ahha captain buggy has played you too? hes actually pirate king level but plays it off as if hes weak, dont forget when he spoke down to shanks, he let his true power slip out for a moment. Captain Buggy i will follow you to the ends of the earth
@@deity4919 U are underestimating buggy just cause he likes to joke. He can't be that weak. Maybe u have one or two members stronger but not all of them
I dont think any member of his crew can even beat him. Think about it lol luffy just sent him flying but he was fine with his parts everywhere lol and still alive. He is buit different and lucky.
@@seanallwang3290 What are you talking about? There is no reason to think Jimbei was stronger than Fisher Tiger back when he was in his crew... Sure he is now, but back then... how do you know?
Could you imagine the bloodlust Oden would feel when Teach pops up? Knowing that Teach is the one who got his little brother and son of his former captain, locked up? Teach would be fucking dead. WB wouldn't get a chance to fight Teach.
@@GabrielLopez-mo2xo Honestly it would be funny since Whitebeard wouldn't try to stop him as he did for Ace. He would be like go ahead. Also, it would be pretty funny given the fact I could see Oden just jumping off the ship and swimming to find Blackbeard.
If Oden beats Kaido then it is not far fetched to assume that when Blackbeard kills his nakama to steal the Yami Yami no mi Oden would still be 2nd division commander, so it would be him that chases after Teach, and he would fold BB, so Marineford wouldn’t happen at all.
If Oden lives and stays on WB's ship a lot of the story would be different. Just for the sake of argument let's say up to Ace's capture is still canon and Oden comes into the picture.
Considering the esteem that Kaido holds Oden’s power in to this day, the fact that Oden immediately severely wounded Kaido before being tricked and caught off guard, and considering that in a one on one fight it is said that Kaido is the most powerful, it’s not an exaggeration to say that if Oden were still alive and given the same amount of time to get more powerful he would be at least an equal to Kaido as the strongest in the world.
@@bennogb5069 no i think shanks is barely above oden orrrr either equal / just below Raleigh & definitely below Roger & WB. Kaido is probably tied with Shanks or they trade off in strengths and weaknesses of individual stats. As in they aren’t equal but they’re relative to eachother in diff aspects of strengths & weaknesses. Nobody alive would be Roger (Pirate king Level?) & Raleigh is probably Yonko level. I think Kaido and Raleigh would be close or relative bc Roger being PK means he clears ALLLLL rivals and means his 2nd in command gotta be Yonko level. His 3rd in cmnd gotta be right above 1st commander lvl bc Oden hurt Kaido. There’s much more to this thought but I’m too high to function rn lilbro lol
After 1007 i think even if they have the most powerful crew alive they sinergy is such a garbage that Big mom(Every one respect's Katakuri in crew) or Blackbeard (i might be giving him to much credit) is more of a threat as a team
I always took Blackbeard talking about haki as Oda implying he has haki skills we haven't seen. Even Shanks the haki god as some people call him in the community said he was not careless when he got the scar from blackbeard and that it aches... So I look at blackbeard as a very capable haki user
Yeah, he also talked about Luffy's haki in Jaya, just by looking at Luffy. Most translations didn't call it Haki there but "spirit" or similar things cause Haki wasn't a thing yet, but in Japanese it's Haki.
I heard a theory that it was actually Observation Haki, as Luffy could see through his weird body and see "them" in Blackbeard, this would be the only Haki BB would've presenced in Luffy so far
@@Bronieb94 with Momo being older and stronger, I don't think she would have a need to pick up a sword. Also since Momo was born on Whitebeard's ship he wasn't given a sword. But growing up in Wano I think somebody would've forged him a couple swords of his own. They would also have the ninja as part of their forces.
Oden also seems like he would be one of the best fighters in a war type battle even besides strength. An admiral just knocked Marco away for a few seconds, and then they see Oden running 100 mph right at them.
@@BlackHood_1 I don’t really see why lol. There was a bunch of stuff in that chapter that was kind of bad, like the majority of the waiters siding with Chopper because he saved a few of them from the Ice-Demon virus and Monster Point being able to damage Queen ffs, but I honestly don’t have a problem with Hyogoro still being alive or the Oden thing. The only reason Hyogoro wanted to die was because he was going to become an Ice-Oni, and it’s not like his character arc is actually complete yet. I HEAVILY doubt that that’s the real Oden, too. What with the fact that Hiyori/Toki are nowhere to be seen, all the lights are on, he has both his swords back somehow, he’s not injured from the boiling pot/he hasn’t aged at all, and Oda has never brought a character back from a flashback, either (aside from Sabo).
If Oden was around for that long, he'd be around Yonko level, everyone is getting bodied at Marineford, Akainu is getting diced up and boiled. If WhiteBeard is stronger than Big mom, it's gonna be horrifying, the tag team of Oden and Whitebeard would level Marineford.
True and Whitebeard could have played the commander role for longer with Oden charging the Admirals. He could have even stopped Squard in time if he was near Whitebeard. He might even be the one fighting Akainu. If so Akainu would definitely get destroyed, and at that point Garp probably have to get involved. At that point they probably stalemate until Luffy saves Ace. Whitebeard was still the strongest Yonko he just couldn't use his haki consistently, because of the sickness he had. If he didn't have the sickness messing with his haki plus having Oden with him, it would be a terrifying time for the marines.
Oden was already yonko level when he died. The narrator stated he was equal to the worlds greatest pirates upon his return, meaning he was already on WB/roger level against kaido. Hence why he overpowered Him. Had oden survived, he’d undoubtedly be the worlds strongest swordsman, and would likely be even stronger than WB was. Marineford would get smoked
Oden would be in his prime at marineford unlike Wb. Oden would be yonko level or near. No way Akainu would be able to hurt ace with Oden guarding him. Blackbeard ain't getting past Oden unless wb orders Oden to retreat as well after rescuing ace.
@@anonymous2964 oden was already on the level of roger & WB when he fought kaido. Stated by the narrator and implied by both kaido and the vivre card book. At marineford, he would be the worlds strongest swordsman, not mihawk, and he’d be more powerful than WB was in prime. He’d be the strongest at marineford without a doubt. Off principle oden would annihilate Blackbeard for what he did to ace. Even if WB protested. Blackbeard would have no chance. And WB wouldn’t have died at marineford.
One thing being forgotten in the Shogun scenario: Whitebeard’s side enters the battle with LOADS of kairoseki armaments due to Wano’s forges. Just how a lucky hit with seastone neutralized Marco at a vital moment, an Admiral could get downed at a critical point in the battle.
@@ritzroldennalpajora4742 I think they would have tried anyway for the symbolism. I think everyone assumed Ace would be the leader of the new gen of pirates Oden spoke about so they were gonna kill the new gens hopes in its infancy which is why it was worth all that potential death to save ace. Nobody realised it was gonna be luffy instead. Library of ohara has a great vid related to it if your interested.
He also forgot how strong will Momo be at the age of 26, under the guidance of Oden and the scabbards? nahh if he really has Oden's absurd genes then it's finito for the Marines.
Its cus he reads spoilers and lies about it. After he reads them he gets video ideas to do just so he can be like, ya I called it from the beginning...
Oden at age 27 was whitebeard's strongest commander and arguably the 3rd or 4th strongest active pirate at the time , You're telling me he grew up to be 57 and had a chance to grow mentally and physically ? Yeah everyone on marine ford is getting mopped including Akainu Ace isn't dying
The thing is Oda didn’t even know oden existed because he pulled him out of his ass. He’s writing as he goes. Crazy how someone who traveled with WB and Roger was never mentioned
I feel like if oden never went back to wano and just stayed a pirate he would have like a 4.5b+ bounty. He knows every thing about the world due to finding the one piece. He would also go back to the whitebeard pirates and wouldn't just keep low like reiligh (don't know how to spell it). AND HE CAN READ PONOGLIGHS!!!
about Oden vs Mihawk, let me just say: 1. regardless of Which of them would have the title of greatest swordsman, they would both want to fight each other (although Mihawk might choose not to fight, the same way he refused to fight shanks, if he had history with Oden) 2. Oden, who had his swords since he was a child died at the age of 39 with neither if them being a black blade while Mihawk, who didn't have Yoru at Rogers execution, made it a black blade at some point before the age of 41. 3. if turning their swords to a black blade is indicative of their power level then pre-time skip Mihawk was stronger than Oden at his death. An older Oden is a different story but it also means Mihawk wouldn't stop training if he wasn't the strongest and most likely would turn to Oden for duels after shanks lost his arm. This is just my opinion but i think they would be on the same level if Oden didn't die. feel free to disagree.
I think your massively underrating Oden if you think an old sick wb is stronger than him especially if the only reason is the captain has to be stronger than their subordinates, people don’t have to follow someone based on only their strength it’s wb heart that made people wanna follow him so id argue that he could still be the captain while being physically weaker than Oden but Oden follows him because of his respect and not strength. Also just because wb has Oden on his crew doesn’t mean bro is just gonna be able to dodge the cancer or whatever bro got😂😂
I agree with you that somebody shouldn't just be stronger cause they're captain and i don't think Oden being alive would've had any impact on WB's health. I think KoL is underestimating Old Whitebeard. Dude TKO'd Akainu and had BB in position where it looks like he was gonna get beat too if his crew didn't jump. And most of the dmg WB took was due to his handicap minor heat attacks. I think even with that handicap, Old WB still has crazy bursts of attack and heart that can down any character. That said, I have prime Oden at top tier level (admiral/Yonkou levels). By this i mean he can beat any character, but also get beat. It's circumstantial depending on what other factors are there during the battle.
the matchups I am seeing in this situation is that as a commander: whitebeard - sengoku oden - akainu marco - kizaru jozu - aokiji vista - mihawk necomamushi and inuarushi just wrecking places. or one of them fights doflamingo. or two of them. either way sengoku is forced to join and cannot make tactics. or lead the rest of the marines. and it will cause a lot more destruction for marines. even of the somewhat win their losses would be much more to even worth it. as a shogun: a stronger scabbards is devastating for marines. denjiro is strong and this time so would be kinemon. who can maybe deal with akainu. whitebeard - sengoku denjiro and kinemon - akainu ashura doji and marco - kizaru kawamatsu and jozu - aokiji oden - mihawk (this would be an onslaught for both sides since both are going serious or even all out) rest of the scabbards and commanders are just wrecking the vice admirals( except garp and tsuru) a prospered wano and zou means more much better quality fighters. meaning better minks, like the 3 musketeers and 3 top guardians.( so pedro is alive) and the chance of yakuza bosses also joining the fight which means a still somewhat prime boss hyogoro can join. a better trained group of ninjas can easily sneak in the marine HQ and sabotage all defenses, or even turn them against the marines, and because sengoku is forced to fight actively, he cannot divert his attention to any of this and marines could get disoriented. and of you really let zunisha join, I wouldnt be surprised if sengoku straight up surrenders. because that is a wipeout.
Honestly the only problem with this is, I dont think Oden would’ve stayed with the Whitebeard pirates for all that time and he would’ve just chilled in Wano after a while
@@Shoddragon No im saying he would still go to Marineford but to think he is gonna stay with WB pirates for 20 years its crazy he doesnt have that personality and will end up having to change Wano
@@hrhnicholasable People discredit KOL bc they're salty about his takes on Zoro and Sanji, honestly the man is very biased but his powerscaling is generally good. Also he did the top30 before Enma thats the only reason why put Zoro lower, as he didnt have any YC+ feats before that, while the RS was showed to be able to tank Yonko named attacks, so I guess that's where he was coming from.
In the what-if situation where Sabo is at Marineford Oda hints that it would be enough to tip the scales in whitebeard's favor and Ace would escape. That's JUST Sabo. If Shogun Oden is there + the Scabbards (admiral attention across the board) + the entire Mink army (easily fodderizes 80% of the marines in terms of strength) you're looking at a situation heavily in Whitebeard's favor where his orders control the pace of the war. Assuming he doesn't get that sneak shot from Squardo we're looking at a Whitebeard who not only has a massive numbers and strength advantage, but he also is fresh and gets to use his devil fruit to the maximum of it's ability. Simply put Marineford most likely sinks into the ocean.
@@MillenniumEarl014 hell yes, sabo was already immensely strong from training by dragon, he'd fill in for the parts others couldn't. His haki was already advanced so blocking akainu would've been a synch, especially hurting akainu
lmao akainu solo'd the entire wb pirates. You're assumption that sabo could tip it in wb's favor is laughable. WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NONE OF THE TOP TIERS FROM MARINE SIDE GOT DAMAGED? THEY BARELY EVEN TRIED. heck GARP CAN SOLO WB. MIHAWK CAN SOLO ODEN. rest of the admirals/sengoku foderize the WB pirates
He should do this at the end of the arc after we've seen the full extent of each of the officers powers including Kaido (hybrid forms and special attacks)
Bro what about Momo? In this scenario, Momo would grow up and learn from his dad - basically becoming the 2nd coming of Chaden. I guess he would stay in Wano to protect it but he would be in his early 20's (around Ace's age). There is no way Momonosuke wouldn't be so much stronger.
Oden with the WB Pirates is a complete reversal situation easy clap. Like Oden not dying and instead continuing to grow more powerful the entire time, you're left with another Yonko level individual who isn't sick and old like Whitebeard, who's still a monster despite those factors. Going off of that means if Oden is the shogun that Kaido is almost certainly not a factor any more which means Shanks doesn't get delayed going to Marineford which means you have THREE Yonko level combatants going into the fight not even taking into account their crews which are also completely stacked with Marco, Vista, Jozu, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Beckman, Yassop, Lucky Roux, Denjiro, Ashura Doji, and the rest of the Scabbards. Then you throw PTS Luffy, Jinbe, Ivankov, and Crocodile showing up as well? Plus Hancock switches sides still and Mihawk steps down because he won't fight Shanks? I'm sorry but when you put Sengoku, Garp, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Kuma, Doffy, Moria, and Smoker as your lineup against THAT, they don't stand a chance even with all of the Admirals. You can even include Mihawk in this situation and they still hard lose. Oden or Shanks absolutely can compete with this greatest swordsman. Whitebeard's side is just WAAAAAAAAAAY to stacked in this situation.
Bruh if any of you thinking mihawk could defeat oden then you're absolutely wrong. My man almost defeated kaido if it wasn't for orochi's dirty trick. Oden is strong strong enough to be admired by both Gol D Roger and Whitebeard in his prime. He was a commander on Whitebeard's ship, then accompanied Roger and went to Raftel. We also got to see Oden's determination to save his subordinates. Oden wielded the Ame no Habakiri, and Enma. Both extremely powerful swords. He himself was one of the best swordsman of his time.
Luffy cant use haki when hes tired and thats why ace couldnt when he was free, if oden is in the crew then ace would probably be challenging him daily they would be mad vibing
I agree and love the fact that KOL is making sense when he says whitebeard is the weakest yonko, DUE TO AGE, ILLNESS amd AMD NOT TAKING BETTER CARE OF HIMSELF💭
If Oden didnt die and was allowed to continue his growth, I would have him prob top 1. I think if he went to Marineford with his boys to help WB that they wouldn't win but Ace and many Wb pirates dont die. They would be able to escape too. The red scabbards would be way stronger if Kaido vs Oden never happened. Oden would be able to continue training them and they wouldnt lose 20 yrs of training. They are basically a Yonko crew
Kaido is currently the strongest among all living things. If Oden grew at the same rate, that title would currently belong to him. Especially since the only permanent scar Kaido got was by Oden, despite it confirmed that he fought Xebec, Whitebeard, Roger, and Shanks.
Everything you said is straight facts 👏🏾👏🏾 Oden being alive is a strength multiplier for everyone. Whitebeard probably would have been even hungrier and actually actively trying to be the pirate king instead of standing before the throne. was literally going to comment too that if the minks stood with white beard the entire time then go back to Zou, zunisha is going to be docked right next to wano
@Goku beats Sanji Wait, so the nine red scabbards aren't swordsmen.... because they're samurai?? And you can't be a swordsman if you're a prince or ruler of a province? What are you even saying lol
@Goku beats Sanji You know what? You can think what you want to think lol. I've seen you commenting on a few threads and it's definitely not worth explaining anything. I think what I think, you think what you think and we can go about our days.
@Boogy Ah this, I agree with. They are not the same but you can be both and I'd argue samurai are almost always swordsmen. It comes as part of the culture/practice. I was disagreeing with someone saying that oden is not a swordsman because he's a samurai, which makes no sense. In my mind, in 95% of cases being a samurai automatically makes you a swordsman, but being a swordsman does not make you a samurai. As you said, plenty of people use swords and could call themselves swordsmen, but those same people could not call themselves samurai. Oden is obviously both though
@@MrKangorilla you handled this situation well. I would’ve bugged out and thought to myself how can one be so ignorant but yeah you’re right. A samurai can also be a swordsman majority of the time, but a swordsman cant be a samurai it’s different.
Mihawk most likely would challenge Oden and ignore Vista. Mihawk would 1v1 one of them just to show the government he’s helping out. He’ll have to try harder but he still won’t put his life on the life imo (for the government) unless he’s fighting Oden to test himself.
We really should be considering whether Shanks and the Red Hair Pirates would become actively involved because of their Captain's very positive bond with Oden.
im not sure about actively involved but they’ll still pullup. Just in time like before but instead nobody dies because Oden&Momo&Inu/Neku are also of an addition.
I think Akoiji did it like Katakuri vs luffy when luffy has punched Katakuri with haki but the punches still has going threw his body. Akoiji may have seen this attack from whitebeard before and used his devil fruit to make a hole in his chest so the weapon from Whitebeard will go threw him
Considering how eagar Oden is to battle, I reckon he'd be the first one to actually challenge Dracule Mihawk to a duel. Mihawk responds the same way he did with Whitebeard (Launching a giant slash towards the ship) but instead of Jozu blocking the slash, it would be Oden using a Haki Slash from Enma to equalize it. The world is stunned by Oden's display or strength, being able to casually cancel an attack from the "World's Strongest Swordsman" with his own. Whitebeard would boast, saying Oden is more that a match for Mihawk. Ace goes from being worried to having more confidence knowing that Oden here to back up Whitebeard along with the other commanders. The best part about this is that not only does this establish Oden as an absolute beast, but it also gives more morale to the Whitebeard Pirates. Seeing their #2 man set the tone for the war that's about to begin. In my opinion, the hype would've been even moreso through the roof.....
Blackbeard would most likely never have tried to betray and surpass whitebeard. Which means no Marine War, at least not at that time. Blackbeard is ultimately a coward, a very scheming coward. Having to eventually deal with Chaden, even if we consider that he was at Wano at the time BB killed Thatch is too big of a risk... even if we consider that The Chad of Wano would make an appearance only in the pay back war (generous assumption since he would most likely participate in the Marine War), it would still be too much of a threat for Blackbeard. BB would have to change his plan dramatically.
Blackbeard relied a lot on luck in his plan. It seems to me that because of what character he has, he would still do what he did. In war, he simply would not have betrayed the navy at first. He would fight on their side with all his crew to get the Whitebeard Fruit in the turmoil. What would thwart his plans would be the appearance of Luffie and the Impel Down inmates, which gave Whitebeard unexpected firepower.
If Oden is Alive and the 2nd commander of the whitebeard pirates... then no admiral will put him on check, im pretty sure Mihawk will have a pretty much goal of joining the marineford war... Full power Mihawk vs Oden, oh boy...
Let’s get the tier list straight for those who don’t know it’s... 1.Ancient weapon lvl 2.Pirate/government king lvl 3.Yonko/fleet admiral lvl 4.Admiral lvl 5.1st division commander lvl 6.Warlord lvl 7.2nd/3rdDivision commander lvl 8.Supernova lvl 9.Cp9 lvl (Arguments): sure some would say big mom wouldn’t lose to shirahoshi or momonoske on zou but truthfully they would if u think about Kaido and big mom alliance to be an emperor u only wish nothing greater than to be king but they seek the ancient weapons to do which signals them looking for more power to be use on their side than against them if the marines were to obtain them. (2nd/3rd division commander vs warlord lvl): I know I know jozu Cracker Jack all had impressive feats on admiral lvl characters but they never got the job done for the simple fact of mihawk, boa, and doffy to me keeps the 2nd and 3rd division commanders at just a slight lower tear especially after boa kicked Douglas bullet in awakened form changed the system. (Supernova lvl vs warlord lvl): if we think about the 11 supernova that we all know n love in the present story yes they would possibly rank higher averagely than the warlords but because we haven’t seen much from almost half of them it’s hard to speak for the group as a whole above as I said before boa mihawk etc.. even past warlords included but supernovas and 2nd and 3rd division commanders was tricky as well but as a whole if lucky roo and yassop claim that rank as well then all of the 2nd and 3rd division commanders from each yonko crew would rank as a higher average stronger than current day supernova being luffy and the rest ofc and if u include barto and cavendish then it lowers the supernovas average more but thanks if u read til the end💯.
Oden was yonko level back then, I'd argue instead of being a part of WB's crew, just like Shanks after Roger's death, they both went own their own path to become even bigger entities than they are in the verse, Oden being the strongest in the verse, Shanks kinda following Oden's footsteps, Shanks wouldn't have to deal with Kaido, comes in giant elephant with Oden sitting on top of Zunisha w/ the minks army behind him, alongside the red hair ship, geez, it's over, done, Sengoku sees them, immediately releases Ace, go we can do absolutely nothing against Oden and Shanks.
I think Vista clearly had Ryou Haki. in an Vivrecard Databook it said Vistas Swordsmanship is one of the strongest is the whole world and even Mihawk Acknowledged that so vistas strength wouldn't had changed much.
He would get annihilated. Couldnt even damage Jozu a 3rd division commander with a slash meant for a Yonko, and couldnt beat Vista a 5th division commander.
I’m like 19 minutes in and I’m dumbfounded I haven’t heard a single mention of GARP THE FIST OR SENGOKU!!! KOL WTH!!! Also fun video but idk if I follow all your logic.
Garp, sengoku, aokiji and kizaru took zero damage in the whole war ...oda wrote marineford to hype up a yonko. .but fanboys like him don't see the actual results ....his garp hate clouds his logic .... The only change in this what if scenerio would be oden vs Mihawk ....and that all ... everything else would be same
As for the scenario. If oden stayed part of the crew. I see it being totally different. A little like kol said but maybe not exactly. The white beards still wash them though I agree with the logic whitey-chan would have to keep up with chaden. Then they’d be too powerful for sure. If he was an ally from wano I can’t see a scenario where he opens wano for twenty years and whitebeard doesn’t go see him once??? Sus
@@shirohigekaizoku if you have seen kol for years ..like I have ....it's pretty confirmed that he hates garp ..... WB , Roger and garp were on the same level .... But the logic that old and Sick WB is stronger than old and fit garp ...it looks stupid to me ....
King I jus wanna say whoever your editor is.... greatest ever!!! The range of content you or your editor pulls from is insanely hilarious. Thank you for all your vids
My personal ideal head canon. Oden becomes Shogun, allies with Whitebeard and meets up with the crew often enough to teach them Ryou and makes them better and pressures Whitebeard to keep in better shape as well as clashes with him for fun so Whitebeard needs to stay healthy and better. He also goes on expeditions and clashes with powerful people like Big Mom. He also might be allied with Shanks as well or something and Shanks and WB kind of get along so they would probably be fine with it. But him and his scabbards get stronger from training and fighting and Momonosuke becomes a threat on his own cause he gets trained a lot as well. In other words, everyone gets stronger plus they would know that they could communicate with Zunesha so they would be strong. Wano would be the most powerful nation because of Zunesha, the strength of the Samurai and Minks who would definitely train more and learn Ryou well under Oden (Also Hyogoro in the shape he was at his prime and the Yakuza) and of course alliances with 2 Yonko. Oden would basically be a Yonko himself and would be untouchable. Ah if it could only be true.
If oden stayed with goatbeard, Roger would never have become the pirate king. So Ace would not be as important and the execution would not happen in Marineford
This topic is actually like perfect. Because it's very possible if Oden just didn't die then I think that marineford would have been insane and they probably would have been able to rescue Ace to because Odin new Advanced Armament haki. While I'm pretty sure nobody else there could use Advanced Armament haki at that time. So if Odin showed up he would have been a legit animal.
Let me add a few questions on this what if scenario: -What would be Kaido's whereabouts? If he is not in Wano due to his loss what could possibly happen? would Kaido actually train to get stronger?, could he make his smile production at all? -Does the marine still have access to kairoseki? Without Kaido and Orochi ruling over Wano, the dealing of weapons with the world government probably won't happen. -Does blackbeard becomes a yonkou afterwards? After the death of Whitebeard, Marco, Ace ,Oden and the scabbards would fight blackbeard's crew. -Does sengoku retires? Probably but if he doesn't Akainu and Aokiji never fight each other affecting Punk Hazard as well. -Does the timeskip happens? If luffy saves his brother, what could happen? You can still work around this to make the timeskip happen (like Shanks actually meeting luffy, or luffy simply realizing how outclassed he is) but I think Ace's death had a huge impact on luffy's decision. -Does Sabo remembers Ace? Again probably but then he would not get the mera-mera no mi, since Ace is alive removing this plot point in Dressrosa alltogether. This is interesting because without the mera-mera no mi in the story, Burgess is not in Dressrosa (since there is no devil fruit) and never finds Baltigo. It's worth to give a thought.
Even though Whitebeard was old & sick he still flattened Akainu who is basically the Yonko of the marines. I believe Whitebeard & Roger reached levels no other pirate has touch. I don’t believe Kaido or Big Mom reached their level of power, Kaido is slightly under. Whitebeard was the most powerful of the Yonkos but his condition made him more vulnerable to simple attacks. I don’t see Big Mom beating Akainu straight on.
Big Mom would have a higher endurance and defense than Whitebeard but I don’t think she would have the right attacks to use against Akainu. Since he’s Lava I believe both Zeus and Prometheus are useless, so that leaves only Napoleon as her only source of attacking and her swordsmen ability isn’t clean. She kinda just does power strikes one at a time. Put Akainu in the situations Jimbei had Big Mom in, forcing her off the ship and the moment he hip tosses her out of Onigashima. Akainu in those situations is melting Big Mom’s defense and scoring big.
@@cipherP9 you forgot the most important thing is big mom is known for her iron defense being haki... haki isnt just defense her attack power is immense and theres nothing telling you she cant do conbo attacks? didnt you see bigmom vs kaido she can speed blitz if she wanted to. Shes an individual power house for a reason.
The combined forces of warlords and the marines are meant to counterbalance the power of a yonkou. If they are aware of how powerful WB pirates are with Oden, they will just, over time, escalate the power of their own forces to compensate. They'll likely recruit more warlords, conscript more admiral-level recruitment (Fujitora, Ryokugyu, etc) earlier, and have Vegapunk crank out more powerful military tech faster.
Wouldn't mihawk try to fight Oden instead of vista in this timeline?after all he wants to fight the strongest swordsmen possible so he can improve / find his successor. So Oden would face either just mihawk, or mihawk and an admiral.
So many thoughs here. I'd much prefer the scenario where Oden joins the war as an ALLY of the WB pirates. Ths way we'd see the scabbards with Zou join in. I'd also add a Momonosuke in his 30's possibly joining (how strong would he be at this point?). If Oden was still alive, he would arguably would have that "strongest swordsman" title. Both Enma and Ame are most likely going to be black blades as well. If WB himself is healthier because of the said circumstance, I'd like to think the same goes for both Garp and Sengoku. Hence, we can also scale the strength of the marine officers higher because of this dynamic. With that being said, here's what the matchups would look like: Whitebeard vs. Garp + Sengoku Oden vs. 3 Admirals Marko+Jozu+Vista vs. shichibukai Given Oden's nature I'm reminded of Hanamichi Sakuragi during the second half of the final arc of Slam Dunk where he just shows up randomly and causes problems for the marines at every front. So I can see him jumping from one battle after another. We could even say Marineford doesn't happend at all if Oden was still alive. Would the marines even dare to start a war with Whitebeard knowing his current state in this scenario? However, I can still see the BB pirates killing WB via underhanded means. Either way, the WB pirates would still win this war
@@wallaceiseasy3459 Dude Oden is having a second Yonko on the crew. You’d also have Blackbeard and a freed Ace AND Thatch who was above Vista. Yeah they are winning it if the Marines fought the same way they did.
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY The issue I have believing that is because white beard was one handing Akainu in combat despite 3 "fatal wounds" I doubt Akainu was pulling punches. So the fact Akainu was struggling despite old age, sickness and fatal wounds affeting white beard tells me Oden would probably roll an admiral.
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY oden clashed with whitebeard and tanked a named attack from the strongest character in the series. Add 20 years to that and he’s yonko level. Oden bodies any one of the admirals
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY for you to say no admirals were serious is head canon lmfao they were all using dummy named attacks only one maybe was lizard holding back
If oden was with Whitebeard during Marineford, it would have been a "W" for the WB pirates no matter how you spin it. And with the 9 scabbards there its also a HUGE W for the WB pirates. Oden baby shakes akainu. This man couldnt even be killed from being boiled alive for hours. WTH is a magma fist gonna do to ODEN lmao. Scabbards have shown to be commander level easily. Neko, Inu, and Ashura have all taken on Jack with no issue. At this point they would have been stronger. The remaining Scabbards have Ryuo so dangerous that it was able to wound Kaido. The Warlord are stalled or defeated by the scabbards. Im even thinking Neko, Ino, Denjuro, and Ashura could stall an admiral 2 vs 1. Lastly, I would assume the Kanjuro is on with the scabbards as well which means an army of painted soldiers that could be a huge problem for the marines. SN: To answer kings last question. If Oden is alive at Marineford, then Mihawk IS NOT the world strongest swordsman. By that point Oden would embarrass Mihawk.
I think he means like healthy whitebeard because the whitebeard we see go all out is nearly dead like half of his face is blown off and there is a hole in his chest on top of the heart attack he had before all that
You forgot about Momo potentially being trained up by his Tou-san and being at least half as strong as him. He could be leading the scabbards and mink lords against Kisaru or giving Aokiji fits.
No ya ppl is the fanboys of Oden, Garp was almost the only rival of the pirate king and you think Oden will do all this no fucking way. Akainu would have kept him busy, You ppl are delusional
@@toprap88 actually, Roger was even with Whitebeard, Garp, Big Mom, Shiki and Sengoku, but Oden got stronger and almost killed Kaido, now, 20 years later, Oden would've been WAY STRONGER and likely to be at a Yonko level, so, he'd be a beast in the battlefield
Oden might’ve been the difference in how actively Mihawk decided to participate 👀
Yea, man a Oden vs Mihawk fight or at least a clash would’ve been sooo dope
LOL
I dont think oden would've a chance but it would be a good fight to see regardless
@@ombhutki2530 wow I think Oden
loses but I think mihawk definitely has to go all out
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY Nah
King: "Never seen a captain weaker than his crew...ever"
Buggy: "You're goddamn right"
ahha captain buggy has played you too? hes actually pirate king level but plays it off as if hes weak, dont forget when he spoke down to shanks, he let his true power slip out for a moment. Captain Buggy i will follow you to the ends of the earth
Who in his crew beats buggy?
@@deity4919 U are underestimating buggy just cause he likes to joke. He can't be that weak. Maybe u have one or two members stronger but not all of them
Buggy top 1 in the verse man this makes no sense.
I dont think any member of his crew can even beat him. Think about it lol luffy just sent him flying but he was fine with his parts everywhere lol and still alive. He is buit different and lucky.
*Blackbeard captures Ace and gives him to Navy. *
Navy : Gives back Ace to Whitebeard
Yeah oden could maybe force the navy to return ace because oden is either yonko level or near yonko level and he could potentially bring an army
King saying that subordinates are always weaker that their captain and all i think is new world captain buggy
Jinbei and fisher tiger too
@@seanallwang3290 I never thought about that
@@seanallwang3290 What are you talking about? There is no reason to think Jimbei was stronger than Fisher Tiger back when he was in his crew... Sure he is now, but back then... how do you know?
@@seanallwang3290 hell no, fisher tiger was the strongest in his crew.
@@kujoqtaro7264 Mandela effect, I thought the Navy made comments on Jinbie's strength before Tiger died.
Something I would like to add, a 26 year Momonosuke.
that's a good point
Momonosuke would be a beast
ooooouuuuu that’s veryyy interesting.
@@Kono_D._Oda Especially if he still had his father's guidance instead of Kinemon
There’s no guarantee Momo would be strong. Look at some of Big Mom’s kids.
Could you imagine the bloodlust Oden would feel when Teach pops up?
Knowing that Teach is the one who got his little brother and son of his former captain, locked up?
Teach would be fucking dead. WB wouldn't get a chance to fight Teach.
Oh for sure. And since Oden doesn’t have a Devil fruit Blackbeard would just get completely over powered and beat down
Oden would be like yo Red Hair let's let's just kill this guy and BB would be dead
Oden's little brother huh?
Bro if Oden was in the crew ace wouldn't have to fight BB in the first place just Oden taking a day trip to end Blackbeard.
@@GabrielLopez-mo2xo Honestly it would be funny since Whitebeard wouldn't try to stop him as he did for Ace. He would be like go ahead. Also, it would be pretty funny given the fact I could see Oden just jumping off the ship and swimming to find Blackbeard.
If Oden beats Kaido then it is not far fetched to assume that when Blackbeard kills his nakama to steal the Yami Yami no mi Oden would still be 2nd division commander, so it would be him that chases after Teach, and he would fold BB, so Marineford wouldn’t happen at all.
True.
fold is an understatement
BB would literally be collapse into himself due to the sheer amount of folding being given and would explode
Indeed.
If Oden lives and stays on WB's ship a lot of the story would be different. Just for the sake of argument let's say up to Ace's capture is still canon and Oden comes into the picture.
Considering the esteem that Kaido holds Oden’s power in to this day, the fact that Oden immediately severely wounded Kaido before being tricked and caught off guard, and considering that in a one on one fight it is said that Kaido is the most powerful, it’s not an exaggeration to say that if Oden were still alive and given the same amount of time to get more powerful he would be at least an equal to Kaido as the strongest in the world.
bro thats kapp. Shanks cucked down Kaido from participating in Marineford.Shanks is prob stronger
@@bennogb5069 Bruh, they definitely didn't fight. Shanks probably threw so much sake around that Kaido and the beast pirates forgot about marineford.
@@bennogb5069 no i think shanks is barely above oden orrrr either equal / just below Raleigh & definitely below Roger & WB. Kaido is probably tied with Shanks or they trade off in strengths and weaknesses of individual stats. As in they aren’t equal but they’re relative to eachother in diff aspects of strengths & weaknesses. Nobody alive would be Roger (Pirate king Level?) & Raleigh is probably Yonko level.
I think Kaido and Raleigh would be close or relative bc Roger being PK means he clears ALLLLL rivals and means his 2nd in command gotta be Yonko level. His 3rd in cmnd gotta be right above 1st commander lvl bc Oden hurt Kaido. There’s much more to this thought but I’m too high to function rn lilbro lol
@@carlitoxantana3782If Oden was still alive, Shanks's haki would be better, but Oden's wider experience balances things out.
I now eagerly await “The Beast Pirates vs Marineford” once Wano is over.
I honestly doubt they'll survive the war with Monkey Deeeeeeeeeeee
Lol. Another Marineford theory video where KOL coincidentally forgets to mention Garp, Sengoku and Doffy.
After 1007 i think even if they have the most powerful crew alive they sinergy is such a garbage that Big mom(Every one respect's Katakuri in crew) or Blackbeard (i might be giving him to much credit) is more of a threat as a team
There's a fan chapter about that
Big Moms crew is significantly better then Beast Pirates as a unit
Blackbeard wasn't talking about Armament, he was talking about his Conqueror's Haki, implying he knew of said Haki and potentially possesses it.
I always took Blackbeard talking about haki as Oda implying he has haki skills we haven't seen. Even Shanks the haki god as some people call him in the community said he was not careless when he got the scar from blackbeard and that it aches...
So I look at blackbeard as a very capable haki user
@@dariuswilliams7509 at that moment Blackbeard didn't Have any df so most probably he has Mastery over haki
Yeah, he also talked about Luffy's haki in Jaya, just by looking at Luffy.
Most translations didn't call it Haki there but "spirit" or similar things cause Haki wasn't a thing yet, but in Japanese it's Haki.
I heard a theory that it was actually Observation Haki, as Luffy could see through his weird body and see "them" in Blackbeard, this would be the only Haki BB would've presenced in Luffy so far
Nah, just Haki in general. Don't even think Oda really had the 3 types hammered out by this point.
Momo would be a grown man and have been trained by Oden in this scenario.
And Marco wouldn’t be nerfed
Facts
You could say it’s a chance hyiori might be skilled with a blade too
@@Bronieb94 with Momo being older and stronger, I don't think she would have a need to pick up a sword. Also since Momo was born on Whitebeard's ship he wasn't given a sword. But growing up in Wano I think somebody would've forged him a couple swords of his own. They would also have the ninja as part of their forces.
@@Fualapeezy hyiori was born on the ship as well so I think it’s likely that she learned how to defend her self
Oden also seems like he would be one of the best fighters in a war type battle even besides strength. An admiral just knocked Marco away for a few seconds, and then they see Oden running 100 mph right at them.
After reading chapter 1007: THEN SEEING THIS🤕🤕🤕
can't wait for the reaction stream, lol
He’s gonna be so mad lmao 😂😂
THAT REACTION mite be a rant
@@shockshplock3480 I call it now, *he* was Tenguyama. That'd be wild, OMFG
@@BlackHood_1 I don’t really see why lol. There was a bunch of stuff in that chapter that was kind of bad, like the majority of the waiters siding with Chopper because he saved a few of them from the Ice-Demon virus and Monster Point being able to damage Queen ffs, but I honestly don’t have a problem with Hyogoro still being alive or the Oden thing.
The only reason Hyogoro wanted to die was because he was going to become an Ice-Oni, and it’s not like his character arc is actually complete yet. I HEAVILY doubt that that’s the real Oden, too. What with the fact that Hiyori/Toki are nowhere to be seen, all the lights are on, he has both his swords back somehow, he’s not injured from the boiling pot/he hasn’t aged at all, and Oda has never brought a character back from a flashback, either (aside from Sabo).
If Oden was around for that long, he'd be around Yonko level, everyone is getting bodied at Marineford, Akainu is getting diced up and boiled. If WhiteBeard is stronger than Big mom, it's gonna be horrifying, the tag team of Oden and Whitebeard would level Marineford.
True and Whitebeard could have played the commander role for longer with Oden charging the Admirals. He could have even stopped Squard in time if he was near Whitebeard. He might even be the one fighting Akainu. If so Akainu would definitely get destroyed, and at that point Garp probably have to get involved. At that point they probably stalemate until Luffy saves Ace. Whitebeard was still the strongest Yonko he just couldn't use his haki consistently, because of the sickness he had. If he didn't have the sickness messing with his haki plus having Oden with him, it would be a terrifying time for the marines.
diced up and boiled 😂
Oden was already yonko level when he died. The narrator stated he was equal to the worlds greatest pirates upon his return, meaning he was already on WB/roger level against kaido. Hence why he overpowered Him.
Had oden survived, he’d undoubtedly be the worlds strongest swordsman, and would likely be even stronger than WB was. Marineford would get smoked
Oden would be in his prime at marineford unlike Wb. Oden would be yonko level or near. No way Akainu would be able to hurt ace with Oden guarding him. Blackbeard ain't getting past Oden unless wb orders Oden to retreat as well after rescuing ace.
@@anonymous2964 oden was already on the level of roger & WB when he fought kaido. Stated by the narrator and implied by both kaido and the vivre card book.
At marineford, he would be the worlds strongest swordsman, not mihawk, and he’d be more powerful than WB was in prime. He’d be the strongest at marineford without a doubt.
Off principle oden would annihilate Blackbeard for what he did to ace. Even if WB protested. Blackbeard would have no chance. And WB wouldn’t have died at marineford.
One thing being forgotten in the Shogun scenario: Whitebeard’s side enters the battle with LOADS of kairoseki armaments due to Wano’s forges.
Just how a lucky hit with seastone neutralized Marco at a vital moment, an Admiral could get downed at a critical point in the battle.
well im pretty sure that if they knew whitebeard and the shogun of wano is allied, they wouldnt held a public execution...lol
Man, If Blackbeard killed thatch and Oden went after him, along with Ace, that Dark-dark fruit would get sent back into circulation real fast
@@ritzroldennalpajora4742 I think they would have tried anyway for the symbolism. I think everyone assumed Ace would be the leader of the new gen of pirates Oden spoke about so they were gonna kill the new gens hopes in its infancy which is why it was worth all that potential death to save ace. Nobody realised it was gonna be luffy instead.
Library of ohara has a great vid related to it if your interested.
He also forgot how strong will Momo be at the age of 26, under the guidance of Oden and the scabbards? nahh if he really has Oden's absurd genes then it's finito for the Marines.
Maybe a bit, but Wano's current high production is only due to Kaidou/Orochi forcing them to it.
Buggy pirates: “are we a joke to you”
Yes
Always been a joke 😂
Kol always has weird timing with his videos
In this case... yeah 👀
@@shockshplock3480
Not the first time. I remember a similar thing happened last year but I cant remember the character.
@@louayker4249 before chapter 997 i think when kaido lift onigashima AND before 999 when kaido's devil friut was introduced
Its cus he reads spoilers and lies about it. After he reads them he gets video ideas to do just so he can be like, ya I called it from the beginning...
Oden at age 27 was whitebeard's strongest commander and arguably the 3rd or 4th strongest active pirate at the time , You're telling me he grew up to be 57 and had a chance to grow mentally and physically ? Yeah everyone on marine ford is getting mopped including Akainu
Ace isn't dying
4th or 5th*
You're basically fighting 2 (Old)WBs
The thing is Oda didn’t even know oden existed because he pulled him out of his ass. He’s writing as he goes. Crazy how someone who traveled with WB and Roger was never mentioned
@@jjjjjjaylon We know that Ace took the 2nd commander spot before Ace vs Blackbeard.
That's a good 6 or 7 years before Dressrosa, if not more.
Only reason Ace died was because he was dumb, lets not forget.
I feel like if oden never went back to wano and just stayed a pirate he would have like a 4.5b+ bounty. He knows every thing about the world due to finding the one piece. He would also go back to the whitebeard pirates and wouldn't just keep low like reiligh (don't know how to spell it). AND HE CAN READ PONOGLIGHS!!!
If oden was at marineford then mihawk wouldnt have been so bored
King has been steeping up his game lately with editing and more video theory/analysis content. Much love and appreciation for your work King.
about Oden vs Mihawk, let me just say:
1. regardless of Which of them would have the title of greatest swordsman, they would both want to fight each other (although Mihawk might choose not to fight, the same way he refused to fight shanks, if he had history with Oden)
2. Oden, who had his swords since he was a child died at the age of 39 with neither if them being a black blade while Mihawk, who didn't have Yoru at Rogers execution, made it a black blade at some point before the age of 41.
3. if turning their swords to a black blade is indicative of their power level then pre-time skip Mihawk was stronger than Oden at his death. An older Oden is a different story but it also means Mihawk wouldn't stop training if he wasn't the strongest and most likely would turn to Oden for duels after shanks lost his arm.
This is just my opinion but i think they would be on the same level if Oden didn't die. feel free to disagree.
I think your massively underrating Oden if you think an old sick wb is stronger than him especially if the only reason is the captain has to be stronger than their subordinates, people don’t have to follow someone based on only their strength it’s wb heart that made people wanna follow him so id argue that he could still be the captain while being physically weaker than Oden but Oden follows him because of his respect and not strength. Also just because wb has Oden on his crew doesn’t mean bro is just gonna be able to dodge the cancer or whatever bro got😂😂
I agree with you that somebody shouldn't just be stronger cause they're captain and i don't think Oden being alive would've had any impact on WB's health. I think KoL is underestimating Old Whitebeard. Dude TKO'd Akainu and had BB in position where it looks like he was gonna get beat too if his crew didn't jump. And most of the dmg WB took was due to his handicap minor heat attacks. I think even with that handicap, Old WB still has crazy bursts of attack and heart that can down any character. That said, I have prime Oden at top tier level (admiral/Yonkou levels). By this i mean he can beat any character, but also get beat. It's circumstantial depending on what other factors are there during the battle.
Its easy Math If he Believes WB weakest yonkou, that means Kaido > WB, And Oden will always be > Kaido. Even if WB > Kaido, Oden is still > Kaido.
@@GammaRayXZoden stronger than a prime kaido? Meaning Oden is on prime roger level and prime garp level ? Meaning he’s rocks level ?
@@okoeymuey2105 oden was stated by the narrator to have returned from
His journey equal/on par with the worlds greatest pirates, who were WB & roger
the matchups I am seeing in this situation is that
as a commander:
whitebeard - sengoku
oden - akainu
marco - kizaru
jozu - aokiji
vista - mihawk
necomamushi and inuarushi just wrecking places. or one of them fights doflamingo. or two of them.
either way sengoku is forced to join and cannot make tactics. or lead the rest of the marines. and it will cause a lot more destruction for marines. even of the somewhat win their losses would be much more to even worth it.
as a shogun:
a stronger scabbards is devastating for marines. denjiro is strong and this time so would be kinemon. who can maybe deal with akainu.
whitebeard - sengoku
denjiro and kinemon - akainu
ashura doji and marco - kizaru
kawamatsu and jozu - aokiji
oden - mihawk (this would be an onslaught for both sides since both are going serious or even all out)
rest of the scabbards and commanders are just wrecking the vice admirals( except garp and tsuru)
a prospered wano and zou means more much better quality fighters. meaning better minks, like the 3 musketeers and 3 top guardians.( so pedro is alive) and the chance of yakuza bosses also joining the fight which means a still somewhat prime boss hyogoro can join. a better trained group of ninjas can easily sneak in the marine HQ and sabotage all defenses, or even turn them against the marines, and because sengoku is forced to fight actively, he cannot divert his attention to any of this and marines could get disoriented. and of you really let zunisha join, I wouldnt be surprised if sengoku straight up surrenders. because that is a wipeout.
And according to how that match up is set up Luffy gets an easier way to Ace and set him free.
Unless garp decides to fight seriously.
@Nerfular he wont, since this will techically save his grandsons. he was also against this war to begin with
Mihawk wouldn't be leaving Marineford unscathed.
King of lightning: if only oden was still alive
Me:😬🤫
LOL can't wait till he reads the newest chapter
It's not lmao, people need to chill out and wait to see what happens next
@@Doommaster677 I know, lmao
Honestly the only problem with this is, I dont think Oden would’ve stayed with the Whitebeard pirates for all that time and he would’ve just chilled in Wano after a while
Most likely but that’s why this is a hypothetical
I think it's just a thought experiment to see if Oden's presence in the crew would have shifted the outcome of the Marineford War.
So he could appear as an ally with the Wano warriors
@@Shoddragon No im saying he would still go to Marineford but to think he is gonna stay with WB pirates for 20 years its crazy he doesnt have that personality and will end up having to change Wano
What??? Just chilling in Wano is the last thing on Oden's list what are you talking about lol
"I've never seen a captain weaker than his subordinates" acting like buggy and foxy aren't a thing I guess
Imo oden would’ve definitely been a yonko tier fighter if he had more years to flourish... top 3 maybe???
We could argue he already was
No way top in the verse but maybe top 10
@@xxora6568 he was challenging whitebeard and roger in their prime. So yeah he would be a monster along with Kaido and Big Mom
I haven’t watched this yet and I know it’s gonna be a classic. Just like your what if big mom was at marineford vid 💯
It was legit one of the best One Piece discussions/hypotheticals
@@hrhnicholasable 💯
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@@hrhnicholasable People discredit KOL bc they're salty about his takes on Zoro and Sanji, honestly the man is very biased but his powerscaling is generally good. Also he did the top30 before Enma thats the only reason why put Zoro lower, as he didnt have any YC+ feats before that, while the RS was showed to be able to tank Yonko named attacks, so I guess that's where he was coming from.
@@pats3212 "raid suit tanked yonko named attacks" does not compute😱⛔⚠☣☢
After seeing Marco in Wano, all that would have take to victory was to take away the sea prism cuff.
In the what-if situation where Sabo is at Marineford Oda hints that it would be enough to tip the scales in whitebeard's favor and Ace would escape. That's JUST Sabo. If Shogun Oden is there + the Scabbards (admiral attention across the board) + the entire Mink army (easily fodderizes 80% of the marines in terms of strength) you're looking at a situation heavily in Whitebeard's favor where his orders control the pace of the war.
Assuming he doesn't get that sneak shot from Squardo we're looking at a Whitebeard who not only has a massive numbers and strength advantage, but he also is fresh and gets to use his devil fruit to the maximum of it's ability. Simply put Marineford most likely sinks into the ocean.
Nah Sabo? Gonna make a difference in Marineford? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
@@MillenniumEarl014 hell yes, sabo was already immensely strong from training by dragon, he'd fill in for the parts others couldn't. His haki was already advanced so blocking akainu would've been a synch, especially hurting akainu
lmao akainu solo'd the entire wb pirates. You're assumption that sabo could tip it in wb's favor is laughable. WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND NONE OF THE TOP TIERS FROM MARINE SIDE GOT DAMAGED? THEY BARELY EVEN TRIED. heck GARP CAN SOLO WB. MIHAWK CAN SOLO ODEN. rest of the admirals/sengoku foderize the WB pirates
@@junsukim2511 lol mihawk is a joke
No one is weaker than their captain...
Buggy: allow me to introduce myself😂
Almost
Sunday finna be amazing 😂
Man i cannot WAIT
Break this week 😭😭Only thing im watching on Sunday is Aot 💀
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@@ugobrown2357 nah i’m talking manga chapter 1007
@@almightyjuke oh ok- OH YEA. The reaction to the the final panel 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Can you do a “What if the Beast Pirates were at Marineford” now that we know their full forces?
the problem with the beast pirates is that they aside from Kaido aren't all too impressive
@@jpraise6771 marco soloes🤣
He should do this at the end of the arc after we've seen the full extent of each of the officers powers including Kaido (hybrid forms and special attacks)
@george gest yeah we must wait
Kaido carries the Beast Pirates on his back. They're so bad in comparison to the other 3 crews it's hilarious.
It's so said to think that Marco was the strongest during the arc, but we know Oden was way stronger... it feels like a loss
The crew was down at least 4 of their strongest members if you count Oden and Whitebeard was a shadow of his former self.
Bro what about Momo? In this scenario, Momo would grow up and learn from his dad - basically becoming the 2nd coming of Chaden. I guess he would stay in Wano to protect it but he would be in his early 20's (around Ace's age). There is no way Momonosuke wouldn't be so much stronger.
late 20s, but defo would’ve impacted marineford. I think momo would’ve been stronger than Ace. if momo used ryou like Chaden did... yehhh sign me out.
Momo would probably just be the acting Shogun in Wano. Being more like his grandfather then his father.
If Oden was still alive, Mihawk probably wouldn't even be the greatest swordsman but Oden himself.
"I've never seen a pirate captain being weaker than their subordinate"
Everyone: Looks at Kid
He is the one who hold mihawk busy obviously
Oden with the WB Pirates is a complete reversal situation easy clap.
Like Oden not dying and instead continuing to grow more powerful the entire time, you're left with another Yonko level individual who isn't sick and old like Whitebeard, who's still a monster despite those factors. Going off of that means if Oden is the shogun that Kaido is almost certainly not a factor any more which means Shanks doesn't get delayed going to Marineford which means you have THREE Yonko level combatants going into the fight not even taking into account their crews which are also completely stacked with Marco, Vista, Jozu, Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Beckman, Yassop, Lucky Roux, Denjiro, Ashura Doji, and the rest of the Scabbards. Then you throw PTS Luffy, Jinbe, Ivankov, and Crocodile showing up as well? Plus Hancock switches sides still and Mihawk steps down because he won't fight Shanks?
I'm sorry but when you put Sengoku, Garp, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Kuma, Doffy, Moria, and Smoker as your lineup against THAT, they don't stand a chance even with all of the Admirals. You can even include Mihawk in this situation and they still hard lose. Oden or Shanks absolutely can compete with this greatest swordsman. Whitebeard's side is just WAAAAAAAAAAY to stacked in this situation.
Bruh if any of you thinking mihawk could defeat oden then you're absolutely wrong. My man almost defeated kaido if it wasn't for orochi's dirty trick. Oden is strong strong enough to be admired by both Gol D Roger and Whitebeard in his prime. He was a commander on Whitebeard's ship, then accompanied Roger and went to Raftel. We also got to see Oden's determination to save his subordinates. Oden wielded the Ame no Habakiri, and Enma. Both extremely powerful swords. He himself was one of the best swordsman of his time.
Luffy cant use haki when hes tired and thats why ace couldnt when he was free, if oden is in the crew then ace would probably be challenging him daily they would be mad vibing
lmao yeah we also got the same profile pic i was confused at first I thought I wrote that comment
I agree and love the fact that KOL is making sense when he says whitebeard is the weakest yonko, DUE TO AGE, ILLNESS amd AMD NOT TAKING BETTER CARE OF HIMSELF💭
If Oden didnt die and was allowed to continue his growth, I would have him prob top 1.
I think if he went to Marineford with his boys to help WB that they wouldn't win but Ace and many Wb pirates dont die. They would be able to escape too.
The red scabbards would be way stronger if Kaido vs Oden never happened. Oden would be able to continue training them and they wouldnt lose 20 yrs of training.
They are basically a Yonko crew
Kaido is currently the strongest among all living things. If Oden grew at the same rate, that title would currently belong to him. Especially since the only permanent scar Kaido got was by Oden, despite it confirmed that he fought Xebec, Whitebeard, Roger, and Shanks.
@@juicyjfan I agree
Everything you said is straight facts 👏🏾👏🏾 Oden being alive is a strength multiplier for everyone. Whitebeard probably would have been even hungrier and actually actively trying to be the pirate king instead of standing before the throne. was literally going to comment too that if the minks stood with white beard the entire time then go back to Zou, zunisha is going to be docked right next to wano
what if Oden was at Onigashima? now that would be wild.
🤣
Its gonna be fire
On sunday
...
Yeah that would be good
It already made me angry thinking about
wtf is wrong with people like you
This was so fire man this got my blood pumping bro thanks for this king.
If Oden was still alive, Mihawk’s title would be “The second greatest swordsman”.
@Goku beats Sanji Wait, so the nine red scabbards aren't swordsmen.... because they're samurai?? And you can't be a swordsman if you're a prince or ruler of a province? What are you even saying lol
@Goku beats Sanji You know what? You can think what you want to think lol. I've seen you commenting on a few threads and it's definitely not worth explaining anything. I think what I think, you think what you think and we can go about our days.
@Goku beats Sanji Yup you're totally right, have a nice day
@Boogy Ah this, I agree with. They are not the same but you can be both and I'd argue samurai are almost always swordsmen. It comes as part of the culture/practice. I was disagreeing with someone saying that oden is not a swordsman because he's a samurai, which makes no sense. In my mind, in 95% of cases being a samurai automatically makes you a swordsman, but being a swordsman does not make you a samurai.
As you said, plenty of people use swords and could call themselves swordsmen, but those same people could not call themselves samurai. Oden is obviously both though
@@MrKangorilla you handled this situation well. I would’ve bugged out and thought to myself how can one be so ignorant but yeah you’re right. A samurai can also be a swordsman majority of the time, but a swordsman cant be a samurai it’s different.
Mihawk most likely would challenge Oden and ignore Vista. Mihawk would 1v1 one of them just to show the government he’s helping out. He’ll have to try harder but he still won’t put his life on the life imo (for the government) unless he’s fighting Oden to test himself.
We really should be considering whether Shanks and the Red Hair Pirates would become actively involved because of their Captain's very positive bond with Oden.
im not sure about actively involved but they’ll still pullup. Just in time like before but instead nobody dies because Oden&Momo&Inu/Neku are also of an addition.
I think Akoiji did it like Katakuri vs luffy when luffy has punched Katakuri with haki but the punches still has going threw his body. Akoiji may have seen this attack from whitebeard before and used his devil fruit to make a hole in his chest so the weapon from Whitebeard will go threw him
after this weeks chapter........ (*in Kevin Garnett voice*) ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE!!!!
Considering how eagar Oden is to battle, I reckon he'd be the first one to actually challenge Dracule Mihawk to a duel. Mihawk responds the same way he did with Whitebeard (Launching a giant slash towards the ship) but instead of Jozu blocking the slash, it would be Oden using a Haki Slash from Enma to equalize it.
The world is stunned by Oden's display or strength, being able to casually cancel an attack from the "World's Strongest Swordsman" with his own. Whitebeard would boast, saying Oden is more that a match for Mihawk. Ace goes from being worried to having more confidence knowing that Oden here to back up Whitebeard along with the other commanders.
The best part about this is that not only does this establish Oden as an absolute beast, but it also gives more morale to the Whitebeard Pirates. Seeing their #2 man set the tone for the war that's about to begin. In my opinion, the hype would've been even moreso through the roof.....
Mihawk wouldn’t be the worlds strongest swordsman if oden survived. Mihawk would be challenging oden for that title
Blackbeard would most likely never have tried to betray and surpass whitebeard. Which means no Marine War, at least not at that time. Blackbeard is ultimately a coward, a very scheming coward. Having to eventually deal with Chaden, even if we consider that he was at Wano at the time BB killed Thatch is too big of a risk... even if we consider that The Chad of Wano would make an appearance only in the pay back war (generous assumption since he would most likely participate in the Marine War), it would still be too much of a threat for Blackbeard.
BB would have to change his plan dramatically.
Blackbeard relied a lot on luck in his plan. It seems to me that because of what character he has, he would still do what he did. In war, he simply would not have betrayed the navy at first. He would fight on their side with all his crew to get the Whitebeard Fruit in the turmoil. What would thwart his plans would be the appearance of Luffie and the Impel Down inmates, which gave Whitebeard unexpected firepower.
If Oden is Alive and the 2nd commander of the whitebeard pirates...
then no admiral will put him on check, im pretty sure Mihawk will have a pretty much goal of joining the marineford war...
Full power Mihawk vs Oden, oh boy...
oden>mihawk
Oden's rank is unique. He is above the Yonko First-commander/Right-hand but below the Yonko themselves. I honestly think he high-diffs Prime Rayleigh.
Oden is definetly yonko level
Never saw it
@@jaredbowen3527 if that's the current gen yonko then yes, he stands toe to toe with kaido, BM, shanks and bb
This video was well narrated and paced with brilliant facts and opinions.
If oden was at marineford, Shanks wouldn’t have had to stop Kaido
DUDE WAS NOT COMING FOR THAT SMOKE
Lmfaoooooo
True
Yonko after Oden finishes with Kaito we looking at the sanko not the yonko
This channel is fucking great, food for thought, appreciate the content.
Can't wait for KOL"s rage after this new OP chapter hahahaha
Let’s get the tier list straight for those who don’t know it’s...
1.Ancient weapon lvl
2.Pirate/government king lvl
3.Yonko/fleet admiral lvl
4.Admiral lvl
5.1st division commander lvl
6.Warlord lvl
7.2nd/3rdDivision commander lvl
8.Supernova lvl
9.Cp9 lvl
(Arguments): sure some would say big mom wouldn’t lose to shirahoshi or momonoske on zou but truthfully they would if u think about Kaido and big mom alliance to be an emperor u only wish nothing greater than to be king but they seek the ancient weapons to do which signals them looking for more power to be use on their side than against them if the marines were to obtain them.
(2nd/3rd division commander vs warlord lvl): I know I know jozu Cracker Jack all had impressive feats on admiral lvl characters but they never got the job done for the simple fact of mihawk, boa, and doffy to me keeps the 2nd and 3rd division commanders at just a slight lower tear especially after boa kicked Douglas bullet in awakened form changed the system.
(Supernova lvl vs warlord lvl): if we think about the 11 supernova that we all know n love in the present story yes they would possibly rank higher averagely than the warlords but because we haven’t seen much from almost half of them it’s hard to speak for the group as a whole above as I said before boa mihawk etc.. even past warlords included but supernovas and 2nd and 3rd division commanders was tricky as well but as a whole if lucky roo and yassop claim that rank as well then all of the 2nd and 3rd division commanders from each yonko crew would rank as a higher average stronger than current day supernova being luffy and the rest ofc and if u include barto and cavendish then it lowers the supernovas average more but thanks if u read til the end💯.
Y’all better not spoil this man in the comments
He is gonna be pissed. if he knows who is alive.
@@ichay888 or....y'know. Just fucking do it anyway
Nothing to spoil anyway. Shitty chapter.
@@rendezvousonmemorylane ion think its him tho
@@Chrono_Punk nah just knowing KoL. if it is dead. it better be stay dead. that is why he is gonna be pissed.
Yung Gravy the singer of Mr.Clean grew up 20 minutes from me in Minnesota. I’ve met the lad. Loved to hear his song!
And how ironically he posted this video before reading chapter 1007
Between him posting this and Tekking posting his video on the Awakened Mane Mane no Mi, there's some heavy cosmic irony going on.
@@blksmagma facts lmao
Oden was yonko level back then, I'd argue instead of being a part of WB's crew, just like Shanks after Roger's death, they both went own their own path to become even bigger entities than they are in the verse, Oden being the strongest in the verse, Shanks kinda following Oden's footsteps, Shanks wouldn't have to deal with Kaido, comes in giant elephant with Oden sitting on top of Zunisha w/ the minks army behind him, alongside the red hair ship, geez, it's over, done, Sengoku sees them, immediately releases Ace, go we can do absolutely nothing against Oden and Shanks.
I want one of these but with whitebeard and his whole crew on their prime
I think Vista clearly had Ryou Haki. in an Vivrecard Databook it said Vistas Swordsmanship is one of the strongest is the whole world and even Mihawk Acknowledged that so vistas strength wouldn't had changed much.
Imo hawkeye keeps oden proccupied due to the fact mihawk would want to test his strenght on the legendary swordsman from wano
That would be a great fight
He would get annihilated. Couldnt even damage Jozu a 3rd division commander with a slash meant for a Yonko, and couldnt beat Vista a 5th division commander.
@@SuckYaMudda definitely wasn't trying, and jozu with just a casual attack had to go diomond and his feet were crushing in the ice...
@@saifullahkhalid8931 Neither was Vista, and Jozu still tanked it, so he would scale to if not above Mihawk.
@@SuckYaMudda just to be clear...zoro who just cut kaido, will finish the story by beating a 3rd commander level character
I just don't think it'd matter if Oden joined the war because of Speedwagon... 🤔
..You can just never count out what speedwagon might do 🤷🏿♂️
I’m like 19 minutes in and I’m dumbfounded I haven’t heard a single mention of GARP THE FIST OR SENGOKU!!! KOL WTH!!! Also fun video but idk if I follow all your logic.
Garp, sengoku, aokiji and kizaru took zero damage in the whole war ...oda wrote marineford to hype up a yonko. .but fanboys like him don't see the actual results ....his garp hate clouds his logic .... The only change in this what if scenerio would be oden vs Mihawk ....and that all ... everything else would be same
@@Ashu2448 He's the biggest Garp slanderer
Wait does kol not actually like GARP? I coulda swore he’s a big fan that’s why I’m surprised he didn’t mention him.
As for the scenario. If oden stayed part of the crew. I see it being totally different. A little like kol said but maybe not exactly. The white beards still wash them though I agree with the logic whitey-chan would have to keep up with chaden. Then they’d be too powerful for sure. If he was an ally from wano I can’t see a scenario where he opens wano for twenty years and whitebeard doesn’t go see him once??? Sus
@@shirohigekaizoku if you have seen kol for years ..like I have ....it's pretty confirmed that he hates garp ..... WB , Roger and garp were on the same level .... But the logic that old and Sick WB is stronger than old and fit garp ...it looks stupid to me ....
King I jus wanna say whoever your editor is.... greatest ever!!! The range of content you or your editor pulls from is insanely hilarious. Thank you for all your vids
*Chaden vs Mihawk!?!?!?* bro I can't
"KOL: Aokiji ICE.... no no no" that made me laugh so hard
Wouldn’t Mihawk need to be stronger to keep the Worlds Strongest Swordsman title otherwise wouldn’t Oden be the world’s Strongest
You’re only assuming that mihawk achieved a black blade Oden didn’t
My personal ideal head canon. Oden becomes Shogun, allies with Whitebeard and meets up with the crew often enough to teach them Ryou and makes them better and pressures Whitebeard to keep in better shape as well as clashes with him for fun so Whitebeard needs to stay healthy and better. He also goes on expeditions and clashes with powerful people like Big Mom. He also might be allied with Shanks as well or something and Shanks and WB kind of get along so they would probably be fine with it. But him and his scabbards get stronger from training and fighting and Momonosuke becomes a threat on his own cause he gets trained a lot as well. In other words, everyone gets stronger plus they would know that they could communicate with Zunesha so they would be strong. Wano would be the most powerful nation because of Zunesha, the strength of the Samurai and Minks who would definitely train more and learn Ryou well under Oden (Also Hyogoro in the shape he was at his prime and the Yakuza) and of course alliances with 2 Yonko. Oden would basically be a Yonko himself and would be untouchable. Ah if it could only be true.
If oden stayed with goatbeard, Roger would never have become the pirate king. So Ace would not be as important and the execution would not happen in Marineford
I think he means after he travels with Roger, but I don't know.
Nah
This topic is actually like perfect. Because it's very possible if Oden just didn't die then I think that marineford would have been insane and they probably would have been able to rescue Ace to because Odin new Advanced Armament haki. While I'm pretty sure nobody else there could use Advanced Armament haki at that time. So if Odin showed up he would have been a legit animal.
Aha...... little does he know
About to say that.
Lmaooo
Facts
Let me add a few questions on this what if scenario:
-What would be Kaido's whereabouts? If he is not in Wano due to his loss what could possibly happen?
would Kaido actually train to get stronger?, could he make his smile production at all?
-Does the marine still have access to kairoseki? Without Kaido and Orochi ruling over Wano, the dealing of weapons
with the world government probably won't happen.
-Does blackbeard becomes a yonkou afterwards? After the death of Whitebeard, Marco, Ace ,Oden and the scabbards would fight blackbeard's crew.
-Does sengoku retires? Probably but if he doesn't Akainu and Aokiji never fight each other affecting Punk Hazard as well.
-Does the timeskip happens? If luffy saves his brother, what could happen? You can still work around this to make the timeskip happen
(like Shanks actually meeting luffy, or luffy simply realizing how outclassed he is) but I think Ace's death had a huge impact on luffy's decision.
-Does Sabo remembers Ace? Again probably but then he would not get the mera-mera no mi, since Ace is alive removing this plot point in Dressrosa alltogether.
This is interesting because without the mera-mera no mi in the story, Burgess is not in Dressrosa (since there is no devil fruit) and never finds Baltigo.
It's worth to give a thought.
Even though Whitebeard was old & sick he still flattened Akainu who is basically the Yonko of the marines. I believe Whitebeard & Roger reached levels no other pirate has touch. I don’t believe Kaido or Big Mom reached their level of power, Kaido is slightly under. Whitebeard was the most powerful of the Yonkos but his condition made him more vulnerable to simple attacks. I don’t see Big Mom beating Akainu straight on.
Big mom he would destroy akainu even now the disrespect against big mom i'ts Crazy
yeah big mom disrespect is real? Why do you not see big mom beating akainu straight on lol. She’s stronger than MF WB ect.
Big Mom would have a higher endurance and defense than Whitebeard but I don’t think she would have the right attacks to use against Akainu. Since he’s Lava I believe both Zeus and Prometheus are useless, so that leaves only Napoleon as her only source of attacking and her swordsmen ability isn’t clean. She kinda just does power strikes one at a time. Put Akainu in the situations Jimbei had Big Mom in, forcing her off the ship and the moment he hip tosses her out of Onigashima. Akainu in those situations is melting Big Mom’s defense and scoring big.
@@cipherP9 you forgot the most important thing is big mom is known for her iron defense being haki... haki isnt just defense her attack power is immense and theres nothing telling you she cant do conbo attacks? didnt you see bigmom vs kaido she can speed blitz if she wanted to. Shes an individual power house for a reason.
The combined forces of warlords and the marines are meant to counterbalance the power of a yonkou. If they are aware of how powerful WB pirates are with Oden, they will just, over time, escalate the power of their own forces to compensate. They'll likely recruit more warlords, conscript more admiral-level recruitment (Fujitora, Ryokugyu, etc) earlier, and have Vegapunk crank out more powerful military tech faster.
Wouldn't mihawk try to fight Oden instead of vista in this timeline?after all he wants to fight the strongest swordsmen possible so he can improve / find his successor. So Oden would face either just mihawk, or mihawk and an admiral.
Just Mihawk and nothing would have changed...Mihawk and oden cancel each other ...and you have the same situation
Mihawk is folding Vista in a instant and going straight for Oden
KOL: I have never seen a crew mate be stronger than a captain
Me: Remember USELESS CAPTAIN MID😂
I was thinking more along the lines of god Usopp and his followers. Lol 😆
So many thoughs here.
I'd much prefer the scenario where Oden joins the war as an ALLY of the WB pirates. Ths way we'd see the scabbards with Zou join in. I'd also add a Momonosuke in his 30's possibly joining (how strong would he be at this point?).
If Oden was still alive, he would arguably would have that "strongest swordsman" title. Both Enma and Ame are most likely going to be black blades as well.
If WB himself is healthier because of the said circumstance, I'd like to think the same goes for both Garp and Sengoku. Hence, we can also scale the strength of the marine officers higher because of this dynamic.
With that being said, here's what the matchups would look like:
Whitebeard vs. Garp + Sengoku
Oden vs. 3 Admirals
Marko+Jozu+Vista vs. shichibukai
Given Oden's nature I'm reminded of Hanamichi Sakuragi during the second half of the final arc of Slam Dunk where he just shows up randomly and causes problems for the marines at every front. So I can see him jumping from one battle after another.
We could even say Marineford doesn't happend at all if Oden was still alive. Would the marines even dare to start a war with Whitebeard knowing his current state in this scenario?
However, I can still see the BB pirates killing WB via underhanded means.
Either way, the WB pirates would still win this war
Whitebeard was down Teach, Thatch and Ace let alone Oden. His Prime Crew would’ve trounced Marineford.
That's cap.
Prime Wb crew is not beating
3 Yonko lvl individuals in Akainu, Mihawk and Aokiji.
1 admiral in Kizaru.
Garp, Sengoku, Doffy, and Boa.
@@wallaceiseasy3459 bruh old wb almost killed akainu. Sure garp and sengoku were also fighting but shanks pulled up so it would’ve been even
🧢 whitebeard crew getting beat again the battle will be longer tho.
@@wallaceiseasy3459 Dude Oden is having a second Yonko on the crew. You’d also have Blackbeard and a freed Ace AND Thatch who was above Vista. Yeah they are winning it if the Marines fought the same way they did.
@@wallaceiseasy3459 Akainu, mihawk and Aokiji are not Yonko level
It's funny that you made video like that on that week...
Every Marine officer including the Admirals would get grinded to dust.
Except garp and probably sengoku
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY The issue I have believing that is because white beard was one handing Akainu in combat despite 3 "fatal wounds" I doubt Akainu was pulling punches. So the fact Akainu was struggling despite old age, sickness and fatal wounds affeting white beard tells me Oden would probably roll an admiral.
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY oden clashed with whitebeard and tanked a named attack from the strongest character in the series. Add 20 years to that and he’s yonko level. Oden bodies any one of the admirals
Mihawk would be able to hold Oden if not tire with him.
@SWARUP REX CHOWDHURY for you to say no admirals were serious is head canon lmfao they were all using dummy named attacks only one maybe was lizard holding back
Awesome video. Please do more of these what ifs!
If oden was with Whitebeard during Marineford, it would have been a "W" for the WB pirates no matter how you spin it. And with the 9 scabbards there its also a HUGE W for the WB pirates. Oden baby shakes akainu. This man couldnt even be killed from being boiled alive for hours. WTH is a magma fist gonna do to ODEN lmao.
Scabbards have shown to be commander level easily. Neko, Inu, and Ashura have all taken on Jack with no issue. At this point they would have been stronger. The remaining Scabbards have Ryuo so dangerous that it was able to wound Kaido. The Warlord are stalled or defeated by the scabbards. Im even thinking Neko, Ino, Denjuro, and Ashura could stall an admiral 2 vs 1.
Lastly, I would assume the Kanjuro is on with the scabbards as well which means an army of painted soldiers that could be a huge problem for the marines.
SN: To answer kings last question. If Oden is alive at Marineford, then Mihawk IS NOT the world strongest swordsman. By that point Oden would embarrass Mihawk.
oden not walking akainu lmao. it’d be a good fight but oden ain’t going to just run through akainu. I see that fight as 50/50
Bruh 😂😂😂 not the Yoshi tongue grab.. *Vista*.
"i have never seen a captain weaker than a subordinate"
*clearly doesnt know about lord buggy the pirate king*
Cant wait for him to read the latest chapter. It will change this video completely.
Imagine if prime whitebeard was at marineford or if whitebeard went all out at marineford
For a little bit he did
I think he means like healthy whitebeard because the whitebeard we see go all out is nearly dead like half of his face is blown off and there is a hole in his chest on top of the heart attack he had before all that
Prime WB means prime Garp and Sengoku are still there...same result
You forgot about Momo potentially being trained up by his Tou-san and being at least half as strong as him. He could be leading the scabbards and mink lords against Kisaru or giving Aokiji fits.
I think he's gonna pass out when he reads that new chapter
I’m waiting
Its definitely not him though
Oh is going to be delicious, a certain stands are going wild right now. XD
King just bringing out fire content
The admiral fan boys are the only ones who disagree
No ya ppl is the fanboys of Oden, Garp was almost the only rival of the pirate king and you think Oden will do all this no fucking way. Akainu would have kept him busy, You ppl are delusional
@@toprap88 actually, Roger was even with Whitebeard, Garp, Big Mom, Shiki and Sengoku, but Oden got stronger and almost killed Kaido, now, 20 years later, Oden would've been WAY STRONGER and likely to be at a Yonko level, so, he'd be a beast in the battlefield
@@toprap88 Don't forget Garp, Sengoku, Kizaru and Aokiji were clean during the war. Oden ain't doing much
YUH NEED MORE WHAT IFS PPLS