I love how these people were saying "School stresses my kid out so I pulled them out. I tried teaching them how to read once and they complained and I never bothered again. I don't understand why my child can't read".
theyre telling on themselves. a good teacher, whether professional or a parent homeschooling, makes learning painless. you can get a kid excited about any basic skill, even math, just by teaching them the purpose and making them feel capable and supported. if your kid doesnt want to learn to read and write, its because you failed to show them the joy of being able to communicate with others, or the joy of being able to read what things are to make their own choices.
When I was younger I hated reading with a passion, but my mom always kept pushing it to me whenever she could and now it's one of the activities I enjoy the most.
@@renfrien7009Idk about that. No matter how fun it was supposed to be, even in computer games, I’ve always hated math and number-oriented stuff. I learned it and did decently but I can’t say no one tried to make it fun-just has never been and never will be my thing.
@@Window4503 There's no such a thing as something that "isn't your thing" our monkey brains are made to learn and play, and they most of the time understand both as one and the same. I failed math during my entire high school, to turn out and become one of my favorite subjects in uni, is just a matter of how its presented
I was "unschooled" because I was homeless most of my childhood but I was interested in STEM (I'm now in college for physics after extensive tutoring) I would have done anything to go to school and prioritize my education earlier and not just teaching myself through old librabry books (if i was lucky to find one). This is diabolical. We have to stop gatekeeping and witholding education.
Honestly, though you should be incredibly proud of yourself, especially to be in college for physics After dealing with all of that. Congratulations though I wish you the best!
God speed to you, and your incredible achievements! I was homeless in high school, and that was a struggle to keep up with long commutes. I'm so proud of you, and agree. I went into Library Technician because of my interest and love from those times. Kids need structure and challenges
that’s such a good perspective: education is such an important privilege all children deserve, and intentionally and willingly withholding it is just terrible. and i hope college goes great :)
I am one of these kids. My parents 'homeschooled' me and my siblings and from 4-7, the schooling was state mandated (around 2008 the state stopped mandating and instead moved to state testing yearly which my parents didn't enroll us for). Instead of properly schooling us from the ages of 8-18 they hid us from the state- I remember talking to CPS as a kid so many times and they would ask me to write something for them or do basic math (all of which I can do) and then one day they stopped checking on us. Years and years went by without learning a single thing or any structure at all besides being Mormon (which had its own issues). I got a worker's permit at 14 and worked a fast food job until I was 19 when I decided I wanted to get my GED to have 'finished high school' like all of my peers had done. Lo and behold I was dumber than a bag of rocks. The pretesting teacher told me I had as much chance to graduate as a slug of growing arms and legs. After weekly schooling (4-6 nights a week after work) from 19-23 I finally got my GED in April of 2024. BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE! When I got to college classes (trying to pursue a plant degree) I was so severely behind in almost every subject. Biology which would have been taught in middle school, I didn't know. Math that the teacher said was from 5th grade, I wasn't familiar with and therefore hit a mental block. It has been literal hell at every turn and I struggle everyday with the knowledge I will eventually have to admit that I am not smart enough to continue with school but I also cannot afford to pay back the Pell Grants now. I am quite stuck and all my parents have to say is "Arent you glad we homeschooled you?" No ma, I'm actually dying inside. Sorrry for the long rant guys I just still cant process the amount of not only schooling but memories and things I missed out on because of my parents.
Please, please, don’t think you are dumb ; you absolutely seem to have a highly functioning brain, and someone with a lot of strength and will, determined to overcome difficulties. I send you all my respect ❤
@@Volvo50c yes, keep fighting ! And don’t forget to be kind with yourself, you absolutely deserve it (and that awful pretesting teacher should have help you devise a plan, instead of being such a -add your favourite insult here-). Please know that I’ll remember you
Just a heads up, if you truly received a Pell Grant, that is something that doesn't need to be paid back. It's a grant--a gift, if you will--for those in need to pay for college. There are SOME exceptions, from what I understand, but without knowing all the specifics of your enrollment or withdrawals, I can't speculate on whether you owe. I just know that in most cases, it's not like a loan that needs repayment.
Reading to your children is something a parent should be doing anyways. Most of what that one entrepreneur mom was saying she was going to be doing is regular parenting things. Taking your kids to the library, exploring nature and your environment, cooking together, shopping and learning about foods and prices, and reading to and with them. These are all things that parents should be doing with their children. It's insane.
Additionally, you can teach them to read and write, and mathematics. And ALSO follow their lead on things they express interest in. They are curious about mushrooms? Great! Find books in the library, look up information online, go on walks searching for mushrooms. Find recipes that use mushrooms (hello, math!), plant mushrooms, have them draw and write about what they notice while they are growing. What do they wonder? What experiments could they do? How can they discover which environments they grow best in? So much can be done following their natural interests BUT incorporate reading, writing, math, scientific principals, etc. into their learning.
Hard skills and soft skills as well. Hard skills like learning how to drive when comes time, how to use a credit card, how to ride the bus, how to use the internet, how to ride a bike, how to work the TV etc. Soft skills, interacting with others, observing body language, assessing situations, critical thinking, morals. Those are all so important for children, they can learn how to physically function in society with hard skills, and learn how to mentally navigate the physical world with soft skills. I understand that soft skills are just as if not more important than hard skills, and that seems to be where these unschoolers are trying to go. But they are putting in the BELOW MINIMUM effort. Children rely on adults, and when the adults they rely on don’t take care of them, we end up with kids who are too far behind to have good lives and survive.
The fact that Education is a literal HUMAN RIGHT for people and these "parents" basically taking it away from their kids is absolutely disgusting. It's neglect and taking away a right. People who treat their kids by unschooling shouldn't even be parents at all as they clearly dont care for their child's education. The children will not have a stable job in the future because they never learnt to read or write or had any sort of education. Education is highly necessary for kids to help them with the future. I'm honestly surprised as to how some 'parents' who unschool their kids aren't thrown behind bars, it isn't human
These ignorant fools can just claim that educating their kids is against their religious rights, and they get a free pass to ruining their kids' lives. It's ridiculous that this country has wandered so hard to right-wing religious nuts that they're given a free pass to take a wrecking ball to their kids' lives and well-being. There are states that have legal protections for parents who let their kids die due to "faith healing" because they claim their religion is more important than getting their kid a doctor. It's insane. These people are given too much leeway to do idiotic crap.
Malala was SHOT IN THE FACE because she wanted an education. Girls in Africa and the Middle East are being held captive from going to school. Only in developed countries do we go backwards on purpose
As someone who was homeschooled everything I earned was based on my own personal interests. I LOVED ancient Egypt so I spent a WHOLE year learning through reading books about it (language arts) and the LITERAL history. Just because you want to focus on your kids interest doesn’t mean you have to leave it up to them. My mom had a daily agenda every single morning so I would do stuff. But it was still on my own time! And we were still done with school before noon. These people are robbing their children’s chance at life.
Amen, Amen. I did years of latin and ASL because i wanted to and she fostered my love of history which eventually became my college degree. But that doesnt mean she ignored the necessary skills required for our state’s testing and the SAT/ACTs
Thank you! I was taught a similar way! I was (and still am) obsessed with the Wild West and learned all I could about it. Even though I was mad at my mom sometimes because she wouldn’t let me watch documentaries on the Wild West because I had to do math. 😂 Years later, I’m even making a Wild West town in Minecraft with my sister. I am an absolute bookworm. A nerd even. Funnily enough, I actually hated reading when I was still learning. But my mom encouraged me to keep reading. Now I’m working on my own books. Getting personal for a second, I do not do well socially. I know for a fact that I would do horribly in school. When I did go to school I was bullied by everyone, even the teachers! Homeschooling was the best thing to happen to me. ❤
Yeeeesss! This is the good side of homeschooling (not to be confused with unschooling😭). I have a checklist of things I gotta do each day and I have curriculum, but the curriculum is what my mom chooses based off my interests. I’m in high school now so I’m learning stuff based off of what career I’m interested in if that makes sense? I do regular math, literature, composition, science, foreign language, history, grammar, and health each day buuuut I got to choose to do forensic science because I’m interested in it and to learn Japanese because I’m interested in that too!! The freedom is nice, but PLEASE teach your children how to read and write..😭 I can’t get behind unschooling. Sounds nice in theory, but there are certain things you gotta know to get by in society. Plus, it’s good to equip your kid for college if they choose to pursue a career that requires higher education when they’re older. Unschooling can’t get you that! Holy yap💀 sorry for rambling. I got a lot to say abt this topic pffft plus I know a family who unschools and YIKES! I feel bad for them.
literally, you can still follow your child's interests without just leaving them free to do whatever the hell they want all the time! like with your ancient egypt example, you can literally do so many things with that interest - first/native/main language arts (reading about anything will improve your language skills + you can learn to write essays on this topic), linguistics (egyptian, hieroglyphs, introduce different types of scripts, phonetics, evolution of languages), history (obvious), politics (of ancient egypt), geography (of ancient egypt), agriculture (agricultural techniques of ancient egypt), climate science (to explain why ancient egyptians faced the weather conditions they did at the time and how it impacted them), chemistry (process of mummification). this is just off the top of my head too. like if these parents really wanted to, they could do this with their kids. introduce new concepts and information by relating it to the thing their child is interested in. i genuinely think you can reliably cover everything like this because everything is related to everything else. but they don't want to teach their kids anything. they just want their kids to hang out and learn to cook because apparently if you also give them math class they'll forget how to turn a stove on
Yeah, student directed learning sounds really good and helpful to me, but unschooling? Absolutely not. I think homeschooling in general isn't the best option for most kids. Kids need social interactions with other kids their age to learn how to socialize.
@@ScaredyCorvidas a homeschooler that has a fairly large friend group and a best friend you dont need to go to school for social interaction kids can go to the park or mall or make friends in their neighborhood school is forced interaction and being around the same age and opposite gender could be distracting when your learning
Yep. It surprises me that most of these parents say their children are not interested in reading and, therefore, don't learn to at the moment. Struggling to learn to read? That's understandable; I had my moments, too. Unable to interest your child in reading? That I cannot even comprehend. Every topic, every part of life, and every concept can be learned by reading. If someone can't get their children into reading, I don't think they have ever tried to.
It really should be. They're intentionally declining (in the US) free education services and handicapping their kids for life due to their own negligence.
Feeding your child's interests is NOT mutually exclusive with getting them a proper basic education ! They have to learn what they need to navigate the world and make their own decisions. You absolutely can and should nurture their passions and hobbies, encourage them to pursue the skills they're interested in, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF BASIC NEEDED SKILLS.
Also how will they be exposed to different interests if their parent isn’t at least exposing them to it; i didn’t know I liked chemistry and languages until I got into public highschool and had those classes.
They're seriously crippling their own children from getting the essential education they need. With no planned curriculum, and making sure their kids are at least up to par when it comes to the standardized tests. There's gonna be a lack of learned socialization they can get from other non-familial kids in a formal setting too
Yeahhh.. I can’t get behind unschooling for a lot of reasons, but as a homeschooler this is a huge issue too. If you’re not a part of a co-op or homeschool group then you don’t have any chance to socialize. Not to get too personal or anything, but I’ve been homeschooled my entire life and I am insanely behind socially. No friends, no opportunities to leave the house and talk to anyone my age. It’s super isolating, dude. Sorry for yapping, I appreciate you mentioning this!!! 🫶
@@crunchycookie6712i’m homeschooled as well because school just didn’t work for me, i’m quite content being alone though and i have my bf which is enough for me. but i get you, sometimes i just wanna go out and do something fun but i have to do it alone. most of my socialisation happens online and sometimes i feel like i am mentally younger than my peers? like others my age are somehow more adult idk
A thing that's not talked about enough is that these children may also miss very important developmental windows of neuroplasticity that will never happen again in their life. It's an irreparable cognitive loss. Especially in early childhood, being exposed to the correct stimuli plays a very important role in determining your life-long intellectual performance. The effects of the lack of adequate stimuli during childhood are so severe that it influences our IQ more than genetics. Scary stuff, I feel sorry for them 😢
I didn’t learn to read or write until I was 7 but it’s because I have learning disabilities, my parents really tried and ultimately succeeded in teaching me, but my brain just doesn’t learn as fast as normal people
Uschooling is just like an excuse to let their children do anything, with those type of parents just saying that is letting them choose what to learn, when they are LITERALLY KIDS 💀
Exactly, like how is a kid supposed to know what they want to learn when they don't even know what is there to learn? And I'm pretty sure that even if one of those kids said that they want to learn mathematics, their parents wouldn't let them or wouldn't be able to teach them
this is true, I started unschooling at 15 when I was too depressed to go to school and instead of getting my diploma I've been studying to get my ged. at least I knew what I needed to learn and how to put myself into classes to get where I need to be 😭 a 5 year old can't do that. I like It tho because it's helped me to have more time to explore my hobbies and interests and develop myself as a person
They need to at least be taught how to read and write and basic math. Their kids probably aren’t going to want to do it but it’s the best to have them learn at a young age and they NEED to know that.
Early Ed Major/Teacher here- there is a MASSIVE amount of research that proves that reading/writing skills do NOT form naturally within children’s minds. And there are so many parts of reading and writing that are so complex that you have to teach scientifically and systematically over time, that the claim that a child is doing everything “by themselves” is absolutely false. Sure, it may look as though the child is “writing” but they are not comprehending what they are putting on the page. To a child who is not literate, copying down letters is the same as copying a drawing from a book.
Hmmm...my aunt learned how to read at 4 without any teacher. I'm sure that's really abnormal though. There seems to be a wide range of when children are ready to read. Many kids aren't ready for reading at 5. Some aren't ready until closer to 8. I've seen this in homeschool, private school, and public school kids all alike. That's why there is such a huge reading level range for independent reading in the early grades.
@@rh10033 I learned to read at 5 before I was in school, so yeah, that happens. But only because I was very interested in hearing stories and asked my parents to read to me every day. I also studied the pages while they read to me, so at some point the connection between what I heard and what I saw formed. So it still takes time and effort, even if not the typical one you know from school
THIS. (Linguist here. Lol.) Our brains are primed to learn and adapt to language, but if there's no chance to actually learn that… Yeah no. That's not gonna happen. I for one as a kid was severely neglected, and while I understood what people were saying, I also was mimicking my dog and almost speaking dog because that's all I knew what to do. Which is more of an extreme, but, that's how we're wired. We take from the environment. And then you have how literacy in reading/writing is a very nuanced thing because it's new. Compared to verbal language, literacy like that did not come about for a long, long time in our evolution. There's a reason why dyslexia and the mathematical equivalent is fairly common, and, why some cultures got by for thousands of years without having to write anything down. Everything was verbal.
My youngest had a significant speech delay. The first few years of school were hard for him because he couldn't say the words properly, so he couldn't write them properly. We were going to speech therapy twice a week, he had a speech therapist in school, a reading interventionest in school, and a privite reading tutor otuside school. He is now in third grade, he has worked so hard and has improved so much. His IEP is so little now that when it's time to reevaluate, he'll most likely come off it, he no longer needs a speech therapist in school, only goes in once a week for ST, and is reading grade level chapter books by himself and is getting A's on spelling tests. None of this has been easy by any means, but I can't imagine where he'd be if all these wonderful people didn't come in to help him succeed.
I was unschooled and I was still taught to read and write at an average age. Dana Martin is a fringe radical unschooler who is not widely accepted in the community.
I work in a High School (Aus, so 7-12), and we've seen a massive increase in unschooled kids being dumped on us once the parents either realise how much they messed up, or the government had to step in and force them to send the kids to school. These are kids that are essentially crippled because they missed out on many core years of work, and are working at a level far below their grade i.e. I've seen grade 10s reading/writing at a first grade level. It not only severely reduces their chances at having a bright future, but ostracises them from their peers due to being seen as slow. Unschooling is legitimately awful and I hate how it ruins kids.
"my 6 year old wrote 3 words by himself" me at 6 learning to read and write in both french and english while also being autistic dyslexic and having eye problems "uhhhhhh... yay?"
Same. Dyslexic but wrote short sentences in Russian and Lezgin(my native language) at 7. At 6 I read a lot in both languages alredy. and learned poems and fables by heart. Most kids do!!
I was unschooled as a kid, it was a living hell. My mom didn't want me to have an education because it was "worldly" so she pulled me out of public school in 6th grade, and then used that as a way to medically neglect me because no one knowing what was going on at home, and she believed medical care is evil. I had to be revived by paramedics because she was refusing me medication and medical care for so long that I temporarily died. She isolated me from old friends and preventing me from socializing because I wasn't allowed to make new ones, and pretty much abused me in every way possible, and sadly where I lived didn't have any mandatory check-ins for kids like me, which allowed this to take place for so long. I had to run away at 18, and now I'm dealing with the unfortunate aftermath of having an education left off at where it was when I was pulled from public school. I've tried so many times to get my GED, but I'm so behind educationally. I absolutely hate how homeschooling and unschooling is seemingly getting more popular, because I have met so many people who were in similar situations as me which all could've been easily avoided.
I'm going through the same thing my mom is still in my life & she didn't teach me anything! I can't drive, get a job because I don't know basic math....I have a speech issues. It's sad, I had to learn everything on my own as an adult including socializing. I was also medically neglected by my abusive mo? Except she's my payee for my disability so, she gets my money & is constantly causing me panic attacks to the point I hyperventilate. Homeschooling is for moms who shouldn't even have had kids, especially if their not doing shit for their kids.
I'm so sorry you guys had to experience this, the same thing happened to me and it feels like it was all about saving money and wanting me not to be a bother in my mom's life.
Wow we had a very very similar life. I wish you all the best I'm adulthood idk about you but I'm 25 and feel like a raging toddler half the time kow I'm im a safer environment and have a lot of issues feeling normal with basic things
It is in some countries. In germany for example children are MANDATED to go to school. There is no "No" Your child HAS to go to school. Its "Both a right and a responsibility"
Agree and not to mention child abuse because unschooling can be used to cover abuse from anyone including CPS. Speaking of CPS, where are CPS like why CPS isn't doing anything about it
Unschooling if done right is amazing for some children. For other children it's doing them a disservice and when it's done like this it's neglect. It isn't black and white, unschooling is good or unschooling is bad. It depends on the child and the parents.
“I didn’t learn anything in school” 9/10 they weren’t paying attention in class. I see people I went to high school with say this type of stuff and they were the same ones who were always fighting and disrupting class.
There's so many people who used to say that in my high school and I would just laugh it off awkwardly and not comment. Back in my country a few years back there used to be full grown men that didn't know how to read and had to go to schools after they let the kids out because they didnt have a system that allowed them to go to school😐people take education for granted because they don't see the people who struggled without it.
i dont learn in school despite my best efforts because i have several learning disorders and american high schools dont at all accommodate anybody who doesnt learn how were "supposed to"
@@candlelightmsic That is definitely true. Especially since it's really hard to even qualify for special ed even when you are on the spectrum. My brother had to drop out of school really early because he's on the spectrum and has extreme anxiety but the school did nothing at all. From elementary to middle school I have need extra math help but when I moved to my new small school I didn't get that and I am extremely behind in math. My boyfriend in middle school was with special education because he has PTSD and can't be in a normal classroom with loud people but when he got to high school he was unfortunately forced to be in normal classes and eventually dropped out of school. It's really messed up tbh.
One of the parents says something like, "learning to ride a bike is school, doing the dishes is school, etc." Yes, those are life skills that A PARENT COULD BE TEACHING ANYWAY. Yes, they don't learn to ride a bike at school, but that doesn't mean they can't go to school AND learn to ride a bike from parents at home. Also, as a teacher myself, I have seen the skill gap between kids as young as elementary school, but even my low-achieving fourth graders were probably all performing better than a lot of these unschooled kids in high school. And as a daughter of a highly educated couple, my mom instituted "school time" during the year I would have gone to preschool. I was ahead prepared for kindergarten. I was preschool age and reading and writing better than these unschooled kids. Kids love to learn! I was so excited for school time! And as a parent myself, I can't imagine reading picture books to my daughter and not expecting her to one day be able to read them on her own. Kids will even memorize the words for each page before they can read them. Kids are evolutionarily programmed to learn. You just have to get it started early.
It's called education neglect. It's the same thing as the parents who don't read with their kids when the book is sent home from the teacher. Is the same as the parents who don't help their kids with homework. The parents who don't turn up to parent-teacher meetings. The amount of people I've seen who basically use homeschooling as a way to not have to put their kids in school and there are websites that will tell you the bare minimum paperwork you need to have to prove your homeschooling. Like course lists and subjects etc that are just pre-printed from online.
Is the same as the parents who don't help their kids with homework. The parents who don't turn up to parent-teacher meetings. >>> I'm a teacher and once I was teaching 3rd grade and some of the parents complained to the school because I never informed them about a test. The principal came to the class and checked their notebook and there it was, printed and glued to every notebook in the class with the themes and the date of the test. Those parents simply never checked their kids notebooks to see if they had any information. You can't trust an 8th year old to inform you about everything that happens at school. I had 43 students in that class and for parent - teacher meetings I was lucky if I had 15 parents
In medieval times most people didn’t know how to read and write…..If this is really something that comes naturally why didn’t they just figure it out themselves? 🤣
Honestly, and I think too it just shows how nowadays we take the privilege to just learn to read and write for granted, it use to be something only the very very rich could do
a big excuse that i see to unschool is so that their kids "dont identify as animals" .. but children have always done that , its called being a kid with a big imagination
What baffles me most is how innovative these parents think they are, when people in precarious conditions in my home country have been battling against the lack of access to proper education for DECADES. The only thing that’s new about them not putting their kids in school and having them struggle their way to life is that they CHOSE to.
Same, my great grandmother was illiterate as she didn't go to school in Macau a hundred years ago so she had to sign her name with an X. She could barely hold a pen and was very ignorant, couldn't understand anything that was beyond her neighbourhood and lifestyle. The next generation was slightly better. They know numbers and can read a little bit of a newspaper. But they're unable to learn new skills or understand anything beyond their experience, even struggling to understand people from non working class areas because they have a very limited vocabulary.
A problem that's not talked about enough regarding homeschooling/unschooling is that the children may also miss very important developmental windows of neuroplasticity that will never happen again in their life. It's an irreparable cognitive loss. Especially in early childhood, being exposed to the correct stimuli plays a very important role in determining your life-long intellectual performance. The effects of the lack of adequate stimuli during childhood are so severe that it influences our IQ more than genetics. Scary stuff, I feel sorry for them 😢
This honestly has to be a form of child abuse. It's setting their kids up for failure in this day and age. It's disgusting how they can cover this up with "homeschooling" I was in high school and I still had to submit all my things to the district and to get my diploma
My mom regularly reveals that she has a skill after I've started learning about it as a teen or adult. Why did she never offer to teach child me knitting or watercolour? Because i never asked. KIDS DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT TO ASK! Let alone about critical life skills. I'm in my 30s and just learned my mom knows book binding... But learning non-hobby things was not optional when i was a kid
My now adult kids ask me the same about some hobbies, which they weren't interested in when they saw me doing them or which I used to do and then stopped after they were born. I just apologize to them and give some basic info and if they want my knowledge now I definitely give it. Things like cross stitching and juggling just didn't make the priority list when they were little!
@@irisbear9421 lol i just now ask my mom before i start a new craft. She also stopped doing a lot of things when she was raising us. When i was in uni, my roommate tought me to knit. I showed my family and my mom commented "i could have taught you, i used to teach fair isle classes and sell my sweaters"... I didn't even know she knitted! But now it's like "if i wanted to make a leathercraft do you have stuff?"(yes, yes she does). But definitely these types of things are nice to have, not neeeeed to have.
I homeschool and after finishing our math unit we have taken a week for “ practical application “. We are calculating weights and measurements to spin the wool and weave a scarf. We have been having a blast using in real life everything we have done on paper these last six weeks in math. One of the best parts was discovering that some of are numbers were off and solving that puzzle. We will never finish the scarf by Friday but a seed has been planted and I dare say she will continue her project just for fun even when we hit the books on Monday for a new unit.
I used to have a classmate who was previously "unschooled". He was 11 years old at the time and couldn't count past 10, could not read or write, or do simple math. Unschooling harms children.
Look, as a disabled person, school was absolute hell to me, but i'd never have the nerve to say it was useless, i love to read, and even if very late, i made friends i love very much, the school system sucks ass, but the knowledge they give, at least on reading and writing and basic maths, is absolutely necessary
These ridiculous parents seem to forget that you need the fundamental basics before you can even DO intuitive learning. As a grown man in my 30s I can learn at will if I wish but you need to be taught HOW to learn FIRST.
Exactly. It’s one thing to take a high school age kid out of school to “unschool” them, but a damn child?? Especially a child that doesn’t even know how to read, write or do math. My fucking god the insanity and neglect of it all😩
@@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl Exactly that. A kid can't learn intuitively if they don't know how to learn or where to begin. How are they going to research things if they can't read?
@@chaoszonenate It blows my damn mind people are allowed to get away with this neglect. Like I said I can understand if it's a teen cause they already have the skills to learn how to study on their own since they know how to read, write and do basic math. That's not an issue. The issue is when you try to apply that logic to damn toddlers who have no actual skills yet and need to be taught how to read and write in order to study. It's ... I can't even form words I'm so damn annoyed and frustrated. These babies parents are setting them up for absolute failure and there's nothing any of us can do about it.
I'm in collage. I had normal education before and I still struggle with the structure of learning. I was that gifted kid who didn't have to study in highschool even for the finals. How in the hell are small children supposed to know how to do it? so absurd
absolutely not, ur just looking at parents who already post their kid on tiktok4 money, I did unschooling because curriculum schooling wasn't teaching me, I fell behind in school & accelerated after unschooling
I'm 26 and due to an accident in early childhood i was left with brain damage and dyslexia. It was hard and embarrassing growing up because it took me so long to learn or socialise and i remember how lonely i felt wanting friends and wanting To have a normal "good" brain. I wanted a job but instead I'm living off benefits and i feel like I'm just rotting away. I wanted to be an animator its abusive and insulting knowing these parents are as dull as a disabled person (not that disabled people can't be smart) but these kids are so incredibly low on their iq if they're willingly sabotaging their kids. I want a normal brain and i want to forfil my dream job but i can't and everyday that kills me knowing that I'm rotting away with that dream of mine. I'd never wish this for anyone its incredibly difficult and lonely. I'd cry in school because I was frustrated with myself.
@@zvezdoblyat my life story can't just b denied?? Unschooling has a bad rep because the only way 2 learn abt it is from tiktok moms that already film their kids 4 money
One of thise tik tokers is unschooling because a teacher called her wanting to know why her child had ten unexcused absences. The kid and the family had a nast case of the flu, and then the kid developed pink eye. All she had to was call the school, get a doctor's note,give the note to the school when the kid came back, and keep the kid at home. Instead, she unschooled the kid because she was throwing a tantrum.
School once scheduled a meeting with my parents because I was going on a family trip on *It’s Not Okay to be Away Day* and they basically said “our child has a near perfect attendance record, please get your priorities in order” - so I went on the trip but obvs wasn’t pulled out of school because of that!
I’m the woman from around the 13 minute mark who was unschooled, I appreciate your take on unschooling and bringing awareness but that video is quite old about 3 years old I would have worded a lot differently, it’s recently made a resurfacing and gotten into a few commentary videos, I’ve had Dr. Phil reach out to me about it and to be frank I’m a bit uneasy about the attention I’d love to talk to you or other creators to speak more about it. Since I’m not a large creator or anything I just made a video at 4am one night that happened to go a little viral and the attention has honestly brought me a lot of negative attention and has had people in my personal life assume things about my intelligence ect that’s been quite overwhelming I’d just like to ask any more creators wanting to use my video to ask or talk to me about it first before use it’s been quite strange having commentary videos with me in it that I had no knowledge of from people in my personal live. I do love the light being shed on the issue but the person affects for me from this kind of content hasn’t been good for me. Thank you! I stated in my comments of my original video and the other parts to it that I’d appreciate my video not being shared onto other social media platforms because I would prefer my family not to see it the vitality caused a lot of issues in my family dynamics that I am trying to heal and mend and hate hearing people insult my parents for a bad decision they made 20 years ago. I’m not asking for the video to be taken down but would love to speak! :)
it's so sad too that there are millions of kids around the world who would do anything to go to school and get an education but can't. and then these people are squandering the most important years of their kid's development for the sake of their own egos.
I homeschool my kids. I do it because my son is trans and despite what cookers think, schools are not safe spaces for trans kids, especially where I live (country Victoria). My daughter stayed in mainstream but suffered through so much bullying with no action from the school so ended up starting homeschool halfway through year 9. I make them do mandatory maths, English, and science. For the other subjects (the arts, tech and design, LOTE, history and social sciences, PE and health etc) that's where I let them sort of follow their interests. But still I scaffold their interests in to appropriate learning for their age and stage. For example, my son is super interested in mythological animals, so that easily scaffolded in to learning about ancient Greece and Egypt, and learning about various indigenous groups' mythology around the world. But if I left it up to him he probably just would have only learned about dragons and it would have limited his knowledge.
This sounds amazing. You’re a great mum. My mum took me out of school in Yr 9 because of bullying, too. I did so much better. I have several certifications and a Bachelors degree now. I had a good career before I got sick. I absolutely love mythology and mythological animals/cryptids. I’m also a trans guy. If your son ever needs to talk to someone, or if you need a tutor for English/creative writing, I’d be happy to help. Does that sound weird? Your comment just totally hit me because it was my journey, too. Again, you’re an awesome mum. Your kids are very lucky.
I'm a trans kid too! I'm a guy, and my parents are super unsupportive, not just in that nature but with like... everything else too lol. but I'm glad I'm going to public school. good on you for supporting your son, it makes a big difference.
How ever did they learn that?? It's almost like they went to an establishment that instilled the value of learning into the child. The name of this type of institution is right on the tip of my tongue... 😂
honestly despite everything it is the lady's comment at 15:55 that pisses me off the most. "My kid will obviously not have any opinions different from mine their whole lives, will not want to do anything I do not approve of as an adult, and so I don't need to teach them anything I don't feel like"
My friend was unschooled. She came to school when we were in 5th grade. being the nice person I was, I had to teach her how to read and write. The rest of the class shamed her for not knowing, but fuck they had no clue what unschooling was. :/
The level of incompetence of these parents is terrifying. The kids CANT follow their interests because they dont come out of the womb knowing about history, science, literature, art, math, sports, etc. How are they supposed to know what they want to learn? The parents dont care enough to give them the option. Its neglect and abuse, plain and simple, and these parents should be held responsible by the legal system.
This is wild. I had to be removed from school because of my medical issues. I was being bullied for it too. But, I was homeschooling. I still had to take those huge tests at the end of the year because it was a legal requirement. How these parents aren't going to jail baffles me. It is seen as abuse from the state if you choose to NOT school your children. My mom had to go before the school board and explain my medical issues and why I miss so much. I finally went and got my GED, BUT I wouldn't have been able to if I didn't go to school until 9th grade. Edit:fixed my fat finger typing
Depends on the state! I was unschooled and in my state I never had to do any tests and no one ever even checked to see if my parents were actually teaching me. More conservative states tend to have less strict rules about it unfortunately
@@JoIsAFOX yeah same, I feel like there should be MUCH stricter laws around homeschool. I also feel like there should be some sort of law ensuring that homeschooled kids are still being socialized, because I never got to learn how to socialize or have friends. I’m not entirely sure how they’d enforce that though
@@Night_Willows I want it not even just for socialization... The thought of a child who never interacts with anyone outside of family automatically makes me worry about abuse other than just social/educational... It's too easy to hide when no one else lays eyes on that kiddo.
@@JasperisCasper oh definitely that too. I was lucky enough to not be abused outside of the neglect that comes with homeschool itself, but not everyone is. It does seem VERY easy for parents to get away with abuse in an environment like this
Hello! I unschool my child, but I have a masters in teaching and I teach my neurodivergent son at least 5-7 hours a day directly. These ladies are insane. I would send him to public school if he wasn’t a bullying risk like you pointed out in your video.
I believe what these parents want is montessori school. I went during elementary and it really was amazing though I wouldn’t recommend for middle/high school if you want them to adjust well to society.
These people act like it is forbidden to learn anything on your own when you go to school. Like, its great that your child has an interest in geology or whatever but they can learn about it and go to school at the same time?? Like how is "i didnt learn everything i need for life in school" and argument for not going to school at all?
What's more, schools prompts so many interests, I developed my drawing skills with my amazing teacher, so many of my friends picked up drawing or learning extra languages that were not mandatory or harder maths for contests for fun, and meeting with other students you find new passions easily and have healthy amount of competition (I had fun trying to be better than my friends, I didnt havr fun "competing" with 1000 5 year old prodigies online)
Covid taught me and my young son that I am *NOT* built to be a teacher because we’re both neurodivergent and online schooling was hard 😂😭 I am sooo grateful for every teacher and make sure they get a gift and whatever they need now for class because I can’t do their job. My sister is in school to be a teacher and she was a blessing during Covid because I struggled in the beginning 😭🫶🏽
Yet many nurodivergent kids acc do thrive with homeschool lol i have complex truma from mainstream and aditional truma its acc bee proven mainstream causes truma to the nurodivergent brain 🧠
I have adhd and asd and did diplomas in a day with no uk gcses due to being systematicly failed by mainstream i did diplomas myself so this is why they are spectums
@@PixelTheExtraTerrestrial I’m sorry you had a bad experience with your education system. I live in Canada so I can’t really input on *YOUR* experience. My point/opinion still remains the same because me trying to be my son’s teacher during lockdown wasn’t beneficial for either of us. He was 4/5 years old when lockdown started which is a crucial time for their social development. Also, I couldn’t start the diagnosing process until last year along with other things like tics. His teacher(s) were the ones who noticed his symptoms during school. Without them I’d probably just be one of those parents who says “well EVERY kid has a lot of energy and is fidgety at that age.” There are pros and cons to the educational systems around the world. But some people aren’t meant to be teachers moulding the minds of children. Especially the parents in these videos.
This video actually made me appreciate my public school experience. Even with all the negative social interactions and bullying, I’m glad I was forced to learn something.
Oh one hundred percent same. It also made me appreciate how much my parents went out of their way to help me learn (ex, my mam would read me betime stories while letting me see the text so I learnt how words correspond with speech and it definitely being the reason I "taught myself" how to read.) and later with homework (staying up later to break down math so I could actually understand, from teaching me how multiplication works as an eight year old to my high school where my pa would make me walk through my logic to make me see where I did wrong.). Dgmw, I still struggled in school (autism, bullying, weird teacher situations (I dont think I had a single teacher around for more than one year until grade five through six.), schools shutting down leading to transferals, TWICE, getting kicked out of sixth grade due to being too stupid, being asocial...) but I doubt homeschooling would've saved me. All I needed were decent teachers, which I eventually got. Im also extremely glad to live in a socialist (ish. Its in a downward spiral. Fucking liberals.) country where schooling is mandatory and thus "unschooling" is illegal.
If the kids don’t know anything they’ll blindly believe what they’re told. It’s control. It’s neglect. It’s abuse. It’s a way to make sure your child will always need you. It also makes them so susceptible to other abusers because they won’t have the tools to understand they’re being harmed.
Listening to this I keep thinking about early America and before it was common to have a school in every town. The only children that knew how to read and write were the ones whose parents knew how to read and write and taught them. It's crazy to think that the child is just magically going to learn how to read and write.
I can understand the concept of homeschooling but not unschooling. this just feels so weird to me, the concept of not teaching the young what they need to know in order to succeed
I agree. My son is only 8 weeks old and I’m already out here trying to research curriculums because we’re considering homeschooling and I want him to actually learn! Unschooling is insane!
This is literally going back to the time when people had kids only as free labor for their farms, they would not send them to school and only teach them the trade since they were young. But even then they would be taught something that would help them in the long run, here what are they teaching them? How to mlm?
@@disneyprincessintraining2725 Hey! This may not solve the problem but just so you know. There are a lot of virtual schools that DO follow a plan and a curriculum, but they are pre-recorded classes from qualified teachers. You still have all the numbers of the teachers and weekly mandatory classes (only 1 and in zoom where you can talk with your classmates and homeroom- to say- teacher) you also have other classes you can enter if you want, like french, programming and all that. The kid is the one to decide when to do the classes and they still have exams and homework. I, myself, am in a school like this, and maybe something like this will work for you too! As your son is 8 years only, I would severely recommend you being on his side on all classes and attending A LOT of extracurriculars with other kids his age, and I can tell you that it will go just fine! He will learn to organize his own time (you will need to guide him on this, tho) and he will have a lot of free time to pursue what he wants to learn without missing any basic or needed for daily life subject. Also, and most important thing I forgot to mention, they are legal (at least where I live, Colombia) and your soon will receive a certificate and even have a graduation ceremony (I'm talking by experience. If you are indeed interested in this, I recommend searching it thoroughly)
Agree. Even the basics of unschooling seemingly being a branch of self directed learning, I can understand for a teenager who has the brain development and life experience to know what they'll need for adulthood. Not for a 3-7 year old child whose learning is directed by what's boring or not boring in the moment
@@ahstiasummers5583 Yes, I can see it as practice or an additional way of learning, but not the main one. Take your child shopping, show them plants, repair appliances with them, take them to your workplace and delegate simple tasks if possible, let them go to the library in their free time and only learn what they want; parents are supposed to do this anyway. But how can a child learn without any structure, without a curriculum with topics picked for our needs, without teachers who know how to explain properly? I agree that the public school system is far from perfect, and every child has personal preferences for learning things, but they are going to be so lost if left to learn by themselves.
Unschooled kid turned adult here. I flunked out of college thrice and barely graduated high school in the US because I grew up with no structure and was only learning what my parents viewed as correct. It was not what was best for me at all.
A softer version of this works best for neurodivergent children as masking is exhausting for children and adults alike but English has to be taught so it's best to make it super interesting and easy to understand
Australian librarian in my 20s here who works at a rural public library. I facilitate multiple kids clubs like an art club and a gamers group, I have MULTIPLE families with kids reaching highschool age that cannot even spell their names due to their “unschooling lifestyle”. It’s genuinely so distressing, the kids are so frustrated they can’t communicate but the parents do not care. They bring kids to coding club meetings once a month for their “science work” and that’s it!!! That’s all they get!!! We are not teachers we’re just librarians but somehow we are doing more for their own kids - meanwhile they’ll brag about how smart their12 year old is for writing “I love you mum” in the worst handwriting I’ve ever seen. It’s frightening. Learning is fun and although books and math can be a drag you gotta learn and make it fun bc it can be!!! Anyway a litttle tangent because this video made me feel so seen in my concerns for these kids
I'm someone who was homeschooled/unschooled, I'm 19 (turning 20 in a few months) and I can say with absolute certainty that it has fucked me over so much. I was pulled out of public school when I was in 4th grade because my mom was against "common core", she didn't want me taking the state tests, she didn't want me learning the way the school was teaching or learning what they were teaching. Originally she had asked me if I wanted to be pulled from school, she said that if I chose to stay in public school that she would be coming and sitting in on all of my tests, and all I could think about was that I was already getting bullied and that 100% would have made it worse, so I agreed. I only learned LAST MONTH that she wouldn't have been able to do that. I believed this lie even into adulthood. Shortly after pulling me out of school she learned about unschooling, she noticed that I didn't want to do math, english, science, history so she decided to do "interest lead learning". My "schooling" was doing art, going to parks, reading fiction books (my mom read to me while I drew), playing minecraft. I'm great at art now, it's my career, but that's all I know how to do. If I didn't want art to be my career I would be screwed because I don't have any other skills. It doesn't help that I'm already audhd and dyslexic so I'm even further behind than everyone else. My mom always said that if I wanted to go back to public school, she would let me. But when I asked in middle school she said no, then when I asked again towards the end of middle school she said no, start of high school she said no, junior year she said no. By the time I was in high school my mom had already hopped from the unschooling trend and tried to go back to normal schooling, but by that point I was so far behind that there was no hope of me catching up, I'm out of high school now and my 11 year old cousin is further along in her math than I am, a fact that my mom uses against me constantly to blame ME for why I'm so behind, blaming ME for not being interested in math. I should be going to college right now, but I tried to do that since I'm an adult and should be able to, but I'm still not allowed to go to school. Every time I've ever brought up going to public school it's always "well since you didn't want to focus on your studies you're too far behind, it would be like throwing you to the wolves" as if it's MY FAULT. I think there can be benefits to homeschooling but it is VERY rare that it works. The average parent cannot properly provide an education to their kids, there's a reason teachers have to go to school for this shit. Unless you went to school to teach, or are planning on signing your kid up for online classes, don't homeschool them, and absolutely do NOT unschool them. I'm lucky that I can read (somewhat because again, doesn't help that I'm dyslexic), can do basic math, and know at least a little from the first 4 years I had in public school, but I can't get a job because I don't have a GED or a diploma, I can't go to college because I'm at a 5th grade level in everything, and I can barely talk to anyone because lets not forget the years of socialization you miss out on with homeschool. Taking your kid to a homeschool meetup once a week will not cut it, I feel left out because I never had the normal childhood experience. Any time the topic of prom comes up all I can think of is that I was robbed of everything, people try to make me feel better by saying that their prom sucked or that they chose not to go to prom since it's overhyped and I get it, I really do. But you don't understand how privelaged you sound saying that. I didn't have a choice in anything growing up, y'all did. Also to add on, my mom also didn't even homeschool me legally, at some point she stopped registering me to homeschool with an affidavit (something that is legally required in both states I grew up in).
I’m so sorry that your mom treated you like this. But I wouldn’t say you’re at a fifth grade level for everything, you definitely write better than even most adults. You are still young and have your whole life ahead of you, you can still get your GED and I’m sure you’re perfectly capable of passing.
I’ve already made a comment like this on a video. I was unschooled exactly how the first mom explained it. I couldn’t read or write till I was around 11 anytime I talk to my mom about it, it turns into a screaming fight and because of this I don’t have a good relationship with my mom. I’m now in school and it is the best thing that has ever happened to me.
@@Alex_heheheI'm sorry about your difficult relatioship with your mother. Forgive my english, it's not my language (I decided to improve it in my 40's so this is something that makes me feel "behind", but being behind only means that you have room to improve :D ). Don't let your late start define your path. I'm sure you will do great and, as someone who helps students fix their math/physics/chemistry problems for a living, I can assure you that nothing is more precious in a teacher's eye than a student willing to improve his education. Ask for help when you need it, don't be afraid. I wish you the best. Hugs from Italy ❤
The fact that my 2 year old seems to know more than some of these 6+ year old kids makes me insanely sad. She gets an hour of ‘schoolwork’ a day doing letters, numbers, reading, and other things that will benefit her before she even starts school, not just for school but giving her a strong foundation for life. It’s neglectful parenting not to even have your kids in school if you aren’t going to teach anything yourself :(
@@nicolecrismon2038 not a parent but I've helped raise my younger sibling and was involved a lot in her learning! What worked best for me was trying to do a little "dance" or sing a "sit down" song, and if possible, sit down with the kid so they can copy you. Also follow up with a little reward like a high five or "great job!" For some positive reinforcement! :) best of luck to you🫶
@@nicolecrismon2038maybe a sticker system. Like a chart of 5 squares with some stickers and if they are good and sit then they get a sticker. When they get 5 stickers they get a prize/treat. It got my ass to sit. I wanted to be a good noodle like SpongeBob lmao
@@nicolecrismon2038It helps to give choices to mine, framed like a game. “Do you want to play an alphabet game in the living room or go outside and write numbers with chalk?” My daughter likes all the activities. She’s two, so if she doesn’t like something, I just switch it up.
I wouldn't be surprised if this "unschooling" movement results in starting an alternative school that is specifically made to help children in these situations. Because heaven knows these kids are gonna need it.
Everything they “teach” during unschooling is just basic parenting that I do when my kids are at home. weekends and school holidays are for my kids to do and learn about their favorite interests thats when we go to museums and zoos to see dinosaurs and animals.
if you want more kids to go to school, remember NOT to support mandatory vaxes for schoolkids. Otherwise you will lose all the antivaxer families from the public education system.
when i was six i wrote a pretty organized “nonfiction” book about cats!!! i loved cats so much and my mom took advantage of that, she gave a few books and told me to write my own. here are a few sentences from it (with the wrong grammar and spelling included) -cats are felins -they came from biger cats, like lions, tigers, and more! -now they are dometicatted and can live with us so that was my writing level at 6 ig *edit* dometicatted was not on purpose, i just realized it when reading through ppls replies and it is so cute (i will 100% be telling ppl it was on purpose tho)
12:17 I just had a girl in my community kill herself due to bullying. No assembly, just a couple announcements and no punishment for the students bullying the girl. America is so awful with these things. RIP Naveah 💕
Love your video. I'm an American public school teacher and I completely agree with your critique of the blatant deprioritization of mental health care. Many teachers do everything in their power to reach out to any student who may need someone, but there are also many that employ a more "boot straps" apporach. Then there's low funding that forces schools to share one Psychologist between 2-3 schools, giving them unbelievable caseloads. Not to mention the endless red tape caused by parent/teacher outcry anytime schools modernize their strategies. It's a complex problem (which I don't believe should be this hard) that would take a lot ot funding and buy-in to begin to remedy.
As a future secondary ed teacher, this absolutely just feels like ab*se. You are holding these children back from being ABLE to PERCEIVE and INTERPRET the world.
I was basically addicted to PC Minecraft around ages 8-12, if my parents didn't create a system for us to not be there all day, we WOULD be there all day. You need a guardian to GUIDE you bro, they're supposed to know what's best for you, not fail you like this.
My son loooves Minecraft he’s 9 and yes I tell him ok it’s time for a break put the iPad away parents have to parent not let kids do whatever they feel like
I went to public school and didn't gain those social skills either. But I'm also autistic and the other kids could tell there was something "off" about me and thus mostly avoided me.
Sooo I taught myself to read and talk by 1 but my brother had "Aspergers" (was just a lesser known form of dyslexia but was to over medicated (NP) to know any better) so everything in the house was labeled or had pitcures. I also loved reading which 90% of the kids around my age hated it, so to expect or assume your child will be the same is ridiculous.
The second woman used to be in the downline of a very famous MLM boss babe who believed she could cure her own cancer with the products she shilled and the woman in question passed from it. Before her passing the woman featured was talking about how great the products are and how they can cure cancer. I don’t think id trust her to teach any children.
Mom #2 in this video who claims she’s an entrepreneur is actually in an mlm called pruvit and refers to her children as her “downline” and her plan is to groom her children into joining her downline as soon as they’re 18 and limit their education so they have no choice but to join her mlm. She is limiting their education and as a result limited their options for their future. She is a terrible mother.
Isn’t she also the mom who gives her children weird names and seeks the attention of negative comments because of her content that’s „obviously satire“
Urgh! This winds me up. My oldest (10) has only been able to go to school full time this month: no other school would accept him full time until his current specialist placement. I had to stop working to accommodate his partial timetable and to homeschool when not in school to make sure he didn’t fall behind academically (and it’s paid off!) Education is so important and this mental gymnastics to justify not bothering is infuriating! 😬
Wow yeah I was thinking about people who go through hoops just trying to get their children into a productive school environment that will accommodate their needs! These TikTok moms are so entitled to bash the school system.🤦🏽♀️
as someone who has been unschooled all their life, i'm so glad this is finally being discussed :-/ .. my parents never bothered to teach me anything, the only skill they've really fostered is reading. i have TOO much free time to the point where i can't get myself to study anything i'm not already interested in, because i could be doing something else that i actually like. the only socialization i got (until a little over a year ago) with people in real life was with my siblings. it's so unfair, i wish i just had a normal education
my husband was unschooled (they called it homeschooling, but they let the kids choose when to school). He's 40 and just now getting a GED. This poor man, just told me his dream as a kid was to be a herpetologist. But he gave up (his words not mine) his dream because he knew by 17 that there was no way he could get into collage. And these parents think they are helping their kids, but really they are turely doing barely anything and setting them up for failure.
How? HOW?!?! Like, the playtime table we had for my goddaughter when she was 1 had the alphabet in it. Because she was on my tablet all the time, I had TONS of educational games. She had two pages of games for kids. ABCMouse had us covered for YEARS, with her and her younger sister. She’s almost 13 now. I don’t know how it’s anything but active neglect to go out of your way to intentionally not teach your children what they need to know to be a functioning person in our society.
@@dutchik5107 unfortunately that wouldn't do anything. the mother works in the legal system and I live in a VERY small town. They would immediately throw it out. theres been parents actively agree to m0l3sting their kids here and they've been ignored. In actuality, I think bringing cps into it would just worsen it
@@TheRonnieaj yeah, its definitely a horrible situation. It began about 10 years ago- the oldest was about 7 and the youngest was still unborn. For the sake of storytelling, we'll call the oldest John and the youngest Dan. John started struggling with making friends and focusing on his social life far more than he did his grades. At that time, he was doing fairly well in school. He was able to read at his level and his grades were passing fine. When he couldn't make any friends, he got upset and turned to his mother. He'd go tell her every single day they were "bullying" him. These kids never bullied him in any way, shape, or form. He just thought that would be a good excuse to stay home, and unfortunately, it worked. He was homeschooled for years after that. The homeschool program he was inrolled into I actually had to take during covid, so when I describe that, know I'm speaking from personal experience. They provide no actual work. The parents go into it and pick the classes, and it is on the parents to both provide the school work and grade it. The only thing the parents actually HAVE to do for these kids to graduate is pick all the required classes and turn in passing grades. They don't have to show work or anything like that. As im sure you can guess, she didn't provide any work. She would just go in and give him straight A's every 6 weeks. she did try sending John back to school. However, he didn't want to go. After about 10 years of absoluetly zero social interaction, he lacks any social skills, and with no real education since he was in 2nd grade, he's severely behind. They were going to put him in special education and force him to join a work program to get an actual diploma- which is a great thing truly. The thought of him being in special ed embarrased the mother, so she took him out of school again. Plus, being as conditioned as he is, he knew he didn't have to go. He would either accuse people of bulling him or start fights with his parents to not go. Flash-forward to the other kid, Dan. Dan has always been quote "her baby boy." This kid has never had an ounce of discipline in his life. This kid has broke about 7 televisions- with knives, guns, toys, you name it. He's also pulled loaded guns on people before, myself included. (Thankfully, the guns are now completely locked out of his access) The most punishment he's ever received is a short, calm scolding for things to that extreme. Before he was even put into school, he was given a cell phone with unrestricted access to the internet, and I'm sure you can imagine how that's worked out for him. He wasn't sent to school until he was in second grade. He didn't know how to read or anything, but they kept him in regular classes. Well, he decided he didn't like not being able to loudly blast people on youtube swearing at each other in the middle off class whenever he wanted, so he went home and complained until she took him out of school. People started judging the mother, and 3 years later, she sent him back to school. He was so far behind that he couldn't read a word. He knew like 2 letters of the alphabet, and he didn't know how they looked or where they went, just that these letters were somewhere within the alphabet. All that taken into account, they held him back a grade and said he would be required to take special ed. Well, again, that embarrased her. So she took his out again. Where we stand right now, both kids are "unschooled" and neither of them seem to be going back. The oldest is a senior with the mental capacity of a preteen and the other is turning 12 next month with absolutely no ability to read, write, do any basic math, etc. He hardly knows how to count to 20
@@theseventhcirce I can understand it's hard, but try to do at least something! This is so wrong and and you have witnessed it. I think It's your responsibility to do something about it because you are in it and can make a difference.
I went to public school until 7th grade then left to do homeschooling after being bullied relentlessly. During homeschooling...I ended up unschooling myself. My school work was online and I figured out my mom's password to her page so I could copy from the answer keys. (My mom had NO CLUE I did this until years later when I told her. I would purposely answer a couple wrong so she wasn't suspicious of the constant 100% grades.) I DEEPLY regret doing this. When I went to college I realized how far behind I truly was. I couldn't write an essay, didn't know what MLA formatting was or double spacing, and my math was at a high-school level so I had to take Intro to Algebra before even starting anything college level. I did this to myself and had to accept that but I can't believe that parents are doing this to their kids on purpose!
I only have a 10th grade education because i was sent to a alternative school for 11 grade and they didnt tech us nothing it was online and the vice principal gave me the teachers passwords and i did 11 and 12 grade copy and paste. When i went to college i didnt know how to do that stuff but i didnt give up cause all you have to do is ask alot of people helped me in school so dont give up i graduated with a 10th grade education for college
@@cr1s69 I'm still working on catching up with people my age. It's embarrassing sometimes but I'm luckier than these kids who are being raised from the start like this.
@@SemiAdorable You have done extremely well so far. Don't be embarrassed, consider yourself an inspiration, your experiences count treble when multiplied with good education x
I’m going through this rn 😔 Abt to go to Highschool but l was home schooled through the 6th - 7th grade and I think I’ve fallen behind bc of this , have you managed to catch up on it also gl btw!!
this sounds like Montessori schooling without the structure even at a Montessori the kids are still taught basic things, just instead of being told answers teachers instead guide students to the correct answer like "what's 1+2?" instead of saying "3" the teacher might instead pull out a bunch of balls and ask the student to pick 1 ball, then 2 balls and put them together, then ask them to count how many balls they have
This reminds me of this post I've read on reddit (r/Argentina) A girl posted that her mother hired 2 bricklayers to take care of some minor repairs on the house (ages around 35 - 45) and they discovered that OP's mother was a teacher, they asked her if she could teach them how to read because they've never been taught to do so. The teacher was of course excited to do so and they were so happy... The first thing one of the men was able to write was "I want to learn how to read because it helps me escape from the darkness", this is a common thing, they are from a poor family who never had the chance to send them to school so they had to learn a profession to help the family from a young age being deprived of a normal childhood. But to know that people in a first world county are doing this INTENTIONALLY to their children... This is negligence, they have no idea how much they are hurting those kids.
Thank you SO MUCH for doing this video. I’m going to apologize in advance for this essay but as someone who was “unschooled” until 8th grade before choosing to enter a normal public high school, I have personal experiences that I thought people might find relevant. To start: Most homeschoolers I grew up with want it banned in the US like in other countries, including myself. I am 31, and I have watched my homeschool generation complete K-12, go to college (or not), and enter the workforce. Many of us were highly intelligent kids who collapsed upon entry to the "real world" because our parents thought they were qualified to pull us out of school at a young age and teach us every subject with no teaching degree (often no college degree at all, in my mother’s case). This generation of homeschoolers will be worse, as their learning is even more unstructured than ours was and homeschooling is entirely unregulated in many states. This is my opinion as a homeschool “success story” who thrived academically after entering public school and got a full ride to college. The reality is that most homeschoolers I know who found success survived in spite of being homeschooled, not because of it. They could have achieved the same things in a conventional academic setting (probably even more) without having to reprogram themselves to live in the "real world". Back to unschooling- when I was a kid "unschooling" was a style of homeschooling that allowed the child to have more control over their curriculum. I could ask to do a science unit on a subject that interested me or pick the novel I would read for English. As a kid who loved learning, this worked for me, and I was lucky that it worked well enough to prepare me to succeed in a normal high school (I was socially crippled but academically OK). However, it's rare to find kids who genuinely love school, and this is why unschooling rarely works as intended. These social media "unschoolers" aren't even unschooling, they're just doing nothing. I already know what happens to homeschoolers with lazy parents, and it's tough to watch new homeschoolers being "educated" in line with social media trends. We are going to have another generation of homeschool survivors, except with increased illiteracy. It's not going to be good. Lastly and perhaps most importantly: We need to start having real conversations about homeschooling and emotional abuse. As adults, many of my "homeschool friends" have cut off contact with their families or at least one parent, including myself. Narcissistic parents thrive as homeschool parents, as it gives them full emotional control over every part of their child's life. Having been in the thick of it, I watched many if not most kids become hyperdependent on their parents well into their teen years. Their “homeschool moms” seemed to revel in this. Homeschooling is fraught with codependency and abusive emotional patterns and no one talks about it, and I have watched it destroy the lives of young people who had huge potential. Sorry again for the full-length essay but thanks if anyone read this far.
Thank you for being the only person to mention it; that homeschooling and unschooling are most about *parental control.* Because the second a kid starts interacting with peers and people on the "outside," they might learn that how they're being treated is wrong.
@@Rowan.Evander exactly. as an example, bashing public school kids is a very common hobby for homeschool parents. they purposely raise their kids to think they're better than 98 percent of their peers, stifling any urges to associate with anyone not in the homeschool in-group. you can see this in the comment section of any video criticizing homeschooling. when the same kids go into the real world and can't hack it, they have to question their entire upbringing and identity. when I entered public high school after being homeschooled I experienced this to an extent, but it's often overwhelming for people who are homeschooled until college. I had a brilliant friend who self-isolated to prevent a mental breakdown for their entire freshman year because they couldn't handle the social aspects of studying at a university. they had been told they were absolutely brilliant, flawless, etc., and would be socially popular and a leader because they'd always taken that role within their group of homeschool friends. they were raised in an alternate reality and dumped into a harsh world. it's blatant manipulation and emotional abuse that exists to boost the egos of parents, and in the end, the kids have to pick up the pieces of their own lives and rebuild themselves to survive adulthood.
I was born before the internet became a regular thing (1974) and I can only say: make sure your kids learn to read and write, learn to understand information. Life can change really quickly and they can only adapt to new information if they can get that information on their own. Never has it been more important to be able to read and interpret new information than it is today.
Unschooling is insane. In most countries it's not even legal, it is a basic human right for basic education. In my country you can homeschool your child, but the child still needs to go to school for tests and exams. If a kid is not doing well, they go back to school.
I have an uncle around 54 who still cannot read (he can barely write) because his mother chose unschooling. any letters OR ANYTHING IMPORTANT, I have to read to him. he is constantly ashamed and embarrassed when he has to ask somebody. To this day, he still wishes his mother would've sent him to school normally so he could've had more opportunities as an adult.
My parents pulled me out of school in 4th grade (for good reason, I may add. I was being bullied constantly, cried every day, got in trouble the one time I defended myself. Parents were fed up with the school blaming me) and my mom took to homeschooling me Issue was, I uh. Hated it? I hated the work and because my mom didn’t know I’m neurodivergent at that time, she had no idea how to properly teach me and so I massively fell behind. I ended up getting lonely and wanted to learn how to play the violin, so my mom set me up with like, one class a day in middle school so I could test the waters again after getting out of my horrible elementary school. Ended up switching to three classes a day by 8th grade, and then it really hit me that I hadn’t been *learning* anything important like math and stuff for the past four years. I ended up going to public high school full time after that, and I. Certainly was not caught up in my math classes, but I managed to pull through. My experience with homeschool is definitely nowhere near as bad at the whole unschooling thing, but I definitely felt bad for how far I fell behind. I don’t actually blame my parents either, my mom really did try to keep structure and curriculum in my life. It just wasn’t the right one for me. Being a parent and teaching your kids yourself is definitely gonna be a challenge. The “let the kids do whatever” route DEFINITELY isn’t gonna work tho, that’s how I ended up not knowing how to do long division and cried during math when a substitute was like “let’s do middle school level math” lol I’m glad I was able to catch up in the end, but that was a rough patch of my life. Glad I’ve graduated high school and don’t have to really worry about that anymore
"unschooling" is just a word people use so they dont get their kids taken away for child neglect. "nono, im not completely ignoring the wellbeing of my child. im ✨️unschooling✨️ them. they just have no interest in being functioning human beings, so i havent taught them how."
The thing I don't understand about this is that one the one hand it seems like lazy parenting, but on the other hand, wouldn't it be kind of easier to bring your kid to school and let the school teach them, rather than having them with you 24/7?
Here in my country, by law, you have to go to school or be homeschooled but you have to take anual tests to see if you are getting the knowledge you are supposed to have for the grade. If your kid is not going to school (at least until 8th grade) you can go to jail for neglect
I wasn’t enrolled in middle school but thankfully fought my way to get into hs; even that fucked me up. My mother was neglectful and not just educationally; cps didn’t get involved bc there was no serious abüse and so I had to stay. Thankfully 14 yr old me had the foresight to know I needed college to get out and the stubborness to fight to catch up when i finally did get back into school
@@CassTeaEllewhen I was stuck at home for 3 years during middle school, I was either glued to my phone watching UA-cam or sleeping. It was extremely depressing; I fought to get in hs and an in college now and sometimes listen to songs from back then to remember how far I’ve come and how hard I fought.
This HAS to be a form an abuse. Where’s CPS!? Just bc you’re not yelling at them over little mistakes, taking away meals, or straight up beating your kids black & blue doesn’t mean this isn’t abuse. Intentionally withholding basic life skills is still a form of harm😭
I took 2 different childhood development classes, and one of the FIRST things they told us was that children NEED structure. I understand maybe some parents don’t like their school’s curriculum. But children still need a structured education made by professionals.
Seriously, I was an unschooled kid and I craved structure so much that I would create my own work sheets for my brother and cousins and I to all do . I was so jealous of my neighbors in school , I even wanted to wear a uniform
@@baby.nay. I’m very sorry that was your experience. It should never be a child’s responsibility to make their own education. I have sever social anxiety and other issues from being sheltered, I can’t imagine not being able to leave for school on top of that!!
I've done homeschooling/online school this year, as a 16 year old with undiagnoised adhd (my moms conservative) and its literally impossible for me to study or do anything, I know I cant really relate to the struggles of kids who go through "unschooling" But I can't even sit down and do school work without closing my laptop after only doing an hour of work, I can't imagine what unschooling is like for these kids especially if they have any mental disabilities. Unschooling is child abuse.
I’m in pretty much the same situation. I’m also 16 and I know for a fact that I have autism and ADHD and it’s so difficult for me to focus AT ALL, and it doesn’t help that my mom doesn’t even look at the work I do most of the time. I was not allowed to go to school because they’re going to “indoctrinate” me and “make me believe in evolution” and now every time I’m in a class I immediately quit because I can’t mentally handle it. As if I don’t feel ostracized enough as an autistic queer person, I don’t even go to school. If homeschooling is this bad I don’t even want to think about if I was unschooled. Jesus fucking Christ.
I was honestly so close to being home schooled when i went to middle school and im greatful i wasnt because i know i wouldnt have learn and found out my true self without my friends and school.
this is not really the main point of the video, but i just wanted to thank you for bringing up bullying in a way you did here. i was severely abused by my peers, and now i have bpd among other chronic illnesses and disabilities. we need people like you to talk about it as the form of abuse it is and not sugarcoat it.
My mom’s friend has a niece and her mom “homeschooled” her because she thought public school would corrupt her. She’s a few months younger than me (I’m about to be 19) and I could instantly tell that she had no social skills. She wasn’t being rude, she just didn’t know how to interact with people her age. We saw each other again and we bonded over shows and UA-camrs we watch and she opened up and looked a lot happier than she did the first time I met her. Since she wasn’t properly educated she’s now getting her GED. She’s struggling in math and had to go down all the way to a 4th grade level…honestly I would’ve been so discouraged especially if I was friends with someone like me who’s in college. I feel bad being around her because I don’t want her to feel behind/discouraged/ or even upset with me. She is a very sweet girl though so I’m going to continue to be her friend and help her if she needs it.
I currently have a best friend who's been unschooled since 6th grade--all because her parents didn't "trust" the school system, and now as an adult, it not only affected her mentality, but she doesn't know how to spell, read, nor communicate when we're talking on the phone (which is the only way we can talk to each other because her lazy ass parents force her to stay home to parent her newborn siblings cuz she's and "adult so she is responsible for her sisters") NO SHE IS NOT SHE IS NOT THE PARENT INSTEAD OF MAKING HER SIT AT HOME ALL DAY, PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, PARENT HER BABY SISTERS, U NEED TO GET HER SOME BOOKS. And not ONLY they dropped her out and forced her to take responsibilities they're supposed to have, but they're using charity from a church for free money because they don't even have jobs! I understand their ignorance is the cause why she feels so lonely and awkward and uncomfortable nowadays, but she seriously pretends we haven't been friends for over a decade by acting as if I'm not doing enough for her by saying she feels left out yet makes excuses last-minute when we actually have plans and rants to me out of the blue for hours about how insecure she feels than turns around and talks about these strangers she meets online she's befriending that she "is more comfortable with". And when it comes to fun events, she compares herself to me. This is a situation she needs to get herself out of if she's refusing for me to. As a legal adult, she can walk her happy ass out of the house if she feels the way she does instead of milking the situation and lying to me about a lot of things. I even told her, "It's not your fault; it's your parent's from taking so many opportunities away from you. Such as experiences, social gatherings, education, senior events, and us graduating together." And literally it's been so bad lately to the point our conversations r extremely dry because we've NOTHING to talk about unless it's about herself because she doesn't know how to stay connected to what I tell her--whether topics are basic, or seriously bad, or good. She's been very negative about everything Like I said, since she's refusing to accept my support and help, she needs to get herself out of this and seek professional help because I'm not a therapist 😢💔
That's tragic... The parents are selfish and neglectful and immature, this daughter is so messed up because of it. She needs to get out of there cause she can't see clearly. Maybe you can help her in some way - find some church missionary program or camp or something, where she can get away for a while? Maybe being around the good part of religion and away from her shitty life at home. And maybe there's resources in the church to help with therapy? I only mention church stuff because it seems like the framework she's been raised in.
@@maedesmond2461 Tbh idk how any of that stuff works so idk how to help her like that, but I repeat what I said: her fam is using charity from a church to gain money cuz like u said, they're abandoning her by not getting a job and work for money instead of the easy way out by taking/stealing it from a charity they don't need that's for families that r struggling financially. I agree, she's grown so she needs to get out. But everytime we do manage to go out, her parents r with us. We even compromise that it's "just us" yet her whole family invites themselves. So, idk, she can sneak out and leave a note or something and come over to my house. What's her excuse why she can't come over? "I'm not comfortable with going to other's houses without mom. You can come over to my apartment, instead." I'm fighting so hard for her, I feel like church is what we both need cuz idk how much longer I can take leadership of everything and trying to benefit both of us. I feel more like her therapist/parent than a friend she knew since 3rd grade. I am religious so I'm trying to stay faithful of when this will finally end
Oh and we've called DHS on her fam on multiple occasions but nothing was done about it because they assumed the kids were in no actual harm. In my state, they don't take abandonment seriously unless the children r physically abused
@@Cadence__1700 you can either keep pouring from an empty cup or put the cup down for a while. Things may not change for her unless she's completely alone. You seem to always be there for her which she is heavily looking to you for answers and a way out but one day you're going to be tired of it and just won't have any energy left to deal with her. She's stuck as a victim but needs to learn she has control over herself.
@@Sebastian-Draegon Exactly even I told her that in a recent altercation we had, but she kept arguing more and making more excuses, so I literally ghosted for about two weeks since that conversation because she has completely drowned me. I used to love talking to her and I'm always smiling on the phone, but now I feel as if I can't stand a single message from her. As she kept distancing herself, so did I and I've been feeling different about us. And a difference in me. Like, a confidence I didn't know I had since I began doing things for myself since I held off my plans because I used to think she would join me
hai! i was unschooled until 3rd grade!! i first learned to read, write, and do math when i was 8 years old.. not only that but i was bad at socalizing too because i was only around my mom and my 4 siblings. my mom denys the fact that i couldnt read until i was 8 because we texted but how we texted was i would only rely on the microphone tool, i literally learned nothing for the first 8 years of my life because i would just play my xbox and watch youtube all day
And then when the kid is an adult who is living with the parents whom will most likely be "I don't understand why my child can't get a job" or "why my can't my child hold onto an job " or "why can't my child get an girl or boy "
Friendly reminder that homeschooling is often a way to further isolate children in an already toxic (abusive) environment. There have been multiple cases of horrific child abuse in the US that went unknown for so long in part due to all of the children being homeschooled.
Her son may know abt minerals and animals but he does not know how to NOT scream and cry in the middle of the lego isle at target. I fear for the future
I am currently applying for law school, i am so grateful i was never “unschooled” i had a very abusive home life and going to public school gave me a safe place where my life was organized and not thrown into chaos and i could see my successes come to pass and learned to build my self confidence, and perseverance and ended up graduating early having completed two years of my undergraduate degree by age 19. Also studying Law is badass!
Bruh let me tell you, I had a roommate who treated her kids like this and her 12 year old son wasn't able to hold his bladder because she never potty trained him. Poor kid was always embarrassed because he would literally pee himself on accident all the time. It's sickening to do that to your kid.
Language is one of the developmental milestones checked by pediatricians. If a child doesn't meet the milestones for their age group then they are diagnosed with developmental delay
I love how these people were saying "School stresses my kid out so I pulled them out. I tried teaching them how to read once and they complained and I never bothered again. I don't understand why my child can't read".
People don't understand that moments of discomfort and struggle and boredom are essential to being able to learn and grow.
theyre telling on themselves. a good teacher, whether professional or a parent homeschooling, makes learning painless. you can get a kid excited about any basic skill, even math, just by teaching them the purpose and making them feel capable and supported.
if your kid doesnt want to learn to read and write, its because you failed to show them the joy of being able to communicate with others, or the joy of being able to read what things are to make their own choices.
When I was younger I hated reading with a passion, but my mom always kept pushing it to me whenever she could and now it's one of the activities I enjoy the most.
@@renfrien7009Idk about that. No matter how fun it was supposed to be, even in computer games, I’ve always hated math and number-oriented stuff. I learned it and did decently but I can’t say no one tried to make it fun-just has never been and never will be my thing.
@@Window4503 There's no such a thing as something that "isn't your thing" our monkey brains are made to learn and play, and they most of the time understand both as one and the same. I failed math during my entire high school, to turn out and become one of my favorite subjects in uni, is just a matter of how its presented
I was "unschooled" because I was homeless most of my childhood but I was interested in STEM (I'm now in college for physics after extensive tutoring) I would have done anything to go to school and prioritize my education earlier and not just teaching myself through old librabry books (if i was lucky to find one). This is diabolical. We have to stop gatekeeping and witholding education.
Honestly, though you should be incredibly proud of yourself, especially to be in college for physics After dealing with all of that. Congratulations though I wish you the best!
I’m sorry for how you grew up. I’m so proud of you for being able to make it this far. I hope you’re doing well❤❤
So proud of you
God speed to you, and your incredible achievements! I was homeless in high school, and that was a struggle to keep up with long commutes. I'm so proud of you, and agree. I went into Library Technician because of my interest and love from those times. Kids need structure and challenges
that’s such a good perspective: education is such an important privilege all children deserve, and intentionally and willingly withholding it is just terrible. and i hope college goes great :)
I am one of these kids. My parents 'homeschooled' me and my siblings and from 4-7, the schooling was state mandated (around 2008 the state stopped mandating and instead moved to state testing yearly which my parents didn't enroll us for). Instead of properly schooling us from the ages of 8-18 they hid us from the state- I remember talking to CPS as a kid so many times and they would ask me to write something for them or do basic math (all of which I can do) and then one day they stopped checking on us. Years and years went by without learning a single thing or any structure at all besides being Mormon (which had its own issues). I got a worker's permit at 14 and worked a fast food job until I was 19 when I decided I wanted to get my GED to have 'finished high school' like all of my peers had done.
Lo and behold I was dumber than a bag of rocks. The pretesting teacher told me I had as much chance to graduate as a slug of growing arms and legs. After weekly schooling (4-6 nights a week after work) from 19-23 I finally got my GED in April of 2024. BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE! When I got to college classes (trying to pursue a plant degree) I was so severely behind in almost every subject. Biology which would have been taught in middle school, I didn't know. Math that the teacher said was from 5th grade, I wasn't familiar with and therefore hit a mental block. It has been literal hell at every turn and I struggle everyday with the knowledge I will eventually have to admit that I am not smart enough to continue with school but I also cannot afford to pay back the Pell Grants now. I am quite stuck and all my parents have to say is "Arent you glad we homeschooled you?" No ma, I'm actually dying inside.
Sorrry for the long rant guys I just still cant process the amount of not only schooling but memories and things I missed out on because of my parents.
Please, please, don’t think you are dumb ; you absolutely seem to have a highly functioning brain, and someone with a lot of strength and will, determined to overcome difficulties. I send you all my respect ❤
@@biale190 thank you so much that means alot ❤️ I will keep fighting for education and furthering my life for the better 😄
@@Volvo50c yes, keep fighting ! And don’t forget to be kind with yourself, you absolutely deserve it (and that awful pretesting teacher should have help you devise a plan, instead of being such a -add your favourite insult here-). Please know that I’ll remember you
Just a heads up, if you truly received a Pell Grant, that is something that doesn't need to be paid back. It's a grant--a gift, if you will--for those in need to pay for college. There are SOME exceptions, from what I understand, but without knowing all the specifics of your enrollment or withdrawals, I can't speculate on whether you owe. I just know that in most cases, it's not like a loan that needs repayment.
@@witchskee I was told that but I also am worried if I am stupid and drop out that I’ll owe all that money back which I very much don’t have sadly
Reading to your children is something a parent should be doing anyways. Most of what that one entrepreneur mom was saying she was going to be doing is regular parenting things. Taking your kids to the library, exploring nature and your environment, cooking together, shopping and learning about foods and prices, and reading to and with them. These are all things that parents should be doing with their children. It's insane.
Additionally, you can teach them to read and write, and mathematics. And ALSO follow their lead on things they express interest in. They are curious about mushrooms? Great! Find books in the library, look up information online, go on walks searching for mushrooms. Find recipes that use mushrooms (hello, math!), plant mushrooms, have them draw and write about what they notice while they are growing. What do they wonder? What experiments could they do? How can they discover which environments they grow best in? So much can be done following their natural interests BUT incorporate reading, writing, math, scientific principals, etc. into their learning.
Hard skills and soft skills as well. Hard skills like learning how to drive when comes time, how to use a credit card, how to ride the bus, how to use the internet, how to ride a bike, how to work the TV etc. Soft skills, interacting with others, observing body language, assessing situations, critical thinking, morals. Those are all so important for children, they can learn how to physically function in society with hard skills, and learn how to mentally navigate the physical world with soft skills. I understand that soft skills are just as if not more important than hard skills, and that seems to be where these unschoolers are trying to go. But they are putting in the BELOW MINIMUM effort. Children rely on adults, and when the adults they rely on don’t take care of them, we end up with kids who are too far behind to have good lives and survive.
@@armceC7106 you just described homeschooling!
@@laurennegley6905 They described regular parental activities.
Yeah, I do all those things with my kid. He also goes to Kindergarten. That's just parenting.
The fact that Education is a literal HUMAN RIGHT for people and these "parents" basically taking it away from their kids is absolutely disgusting. It's neglect and taking away a right. People who treat their kids by unschooling shouldn't even be parents at all as they clearly dont care for their child's education. The children will not have a stable job in the future because they never learnt to read or write or had any sort of education. Education is highly necessary for kids to help them with the future. I'm honestly surprised as to how some 'parents' who unschool their kids aren't thrown behind bars, it isn't human
It's because homeschooling regulations and children's rights are garbage in the US
These ignorant fools can just claim that educating their kids is against their religious rights, and they get a free pass to ruining their kids' lives. It's ridiculous that this country has wandered so hard to right-wing religious nuts that they're given a free pass to take a wrecking ball to their kids' lives and well-being. There are states that have legal protections for parents who let their kids die due to "faith healing" because they claim their religion is more important than getting their kid a doctor. It's insane. These people are given too much leeway to do idiotic crap.
Malala was SHOT IN THE FACE because she wanted an education. Girls in Africa and the Middle East are being held captive from going to school. Only in developed countries do we go backwards on purpose
As someone who was homeschooled everything I earned was based on my own personal interests. I LOVED ancient Egypt so I spent a WHOLE year learning through reading books about it (language arts) and the LITERAL history. Just because you want to focus on your kids interest doesn’t mean you have to leave it up to them. My mom had a daily agenda every single morning so I would do stuff. But it was still on my own time! And we were still done with school before noon. These people are robbing their children’s chance at life.
Amen, Amen. I did years of latin and ASL because i wanted to and she fostered my love of history which eventually became my college degree. But that doesnt mean she ignored the necessary skills required for our state’s testing and the SAT/ACTs
Thank you! I was taught a similar way! I was (and still am) obsessed with the Wild West and learned all I could about it. Even though I was mad at my mom sometimes because she wouldn’t let me watch documentaries on the Wild West because I had to do math. 😂
Years later, I’m even making a Wild West town in Minecraft with my sister.
I am an absolute bookworm. A nerd even. Funnily enough, I actually hated reading when I was still learning. But my mom encouraged me to keep reading. Now I’m working on my own books.
Getting personal for a second, I do not do well socially. I know for a fact that I would do horribly in school. When I did go to school I was bullied by everyone, even the teachers!
Homeschooling was the best thing to happen to me. ❤
See that's doing it appropriately. These other people seem to be insane lol
Yeeeesss! This is the good side of homeschooling (not to be confused with unschooling😭). I have a checklist of things I gotta do each day and I have curriculum, but the curriculum is what my mom chooses based off my interests. I’m in high school now so I’m learning stuff based off of what career I’m interested in if that makes sense? I do regular math, literature, composition, science, foreign language, history, grammar, and health each day buuuut I got to choose to do forensic science because I’m interested in it and to learn Japanese because I’m interested in that too!! The freedom is nice, but PLEASE teach your children how to read and write..😭 I can’t get behind unschooling. Sounds nice in theory, but there are certain things you gotta know to get by in society. Plus, it’s good to equip your kid for college if they choose to pursue a career that requires higher education when they’re older. Unschooling can’t get you that!
Holy yap💀 sorry for rambling. I got a lot to say abt this topic pffft plus I know a family who unschools and YIKES! I feel bad for them.
literally, you can still follow your child's interests without just leaving them free to do whatever the hell they want all the time! like with your ancient egypt example, you can literally do so many things with that interest - first/native/main language arts (reading about anything will improve your language skills + you can learn to write essays on this topic), linguistics (egyptian, hieroglyphs, introduce different types of scripts, phonetics, evolution of languages), history (obvious), politics (of ancient egypt), geography (of ancient egypt), agriculture (agricultural techniques of ancient egypt), climate science (to explain why ancient egyptians faced the weather conditions they did at the time and how it impacted them), chemistry (process of mummification). this is just off the top of my head too. like if these parents really wanted to, they could do this with their kids. introduce new concepts and information by relating it to the thing their child is interested in. i genuinely think you can reliably cover everything like this because everything is related to everything else. but they don't want to teach their kids anything. they just want their kids to hang out and learn to cook because apparently if you also give them math class they'll forget how to turn a stove on
As someone who’s studying to be a teacher, unschooling is a gross misinterpretation of “student directed learning.”
Those terms seem so diferent! Unscholing as a term sounds more confusing than student directed learning
Yeah, student directed learning sounds really good and helpful to me, but unschooling? Absolutely not. I think homeschooling in general isn't the best option for most kids. Kids need social interactions with other kids their age to learn how to socialize.
Yes, exactly correct!
I’m a teacher and I agree
@@ScaredyCorvidas a homeschooler that has a fairly large friend group and a best friend you dont need to go to school for social interaction kids can go to the park or mall or make friends in their neighborhood school is forced interaction and being around the same age and opposite gender could be distracting when your learning
Most of the things I’ve learned by myself, I’ve learned by READING.
It’s a fundamental skill.
Yep. It surprises me that most of these parents say their children are not interested in reading and, therefore, don't learn to at the moment.
Struggling to learn to read? That's understandable; I had my moments, too.
Unable to interest your child in reading? That I cannot even comprehend. Every topic, every part of life, and every concept can be learned by reading.
If someone can't get their children into reading, I don't think they have ever tried to.
Yes!! Skills like reading, cooking, math, etc, are basic skills and completely refusing to teach your child them is AWFUL
Developmental psychology has proven YEARS ago that children NEED intervention with learning. This should be considered abuse.
It really should be. They're intentionally declining (in the US) free education services and handicapping their kids for life due to their own negligence.
this would've been illegal in europe
@@clementpoon120 i don't understand how it isn't illegal in the US? i thought school was obligatory up until a certain age
It is 1000% abuse. This leads to suicide and suffering.
@@user-cs5um6em6z In most US states there are no requirements or check ins on homeschooled kids
Feeding your child's interests is NOT mutually exclusive with getting them a proper basic education ! They have to learn what they need to navigate the world and make their own decisions. You absolutely can and should nurture their passions and hobbies, encourage them to pursue the skills they're interested in, NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF BASIC NEEDED SKILLS.
Also how will they be exposed to different interests if their parent isn’t at least exposing them to it; i didn’t know I liked chemistry and languages until I got into public highschool and had those classes.
They're seriously crippling their own children from getting the essential education they need. With no planned curriculum, and making sure their kids are at least up to par when it comes to the standardized tests. There's gonna be a lack of learned socialization they can get from other non-familial kids in a formal setting too
Yeahhh.. I can’t get behind unschooling for a lot of reasons, but as a homeschooler this is a huge issue too. If you’re not a part of a co-op or homeschool group then you don’t have any chance to socialize. Not to get too personal or anything, but I’ve been homeschooled my entire life and I am insanely behind socially. No friends, no opportunities to leave the house and talk to anyone my age. It’s super isolating, dude. Sorry for yapping, I appreciate you mentioning this!!! 🫶
@@crunchycookie6712i’m homeschooled as well because school just didn’t work for me, i’m quite content being alone though and i have my bf which is enough for me. but i get you, sometimes i just wanna go out and do something fun but i have to do it alone. most of my socialisation happens online and sometimes i feel like i am mentally younger than my peers? like others my age are somehow more adult idk
A thing that's not talked about enough is that these children may also miss very important developmental windows of neuroplasticity that will never happen again in their life. It's an irreparable cognitive loss. Especially in early childhood, being exposed to the correct stimuli plays a very important role in determining your life-long intellectual performance. The effects of the lack of adequate stimuli during childhood are so severe that it influences our IQ more than genetics. Scary stuff, I feel sorry for them 😢
I didn’t learn to read or write until I was 7 but it’s because I have learning disabilities, my parents really tried and ultimately succeeded in teaching me, but my brain just doesn’t learn as fast as normal people
Uschooling is just like an excuse to let their children do anything, with those type of parents just saying that is letting them choose what to learn, when they are LITERALLY KIDS 💀
I don’t want to hear these parents complain when their children become lazy, uneducated burdens to society.
Ikr! Like it can work but these people are imbeciles! There is no way it will work with THEM. They just don't want to parent.
Exactly, like how is a kid supposed to know what they want to learn when they don't even know what is there to learn? And I'm pretty sure that even if one of those kids said that they want to learn mathematics, their parents wouldn't let them or wouldn't be able to teach them
this is true, I started unschooling at 15 when I was too depressed to go to school and instead of getting my diploma I've been studying to get my ged. at least I knew what I needed to learn and how to put myself into classes to get where I need to be 😭 a 5 year old can't do that. I like It tho because it's helped me to have more time to explore my hobbies and interests and develop myself as a person
They need to at least be taught how to read and write and basic math. Their kids probably aren’t going to want to do it but it’s the best to have them learn at a young age and they NEED to know that.
Early Ed Major/Teacher here- there is a MASSIVE amount of research that proves that reading/writing skills do NOT form naturally within children’s minds. And there are so many parts of reading and writing that are so complex that you have to teach scientifically and systematically over time, that the claim that a child is doing everything “by themselves” is absolutely false. Sure, it may look as though the child is “writing” but they are not comprehending what they are putting on the page. To a child who is not literate, copying down letters is the same as copying a drawing from a book.
Hmmm...my aunt learned how to read at 4 without any teacher. I'm sure that's really abnormal though. There seems to be a wide range of when children are ready to read. Many kids aren't ready for reading at 5. Some aren't ready until closer to 8. I've seen this in homeschool, private school, and public school kids all alike. That's why there is such a huge reading level range for independent reading in the early grades.
@@rh10033 I learned to read at 5 before I was in school, so yeah, that happens. But only because I was very interested in hearing stories and asked my parents to read to me every day. I also studied the pages while they read to me, so at some point the connection between what I heard and what I saw formed. So it still takes time and effort, even if not the typical one you know from school
THIS. (Linguist here. Lol.) Our brains are primed to learn and adapt to language, but if there's no chance to actually learn that… Yeah no. That's not gonna happen. I for one as a kid was severely neglected, and while I understood what people were saying, I also was mimicking my dog and almost speaking dog because that's all I knew what to do. Which is more of an extreme, but, that's how we're wired. We take from the environment.
And then you have how literacy in reading/writing is a very nuanced thing because it's new. Compared to verbal language, literacy like that did not come about for a long, long time in our evolution. There's a reason why dyslexia and the mathematical equivalent is fairly common, and, why some cultures got by for thousands of years without having to write anything down. Everything was verbal.
My youngest had a significant speech delay. The first few years of school were hard for him because he couldn't say the words properly, so he couldn't write them properly. We were going to speech therapy twice a week, he had a speech therapist in school, a reading interventionest in school, and a privite reading tutor otuside school. He is now in third grade, he has worked so hard and has improved so much. His IEP is so little now that when it's time to reevaluate, he'll most likely come off it, he no longer needs a speech therapist in school, only goes in once a week for ST, and is reading grade level chapter books by himself and is getting A's on spelling tests. None of this has been easy by any means, but I can't imagine where he'd be if all these wonderful people didn't come in to help him succeed.
I was unschooled and I was still taught to read and write at an average age. Dana Martin is a fringe radical unschooler who is not widely accepted in the community.
I work in a High School (Aus, so 7-12), and we've seen a massive increase in unschooled kids being dumped on us once the parents either realise how much they messed up, or the government had to step in and force them to send the kids to school.
These are kids that are essentially crippled because they missed out on many core years of work, and are working at a level far below their grade i.e. I've seen grade 10s reading/writing at a first grade level. It not only severely reduces their chances at having a bright future, but ostracises them from their peers due to being seen as slow.
Unschooling is legitimately awful and I hate how it ruins kids.
"my 6 year old wrote 3 words by himself"
me at 6 learning to read and write in both french and english while also being autistic dyslexic and having eye problems "uhhhhhh... yay?"
wow so smart….you want a medal for that?
@@throwawayaccountm1325 They are literally emphasizing how ridiculous it is that parents are being so fucking lazy.
@@throwawayaccountm1325not smart; just normal at this persons age which is the point.
@@throwawayaccountm1325you want a medal for not getting the point
Same. Dyslexic but wrote short sentences in Russian and Lezgin(my native language) at 7.
At 6 I read a lot in both languages alredy. and learned poems and fables by heart.
Most kids do!!
I was unschooled as a kid, it was a living hell. My mom didn't want me to have an education because it was "worldly" so she pulled me out of public school in 6th grade, and then used that as a way to medically neglect me because no one knowing what was going on at home, and she believed medical care is evil. I had to be revived by paramedics because she was refusing me medication and medical care for so long that I temporarily died. She isolated me from old friends and preventing me from socializing because I wasn't allowed to make new ones, and pretty much abused me in every way possible, and sadly where I lived didn't have any mandatory check-ins for kids like me, which allowed this to take place for so long. I had to run away at 18, and now I'm dealing with the unfortunate aftermath of having an education left off at where it was when I was pulled from public school. I've tried so many times to get my GED, but I'm so behind educationally. I absolutely hate how homeschooling and unschooling is seemingly getting more popular, because I have met so many people who were in similar situations as me which all could've been easily avoided.
I'm going through the same thing my mom is still in my life & she didn't teach me anything! I can't drive, get a job because I don't know basic math....I have a speech issues. It's sad, I had to learn everything on my own as an adult including socializing.
I was also medically neglected by my abusive mo? Except she's my payee for my disability so, she gets my money & is constantly causing me panic attacks to the point I hyperventilate. Homeschooling is for moms who shouldn't even have had kids, especially if their not doing shit for their kids.
I'm so sorry you guys had to experience this, the same thing happened to me and it feels like it was all about saving money and wanting me not to be a bother in my mom's life.
Please don’t give up. I wish I could help you guys
Wow we had a very very similar life. I wish you all the best I'm adulthood idk about you but I'm 25 and feel like a raging toddler half the time kow I'm im a safer environment and have a lot of issues feeling normal with basic things
Keep moving forward. You got this. And you WILL get to where you need to be.
unschooling should be taken as child neglect...they need to learn to function in the real world
Oh they do, CUT CARROTS OR CLEAN THEIR MOTHER'S CAR XD
At the very least a social worker should check in every few months to check on the kid's progress because this is just crazy
It is in some countries. In germany for example children are MANDATED to go to school. There is no "No" Your child HAS to go to school. Its "Both a right and a responsibility"
Agree and not to mention child abuse because unschooling can be used to cover abuse from anyone including CPS. Speaking of CPS, where are CPS like why CPS isn't doing anything about it
Unschooling if done right is amazing for some children. For other children it's doing them a disservice and when it's done like this it's neglect. It isn't black and white, unschooling is good or unschooling is bad. It depends on the child and the parents.
“I didn’t learn anything in school” 9/10 they weren’t paying attention in class. I see people I went to high school with say this type of stuff and they were the same ones who were always fighting and disrupting class.
My peers often said the exact same thing. Like, you're failing half of the classes, of course you're not learning anything
Or they just don't think of all the things they actually learned, they take it for granted.
There's so many people who used to say that in my high school and I would just laugh it off awkwardly and not comment. Back in my country a few years back there used to be full grown men that didn't know how to read and had to go to schools after they let the kids out because they didnt have a system that allowed them to go to school😐people take education for granted because they don't see the people who struggled without it.
i dont learn in school despite my best efforts because i have several learning disorders and american high schools dont at all accommodate anybody who doesnt learn how were "supposed to"
@@candlelightmsic That is definitely true. Especially since it's really hard to even qualify for special ed even when you are on the spectrum. My brother had to drop out of school really early because he's on the spectrum and has extreme anxiety but the school did nothing at all. From elementary to middle school I have need extra math help but when I moved to my new small school I didn't get that and I am extremely behind in math. My boyfriend in middle school was with special education because he has PTSD and can't be in a normal classroom with loud people but when he got to high school he was unfortunately forced to be in normal classes and eventually dropped out of school. It's really messed up tbh.
One of the parents says something like, "learning to ride a bike is school, doing the dishes is school, etc." Yes, those are life skills that A PARENT COULD BE TEACHING ANYWAY. Yes, they don't learn to ride a bike at school, but that doesn't mean they can't go to school AND learn to ride a bike from parents at home.
Also, as a teacher myself, I have seen the skill gap between kids as young as elementary school, but even my low-achieving fourth graders were probably all performing better than a lot of these unschooled kids in high school.
And as a daughter of a highly educated couple, my mom instituted "school time" during the year I would have gone to preschool. I was ahead prepared for kindergarten. I was preschool age and reading and writing better than these unschooled kids. Kids love to learn! I was so excited for school time!
And as a parent myself, I can't imagine reading picture books to my daughter and not expecting her to one day be able to read them on her own. Kids will even memorize the words for each page before they can read them. Kids are evolutionarily programmed to learn. You just have to get it started early.
It's called education neglect.
It's the same thing as the parents who don't read with their kids when the book is sent home from the teacher.
Is the same as the parents who don't help their kids with homework.
The parents who don't turn up to parent-teacher meetings.
The amount of people I've seen who basically use homeschooling as a way to not have to put their kids in school and there are websites that will tell you the bare minimum paperwork you need to have to prove your homeschooling. Like course lists and subjects etc that are just pre-printed from online.
Is the same as the parents who don't help their kids with homework.
The parents who don't turn up to parent-teacher meetings. >>> I'm a teacher and once I was teaching 3rd grade and some of the parents complained to the school because I never informed them about a test. The principal came to the class and checked their notebook and there it was, printed and glued to every notebook in the class with the themes and the date of the test. Those parents simply never checked their kids notebooks to see if they had any information. You can't trust an 8th year old to inform you about everything that happens at school. I had 43 students in that class and for parent - teacher meetings I was lucky if I had 15 parents
In medieval times most people didn’t know how to read and write…..If this is really something that comes naturally why didn’t they just figure it out themselves? 🤣
real
Honestly, and I think too it just shows how nowadays we take the privilege to just learn to read and write for granted, it use to be something only the very very rich could do
Same vibes as schools taking away computer labs because "everyone knows how to use computers now it'll come naturally"
To be fair language is something that humans just made up and "figured" it out
Wait I don’t understand what you’re saying. Can you explain? Nothing on your part i just don’t get what you’re trying to say.
Those people be doing anything but parenting😭😭
its almost like these millennials are allergic to parenting, colors, and basic common sense
@@thefurbyqueen817 All Generations are definitely flawed in a lot of way, to be fair
@@chasehedges6775Unschooling has been around since the 1970s.
@@chasehedges6775 true
I’m convinced these people never wanted to be parents but here they are so they are trying to alleviate those duties
a big excuse that i see to unschool is so that their kids "dont identify as animals" ..
but children have always done that , its called being a kid with a big imagination
Right? I was that kid. People would ask me what I wanted to be when I grew up and I told them very seriously that I wanted to be a cat. 💀
I wanted to be a velociraptor because of the movie Jurassic Park lol!
@@AbnormallyOnlineLoll
I wanted to be a Yoshi from Mario as a kid. Seriously, do they not understand what imagenation is 💀
@@pur3chao56 they’re just boring
What baffles me most is how innovative these parents think they are, when people in precarious conditions in my home country have been battling against the lack of access to proper education for DECADES. The only thing that’s new about them not putting their kids in school and having them struggle their way to life is that they CHOSE to.
Same, my great grandmother was illiterate as she didn't go to school in Macau a hundred years ago so she had to sign her name with an X. She could barely hold a pen and was very ignorant, couldn't understand anything that was beyond her neighbourhood and lifestyle.
The next generation was slightly better. They know numbers and can read a little bit of a newspaper. But they're unable to learn new skills or understand anything beyond their experience, even struggling to understand people from non working class areas because they have a very limited vocabulary.
A problem that's not talked about enough regarding homeschooling/unschooling is that the children may also miss very important developmental windows of neuroplasticity that will never happen again in their life. It's an irreparable cognitive loss. Especially in early childhood, being exposed to the correct stimuli plays a very important role in determining your life-long intellectual performance. The effects of the lack of adequate stimuli during childhood are so severe that it influences our IQ more than genetics. Scary stuff, I feel sorry for them 😢
This honestly has to be a form of child abuse. It's setting their kids up for failure in this day and age.
It's disgusting how they can cover this up with "homeschooling" I was in high school and I still had to submit all my things to the district and to get my diploma
So many struggle with financial insecurity and mental health because they can’t afford a degree. Imagine not being able to get past elementary school.
It is child abuse.
My mom regularly reveals that she has a skill after I've started learning about it as a teen or adult. Why did she never offer to teach child me knitting or watercolour? Because i never asked. KIDS DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW WHAT TO ASK! Let alone about critical life skills. I'm in my 30s and just learned my mom knows book binding... But learning non-hobby things was not optional when i was a kid
My now adult kids ask me the same about some hobbies, which they weren't interested in when they saw me doing them or which I used to do and then stopped after they were born. I just apologize to them and give some basic info and if they want my knowledge now I definitely give it. Things like cross stitching and juggling just didn't make the priority list when they were little!
shoot your right my grandmother knew crotchet and i didn't think at 6 to ask. now after She's passed, I went to UA-cam to learn.
@@irisbear9421 lol i just now ask my mom before i start a new craft. She also stopped doing a lot of things when she was raising us. When i was in uni, my roommate tought me to knit. I showed my family and my mom commented "i could have taught you, i used to teach fair isle classes and sell my sweaters"... I didn't even know she knitted! But now it's like "if i wanted to make a leathercraft do you have stuff?"(yes, yes she does). But definitely these types of things are nice to have, not neeeeed to have.
@@comradekitty3759 it's so hard to realise the things you miss out on with grandparents.
I homeschool and after finishing our math unit we have taken a week for “ practical application “. We are calculating weights and measurements to spin the wool and weave a scarf. We have been having a blast using in real life everything we have done on paper these last six weeks in math. One of the best parts was discovering that some of are numbers were off and solving that puzzle. We will never finish the scarf by Friday but a seed has been planted and I dare say she will continue her project just for fun even when we hit the books on Monday for a new unit.
I used to have a classmate who was previously "unschooled". He was 11 years old at the time and couldn't count past 10, could not read or write, or do simple math. Unschooling harms children.
I met someone lazy homeschooled, they were perpetually embarrassed by what they didn’t know and resented their parents.
Look, as a disabled person, school was absolute hell to me, but i'd never have the nerve to say it was useless, i love to read, and even if very late, i made friends i love very much, the school system sucks ass, but the knowledge they give, at least on reading and writing and basic maths, is absolutely necessary
These ridiculous parents seem to forget that you need the fundamental basics before you can even DO intuitive learning. As a grown man in my 30s I can learn at will if I wish but you need to be taught HOW to learn FIRST.
Exactly. It’s one thing to take a high school age kid out of school to “unschool” them, but a damn child?? Especially a child that doesn’t even know how to read, write or do math. My fucking god the insanity and neglect of it all😩
@@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl Exactly that. A kid can't learn intuitively if they don't know how to learn or where to begin. How are they going to research things if they can't read?
@@chaoszonenate It blows my damn mind people are allowed to get away with this neglect. Like I said I can understand if it's a teen cause they already have the skills to learn how to study on their own since they know how to read, write and do basic math. That's not an issue. The issue is when you try to apply that logic to damn toddlers who have no actual skills yet and need to be taught how to read and write in order to study. It's ... I can't even form words I'm so damn annoyed and frustrated.
These babies parents are setting them up for absolute failure and there's nothing any of us can do about it.
@@SnowAnayathatweirdgirl You've summed it up perfectly. Parents waking up is all one can really hope for.
I'm in collage. I had normal education before and I still struggle with the structure of learning. I was that gifted kid who didn't have to study in highschool even for the finals. How in the hell are small children supposed to know how to do it? so absurd
Also it's out of the pure selfishness of the parents because they want their kids to stay with them for longer and they want content creation tools
absolutely not, ur just looking at parents who already post their kid on tiktok4 money, I did unschooling because curriculum schooling wasn't teaching me, I fell behind in school & accelerated after unschooling
@@Sorren-ts7ovsounds like bullshit m8
I'm 26 and due to an accident in early childhood i was left with brain damage and dyslexia. It was hard and embarrassing growing up because it took me so long to learn or socialise and i remember how lonely i felt wanting friends and wanting
To have a normal "good" brain. I wanted a job but instead I'm living off benefits and i feel like I'm just rotting away. I wanted to be an animator its abusive and insulting knowing these parents are as dull as a disabled person (not that disabled people can't be smart) but these kids are so incredibly low on their iq if they're willingly sabotaging their kids. I want a normal brain and i want to forfil my dream job but i can't and everyday that kills me knowing that I'm rotting away with that dream of mine. I'd never wish this for anyone its incredibly difficult and lonely.
I'd cry in school because I was frustrated with myself.
@@zvezdoblyat my life story can't just b denied?? Unschooling has a bad rep because the only way 2 learn abt it is from tiktok moms that already film their kids 4 money
@@Sorren-ts7ov You keep telling yourself that
One of thise tik tokers is unschooling because a teacher called her wanting to know why her child had ten unexcused absences. The kid and the family had a nast case of the flu, and then the kid developed pink eye. All she had to was call the school, get a doctor's note,give the note to the school when the kid came back, and keep the kid at home. Instead, she unschooled the kid because she was throwing a tantrum.
Nothing screams parental love more than f-ing up their entire life because someone poked your ego.
@@C.f001 Exactly!
School once scheduled a meeting with my parents because I was going on a family trip on *It’s Not Okay to be Away Day* and they basically said “our child has a near perfect attendance record, please get your priorities in order” - so I went on the trip but obvs wasn’t pulled out of school because of that!
Depending on where she was from, she may not have even needed a doctors note
I’m the woman from around the 13 minute mark who was unschooled, I appreciate your take on unschooling and bringing awareness but that video is quite old about 3 years old I would have worded a lot differently, it’s recently made a resurfacing and gotten into a few commentary videos, I’ve had Dr. Phil reach out to me about it and to be frank I’m a bit uneasy about the attention I’d love to talk to you or other creators to speak more about it. Since I’m not a large creator or anything I just made a video at 4am one night that happened to go a little viral and the attention has honestly brought me a lot of negative attention and has had people in my personal life assume things about my intelligence ect that’s been quite overwhelming I’d just like to ask any more creators wanting to use my video to ask or talk to me about it first before use it’s been quite strange having commentary videos with me in it that I had no knowledge of from people in my personal live. I do love the light being shed on the issue but the person affects for me from this kind of content hasn’t been good for me. Thank you! I stated in my comments of my original video and the other parts to it that I’d appreciate my video not being shared onto other social media platforms because I would prefer my family not to see it the vitality caused a lot of issues in my family dynamics that I am trying to heal and mend and hate hearing people insult my parents for a bad decision they made 20 years ago. I’m not asking for the video to be taken down but would love to speak! :)
it's so sad too that there are millions of kids around the world who would do anything to go to school and get an education but can't. and then these people are squandering the most important years of their kid's development for the sake of their own egos.
I homeschool my kids. I do it because my son is trans and despite what cookers think, schools are not safe spaces for trans kids, especially where I live (country Victoria). My daughter stayed in mainstream but suffered through so much bullying with no action from the school so ended up starting homeschool halfway through year 9.
I make them do mandatory maths, English, and science. For the other subjects (the arts, tech and design, LOTE, history and social sciences, PE and health etc) that's where I let them sort of follow their interests. But still I scaffold their interests in to appropriate learning for their age and stage. For example, my son is super interested in mythological animals, so that easily scaffolded in to learning about ancient Greece and Egypt, and learning about various indigenous groups' mythology around the world. But if I left it up to him he probably just would have only learned about dragons and it would have limited his knowledge.
This sounds amazing. You’re a great mum. My mum took me out of school in Yr 9 because of bullying, too. I did so much better. I have several certifications and a Bachelors degree now. I had a good career before I got sick. I absolutely love mythology and mythological animals/cryptids. I’m also a trans guy. If your son ever needs to talk to someone, or if you need a tutor for English/creative writing, I’d be happy to help. Does that sound weird? Your comment just totally hit me because it was my journey, too. Again, you’re an awesome mum. Your kids are very lucky.
I'm a trans kid too! I'm a guy, and my parents are super unsupportive, not just in that nature but with like... everything else too lol. but I'm glad I'm going to public school. good on you for supporting your son, it makes a big difference.
7:06 omg guess what? My 6 year old sister goes to school and she can do multiplication AND write full neat sentences!
When i was 5 i learned how to type on a computer 😭😭
That's better then me and 6. Lol
How ever did they learn that?? It's almost like they went to an establishment that instilled the value of learning into the child. The name of this type of institution is right on the tip of my tongue... 😂
I learned how to read and write at 4, like just learning how to write “lion” at 6 is INSANE!
@@MikeCincoCapas children don’t need to ‘understand’ the value of learning, that’s what they’re driven to do - they just need proper guidance.
The "entrepreneur" mom is an MLMer. She even called her kids her downline once.
I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow found a way to actually sign them up in her downline...
honestly despite everything it is the lady's comment at 15:55 that pisses me off the most. "My kid will obviously not have any opinions different from mine their whole lives, will not want to do anything I do not approve of as an adult, and so I don't need to teach them anything I don't feel like"
Those people need to have CPS called on them. They're neglecting their children.
My friend was unschooled. She came to school when we were in 5th grade. being the nice person I was, I had to teach her how to read and write. The rest of the class shamed her for not knowing, but fuck they had no clue what unschooling was. :/
The level of incompetence of these parents is terrifying. The kids CANT follow their interests because they dont come out of the womb knowing about history, science, literature, art, math, sports, etc. How are they supposed to know what they want to learn? The parents dont care enough to give them the option. Its neglect and abuse, plain and simple, and these parents should be held responsible by the legal system.
This is wild. I had to be removed from school because of my medical issues. I was being bullied for it too. But, I was homeschooling. I still had to take those huge tests at the end of the year because it was a legal requirement. How these parents aren't going to jail baffles me. It is seen as abuse from the state if you choose to NOT school your children. My mom had to go before the school board and explain my medical issues and why I miss so much. I finally went and got my GED, BUT I wouldn't have been able to if I didn't go to school until 9th grade.
Edit:fixed my fat finger typing
Depends on the state! I was unschooled and in my state I never had to do any tests and no one ever even checked to see if my parents were actually teaching me. More conservative states tend to have less strict rules about it unfortunately
@@Night_Willows I'm from GA, I really wish it was a federal law to force kids to be tested and parents be held accountable. I'm so sorry.
@@JoIsAFOX yeah same, I feel like there should be MUCH stricter laws around homeschool. I also feel like there should be some sort of law ensuring that homeschooled kids are still being socialized, because I never got to learn how to socialize or have friends. I’m not entirely sure how they’d enforce that though
@@Night_Willows I want it not even just for socialization... The thought of a child who never interacts with anyone outside of family automatically makes me worry about abuse other than just social/educational... It's too easy to hide when no one else lays eyes on that kiddo.
@@JasperisCasper oh definitely that too. I was lucky enough to not be abused outside of the neglect that comes with homeschool itself, but not everyone is. It does seem VERY easy for parents to get away with abuse in an environment like this
Hello! I unschool my child, but I have a masters in teaching and I teach my neurodivergent son at least 5-7 hours a day directly. These ladies are insane. I would send him to public school if he wasn’t a bullying risk like you pointed out in your video.
It’s good that you have a teaching background but wouldn’t withholding him from social situations possibly make things worse in the long run ?
I believe what these parents want is montessori school. I went during elementary and it really was amazing though I wouldn’t recommend for middle/high school if you want them to adjust well to society.
These people act like it is forbidden to learn anything on your own when you go to school. Like, its great that your child has an interest in geology or whatever but they can learn about it and go to school at the same time?? Like how is "i didnt learn everything i need for life in school" and argument for not going to school at all?
What's more, schools prompts so many interests, I developed my drawing skills with my amazing teacher, so many of my friends picked up drawing or learning extra languages that were not mandatory or harder maths for contests for fun, and meeting with other students you find new passions easily and have healthy amount of competition (I had fun trying to be better than my friends, I didnt havr fun "competing" with 1000 5 year old prodigies online)
Covid taught me and my young son that I am *NOT* built to be a teacher because we’re both neurodivergent and online schooling was hard 😂😭 I am sooo grateful for every teacher and make sure they get a gift and whatever they need now for class because I can’t do their job.
My sister is in school to be a teacher and she was a blessing during Covid because I struggled in the beginning 😭🫶🏽
SAME 😅 my son struggled so hard (also being in grade 1 during 2020 really sucked). My ADHD could never and clearly, neither could his 🫠
Yet many nurodivergent kids acc do thrive with homeschool lol i have complex truma from mainstream and aditional truma its acc bee proven mainstream causes truma to the nurodivergent brain 🧠
I have adhd and asd and did diplomas in a day with no uk gcses due to being systematicly failed by mainstream i did diplomas myself so this is why they are spectums
I also have dyslexia dyspraxia and epliepsy depression and severe social anxiety all dignosed
@@PixelTheExtraTerrestrial I’m sorry you had a bad experience with your education system. I live in Canada so I can’t really input on *YOUR* experience. My point/opinion still remains the same because me trying to be my son’s teacher during lockdown wasn’t beneficial for either of us. He was 4/5 years old when lockdown started which is a crucial time for their social development. Also, I couldn’t start the diagnosing process until last year along with other things like tics.
His teacher(s) were the ones who noticed his symptoms during school. Without them I’d probably just be one of those parents who says “well EVERY kid has a lot of energy and is fidgety at that age.”
There are pros and cons to the educational systems around the world. But some people aren’t meant to be teachers moulding the minds of children. Especially the parents in these videos.
This video actually made me appreciate my public school experience. Even with all the negative social interactions and bullying, I’m glad I was forced to learn something.
Oh one hundred percent same.
It also made me appreciate how much my parents went out of their way to help me learn (ex, my mam would read me betime stories while letting me see the text so I learnt how words correspond with speech and it definitely being the reason I "taught myself" how to read.) and later with homework (staying up later to break down math so I could actually understand, from teaching me how multiplication works as an eight year old to my high school where my pa would make me walk through my logic to make me see where I did wrong.).
Dgmw, I still struggled in school (autism, bullying, weird teacher situations (I dont think I had a single teacher around for more than one year until grade five through six.), schools shutting down leading to transferals, TWICE, getting kicked out of sixth grade due to being too stupid, being asocial...) but I doubt homeschooling would've saved me. All I needed were decent teachers, which I eventually got. Im also extremely glad to live in a socialist (ish. Its in a downward spiral. Fucking liberals.) country where schooling is mandatory and thus "unschooling" is illegal.
If the kids don’t know anything they’ll blindly believe what they’re told. It’s control. It’s neglect. It’s abuse. It’s a way to make sure your child will always need you. It also makes them so susceptible to other abusers because they won’t have the tools to understand they’re being harmed.
Listening to this I keep thinking about early America and before it was common to have a school in every town. The only children that knew how to read and write were the ones whose parents knew how to read and write and taught them. It's crazy to think that the child is just magically going to learn how to read and write.
I can understand the concept of homeschooling but not unschooling. this just feels so weird to me, the concept of not teaching the young what they need to know in order to succeed
I agree. My son is only 8 weeks old and I’m already out here trying to research curriculums because we’re considering homeschooling and I want him to actually learn! Unschooling is insane!
This is literally going back to the time when people had kids only as free labor for their farms, they would not send them to school and only teach them the trade since they were young. But even then they would be taught something that would help them in the long run, here what are they teaching them? How to mlm?
@@disneyprincessintraining2725 Hey! This may not solve the problem but just so you know. There are a lot of virtual schools that DO follow a plan and a curriculum, but they are pre-recorded classes from qualified teachers. You still have all the numbers of the teachers and weekly mandatory classes (only 1 and in zoom where you can talk with your classmates and homeroom- to say- teacher) you also have other classes you can enter if you want, like french, programming and all that. The kid is the one to decide when to do the classes and they still have exams and homework. I, myself, am in a school like this, and maybe something like this will work for you too! As your son is 8 years only, I would severely recommend you being on his side on all classes and attending A LOT of extracurriculars with other kids his age, and I can tell you that it will go just fine! He will learn to organize his own time (you will need to guide him on this, tho) and he will have a lot of free time to pursue what he wants to learn without missing any basic or needed for daily life subject. Also, and most important thing I forgot to mention, they are legal (at least where I live, Colombia) and your soon will receive a certificate and even have a graduation ceremony (I'm talking by experience. If you are indeed interested in this, I recommend searching it thoroughly)
Agree. Even the basics of unschooling seemingly being a branch of self directed learning, I can understand for a teenager who has the brain development and life experience to know what they'll need for adulthood. Not for a 3-7 year old child whose learning is directed by what's boring or not boring in the moment
@@ahstiasummers5583 Yes, I can see it as practice or an additional way of learning, but not the main one.
Take your child shopping, show them plants, repair appliances with them, take them to your workplace and delegate simple tasks if possible, let them go to the library in their free time and only learn what they want; parents are supposed to do this anyway. But how can a child learn without any structure, without a curriculum with topics picked for our needs, without teachers who know how to explain properly? I agree that the public school system is far from perfect, and every child has personal preferences for learning things, but they are going to be so lost if left to learn by themselves.
How is this NOT viewed as deliberately disabling your child? Because it's not physical? This is pure neglect, full stop.
Unschooled kid turned adult here. I flunked out of college thrice and barely graduated high school in the US because I grew up with no structure and was only learning what my parents viewed as correct. It was not what was best for me at all.
A softer version of this works best for neurodivergent children as masking is exhausting for children and adults alike but English has to be taught so it's best to make it super interesting and easy to understand
Australian librarian in my 20s here who works at a rural public library. I facilitate multiple kids clubs like an art club and a gamers group, I have MULTIPLE families with kids reaching highschool age that cannot even spell their names due to their “unschooling lifestyle”. It’s genuinely so distressing, the kids are so frustrated they can’t communicate but the parents do not care. They bring kids to coding club meetings once a month for their “science work” and that’s it!!! That’s all they get!!! We are not teachers we’re just librarians but somehow we are doing more for their own kids - meanwhile they’ll brag about how smart their12 year old is for writing “I love you mum” in the worst handwriting I’ve ever seen. It’s frightening. Learning is fun and although books and math can be a drag you gotta learn and make it fun bc it can be!!! Anyway a litttle tangent because this video made me feel so seen in my concerns for these kids
I'm someone who was homeschooled/unschooled, I'm 19 (turning 20 in a few months) and I can say with absolute certainty that it has fucked me over so much. I was pulled out of public school when I was in 4th grade because my mom was against "common core", she didn't want me taking the state tests, she didn't want me learning the way the school was teaching or learning what they were teaching. Originally she had asked me if I wanted to be pulled from school, she said that if I chose to stay in public school that she would be coming and sitting in on all of my tests, and all I could think about was that I was already getting bullied and that 100% would have made it worse, so I agreed. I only learned LAST MONTH that she wouldn't have been able to do that. I believed this lie even into adulthood.
Shortly after pulling me out of school she learned about unschooling, she noticed that I didn't want to do math, english, science, history so she decided to do "interest lead learning". My "schooling" was doing art, going to parks, reading fiction books (my mom read to me while I drew), playing minecraft. I'm great at art now, it's my career, but that's all I know how to do. If I didn't want art to be my career I would be screwed because I don't have any other skills. It doesn't help that I'm already audhd and dyslexic so I'm even further behind than everyone else. My mom always said that if I wanted to go back to public school, she would let me. But when I asked in middle school she said no, then when I asked again towards the end of middle school she said no, start of high school she said no, junior year she said no.
By the time I was in high school my mom had already hopped from the unschooling trend and tried to go back to normal schooling, but by that point I was so far behind that there was no hope of me catching up, I'm out of high school now and my 11 year old cousin is further along in her math than I am, a fact that my mom uses against me constantly to blame ME for why I'm so behind, blaming ME for not being interested in math. I should be going to college right now, but I tried to do that since I'm an adult and should be able to, but I'm still not allowed to go to school. Every time I've ever brought up going to public school it's always "well since you didn't want to focus on your studies you're too far behind, it would be like throwing you to the wolves" as if it's MY FAULT. I think there can be benefits to homeschooling but it is VERY rare that it works. The average parent cannot properly provide an education to their kids, there's a reason teachers have to go to school for this shit. Unless you went to school to teach, or are planning on signing your kid up for online classes, don't homeschool them, and absolutely do NOT unschool them.
I'm lucky that I can read (somewhat because again, doesn't help that I'm dyslexic), can do basic math, and know at least a little from the first 4 years I had in public school, but I can't get a job because I don't have a GED or a diploma, I can't go to college because I'm at a 5th grade level in everything, and I can barely talk to anyone because lets not forget the years of socialization you miss out on with homeschool. Taking your kid to a homeschool meetup once a week will not cut it, I feel left out because I never had the normal childhood experience. Any time the topic of prom comes up all I can think of is that I was robbed of everything, people try to make me feel better by saying that their prom sucked or that they chose not to go to prom since it's overhyped and I get it, I really do. But you don't understand how privelaged you sound saying that. I didn't have a choice in anything growing up, y'all did.
Also to add on, my mom also didn't even homeschool me legally, at some point she stopped registering me to homeschool with an affidavit (something that is legally required in both states I grew up in).
I’m so sorry that your mom treated you like this. But I wouldn’t say you’re at a fifth grade level for everything, you definitely write better than even most adults. You are still young and have your whole life ahead of you, you can still get your GED and I’m sure you’re perfectly capable of passing.
Man I'm teary after reading that , I'm so sorry you have to go through this but sounds like you found your happy place with art.❤
I’ve already made a comment like this on a video. I was unschooled exactly how the first mom explained it. I couldn’t read or write till I was around 11 anytime I talk to my mom about it, it turns into a screaming fight and because of this I don’t have a good relationship with my mom.
I’m now in school and it is the best thing that has ever happened to me.
I still am behind in school and it hurts. I’m constantly falling behind but I’m finally learning.
@@Alex_heheheYou’ll get there as long as you work hard and have a positive outlook. I’m glad you’re in school and I’m sorry about your mom.
Don’t be afraid to ask for help at school.
@@Alex_heheheI'm sorry about your difficult relatioship with your mother. Forgive my english, it's not my language (I decided to improve it in my 40's so this is something that makes me feel "behind", but being behind only means that you have room to improve :D ). Don't let your late start define your path. I'm sure you will do great and, as someone who helps students fix their math/physics/chemistry problems for a living, I can assure you that nothing is more precious in a teacher's eye than a student willing to improve his education. Ask for help when you need it, don't be afraid. I wish you the best. Hugs from Italy ❤
The fact that my 2 year old seems to know more than some of these 6+ year old kids makes me insanely sad. She gets an hour of ‘schoolwork’ a day doing letters, numbers, reading, and other things that will benefit her before she even starts school, not just for school but giving her a strong foundation for life. It’s neglectful parenting not to even have your kids in school if you aren’t going to teach anything yourself :(
This may be weird but I have a question. Do you have any tips on how to get your child to sit while you teach them? Mine wants to get up.
@@nicolecrismon2038 not a parent but I've helped raise my younger sibling and was involved a lot in her learning! What worked best for me was trying to do a little "dance" or sing a "sit down" song, and if possible, sit down with the kid so they can copy you. Also follow up with a little reward like a high five or "great job!" For some positive reinforcement! :) best of luck to you🫶
@@nicolecrismon2038maybe a sticker system. Like a chart of 5 squares with some stickers and if they are good and sit then they get a sticker. When they get 5 stickers they get a prize/treat. It got my ass to sit. I wanted to be a good noodle like SpongeBob lmao
@brocode780 that's honestly a good idea I will try that I can even get golden stars just like SpongeBob haha
@@nicolecrismon2038It helps to give choices to mine, framed like a game. “Do you want to play an alphabet game in the living room or go outside and write numbers with chalk?” My daughter likes all the activities. She’s two, so if she doesn’t like something, I just switch it up.
I wouldn't be surprised if this "unschooling" movement results in starting an alternative school that is specifically made to help children in these situations. Because heaven knows these kids are gonna need it.
Everything they “teach” during unschooling is just basic parenting that I do when my kids are at home.
weekends and school holidays are for my kids to do and learn about their favorite interests thats when we go to museums and zoos to see dinosaurs and animals.
“They don’t see it” THEY DONT SEE A DOCTOR???? honestly if these unschool parents are antivax it wouldn’t surprise me
They are . I was an unschooled kid in the 90s, it was absolutely cuz my parents didn’t wanna vaccinate me or take me to the dr
@@baby.nay. it doesn’t fill me with joy to be right about that. I hope you’re doing ok and don’t feel too behind x
yeah they are lol most of them seem to be weird hippies or religious fundamentalist conspiracy theorists lol no in between
if you want more kids to go to school, remember NOT to support mandatory vaxes for schoolkids. Otherwise you will lose all the antivaxer families from the public education system.
when i was six i wrote a pretty organized “nonfiction” book about cats!!! i loved cats so much and my mom took advantage of that, she gave a few books and told me to write my own. here are a few sentences from it (with the wrong grammar and spelling included)
-cats are felins
-they came from biger cats, like lions, tigers, and more!
-now they are dometicatted and can live with us
so that was my writing level at 6 ig
*edit* dometicatted was not on purpose, i just realized it when reading through ppls replies and it is so cute (i will 100% be telling ppl it was on purpose tho)
I love that you wrote dometicatted because that word just sounds so cute and well, "catty" haha
that’s so cute
my 6 year old sister can not read or write.
@@emma-df3yfteach her?
Its not her job to teach her sister, it's the parents responsibility to make sure their child is getting the education it needs @smajliiicka
12:17 I just had a girl in my community kill herself due to bullying. No assembly, just a couple announcements and no punishment for the students bullying the girl. America is so awful with these things. RIP Naveah 💕
may naveah rest in peace 🕊
Rest in peace.
May she have peace…
Rest in peace, Naveah ❤️🩹 I’m sorry
at least there was an announcement at all. the school i went to didn't give a shit.
RIP Naveah
Now imagine being 13, asking your parents "why didn't you teach me how to read?" and their answer is "well, you didn't want to 🤷🏻♀️"
Love your video. I'm an American public school teacher and I completely agree with your critique of the blatant deprioritization of mental health care. Many teachers do everything in their power to reach out to any student who may need someone, but there are also many that employ a more "boot straps" apporach. Then there's low funding that forces schools to share one Psychologist between 2-3 schools, giving them unbelievable caseloads. Not to mention the endless red tape caused by parent/teacher outcry anytime schools modernize their strategies. It's a complex problem (which I don't believe should be this hard) that would take a lot ot funding and buy-in to begin to remedy.
As a future secondary ed teacher, this absolutely just feels like ab*se. You are holding these children back from being ABLE to PERCEIVE and INTERPRET the world.
I was basically addicted to PC Minecraft around ages 8-12, if my parents didn't create a system for us to not be there all day, we WOULD be there all day. You need a guardian to GUIDE you bro, they're supposed to know what's best for you, not fail you like this.
My son loooves Minecraft he’s 9 and yes I tell him ok it’s time for a break put the iPad away parents have to parent not let kids do whatever they feel like
Another disadvantage abt “unschooling” is how these kids won’t gain the social skills they need in the future
I went to public school and didn't gain those social skills either. But I'm also autistic and the other kids could tell there was something "off" about me and thus mostly avoided me.
Sooo I taught myself to read and talk by 1 but my brother had "Aspergers" (was just a lesser known form of dyslexia but was to over medicated (NP) to know any better) so everything in the house was labeled or had pitcures. I also loved reading which 90% of the kids around my age hated it, so to expect or assume your child will be the same is ridiculous.
The second woman used to be in the downline of a very famous MLM boss babe who believed she could cure her own cancer with the products she shilled and the woman in question passed from it. Before her passing the woman featured was talking about how great the products are and how they can cure cancer. I don’t think id trust her to teach any children.
Mom #2 in this video who claims she’s an entrepreneur is actually in an mlm called pruvit and refers to her children as her “downline” and her plan is to groom her children into joining her downline as soon as they’re 18 and limit their education so they have no choice but to join her mlm. She is limiting their education and as a result limited their options for their future. She is a terrible mother.
jesus??
If she's like 99% of MLM participants, she's losing money, too.
Isn’t she also the mom who gives her children weird names and seeks the attention of negative comments because of her content that’s „obviously satire“
Not sending your kids to skl is wild thats just neglect at this point
Not even homeschooling is neglect. My mom never went to school but she was homeschooled and graduated early
@@fuzzymelon1261 homeschooling is fine, I just mean like no school at all
Yeah giving them no type of education is definitely neglect @@Ayol-zv8ko
Urgh! This winds me up. My oldest (10) has only been able to go to school full time this month: no other school would accept him full time until his current specialist placement. I had to stop working to accommodate his partial timetable and to homeschool when not in school to make sure he didn’t fall behind academically (and it’s paid off!) Education is so important and this mental gymnastics to justify not bothering is infuriating! 😬
Wow yeah I was thinking about people who go through hoops just trying to get their children into a productive school environment that will accommodate their needs! These TikTok moms are so entitled to bash the school system.🤦🏽♀️
as someone who has been unschooled all their life, i'm so glad this is finally being discussed :-/ .. my parents never bothered to teach me anything, the only skill they've really fostered is reading. i have TOO much free time to the point where i can't get myself to study anything i'm not already interested in, because i could be doing something else that i actually like. the only socialization i got (until a little over a year ago) with people in real life was with my siblings. it's so unfair, i wish i just had a normal education
my husband was unschooled (they called it homeschooling, but they let the kids choose when to school). He's 40 and just now getting a GED. This poor man, just told me his dream as a kid was to be a herpetologist. But he gave up (his words not mine) his dream because he knew by 17 that there was no way he could get into collage. And these parents think they are helping their kids, but really they are turely doing barely anything and setting them up for failure.
my aunt does this. one kid is 17 with the reading level of a 12 year old. the other is 11 and doesn't even know his alphabet
Can you call cps on her? That 11 year old will likely never learn to properly read at this point.😢
How? HOW?!?! Like, the playtime table we had for my goddaughter when she was 1 had the alphabet in it. Because she was on my tablet all the time, I had TONS of educational games. She had two pages of games for kids. ABCMouse had us covered for YEARS, with her and her younger sister. She’s almost 13 now. I don’t know how it’s anything but active neglect to go out of your way to intentionally not teach your children what they need to know to be a functioning person in our society.
@@dutchik5107 unfortunately that wouldn't do anything. the mother works in the legal system and I live in a VERY small town. They would immediately throw it out. theres been parents actively agree to m0l3sting their kids here and they've been ignored. In actuality, I think bringing cps into it would just worsen it
@@TheRonnieaj yeah, its definitely a horrible situation.
It began about 10 years ago- the oldest was about 7 and the youngest was still unborn. For the sake of storytelling, we'll call the oldest John and the youngest Dan. John started struggling with making friends and focusing on his social life far more than he did his grades. At that time, he was doing fairly well in school. He was able to read at his level and his grades were passing fine. When he couldn't make any friends, he got upset and turned to his mother. He'd go tell her every single day they were "bullying" him. These kids never bullied him in any way, shape, or form. He just thought that would be a good excuse to stay home, and unfortunately, it worked. He was homeschooled for years after that. The homeschool program he was inrolled into I actually had to take during covid, so when I describe that, know I'm speaking from personal experience. They provide no actual work. The parents go into it and pick the classes, and it is on the parents to both provide the school work and grade it. The only thing the parents actually HAVE to do for these kids to graduate is pick all the required classes and turn in passing grades. They don't have to show work or anything like that. As im sure you can guess, she didn't provide any work. She would just go in and give him straight A's every 6 weeks. she did try sending John back to school. However, he didn't want to go. After about 10 years of absoluetly zero social interaction, he lacks any social skills, and with no real education since he was in 2nd grade, he's severely behind. They were going to put him in special education and force him to join a work program to get an actual diploma- which is a great thing truly. The thought of him being in special ed embarrased the mother, so she took him out of school again. Plus, being as conditioned as he is, he knew he didn't have to go. He would either accuse people of bulling him or start fights with his parents to not go.
Flash-forward to the other kid, Dan. Dan has always been quote "her baby boy." This kid has never had an ounce of discipline in his life. This kid has broke about 7 televisions- with knives, guns, toys, you name it. He's also pulled loaded guns on people before, myself included. (Thankfully, the guns are now completely locked out of his access) The most punishment he's ever received is a short, calm scolding for things to that extreme. Before he was even put into school, he was given a cell phone with unrestricted access to the internet, and I'm sure you can imagine how that's worked out for him. He wasn't sent to school until he was in second grade. He didn't know how to read or anything, but they kept him in regular classes. Well, he decided he didn't like not being able to loudly blast people on youtube swearing at each other in the middle off class whenever he wanted, so he went home and complained until she took him out of school. People started judging the mother, and 3 years later, she sent him back to school. He was so far behind that he couldn't read a word. He knew like 2 letters of the alphabet, and he didn't know how they looked or where they went, just that these letters were somewhere within the alphabet. All that taken into account, they held him back a grade and said he would be required to take special ed. Well, again, that embarrased her. So she took his out again.
Where we stand right now, both kids are "unschooled" and neither of them seem to be going back. The oldest is a senior with the mental capacity of a preteen and the other is turning 12 next month with absolutely no ability to read, write, do any basic math, etc. He hardly knows how to count to 20
@@theseventhcirce I can understand it's hard, but try to do at least something! This is so wrong and and you have witnessed it. I think It's your responsibility to do something about it because you are in it and can make a difference.
I went to public school until 7th grade then left to do homeschooling after being bullied relentlessly. During homeschooling...I ended up unschooling myself. My school work was online and I figured out my mom's password to her page so I could copy from the answer keys. (My mom had NO CLUE I did this until years later when I told her. I would purposely answer a couple wrong so she wasn't suspicious of the constant 100% grades.) I DEEPLY regret doing this. When I went to college I realized how far behind I truly was. I couldn't write an essay, didn't know what MLA formatting was or double spacing, and my math was at a high-school level so I had to take Intro to Algebra before even starting anything college level. I did this to myself and had to accept that but I can't believe that parents are doing this to their kids on purpose!
I only have a 10th grade education because i was sent to a alternative school for 11 grade and they didnt tech us nothing it was online and the vice principal gave me the teachers passwords and i did 11 and 12 grade copy and paste. When i went to college i didnt know how to do that stuff but i didnt give up cause all you have to do is ask alot of people helped me in school so dont give up i graduated with a 10th grade education for college
How you getting on now?
@@cr1s69 I'm still working on catching up with people my age. It's embarrassing sometimes but I'm luckier than these kids who are being raised from the start like this.
@@SemiAdorable You have done extremely well so far. Don't be embarrassed, consider yourself an inspiration, your experiences count treble when multiplied with good education x
I’m going through this rn 😔 Abt to go to Highschool but l was home schooled through the 6th - 7th grade and I think I’ve fallen behind bc of this , have you managed to catch up on it also gl btw!!
this sounds like Montessori schooling without the structure
even at a Montessori the kids are still taught basic things, just instead of being told answers teachers instead guide students to the correct answer
like "what's 1+2?" instead of saying "3" the teacher might instead pull out a bunch of balls and ask the student to pick 1 ball, then 2 balls and put them together, then ask them to count how many balls they have
This reminds me of this post I've read on reddit (r/Argentina)
A girl posted that her mother hired 2 bricklayers to take care of some minor repairs on the house (ages around 35 - 45) and they discovered that OP's mother was a teacher, they asked her if she could teach them how to read because they've never been taught to do so. The teacher was of course excited to do so and they were so happy... The first thing one of the men was able to write was "I want to learn how to read because it helps me escape from the darkness", this is a common thing, they are from a poor family who never had the chance to send them to school so they had to learn a profession to help the family from a young age being deprived of a normal childhood.
But to know that people in a first world county are doing this INTENTIONALLY to their children... This is negligence, they have no idea how much they are hurting those kids.
Thank you SO MUCH for doing this video. I’m going to apologize in advance for this essay but as someone who was “unschooled” until 8th grade before choosing to enter a normal public high school, I have personal experiences that I thought people might find relevant.
To start: Most homeschoolers I grew up with want it banned in the US like in other countries, including myself. I am 31, and I have watched my homeschool generation complete K-12, go to college (or not), and enter the workforce. Many of us were highly intelligent kids who collapsed upon entry to the "real world" because our parents thought they were qualified to pull us out of school at a young age and teach us every subject with no teaching degree (often no college degree at all, in my mother’s case). This generation of homeschoolers will be worse, as their learning is even more unstructured than ours was and homeschooling is entirely unregulated in many states. This is my opinion as a homeschool “success story” who thrived academically after entering public school and got a full ride to college. The reality is that most homeschoolers I know who found success survived in spite of being homeschooled, not because of it. They could have achieved the same things in a conventional academic setting (probably even more) without having to reprogram themselves to live in the "real world".
Back to unschooling- when I was a kid "unschooling" was a style of homeschooling that allowed the child to have more control over their curriculum. I could ask to do a science unit on a subject that interested me or pick the novel I would read for English. As a kid who loved learning, this worked for me, and I was lucky that it worked well enough to prepare me to succeed in a normal high school (I was socially crippled but academically OK). However, it's rare to find kids who genuinely love school, and this is why unschooling rarely works as intended. These social media "unschoolers" aren't even unschooling, they're just doing nothing. I already know what happens to homeschoolers with lazy parents, and it's tough to watch new homeschoolers being "educated" in line with social media trends. We are going to have another generation of homeschool survivors, except with increased illiteracy. It's not going to be good.
Lastly and perhaps most importantly: We need to start having real conversations about homeschooling and emotional abuse. As adults, many of my "homeschool friends" have cut off contact with their families or at least one parent, including myself. Narcissistic parents thrive as homeschool parents, as it gives them full emotional control over every part of their child's life. Having been in the thick of it, I watched many if not most kids become hyperdependent on their parents well into their teen years. Their “homeschool moms” seemed to revel in this. Homeschooling is fraught with codependency and abusive emotional patterns and no one talks about it, and I have watched it destroy the lives of young people who had huge potential.
Sorry again for the full-length essay but thanks if anyone read this far.
Thank you for being the only person to mention it; that homeschooling and unschooling are most about *parental control.* Because the second a kid starts interacting with peers and people on the "outside," they might learn that how they're being treated is wrong.
@@Rowan.Evander exactly. as an example, bashing public school kids is a very common hobby for homeschool parents. they purposely raise their kids to think they're better than 98 percent of their peers, stifling any urges to associate with anyone not in the homeschool in-group. you can see this in the comment section of any video criticizing homeschooling. when the same kids go into the real world and can't hack it, they have to question their entire upbringing and identity. when I entered public high school after being homeschooled I experienced this to an extent, but it's often overwhelming for people who are homeschooled until college. I had a brilliant friend who self-isolated to prevent a mental breakdown for their entire freshman year because they couldn't handle the social aspects of studying at a university. they had been told they were absolutely brilliant, flawless, etc., and would be socially popular and a leader because they'd always taken that role within their group of homeschool friends. they were raised in an alternate reality and dumped into a harsh world. it's blatant manipulation and emotional abuse that exists to boost the egos of parents, and in the end, the kids have to pick up the pieces of their own lives and rebuild themselves to survive adulthood.
I was born before the internet became a regular thing (1974) and I can only say: make sure your kids learn to read and write, learn to understand information. Life can change really quickly and they can only adapt to new information if they can get that information on their own. Never has it been more important to be able to read and interpret new information than it is today.
I agree but don't think these parents have any idea of critical thinking whatsoever 😢
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Computer skills are super important anything with technology is a good thing imo
Unschooling is insane. In most countries it's not even legal, it is a basic human right for basic education. In my country you can homeschool your child, but the child still needs to go to school for tests and exams. If a kid is not doing well, they go back to school.
I have an uncle around 54 who still cannot read (he can barely write) because his mother chose unschooling. any letters OR ANYTHING IMPORTANT, I have to read to him. he is constantly ashamed and embarrassed when he has to ask somebody. To this day, he still wishes his mother would've sent him to school normally so he could've had more opportunities as an adult.
My parents pulled me out of school in 4th grade (for good reason, I may add. I was being bullied constantly, cried every day, got in trouble the one time I defended myself. Parents were fed up with the school blaming me) and my mom took to homeschooling me
Issue was, I uh. Hated it? I hated the work and because my mom didn’t know I’m neurodivergent at that time, she had no idea how to properly teach me and so I massively fell behind. I ended up getting lonely and wanted to learn how to play the violin, so my mom set me up with like, one class a day in middle school so I could test the waters again after getting out of my horrible elementary school. Ended up switching to three classes a day by 8th grade, and then it really hit me that I hadn’t been *learning* anything important like math and stuff for the past four years. I ended up going to public high school full time after that, and I. Certainly was not caught up in my math classes, but I managed to pull through.
My experience with homeschool is definitely nowhere near as bad at the whole unschooling thing, but I definitely felt bad for how far I fell behind. I don’t actually blame my parents either, my mom really did try to keep structure and curriculum in my life. It just wasn’t the right one for me.
Being a parent and teaching your kids yourself is definitely gonna be a challenge. The “let the kids do whatever” route DEFINITELY isn’t gonna work tho, that’s how I ended up not knowing how to do long division and cried during math when a substitute was like “let’s do middle school level math” lol
I’m glad I was able to catch up in the end, but that was a rough patch of my life. Glad I’ve graduated high school and don’t have to really worry about that anymore
"unschooling" is just a word people use so they dont get their kids taken away for child neglect. "nono, im not completely ignoring the wellbeing of my child. im ✨️unschooling✨️ them. they just have no interest in being functioning human beings, so i havent taught them how."
The thing I don't understand about this is that one the one hand it seems like lazy parenting, but on the other hand, wouldn't it be kind of easier to bring your kid to school and let the school teach them, rather than having them with you 24/7?
Here in my country, by law, you have to go to school or be homeschooled but you have to take anual tests to see if you are getting the knowledge you are supposed to have for the grade. If your kid is not going to school (at least until 8th grade) you can go to jail for neglect
I wasn’t enrolled in middle school but thankfully fought my way to get into hs; even that fucked me up. My mother was neglectful and not just educationally; cps didn’t get involved bc there was no serious abüse and so I had to stay. Thankfully 14 yr old me had the foresight to know I needed college to get out and the stubborness to fight to catch up when i finally did get back into school
@@CassTeaEllewhen I was stuck at home for 3 years during middle school, I was either glued to my phone watching UA-cam or sleeping. It was extremely depressing; I fought to get in hs and an in college now and sometimes listen to songs from back then to remember how far I’ve come and how hard I fought.
This HAS to be a form an abuse. Where’s CPS!? Just bc you’re not yelling at them over little mistakes, taking away meals, or straight up beating your kids black & blue doesn’t mean this isn’t abuse. Intentionally withholding basic life skills is still a form of harm😭
Unfortunately, these families are rarely reported/go under the radar, and CPS is stretched as it is & has so many bad systems within it
I took 2 different childhood development classes, and one of the FIRST things they told us was that children NEED structure. I understand maybe some parents don’t like their school’s curriculum. But children still need a structured education made by professionals.
Seriously, I was an unschooled kid and I craved structure so much that I would create my own work sheets for my brother and cousins and I to all do . I was so jealous of my neighbors in school , I even wanted to wear a uniform
@@baby.nay. I’m very sorry that was your experience. It should never be a child’s responsibility to make their own education. I have sever social anxiety and other issues from being sheltered, I can’t imagine not being able to leave for school on top of that!!
I've done homeschooling/online school this year, as a 16 year old with undiagnoised adhd (my moms conservative) and its literally impossible for me to study or do anything, I know I cant really relate to the struggles of kids who go through "unschooling" But I can't even sit down and do school work without closing my laptop after only doing an hour of work, I can't imagine what unschooling is like for these kids especially if they have any mental disabilities. Unschooling is child abuse.
I’m in pretty much the same situation. I’m also 16 and I know for a fact that I have autism and ADHD and it’s so difficult for me to focus AT ALL, and it doesn’t help that my mom doesn’t even look at the work I do most of the time. I was not allowed to go to school because they’re going to “indoctrinate” me and “make me believe in evolution” and now every time I’m in a class I immediately quit because I can’t mentally handle it. As if I don’t feel ostracized enough as an autistic queer person, I don’t even go to school. If homeschooling is this bad I don’t even want to think about if I was unschooled. Jesus fucking Christ.
@@Izzybeetle your so real!! I also have a habit of 'quitting' which is why im so behind on subjects! Goodlcuk to you, I'm sure it'll get better :(
@@TheRealTormentor thank you so much, I hope you have a good day 💕
I was honestly so close to being home schooled when i went to middle school and im greatful i wasnt because i know i wouldnt have learn and found out my true self without my friends and school.
this is not really the main point of the video, but i just wanted to thank you for bringing up bullying in a way you did here. i was severely abused by my peers, and now i have bpd among other chronic illnesses and disabilities. we need people like you to talk about it as the form of abuse it is and not sugarcoat it.
My mom’s friend has a niece and her mom “homeschooled” her because she thought public school would corrupt her. She’s a few months younger than me (I’m about to be 19) and I could instantly tell that she had no social skills. She wasn’t being rude, she just didn’t know how to interact with people her age. We saw each other again and we bonded over shows and UA-camrs we watch and she opened up and looked a lot happier than she did the first time I met her. Since she wasn’t properly educated she’s now getting her GED. She’s struggling in math and had to go down all the way to a 4th grade level…honestly I would’ve been so discouraged especially if I was friends with someone like me who’s in college. I feel bad being around her because I don’t want her to feel behind/discouraged/ or even upset with me. She is a very sweet girl though so I’m going to continue to be her friend and help her if she needs it.
I currently have a best friend who's been unschooled since 6th grade--all because her parents didn't "trust" the school system, and now as an adult, it not only affected her mentality, but she doesn't know how to spell, read, nor communicate when we're talking on the phone (which is the only way we can talk to each other because her lazy ass parents force her to stay home to parent her newborn siblings cuz she's and "adult so she is responsible for her sisters") NO SHE IS NOT SHE IS NOT THE PARENT INSTEAD OF MAKING HER SIT AT HOME ALL DAY, PLAYING VIDEO GAMES, PARENT HER BABY SISTERS, U NEED TO GET HER SOME BOOKS. And not ONLY they dropped her out and forced her to take responsibilities they're supposed to have, but they're using charity from a church for free money because they don't even have jobs! I understand their ignorance is the cause why she feels so lonely and awkward and uncomfortable nowadays, but she seriously pretends we haven't been friends for over a decade by acting as if I'm not doing enough for her by saying she feels left out yet makes excuses last-minute when we actually have plans and rants to me out of the blue for hours about how insecure she feels than turns around and talks about these strangers she meets online she's befriending that she "is more comfortable with". And when it comes to fun events, she compares herself to me. This is a situation she needs to get herself out of if she's refusing for me to. As a legal adult, she can walk her happy ass out of the house if she feels the way she does instead of milking the situation and lying to me about a lot of things. I even told her, "It's not your fault; it's your parent's from taking so many opportunities away from you. Such as experiences, social gatherings, education, senior events, and us graduating together." And literally it's been so bad lately to the point our conversations r extremely dry because we've NOTHING to talk about unless it's about herself because she doesn't know how to stay connected to what I tell her--whether topics are basic, or seriously bad, or good. She's been very negative about everything
Like I said, since she's refusing to accept my support and help, she needs to get herself out of this and seek professional help because I'm not a therapist 😢💔
That's tragic...
The parents are selfish and neglectful and immature, this daughter is so messed up because of it. She needs to get out of there cause she can't see clearly.
Maybe you can help her in some way - find some church missionary program or camp or something, where she can get away for a while? Maybe being around the good part of religion and away from her shitty life at home. And maybe there's resources in the church to help with therapy? I only mention church stuff because it seems like the framework she's been raised in.
@@maedesmond2461 Tbh idk how any of that stuff works so idk how to help her like that, but I repeat what I said: her fam is using charity from a church to gain money cuz like u said, they're abandoning her by not getting a job and work for money instead of the easy way out by taking/stealing it from a charity they don't need that's for families that r struggling financially. I agree, she's grown so she needs to get out. But everytime we do manage to go out, her parents r with us. We even compromise that it's "just us" yet her whole family invites themselves. So, idk, she can sneak out and leave a note or something and come over to my house. What's her excuse why she can't come over? "I'm not comfortable with going to other's houses without mom. You can come over to my apartment, instead." I'm fighting so hard for her, I feel like church is what we both need cuz idk how much longer I can take leadership of everything and trying to benefit both of us. I feel more like her therapist/parent than a friend she knew since 3rd grade. I am religious so I'm trying to stay faithful of when this will finally end
Oh and we've called DHS on her fam on multiple occasions but nothing was done about it because they assumed the kids were in no actual harm. In my state, they don't take abandonment seriously unless the children r physically abused
@@Cadence__1700 you can either keep pouring from an empty cup or put the cup down for a while. Things may not change for her unless she's completely alone. You seem to always be there for her which she is heavily looking to you for answers and a way out but one day you're going to be tired of it and just won't have any energy left to deal with her. She's stuck as a victim but needs to learn she has control over herself.
@@Sebastian-Draegon Exactly even I told her that in a recent altercation we had, but she kept arguing more and making more excuses, so I literally ghosted for about two weeks since that conversation because she has completely drowned me. I used to love talking to her and I'm always smiling on the phone, but now I feel as if I can't stand a single message from her. As she kept distancing herself, so did I and I've been feeling different about us. And a difference in me. Like, a confidence I didn't know I had since I began doing things for myself since I held off my plans because I used to think she would join me
hai! i was unschooled until 3rd grade!! i first learned to read, write, and do math when i was 8 years old.. not only that but i was bad at socalizing too because i was only around my mom and my 4 siblings. my mom denys the fact that i couldnt read until i was 8 because we texted but how we texted was i would only rely on the microphone tool, i literally learned nothing for the first 8 years of my life because i would just play my xbox and watch youtube all day
And then when the kid is an adult who is living with the parents whom will most likely be "I don't understand why my child can't get a job" or "why my can't my child hold onto an job " or "why can't my child get an girl or boy "
Friendly reminder that homeschooling is often a way to further isolate children in an already toxic (abusive) environment. There have been multiple cases of horrific child abuse in the US that went unknown for so long in part due to all of the children being homeschooled.
One of the reasons home-schooling is illegal in Germany.
Her son may know abt minerals and animals but he does not know how to NOT scream and cry in the middle of the lego isle at target. I fear for the future
I am currently applying for law school, i am so grateful i was never “unschooled” i had a very abusive home life and going to public school gave me a safe place where my life was organized and not thrown into chaos and i could see my successes come to pass and learned to build my self confidence, and perseverance and ended up graduating early having completed two years of my undergraduate degree by age 19. Also studying Law is badass!
I’m so proud of you! My life did NOT turn out like that but I’m so relieved you might have an easier time for the rest of your life❤
Good luck with your plans!
7:00 Her kids literally copied these words from around the house, they don’t actually know what they mean or how to write them without copying. 😂
Bruh let me tell you, I had a roommate who treated her kids like this and her 12 year old son wasn't able to hold his bladder because she never potty trained him. Poor kid was always embarrassed because he would literally pee himself on accident all the time. It's sickening to do that to your kid.
Language is one of the developmental milestones checked by pediatricians. If a child doesn't meet the milestones for their age group then they are diagnosed with developmental delay