I CANT EXPRESS HOW MUCH YOU HELPED ME ... THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH !!!! I only play beach volleyball and its soo hard to have an arm swing like the pros because you dont jump that high on the sand.. and also the part the you say that you need to lead with the elbow and not with the arm is perfect !!
A high elbow swing gives you accuracy and consistency since the swinging motion is compact and tight. It also gives you a high hitting position as opposed to letting your elbow swing in from the side. Of course there are professional players that flail their arm sideways or doing roundhouse swings. But right before they snap, they all come back to a pition with elbow straight up and forearm folding behind upper arm. For beginners it’s much easier to just remember to keep elbow high in the first place than to learn how to swing your elbow from side to straight up. Gives you one less thing to keep track of and one less step that might break your swing. Guess the downside of high elbow, from what I hear, is shoulder injury. I have no way of knowing if this is true or if this is even relevant to non-professional athletes…
I agree to explanation of what not to do but I don’t agree to explanation of what is the right technique. At the loading phase you bring your elbow back. you can do it with the elbow at shoulder height, above shoulder height or below. This days we know that bringing the elbow above shoulder height is more related to shoulder injury. Most shoulder injuries happen in two points: the transition between taking your hand back and taking it forward and the hitting the ball point. The transition should be at around the shoulder height and the hitting point should be with a tilt of the body with elevation of the scapula . This is best for shoulder health.
i agree that the elbow can be at any level. But when you are coaching young kids, they don't get it. I disagree that elbow above the shoulder is the cause of injury. Shoulder injuries do occur in the transition - yes, Althought the tilt of the body explanation is similar to what I mentioned when I said "shoulder reach" ... is to create that tilt., combined with opening up natural results in the elbow not being directly above the shoulder. The main point is that I do not agree with the arm swinging OUT as most new players ended up not hitting at the optimal point. Most players, IMO, on the Japan team for example, do not swing the elbow the way I described. They pull it in and the proceed to swing high from there. But they still stay within the play. But if you look at, for example, @darlan souza from Team Brazil, who has a similar swing that I prescribe. I think he's textbook perfect. But again, I do love your explanation as I can see what you mean. I feel we have a similar armswing with a small difference. if you've done a video an armswing, I'd love to see and learn from your philosphy.
I really like your explanation, especially training with the wall. Before, I was hitting like you showed in the first part of the video, until my shoulder start to hurt a lot. I then tried changing my arm swing and I had the same idea as you to keep the elbow in the same vertical line. However I arrived at a different swing with a low elbow like Yuji Nishida's. It's efficient, powerful and injury free. Maybe it's beacause I was inspired by these japanese players: ua-cam.com/video/qrM8nQSD-GM/v-deo.html It's funny how different swings can result from the same idea. But, at the pro level, players have also different but efficient swings.
First - thank you for the repy @lankoto874! Second - love the video and the hitting drill. I was able slow down the hits the right side and it's not exactly as. I explained but drawing a plane along the swing still showed their hits along the plan and the turning of the torso. Third - I totally agree as well. At the end of the day, we swing in a way that works for our bodies with hopefully, minimum harm (especially long-term harm) This swing is really just for beginners. Too many start off wrong and start off too fancy. It's the general guideline of the plane - as I do break the plane in my swings - but I still use it to warm up the swing so I have muscle memory of the plane. Again - I'm not an expert. Just my best explanation to do a mechanically and strategically effective swing when starting off and even to adjust to make some current swings more effective and consistent.
Not totally agree. Not just simply the shorter wrist distance, it should be more about effective distance that wrist travels. Effective means how much force you can put to accelerate the wrist on the trajectory of wrist movement. Notice lot of high level professionals, they contact ball with slight drop of the opposite shoulder so that extended arm(right) and the leg(left) are in the same plane. If you playback from that contact point, you will notice that they started by pulling their arm slightly sideway instead of the “wall plane” you proposed. Pulling slightly side way can let them use their chest as well as shoulder to accelerate the elbow which in turn generates more speed of arm swing.
hi @yidang zhang, Actually - I agree with you. But I find when you start someone young with this advice instead of the plane, injuries happen more often. Whether we say opposite shoulder drops or the hitting shoulder "rises/reaches" - I think we are referring to the same. Too many watch the high level players and don't get the basic mechanics down. I see so many tall people with great verticals loose their effectiveness in their hitting simply because they get up there. But against real players, they get screwed. And often, it's elbow drops, or wrist/hand is "lazy". Thoughts? (And I appreciate your feedback as well!)
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I CANT EXPRESS HOW MUCH YOU HELPED ME ... THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH !!!! I only play beach volleyball and its soo hard to have an arm swing like the pros because you dont jump that high on the sand.. and also the part the you say that you need to lead with the elbow and not with the arm is perfect !!
really appreciate this feedback! Thank you.
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A high elbow swing gives you accuracy and consistency since the swinging motion is compact and tight. It also gives you a high hitting position as opposed to letting your elbow swing in from the side.
Of course there are professional players that flail their arm sideways or doing roundhouse swings. But right before they snap, they all come back to a pition with elbow straight up and forearm folding behind upper arm. For beginners it’s much easier to just remember to keep elbow high in the first place than to learn how to swing your elbow from side to straight up. Gives you one less thing to keep track of and one less step that might break your swing.
Guess the downside of high elbow, from what I hear, is shoulder injury. I have no way of knowing if this is true or if this is even relevant to non-professional athletes…
I agree to explanation of what not to do but I don’t agree to explanation of what is the right technique. At the loading phase you bring your elbow back. you can do it with the elbow at shoulder height, above shoulder height or below. This days we know that bringing the elbow above shoulder height is more related to shoulder injury. Most shoulder injuries happen in two points: the transition between taking your hand back and taking it forward and the hitting the ball point. The transition should be at around the shoulder height and the hitting point should be with a tilt of the body with elevation of the scapula . This is best for shoulder health.
i agree that the elbow can be at any level. But when you are coaching young kids, they don't get it. I disagree that elbow above the shoulder is the cause of injury. Shoulder injuries do occur in the transition - yes, Althought the tilt of the body explanation is similar to what I mentioned when I said "shoulder reach" ... is to create that tilt., combined with opening up natural results in the elbow not being directly above the shoulder. The main point is that I do not agree with the arm swinging OUT as most new players ended up not hitting at the optimal point. Most players, IMO, on the Japan team for example, do not swing the elbow the way I described. They pull it in and the proceed to swing high from there. But they still stay within the play. But if you look at, for example, @darlan souza from Team Brazil, who has a similar swing that I prescribe. I think he's textbook perfect. But again, I do love your explanation as I can see what you mean. I feel we have a similar armswing with a small difference. if you've done a video an armswing, I'd love to see and learn from your philosphy.
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I really like your explanation, especially training with the wall.
Before, I was hitting like you showed in the first part of the video, until my shoulder start to hurt a lot. I then tried changing my arm swing and I had the same idea as you to keep the elbow in the same vertical line.
However I arrived at a different swing with a low elbow like Yuji Nishida's. It's efficient, powerful and injury free. Maybe it's beacause I was inspired by these japanese players: ua-cam.com/video/qrM8nQSD-GM/v-deo.html
It's funny how different swings can result from the same idea. But, at the pro level, players have also different but efficient swings.
First - thank you for the repy @lankoto874!
Second - love the video and the hitting drill. I was able slow down the hits the right side and it's not exactly as. I explained but drawing a plane along the swing still showed their hits along the plan and the turning of the torso.
Third - I totally agree as well. At the end of the day, we swing in a way that works for our bodies with hopefully, minimum harm (especially long-term harm)
This swing is really just for beginners. Too many start off wrong and start off too fancy. It's the general guideline of the plane - as I do break the plane in my swings - but I still use it to warm up the swing so I have muscle memory of the plane.
Again - I'm not an expert. Just my best explanation to do a mechanically and strategically effective swing when starting off and even to adjust to make some current swings more effective and consistent.
Not totally agree. Not just simply the shorter wrist distance, it should be more about effective distance that wrist travels. Effective means how much force you can put to accelerate the wrist on the trajectory of wrist movement. Notice lot of high level professionals, they contact ball with slight drop of the opposite shoulder so that extended arm(right) and the leg(left) are in the same plane. If you playback from that contact point, you will notice that they started by pulling their arm slightly sideway instead of the “wall plane” you proposed. Pulling slightly side way can let them use their chest as well as shoulder to accelerate the elbow which in turn generates more speed of arm swing.
hi @yidang zhang, Actually - I agree with you. But I find when you start someone young with this advice instead of the plane, injuries happen more often. Whether we say opposite shoulder drops or the hitting shoulder "rises/reaches" - I think we are referring to the same.
Too many watch the high level players and don't get the basic mechanics down. I see so many tall people with great verticals loose their effectiveness in their hitting simply because they get up there. But against real players, they get screwed. And often, it's elbow drops, or wrist/hand is "lazy".
Thoughts? (And I appreciate your feedback as well!)