The New Scramble Cards are GAME CHANGERS
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- East talks about a new generic Scramble Digimon Cards from the Limited Pack 03 Set. He talks about how they're different from previous generic support, but also are incredible at making huge plays or big comebacks with some examples
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What kinds of combos are you cooking up with the Scramble cards? 🤔🤔🤔
A cool application of this card is in bagra army, being able to fully utilize its effect several times.
At the start of your turn, play chikurimon. Chikurimon blows itself up, and you could then activate another purple scramble.
Gallantmon ofc...while using rush guilmon, we can bring it out and immediatly warp into gallantmon and counter clear, after the first stack was removed
Wish to use the black scramble in the Alter S deck, since it can help the ping-pong and recovering a piece from the trash.
@@ventus93kh98 Gallant-stans, this plus BT17. It might be time.
Something with Sukamon probably
The Phoenix example felt really reasonable and it _did not_ prepare me for the ones after
You could also use the Phoenix combo on Garuda ACE and play a memory setter
@@dregonreds
Playing Kristy's really good there though. She will give that stack an on deletion to play a Biyomon from trash and since Phoenix X uses all of its on deletions at the end of its attack, you'll get the Biyomon for free pretty much.
wow, I know you from locals. small world huh :)
9:16 east saying "how its hard to get fenriloogamon" with an absolute villain theme playing the background lmaooo
I didn't forget about Dracmon, we just don't have him in English lol. We never got half the survive promos here in the West.
We did shops never gave them out
@@kisam0886we only got a handful of them. There are still a bunch of the promos that have never been released
@@kisam0886 no, the cards really dont exist in english, you cant even see them in the digimon card official list, we only got 3 of them
:')
I was so confused for a second with you using the wrong player on the memory counter lol
Things like this make me immediately think of how I can use this on alliance type decks since my favorite deck is Blackmegagargomon. Alliance so frequently requires consistent 2nd cards on board and this seems to help assist that.
It's funny, you can waste your opponent's mirage's memory gain effect. Use scramble, play a searcher, add card to hand, opponent gains the memory and you're back to 3
that's amazing
But only if it doesn’t turn pass to 1 memory in the opponent side or even then i will get my memory set to 3?
@@srautmustafa5075 all effects must be resolved before switching to opponent's turn. As east explained in the vid, you can choose to activate the memory tamer's start of turn last, so you can essentially force them to use the memory gain and then go to 3
Then wouldn’t all of your effects resolve, including the memory tamer, and then they’d get a chance to rebuttal?
@@anthonyrealmuto1844 If the opponent has any responses to a Digimon being played they'd go off before the Memory setter, as the memory setter is start of turn and all abilities are put onto the stack at the same time, but are resolved in the way the owning player wants them too with turn priority. If opposing player plays leviamon in response to you playing a digimon from scramble your memory setter would wait until after Leviamon as the newest effects take priority over already pending ones.
I like that Scramble cards are different (Memory boost and training serve a very similar purpose). Digimon TCG is about doing a "big turn" with your lv6 digimon, but after it is defeated it takes 1-2 turns to rebuild, which makes people more wary to be the ones doing the first move. Having recursion to rebuild the next turn is huge, and more linear decks will benefit greatly from this type of effects.
One thing i was thinking about these Scramble card is that it's really good even in something like RedHybrid, you can use it's main effect to digievolve an Aldamon for 2 memory into EmperorGreymon BT12, do your thing and if the opponent tries to delete it you are just ok with it, next turn you can use the Scramble, put Emperor back on the top of your deck, play a Flamemon from trash and still have all of your tamers to do another EmperorGreymon with something like Takuya BT12
I've been testing the scramble in sakuyamon and it feels really nice when bt17 comes out, recycle your cards that dig out your plug ins, play for free to turbo your board etc
And here I was excited to use these in galacticmon. Looks like I'll have to keep an eye out for more combos like these.
The Fenrirlooga combo looked nasty
Hunters might use that really well. It’ll just let you bypass the rookie cost, then go into Arresterdramon, and do the crazy Hunter stuff without wasting any memory on the startup.
ST15 Agumon, ST16 Gabumon, and BT14 Patamon don't cheat with setters, but they do get their start of main phase effects.
im so happy to have a way to add back metaletemon to hand
My biggest takeaway is that you’ve got blog posts of cool interactions and potential combos. The most we get is just ruling posts to clarify. Hopefully global release leads to more of that
Idk what Bandai would say without explicitly changing the games rules. All of these use the currently established game rules. With the cards releasing next week in Japan, we’ll get rulings to go alongside them, but I’d imagine none of what’s been found changes.
@@East_ML Not saying I expect rulings changing anything. Only thing I could see there would be a clarification with memory setting maybe only working from 0-2 memory and not negative memory.
But my main point is I’m jealous you guys have so many means to discuss theorycrafting and I hope a unified release pushes the western base to also theorycraft decks a ton. That’s fun for me 😊
@@East_MLhopefully we’ll get bans with them too if they’re really that crazy 😳
@@walkersikorski The west has theorycrafted tons of decks.
These scramble options are really interesting! Bunny Alliance could probably make use of this to help revive bodies for alliance and search. Maybe even Suka/Ete can use this to recover their Etemons and then pop out one of the Sukamon or Chuumons in trash. The only downside is that my wallets going to hurt getting these to play and to add to my Yamuretsu collection.
All this is great, and will, I'm sure, lead to very interesting games from time to time, but in my opinion the most broken thing about these cards is that they give powerful recursion to non-purple decks. Being able to use the trash as a resource is what got purple of the recent bans and not all colors had ready access to that. Now every color can get things back.
Just to use an example, with the release of BT15 I've been having a lot of fun playing Raidenmon using the new machine support cards. But given the rummage effects of many black machines, you are sometimes forced to discard lvl 3 and 4 cards that you may need later in order to dig through the deck. Before there was no way to get these back, whereas with the Black Scramble (a card which can easily be swapped in for the 3x trainings the deck already runs without losing much) I can now recur 1 to 2 digimon for 2 memory. That's getting pretty close to Calling From Darkness levels of recursion, but in every other color. The cards are strong for that reason alone and will likely eclipse even the trainings in many decks as players cotton onto how powerful recursion is for decks that didn't previously have access to it.
Do you have a decklist you can share for Raidenmon using more recent cards - I want to upscale my older version.
@3dbyjoe546 I haven't been playing since about February. I can try and find that list but it won't have anything newer than maybe bt16. Would you still be interested in the list?
I think lilithmon loop have really a great potential in this scramble cards fucasing on scrumble cards and jack raid , lower end dark animal and higher end lilithmon with zwart , the specially bt16 cerebresmon is 7000 dp and can be played by zwart with warwelf mood who have rush
The combos are really good but they can be played around.
For example, if you have a mon and your opponent sees the scramble they can choose not to kill your mon so that the 2nd effect doesn't occur.
Even if you're go Tamer -> Scramble to pass turn with no mons on board you're still leaving yourself wide open for a turn for a mid to late-game combo, which could cost you a game.
This is why I feel like the cards have appropriate guard rails. You can’t destroy the option but you have options to fight against it!
Besides the combos with On play effects, sometimes just getting the start of main effects from some rookies can be really strong like BT14 Patamon.
This will most definitely become a staple in Gallantmon though as the deck seems to focus on warping from lvl3 to lvl6 more and more
Scramble, EX4 Guil, 2 mem and a BT17 Takato in hand can end the game assuming Gallant X and Ace Crimson in hand.
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The problem with these combos is the Scramble options themselves. The Delay is not a choice, but a must if the condition is met. If the Scramble options were a choice like Memory Boosts or Training options, this could actually work. But because the Scramble options are not a choice, the only reliable time you could use them in this fashion is if they were played during your last turn. You couldn't use the option early on in the game, planning for the combo, because without the memory setting Tamer, if your opponent has a Digimon, the Scramble will always trigger. And sometimes when it does trigger, you don't always have a target in the trash. The more I think about it, the more I think that if you play the Scramble options, you run it at only one copy. The bad situations with the cards seem to outweigh the good, in most decks. As a mandatory trigger, I don't know why it doesn't give you the option to return the card from your trash, it is a must return a card if you have a target.
I actually had a discussion about this with folks in discord and it may actually be the case that these are optional based on the delay keyword itself. I think we’ll have a clear answer next week once the q&a rules for these cards officially come out tho! I’m looking forward to seeing them!
@@East_ML
If they're a choice, then it'll be fine. But as is, they're not great.
@ArcDragoon it's 100% a choice. is a "by" effect by default and all costs (indicated by a "by") are optional.
Assuming you have T.K or equivalent with both Mirei's set up, scramble gets you to BT16 salamon which gets gato before slinging back to 3 memory + 1 from mirei, so you start your main phase with basically 3-4 memory and a mastemon which can immediately swing with alliance, while chaos degrading your opponent on the crackback. Yeah these scramble cards are nuts. That looga combo is funny considering the deck also runs kimera so that's unironically OTK out of thin air lmfao
Me personally, I'll use this card to reduce cost of my Magnamons. The delay and security effects are pretty useful too.
man... this designers are making things too much efficient. This surely will become a problem.
I would have so much trouble explaining this to someone everytime 😅lol I hope gallantmon can take advantage of this well.
These generic options keep getting wilder . The scrambles are also huge momentum swings in security as well
The start of turn legal stacking is also pretty good (e.g. to recycle one of cards)
I looking hard at the Green and Blue Scrambles. Blue Zoo with plaenty of On Play lvl3 effects, and any help for Tyrannomon is wonderful.
Great in chessmon
The scramble cards were definitely kind of mediocre until this interaction. I can’t believe they ruled the cards like this. This is definitely going to cause some ridiculous interactions in the future.
Another great video East!!! Thanks for this !
Honestly I say it's the best when it's a deck that has little to no recovery cuz these cards have been amazing in Diablo
I found a few things. EX05 Kudamon is extra broken with the right set up because he can play out yellow tamers for free. Yellow has a lot of good tamers this can combo (both with on play effects and start of main) with like Sampson to go into a fast kent, but more importantly can be used with promo kari and TK to get another evolution or play out their respective rookies.
Then D-Brigade / Digi police has more than numemon that it can use because the deck has a few ways to give rush like BT16 sealedramon. there are a lot of other effects in the game that can give rush long with digimon that have or gain it themselves.
I really wish bandai would stop printing these staples cards
Black Scramble is pretty nuts with current and leaked Alter-S/B support.
And I still have my alter-b deck put together 😈😈😈
@@East_ML The entire deck already has the OG training card effect throughout which made training kinda bad. We can pull some crazy combos and comeback combos using old Tai & Matt as well as new Tai & Matt. So scramble playing out a digimon is crazy.
Who said them effects was meeeh lol they tripping…I took a break around 13 …now I’m coming back
I've never seen that promo rookie in my life...
If I am not mistaken, if it passes back to their memory prior to the turn, wouldnt it become their turn again? Isn't this just the blue tamer from gracenova, like hasn't it been addressed already?
No, because all of your effects must finish before your turn ends. It’s like if you evolve into a Digimon and it has an Evo effect. If the evolution cost would tip the memory over to your opponent’s side, you still finish your Evo effect before your opponent’s turn starts
I'm really interested in how the BT16 Salamon can attack on turn play, thank you!
EX-03 Gatomon inherited effect gives Four Great Dragons Rush. Scramble Salamon from trash and EX-03 Angewomon or Aeroveedramon onto top deck, digivolve into EX-03 Gatomon from trash with Salamon's effect. Go into main phase, digivolve up to one of those level 5s for 3. They get Trial of FGD into play from hand for free, which in turn gets an FGD from hand into play for free.
Could you explain the looga combo a little more? If I'm understanding it right, it doesn't make much sense to run baluchi and dracmon. The whole point of fenrilooga getting out cards is to be able to swing and alliance with them. You're just setting up a wide board and not really doing anything with them.
Without those two cards you literally don’t get to evolve. With Cerberus X you gain rush and can therefore attack. I recommend watching that part again because I’m very clear on those points.
@@East_MLBut you're not able to attack. Fenri does not have rush and none of the cards you played out have rush either. You could go into dinobee/kimera, but you're missing out on alliance.
My main point is scramble doesn't add anything to the looga deck. Adding scramble and cards like drac, baluchi, and cerberus adds clutter to the deck that already has a space issue.
@@detbasilsorry, i think I see where the confusion is coming from. I mistakenly said CerbX gives rush. Sorry, I mean Cerberusmon from BT16.
My goal in this video is only to show the potential of the scramble cards. I’m not telling you how to build your deck, I just want you to know what’s possible.
Won't the Tamer memory setter mistrigger since you already played/digivolved means not only did you skip the hatching/breeding phase, you also entered the main phase means the setter can't trigger effect no more?
Nothing is skipped. The scramble and tamer effects happen at the start of your turn before you even draw a card.
Digimon is starting to be more like Yu-Gi-Oh each day
Is the start of your turn happens before the draw phase? Cause if yes, u can use its effect to draw a card that was in your trash, or even search with your Digimon if u get the chance to use it's second effect.
Exactly!
so, why/how does turn not pass to your opponent when it goes past 0, but before the memory setter tamer triggers?
Because when your turn starts, both the tamer effect and the scramble effect activate, you can choose the order they play out, and your turn cannot end until you play out all of the effects that activated, so as long as the tamer is your last effect you play out, you will always snap back to 3.
Something something Alter S momentum.
"With the new purple scramble you don't always need Loogamon to make your plays"
Ooh tell me more
>plays card that never released in the US
Aw...
How do i find the Dracmon in English T-T we gotta wait for RB2 man.
I fail to see the benefit in the first combo.. the result wouls have been the same wjth scramble resolving at the sane time or after. The combo vas evolving removing the tamer then putting back on evolving and so on..
just one question, do end of turn /start of turn triggers occur from the other player when you got to negative memory like this?
Not until all of the current turn effects have resolved. Then if your turn would end you do end of turn effects, followed by start of turn effects by your opponent.
I'm really not a fan of these cards. They encourage you to not commit to the board so you can take advantage of the scramble, and they encourage your opponent to not commit to the board to deny you the scramble. Feels like in the world where they're relevant it encourages very uninteractive play-patterns
What happens if you dont have the memory tamer tho?
Does your turn end right there or do you get the chance to get your breeding phase and your start of main phase ?
If you spent memory and after all of your effects resolved, you didn’t have a memory setting tamer, your turn would indeed end. You would not get an active phase, breeding phase, or main phase.
where and when do the scramble cards release?
isnt this a gracenova zuba promo kinda combo that got them banned for being played together?
That was an impossible to break loop.
This is only a combo that can be used max 4 times.
Hemm with how it's work probably slow deck like ragnalordmon can uses that as set up before uses memory setter tamer. Especially you now have consistent in gacha if you rigged your top deck.
because the effect is at the start of your turn, it is before you draw. You would just draw the card. That would only work if you used 2 scrambles
Wait i though you draw first and activate delay effect. Like you activate "unsuspected" all digimon and tamer first before you uses there effect.
@@AnangRabo start of your turn is the literal start of your turn, so since the effects activate when it begins, it would be before you draw. What you're thinking of is start of main phase
@@johnphileobaua
No, i pretty sure it's before "start of the turn" and after that mandatory effect like tamer or digimon "start of the turn". After that you doing raising phase and main phase went "start of main phase" trigger.
Is kind weird for me like ever first step in any card game "draw and activate your card on fild" can be out run by "effect" went mechanic always be the first priority for my thinking.
@@johnphileobaua also because he explain it not draw and unsuspended don't mean it before doing it. Yeah some effect can make you can't unsuspended but i never see an effect can out run you for first step drawing in your deck, digimon or any card game.
Question: can digimon effects like for example pillowmon bt-09 " all turns players can't play digimon by effects" blocks this new scrambles cards??
Yes!
Hey at 12:57 just trying to figure out how promo Dracomon would be able to play out a Groundramon card to then evo and eventually DNA into Examon? Or is there some other way I’m not seeing?
Promo says when you play groundramon you can warp the draco into a wingdramon. Groundramon then says since you hard dropped me for 7 and are passing turn, you may DNA me and your new wingdramon that evoed from a draco into a DNA digimon from your hand.
But how do you take advantage of that during the Start of Turn? Like, how can you play your Groundramon before your Main Phase?
Or is it just useful because you can start with an empty board and then get to Exa one step faster with the free Lv3?
dracomon won't be able to take advantage of this. Editor was likely grabbing all things with like keywords but the specifics here don't allow it to work at the necessary timing.
@@mrekidYeah that’s what I was thinking was going on because I can’t think of a way Dracomon would be able to do anything with this unfortunately
4:16 shouldn't the pheonixmon be on top of the deck already? or is that a may effect?
At the start of the combo, I said please assume there are other Digimon in the trash, in which case we would slot one of them on top of the deck instead of Phoenixmon
@@East_ML Completely missed it, my bad
No worries! Happens to the best of us
They need to make a ruling, like the did to the deva Mimi combo.
what ruling?
That ruling was always obvious -- Digimon can't attack the turn they are played. Whether they were played in the Raising Area or not is irrelevant. This was simply an issue of a judge making an incorrect ruling.
If this is true.. im actually afraid of the damage this can cause to the game, this is very yugioh
This has guard rails. The opponent has to have a Digimon in play, and the delay effect is mandatory. You cannot choose to use it or not. You must use it if the conditions are fulfilled
Is it manditory? I thought a few Delay cards were worded similarily and AREN'T manditory, like Biting Crush, Fog Barrier, and the new Legend Arms Option.
It'd be kinda messed up if Biting Crush FORCED you to play Levia from Trash if your opponent played a guy. They could totally work around the trap with ease!
@@Zubagon The way it is written in the reveals we have seen thus far, even in Japanese, it reads "If your opponent has a digimon, Put a card back on top of your deck. Then you may play a 2k DP or lower Digimon. The play 2K dp digimon is optional, but the put card on top of your deck is not, but either way the option card is sent to the trash after.
@@East_ML Oh wait, I see why it's mandatory. It's because the "return to deck" doesn't say "You May". I was getting hung up on the Delay condition, but I didn't realize that all of the other Delay cards say "When (Trigger), Delay: You MAY X".
My sleep addled mind can't handle it rn lol.
@@East_ML I'm pretty sure effects are never mandatory. is a keyword for "After this card is placed, by trashing it the next turn or later, activate the effect below." As it is a "by doing [X]" effect, you can choose not to trash the card in order to not activate .
Otherwise, Biting Crush's would also be mandatory whenever an opponent's Digimon is played by an effect.
But why is it called scramble?
If everyones on steroids is it really cheating?
Digimon entering its Mark McGuire Baseball era
Why they always promos bruh
if the digimon was played the same turn, the same digimon cant attack using blitz bc Summoning sickness
Garudamon X effect gave itself Rush, hence why it could attack the turn it was played
This is so freaking absurd xd. I think Bandai never test the cards before release them. This is a very broken mechanic.
That interaction with the memory setter don't work like that.
The meaning of "2 or less memory" it's simplified by having 0, 1 o 2 memory.
At the beginning of your turn your tammer "triggers" but not activates his effect, after you pass the memory before the resolution to 1 or more to your opp side, for mechanism of the game your turns end, the requirements for set your memory to 3 are not accomplished so it cannot activate his effect.
It's clear u have no clue what u talking about lol