The CURSED Mac SE, Part 3: IT'S ALIVE!!! (Mostly)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Aw man, I made some progress... but have we lifted the curse of this crazy modded Mac SE turned SE/30?
Let's figure out all of these drives, and see if we can't get them all working at the same time! And while we're at it, let's upgrade this to a version of Mac OS that many think impossible.
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I LOVE this series man. Especially because you’re paying respects to the original modder and not just insulting all the weird jury-rigged stuff he did.
I’ve done a good number of ugly, frankenstein mods in my time and always thought they’d be unsellable/unloved, but seeing someone buy and appreciate the love someone put into a rig is just so cool. I really hope the original owner stumbles on these videos some day.
Haha that would be amazing if the original modder found these videos!
@@ActionRetro put some plastic wrap on the upper left corner of the back case, then put it on the Mac. Then you can build up the damaged corner of the front with Bondo Glass or other body filler that has glass fiber in it. Or you could try using glass fiber and ABS cement to layer it up enough to support finishing it with filler. Would be easier than cutting up another front to fit the drives, and since it's going to be black anyway it'd be a good time to sand down the whole case then prime and apply a nice new coat of black.
And as it turns out, he did! In a newer video about this Mac, Action Retro mentions that he got an email from the original modder talking about not only his reaction to seeing a video about his Mac, but also the story of the Mac (alongside some included pictures of the Mac as it was being worked on). It's a small world we live in.
Turning NeXT mouse into an Apple one : "NO !!! It belongs in a museum !!!"
Hahaha that's why I only used a sticker!
@@ActionRetro You should put a solid circular sticker under the apple one to better cover the original logo.
@@JungleKarmaPizzaKitchen hey nice idea!
But does the NeXT mouse work on a Mac with OSX?
@@ActionRetro You're not just going to use the original painted blue and black one? XD
Love that thing! You could also replace the CPU with a 40MHz 68040 Daystar IIci-type jobbie using a Daystar SE/30 adapter
0:58 i like how there this stupidly thin piece of plastic between the drives who ever did this was hell bent on modding this thing lol
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I just discovered this series yesterday, imagine my delight finding the new installment today!
I stumbled upon this series the other day by chance and had to subscribe to follow the journey of this rebuild. It's such a crazy but awesome setup that I'm just so interested in it. I mean a mac se running os 8 with 128mb ram, an sd2scsi, cd drive, even a freakin jaz drive!? I mean come on how can you not like it? Lol
Wish I were, I've been dropping comments in various Mac videos about that extension for a while now. Man, this is getting nostalgic! :D
I would love to see you give this a proper black paint job, and clear coat, so it won't chip, and peel. One thing that's always bugged me about the B/W era macs is how they don't use the entire CRT area out to the edges, and so you end up with a lot of wasted space.
You can adjust the CRT to use more of the visible screen but if you go too much it will cut things off
@@macman85602 I know, but it still just bugs me the way Apple handled CRT displays back then compared to everyone else with the old Macs, I think it was handled better on the Apple II, and Apple IIGS line, and speaking of the Apple IIGS(they should have gone with it over the Mac IMHO) I personally think it was a much better computer than the Mac line of the same time frame, and my school was lucky enough to have Apple IIIE, Apple IIc, Apple IIGS, and various Apple Mac models at the same time so I could compare them as a user side by side, and I had an Apple IIIE at home with a color display, alongside a Commodore C128, both had dual disk drives, and both shared an Epson printer.
I have been binge watching your channel for the last week! I love it!
Thank you, that really means a lot!
This mac was cool for these reasons. 1) It was painted black. 2) It had speakers hooked up inside it. 3) It had a blue cd-rom facade. 5) It had an internal Jazz drive. 6) It was for music production. So you could imagine the sick goa trance and trip hop it was cooking up in the mid 90's in some studio in a scruffy part of town.
I don't like the sd card drive or the BMOW rom or the hack for OS 8.1. It runs too slow now and your background is not fitting for a working computer.
You just need to fix the scsi drive, paint the cd-rom blue (I think they were trying to get it to fit with the Jazz drive's blue but failing a bit - oh and an orange highlight on the eject button would be best). Roll back to the OS it was running because it was running faster with it. Then trick it out with little speakers inside and cut grills for the sound to come out. Then maybe add a switch to disable them if needed as in the machine is connected to monitors or an external amp or headphones. Then install Cubase and ASIO drivers. Then find a black keyboard. Then get someone to compose something on it and play it from the internal speakers.
That would be best.
Ah, but in reality, it was probably just some crappy MIDI tunes like I used to compose on my old AWE32. :-)
Im loving seeing this thing come to its original owners visions. But with professional care this time.
I always loved retrotech, but I wasnt into macs before more, but youve converted me. These funky little things are great
Haha hooray!
I love your videos! Keep the good work!
Thank you!
Thank you for not modifying that NeXT mouse with any more than a sticker. Though honestly, I'd leave it as is.
Bruh this just makes me want to get out all the G3 and G4 laptops I have and set them up from scratch, get them to talk to eachother, run some software, and enjoy the experience of owning old macs. I love this series because of your voice and your commentary. Your channel reminds me of Akbkuku and Druaga1 but I like the way you deliver your content because I never feel bored at any point (not to say their content is boring).
Thanks man that means a lot!
I hope you actually do something with this when you're done. Like use it for email, writing, basic web browsing, irc, etc. Maybe you can get social blade or something similar on it so you can have a live view of how many UA-cam subscribers and social media followers you have then you could have it in the background of your videos and maybe make people want to subscribe. Anything, just don't let this cool device go to waste lol
Oh, good idea about hooking it up to Socialblade! It does have an ethernet card! I also think this machine is perfect for screen recording classic software, with its black bezels and sharp screen.
@@ActionRetro I know you likely aren't a music guy but I'd also love to see you try and use this for music production as well. Really weird idea that somebody would try and use an SE/30 for music.
@@IoIxD I mean, technically Pro Tools would run on one of these? I think some keyboard were Jaz drive compatible too, so there's that?
Perfect kodi device
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ProTools 1.0 was likely a glint in its creators’ eye when this “Cursed Macintosh” was out stalking the land.
Yes, Macs worked natively with MIDI devices (inc. keyboards). In truth, the only music software I really remember using back then was SoundEdit Pro and Steinberg CuBase (!). Have fun!
Well done. Definitely a franken-computer, but super cool nonetheless.
If I remember my own SE/30 adventure it's that 8.1 required an FPU and the SE/30 is, basically, the only 030 Mac to both have enough potential RAM to pull it off and a built-in FPU. 3 drives INTERNAL... that is one crazy ass SE/30.
Generally you can pop open the connectors of those SCSI cables and move them to create a shorter cable, maybe give it a shot to clean up that mess (or try building your own cable from scratch!)
Thanks Obama!
That time when the operating system used 8 MB of RAM instead of 4 GB.
... and people complained about how it ate all of their RAM because the previous versions had used 2 MB instead of 8.
7 and 7.1 were fine with 4 MB installed RAM, 7.5 required at least 8, better 12 MB to work properly and 8 was useless without at least 32. In 1999 I got my used 7200 with 160 MB running 8.5 and quickly downgraded it to a dual-boot of 7.6.1 and 8.1, using 7.6 most of the time because it was so much faster, especially startup! Desktop pictures were real power hogs too. I had Kaleidoscope (essentially a shareware that did what Appearance control panel did on 8.5 and up) on my Performa 450 and replacing the background with a photo made it almost useless!
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Everything was slow back then, honestly. I had a 7200 with 32 megs, I know all about that. The CPU was far more a bottleneck than anything else, I never found the RAM to be a real problem.
Especially with Kaleidoscope. I know all about Kaleidoscope, it did a lot more than just what the appearance control panel did. It also chugged on anything less than a 603e. Even my 7200 had trouble running it, wasn't until I had a Performa 6400 that it was bearable.
My statement was more in an absolute sense about how developers managed to do more with less RAM back then.
Great video series, I loved how much work you put into getting the machine up to snuff with respect. Good luck with the recap!
Thank you!
Paint the bezel blue. If you can paint the mouse buttons blue but please don't make it black! The original was PURPOSELY painted blue and to go against that would be against the original owners wishes.
Sean is so calm in these early videos. It’s almost ASMR-y
Amazing series, it's been great seeing this Mac restored back to life!
One question though, are you planning on backing up the contents of the Jaz disks? If I remember correctly they're even less reliable than the Zip disks of yesteryear.
I think, in order to keep with the spirit of the original build, but do your own twist on it, the trim-plate for the CD-ROM Disk Tray should be painted blue. It would preserve the identity of where it came from, while simultaneously giving it a new look unique to this version of the mod.
14:45 Nothing is more permanent than a temporary fix.
Now this is really starting to get cool.
Thank you for representing the oft forgotten history of Mac Modding and giving this thing a proper treatment. I feel like you could keep going too, some new paint, some more hardware upgrades and whatnot. See if you can find a green or orange phosphor CRT to replace the white one, there are drop in replacements. One was used in one of the Kaypros iirc. Really run with the "mac from another dimension" theme
@Nathan Brown Green would be terrific!
Incredible work! I love how well you explain everything. If you can do this much with an SE/30, I can't imagine how much stuff you could cram into your S900! :-)
I was looking forward for this episode ;-) I did the same thing this week! I am using a NeXT ADB keyboard and mouse on my black 5500! Just published a video on that :-) Congrats on this project!
I want to know more about the programs and files the original owner had on here!
"If I'd read the instructions…" oh yeah that helps tremendously. Hopefully that board doesn't cause too many problems for Steve
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Wow, I am thoroughly impressed sir! Bringing this box back to life is beyond amazing. The only joke I'll make is about all that ribbon cable in there. Throw some sauce and Parmesan cheese on it and dig in! LOL
I haven't used a Mac since about 1990, but I would use this, definitely! Respect! Keep up the great work!
edit: I also wanted to comment on your editing skill: Brilliant!
This mac looks like the next prototype out of mac factory just I love how hackie is inside and how crazy was the old owner with those mods
Wonder if the next mod you could do would be a screen upgrade! That'd be really sweet to see a flat panel get wired into it an make those few colors really pop!
This series is great! Please do some modding on an atari mega ste one day, I heard that you can do some pretty cool stuff with it too.
This is amazing. It kinda makes me want to hook up my old Mac SE/30 again and toy around with it. But I would never have the nerve to cut it up and Frankenstein it to hell like that. I love that you're keeping it as-is though and are making the original idea better. That was definitely the right choice here.
The CD-ROM probably has 4 mounting holes on the bottom at the far corners, would just need to drill matching holes in the chassis.
I love the apple logo stickers, where did you buy them?
I got an Idea for your SCSI to SD Adapter: You could cut a slot inside the side of the Mac for getting the card itself in and out with ease. For unbuzzing your CD-Drive just take painter's tape on the sides. This will decouple the drive from the chassis and thus improve your situation.
I'd install the card reader facing the back chassis, creating a slot for that, to be able to insert/eject the card for different purposes, just in case! this could be a future upgrade!
I am loving this series so far! This is by far one of the most weird Mac's i have ever seen!
I was like "when he will upload the next clip of The CURSED Mac SE?" an hour ago, then you uploaded THIS.
It’s coming great! I’m gonna cast my vote into the ‘painting the CD plate blue not black’ pool - I think the two tone was super weird and 90’s in a fun way. Also hope way too many speakers end up making it inside that beast too!! Lol
Ahh. I kinda liked the blue-black CD drive plate. But it's still awesome.
Haha yeah I'm on the fence about the color. I'm thinking I'm going to go all-black.
@@ActionRetro Fully black will be cool too.
@@ActionRetro That blue did favor to the build, though IMHO.
Action Retro I liked the blue; it’d probably be hard to find a matching paint, but it’d be really neat if you kept the same original aesthetic
Reminds me of the time I was told "it's impossible to get Windows 3.11 For Workgroups to run on a 286/16.". Teenage me, hold my metaphorical beer...I give you a 286/16 running Windows 3.11 For Workgroups...2 weeks later the group blew up. Fried the CPU. This started me down my path of Cyrix 6x86, AMD K2, Pentium 60Mhz etc. Ended up becoming a Network Engineer for 14 years. Completely self taught, never went to school for any of it. Graduated high school May 1995, had my 1st full time job as as a Computer Tech August 1995. Started out making $6 per hour ($12,480.00 per year). Had to stop working in 2009 due to naturally occurring spinal cord injury resulting in permanent disability at age 32 😭 (I'm not immobile, nor do I have any special needs. I just live in a literal state of constant, severe pain & neurological symptoms that never go away. I can't lift anything, can't sit for to long or I lose all feeling from the waist down, can't walk far without stopping, etc. Have to take 4 different types of medications, see a pain management Dr every 2 months...it sucks. Wife divorced me & I lost everything) Final ending salary $61,500.00 ($29.57 per hour). Not bad for on a high school diploma & 14 years experience.
What you're doing here I find interesting, intriguing and it makes me happy to see. What I'm not happy about, is your 25 year old computer with a 22 year old OS running faster than my Lenovo T490 running Windows 10 :/
This was a great project. I heard of Wish I Were but never had to use it. It would have been nice to have a built-in Jaz or Zip Drive in a compact. I used to bring the work SE/30 home in a carry bag so I had time to design forms for my work. All the work files were on a LaCie external 80 MB drive that i also had to lug home. Eventually I got a Performa 600CD and a ZIP Drive. Made my life a hell of a lot easier. Look on the Facebook page later, I have an announcement.
I addition to re-capping the motherboard, were you going to recap the analog board? I addition to repainting he case and CD ROM drive, a black keyboard would be nice, whether that be a Next keyboard (I assume it is also ADB) or painting a 3rd party keyboard and replacing the keycaps. Plus that SD extender - maybe cut a slot in the front and mount it? Just some ideas.
I think that cutting a small slot for the SD card above the internal Jaz drive would be a good solution and in the spirit of the original modder.
Micron made a video board for these that displayed greyscale on the internal CRT and supported a color external monitor. Plugged into the PDS and had a replacement for the board plugged onto the back of the CRT. Pretty rare gizmo. vintageapple.org/gamba2/microngray.html
This would make a good companion machine for an old samplers like Akai S-series, Kurzweil K2000, Emu EIII, Emax etc. While its popular now to just replace their internal / external drives with CF and SD cards I would totally dedicate a lil machine like this to sample editing
Needs 32 bit memory addressing turning on by the looks of things
Just got a perfectly timed add. He goes in to plug the USB cable into the power book and right as it connects I get the explosion at the beginning of the warzone season 5 trailer.
Is good to know that SE30 can handle the MacOS 8.1 I like your Dart Vader Mac SE 30
all those speakers, the music on file, cd drive...Yo this was a boom box! restore it as a Mac SE30 GhettoBlaster!
THE MOUSE LOOKS AMAZING. Especially with that sticker. Very slick!
That mouse really is appropriate
I would love to know how the hell that guy cut that plastic so good to have a thin piece of plastic between the jazz drive and the CD rom. That is some top tier cutting. Great video
dont forget to add speakers to the cass to finish the mod bro. Thats taking it as far at it would go with those mods.
Obligatory early comment. Love the content dude, keep it up!
Thanks man! That really means a lot!
My god, what did Steve Jobs have against functional mouse designs
I said it before I'm gonna say it again. Get rounded scsi cables.
Better still, get some IDC connectors and make a custom ribbon cable with the right number of connectors, spaced to fit the drives in the machine. It will be shorter, nowhere near as bulky, and look neater. A bench vice is a great tool for crimping IDC connectors, and quite often, they can be harvested from old cables if the budget is tight.
@@colinpye1430 yeah custom lengths would help. I've made custom rounded cables. Its easy if you don't sleeve them. Make them and separate the wires after the connectors are on. Sleeving them requires crimping connectors with individual wires. Much harder!
Amazing!!! I still have my dads old SE-30 but I will need to get a mouse and keyboard for it. It’s Hard drive is even named after me. :D
Would it help if you glued the CDROM to the rubber pegs?
Hi there, sorry to bother you but I wonder if you could help me a little. I've binged watched your videos and really enjoyed them, I've also been jealous of your external drive with lots of partitions of bootable macOS installers. I've got a 240GB SSD that I want to add a few partitions to myself and I've downloaded Yosemite, El Capitan and High Sierra with the aim of making them all bootable. I often help my friend reinstall macOS and I usually end up creating a new flash drive every time. It would be better if I could just have them ready to go whenever required. Have you made any explanations for how you achieved this on yours or perhaps made a video about it?
My plan is to create some small partitions all in journaled format (maybe APFS for High Sierra if possible) and then run terminal commands to make them bootable installers of the OS's I downloaded from Apple. Do you think I'll run into any issues or problems with this? Thanks for reading and thanks for your great videos.
You need to find the hack to fit 640x480 on the integrated CRT & install a graphics-card to support 8-bit grayscale
Now , replace the monitor with a LCD for full color.
The million dollar question: are you going to paint the CD drive blue to match the old one? :)
I'm torn between blue and black!
@@ActionRetro you could always make a poll or something if you can't decide
So, any thoughts about how you're going to get the cd audio working on this? For that matter, what about the system audio?
What about the NIC card? Are you going to put that back in? Seems like you could have some wacky fun surfing the web in IE 4.0 preview. ;)
Oh yeah, that's definitely going back in!
4.5 might work, and Netscape 4.8. Whacky fun! Actually I think my dad STILL uses Netscape 4.8 on a G4 Quicksilver to work on his web site!
you gotta paint the drive cover blue
nice vids bro. i would trade all 4 of my SE's for one as cursed as yours.
Mounting the entire SCSI/SD adapter to the back would be best I feel. Gives the the option for other adapters down the line, should you need it. Definitely I would stress a 3D printed bracket solution for the two optical drives. If you need help with that, let me know :)
I'm not a mod guy, but this thing is freaking awesome.
The only thing similar to this I've ever seen was a series of modded eMacs for running MorphOS. That black eMac is something I still adore.
Just mind blowing what you cando with old technology, you may wonder why the heck we do need superpowerful pc’s these days if even 16bit computers can be just more then enough to do all usefull work on it!!!
This is a series that does not dissapoint! Man this thing is odd (obviously in a good way!)
Also, paint the drive blue like the original, and try and find a place for the SD card adapter (maybe cut a slit in the front, left of the jaz drive, similar to the old floppy drives that were in there originally) that would be really interesting!
The previous "owner", used a DREMEL to cut the things against all safety regulations. I wouldn't touch that machine with my bare foot. And, that POOR power supply! BTW, take your ring off when working with electronics. Acts as a spark plug. One spark, and you could potentially be "plugged"..... Into the dirt.
The replacement drive should be painted blue!
Not that it really matters now, but I'm guessing that the reason why those other CD drives wouldn't read before is because you were booting off of that ROM, which had System 7.1 on it. IME versions of System Software prior to OS 7.6 don't like to play nice with non-Apple CD drives without an extension. I ran into this when I bought an external LaCie CD drive for my IIci, which was running 7.5. Wouldn't read anything and I thought it was busted. All I had to do was take the CD-ROM extension from OS 7.6 and replace the 7.5 CD extension with it, and lo and behold it worked perfectly.
Turn it into the 90s home studio with a handle it clearly was meant to be.
Replace the speaker wires out with a 1/8th or XLR, give it MIDI In/Thru/Out, recap it and make sure it gets nice clean power, give it a balanced line in... You'd then have something that knocks the socks off of Amiga machines meant for music production what with their MIDI ports coming standard!
Hell, you'd be going into professional studio territory with all the stuff I was talking about... And with that said, I'm sure somebody who is still using Ensoniq or EMU samplers would kill to have this rig!
This is so cool! Maybe foam padding for the bottom of the CD-ROM might make a difference for sound baffling.
Electricity tastes horrible. Especially when you wake up underneath a machine just in time to get out from underneath it, before it performs its' finishing move. I was nearly crushed to DEATH. It's really scary stuff.
Great video series! FWIW, though, I would put a Gotek floppy emulator where the Jaz drive is. There also isn't any real way to quiet the CD drive given your space constraints, and there is unfortunately no optical drive emulator solution I know of. I have taken to using a second SD (or CF) adapter and partitioning it to CD sizes. It clutters your desktop and you have to think ahead because you have to reboot to swap cards, but it's silent and fast.
Definitely cool. Can't help but think would be better ditching the jazz drive and just having the SD card or alternatively getting a GOTEC reader. All black for drives.
Those crazy SE30s man. Had no idea they'd run something as recent as 8.1. I mean, Isn't that what originally shipped with the first iMacs and PM G3s?
A quick tip, if you work on those compact macs, its always a good idea to unplug the little pcb from the neck of the crt, when i was young, i had the exact same machine, and i also love to tinker, and when i was unplugging stuff, i accidentally hit that little pcb, resulting in a dead crt, it isn't dangerous at all and it gives you a little bit more space and your chances in damaging the crt neck dramatically lowers. Great video btw man! Love this series! 16:00 You have a usb OTG extension cable for tablets, its a male micro usb on one end, but a female input instead of the mail usb type a plug, they do exist because i have one of those :p maby you can use that? Than you can plug your Mac SE/30 in your laptop with a mobile phone wire
You have a very strange way of approaching these projects. Hacks for unsupported OS versions would be the last thing on my list... just after decoating the mouse. People only want to hear your voice, so please adjust your microphone so that we can't hear your breathing and all the other unnessesary noises from your mouth. It sounds much like my cat when he's licking his fur.
I reckon you fix that poor black and blue CD-ROM drive if you really wanted to. Probably just a jammed mechanism.
I wonder if maybe the jazz drive wasn't powered because a cd drive + jazz drive + spinning hard disk was too much for the PSU?
Awesome.. 👍😀
This thing is ridiculous. What else can you pack in there? Since it doesn't have internal speakers anymore, maybe you can run a minijack to the back of it somewhere
You need a slot loading CD ROM for this Mac. Macs automatically eject unreadable disks and this includes when no disk is inserted. It'll always eject the tray unless a CD that it can read is kept in the drive.
It's nice but not essential just convenient but I wouldn't worry about how much noise it is making too much.
It's old for one and back then it wasn't really a big deal "each component that made noise told you that it was working".
Should have kept the NEXT logo. Much much cooler!!! Who has a NEXT mouse?
If you repaint the whole thing, maybe go for the color of the jaz drive... So you can leave the jaz drive original with all the printings on it.
The only way this Mac could get any more cursed is if it had one of those resolution mods that Japan loved to do to Color Classics.
Great Job Sean Looks Like You Are Getting All The Drives Sorted Out. Yes Steve Said You Were Sending The Mother Board To Him To Recap Now You Need To Give It A Great Paint Job And Some Cool Decals For The Case Email Me If You Want Me To Make You Some.
Thanks David! Will do!
This classic Mac OS boot sequence with the happy mac and the extensions loading must be one of my alltime favorites
For everyone who finds the mouse upsetting, just think of it as a reenactment of Steve Jobs' return to Apple.
You should consider putting an accelerator in there to not only speed things up but also push the machine to its max even more!
What was the problem with the SD? Last video it froze during boot, but you seem to have fixed it.