Wonderful how clearly Prof. Gemes explains Nietzschean ideas in a simple language. Finally i further understand the concept of sublimation that Schmitt adapts frequently, but i assume he draws more from Freud than Nietzsche. I don't agree with Prof. Gemes hypothesis that liberal democratic societies most optimally produce great geniuses. The ascesis and demonic urge signalize a great pain felt by the genius, the high human. The experience of that inner pain and turmoil is suppressed by our hedonistic, hyperinformational and deflective time. Culture seemingly has degenerated. Where are the great artistic, musical figures? The great authors and poets? The 'Geniuses' that are being produced today are merely ouwardly oriented and excelling superficial freaks, that carry out their job or extroverted hobby to cause spectacular sensations for the masses or compensate their inner nihilism. They moreover fulfil a systemic stabilizing function and are tolerated and encouraged for that.
@@JohannesNiederhauser Do you have by any chance any (critical) reading recommendations on Hannah Arendts reception of Nietzsche and the relation of their thinking? I have been invited to a Symposion of academic Arendt and Nietzsche scholars and am not too familiar with the connection of both thinkers. As a Heidegger 'Expert' you might know one or two things about his more than disciple Arendt, considering Nietzsche your reading is obviously known as very profound. Maybe you know some passages in Nietzsches work that might be worth looking at. Your mentioning of Nietzsches 'Wanderer und sein Schatten' hat mir einen Schatz entborgen. It reminds me strangely of the delirious discussion of Iwan and his devil in Dostojewskis Brothers Kamarasov.
The ones who suffer most greatly from the degenerative liberal-democratic societies, these carriers of a passive nihilism, have the potential to become Nietzschean geniuses in their spiritual combat with their adversary environment. This could ironically be the dialectical sublation of Prof. Gemes thought.
What about this notion (Nietzschean) that European society (and its people) disappear, leaving behind just 30 books that contain the totality of what used to be the European mindset or culture? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW!
Just to flesh out Nietzsche's idea of the Ubermensch ( UM ) some see it as Abraxas ( the Gnostic god of non-duality ) Nietzsche says that God is Dead, but doesn't say he doesn't believe in god, i just noticed some people posting about that, could the UM be a god like that or does Nietzsche not want to be tied down to that kind of solid idea? maybe a syncretic mix of Nihilist and ( Whatever the opposite of Nihilism is ) lets say Faith in Myth ...
Too harsh on Freud at the start, like so many who turn to logicism as an escapist fantasy from the real of nature, as Nietzsche points out in his later works (TI, III:3, III: 5, VII:1, BGE, 3, WP, 579-80). Interesting to hear about the anti-intellectual culture clash growing up here in Australia though 🦘
Genius doesnt mean you're right. Just unbelievably creative (frequently talented in their domain). Being creative is more than being correct. (Correct as mundane) Aiming at the truth is a virtue. Better if interesting and true 19th century - trying to find monistic explanations (against dualistic mins body explanation). Will to power attempt for this but professor doesn't like it. Neitzche - Christianity gave existential meaning against nihilism. Christianity weak people fantasise future world. Revenge against this world. Affirm this world. Christianity also no longer works. All great things bring about their own end. Christianity's will to truth killed god. No longer give us meaning. Next 200 years, lose god then everything permitted even no compassion over others
Ubermensch as a horizon to aim towards. It's not a final destination, Ubermensch then go for another Ubermensch Disenchant world through search for truth (last man doesn't care for meaning). No myths. Creatives map out swathes of areas in the space of reason
Schopenhauer - world not living because suffering. Ought not to be. Pleasure over pain. Neitzche - beauty comes about through suffering. Creativity. Let's not jump to conclusions. Power over oneself (unified people. Criticism, creative people are not unified). Nothing is permitted nothing is denied after God. No normative element to Neitzche. He just values beauty/high culture for himself there is no reason why he explains this should be a force for everyone in the future. Inspire other geniuses as his aim. But also aspirational to all. Embarrassed by nationalism, rise of nationalism 19th century. Low culture move. Less interesting than God. Not creative. (Greater Europe as a response to this to combat antirationalism and antisemiticism).
Wagner - Neitzche also disciple of Wagner, need for myth to fight modernity (influenced by them). Geniuses - one kills one pathet Will to truth Vs need for myth (nationalism, boring myths today). Wagner - need a mythology that presents itself as a mythology (not presented as a truth). Impossible. If it's a story how can it animate you. Story perhaps could work/literature and morality coming from that. Maybe morality from fictions. Myth in progress. Progress to what? Enlightenment ideal - was that really light? Is it dimming? Colonial/imperialism. People naturally naturalist/factionalist/etc. Post ww2 - hard to maintain this optimism.
@@ivancleveland6393 Don't forget Nietzsche adored the archaic Old testament of "such a great style" more than all Asian and European myths, which seemed him to demystifiy the euro-centric progress narrative. Of course he despises the "thin and tamed pets" of modern protestant Christians as he experienced them painfully in his life span.
This interview proves that (professional) INTELLIGENCE does NOT equate to WISDOM. Well, that's alright I suppose. He does have a life left to live... and as the saying goes: _dum spiro, spero_ Maybe he'll WISEN up tomorrow! HC-JAIPUR (10/Nov/2024) .
Finally! I was waiting for this one. Can’t wait to watch it, maybe already tomorrow. Thank you for your great work Johannes 🌷
Thanks Johannes. Lovely to hear this conversation. Particularly I enjoyed the moments of critical exchange.
Wonderful how clearly Prof. Gemes explains Nietzschean ideas in a simple language. Finally i further understand the concept of sublimation that Schmitt adapts frequently, but i assume he draws more from Freud than Nietzsche.
I don't agree with Prof. Gemes hypothesis that liberal democratic societies most optimally produce great geniuses. The ascesis and demonic urge signalize a great pain felt by the genius, the high human. The experience of that inner pain and turmoil is suppressed by our hedonistic, hyperinformational and deflective time. Culture seemingly has degenerated. Where are the great artistic, musical figures? The great authors and poets? The 'Geniuses' that are being produced today are merely ouwardly oriented and excelling superficial freaks, that carry out their job or extroverted hobby to cause spectacular sensations for the masses or compensate their inner nihilism. They moreover fulfil a systemic stabilizing function and are tolerated and encouraged for that.
Thank you for this thoughtful comment.
@@JohannesNiederhauser Do you have by any chance any (critical) reading recommendations on Hannah Arendts reception of Nietzsche and the relation of their thinking? I have been invited to a Symposion of academic Arendt and Nietzsche scholars and am not too familiar with the connection of both thinkers. As a Heidegger 'Expert' you might know one or two things about his more than disciple Arendt, considering Nietzsche your reading is obviously known as very profound. Maybe you know some passages in Nietzsches work that might be worth looking at. Your mentioning of Nietzsches 'Wanderer und sein Schatten' hat mir einen Schatz entborgen. It reminds me strangely of the delirious discussion of Iwan and his devil in Dostojewskis Brothers Kamarasov.
The ones who suffer most greatly from the degenerative liberal-democratic societies, these carriers of a passive nihilism, have the potential to become Nietzschean geniuses in their spiritual combat with their adversary environment. This could ironically be the dialectical sublation of Prof. Gemes thought.
What about this notion (Nietzschean) that European society (and its people) disappear, leaving behind just 30 books that contain the totality of what used to be the European mindset or culture? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW!
Just to flesh out Nietzsche's idea of the Ubermensch ( UM ) some see it as Abraxas ( the Gnostic god of non-duality ) Nietzsche says that God is Dead, but doesn't say he doesn't believe in god, i just noticed some people posting about that, could the UM be a god like that or does Nietzsche not want to be tied down to that kind of solid idea? maybe a syncretic mix of Nihilist and ( Whatever the opposite of Nihilism is ) lets say Faith in Myth ...
52:45 Video game creators will be the greatest artists of the 21st century
Too harsh on Freud at the start, like so many who turn to logicism as an escapist fantasy from the real of nature, as Nietzsche points out in his later works (TI, III:3, III: 5, VII:1, BGE, 3, WP, 579-80). Interesting to hear about the anti-intellectual culture clash growing up here in Australia though 🦘
Genius doesnt mean you're right. Just unbelievably creative (frequently talented in their domain). Being creative is more than being correct. (Correct as mundane)
Aiming at the truth is a virtue. Better if interesting and true
19th century - trying to find monistic explanations (against dualistic mins body explanation). Will to power attempt for this but professor doesn't like it.
Neitzche - Christianity gave existential meaning against nihilism. Christianity weak people fantasise future world. Revenge against this world. Affirm this world. Christianity also no longer works. All great things bring about their own end. Christianity's will to truth killed god. No longer give us meaning. Next 200 years, lose god then everything permitted even no compassion over others
Ubermensch as a horizon to aim towards. It's not a final destination, Ubermensch then go for another Ubermensch
Disenchant world through search for truth (last man doesn't care for meaning). No myths.
Creatives map out swathes of areas in the space of reason
Interesting, too much in pain to do anything devoid of humanity - as a response to life, suffering.
Schopenhauer - world not living because suffering. Ought not to be. Pleasure over pain.
Neitzche - beauty comes about through suffering. Creativity. Let's not jump to conclusions. Power over oneself (unified people. Criticism, creative people are not unified).
Nothing is permitted nothing is denied after God.
No normative element to Neitzche. He just values beauty/high culture for himself there is no reason why he explains this should be a force for everyone in the future. Inspire other geniuses as his aim. But also aspirational to all.
Embarrassed by nationalism, rise of nationalism 19th century. Low culture move. Less interesting than God. Not creative. (Greater Europe as a response to this to combat antirationalism and antisemiticism).
Wagner - Neitzche also disciple of Wagner, need for myth to fight modernity (influenced by them). Geniuses - one kills one pathet
Will to truth Vs need for myth (nationalism, boring myths today).
Wagner - need a mythology that presents itself as a mythology (not presented as a truth). Impossible. If it's a story how can it animate you. Story perhaps could work/literature and morality coming from that. Maybe morality from fictions.
Myth in progress. Progress to what? Enlightenment ideal - was that really light? Is it dimming? Colonial/imperialism. People naturally naturalist/factionalist/etc. Post ww2 - hard to maintain this optimism.
We will all be speaking Chinese in 200 years (G-d willing)
Christianity is dead because the way you are approaching and thinking about Christianity is wrong.
Think more
Sorry sweetie but Mary never gave a literal virgin birth and Jesus never literally turned water into wine
But German Idealism and theorists like Rene Girard do more for Christianity than modern day self proclaimed evangelist "Christians"
@@sudabdjadjgasdajdk3120 May I ask if you’re Protestant?
@@ivancleveland6393 Don't forget Nietzsche adored the archaic Old testament of "such a great style" more than all Asian and European myths, which seemed him to demystifiy the euro-centric progress narrative. Of course he despises the "thin and tamed pets" of modern protestant Christians as he experienced them painfully in his life span.
This interview proves that (professional) INTELLIGENCE does NOT equate to WISDOM.
Well, that's alright I suppose. He does have a life left to live... and as the saying goes: _dum spiro, spero_
Maybe he'll WISEN up tomorrow!
HC-JAIPUR (10/Nov/2024)
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