Focal Clear Review: MG or OG?
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Checking out the Clear OG and MG and we'll talk about how they stack up against the Elex as well.
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There was a period of time where I was quite interested in the Clear MG. I've heard good things about its sound, and I personally think that it is one of the coolest looking headphones I've ever seen.
I have a thing for geo patterns and that one just hit immediately. Its rare that I'm that taken by just the aesthetic of a headphone.
@@badseedtech exactly, I love how it looks on anything else I don't really like those colors but the clear MG look amazing I still couldn't let myself spend that much money on headphones but i still love them.
I appreciate that Brian puts his sponsored ads at the end of the video. For that courtesy, I always stay and watch. Thanks Brian!
Dude this is the best review I’ve seen of the clears, you don’t beat around the bush, yet you still keep it clear and easy to follow. Looking forward to any future audio content you post!
Great video, audio brought me here back in the day. That last shot of the headphones is amazing.
Thank you for another stellar audio review! I agree, I loved my MG Pro's when I owned them. I have never heard the OG version, but had to part ways with the MG Pro for personal reasons. I was a bit surprised on your thoughts on soundstage for them as I felt they were not very wide at all...but I do know they can react differently depending on the amp. So always good to hear different perspectives!
Great review and comparisons, and cool to see more audio reviews! Gotta upgrade my Sundara at some point, right...
Nice review! So glad your doing audio reviews again. Your audio reviews are what got me into this hobby! Keep moving forward Chief! Your the only gaming audiophile I listen to please do more!
Can hear that you got your recording booth/studio area set up properly now!
There don't appear to be any peaks or troughs, sibilance especially is tamed now, and you've got the compression/limiter set up spot on.
Very smooth and natural sounding. Love the work you're doing with your audio 👍
Brian, you amaze me every time with the straight to the point vids! Love to see you back in form my man! Looking forward to that IEM vid. Maybe some budget dac/amps to go along with these? Some new toppings are out
Saw the deal for the clears and I couldn't resist. Got them a week ago and they have absolutely blown me away. Great vid!
Really looking forward to that IEM video my guy!
Great to see ya back with the headset reviews, was wondering if you would review the new Steelseries arctis nova pro or arctis nova pro wireless as I got the Steelseries arctis pro wireless per your recomendation 4 years ago 😁
Awesome review! Glad to know I'm not crazy for liking the MG over the OG. It's just those few extra things it does better than the OG, most notably to my ears the reduction of the metallic timbre, and a more even and warmer tonal balance.
you can fix it by using tube amp
SUPER well shot review! nice to see you talking about audiophile again, helps us newbies not be scared to dip our toes in.
Appreciate you man. You won't even recognize the new space when you see it again.
@@badseedtech cant wait, production is going to be on a whole new level. I can already tell
I have the OG. Loving them! They sound brilliant with my Feliks Echo mkII as well as my Gold Note DS-10 Plus. Also very comfortable to wear.
So, Clear OG over Elex (80 Ohms) for Echo?
dude these and the Hifiman Arya have me TORN. Keep em coming Badseed, also would love to see you stream sometime!
So glad this video answered my question of if I made the right choice going with the Aeon Flow X Open instead of the Elex. Too bad you made me want to try either of the Clears.
Had og 2 years, tried mg many many times I think they got similar sound profile but they reproduce sound differently. I prefer the OG clear but people who prefer more rough sound with more texture might like mg more. I honestly prefer the smoothness of original clears
I spotted the HSK+ on your desk. Really liking mine so far
i just cant take my eye off the hsk+. Great Review! i dont need any more set of cans, but your edits are just so smooth!
Hey Brian. So glad u r reviewing headphones. I watch all your stuff even though keyboards are not my thing. Tgat said they are my sons. As for your question about audio requests: would you ever compare the edition xs v the sundara. One day I will get the Arya’s. But for now, it’s sundara or xs. Another idea would also be madhouse argon’s. Not sure yiu have reviewed those. I’d be curious about your take.
Your description of the Elex is the EXACT reason I moved on from a Stellia and Elegia and traded for an Empyrean. To me the technical capability of the driver and that Focal tuning of emphasizing the upper mid-range just destroys lesser quality recordings. I found myself no longer enjoying listening sessions when the resolution capabilities aren't paired with a tuning that accommodates different types of genre. I do respect Focal headphones, the resolution on the Stellia is bananas, it can also be violently impactful when well driven but ultimately defeats the purpose of why I listen. I couldn't enjoy half my library but between and Empyrean and an Arya I feel like all bases are covered. Appreciate the video ✌️
Great review Brian! So in my journey of the endless rabbit hole known as audio, I've had two Clear MGs and one OG. Yeah... 2...I sold the brown turned around 6 months later and grabbed the pro (red/black). I've since sold the pro and the OG. I love all the Clears, but I traded up to a ZMF Verite.
Your impressions were similar to mine. OG is a wicked bang for buck, but I ever so slightly prefer the smooth nature of the MG. Truthfully, LCD-X was my favorite before venturing into ZMF land, but agree that the weight is just too much.
It's funny, LCD-X was my first venture into the $1k headphone range. Your review you said "I haven't heard Arya, Clear, or 800s, but now I feel like I have to". I had to as well lol... Literally had all of those at some point 😅... I'm so broke!
You should definitely do a review of the focal Celeste there closed back version of the clear!
Glad to see more headphone videos. Personally I don't watch the keyboard videos so it's nice to watch your channel again after a hot minute
Really gonna vary it up going into summer. I just wish the keyboard videos didn’t do considerably better for me than audio.
@@badseedtech that's surprising didn't really know people are very interested in keyboards. Don't really understand the hype over them but I can't really talk since I still look down when I type lol.
Great video content and informative. thanks and stay safe….
Awesome review! I'm looking to move from my Sennheiser HD660s, I'm looking for more bass. What would you recommend?
Enjoying the recent audio-related reviews, you have a great attention to detail. The Focal Clear (OG) is one of the better tuned highly resolving dynamic driver headphones - back when it was like $800-900 I'd say it was a good value. The Elex is...fine...but you're better off with a Senn HD6__ variant, AT ATH-R70x (or I'll concede, the Sundara too but be wary of build quality) IMO. Elex can be modded/tuned to get better balance, though.
Thanks! Luckily, the Clear OH is still right at that price. Probably the best dynamic under $1000. I think that's probably why I'm a little lackluster on the Elex - I expected them to be better than the 6XX and I wouldn't say they're that. Interesting on the R70x - haven't heard that one yet.
@@badseedtech Indeed! The R70x is worth a try, it has pretty good ergonomics/build quality and if I had to describe it in a single phrase, it's basically a Japanese HD600 in terms of tonality/tuning with a bit better bass response and a tad wider perceived 'soundstage'. Cheers!
YOoooo! Thank you so much for this review. I've been eyeing the og clears, and debating which to choose. Refurb clears such a steal tho. Also, I saw Boardzy wearing some og clears
Don’t rely on people just wearing them . He hates them …but also form your own opinion because tastes are probably different
Refurb Clears ARE a steal fr
@@YourCloudyyy oh! didn't know. thanks
I really like my Elex but as you said it can be preference dependent. One thing you said that left me scratching my head was about the pads. The Elex comes stock with Clear pads. Other than color, they’re no different than the ones that come on the Clear.
Well said, I personally own the elex, hd6xx, hd660s and sundara. By far I enjoy the sundara the most for music and especially gaming (fps) for it's detail and clarity.
sell them all and buy Arya ;)
Pro Tip for Focal headphones: get a headband cover ASAP. The suede-like material they use gets gross fast. The earpads are easy to replace but expensive, but the headband is not easy to replace since the material is permanently attached and Focal won't sell you a replacement headband.
Well as all suede and alcantra material it's easy cleanable if you're know what you're doing. This is just another artificial fabric that can be recovered to "new looking" Standart with some good cleaners. Me as a car guy deals with this fabrics a lot and they are all recoverable with the right cleaners and some dedication to detail.
Sure a cover can prevent this but takes the look of it in my opinion so there are other options. Just for info.
Finally a review on my favortite headphones. lets get it!
Listening to this review on my Sundaras and still love them to this day, would be interested to hear your thoughts on them again after having more experience with higher end headphones like these Focals!
Any thoughts on a good 200USD DAC/amp combo to go with the Sundaras? Currently tossing between the Topping DX3 Pro+ and the K5 Pro ESS, also the Zen DAC V2 that you reviewed not too long ago
Love your content as always!
Thanks - these days dac/amp wise - its basically the Zen Dac v2 or Topping
@@badseedtech Appreciate the reply, thank you!
Zen Dac v2. It's nice to have the bass boost button. It doesn't give you "Boomy Thumpy Bass" but it adds a little weight to the Sundaras, which is nice sometimes.
@@RayceManyon00 Noted, will give them a demo as well!
Great review!! Own the 1990 Pro and Clear Prof OG. Both have curbed my headphone addiction. Use the 1990 pro to mix/master and Clear Prof OG for pleasure listening. Both are amazing imho. 1990 Pro definitely has less low end and increased high end clarity to my ears. Can hear every mistake in a master even laptop computer fans. Love the enhanced clarity and is worth the price (best mid tier HP imho). I do recommemd the Prof version Clear OG since you get a second set of pads (not cheap - $200 for free) vs the silver OG. Don't really have issues on either HP (some do) without nit picking. Intrigued by your perceived increase in the high end comment on the MG. Would possibly help in my mixing and give me more low end then the 1990. The MG definitely look better with the new grill design. From the second I experienced the Clear OG I knew I found what I desired in a HP. Adding more icing to the cake without drastically chaning the sound signature sounds like a win. May need to try them out now - bank account hates you.
I need more videos more often, please, please.
My man didn't know you have a second channel... vinyl attack... kudos
Just bought OG today. The timing is impeccable lol. BTW the Elegia is a goddamn amazing closed back for sub 400$.
Nice pickup on the OG. Definitely need to get my hands on the Elegia.
Please review Moondrop Moonriver 2 and how it works with full-size headphones. Seems like a great dac-amp if you don’t need connection options
Im very curious what you are EQing on the LCD X 2021. Bass shelf I'm guessing and maybe more uppermids since you seem to like the clear?
Would love your take on the Arya Stealth!
Likewise. That's one that's come up a lot in the Discord.
@@badseedtech You said your LCD-X requires a lot of EQ, does that include their Reveal+ enabled or no?
Hey Brian! If you like the energy of the Dt1990 and the sundara, check out the Hifiman Xs, would be awesome to hear ur take on it : )
Nice 👍 Do you think Sundara is better than DT 880 - 770 for cinematic music production?
No snippy text on screen when DadSeed said "I'd pull it out every so often"
:<
I also really like how highly you think of the Sundaras! I've been thinking of dipping my toe into the proverbial pool of Planar Magnetic cans and the Sundaras are the first pair that I considered getting; something that is well-reviewed and doesn't break the bank!
where you put the aeon x that you reviewed soo well mi man?
Your voice sounds great dude!
Thanks man!
I have the Clear MG. I love it. Great review.
Do your Focal Clear MG’s sound great even if they are NOT plugged into a dedicated headphone amplifier?
@@spiritualarchitect4276 I really can’t tell the difference as they’re plenty loud on either source.
I love the Clear MG, completely satisfying and took my enjoyment of music to another level. Gaming sounds incredible on it as well.
Do your Focal Clear MG’s sound great even if they are NOT plugged into a dedicated headphone amplifier?
@@spiritualarchitect4276 They do!
@@kwisatz-haderach8 Thanks. Still trying to decide which would be best for me, the $$$Stellia or Clear MG. Seems like an open back headphone would allow too much outside noise to interfere with listening to music.
@@spiritualarchitect4276 Yep. Noise wouldn’t be great with open back headphones like the Focal Clear. Do look into Sony Z1R if you’re looking for high end closed back headphones, they’re great 👍🏻
I had the same experience. Tried the Elex, sold it and got the Clear Pro OG. If you're looking at Focal, skip the Elex and just get the Clear OG. Probably the best dynamic driver headphone for the money.
Another vote for the OG. I personally think they are one of the best headphones you can buy regardless of price.
I personally own them, they are very good dynamic driver headphones, but I prefer my Hifiman Arya regardless that it has cheap build.
Which headphones do you personally use for music? and which for gaming?
The thing with headphones (and in fact all high-end audio) is: you will get less increase of SQ with higher price range. So, on a X - Y scale with X being price and Y being SQ, you will get a flattening line. With a Focal Utopia, costing 3 times as much as a Clear MG, you will only get maybe 3% increase in SQ. I've owned the Clear MG for 2 years now, and absolutely love these cans. The only disappointment is the quality of the ear pads. They wear out pretty quickly, and even some of the stitchings are gone, which - in my opinion - is just not supposed to happen.
I have both the og clear and the lcdx 2021 they are both great, if I had to chose between them I'd take the lcdx, even though the clear sounds great It never wows me like the lcdx does sometimes.
Lighting looks fantastic… do you have a kit link?
Not a current one sadly. Its a really easy setup though that I'll outline in the upcoming studio tour.
You might try some Dekoni fenestrated sheepskin on the Elex, that’s how I like it.
I just got cans, I just got cans, I just got cans.
In all seriousness, the B-roll shots are mesmerizing. Exceptional overview.
I got my Elex when they hit $550 and I had another $50 off from other store buy discounts so I just had to buy them. Sadly they just can not replace the Sennheiser 6xx for me in any way. They are less comfortable due to weighing twice as much, they don't have the same music tonality that I have come to love from the 6XX especially on a tube amp. I do pull them off the shelf from time to time just to see what it is that I don't like about them and I just can not pinpoint it. Though I feel the same way about my Beyerdynamic DT177X GO's as well. Neither of them have been great to me. I own a plethora of $500 and less headphones and the 6XX is always what I seem to reach for. Though I will say that before I got the 6XX I literally wore the pads off of my 58x and I love them still to this day. Also I balanced modded my Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm, and they get probably the second amount of use out of my collection.
Wish I could spend this sorta money on a headset 🤪😛. I’m still more than happy with my X58 Jubilee 🥰🥰. The Focals here definitely have an industrial raw look which I 🫠🤤🤤 over 😇👍
I got a pair of elegias for $360 and they've been my work headphones, they're great IMO for what they are
I have the Focal OG professionals but I just bought the Stellias and they are coming on Tuesday.
Do your Focal Clear MG’s sound great even if they are NOT plugged into a dedicated headphone amplifier?
about to watch this review on my 65 inch 4k tv.
I recommend the topping e50, geshelli j2, or schitt modi multibit with jotenheim or singxer sa1, thats the level of dac amp it needs,ive tried the soncoz dac, liquid spark dac, topping e50, zen dac, jds labs atom amp, asgard 3, singxer sa1, zen dac is probably the best cheap option but the amp isn't that great, and it needs a power supply and 4.4 pentacon to sound its best, without it the bass sound muddy and the highs sound tin and it has 3 firmware that sound different, 7.4 is neutral, 7.4 b is more natural, warm and crisp, 7.4c is brighter and more detailed, its better as a dac, all of this though is pretty subtle hope that help
If I listen to music on my smartphone will it make a difference if I use focal Mg Open-Back and normal Bose headphones.?
If you could choose 1 or 2 open back headphones strictly for movies only, which one would you choose? Im looking at audeze lcd x , focal clear mg professional, hifiman arya organic, hifiman he1000se, sennheiser hd800s, audeze mm500, fostex th900 or th909. I like bass and sub bass so much. Which 2 would you choose? Maybe something i didnt mention? Thanks!
Thanks for the comparison, I can buy both 2nd hand og mg for the same price 500-600€. Do you recommend the og, right?
can you do an updated desk set up ?
I stick to my Bayers 990 pros with my zen Dac/can I never was more satisfied by my experience
I owned the elex and kinda felt the same. I would give them a solid b grade for overall sound and build. It was overall solid in just about everything. I can never figure out the what or why, but it was the fact it just had nothing that made me wanna take off another headphones and put them on. Solid performance and sound, just forgettable. I own the og now and really like it
Thanks for the details B. I've heard from others the Sundara has the widest soundstage of all the headphones right now. Well...by others, I mean one guy but I like that guy. Do you/chat feel this way about the Sundara? I'd like to try it one day especially if it's $300. I gotta get this gaming headset off my head one day for a true pair of cans.
The sundara definitely doesnt have the widest soundstage of all headphones. If you want wide listen to an HD800s. If you want wide and extremely deep try an Arya or and He1000se. There are many headphones that put the sundara to shame in every aspect. But of course they are a lot more expensive.
If you like the FC Clear's now try them on a good tube amp.
Finally some audio! Honestly, at this point I‘m fine with anything audio related, but I have a few suggestions:
Hifiman Edition XS? How does it compare to the Sundaras, which is better for who?
Entry level balanced DACs & Amps (maybe a round-up?)
Because of you I first bought the HD6XX last year and I loved them ever since. Currently I‘m on a JDS Labs Atom+ stack with my DT1990s, but I still whip out the 6XX on a regular basis. I‘m also keen to get a new pair, and I would love to hear your thoughts to inspire me to spend more money.
I'm up for that for SURE. I'm hearing good things about the XS. Entry level dac/amps videos is actually in the works already too 😁
Best bet is to visit a hifi shop to demo as sound is very subjective and everyone has different ears and perceive sound signatures in different ways.
Atom+ stack is going to slay most of your needs, I can't see why you'd need to upgrade unless you have crazy plans. I'd spend the money going bigger budget on your headphones in all honesty.
From the 6XX I'd aim to skip the Edition XS and save up for the Arya or these Focals
@@badseedtech sounds awesome! With so many good budget / entry level options out it is hard to choose for sure. What I was originally referring to was entering the world of balanced gear, something along the lines of the Modius & Magnius and how they stack up to their competitors. (Pun not intended)
So I’m coming from the LCD-X pre 2021. I like the crazy technical capability but the totality sucks without EQ. Do you think the OG clear would be a good option to replace it? I think being a dynamic driver the tonality would be more natural but I’ve heard the technical resolving capability of the clear is pretty good so I’m wondering how good it would be compared to the LCD-X
For sure warmer tonality and option to use tube amp to set it as you like, downside is smaller sound stage, details and clarity is very good
Hi, is the focal mg good for fps gaming? footsteps etc etc
Think you'll ever take a look at ZMF headphones?
By saying you had to eq lcd-x to the moon, did you mean that you couldn't get it to sound decent enough for everything? Been eyeing that headphone, but trying to find about it's weak points, other than the weight of course. I listen to metal and alternative rock mostly.
Nice vid
Have their studio monitors best investment in speakers ive done.
The ifi Zen Air Dac is probably one of the best releases for the budget audiophile crowd. I think that you should make a video but not before telling your buddies about it before they raise the price when all the big reviewers start covering it. (I am also in love with the Tripowin x HBB Olina, but I don't know if that is just because I am not as deep into the IEM world as I am in the headphone space. Very very solid IEM for the price imo.)
Maybe the OG would be more for me because the Clear MG sounded very muted in the highs for me. Coming from an Arya, lcdx-2021 or HD8xx part of the highs were missing, cymbals sounded cut off to me. Maybe those concerns many ears back took their toll on my high frequencies.
My Clear OG highs are not rly worse than Arya's, details are there but Arya has that extra sound stage + really nice bass (tighter). Both are my beauties to be honest lol
Never heard the OG but love the MG - especially on Amps & Sound tube amp.
they shine with tubes, thats right !
Do your Focal Clear MG’s sound great even if they are NOT plugged into a dedicated headphone amplifier?
$599 on sale for the Clear OGs (which I also own)? When and where?
I'd love to find a better set than the DT177X GO for my out and about usage and Focal has always interested me, however as someone who heavily bass EQs I'm hesitant and I've heard the drivers bottom out really early compared to other headphones.
Do you eq the bass up in the dt177x ? I’m looking for a great bass in a closed back
They have very good bass, only few songs can make them clip on high volume, now I have learned to live with them and its just fine. Those drivers are so sensitive that you can lightly blow at them and see them move. Heavy duty bass cans are most likely those with planar drivers at least for me
I prefer thick rubber cables. Sennheisers braded cables are so loud when you turn your head that I can't use their products without finding a non braided cable.
This review is inspired by Joshua. Good job.
I was looking at the Elex, but managed to find a lightly used Clear OG locally for the same price so I jumped on it. Next up is an amp upgrade, and the choices are dizzying.
If you want it to be smoother go ahead and buy tube amp or maybe good class A, I'm planning to buy Burson soloist for my Clear and Arya
YOU WOULD LOVE THE VERITE CLOSED.
You should compare this to the Austrian Audio x-65, at 1/3 the price.
For Gaming?
I own these headphones and I personally find them currently the best BY FAR for my personal preferences in terms of the sound signature (and I really had a lot of headphones). I am looking now a while for a closed back headphone alternative for mobile usage which sound close to the focal clear mg, but I cannot find any :( They sound so gorgeuous "warm" with a spectacular amount if micro details.
This is going to sound kind of crazy.. but I am very curious to see what you would think of the Soundpeats H1 with Comply 500 tips. I know - $100 true wireless buds including the comply tips are absolutely NOTHING like open ear cans. But if you want to find something great to use on the go or at home, I am utterly astounded by these little things, with the additional isolation from the too long comply 500 tips the sound quality compares shockingly well to some of the highest end headphones and IEMs I've ever heard at literally 20x the price, and that includes the Clear OGs.
@@rollozan Im not really a big fan of in ears. For "compact" headphones I own the relatively new Sony "open back" in ear headphones (Sony LinkBuds). And I use those only when I am not alone on the go
anyone try both the Elegias AND the Clear OG? I was disappointed in the bass on my Elegia - wondering if these higher end Focals are any better
So, used Focal Clear over Elex? So, the Elex is 80 Ohms to maybe synergize better with my OTL.
Joshua who? These are THE CRAZIEST visuals for headphones themed UA-cam video I have ever seen… 8:55 holy fuck!!!!
Haha thanks, I appreciate it
Yay another one who likes MG more!
yay headphone videos
Elex is my favorite
Someone else said it but do yourself a favor and pickup a headband cover for the OG Clears asap. I wish I put one on mine day 1, it's not bad but it's no longer pristine. The material is my biggest complaint with these headphones.
As for the ear pads, I didn't even get a year out of mine before trying to wash them. It didn't work and the material got ruined so I wouldn't try that again. I have replacement pads but I would probably factor in yearly pad replacements, if not every 6 months. I don't wear mine daily and they still got thrashed.
It's actually a huge con with these headphones
Studio tour anytime soon?
Yep! Its still not 100% but I’ll be excited to show it off
focal like good dynamic tube amps
Hmm, my CLEAR OG has the short 3.5mm termination whilst the longer cable terminates in a 1/4”. Either someone got a ‘special’ set of cables or there’s a script error. The short 3.5mm - 3.5 mm is useless. I got a longer 3.5mm - 3.5mm with a Beyerdynamic DT770 that was a sixth of the price. No excuse for cheap cables with a expen$I’ve set of cans
The Clear is not all metal. It's astonishing how it has escaped you that the housing (the part that the yokes are connected to) is made of plastic considering how cheap and low quality is feels and looks. The internal part of the headband is also made of plastic, which is prone to snapping.