.
that was also 5 years ago, half a decade. personally, i think his performance has dropped off, the same way Vettel's did over the last few years, and how Hamilton's did this year.
norris is going to be amazing once mclaren builds a good car or he leaves for someone else. Ricciardo absoulutely has the talent, skill set and mentality to win again. Its a shame mclaren couldnt get it together to for both norris and ricciardo to succeed
Excellent breakdown
And yet, Sebastian Vettel said of Kimi Raikkonen that he's the biggest natural talent he's faced:
“Just in terms of raw speed, I think. And it shows in the car, obviously, but it shows also in any other form of car. I think switching - if there was a discipline of switching cars every day - after 10 days he would be lapping everybody else, just because he’s just a natural, it doesn’t take time to adapt to the car, to what the car requires. What the car asks him to do comes naturally to him. If you give him a steering wheel he knows what to do with it, in some situations for many drivers it is necessary to take measures, but for him it is natural”
Heh, I guess you armchair and trackside pundits know more.
In America football we got something called a system quarterback. DR is a system driver
100% this and 99% of the comment section has no idea what that really means.
I'd like to hear an analysis of his engineering team relationship.
Yep. Maybe next month.
Gets a year off, a huge payout and still liked by most. I wish I could fail up like Daniel did.
yes these people earn tons of money but most have passion for driving not money... they do feel awful when not achieving their goals. the feeling of betraying yourself and also maybe a feeling that their salary is not 100% earned. yet I do agree with you completely :) just felt I had to say this as I've got a huge passion for driving. I got a small fresh clip on my channel about some winter slides lol.
I think the main reason he hasn't jumped into a new seat is having to give up his 2023 Mclaren paycheck. Good analysis.
Good on him. McLaren's loss, they could've just designed a better car which both drivers can drive.
He will gets 50K
@@harrybirchall3308 yeah and they built a total shit of a car
Alternatives: McLaren's basic design approach isn't compatible with his driving style, as he's aging, he is becoming less flexible and adaptable, a common reality for humans
Think it’s important to keep in mind that ric didn’t participate in the last 3 days of testing before Bahrain 22 which would make perfect sense that Norris is more comfortable to the car and has been tweaked into his favour adding to this the massive contract lando got given would also be reluctant to change the car to a 50/50
Did you listen to Lando all year? He HATES the Car! Was Not at all suited to him, this was the first year I have seen Lando completely Depressed about Driving in F1! McLaren needs to pull its finger out & do something otherwise they will Lose Lando. Also, that Bahrain Test was not a test because of the brake problems, he couldn’t do more than 5 laps at a time. Lando basically got no running in the Test either…
@@Mandykiss4500 good point on test problems. If i remember correctly Lando did 5 more laps in two days combined then George during just one day.
Wow,one more excuse for Daniels failures... Fact is Lando destroy him 2 years in a row in 2 totally different cars because of rule changes to ground effect cars... Get team guys,Daniels F1 days are over!
Thanks!
The ideal brake trace on the shown telemetry looks like the classic way to drive an F1 car, getting the braking done before the corner, allowing steering to shave the rest of the speed off, then full acceleration as soon as you can. It seems a very odd failing for an F1 driver that Daniel couldn't do it. It must be more complicated than that.
@@harrybirchall3308 That's what the ideal trace looked a bit like. But it's so odd he can't change. I think it must be no testing and only pressure weekends. He needed a thousand laps away from cameras and without much data, just lap times, surely then he could've figured out what the car wanted.
i think it is a bit telling that mclaren has hired a rookie and is only flirting with indycar drivers. i think they realize a) their car is going to be difficult for a while so they need to lower expectations and b) better to start with a "blank slate" rather than a driver with expectations of how a car should behave
I remember sainz asking him if the car was weird in passing halfway thru his first ferrari interview
It's a combination of him not being as adaptable or frankly as quick as Lando. I doubt consistency is an issue because the 0.3-0.4s per lap gap has been the same all year.
I'll never forget how well this pairing could've went.
By his explanation it sounds like when you start to think about what you do instead of letting muscle memory and "instinct" do the job. Almost like a rookie or when you try to learn a new sport. And that makes very much sense in terms of his speed because when you start to think you lose time no matter the sport. Also when you are in that state you can't or aren't relaxed and your movement becomes stiff and not as fluid as they should be which also makes you a lot slower in all areas.
Sadly this has shown Ricciardo isn't championship material. I mean a champ will or should do good in any car given and to be fast in a car that suits you any driver on the grid would be.
Yep!
The Stages of Competence:
Unconscious Incompetence - Not even knowing you're not competent.
Conscious Incompetence - Knowing that you're not competent and/or what parts of the process need to be improved to achieve competence.
Conscious Competence - Competent but need to concentrate on the process to avoid errors.
Unconscious Competence - Able to carry out a risk competently without the need to concentrate on the process.
I've had similar experiences in sim racing. Hitting a wall and not knowing how to improve and trying to consciously change my style doesn't work. Often whats best is to put the game down and come back to it in a few days. By that time, the subconscious has processed all it learnt from the last session and often I'll find my performance has improved dramatically and I'm driving more on feel ( or the subconcious ). I think this is Ricardo's year as a reserve could really work for him.
Co.plegely disagree that Ricciardo is not "Championship material".
The evidence before the McLaren stint was that Ricciardo was a World Champion trying to find a championship winning car.
Whilst he would never have won at McLaren in the cars he was given, I think he has done enough in the sport to show that given the right car, he still could be.
Although he will need to perform very quickly if he gets another opportunity. He does not have another poor year in the sport if he wants to stay in it.
@@tigerpjm champion level drivers are often the most adaptable drivers on the grid. That’s why Alonso can hop between teams and always perform as good or better than his teammates in the same car. Riccardo just admitted to the opposite, so I’d say he isn’t.
@@aeneum6724
Because Fernando has won championships in... how many different teams.
Maybe Norris is just the greatest driver in history and the car just isn't very good.
Now this is a take that interests me
The greatest driver in history got beaten twice by Sainz. Seems about right to me 😎
@@HibiTeamQueso Don't forget that Lando was just a kid. Even Danny beat baby Max.
I know this is mainly an F1 channel. But since you do live streams of endurance racing and more... Would love to hear your take on romain grosjean being signed for the lamborghini hypercar team
Have people noticed how Sim Racers have a more natural ability with reacting to this type of car too. I know it is not real life etc. but having to react to a vision rather than a feeling on the track, do show with the sim racers, i.e Norris, Max, Charles and George. I am sure this does help. The simulators at the factory would be a much higher standard than what these guys would use at home in their sim-league racing.
Still no doubting Norris is a massive talent.
Giovinazzi was a master behind the simulator. How did that turn out?
@@PowellCat745 what type of simulator? The sim in Ferrari factory yes, I am talking about on line. The best sim driver react visually. They are chalk and cheese,
As for Gio he obviously had no real fear on the track he was fast but not controlled, like he had a reset button or something. But maybe I never explained it clear. It is just something I have noticed in a few different categories that these sim racers have amazing car control.
It needs to be eventually paired with "in real life" though, as irl just more variables. The top F1/iRacing/ACC sim racers can beat Max/Lando/Charles, but put them all in a Porsche Cup car (even playing field) and the F1 guys will run away easily.
Sim racing _does_ help a lot, I'd imagine, in a few ways. Qualifying pressure. Being in race-like scenarios (defending a lead/chasing someone down/overtakes in similar equipment), but most importantly, being able to do the same exact thing over and over and over like a metronome. And then there's track knowledge. Ricciardo is a decade older than Norris, but Norris probably has 1000x more laps on a sim than Daniel does already. It adds up over time.
This man really put Ricciardo in the same group as Kimi, Jenson and Seb 😟
You must be new to F1
@@paperplane1471 but that's the point of this video where ric is equally with seb and kimi with adaptable
I wonder if drivers like Danie are missing out on exposure to sim racing - the new gen can get so much more practice by their time on their own sims.
Its sad that it didnt work out for Danny, but this now shows how they actually tried to work it out but just couldn't. Hopefully now people will understand that him leaving was for the best for both parties and stop acting like someone just punched their kid.
Ricciardo really exemplifies the Driver + Car argument and how it's not just the car that wins the race or just a drivers pure ability. They have to meld to be effective and if the driver can't be quick in the car he's given, due to it's mechanical nature, it doesn't mean the car is bad or the driver is bad, they just don't work together. Sure you can argue that a great driver should be able to adapt his driving style to suit the machinery, but we're talking about muscle movements at speeds of 100+mph, 2-4 G's of force and a timeframe of 1 second. Human's can't just change impulses like that on a whim. All this to say, I bet Lewis and Max would even struggle to win if they swapped cars for a season.
I hope he comes back to racing in 2024
Maybe it’s an oversimplifcation but I think where seeing a paramount shift in driving styles between the older gen (vettel, ham , Alonso …) and new driver like max Charles and lando, all of which are far more capable of adaptation than their older counterparts, (ham is a bit of an unknown here, since during his merc stint he’s always been lead)
They're also younger.
I don’t know I think it’s a bit misleading. They were driving in cars with pretty consistent design philosophies for 15+ years, so switching to a COMPLETELY different car is gonna be a lot more difficult than if you’ve only been driving the old gen for 3-4 years.
A paramount shift... did you mean a paradigm shift? Just "a shift" would have done the job, tbh.
"You're driving in a reactive state" pretty much described Sainz' driving style lol
Lanzhu Zhong also has the same driving style like Sainz.
Yet sainz is fast…
@@Marcushalberstram749 Sainz was also in the 2nd fastest car on the grid...
@@purwantiallan5089 who
The differences are so minute goes to show the differences between success and failure are a thin line
This is just great.
even now, after only one month, he is being almost forgotten.
So he went from being a number two driver to a number three driver
What Daniel needed the most was someone to give him good advice. He left Red Bull at the peak of his performance to go to Renault, and then leave Renault to go to McLaren. One bad decision after the other. If he has an agent he should fire that person ASAP.
@TheRace Where is Aramco Pre Season series?
How come Norris being genuinely 4-5 tenths faster isn’t even an option? Dude gets no credit for finishing DR’s career 😅
Driving style and car concept never were meant to work
I think it's so funny that people make excuses for him and I honestly have never seen another driver doing as badly as Ric and getting defended by fans as much as he has been the last 2 years... The hypocrisy from F1 fans is next level bs...
They should have tried the same car but with Red Bull livery.
It takes a brave & strong person to be that honest about his own pros and cons. Kudos Danny Ric.
RIC has a lot of natural talent, hence his approach to driving is more instintive and less technical. This is his main weakness imo. Without a distinctive technical approach it is much harder to figure out whats going wrong. It also limits the info RIC is able to give to the team for setting up the car in his favour. It's not a coincidence that a lot of prior champions not only had talent, but were also great technicians, strategist and analysers. Prost most likely had less talent than Senna, but his technical approach(he was called the professor for a reason) made up for that so he also won four titles during his career.
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I'm sure part of it was his side of the garage, too often Lando was happy with the car while Daniel had no grip and there were days where there was nothing between them, not a consistent gap. It's also unfortunate that the days he was set to have his best races like at Imola things went wrong so the points difference was made even worse.
He was also derailed by several McLaren strategy calls leading up to the mid-season break too - the team orders on Lap 8 in Azerbaijan, when McLaren had Norris on the wrong tyres probably took the cake. He likely would have ended up P5 in that race had they let him straight through to attack Alonso (who was also on the wrong tyres).
No grip is almost "i dunno the real reason of what's gone wrong" this time.
Carlos Sainz said the Mclaren was a hard car to get the hang and it didn't help Ricciardo that the FIA brought in changes to car design in 2021 and again in 2022 but the main thing I think was the rule change to the cars breaking system that is a main thing with his late breaking style of driving just the opposite to Vertappens early breaking style
He only breaks late when passing. He’s pretty early on the brakes normally
5:18 - uh, why is the Halo absolutely knackered?
throwing seb in to that list is some nonsense, he drove AT to the peak, RBs to the peak, the ferraris he drove them well but then they just couldnt make a good car and then lost to charles having a poor season/no confidence, probs knew the BTS with kimi and that he was on his way regardless, then drove that aston to places it shouldnt go
Tis a worry that no solutions were found on both sides, remember Daniel was able to get the Renault/ Alpine to work for him!
destroying ocon along the way
@@1greenMitsi when team worked for him and treated Hulkenberg and Ocon like #2 drivers.
@@p0werfu11 ohh boohoo
The Renault was an inferior version of RB. They both had the same charecteristics, Renault was rougher. Ricardo fine tuned it to get the performance out that McLaren was just plain weird and thank God Seb didn't go to McLaren after 2020.
IMO Danny Ric was right to leave RB considering how they treat Perez but leaving Renault was idiotic. He should've tried to build the team around him and who know maybe he would've gotten them much closer to P3 that way.
Daniel's 2020 at Renault might be one of his most impressive seasons yet when placed in context of car performance. I honestly think pandemic derailed his career - late start to season meant he had to decide whether to bail on Renault before the season even began. Wasn't unreasonable choice at the time given how terrible they were in 19. If Danny has a chance to make that decision even just midway through the 2020 season he would have seen how Renault was finally coming together around him and stuck it out, and probably been the king of the midfield to this day if not more.
Anyone saying “should have never left Red Bull” only needs to look at how Checo has been treated recently to see why he left. RIC scored more championship points than VER in both ‘16 and ‘17, so he wasn’t exactly dominated like some try to make out. Danny realised that Max is RB’s golden boy and he wouldn’t be treated equally in future seasons. Just look at how they handled the collision in Azerbaijan (Max moving under braking) for proof of that.
This.
Max had a habit of moving under braking back then.
@@reynaldiwidjaja277 Moving under breaking was (and very well might still be) one of the main moves Max did (does). Just in the last 2 years, he has had a good enough car so he doesn't have to do those kinds of things. Max's style has always been "if you want to avoid collision then YOU have to do something about it because I'm not going".
Him leaving Renault was a bigger mistake I think.
Max was a child who didn’t have a real world drivers license… and it’s not like he smoked Max they both won around the same amount of races…
@@reynaldiwidjaja277 most of the drivers still did back then, there weren’t such strict rules against it like now
Great video. As a slightly over defensive Australian everything said was fair and you gave him credit where it is due!
Ricciardo just isn't ignorant. He gave a very reflective comment on this in an interview last season about why Lando's doing well and he isn't. Lando's thriving as he's ignorant about the car, "ignorance is bliss", DR's driven multiple different F1 cars for over a season each, Lando hasn't. Where Lando says the car came alive, DR said he just couldn't feel that or see that because of what he knows and knows how to feel.
I mean, in 1997 Gerhard Berger and Jean Alesi had the Benetton B197, a championship winning car but both struggle since it was made to fit Schumi's driving style. They had a good car but they couldn't adapt enought to win races, except the German GP I think when Berger was just in the zone.
Edit: My point is: Even the legends have weak points, nobody's perfect.
McLaren, with so much money, so much resources, make a car that is unpredictable, is so sad. They should be fighting for podiums, and now they are often struggling in points in most races. I mean Lando could deal with it, but they are still no where near in winning races.
For Daniel Riccardo, he has literally no future there. Even he performs well, he will still be just getting few points, so what is the point. I mean Lando should consider leaving there too, and may be join Mercedes. May be he could battle George Russel, and win a championship. Yes, lewis need to retire first.
Diff slip strength under engine braking is too strong compared with other cars. Causing unreliable trail braking.
I have spent hundreds of hours in Assetto corsa competizione and still can't get good performance out of the Porsche 911, no matter how hard I try. Me and Ricciardo are more or less the same, I feel you brother.
if you have a driver like ricciardo who is known to be a race winning driver, who at the time drove in a race winning car, you would think matching the new car to the driver would end up with the same race winning characteristics as the other car.
Still the only one to win a race for Mclaren for ten years.
Lol describing Vettel as a 'Second class driver' is the worst take I have ever seen
If I was in DR's position Id do the same thing. Go to Red Bull and see how far off Max's times you are. Basically he's been really good in every other car so he needs to see if he's lost it. Being the character he is, I'd say he'd be the first person to acknowledge if he's lost the edge or not. This year will be his reckoning. If he comes close or even beats some of Max's sim times then game on. If he doesn't he will quietly fade away.
Champions and future champions all have a dark side. Danny doesn’t.
Teams developing cars purely around data is such a bad idea. Yeah, on paper that should be the fastest, but no human driver will be able to drive the car the same way the testing determines. So teams have to give more value to their drivers' inputs if they want to get the most out of their cars.
Ideally they would develop their testing to simulate how their drivers drive and the data would then be more in line with what their drivers can do, but that's a very difficult, expensive, and untapped (at least in the world of racing) method.
I'm pretty sure no one minds a bad car as long as it's fast, it's the driver's job to make it work.
No point in feeling good when you are 2 seconds behind everyone 😂
There should be a balance and there probably is but data is #1 priority
Data or not, if the lead driver shows that the car can do a laptime, it is up to the second driver to match it as it is clearly possible for the car to do that laptime!
Why would they make a car that you have to 'Stab the brakes to find pace.' sounds like the engineers absolutely binned the car design.
There's a lot of really loud bumps into the microphone throughout the video that are really uncomfortable to listen to with decent audio gear. Great content but if you could be a bit more aware not to do that going forward it would be even more super! Thanks! :)
Has anybody seen his seat fitting video? You can see from the start he never got the best first impression…
Yeah, I actually thought about that yesterday when I saw George Russell do his 2023 seat fitting. George as focussed on the fitting, and it seemed like he was telling them what to do. Daniel was in some way uncomfortable in the seat and with everything, but he didn't' tell them. I had the feeling it was because they were filming him. It probably isn't a good idea to start filming someone as they are just meeting people. Obviously I'm not saying this was the main cause of anything. It just looked like a bad start.
Do you remember when Cyril Abiteboul said Daniel was quite shy and it took him a long to understand Daniel? I do remember Daniel having a dummy spit about them calling him Dan. I am not Dan my name is Daniel over the radio…
He’s similar to Verstappen and needs the car that can turn in with the front.
I’ll tell you why, because the McLaren concept didn’t suit him. Adrian Newey said in his engineering book that the team needs to make sure that the car suits both drivers, not just one.
Theory 4 - McLaren's pedal box. Their brake pedal looks completely different to any single seater I've ever seen.
You keep downplaying Vettel in all of your videos but somehow you forget that he won with a TR (+pole), was unbeatable in RB and was very very close to Ham (and clearly better than Kimi and Bottas) in the 2 years Ferrari was competitive but still worse than Mercedes.
What should this man have done for you to give him the respect he deserves?!
id be surprised if it was not lining up on the grid next year with chico in the reserve position. redbull have the money.
It would have been nice seeing Ric fighting for the championship in 2021 and 2022.
Max getting a better treatment and the reliability issues made him leave.
He could have fought even with that in mind.
Tbf nobody expected the McLaren move to end like this
are you smoking crack
Its worth noting that alot of Ricciardo's success came in Renault powered cars. I won't say its a huge contribution (and it probably isn't) but remembering how Red Bull designed its car under Newey to maximize the Renault engine and obviously the Factory Renault Team doing something similar even if not to the same success, I'm left wondering if that habit has to an extent always revolved around that one engine with the amount of wins he got in the Red Bull and the podiums he got in the Renault.
Reminds me of Vale at Ducati.
No way he's in the same group as Kimi and Jenson, they NEVER struggled like this, maybe Seb.
Kimi struggled like this in 2014
Kimi and Button got destroyed by Alonso just as much as Ric by Lando
Kimi had a terrible 2008 season, constantly beaten by Massa.
Seb struggles a few times with the Ferrari, yes. But he was ultimately their leading driver getting constant podiums every season.
@@kaiofragoso When his car mysteriously failed numerous times...
Almost as if they needed an excuse for him to leave...
Why is no one talking about why McLaren have produced two duff (ish) cars on the bounce? Even Lando has said how difficult the 22 car is to drive. Why is there no chatter about why the designer hasn't been forced out and let Ricci take the fall for the poor performance?
That's the McLaren way my friend. We were lied that 2015-2017 was Honda's fault.
We got proven wrong both by RB and by McLaren.
1 championship in more than 20 years must feel pretty nice
Mclaren havent produced a good car since pre-hybrid era. Lewis went to merc for a reason….. he knew what was coming, and there were enough signs of it before then too.
"why the designer hadn't been forced out"?! McLaren acquired James Key from Toro Rosso at great effort and are pleased with Key's efforts. Why should Key take the fall when McLaren believe Ricciardo is the one underperforming (rather than Key) and they believe Piastri can do better than the 25% of Norris' points which Ricciardo managed? Ricciardo negotiated a deal where he can find a drive elsewhere if he wishes, so he is welcome to race for a different F1 team in 2023.
@@TassieLorenzo Because Key worked on developing the 19 car, designed the 20 & 21 cars (the 21 car wasn't a bad car but was the end of 6\7 years of development) and the 22 car was a turkey in comparison to the 21 car. It looked good in pre season, then was undriveable in race conditions
Because despite that Riccardo has still underperformed what the car is capable of.
class driver!! and top bloke! he should be driving on the grid at a top team! not his fault he went backwards at Mclaren who have been hit and miss for years. Hopefully he gets some drive time at red bull doing practice sessions, and developing the car. Real shame though he should of stayed and battled with Max, who knows maybe Ric would of been a 2 x times world champ now? dont blame him for leaving though, RB favoured Max and offered him a far bigger salary?