Indigenous Maths Is Better Than Colonist Maths
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- You’d think maths is maths, right? 2 + 2 = 4, no matter what culture you’re from. Well, Indigenous mathematics is apparently completely different to our western style of maths. And of course, perhaps unsurprisingly to many of you, Western maths is a result of evil colonisation, didn’t you know? As seen on a news article on the ANU website: “Maths has no borders: Professor Rowena Ball brings Indigenous mathematics to ANU”. I find it interesting that a non-Indigenous lady is bringing Indigenous maths to the uni. Wouldn’t that be similar to: “Food has no borders: Professor Ball brings Pakistani food to ANU”? Of course, I’m joking. She’d probably bring kangaroo tail stew.
Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, Indigenous maths! So why are we talking about Indigenous maths? Why is this even being brought up? Well, it’s because Indigenous people are falling behind when it comes to maths. “‘Unacceptable’: Indigenous maths achievement gap under scrutiny”. Basically, the achievement gap between Indigenous and non-Indigenous students continues to widen.
If you take a look at the Australian Government’s ACARA website, they report on the National Assessment Program, NAPLAN results, which take into account Indigeneity. These are the average achievement scores for Year 9 in Numeracy for 2023. You can see that the average score is 567, with boys doing slightly better than girls. However, Indigenous students are scoring significantly worse than their non-Indigenous peers at 491 vs 573 - a more than 80-point difference. Surprisingly, or not, the best performers are those that have a language background other than English. So if you can’t speak English, you do well at maths, if you’re Aboriginal, well for whatever reason, on average you’re doing quite poorly. Surely there’s a societal issue at play here. It’s certainly not from a lack of capability.
Well it didn’t take me long to find the answer. This is the Government’s My School website where you can search for individual schools and their overall performance etc. If we take a look at a school in a low socioeconomic area, Woodridge State High School in Logan for example, we can see that most students are in the bottom quarter of Socio-Educational Advantage. Most students, 69%, are from a non-English speaking background, while 8% of students identify as Indigenous. But what’s most telling, is the attendance levels. Only 17% of Indigenous students attend 90% or more of the time. Noting that only 54% of non-Indigenous students attend 90% of the time, so that’s not particularly good either, but it certainly beats 17%.
If we look at a school in an above-average socioeconomic area, say Kedron State High School, with most students coming from families in the middle and top quarter of Socio-Educational Advantage, there are 3% of students who identify as Indigenous. Again, if we look at attendance levels, although better, Indigenous student attendance is still significantly lower than their non-Indigenous peers, 43% vs 61%. Clearly, one’s ability at maths probably has more to do with how often you attend school than lack of capability or opportunity.
And just out of interest, let’s take a look at a rich school, say Brisbane Girls Grammar, where most people fit into the top quarter. When it comes to Indigenous students, there are none. 0%. So I cannot show you any statistics.
Just before we finish, let’s take a look a real-life example of Aboriginal mathematics at play. This is my favourite Aboriginal Australian, writer Bruce Pascoe. He lives on a farm in Victoria where he grows and harvests traditional Aboriginal food. Apparently, Aboriginal people have been growing and harvesting their own grains for the last 65,000 years, according to SBS. Mr Pascoe claims, “Aboriginal people were the first people in the world to make bread, 15,000 years in advance of the Egyptians”. Wow, I didn’t know that. Consequently, he’s made his own company called Black Duck Foods. For example, at Woolworths or Coles, you can pick up a kilogram of flour for about $1.40. Sounds reasonable. And this is where the Aboriginal maths comes in. At Black Duck foods, you can buy Kangaroo & Spear grass flour for $90 per 250g, which works out to be $360 per kg. It’s an absolute steal! Compared to Coles at $1.40 per kg, 360 divided by $1.40 equals 257 times the price! That’s how Aboriginal maths works. Just inflate the price by hundreds of times.
And that’s why Indigenous maths is so much better than colonial maths.
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Allégro by Emmit Fenn
Indigenous math is being 1% aboriginal but making it 100% of your personality while disregarding your 99% white heritage lmao
Yeah 0.76% counts right ?
No kidding, I’m 3% and “I want everything you have except your job”
4 rocks ×10 sticks = broken window. 😮
truths
For the record they are 4% of the total population
Aboriginal mathematics
Do nothing =get millions 💲
DEI=Didn’t Earn It
Centrelink only uses Aboriginal maths .
Best maths ever 🤑🤑🤑🤑
How to fill and stay on benefits
Millions from who and were they are all poor people?
The most depressing part is knowing this academic is on 200K+ a year to write this masturbatory nonsense.
That's the whole basis for the Indigenous Industry - its tarted in the mid 70's as white academics bullshitting about Indigenous culture to get grants and then telling the indigenous people that their bullshit was their culture.
What's more depressing is Bruce Pascoe got way more than that from the Fed Gov for writing fictional history.
Mind you the indigenous may be right, They go from 0 to $40billion every year, no calculations required!
Yes they are very wealthy people. Idiot 😊
The also go $40 billion to zero, with no results needed.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 Proof ?
@@PrimalEater : Read a book, if that isn't beyond your skill set.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 I read the bible that’s all the book I need.
seriously need a royal commission into universities. cant believe some of the BS they're peddling these days
Definitely
I'd have thought the AMA or the TGA would be top priority...
Can you imagine future generations. I dare say we’ll all be speaking Chinese. 😔
@@cameron6554 When I first saw Idiocracy, I thought it was a bit daft. Now... its the future we're now hurtling towards, but how far away is it?
They're turning humanity against itself with all their BS. Most of them have never held a real job for more than 6 months and just leached off the system.
Bruce wouldn't know much about indigenous maths, he doesn't have an indigenous bone in his body, being the grandson of 4 English immigrants.
Bruce is a communist agitator with a dot painting.
you only have to be accepted into a tribe to be "aboriginal" you don't have to have a single drop. (so you can probably buy your way into a few)
Maybe albino ? nah....
@@ateoforever7434 there are significant indicators for albino, he has none.
@@John-gm8tyOr make up stuff about indigenous farming. Dark Emu is a terrible book but it told people what they wanted to hear.
Here's some more maths.
Step 1: Dumb down the population.
Step 2: Institute dictatorship.
Job done.
If you dumb them down enough, they will be too stupid to question the narrative.
The Australian National University is an embarrassment.
Uni in general has become nothing more than a joke
@@Simoss13 This one is personal for me. I spent a lot of time and money getting a degree from there. Countless hours sitting under the creepy portrait of Manning Clark only to find out he was a fanboy of Lenin
Not sure if it's not really the NAU....National A....University? everyone one is a professor .?
Don’t all politicians have a uni degree? And yet the economy and common sense seem to flounder.
Like most universities it’s a sheltered workshop for leftist ideologues who couldn’t function in the productive economy. Some tried and failed, and retreated to academia; others chose this path all along in preference to exposing themselves to the risk of being found to be useless. Either way, the result is the same - they are paid entirely too well to pontificate over ideas that would, under normal circumstances, die a natural death when exposed to logic and reason.
How do they keep a straight face when pushing this bull-shit on their students!
?
If you can create, discover or develop an area of study for your PHD, and then become an expert you may secure tenure as a professor and then obtain grants to further develop your area. You can also publish articles and text books which can then form the basis of being a consultant to governments and business. The texts may be part of the required or recommended texts for the curriculum. Of course royalties may flow from that.
@@IcWlf Thank you for explaining how much of this cr*p rolls down hills!
Aboriginal maths: Sniffing petrol + sniffing terps = dead.
Pascoe, aboriginal? Absolute bullshit.
By all accounts half Irish. What happened to potato flour?
They are now in a position where they can make up any lie and not be challenged!
Certainly seems that way. How these people are and remain employed to create farcical delusions is beyond me. Some people in this country are doing all the heavy lifting when it comes to adding value and generating wealth - how long can we maintain this burden of blood-sucking free loaders?
The Palestinian narrative that's literally a made up people group from the 60s
Fun fact: Aboriginal number system went up to 5; anything above that was called a mob. Maths exams just got easier at least.
Different tribes had different words for it, but yes generally most tribes would appear to have been able to “count” to 5 with a number system that would include 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 & “more than 5”. That’s barely numeracy much less maths, and there was certainly no evidence of any computational mathematics of any sort.
Only mob is an English word. Even Aboriginal isn't Aboriginal.
I feel sad that native Australian descendants struggle with identity but throwing money at the problem is counterproductive.
@@rctrix9063they damn well known their identity, of only city people like you bothered to go spend 6 months in a remote abbo community....
@@jamesaustralian9829 Grew up in such a place. However I was the one in the tin shack.
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Another scam to make money
Who’s Aboriginal making money ?
Everyone who's not
Indigenous maths hasn't helped Labour to balance the budget.
So much hatred of self and own race, and so much virtue to signal.
1 - do nothing, + 2 -winge about anything, = 3 -expect everything
X dole cheques every fortnight.
Professor Ball should be stripped of her credentials.
Nah! she helped write a thesis on what for it yes here it is "Reactive oxygen species in the emergence of life" Mmmmmm! that will help the worlds Aboriginals get a degree. I looked up her bio Mmmmm! where do I line up for the same pay I have this theory about the "emergence of maths in the culture of ants and their wellbeing".
"Helped write it? did she hold th ink bottle ? polish the pen?
sack labor now! had enough of this BS
Yeah, but don't make the mistake of voting Liberal. Today Liberal and Labor have become different sides of the same bent penny.
@@johnwp111 exactly, but that has been the case for decades. Australia was even more fucked when John Howard was running the show.
@@Sparky_D Really? I don't recall rent, groceries and petrol being as dear as they are now (relative to wages).
@@BowlCrossy The gap was the same as it is now. Howard taxed us with GST then upped medicari to pay for the gun buy back only good thing was immigration stopping the boats.
@@johnwp111it's only a two party system we are all screwed
I love how they don't know that "European Maths" uses Arabic numbers not " Roman Numerals" which might look cool but in reality a really bad for maths.
Hindi numbers. Arabs didn't invent it.
And the roots of it go back to Greeks and Babylonians, which means that We ourselves learnt maths from Other peoples...
They're from India, not from Arabia.
@@mikespearwood3914
Quite right Mate - the Arabs stole / used the system they discovered in India...
European mathematics uses Indian numerals, not Arabic. It was erroneously called Arabic by the Europeans because it was Arab controlled Spain that introduced it into Europe. The Arabs themselves first came into contact with Indian numerals during their bloody conquest of the Ancient Hindu civilisations of India
theyre really good at remembering their centerlink numbers
Recently read a book by Carl Lumholtz a Norwegian Explorer. His book is called Among cannibals, he lived and studied aborigines for 4 years in the 1880's
All known aboriginal languages we're known and translated at that time and the highest number in their languages was 3 and any more than 3 was called many.
Thanks for this information. We are a home schooling family. Thanks to the bullshit that’s being taught in WA schools, including racism towards anyone non indigenous. This will be interesting material to look into. And make it age appropriate if applicable.
There are also old footage of tribes in Australia. And it too speak of the brutality of the race itself. Towards itself. Systemic abuse in aboriginal culture is beyond anyone can imagine. The real life interviews on UA-cam thanks to ABC etc, on aboriginal women being abused in many forms by aboriginal men are beyond words!
Sounds like Carl studied them for many years😂
He also found that twin babies were unacceptable. The 2nd one was killed...
In tens of thousands of years they didn't discover the wheel.... Still running around throwing sticks and rocks at each other.
Nah, pretty sure their concept of maths is going to be BS. 😂
The ball woman has serious mental issues , absolute fantasy nonsense 😂
Grifters be grifting
From a group of people who did not have written word, used the wheel or metallurgy
And you cant tell us its due to a lack of resources
We export alot of iron and have a full mix of ores
As time passes, they'll continue to lie and say they invented the wheel and metallurgy by fabricating the evidence.
These """"professors""" are on what, 150k-200k per year? Thank God we have these people in societally critical roles, and they are so well paid. I don't know what I'd do without indigenous math.
Some of them get a hell of a lot more than that.
To teach bullshit
White guilt knows no bounds.
White guilt? I don’t feel in the slightest degree guilty at all! West is Best!
I went through high school with a handful of indigenous students. I'm not going to say a lot but the deficiency in mathematics knowledge for those particular students had absolutely zero to do with lack of opportunity, lack of teachers, lack of teaching methods or a poor mathematics curriculum.
It has everything to do with a lack of interest and very visible and distinct lack of attendance was sorely evident but the school still had to carry them through.
It's also hereditary capability and intelligence
I worked with a couple of full bloods in a Government dept in the 70s. Lovely people, but they often were allowed to go "walkabout". While we had our pay docked for any absenteeism...
They have lower standards when going through med school too...
My mate was a mathematical genius and radio technician. He states if one has a wire in one hand and a wire in the other and one takes a wire away, then you have a wireless.
Does Senator Katy Gallagher use Indigenous mathematics to calculate Australia's finances?
No she uses them to calculate payouts.
More likely Feminist maths. She's a waste of space and a miserable person to boot.
Yes the payout for Brittany.
And yet....they know how to count 6 (pack),or 24 in a carton....
Acquired with a five finger discount.
Pure racism
A stick of choof, a gallon of petrol, an ounce of glue
@@lappo2534 Rama rama uncle
@@PrimalEaterpure truth hurts
"Non-numerical mathematics" Sounds legit. Hard to have numbers when you have no written language.
Wow thats the best post. Cant beat common sense. Almost like saying chimpanzees count how many bananas there are on a tree for a troop of 20 they didn't. Maths is recent not so called 40,000 years old.
@@topoint Most primitive cultures could only count up to about six. This has nothing to do with intelligence. They simply have nothing in their lives that need counting. It is rare that they have more than six of anything, and even rarer that they need an accurate count. They either have enough, or not enough. Mathematics usually develops when trade and money make counting useful.
@@anordenaryman.7057 they have more than 6 children a lot of the time! Helps with the Centrelink
Sometimes I am really glad that I am already 67 but I feel sorry for the younger generations. I don't feel sorry for the ones who support this BS with
their vote.
I'm in my 80s & CANNOT wait to check out...
The ignorance on display here is truly breathtaking. Mathematics as we know doesn't come from Europe, it has Indian and Middle East origin through ancient Greece. I knew that when I was 12.
European ancestors were living in all those areas in times of old. The demographs back then were different than current times
@@now591 you're talking nonsense and completely irrelevant.
In the 80,s it was 40 ,000 years ,then in the norts it was 60 ,000 years and now its 65 ,000 years of culture.What ground breaking stuff was achieved???Hang on,flour:P
Yep and the new Governor General Sam Mostyn tweeted (which was later deleted) that it was 80,000 years lol 🙄
Now you are starting to understand Indigenous math
In the 70s it was 30 thousand...
Your exactly right. All it proves is that they achieved absolutely nothing over a far greater period of time. However, none of their time periods can be proven.
That was when they built the pyramids and the Great Wall of China
IS THIS WOMAN TAKING MAJIC MUSHROOMS she's off her head
Magic mushrooms don't do that.
Nah! she's been smoking Bruce Pascoe's flour!
Are you suggesting there might be a correlation between attending school and education? Nah that can't be right, the universal language of maths just doesn't incorporate smoke signals and is therefore flawed.
School is indoctrination not education
Aboriginal maths = Digeridoo, grass huts, hand painting, timber sticks, dug out canoes, flint stones etc.
Can't wait to bring these advancements into our society, don't know why we've waited so long.
And you’re better because ?
Modern medicine/health,flight,moon landings,space exploration,science,calculus,writing & record keeping,jurisprudence vs payback/spearing etc etc.
@PrimalEater Because we evolved from savagery and created things cave men didn't.
Are you a fool or just ignorant.
@@PrimalEater because your ability to even ask that question, in writing, over the internet, without consequence is all derivative of western advances
@@timbrandis1151 Space doesn’t exist idiot.
Bruce is a gem, he is the real deal when it comes to story telling 😂
using indigenous maths, Professor Ball is a youthful 24 years old with an IQ of 250+
Thanks for the heads up that the left consider maths as a social science.
My kid failed.. it must be your fault
Nobody is saying that or blaming anyone
@@PrimalEater Plenty of blame flying around. Heard plenty last October.
@@BowlCrossy On TV ? Or this pathetic channel?
@@PrimalEater TV, print, social media... the works. I don't imagine the public would have heard of Thomas Mayo, Marcia Langton, Noel Pearson, etc. otherwise if they weren't currently benefitting from yet vilifying the culture they live in.
The history of mathematics goes back 3,000 BC. At that time, the ancestors of modern Western people were clothed in animal skins. Algebra, for example, is an Arabic invention. The number zero comes from the Asian subcontinent. It seems these university types have been inhaling too much welcome to country smoke.
Virtue signalling Olympics lol
Always a dried up woman. Always.
Bruce Pascoe doesn't look aboriginal to me
06.50 he appears to have blue eyes.
His parents are both Welsh I believe
Thats because he is NOT !
Not even a tiny percentage...
Now you are being racist! He identifies as Aboriginal and therefore using Indigenous math he must be. Otherwise how else is he entitled to all the benefits without any work?
I believe he consistently refuses to be DNA tested
She is apparently educated and bringing her misinformation to universities.
The numeracy and mathematics e use came from a wide range of cultures.
The numbers we use came from Arabic origins, mathematics started in the same place but Greece and may others contributed.
It is far from colonist maths.
Whatever we do we are almost always standing on the shoulders of pioneers that show us the way.
Most cultures have added a lot to the pool of knowledge. Aboriginal cultures took 65k years to add boomerangs, dot paintings, the Woomera, bark canoes, social groupings and a few other things which are awesome in their own right, but 65k years is a long time.
All I can say is: 2+2=4, unless someone is writing a cheque to you, then 2+2=22!
Yes that’s what I do as an Aboriginal. You seem a bit slow on the uptake
Some people provide something for society other people work in education
I note that Ms Ball spells her name wrong, it should be Bull.
We all know that Pascoe is full of Bull so perhaps it's best left there.
Even in the small village I used to live in the Aboriginal kids spent most of their time fishing or roaming the streets which is why they did miserably at school and the parents simply didn't care.
Smoke signals. Wow! Next we'll be hearing they invented the bow and arrow!
BandA is Palestinian how very dare you
Great work, If all hard working whites left Australia how much money would the Government have?
More money because white Australians are lazy
they're already importing your replacements
Oh FFS these people are nuts.
Maths is universal, to say otherwise is stupidity.
Well it was only way to study the universe and how it worked for example newtons laws of phisics were used to discover neptune after they showed irregularites in uranus orbit
literally calculated the exact spot and passed the calculated location to an observatory that found neptune
Thats nuts
some cultures are better than others
Is indigenous maths anything like the maths in 1984 where 2+2 equals whatever the state tells you.
Arabic culture contributed significantly to mathematics including algebra and, as many people may be aware, is the basis of the current ‘western’ number system (the European nations/ kingdoms previously used Roman Numerals). So I’m not sure current mathematics is European but rather a mix of various developments from different cultures including Greece (Pythagoras theorem) Arabic and others.
They seem to get their CentreLink maths pretty right
So my poor grades for maths in school was because of colonial oppression? Where’s my payout then?
I once got minus one for a Maths test. The teacher deducted a mark for "untidy work" . maybe I should've studied aboriginal maths...
@@beachbum433 🤣🤣🤣
Decolonisation of... Maths...
What in the fuck is wrong with out unis..
Maybe they should teach Babylonian maths
Does this woman know anything about maths history? It didn't start with the British.. try centuries ago.. Greeks, Arabic...
I wonder if Pythagoras would agree with Rowena
Wow. And people now think there is a cost of living crisis. Spare a thought for those indigenous people many years ago. Imagine them struggling to buy bread with flour at those prices.
Talk about gouging.
Luckily some competition came along.
So if an indigenous person has 2 sticks and is given another stick. How many sticks does the indigenous person have? Dirty European colonists with filthy maths would say 3. But the sistergirl brotherboys would say huh!
shed for a house + VB + Centrelink= good time
Hang on, you're not making a crazy suggestion that you're not going to be good at school if you don't go to school are you???
School is indoctrination nothing else.
There's no way back now--it's off we go through the black hole whether we like it or not. I thought Idioracy was just a funny movie, but it has turned out to be a more accurate depiction of the future than both Huxley and Orwell
Wow how civilised way back then,what happened, every other nation evolved but yet the aboriginals never did. I wonder..
Equity and equality are not the same.
math is math
similarly, maths is maths
Came for the comments. Wasn't disappointed. Luv ya guys.
So, they have a gripe against the Babylonians and Euclid? Can I see their working out?
Is it just me or are females leading 90% of this?
Stunning and brave … 😂
When i was in high school we started with a number of Aboriginal students in year 8. By year 9 most of them had stopped attending and by year 10 I don't remember any of them still attending. I'm sure that's the white mans fault somehow though....
Dang whitey, messed everything up. In todays maths lesson, boys, girls and otters, we will be counting 'reparations'.
What a joke, nothing else can be said about this. Professor, what a joke
Knowledges? "Knowledge is an uncountable noun and is not used in the plural. You say: He has a lot of technical knowledge. ✗Don't say: He has a lot of technical knowledges." So, she is a Professor eh?
Musta learned that on country.
I know few first nations folk who know any of their traditional knowledge.
Which tribe's maths would they adopt and how would explain the tribal bias?
A load of bull!!! No maths...just billions
1 witchety grub plus 1 goanna plus 1 wallaby,equals a Buffett.
It must be awesome, just look at how before white man they were such great engineers, oh hang on
Digeridoos and Boomerangs shaped the world today. How ever would we of performed space travel without them?
They built the pyramids
And thought up the wheel...@@craigwhitelaw1481
This takes aboriginal heritage to a new Low! I have never heard so much garbage in my life. The university professor should be removed from her position due to incompetence. As for smoke going a different way equals mathematics, WTF! One thing the aboriginal industry has down pat is the mathematics of 'excuses'!
Cave man can't do 2+2=4 too hard. must change the entire scientific system.
Well... I guess that age old question 'what is the square root of big mobs?' is about to be answered! 🤣
Is this a joke
No idea what that professor is talking about. Didn’t we cede maths to Asia decades ago? They’re not going to accept smoke signals as maths in China and India.
Never in the field of human welfare has so much been given by so many to so few.
The gods are crazy
Several decades ago when I was nursing, I had an indigenous patient who claimed to be "King of the Aborigines". He taught me how to count in Aboriginal mathematics: One, two, many, and many-many. And that was all there was to it.
$400 a kg for flour is a bargain.
Think of all the non Indigenous booze he can buy. Indigenous math
It''s not flour it's smoking weed at that price.
Ah yes indigenous mathematics is so much better. 60,000 years or so of never having left the stone age prior to colonisation....such a progressive culture. Now don't get me wrong, there is no issue with being proud of one's indigenous Australian heritage (I would even encourage such pride), but to suggest that it is in any way equal, let alone superior, to western cultures and their technological progress such as in mathematics is absurd (and that's before we even take into consideration the commensurate technological advancements, including mathematics and science, of other cultures such as those in Asia or the Middle East from which western advancement also benefited).
How do they know it was 60,000 years ago? they didn't have a written nor educational system other than words handed down and that is like Chinese Whispers.
@@blackprince4074 They didn't know themselves, at least from a scientific timescale perspective. Irony is that if it wasn't for scientific discovery originating from other cultures, all they'd know is it was a 'long time'.
I didn't do well in math, many years ago now, but even to me that sounds odd.
The great thing about mathematics is that there is one correct answer (which might include multiple “solutions”) to each and every problem.
The “western” mathematics we study was developed by Greeks, Italians, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, Germans, English.. and plenty of others.
If you think the maths is wrong, prove it!
Mr. Pascoe is in fact a genius; a business genius
Western Math as in Persian math with 0 and Algebra
So.......
If I pulse the smoke waves from right to left signalling 'black men are coming,' I'm simply using non numerical mathematics, chiral signalling technology, something indigenous societies excel at.
Perhaps someone should pass this information onto people living in Alice Springs.
It’s all smoke and mirrors.
Maybe they should stop lumping the "Indigenous" into their own group, and just treat them like everyone else? Just a thought!
Standards are dropping across every area of society. Meritocracy is a thing of the past.
April fools 😂. Caught you all believing this horsesh*t didn't she. Playing everyone for suckers and getting paid for it. One smart women.
The ABC and Albo in Australia think alike.
Who remembers the add in the 80s" Tell em right story, gonna get em right money"