Fatal Currents - Low Head Dam Presentation

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  • @jaysunbrady
    @jaysunbrady 9 років тому +1392

    I have absolutely no interest in dams or how they work and all that but I watched the whole thing, very well presented and very concise. Thank you.

    • @HeriEystberg
      @HeriEystberg 6 років тому +6

      Ditto!

    • @dirksnolan
      @dirksnolan 6 років тому +35

      I have no dam interest

    • @zekezero12345
      @zekezero12345 6 років тому +13

      Therein lies the beauty of UA-cam.

    • @vaderdudenator1
      @vaderdudenator1 6 років тому +3

      Same.

    • @marilynteed
      @marilynteed 5 років тому +13

      Dams are here and learning about them may save your life. Information is never a bad thing.

  • @rondyechannel1399
    @rondyechannel1399 8 років тому +2004

    I can attest, as a 17 yr. old strong swimmer wearing floatation, I went over a 18" drop created by a gravel dredge line on the Clackamas River in Oregon. I was continually dragged back to the water drop line and pinned on the river bottom. I could crawl forward underwater toward the drop but not against it. Thrusting myself upward I could get a few breaths before once again being dragged under. Once totally exhausted I shed the life jacket to attempt to swim out, only to be dragged to the bottom again. I blacked out but was thrust out of the undertow because I no longer had the additional flotation. Incredible I survived.

    • @pwntwtf
      @pwntwtf 8 років тому +129

      he must have died

    • @rondyechannel1399
      @rondyechannel1399 8 років тому +227

      Possibly, and I am the proof of a parallel universe. In fact after I passed out I saw everyone standing around grieving at my funeral. Also the little blip in the local paper about a teens drowning on Clackamas River. You decide.

    • @a.j.deutsch1792
      @a.j.deutsch1792 7 років тому +26

      Ron Dye Channel, wow, also have you ever had a dream like about a tree house and has 100% sure it's real then go check and it isn't there. I recently had a dream that I had maybe 9 years ago. I literally went outside to check if the house inside a tree was there. It wasn't. Kinda proof that only in dreams can you access a different universe. I don't know I gotta do my reasearch

    • @advancednutritioninc908
      @advancednutritioninc908 7 років тому +64

      how would anyone have proof they ALMOST drowned some time ago?? If he died we would have not heard the story, unless we were a local around that area that that time.

    • @tolga1cool
      @tolga1cool 7 років тому +35

      Johan sigurdson You do realise that what you ask for is stupid? If you don't believe him then go ahead and don't. but how should he be able to prove that?

  • @brendanmazurik9748
    @brendanmazurik9748 8 років тому +912

    I'm not sure how I got here from listening to stand-up comedy but I definitely learned something today.

    • @Phillijr100
      @Phillijr100 7 років тому +4

      Brendan Mazurik 😂

    • @CusterFlux
      @CusterFlux 6 років тому +1

      @21:38 isn't "Flip Lip" pretty much the definition of stand-up?

    • @daveplumley7854
      @daveplumley7854 6 років тому +1

      Probably the voice of the narrator.
      Sounds more like a comedian than a Doctor.

    • @DailyDoseOf_Cancer
      @DailyDoseOf_Cancer 6 років тому

      Same

    • @crillin666
      @crillin666 6 років тому

      Word! I was just watching about railways in china. Time to sleep i think.

  • @ZoniesCoasters
    @ZoniesCoasters 6 років тому +1787

    thats a good dam presentation

  • @KennyLamTravel
    @KennyLamTravel 8 років тому +398

    I will never look at a simple dam the same again... thanks!

    • @Phillijr100
      @Phillijr100 7 років тому +3

      Kenny Lam lol same

    • @georgecarrera18
      @georgecarrera18 5 років тому +5

      It's honestly simple death there dangerous

  • @gates762x6
    @gates762x6 7 років тому +235

    Here in Washington on the Yakima river we have a section that looks exactly like this. It looks so small and simple and I was considering going over it in my kayak so I'm very thankful you made this video. You just might have saved my life.

    • @elonmust7470
      @elonmust7470 3 роки тому +2

      This river is just hours away from Yakima

    • @jamielonsdale3018
      @jamielonsdale3018 3 роки тому +1

      @@elonmust7470 Your point is?

    • @elonmust7470
      @elonmust7470 3 роки тому +14

      @@jamielonsdale3018 You talk to make noise

    • @thefrase7884
      @thefrase7884 3 роки тому

      You should have gone. Thinning of the herd

    • @gates762x6
      @gates762x6 3 роки тому +17

      @@thefrase7884 Sorry bud, god is on my side. I’m sorry you’re life is miserable I hope it gets better.

  • @bookdream
    @bookdream 9 років тому +231

    This is fascinating, and kind of creepy imagining the terror/panic/anguish of the people who have been caught in this being represented by the Ken doll.

    • @donaldmccallum8453
      @donaldmccallum8453 6 місяців тому

      You have that right.

    • @CanadianHorseFace
      @CanadianHorseFace 3 місяці тому +1

      I survived it, by pannicking and swimming. One friend jumped in first from a bridge over the dam and got caught at the the bottom of the dam. Me and another friend jumped to help. It was a giant washing machine. I'm the only one who survived. We were young, 15.

  • @Metal.Machine95
    @Metal.Machine95 9 років тому +265

    my brother in law is a fireman in Harrisburg pa where one of these little deadly waterfalls are on the Susquehanna River. He said if someone dies in one, they won't recover the body because of the risk. They have to wait until it decides to spit it out.

    • @eddiekern
      @eddiekern  9 років тому +84

      (s)AINT Cyanide Ah, Harrisburg is home of the Dock Street Dam. A 1994 news report claims that in the previous 30 year period the dam claimed 17 lives.

    • @a.j.deutsch1792
      @a.j.deutsch1792 7 років тому +27

      Gun Jew, I live by Falls pa and I have to say, the Susquehanna river is not to be messed with. I say if almost gained 100 feet of water

    • @erg0centric
      @erg0centric 7 років тому +7

      Ed Kern although natural in origin, have you looked at the whirlpool rapids near Niagara Falls?

    • @stevenlarratt3638
      @stevenlarratt3638 7 років тому +30

      Here in the uk we tie a line and have an inflatable length of hose that we can feed along the hole, we can feed a firefighter across the base of the structure and have double failsafe plans for protection. In the event of any situation extraction can be made via any bank

    • @BSpinoza210
      @BSpinoza210 6 років тому +8

      This happens on the Bull in south carolina all the time. There's a nasty little terminal hole there that has claimed several lives this year alone.

  • @natalieobman5018
    @natalieobman5018 6 років тому +828

    "Does this occur naturally? Yes! Lets look at an example: my kitchen sink."
    boi

    • @Meanie010
      @Meanie010 6 років тому +97

      Crazy how nature do that.

    • @salvatoreshiggerino6810
      @salvatoreshiggerino6810 6 років тому +102

      I'm more curious about how kitchen sinks occur naturally.

    • @odifyltsaeb8846
      @odifyltsaeb8846 6 років тому +34

      ​@@salvatoreshiggerino6810, a waterfall maybe. A kitchen sink is an approximation of a waterfall.

    • @milanstevic8424
      @milanstevic8424 6 років тому +39

      the movement of the water in the kitchen sink is natural.
      besides, the entire system of tap water is pressurized naturally, by using water towers, or gravitational potential energy.
      there is nothing more natural than that, the only thing that is artificial is just the tap itself (as a man-made metallic fixture), but the whole system is passive in terms of added energy or other hydraulic properties.

    • @KuZiMeiChuan
      @KuZiMeiChuan 6 років тому +8

      You forgot to inhale.

  • @boxhawk5070
    @boxhawk5070 9 років тому +162

    This was both very informative, and a little creepy in how dangerous such innocuous waterfalls are.

    • @robcrowley75
      @robcrowley75 3 роки тому +6

      I live near the Bolton Strid no one has made it out , as result of an accidental fall Ever .

    • @lechatleblanc
      @lechatleblanc 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly... Which is why a dumb sign is not a good enuf thing to prevent deaths!!!!

    • @greenman6141
      @greenman6141 Рік тому

      @@robcrowley75 The Strid is famous and it is especially creepy. It looks like such a little thing....

  • @timecowx
    @timecowx 8 років тому +352

    Interesting presentation, and you are almost out of dish soap.

    • @Pekkhum
      @Pekkhum 7 років тому +4

      Wow... First the phone screenshot battery level curse... Now DISH SOAP! What have you DONE TO ME!!!

    • @wmc540
      @wmc540 6 років тому +7

      6:00

    • @jasontobin2339
      @jasontobin2339 6 років тому +1

      Haha

    • @kylestanley7843
      @kylestanley7843 4 роки тому +3

      I hope he got more dish soap after so many years

  • @georgehaeh4856
    @georgehaeh4856 7 років тому +40

    Nice presentation. White water paddlers learn about drowning machines early on. In Toronto, weirs were put on the Humber and Don rivers after hurricane Hazel in 1954. I can remember two drownings on the Humber and four people and a dog at a weir on the Don. Three more drowned on the Credit River. That dam was blasted. The Don River weir was filled in below the weir and is now an easy run.
    Many of the people drowned after going in the water to rescue their dog. Usually the dog swims out and the owners drown.
    In the spring tree trunks and logs collect in the trough making it real tough to come up for air.
    If you are about to go over, try to jump as far as you can downstream WITHOUT your life jacket; then head for the bottom where the current can take you past the boil.

    • @NoriMori1992
      @NoriMori1992 2 роки тому +1

      How do the dogs make it out?

    • @k9er233
      @k9er233 Рік тому

      @@NoriMori1992 They don't.

  • @oneworld9071
    @oneworld9071 4 роки тому +3

    Despite the fact I was daily swimming 75 yards at 6' depth on one breath, I was literally snagged by the power of a waterfall in the Caribbean. There was NO way out, I was literally locked in to a point about 10' out from the actual falls. Had a local not seen what was happening, I'd be long gone. No feeling like out of steam and sinking when a hand grabs your arm and pulls you out of the tempest.
    The undertow of a perfectly calm river can literally suck you under, too. When growing up I could swim fully clothed across creeks, but came the day when, on the landward side of a pier parallel to shore in about 10' depth, the undertow grabbed me when I was about arm's length from ladder....... it's literally suction downward. My friend spotted what was happening, grabbed a crab net and saved my life. Had I been alone the last of me would have been bubbles......
    Excellent production here....... I worked in stormwater management/storm drains design for years; the detail herewith is really interesting.

  • @davekingpt
    @davekingpt 10 років тому +136

    Very clear, great job.
    I hope you don't mind if I add a few safety points.
    First, the low head dams are the ultimate in "drowning machines" because they usually go from bank to bank with no still water eddy from which to perform a rescue or for the trapped victim to escape.
    On rivers you will often encounter the same kind of currents below rocks or ledges but, usually they do not extend the full width of the river. In many cases the edge of the "hole" turns downstream and if the trapped victim can work across the face of the wave can flush out there.
    When viewed from upstream holes with this "friendly" edge look like a smile. Other holes where the edge is turned upstream will not flush you and viewed from upstream they look like a frown..... whitewater boaters avoid frowning holes.
    In May of 2002 I found myself stuck in a class C hole on the Housatonic River. I was rolling up but, my kayak would get flipped again. I could not escape at the edges so I knew my only way out was DOWN. I pulled my skirt and dove for the bottom, the water passing under the hole flushed me out and downstream.
    Whitewater boaters discuss diving down, balling up and other tactics for escaping holes. Unfortunately, the lay person has not had these discussions and the last thing that will cross their mind in their fear is diving under water.
    BTW, have you considered what happens when the dam is built on an angle to the river rather than perpendicular to the flow?

    • @Redmow51
      @Redmow51 10 років тому +11

      Thanks for that info, davekingpt. I wondered if diving deep or balling up would help get me out of such circumstances. Of course, if I see the boiling water affect, I am going around and not tempting fate.

    • @MrSilverback62
      @MrSilverback62 7 років тому +23

      At the San Marcos, Tx Ice House dam (1973), it happened to me. The foam would not hold me up. I was trapped. Swimming to the bottom and kicking toward the downstream side was the only way out. They have since rebuilt the dam.

    • @complexdevice
      @complexdevice 6 років тому +16

      Second this. These concepts were taught to me early on when i started whitewater kayaking. With even a basic understanding of river reading, your ability to make safe decisions on the water is greatly increased. Having friends who know rescue techniques (throw bags and such), completely eliminate these kinds of accidents.

    • @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT
      @JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT 4 роки тому +9

      @@aBADAasras The skirt is what keeps the kayak tied to your body - in order to escape you need to untie it to release your body.

    • @danbev8542
      @danbev8542 4 роки тому +9

      It’s called a spray skirt. Trust me, if you paddle a river, you need a spray skirt. It fits snuggly around the waist & the bottom fits around the cockpit of the boat.

  • @richgran
    @richgran 7 років тому +132

    I'm glad you used Ken as an example. GI Joe and Barbie will miss him.

    • @Deebz270
      @Deebz270 6 років тому +9

      Ah... But *Action Man* would not have got caught in the entrapment zone... Being a Brit, he'd have clawed his way along the bottom and eventually swam out of danger. Then he'd jump in his Land Rover and head over to Barbies, to give both Ken and 'G.I' Joe a good British pasting!

    • @lukestrawwalker
      @lukestrawwalker 4 роки тому +3

      Should have used Aqua-man... he's familiar with this kind of work LOL:) OL J R:)

  • @Owen_loves_Butters
    @Owen_loves_Butters 4 роки тому +13

    Escaping these is possible but hard and counter intuitive. Life jackets become death vests because they cause you to float up directly into the current that flows back and slams you down. You need to force yourself to stay at the bottom while moving away. Otherwise you’ll just be pulled back into the current. Stay below and move away. Keep the current above you. This can be difficult because it will shoot you up, when that happens you need to swim as hard as possible down and away. You can improve your odds, but you’re still going to be at the mercy of the water.

    • @LopezZeta
      @LopezZeta 6 місяців тому

      Yep, struggling, overexerting and not being able to breathe oxygen, odds are against you.

  • @robertcook7429
    @robertcook7429 7 років тому +99

    Not sure how this got in my recommended box, (I enjoy an engineering video or two, but mostly electrical engineering) but I have to say, this is a really well put together presentation, and also a surprisingly relevant one.
    I do some whitewater kayaking and I have dealt with some "sticky" holes where this same phenomena was occurring, but for those they were always small so worst case scenario you had to swim out and get you boat and paddle later.
    I never really thought that much about where else such a danger might exist. I guess I never took the time to consider the danger of what looks like a relatively low risk water feature. (thankfully I never had to deal with one)
    We see a lot of "research" projects nowadays that seem to lack application, (obviously that is not always a problem) but it is nice to see someone taking the time to both raise awareness and also propose a solution to a problem that can and should be easily fixed but has not been due to lack of awareness.
    Anyway thanks for making this. Also that is a really neat flow channel apparatus.

  • @elizabethoconnor1493
    @elizabethoconnor1493 3 роки тому +2

    Probably one of the most valuable videos on the internet. I'll be looking for these for the rest of my life, and make sure others know too. Excellent pacing and presentation, and the flue demonstration really drove the point home.

  • @whataboutredlorry
    @whataboutredlorry 7 років тому +16

    Demonstration with the ken doll was fantastic, really makes the effects cleae

  • @RWAnglin
    @RWAnglin 7 років тому +41

    I just literally watched the original version of 3:45, very scary stuff. They were out trying to find the body of a firefighter that died the previous day. 2 of them died and 1 made it to shore. Low head dams are no joke.

    • @jim-stacy
      @jim-stacy 6 років тому +14

      that was the scariest bit, you can see the body language of 'oh shit this is fatally bad' when the boat is pulled towards that huge overflow before being sucked under. That'l give me chills whenever i see another low head damn

  • @ThePsiclone
    @ThePsiclone 6 років тому +99

    great, now I'll never run water in my sink and not think "that's a hydraulic jump".

    • @jim-stacy
      @jim-stacy 6 років тому +4

      that made me LOL

    • @abc123lov7
      @abc123lov7 3 роки тому +2

      🌠 the more you know

  • @warefairsoda
    @warefairsoda 6 років тому +17

    As a layman I found much entertainment and educational value in this matter-of-fact academic video presentation.
    I wish more documentary and educational content were still made this way but since video delivery technologies became widely accessible in the mid-90s many production studios influenced control of the market by dictating specific format changes to ensure maximum return from the unproven technology shift of the day. Unfortunately the format changes initially were appealing but quickly proved to be regressive by 'glossing-up' and 'dumbing-down' style content. The format change has contributed somewhat to the demise of independent critical thinking as a cultural byproduct regardless of education background and nowadays we see larger and larger groups engaged in conspiracy theory logic(!) due largely to what they see as presentation of factual information.
    In this age of global information exchange it is ironic that the emphasis on qualitative value of educational content has given way to one of entertainment and presentation value. Now we see this trend more and more in news media, particularly mainstream. Education can be attractive and appeal to a mass audience but only as docudrama storytelling, thereby rendering it moot.
    Anyway, thanks for the informative video; I now know how to avoid drowning in a low head dam.
    Edit: but more importantly I know why it happens...

  • @GeorgeWiman
    @GeorgeWiman 7 років тому +23

    This is how I nearly drowned in the Yakima river in the early '70's My friend thought it was funny, didn't realize what had happened

  • @falcfire3093
    @falcfire3093 7 років тому +2

    Dunno how I keep getting to these kind of videos but I'm glad there's people on youtube actively putting together informative videos on how to not get killed.

  • @BuckeyeStormsProductions
    @BuckeyeStormsProductions 7 років тому +43

    Not sure how this came up on my feed, but glad it did. Two of those deaths shown on that map appear to be at low head dam structures near where my grandparents lived. I remember seeing them as a kid, when we would visit, and being almost instinctively terrified of them. They are deceptively small drops, but I saw (more than once) whole fallen trees get caught in the churn at the bottom, and roll for days, being beat to pieces the whole time. It didn't take much convincing on the part of my parents to steer me far clear of those dams.

  • @mtadams2009
    @mtadams2009 3 роки тому +1

    I am in my 60s and I now understand how lucky I am to be alive. I did a lot of stupid stuff when I was young. Thank you for your efforts and great video.

  • @dhrumansoni7826
    @dhrumansoni7826 3 роки тому +9

    Bruh im studying business and can't watch a single presentation about it without skipping atleast half but still watched this full like I had an exam or something 😂

  • @JPoleet
    @JPoleet 3 роки тому +2

    This is a great video and something I make my rookies watch at the beginning of every white water rafting and kayak season. We are about to start training again in April and I just wanted to let you know I will be showing another group of 12 young guides this video.

  • @Andrewhs022
    @Andrewhs022 8 років тому +7

    Me and my friend got caught in one of these in Missouri near St Louis. We were sucked under in that pool about 4 times (without flotation). It was a rather large waterfall too but I managed to push off the ground at one point and escape. Very terrifying though.

  • @alonelyh6742
    @alonelyh6742 6 років тому +8

    At first why I'm watching this.
    &
    At last thanks God I watched this
    Good job 👍
    This is a lifesaver presentation. I hadn't been that aware.

  • @RealityCheck731
    @RealityCheck731 7 років тому +7

    Excellent video, thank you for sharing. It will be used for training.
    Thanks again, James (Reno Fire Department, Swift water Rescue Team)

  • @doggonemess1
    @doggonemess1 6 років тому +5

    A non-jokey observation - this explains why you sometimes see pieces of trash bobbing and floating at the base of a shallow waterfall without getting washed away. Very interesting!

  • @trapperjohn2462
    @trapperjohn2462 8 років тому +57

    When I was in EMS Rescue we called these dams "drowning machines".

  • @RaindropsBleeding
    @RaindropsBleeding 7 років тому +1

    This taught me a lot about why objects get stuck over a waterfall, it taught me that such a scenario is called a hydraulic jump, and how to recognize the different types. Not only is this really cool, because it helps me understand why certain rapids are more dangerous than others, but it may just save my life someday.
    Thank you for this informative and educational video.

  • @chrisedwards3866
    @chrisedwards3866 7 років тому +10

    This is very impressive and clear research, and beautifully presented.

  • @grumpy1311
    @grumpy1311 3 роки тому

    Because of people taking time to put out good info like this , I am convinced it has helped keep me safer in my small boat on a large local river with such structures present.
    Thank you

  • @atb0007
    @atb0007 10 років тому +6

    this was so clear...i'm gonna use the info in my final year project...all of a sudden hydraulic jump can be understood quite easily

  • @kc4697
    @kc4697 5 років тому +1

    I fell out of our raft on the ocoee river in a hydraulic a few years ago. Like being in a washing machine for 20 seconds until it spit me out. Seriously thought i was gonna die. The formation was literally called "Double Suck." Fascinating video!

  • @Spudst3r
    @Spudst3r 6 років тому +40

    Watching this makes me realize how closely I dodged death during summer tubing...

  • @D1SStRoY
    @D1SStRoY 7 років тому +2

    Are you kidding? This is the best video i've ever seen!!!

  • @foreverallama
    @foreverallama 3 роки тому +3

    Started with Delta P, went on to Mixed connection, toxic result. And now I'm here

  • @Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan
    @Volunteer-per-order_OSullivan 6 років тому +2

    How on earth did I end up here, and why did I watch it all? I must be procrastinating harder than ever before.

  • @666thprayer
    @666thprayer 5 років тому +13

    This would definitely be in the scariest top 5 extreme ways to die, right next to getting buried in an avalanche. Can’t imagine what was going through those poor firefighters heads right before their boat got eaten by the void.

  • @briandevlin5833
    @briandevlin5833 6 років тому

    just came across this video, I am preparing a water safety course for a search and rescue team, great information and video clips, makes understanding easier. I have been a river kayaker for 40 years so do have experience in low head dams.

  • @carmelpule6954
    @carmelpule6954 9 років тому +27

    Brilliant presentation. Congratulations. I have been dealing with flood-water channels and I find it worrying how much people do not know about fluid dynamics. I would suggest that people should know when water is translated and when water is circulated as that is what it is all about. To minimise the study I would suggest that people would learn what happens in fluids moving in pipes or channels where there are quick changes in pipe sections or square diverging or converging sections. In both cases, zones of translation and circulation occurs and this many be extended to understand open channels where air can be sucked in as shown in this video. Really all these dynamics occur in boats and planes and birds around the wings where the tips and the flaps and the slats cause the air to circulate and translate through going from high to lower pressures. Life can be saved if such dynamic functions can be learnt . In the case of water, our vision many help but in the case of air dynamics, one needs to know.
    The other day I saw a video of a light super-fast car overtaking a fast truck with a large trailer behind it. The driver of the super-fast light car was doing very well till he came beside the cabin of the truck where there was a heavy lateral flow of air being displayed by the truck . When this lateral slipstream caught the super-car, it was diverted to the crash barrier and the result was fatal. The truck was not even touched. If that super- sport- racing- light-car driver knew his fluid dynamics, he would have saved his own life, simply by knowing how to slow down at the right position and use his steering wheel to counteract the lateral force due to the " wind the truck created. Thanks for this video.

    • @neurofiedyamato8763
      @neurofiedyamato8763 3 роки тому

      Interesting anecdote but I'm not sure that most people wouldn't be thinking about fluid dynamics when driving a car in a highway. Nor would people be clear headed enough to think about it when they are drowning. This knowledge is useful to avoid dangerous situations well before it actually happens rather than actively counteract them as the situation develops.

    • @donaldmccallum8453
      @donaldmccallum8453 6 місяців тому

      @@neurofiedyamato8763 when it happened to me I instinctively did the right thing, having had this knowledge ahead of time I wouldn't have gone swimming in a bad place in the first place. Still , now that I have it if I ever get caught by one of these low head dams I might well be able to escape it.

  • @JanecShannon
    @JanecShannon 3 роки тому +1

    On the Payette river in Idaho, there's a rapid called "Go Left Or Your Fired" because there's a big bolder in the middle of the river. To the left is a safe rapid, I think the right is one of these (but naturally occurring)

  • @DouglasKubler
    @DouglasKubler 7 років тому +42

    Great educational video. Since the video is almost 4 years old what progress has been made on testing the modified flip-lip?

    • @YensR
      @YensR 7 років тому +11

      Their website is still up, but nothing new after this video :(

    • @fryloc359
      @fryloc359 6 років тому +2

      I was wondering if they put flip lips in the middle of the dam height-wise how would that work? Kinda let the water splash out in all directions?

    • @ricklyons6125
      @ricklyons6125 6 років тому +3

      they have restricted access to the river and the local whitewater community is frustrated.

  • @nlo114
    @nlo114 7 років тому +1

    A brook local to me has a high-level sewer crossing at just below water-level. To protect the pipe, a concrete dam was moulded over it with a steep rising face, narrow flat top and a shallow angle trailing face. At the foot of the trailing face there is a short distance of flat smooth concrete before a second much lower steep rise flat-top and steep trailing face moulded dam. I have noticed that at flow-rates from flood to nearly dry the circulating current is retained in a narrow pool at shallow depth, fixed distance within the confines of the structure between the two dams. There the bubbles are released, with very little air entrainment afterwards. All circulation is kept within that relatively shallow area and there is smooth flow with no scour afterwards. As kids, we used to play in and on the dam with no problems or fear of under-tow.

  • @beckyl2773
    @beckyl2773 Рік тому +4

    Thank you for this video. A work colleague of mine and her best friend recently died whilst canoeing over a weir. They were very experienced. I wanted to understand what could have possibly happened. The Ken doll part of the video is shocking but informative, thank you.

  • @donaldmccallum8453
    @donaldmccallum8453 6 місяців тому +1

    As an 18 year old I had an experience with what I have learned from this presentation to be a Case C hydraulic jump just below a millhouse dam with a sheer drop of about 6 feet during the annual spring melt on the Chippewa river in Mt Pleasent Michigan. Needless to say I had no clue as to the existence of something called a hydraulic jump Myself and 3 other fools were jumping off the dam into the water flowing over the top plank of the dam and letting the current push us to the river bank, repeat numerous times.The last time I jumped I landed closer to the face of the dam and was pushed under by the current. I was able to rise to the top of the jump and grab a breath of air before being pushed to the bottom again. After repeating this cycle abut 4 times I realized that I didn't have any strength left to grab another breath of air. So, realizing that the current down deep was flowing strongly down stream. I let the current push me down again without struggling against it. There was a deep scour basin where the water separated from the jump so I pushed off the direction of that downstream current. That current pulled me along very rapidly and I was pushed to the surface where the depth had decreased to about 18 inches and was pushed into some partially submerged saplings. Totally exhausted as I was by this time, I grabbed on of the saplings and held on for dear life (literally). By that time my buddies were on the dam looking for me and one spotted me in the water. They waded out to me about 4 feet from the bank and after unwrapping my fingers from the sapling pulled me ashore and summoned some help. Needless to say, I am not inclined to jump into fast moving water to this very day. This happened on a warm June day in 1967, and the story ran on the front page of the local newspaper if you are inclined to check the veracity of the tale just told. I am grateful for the publishers of this research because it explains what was happening to me in that river. I am still alive to tell the tale, but no playing in rapid water for me.

  • @joshstafford1120
    @joshstafford1120 8 років тому +47

    good info but swift water teams will not work unless they are sitting on top of it waiting for it to happen just body recovery teams

  • @jmcneil9521
    @jmcneil9521 3 роки тому +1

    Two teenagers passed away sadly on the Farmington in CT a month ago from this circumstance. Very sad for the family. I think of them when I pass through the area..

    • @thefrase7884
      @thefrase7884 3 роки тому

      It’s called thinning of the herd

  • @Organgrinder1010
    @Organgrinder1010 7 років тому +4

    Fine presentation of valuable potentially life-saving information! Thanks!

  • @ThomasKundera
    @ThomasKundera Рік тому +2

    I started kayaking quite young. There was such a dam in the river a few hundred meters below the quiet place we were learning. One of the first thing they teach us was "don't ever think to go there!". And they shown us why. I kayaked several more years, and at a point I was able to quite properly "read" a river, where one could go through where not, where it would be delicate, etc.
    I quit quite a long time ago, and certainly lost a lot, but that kind of beast I spot immediately.
    Several are very nasty: but from some whiteness of the water under the surface, they look very innocent, sometimes just 1 or 2 feet tall, very smooth water surface (only a bit fast)... But disappearing under the surface abruptly at the bottom. One can pass with a kayak if straight without noticing, but if the boat has an angle, of if there is a fall, then, it gonna be hard to get out.
    I was always told that if taken in such thing, to remove the life jacket, and swim to the bottom then go away straight. It may work from the current streams on the schematics, but I never had to try nor anybody I know, better said than done...

  • @doctorfeelucky
    @doctorfeelucky 5 років тому +3

    I was playing with the idea of kayaking over a low head dam. I'm glad I found this video, first.

  • @rogerwilco2
    @rogerwilco2 6 років тому +1

    This reminded me of the fluid dynamics classes I had over 20 years ago. Nice presentation.

  • @Casual-Netizen
    @Casual-Netizen 4 роки тому +5

    That presentation is so dam good.

  • @Cephas049
    @Cephas049 4 роки тому +2

    When you mentioned a Hydraulic Jump, I instantly thought of my kitchen sink, too. Good example.

  • @stevegrooms1142
    @stevegrooms1142 6 років тому +3

    This problem has been publicized in Minnesota, a state with several (possibly many) lowhead dams. It helped me appreciate the danger involved when DNR safety experts described these as "drowning machines." Few things in life are so dangerous while looking so benign.

  • @liampett1313
    @liampett1313 3 роки тому +1

    Every Kayaker needs to watch this video. It's easy enough to get Churned up in calmer water... You end up in one of these during a high flow event and your as good as dead.

  • @samharper242
    @samharper242 8 років тому +99

    It's a shame you built that great scale model of the real dam and then didn't test it in the video! Would have been great to see if it behaved like the real one on the news when scaled down.

    • @Phillijr100
      @Phillijr100 7 років тому +9

      Sam Harper right! I was hoping they would test it

    • @siqxyre8473
      @siqxyre8473 3 роки тому +4

      11:45

    • @ggsilik
      @ggsilik 3 роки тому

      @@siqxyre8473 Sorry, I need to comment so that any time anyone else reacts/responds to this thread, I'll be able to cackle at your comment.

  • @andrewjames2617
    @andrewjames2617 2 роки тому +2

    At first the idea of a drowning machine was horrifying and fascinating since it’s not a subject I was ever familiar with or even aware of until recently. But the more I find out about low head dams and how water flow really works it’s become so much more interesting. Thank goodness there are people out there who are trying to get these dams retrofitted and save lives.

  • @unclewaggy09
    @unclewaggy09 6 років тому +3

    Glad I ended up here after a sleepless night. I definitely learned some interesting facts.

  • @derrickkeating7124
    @derrickkeating7124 2 роки тому

    This is really well done. Very detailed, thorough, and clear. I felt that the part around 13:45 was particularly useful in pointing out indicators of dangerous hydraulics. Thank you for sharing this, and providing the opportunity for the boating community to educate ourselves.

  • @woody40000
    @woody40000 6 років тому +4

    Really interesting video. One factor that I would like to see explored also is the overall shape of the weir (UK word), straight across can be particularly nasty, but curved structures can be better or worse as lateral movement can get you to a weakness in the flow. It is the uniform nature of weirs that often makes them so much more deadly than natural features, which do not often go completely across the river.
    Also another solution which exists already is to have a separate canoe ramp for boat users to use which can just take them right over the weir at a shallow angle with a great deal of horizontal momentum with an escapable hydraulic feature at the bottom, I would also have thought his uses less concrete.

  • @alangrant5684
    @alangrant5684 4 місяці тому

    Before I found this channel I was lazy, depressed, suicidal, and never left my room. Nothing has changed much except I was able to sit up long enough and stay mesmerized by this video from beginning to end. Thank you and good bye.

    • @mjoy4382
      @mjoy4382 22 дні тому

      I can relate. You’re not alone.

  • @AeroRamer
    @AeroRamer 6 років тому +5

    Wow! I got here from watching airplane videos and then clicking on a video about sinkholes. Glad I did. I learned something new that may help me or others to be safe.
    Question is: This was 2013, where are you now, Ed Kern?

  • @WeldinMike27
    @WeldinMike27 5 років тому +1

    Fantastic work. Important lessons for people who come into contact with these conditions.

  • @johnnyllooddte3415
    @johnnyllooddte3415 7 років тому +12

    yea ive been stuck in a few of those in canoes..very dangerous..doc johnny

  • @Ghojh2466
    @Ghojh2466 3 роки тому +2

    When I was a kid, there was this popular swimming spot in San Marcus that had a low head dam that was terrifying at times. I almost drowned when I got caught in the whirlpool then dragged down to the bottom just like shown in the video. Very cool and interesting presentation to someone who knows nothing about dams!

    • @AreaThirteenThirteen
      @AreaThirteenThirteen 3 роки тому +3

      Same here. I was on the Comal River in New Braunfels when I was a kid and they had one of those dams where the water flowed over it but there was a section cut out of one side known as the chute where the water flowed through and not over which created rapids and was where everyone would go through on their tubes, but I went over the part where it flowed over and got knocked off of my tube and remember tumbling around underwater hitting rocks and such not knowing which way was up and out of nowhere someone jerked me up by my arm and more than likely saved my life, luckily the water was shallow enough on the other side where people could stand next to the boil without getting caught in it. I don't know if that dam still exists, it was in a place called Camp Warnecke and that was back in the 70's.

  • @CC-ke5np
    @CC-ke5np 6 років тому +8

    My home-river has two of those spots. One is a few hundred feet below the canoeing clubs boat house.
    The first thing I had learned is that your canoe must be longer than the "roll" in order to cross safely. And the second thing was "when caught, dive deep".
    By actively diving as deep as possible, you get into the current which completely exits downstream. This is not an easy task, especially when dizzy after a few real quick rounds up and down. So the best chance you have the moment you are caught.

  • @LaGuerre19
    @LaGuerre19 6 років тому

    I had a modified flip lip one time when i was visiting Dallas. Good times. But seriously, this presentation is amazing. I don't know how i got here, but i watched the whole dam thing.

  • @rodneysmart9774
    @rodneysmart9774 6 років тому +14

    I saved my friend from one of these when I was a kid. So gnarly.

  • @roblinsjr01
    @roblinsjr01 4 роки тому +1

    Great video. Hydrolic jumps/holes occur frequently in rivers but don’t pose the same risk as dams do because they aren’t even across the entire rive and generally kayakers can exit the sides of the hole.

  • @grahamnelson203
    @grahamnelson203 6 років тому +3

    Thank you. I'll be watching out for boil points when I'm on the river for now on.

  • @fender8421
    @fender8421 6 років тому +1

    I think public education is definitely the most important solution. We try to spread the word in kayaking groups especially among recreational and fishing boaters who otherwise wouldn't know. I feel like swiftwater rescue teams - while important - are more for recovery at that point unless they happen to be on standby when someone goes over, which simply isn't feasible. In the meantime, until we can retrofit, alter, or destroy as many of these as possible, keep spreading the word man! Great video.

  • @BSpinoza210
    @BSpinoza210 6 років тому +5

    This video is very interesting. Kayakers often call these features 'holes' and there are terminal and non-terminal holes.

    • @danielninedorf5502
      @danielninedorf5502 3 роки тому +2

      A kayaker tried to go thru a V canyon in up state New York, spilled, was pinned for weeks until river flow went down and dynamite was able to divert river. It cost local town about $10,000 to recover kayaker body.

  • @DarkPrinceNeo
    @DarkPrinceNeo 2 роки тому +1

    "If a retrofit cost too much, then the structure is unlikely to get retrofitted until problems with public safety have become evident"
    That's a diplomatic way to put it.
    In other words, we'll wait till people get seriously injured or die..
    ..and then depending on the public backlash and amount of news coverage we might do something about it

  • @ninnin8858
    @ninnin8858 9 років тому +63

    Thanks for the presentation, I was considering kayaking for the first time in my local river but not anymore

    • @LemmingRush_
      @LemmingRush_ 8 років тому +21

      +Maquina Caos Kayaking is safe, just look at where youre going to go before you do it. Geting an instructor or something is a good idea too
      Like anything there are risks, but if you take precautions to mitigate them you can do basically anything safely.

    • @ichbins8469
      @ichbins8469 7 років тому +3

      Maquina Caos
      There are also many different ways of kayaking
      Some of them like flat water sprint are 200% safe

    • @erg0centric
      @erg0centric 7 років тому +19

      Ich Bins 200% safe? so in case of death there will be two of you?

    • @ichbins8469
      @ichbins8469 7 років тому +9

      No if you do that sport you will live 2times as long😁

    • @WirelessOctopus
      @WirelessOctopus 7 років тому +4

      Like LemmingRush said, don't let this dissuade you. It's a lot of fun and it's pretty safe. Just plan your routes, and if there is a low head dam or other obstruction portage around it. Better safe than sorry, but don't live under a rock either.

  • @ltr4300
    @ltr4300 6 років тому +2

    When I was young I spent time in NE Colorado, we used to go swimming and tubing in the canals and go down the drops and hang out in the turbulent water there. Seemed to depend how deep/fast it was as to the best way to handle it if you got caught. Sometimes you could just go deep and get under it and pop up downstream. Sometimes swimming back upstream at 45 degrees while it was taking you back into the flow worked. I dunno...my grandpa was an expert swimmer and always told me whatever happens in the water keep calm and try to work with the water, not fight it. I saw the one at 5:00 seemed to have vortex generators on the edge or something. Does that help or just help protect the bottom from scouring or something?

  • @deus_ex_machina_
    @deus_ex_machina_ 5 років тому +3

    This video was the first thing I thought of when I saw Grady's (Practical Engineering) video on low head dams.

  • @npsfam
    @npsfam 6 років тому

    Surprisingly I found myself at this youtube presentation. But it actually turned out to be very informative and interesting presentation. It also educated me such that I and my family will be more attentive to such areas should recreation pose itself.

  • @barski1960thomas
    @barski1960thomas 8 років тому +7

    Excellent presentation. Explained one of my many curiosities. Thank you.

  • @viewerfrom1984
    @viewerfrom1984 Рік тому +1

    In case C, the only possible escape is to swim out at the bottom, hugging the ground. But even in scuba gear that's terrifying. At least then you have the ability to adjust your buoyancy. Seeing that rescue boat without a line out the back (down stream) sent chills up my spine.

  • @nuarius
    @nuarius 6 років тому +9

    today in "shit i had no idea i was interested in learning about"

  • @hamnose
    @hamnose 6 років тому +2

    I'm wondering if it would be a good idea to suggest to people that they try to swim underwater when they come to something like this. It seems to work in gentle rapids. You'd have to react quick. I imagine what happens in these cases is the people get suddenly bounced around violently it disorients them, they are gasping for air due to the sudden exertion and getting big mouthfuls of water even when they come to the surface. Hmm, I don't even know how I got here. Interesting video. Thanks.

  • @EvaldoFerra
    @EvaldoFerra 6 років тому +14

    its happened now at malaysia sept 2018, sad news.

  • @vero0992
    @vero0992 4 роки тому +1

    Yikes. Reminds me of getting held underwater surfing. I was taught to stay calm and reach for green water. I unfortunately don't live close to the ocean anymore, but I'll take this information with me when kayaking in the future. Good stuff.

  • @terrymcdonald7877
    @terrymcdonald7877 4 роки тому +7

    Just watched this whole thing. Don’t know dick about dams but this presentation was great.

  • @markstuckey6639
    @markstuckey6639 5 років тому +1

    In my youth I used to whitewater kayak. The base of these were known as a "slot" and the worst were called "keeper waves". At this point the boat becomes very sluggish and the paddle "dead". This is due to the large amount of air in the water which greatly reduces the buoyancy of the boat and the paddle loses purchase or "bite" of the water.
    I had the misfortune of capsizing in one of these and, the paddle catching between rocks, couldn't roll back up. I ejected from the boat but was tumbled around below the surface. The common advice then was to orient yourself (the brightest part is towards the surface) and try to swim towards the bottom (against instinct, when all you want is a breath of air) and if necessary remove your buoyancy vest to make it easier to sink. Fortunately I remembered this and, swimming to the bottom (I didn't remove my vest), next thing I remember was being dragged and quickly ejected to the side of the river. Fortunately rivers are wider below slots because the turbulence causes lateral erosion, so the bed current usually tends to have quite a lateral current and the river shallows towards the sides. Though there is usually a large upstream current on the surface of the water towards the sides the water is usually shallow.
    Lying on the shingle at the side of the river in the sun (I was glad it was early summer) it took some time for me to recover. My companions expend some effort to recover my boat and while assembling the emergency paddle, my paddle appeared some distance downstream worse for wear but still usable.
    I later worked for the local catchment board and still have a deep love of rivers which are the arteries of the land. But too many people underestimate the power of water.

  • @pip6175
    @pip6175 6 років тому +3

    I will never look at rapids the same again with this information

  • @chandranath2794
    @chandranath2794 3 роки тому

    I don’t know how I got here. But I watched all 23 min and loved it.

  • @ThunderBirdTHS
    @ThunderBirdTHS 9 років тому +13

    Reddit post about Drowning machine led me here. 3-4 videos later... ahh the interwebs

    • @glizzymcguire420
      @glizzymcguire420 3 роки тому +1

      History is repeating itself reddit just brought me here too

    • @stormywatts5907
      @stormywatts5907 3 роки тому +1

      Reddit sent me here with a video of a kid riding a bike over the top and being drag down the spillway into the jump. Don't know if it was a C or not

  • @gr8o2h2o
    @gr8o2h2o 8 років тому +1

    Great overview on hydrodynamics and its affects on different scenarios. Thank you!

  • @atvking535
    @atvking535 7 років тому +8

    14:35 - Is that a Subaru boxer rumble I hear? ;)

  • @beckytsi
    @beckytsi 7 років тому

    Thank you for posting your video. I never learned about the fluid dynamics of these dams until now. Just watched this for educational purposes as I always heard these dams were dangerous, but always attributed it to to high pressure of the water. Great explanation!

  • @alice20001
    @alice20001 9 років тому +35

    @11:50 "His day is now ruined" Come on man, talk about euphemism. Ken "Yeah, so I, like, drowned, so i guess it kinda ruined my day."
    Hahahah Amazing video btw! Congrats dude! You are a credit to human kind.

    • @Prototheria
      @Prototheria 8 років тому +7

      +Eduardo Bogosian It's mormon humor.

    • @bcubed72
      @bcubed72 7 років тому +8

      More like, it's everyone that minimizes death. Pilots "bend metal" or "auger in." Person crashes in an unsurvivable fireball; people say "That'll leave a mark." Rockets undergo "rapid unplanned disassembly."

  • @ChihyiCChen
    @ChihyiCChen 4 роки тому

    Thank you very much for this accurate presentation of fatal currents. I now am deeply more humble in front of the force of mother nature.

  • @learnerlearns
    @learnerlearns 10 років тому +3

    Very clear presentation!

  • @NMA_NoMoreAmmo
    @NMA_NoMoreAmmo 7 років тому +2

    So now when Ken is on the bottom of the river, Barbie gets his car, his house and all his belongings. Happy days :D