@@dalegray934 Isn't there going to be a lot of metal fatigue. Extremely fast airplanes are usually made by titanium not only for the weight also for less metal fatigue from the heat.
Just imagine how fucking terrifying it’ll be to make reentry in starship for passengers?! A 100km freefall before the engines kick after a 90° turn at 1km altitude. It’s basically a 40k drop-pod, which is awesome
and the short stretch of time between then and now is mind-boggling too. the other space agencies are looking on jealously and copying for the sake of copying.🤣 one day, they'll understand the logic of spacex and forget copying - do hope at some future point, there'll be a spirit of cooperation between them.
Before flight 5&6 a whole lot of people (and probably me as well) would have been super skeptical about a ship chopstick catch…. But honestly I have great confidence that they can do it. It’s incredible to see everything coming together after all these years!
And a lot of Elon Haters have complained about the whole thing "if they used a drone ship they could get more delta v" yet that completely ignores rapid reusability. Being able to use the rocket hours later and not days later. And these scientists (like Thunderf00t) think everyone that disagrees is stupid. There's so much people don't understand about Space X and we've all been in that same boat. I've learnt so much and they're knocking it out of the park!!
I was in the same camp but am not fully convinced. Doing it once is great, doing it 100x a year or more is another thing. I think it's worth the effort to pursue, I just can't say if it will ever be reliable enough. That is no easy call even for the experts despite the fans belief they can't fail and the haters belief that fail is all they can do.
I hear you i always thought that the ships would end up getting landing legs, they still need to find a way to add catch pins to the ships but definitely possible
I expect that the ship launch and catch won't happen on the same day. They'll just park it in orbit and do a controlled re-entry later on when they're ready. Gives them time to do any repairs on the chopsticks after a booster catch, and also allows them to see how the ship holds up during an extended stay in space.
The resilient seals that block plasma flow between flaps and body needed improvement. The tile durability on the flaps was another problem. For example, if the flaps' steel skin deforms too much, then the rigid tile (bonded to it) will crack. So the flap skin might need to be a more rigid honeycomb sandwich. Or, the intermediate layer needed to provide more resiliency, similar to hard tile underlayment.
Excellent as usual! It was cool to see the bottom flaps fold in right after the engines ignited while the nose flaps stayed open. The whole process looks like it's out of a '50s sci-fi movie! ... Just fantastic!!!
It seems to me that once they can put the ship in orbit they will, and they will use that as time to remove the booster from the pad just in case of catastrophic landing failure to save the booster. Just to be safe for the first few, but once the landings are routine both will be on the pad at the same time and both land there.
IFT8 is going to be lit! I wonder if they’re going to catch the booster prior to the ship. That means they’ll have to haul ass to get the booster back onto its transport stand and out of the way ASAP. Should make for some amazing entertainment!
Applying little heat shield tiles tiles is a very labor intensive process. There needs to be a faster way of applying heat protection such as using ultra high heat blankets.
They will strip it back as far as they possibly can while still safe, with the limitations on engine efficiency imposed by bipropellants every kilogram of weight saved make a major difference.
need a backup PEZ dispenser escape protocol, whereby astronauts get "deployed" like atarlink satellites in emergency, adopting the no part is best part philosophy safety strategy lol
This view is spectacular! I worry though because every time I see these heavy stage boosters and crafts landing they all seem to be just a tiny bit crooked for the final contact. Is this planned ? EDIT. The little flap could is now the flap that can do! Just say 'in.
Great analysis. Thinking about ISS retirement makes me wonder how much of its contents have a salvage value. How much would you pay for a bit of ISS memorabilia?
I think the biggest problem for this system will be reliability. They just had to abort catching a booster. That's a good idea for safety, but for Super Heavy to make any sense, they can't afford even the reliability similar to the space shuttle (say 99%). When they need 10 refueling attempts for the HLS, then that means a 10% chance of needing at least one extra booster or second stage. And getting that right, without the ability to abort a landing like a plane, and with the explosive nature of a rocket... that's going to be tricky and time consuming.
The accuracy? This footage maybe proves the landing accuracy to be better than a few meters, maybe even more. Not saying that the accuracy can't be in the centimeter range, just that this footage doesn't prove more. If they are smart, and usually they are, the camera on the buoy can move, so the ship can land in a relatively large area and still be on video perfectly fine. In any case, landing accurately is not a new feat for Starship, by now it's quite routine. The bigger question is whether they can achieve the reliability to risk the chopsticks.
If it doesn't sink on it's own they'll sink it, they had to do that with one of the early F9's when they were doing soft water landing tests, one fell over and broke up but on chunk would not sink and I believe they demo'd it. That was a lot closer to home though, out in the indian ocean I don't know, they might expect wave action and weather to sink it eventually or maybe the FTS charges are used.
@@schrodingerscat1863 Are any of the Raptor engines recovered after it sinks? I can see an adversary wanting to recover those from the bottom of the ocean!
@@Create-The-Imaginable Not so far from the Starship, the Indian ocean is way too deep to mount a salvage operation. They did lift raptors from one of the boosters as that is just off shore. After a short time in salt water the engines would be so corroded and damaged they would likely be useless to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if they salvage the booster engines again as they are in quite shallow water so it would be possible for competition to be able to get to them quickly.
It doesn't have landing legs, that's why. This iteration of the starship is expected to be caught by the chopsticks, but the eventual Lunar and Mars mission ships will definitely have landing legs as a necessity of course. They don't bother with landing legs on the ship and booster for earth missions in order to save weight and increase payload to orbit capacity.
That was just an iterative step to prove the flip and burn landing maneuver for the high altitude hop tests. They'll do at least one more ocean landing like this before trying to catch it like they did the booster. There won't be legs again until moon/Mars landers. There might be tests of that system on Earth, but the majority of ship returns to Earth will land on the tower except for some flight profiles where they will expend it in the atmosphere to burn up or ditch it in the ocean. Expect a long process with many different iterations and profiles as they optimize the design. We're still a long way from what it will ultimately become.
I must say that I'm a bit surprised that both the booster and the starship weren't programed to come to a full stop at the height of the chopsticks. The way they "landed" after flight 6, they would have broken the chopsticks, they would have been falling too fast at the height of the chopsticks.
Traditional rockets are close to reaching the limit of their capability. RDE is the next stage in rocketry, all be it not traditional. I wonder when SpaceX will start down that road? Still new forms of space propulsion are need to be developed without the interference of nay sayers pretending that they know better.
@@AnomalyXero Modern American spelling is better than old English spelling. One of the attributes of progress is spending less time doing something, which means that less keystrokes are required. Color, flavor, not colour, flavour. There is no need for the letter 'u' since the meaning of the word does not change. Program instead of programme. There is no need for the letters 'me' at the end of the word. So from now on, please write in modern English.
Modern American spelling is better than old English spelling. One of the attributes of progress is spending less time doing something, which means that less keystrokes are required. Color, flavor, not colour, flavour. There is no need for the letter 'u' since the meaning of the word does not change. Program instead of programme. There is no need for the letters 'me' at the end of the word. So from now on, please write in modern English.
@@AnomalyXero It "bobs" in the water like a boy would; it doesn't "booey" in the water! Hey-ho, Churchill always said we were two nations separated by a common language!
That is probably not pure Stainless Steel, I can see if being some kind of modified meta material that does not rust! Probably classified. It's called 30X and is a proprietary material.
The transition from Starhopper to this is actually insane
Facts!
This is Starfish?
Still can't believe that stainless steel body survived the re-entry told about being built to withstand the forces and heat
That variety of stainless steel has amazing strength even when heated to crazy temperatures.
Not surprised at all. It's one of the reasons they chose stainless steel. Carbon fibre would have been ash
^this, exactly.@@XCX237
@@dalegray934 Isn't there going to be a lot of metal fatigue. Extremely fast airplanes are usually made by titanium not only for the weight also for less metal fatigue from the heat.
@@lubricustheslippery5028 probably, thats how building a tech tree works
It's the Adama maneuver!!
I did a painting of the Adama Maneuver for the show back in the day... Just look up "Jeffrey Stark Adama Maneuver"... That's done by me... 😁👍
Fracking A it is
Just imagine how fucking terrifying it’ll be to make reentry in starship for passengers?! A 100km freefall before the engines kick after a 90° turn at 1km altitude. It’s basically a 40k drop-pod, which is awesome
That’d make for one hell of a ride! 😂
Carnival ride, writ large.
Looks a bit cooked but absolutely incredible that thing came down in one piece from 17000mph.
and the short stretch of time between then and now is mind-boggling too.
the other space agencies are looking on jealously and copying for the sake of copying.🤣 one day, they'll understand the logic of spacex and forget copying - do hope at some future point, there'll be a spirit of cooperation between them.
Thank you for the additional information AND non-AI voice !!!
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Before flight 5&6 a whole lot of people (and probably me as well) would have been super skeptical about a ship chopstick catch…. But honestly I have great confidence that they can do it. It’s incredible to see everything coming together after all these years!
And a lot of Elon Haters have complained about the whole thing "if they used a drone ship they could get more delta v" yet that completely ignores rapid reusability. Being able to use the rocket hours later and not days later. And these scientists (like Thunderf00t) think everyone that disagrees is stupid.
There's so much people don't understand about Space X and we've all been in that same boat. I've learnt so much and they're knocking it out of the park!!
@@nicosmind3If I've learned anything over the years is that it's generally not wise to bet against elon.
I was in the same camp but am not fully convinced. Doing it once is great, doing it 100x a year or more is another thing. I think it's worth the effort to pursue, I just can't say if it will ever be reliable enough. That is no easy call even for the experts despite the fans belief they can't fail and the haters belief that fail is all they can do.
I hear you i always thought that the ships would end up getting landing legs, they still need to find a way to add catch pins to the ships but definitely possible
What is even more impressive to me is that it's really only been a handful of years since they starts SS/SH.
I expect that the ship launch and catch won't happen on the same day. They'll just park it in orbit and do a controlled re-entry later on when they're ready. Gives them time to do any repairs on the chopsticks after a booster catch, and also allows them to see how the ship holds up during an extended stay in space.
Nice job! Your delivery is sounding more relaxed too.
AWESOME...!!! THE CATCHING IS MY FAVORITE....!!!
great coverage. thank you!
Am I the only one baffled by how the ships flaps survived this time better then ever. With less heat protection then ever!?
I think they altered how the ship re-enters the atmosphere. It was hotter but took less time.
The resilient seals that block plasma flow between flaps and body needed improvement.
The tile durability on the flaps was another problem. For example, if the flaps' steel skin deforms too much, then the rigid tile (bonded to it) will crack.
So the flap skin might need to be a more rigid honeycomb sandwich. Or, the intermediate layer needed to provide more resiliency, similar to hard tile underlayment.
yeah bouy
Imagine some guy fishing out there and this comes landing close to you
Thanks for the update, can't wait for the next launch with the new and improved Starship.🚀👍👍
Great video 👍
All I can say is awesome...
Excellent as usual!
It was cool to see the bottom flaps fold in right after the engines ignited while the nose flaps stayed open.
The whole process looks like it's out of a '50s sci-fi movie!
... Just fantastic!!!
It seems to me that once they can put the ship in orbit they will, and they will use that as time to remove the booster from the pad just in case of catastrophic landing failure to save the booster. Just to be safe for the first few, but once the landings are routine both will be on the pad at the same time and both land there.
dont you dare for one second think we didnt notice "they have their plate full with starship's heat shield"
I think that "rapid re-use" is going to be the biggest hurdle.
You and everyone else including spacex since they announced the program.
Always has been.
IFT8 is going to be lit! I wonder if they’re going to catch the booster prior to the ship. That means they’ll have to haul ass to get the booster back onto its transport stand and out of the way ASAP. Should make for some amazing entertainment!
Thought the starship land had sound! TFS, GB :)
Applying little heat shield tiles tiles is a very labor intensive process.
There needs to be a faster way of applying heat protection such as using ultra high heat blankets.
Is survived unlike the shuttle blew up missing heat shield tiles. Bit I heard in a UA-cam video that space x wants to use thinner steel.
They will strip it back as far as they possibly can while still safe, with the limitations on engine efficiency imposed by bipropellants every kilogram of weight saved make a major difference.
Reminds me of the Adama maneuver in Battlestar Galactic. If I see the Starship activate an FTL engine, I’ll be shocked..
Well reported. Thanks.
Crazy Stuff.
Well I love it
Good spaceship beautiful low sea very good try next landing in Australia first landing? Next year?
Its going to be so nuts to watch starship get caught after coming back from orbit.
Why did the video end immediately after splashdown, I wanna see what happens after
The newly-released buoy footage had awesome audio, so why wasn't it used here. That's silly.
need a backup PEZ dispenser escape protocol, whereby astronauts get "deployed" like atarlink satellites in emergency, adopting the no part is best part philosophy safety strategy lol
I find it odd that almost all videos of the explosion have been scrubbed from the internet
They should use aerogel as the ablative material
Adama maneuver.
I did a painting of the Adama Maneuver for the show back in the day... Just look up "Jeffrey Stark Adama Maneuver"... That's done by me...... 😁👍
This view is spectacular! I worry though because every time I see these heavy stage boosters and crafts landing they all seem to be just a tiny bit crooked for the final contact. Is this planned ?
EDIT. The little flap could is now the flap that can do! Just say 'in.
Great analysis. Thinking about ISS retirement makes me wonder how much of its contents have a salvage value. How much would you pay for a bit of ISS memorabilia?
I think the biggest problem for this system will be reliability. They just had to abort catching a booster. That's a good idea for safety, but for Super Heavy to make any sense, they can't afford even the reliability similar to the space shuttle (say 99%). When they need 10 refueling attempts for the HLS, then that means a 10% chance of needing at least one extra booster or second stage. And getting that right, without the ability to abort a landing like a plane, and with the explosive nature of a rocket... that's going to be tricky and time consuming.
The accuracy? This footage maybe proves the landing accuracy to be better than a few meters, maybe even more. Not saying that the accuracy can't be in the centimeter range, just that this footage doesn't prove more. If they are smart, and usually they are, the camera on the buoy can move, so the ship can land in a relatively large area and still be on video perfectly fine. In any case, landing accurately is not a new feat for Starship, by now it's quite routine. The bigger question is whether they can achieve the reliability to risk the chopsticks.
🙂
2:10 Prime for “Human Rating”?
Looks like Boba Fett coming in for a landing.
So does the ship just float throughout the ocean and then SpaceX just finds it and pulls it out?
No, they activate the flight termination system and blow it up so that it sinks.
If it doesn't sink on it's own they'll sink it, they had to do that with one of the early F9's when they were doing soft water landing tests, one fell over and broke up but on chunk would not sink and I believe they demo'd it. That was a lot closer to home though, out in the indian ocean I don't know, they might expect wave action and weather to sink it eventually or maybe the FTS charges are used.
@@schrodingerscat1863 Are any of the Raptor engines recovered after it sinks? I can see an adversary wanting to recover those from the bottom of the ocean!
@@Create-The-ImaginableThat's why they blow it up with the fts.
@@Create-The-Imaginable Not so far from the Starship, the Indian ocean is way too deep to mount a salvage operation. They did lift raptors from one of the boosters as that is just off shore. After a short time in salt water the engines would be so corroded and damaged they would likely be useless to a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if they salvage the booster engines again as they are in quite shallow water so it would be possible for competition to be able to get to them quickly.
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Why doesn't it land like it used to before?
It doesn't have landing legs, that's why. This iteration of the starship is expected to be caught by the chopsticks, but the eventual Lunar and Mars mission ships will definitely have landing legs as a necessity of course.
They don't bother with landing legs on the ship and booster for earth missions in order to save weight and increase payload to orbit capacity.
That was just an iterative step to prove the flip and burn landing maneuver for the high altitude hop tests. They'll do at least one more ocean landing like this before trying to catch it like they did the booster.
There won't be legs again until moon/Mars landers. There might be tests of that system on Earth, but the majority of ship returns to Earth will land on the tower except for some flight profiles where they will expend it in the atmosphere to burn up or ditch it in the ocean. Expect a long process with many different iterations and profiles as they optimize the design. We're still a long way from what it will ultimately become.
Yee
Go SpaceX , Amazing what a private company can do. Looking at you NASA 😒
I must say that I'm a bit surprised that both the booster and the starship weren't programed to come to a full stop at the height of the chopsticks. The way they "landed" after flight 6, they would have broken the chopsticks, they would have been falling too fast at the height of the chopsticks.
Im kinda surprised about the sudden FAA cooperation... Is this another extra Trump Effect?
Traditional rockets are close to reaching the limit of their capability. RDE is the next stage in rocketry, all be it not traditional. I wonder when SpaceX will start down that road? Still new forms of space propulsion are need to be developed without the interference of nay sayers pretending that they know better.
Yeah ok...
What does the FAA know about space flight? After seeing NASA's attempts....not much.
(except how to hold SpaceX back)
Great summary video. FYI, it is pronounced "boy", not "Booey". It is from Buoyant, etc.
He doesn't speak with a British English accent and in American English it is indeed pronounced "boo-ee".
Who tf pronounces bouy, “boy”? Lol
Who cares?
Hopefully they can give the ship some actively cooled sides or s full actively cooled heat sheild so the tiles messing with landings is s non issue
I don't know about a full active shield, mostly because of the surface area involved which means more fuel required to transpire.
Look the other way EPA.
Screw the epa
They are locked onto and watching Jaguar commercial re-runs over and over for the next few months, so they will never notice anything else.
@gmarie701 🤣🤣🤣👍
It's spelled buoy and pronounced "boy", not "booey".
Both “boy” and “boo-ee” are correct. The former is the British pronunciation and the latter is the America pronunciation.
@@AnomalyXero Modern American spelling is better than old English spelling.
One of the attributes of progress is spending less time doing something, which means that less keystrokes are required.
Color, flavor, not colour, flavour. There is no need for the letter 'u' since the meaning of the word does not change.
Program instead of programme. There is no need for the letters 'me' at the end of the word.
So from now on, please write in modern English.
Modern American spelling is better than old English spelling.
One of the attributes of progress is spending less time doing something, which means that less keystrokes are required.
Color, flavor, not colour, flavour. There is no need for the letter 'u' since the meaning of the word does not change.
Program instead of programme. There is no need for the letters 'me' at the end of the word.
So from now on, please write in modern English.
@@AnomalyXero It "bobs" in the water like a boy would; it doesn't "booey" in the water!
Hey-ho, Churchill always said we were two nations separated by a common language!
Yup, sending a steel ship to a literal rust planet…great idea
That is probably not pure Stainless Steel, I can see if being some kind of modified meta material that does not rust! Probably classified. It's called 30X and is a proprietary material.
@ doesn’t rust on earth. Things are probably more challenging on an entire planet famous for rust.
All the oxygen on Mars is already bound to the rocks, so nothing can truly rust within a human timescale.
They don’t show the thing blowing up into a billion pieces and scattering crap all over because that would harm the brand. Nothing to see here.
This was staged.
LOL