Recently I watched a video from AudioPilz on why he doesn't use modular synths (check link in description). A quite entertaining video, but I don't agree with some of his points. 😆🤣😂😉
@@justrichardcharlesI tried to read the memes on 2nd watch through but they're on for less than a second so I use the "jump back 10 seconds" on UA-cam and find that I've skipped backwards over 5 memes. Seems to average a meme every 2 seconds for that video. 😂
ALSO about the Hardware, paying thousands another thing is that there hardwired you can swop around how the synth makes / modulates sound etc its fixed. where as for half the price you could get enough modules and easily explore more in different ways to express. You could even select your favourite kind of filter, style of vco/fm/wavetable and many sequencer options etc its mind blowing you can literally custom to your liking. I recently bought a Pro One style Curtis filter for modular that alone for me is incredible to incorporate with my other favourite modules.
I own a modular rig...it's fun ,but Florian was right about everything. More importantly, he doesn't take himself seriously at all. It was supposed to be fun and entertaining
Great video as always. I appreciate your very nice, polite disagreement here! I really like the point about modular actually being more affordable. Never realized that for those of us that don't have a lot of savings, modular actually becomes more accessible. Great point! Also, I just want to say that I admire your ability to cleanly articulate a point for so long without a million chops. If I talk for more than a minute, I have to chop it up, otherwise it will just be an incoherent adhd mess. Cheers!
Thanks for your kind words. It doesn't always work out that way. I have a collection of outtakes that mainly consist of me staring into space wondering what to say, 🤣🤣🤣
The problem I have with modular music is that it’s so cumbersome to progress a piece through different ‘scenes’. The eternal modular jam is now so predominant on YT that I soon switch off as there’s so little movement and excitement and dare I say, musicality which is what keeps the ears and mind interested
I tried to solve this problem with a nerdseq... yeah don't bother, the UI is gash. You cant even access all the CV of the CV module from its own channel (you can only sequence 6 out of 16, the rest you have to access through some convoluted technique, which of course limits how you can use those CVs), its ridiculous. There more nonsense, but yeah i wont go there now.Yet it i still the most powerful sequncer wihtin euro.
Without sounding to esoteric I find modular just has a power, energy and immediacy that I can't experience with regular gear or a daw, like tweaking a simple baseline on nano rings for three minutes is more exciting sounding than a well planned song on abelton.
Well said. I bought an 84 hp nifty case because I was interested in incorporating a modular synth into my existing DAW/synth collection. That one small case quickly got way more interesting and creative than all of the other gear. Never looked back and have sold most of my old stuff to pursue modular.
@@frederickaloysiuspalowaski149 Same here, I'm basically down to eurorack and Ableton, I don't even use midi I just use Live like a tape machine for my modules which are rapidly shrinking my bank account 😂
@dontcallmejon haha yes ,same here, logic has become just a recording tool, I will use a bit of post processing on my stuff with it but that's the extent of a once mighty and busy system. Working with modular is vastly different and, in my humble opinion, more rewarding than traditional synth setups. It goes to places hard-wired synths just can't.
To me, the beauty of modular is its limitations. Like in a DAW, everything is saved and I can work on a song, fixing and fine-tuning it, for months or years. It's so efficient. In the modular world, everything is a live performance. An improv jam. When I record my music/noise, it's all live with no overdubs or multi-tracking. It's a performance. I love modular. I also love @AudioPilz. And I love you, Richard.
You didn't say how much would it costs to recreate a polybrute in modular tho. Also you compared the price of modular with top tier synths with great keyboards erc. There are a lot of synths under 1k that blows the average modular out of the water, things like hydrasynth explorer, minifreak, korg modwave, opsix, wavestate and many more. I'm a modularist and I love modular, but no, eurorack is not as convenient as hardware synths and it's defintely more expensive. Yes, you can make your own fancy monosynth for 500$ but you won't be able to make an Hydrasynth explorer or a Minifreak in modular for the same price and not even for twice the price. Last but not least, hardware is progressing, things like the uno synth pro would cost 1k to recreate in hardware. My point is, where eurorack wins is in personalization, there's no need to try to build other arguments in its defence just because we love it. It's going to lose in every department: price, convenience, replicability of sounds.
That's a fair point, and I do agree with you. I think they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. They are different ways of approaching music making and work flow. Yes modular is always going to be expensive, but I think the point I was trying to make was that it is possible to spend a lot of money whatever route you take. Potentially modular can be a little more accessible if you build it over time rather than outlay the cash in one go. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile making a modular version of a polybrute, it probably would cost way more, but what would be the point? You could just buy a polybrute instead. Ultimately you spend your money on whatever system works best for you and what you want from it. 😊
I love the comparison to modular being like a little orchestra. I've been thinking of it for quite a while now as a sound exploration setup where I can be composer, orchestrator, arranger, and conductor all at once.
I enjoyed his rant, which really needs to be taken with a hint of sarcasm. Nobody I know at work thinks any synth music is cool, and he would be instantly lumped in with the rest of us 😅
Every time i hear someone talk about their modular setups i get the same vibes as when people talk about their gambling addictions, 'I can stop any time, it's not a problem, it doesn't cost that much' etc
Great sentiments expressed here and very pertinent too imho. I am a humble guitarist who just wanted additional ambient backing tracks and fx for my home studio. The peddle board and additional pad synth cost would have been comparable to that of my current modular build. So the point made about the cost factor is duly noted. Also, growing your sound over time is a significant step as opposed to a large initial outlay with just one main synth component. I have spent hours researching and working out what modules to add to my setup which is invaluable and a key part of the design process I think. Finally, I would be remiss to leave out the pure joy of a "happy accident" or unexpected rift found at the end of a patch. Its simply wayyy more fun than just noodling on my guitar to get an interesting rift going and definitely a more creative process when using the rack with all the CV options available. I have 3 boxes at the moment...a tiny DIY 30HP, a Nifty Case and a Behringer 104HP. Controversial, but Behringer has allowed many struggling artists (like myself) to explore this world with their recent clones. So, is modular expensive and time-consuming? YES! But so is the rest of the dawless industry.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your experience. There are so many positives with modular that I think it's really worth the effort and outlay required to get into it. Once you get over the first few hurdles it gets easier and it's not long before you can be making some interesting sounds. As for behringer, like you say, they really are the heroes to people who want to get into this thing and don't have lots of spare cash. I remember the early behringer days when they just made cheap plastic guitar pedals (or at least that's what I remember). They've come a long way since.
Yeah this is basically how I came to modular as well. Still new to the hobby and already I've been able to compose parts I never would have dreamed of coming up with just riffing on my guitar. It's gasoline for the creative fire.
Yeah, I’m yet another guitarist who’s gone modular. My synth has been setup to play as a guitar, which is something I can’t do with a muse or a sub37 (even though they do arguably sound a lot better than my rig!)
The other thing about cost is that I've never met a synthesizer guy with just one synth. They all have a half-dozen or more, ranging from a few hundred to a few thousand per synth.
I do love the idea of modular as Lego. I often describe it that way to people. Except instead of making the thing in the picture on the front of the box, you can make whatever you want.
AudioPilz is right, and you are right, too... I enjoy modular, but I also agree with most of what AudioPilz says. It's my quirky and nerdy little obsession. I just don't understand why everyone else is doing it, too... 😁
It's interesting that the focus of Eurorack is to make some kind of synthesizer with it. My approach was to make it more of a modular effects unit with complex rhythmic elements. The disadvantage is that there are not many stereo modules.
I’d love to see a cost comparison between a modular skiff and a synth like the DSI Pro2 or Polybrute. Dare I say it would be 2-4 times more expensive and would take up much more space. Hence the reason why I struggle to make the jump to modular like many others have
Modular gives you a reality check... you can't have it all (at least most of us can't). You HAVE to be specific and straightforward with your expectations... I actually like that about it because it forces you to simplify your workflow (modules are space and money, it's up to you to decide what really matters and get to the point with as little as possible!!). Another thing that is worth the extra bucks (IMO) > to have a "studio in a suitcase" that you can travel with... And one power cable too.
Richard, thank you .. sometimes detracting on something, that many people hold in higher regard .. can be done, at least in part, for the attention. I don't envy anyone who can purchase a huge collection of modules, all at once, that are all new to that buyer. It could drive a person mad. But, in the collecting of one, or so, at a time .. stretching out the learning cycle(s) .. that's still a healthy mental load. Time will tell .. but, it seems like what's been marketed, in the last 5 to 7 years, module-wise, could be useful, for some time to come. The newer things that I've seen anyway, in instances, are the rehashing older techniques, or merging older techniques. Which isn't bad, .. if it makes patching easier, .. that's a plus, in itself. And, like you said .. following the signal traces, .. watching the lights .. it can be a special delight.
I really wanted to get into modular, but I think one thing that no one ever talked about is that the cost for audio-cables can add up really quickly & there is a saying in electronics, that every cable is a potential error source. Furthermore you have to tune every Oscillator & depending on the size of the system I think can be super annoying. Also analog circuits can have heat instabilities which make those not reliable & going for digital modules is a bit redundant in my opinion, when you already have software synths. One arguement I heard a lot is that you can do certain things with modular that you can´t do with normal synths (e.g. use a mixer for mixing cv signals). But comparing this to Xfer Serum for example, I don´t really get where difference is between using a mixer in modular or dragging several diffrent modulators to the same in Serum knob & adjusting their modrange. Furthermore the comparison for the overall cost factor is a bit missleading in my opinion as the mentioned synths are all super limited in their functions. e. g. Serum is around 200$ I think. For that price you don´t even get a single wavetable oscillator. This comment is not intended to offend anyone, but rather raise some attention to the technical hurdles that can come with modular, which no one really talks about. So if you already have a DAW & a software synth like Serum, Phase Plant or any other compareable software synth I think modular won´t give you any "real" benefit. But if you want to it anyway & you can affort it, I just say go for it ;) ~Cheers~
Hey, Thanks for the comment! All valid points I would say. And yes cables are a hidden cost. I guess a bit like guitar strings if you play guitar. I think the main thing with modular though, is that it's just a very different approach to workflow and if that suits you then you will get great results. It's not for everyone, nor should it be. There are a lot of quirks and annoyances that's for sure. But I can hand on heart say I don't think I would be making the music I am (or much music for that matter) if I had not discovered a way of working with modular that totally suited me and that I'm satisfied with. I've tried using software and I've also played in a lot of bands over the years, but nothing comes close to what I've found with modular. That being said cables can be a pain at times, and not just the cost. Having them strewn about the place is also an annoyance. I really should try and be a bit tidier with them. In the end though, we all gotta find our own path. I wish you the very best of luck and success 😊🙏🖖
@justrichardcharles yeah, if it works, it works...I guess in the end it is all about what makes us happy & what we enjoy doing...that being said, software definetely has some drawbacks too. I think a healthy way to look at it, is that once we found a workflow that works for us we should stick with it and not change it up (learned this the hard way)
I have largely been anti-modular (Eurorack, 5U etc.) in the past because I see how our desires get ahead of our actual productions. When I got into synthesizers I did not understand electronics. I was traditionally trained with MIDI and digital synths in the 1990s so I had no issues putting together the studio of my dreams. I went with semi-modular Behringer and Moog instead of Eurorack. And then I started actually studying electronics and electrical engineering. I started building my own circuits and devices. With this knowledge and skill, building Eurorack modules and cases suddenly becomes PRACTICAL. There exists an entire OTHER community of Eurorack enthusiasts that DIY most of their gear, and they can also supplement their expenses by building modules for other users. Modular CAN be a serious money sink but it can also be the cheapest way to achieve the studio (well ... noise makers!!) of your dreams provided you can INVEST the necessary time (and money) to learn. Even in terms of just using and caring for purchases commercial modules and synthesizers I feel much more confident in using them with this knowledge (understanding the functions of voltage versus the functions of current and just power in general). Cheers!
The DIY side of eurorack is something I've yet to explore. It is very tempting because of the relative cheapness of kits. Just not sure my soldering skills are up to it!
I went from pedals to noise boxes to modular. The pipeline is real! As far as addiction goes there are tons of modules that I’d like to spend time with but as you said once you’ve got the parts you need it kanda slows down.
Lovely video and you have a great vibe! I would love to one day have a modular system. I do struggle with pricing, efficiency and portability. With those factors in mind, the Dreadbox Typhon "checks all the boxes." At $3-500 you have a super phat analog 2-oscillator monosynth with high quality effects and a step sequencer, and a whole bag of smart capabilities like 4 envelopes or 3 LFOS or 3 step sequencers all dedicated to 32 modulation targets - and 250 preset banks - and stereo 1/4" output. Not to mention it can be carried with one hand. I would be very curious to know what you'd think of it as a member of your orchestra.
Hey thanks for the comment! The Dreadbox Typhon does look like a very cool and capable synth. I've had similar synths over the years (small desktop form factor) and have used to varying degrees. However, I've sold all of them now. Not because I didn't like them, but mainly because of lack of use. I just sold the last one quite recently which was Twisted Electrons MegaFM. A really cool synth, but it was just sat on my desk gathering dust. The main reason being that it didn't integrate well with eurorack. Even though it was sat on my desk in front of my modular case, because I couldn't patch in and out of it I kind of just forgot it was there. There were occasions when I would force myself to use it but the process of using it kind of sat outside the modular workflow which just meant it was more effort. In contrast, the behringer 2600 works quite well with my eurorack system (not perfectly as voltages are a bit higher on B2600) and so gets used a lot more. There are a couple of other small behringer synths I've been looking at such as the Edge, mainly because there is CV patchability so it should integrate pretty well.
@@justrichardcharles yes I think if your modular system is so full of capabilities then it will be your constant channel, and other single devices will be limited in comparison, not to mention not integrated. For those who need efficiency in cost, offerings and portability, though, the market offers cheaper and like you said capable synths like the Typhon or MegaFM. The Edge looks very interesting, a MicroFreak with CV! Let's see when it actually ships!
I'm a few mins into the video, just want to say yes it can be expensive but you buying into a whole creative world, i honestly separate it from synths and more like Lego you literally are given the pieces to do what tho wilt and given modules and a few Modulators one can go absolutely wild in synth world you could even imagine on a hardwired synth. They are also expensive because alot of the companies hand build ! and most companies use quality components .. it not like your paying for shit. I recommend every musician to atleast try modular as its a very magical unique approach to music making endless happy accidents that sometimes also make the main some of a new track etc. So far very cool response, cheers !
Used mixer cases make perfect 12u modular cases and are quite inexpensive; the only thing you have to sort out is rails and power supply (Tiptop’s Happy Ending kits make perfect sense in this regard) 😊
I've actually just done this very thing to mount a row of modules under my behringer 2600. It's not a case though just a 19" rack stand. Need to get a mixer case though for transportation purposes
modular is expensive (but its super rewarding as long as you use it, dont get into this unless you are using your gear... scoring movies, doing sound design... producing for artists that this works for etc) new instruments take time, totally agree I would recommend not buying a huge already built thing... build your own as best you can, and have direction modular is cool, ive been on a date and the girl asks what i do, and I kinda explain it briefly, and if they are interesting i show them and have them turn knobs and its a super fun time, id think if a a potential partner doesnt find my hobbies interesting I probably wouldnt last long with them...
I'm a weirdo who watches modular from afar. I'd like to get into it, but honestly feel the learning curve is so high, and I'd take so many wrong turns along the way that it scares me. So I've wound up with some 'all in one' modulars like the Voltage Lab II and the Syntrx. So it was an interesting take to hear that. you feel it's more affordable, just because you can piece it together bit by bit.
Hey, thanks for the comment. It can be daunting, but VCV is great if you want to dip your toes in a bit further without forking out any cash. I think slowly is the best approach when it comes to learning and building a system.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. The most important decision is that you have chosen to make music! Especially electronic music...
I started with a 100 euro case, a cheap Plaits clone and a Keystep, which has CV and Gate. All bought second hand, and that was enough to get started. Then got a Pamela's New Workout and started expanding from there. There's definitely a learning curve but if you go slow it's totally manageable. With only Pam's and Plaits you can already make some insane stuff.
I'll second the vcv rack recommendation. I've spent countless hours absorbed in tinkering with patches in that software over the past 4 years or so, as a total newcomer to making music. Now I almost enjoy patching more than playing.
Modular synthesizers are for people who take a perfectly good mono synth, and then drill holes in it and chop the circuit to get more sounds out of it, as I did with my first synth, a Yamaha CS-15. When one is that desperate and determined to get more sounds, then modular is the only way to go at some point. Think about what music you want to make, and let your music guide your purchase of modules. All synths have a $$ price, and all instruments will take time. Instruments take some time to learn. That's just the nature of maturing with something. The most important thing is, though, to find something that works for you to produce music. And if somebody exclaims, "All you're doing is producing bleeps and fart sounds!" just pause, play some modern classical music, and then compare the two. You will find much in common.
why not make my own tableware. it is quite easy really. clay is cheap. if you don't have a spin plate, don't worry. you can use any board and go from there. maybe extend and eventually get your own oven. there's a lot of different ways to learn glazing and some glazes are quite affordable. maybe you have local acess to other workshops and can make better plates. there's a lot of ressources for free online also. if you think about it, you already have everything you need. except time. and money. and plates that are a million times better are actually affordable. and about 99 other priorities in life. but that's not the point. to do something from interest and passion is the point, regardless of the outcome or usability in a wider commercial sense. fuck purpose. just do stuff because it plucks your heartstrings.
Love Bad Gear and think there’s always a wink and a nod built into every video. Yes modular costs money but I feel like every video I see from an electronic musician has racks of synths that all cost money too. Everyone gets GAS. I would throw out that, in the long run, modular might be MORE cost effective due to the flexibility it offers compared to a traditional synth… of course I’m already part of the cult soooooooo… 😂😂😂
I do find his show quite entertaining, and more so when it's something I actually own too. GAS is unavoidable really, unless you have no money at all to buy anything. But once you step inside, it's just a case of seeing how far the rabbit hole goes. 😂😂
@@justrichardcharles ya gotta love when he busts out the final "vaporwave acid jazz trip hop electro lounge up tempo down beat trance dance dubstep ambient" final jam. It's always worth the watch just for the groovy sounds and graphics. Thanks for keeping modular content alive on UA-cam!
I think he's going or about to go modular. Florian been slyly hating on it for a while now, but he's really turning it up a notch.... he's just grumpy that the bug has actually bitten him.
Why would I use modular synths when I can design my own synths using circuits from Erica Synths and Daisy Seed? The classic filters are out there like the Korg MS20's and Moog ladder filters
I use modular and love it but I wouldn't have been able to do so without help from a friend who lent me a case full of gear to get started! While there is an argument that you can start with very little money I don't think that is the reality of modular to be honest! It is usually an all consuming expensive passion! And while many synths are very expensive there are also a lot that are way cheaper than the equivalent modular functionality and very capable, like the Arturia MicroFreak, the Korg Minilogue and most groove boxes which are way better value. There is no wrong, all is right - it just depends what you like to spend your time and money on I suppose! Then there's effects pedals! 🙌🎶
I could make a video explaining, why I don't drive electric cars, (I don't have a drivers license, and I can not operate a car...) Or another one explaining why i don't drive combustibles using cars. (same reason) Which one would you prefer? Should I make them both to be clear?
Hi Richard, I went down the Behringer route to start my modular journey, bought the System 15, about £520 Christmas 23. love it added to it through the year. I did an unboxing, first try video. Would you be interested in watching the video? :)
Richard you do understand that Bad Gear is satire. Meme drenched for sure. But that's what makes it so clever and tongue in cheek. I'm waiting for him to use the hawk tuah girl for something. Bad Gear is not bad. Modular synths are not bad either. You know you can download HEXEN for free just to give it a try. We'll miss Caustic rip😢
I found the modular synths are uncool argument so weird. They are fascinating and people are amazed by these very musical machines that we control as musicians. But you hear them in so many places, from dance pop like Lady Gaga to pop rock like Coldplay to more indie music like St. Vincent and much more. The fact that you can make an unimaginable wide range of sound and have so much control in detail, whilst also being able to just go crazy and have it generate random sounds that can inspire entire compositions, means you can involve modular synth in anything.
Seems to be more popular in mainstream music too. Seeing modular being used in the wild much more these days, onstage alongside traditional band instruments
I have a deep respect for what you can do with modular but I stay away from it for all the reasons Audiopilz mentioned. Since I started buying hardware synths I’ve been in the GAS-loop long enough to see that more gear will not make my music much better. Deminishinng returns.
Let’s be honest here, nothing is cooler than a modular synth. It is an endless Sonic playground and there’s nothing else like it. Addiction is such a harsh word. It’s clearly a genuine love and enthusiasm for the coolest art form on earth. 😎 although if someone took my Modular away I would definitely throw a major tantrum… like an addict… hmmm. Still cool though.
Was looking for a new mono synth but everything out there is kinda blah. I just spent $1500 on modules because I built a better mono synth than I could buy at that price.
Yeah it's a bit click baity video but the memes make it worthwhile since I don't follow the synth threads. I'd love to see him recreate his intro tune in modular though.
IMO, modular synths do not suck, and even @AudioPilz likely didn’t mean to genuinely discourage anyone from exploring them. However, he did make a valid point: the price-to-result ratio in modular synthesis is undeniably poor. It requires a significant investment of money, time, and effort to achieve something truly meaningful in music. I’m glad this approach works for you, but misleading others into thinking it’s the "right" life choice would be unethical. We all know it’s a bit of a black hole. So, it’s better to be upfront when introducing someone to modular synthesis, providing a proper disclaimer: there will be blood! :D
audiopilz is a lot typical youtube drama clickbait, did see the video about modular and again the typical stuff coming from him. I sadly do not have the room and the budget but I do have soft modular and nothing is like it.
Yo estoy de acuerdo con AudioPilz, modular sucks y es para gente ignorante que gasta miles de dólares en módulos ridiculous con muchas luces para sonar cómo un chip de audio de 8 bits de los años 80 😂😂😂
Well don't tell my wife but i have about 10k in my case at the moment. It is expensive, but i can afford it. Can't help to feel guilty when i don't use it for a week, playing only on my Hydrasynth!
I tried to watch his videos a few times, 'cause youtube suggests it every once in a while, alltough I told youtube not to do so. The aggressive compression on the voice makes me want to hurt someone. I can't stand it for a second.
Modular is nice to have around and play with but I wouldn't say it helps you make better or more interesting music.. Thats more of a creativity issue. One things for sure people get lost in the rabbit hole and end up thinking more about getting the next Module than getting any music made, but for many thats the hobby just enjoying sound. It´s all good in the end if it makes you enjoy life a bit more.
Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot of people that don't necessarily want to create music, but just enjoy collecting and tinkering, and that's cool. Same is true with other things, like guitar pedals, or maybe even guitars
Recently I watched a video from AudioPilz on why he doesn't use modular synths (check link in description). A quite entertaining video, but I don't agree with some of his points. 😆🤣😂😉
20-30 memes? I think you gotta check your numbers;)
I'm going to have to watch the video again and do a proper count. Most modular memes collected in one place, I commend your effort sir! 😁
I don't watch your videos because of all the memes you clone. I would like to but clearly I am not your intended audience. Even though I am ...
@@justrichardcharlesI tried to read the memes on 2nd watch through but they're on for less than a second so I use the "jump back 10 seconds" on UA-cam and find that I've skipped backwards over 5 memes. Seems to average a meme every 2 seconds for that video. 😂
Fight!
put youtube to half time when watching Audiopilz vids a second time, epic attention to detail
ALSO about the Hardware, paying thousands another thing is that there hardwired you can swop around how the synth makes / modulates sound etc its fixed. where as for half the price you could get enough modules and easily explore more in different ways to express. You could even select your favourite kind of filter, style of vco/fm/wavetable and many sequencer options etc its mind blowing you can literally custom to your liking. I recently bought a Pro One style Curtis filter for modular that alone for me is incredible to incorporate with my other favourite modules.
I own a modular rig...it's fun ,but Florian was right about everything. More importantly, he doesn't take himself seriously at all. It was supposed to be fun and entertaining
Indeed, and it was pretty entertaining. Always good to have some gentle mocking now and again so as not to take oneself too seriously 🤣
Great video as always. I appreciate your very nice, polite disagreement here! I really like the point about modular actually being more affordable. Never realized that for those of us that don't have a lot of savings, modular actually becomes more accessible. Great point! Also, I just want to say that I admire your ability to cleanly articulate a point for so long without a million chops. If I talk for more than a minute, I have to chop it up, otherwise it will just be an incoherent adhd mess. Cheers!
Thanks for your kind words. It doesn't always work out that way. I have a collection of outtakes that mainly consist of me staring into space wondering what to say, 🤣🤣🤣
@@justrichardcharles 😂😂
The problem I have with modular music is that it’s so cumbersome to progress a piece through different ‘scenes’. The eternal modular jam is now so predominant on YT that I soon switch off as there’s so little movement and excitement and dare I say, musicality which is what keeps the ears and mind interested
I tried to solve this problem with a nerdseq... yeah don't bother, the UI is gash. You cant even access all the CV of the CV module from its own channel (you can only sequence 6 out of 16, the rest you have to access through some convoluted technique, which of course limits how you can use those CVs), its ridiculous. There more nonsense, but yeah i wont go there now.Yet it i still the most powerful sequncer wihtin euro.
It is all about the accidents that happen within the process of modular for me. Been enjoying the diary of thoughts on your channel tonight.
Without sounding to esoteric I find modular just has a power, energy and immediacy that I can't experience with regular gear or a daw, like tweaking a simple baseline on nano rings for three minutes is more exciting sounding than a well planned song on abelton.
This is so true!
Well said. I bought an 84 hp nifty case because I was interested in incorporating a modular synth into my existing DAW/synth collection. That one small case quickly got way more interesting and creative than all of the other gear. Never looked back and have sold most of my old stuff to pursue modular.
@@frederickaloysiuspalowaski149 Same here, I'm basically down to eurorack and Ableton, I don't even use midi I just use Live like a tape machine for my modules which are rapidly shrinking my bank account 😂
@dontcallmejon haha yes ,same here, logic has become just a recording tool, I will use a bit of post processing on my stuff with it but that's the extent of a once mighty and busy system. Working with modular is vastly different and, in my humble opinion, more rewarding than traditional synth setups. It goes to places hard-wired synths just can't.
To me, the beauty of modular is its limitations. Like in a DAW, everything is saved and I can work on a song, fixing and fine-tuning it, for months or years. It's so efficient. In the modular world, everything is a live performance. An improv jam. When I record my music/noise, it's all live with no overdubs or multi-tracking. It's a performance. I love modular. I also love @AudioPilz. And I love you, Richard.
You didn't say how much would it costs to recreate a polybrute in modular tho. Also you compared the price of modular with top tier synths with great keyboards erc.
There are a lot of synths under 1k that blows the average modular out of the water, things like hydrasynth explorer, minifreak, korg modwave, opsix, wavestate and many more.
I'm a modularist and I love modular, but no, eurorack is not as convenient as hardware synths and it's defintely more expensive.
Yes, you can make your own fancy monosynth for 500$ but you won't be able to make an Hydrasynth explorer or a Minifreak in modular for the same price and not even for twice the price.
Last but not least, hardware is progressing, things like the uno synth pro would cost 1k to recreate in hardware.
My point is, where eurorack wins is in personalization, there's no need to try to build other arguments in its defence just because we love it. It's going to lose in every department: price, convenience, replicability of sounds.
That's a fair point, and I do agree with you. I think they each have their own strengths and weaknesses. They are different ways of approaching music making and work flow. Yes modular is always going to be expensive, but I think the point I was trying to make was that it is possible to spend a lot of money whatever route you take. Potentially modular can be a little more accessible if you build it over time rather than outlay the cash in one go. I'm not sure it would be worthwhile making a modular version of a polybrute, it probably would cost way more, but what would be the point? You could just buy a polybrute instead. Ultimately you spend your money on whatever system works best for you and what you want from it. 😊
I love the comparison to modular being like a little orchestra. I've been thinking of it for quite a while now as a sound exploration setup where I can be composer, orchestrator, arranger, and conductor all at once.
I enjoyed his rant, which really needs to be taken with a hint of sarcasm. Nobody I know at work thinks any synth music is cool, and he would be instantly lumped in with the rest of us 😅
Every time i hear someone talk about their modular setups i get the same vibes as when people talk about their gambling addictions,
'I can stop any time, it's not a problem, it doesn't cost that much' etc
😂🤣😂
Great sentiments expressed here and very pertinent too imho. I am a humble guitarist who just wanted additional ambient backing tracks and fx for my home studio. The peddle board and additional pad synth cost would have been comparable to that of my current modular build. So the point made about the cost factor is duly noted. Also, growing your sound over time is a significant step as opposed to a large initial outlay with just one main synth component. I have spent hours researching and working out what modules to add to my setup which is invaluable and a key part of the design process I think.
Finally, I would be remiss to leave out the pure joy of a "happy accident" or unexpected rift found at the end of a patch. Its simply wayyy more fun than just noodling on my guitar to get an interesting rift going and definitely a more creative process when using the rack with all the CV options available. I have 3 boxes at the moment...a tiny DIY 30HP, a Nifty Case and a Behringer 104HP. Controversial, but Behringer has allowed many struggling artists (like myself) to explore this world with their recent clones.
So, is modular expensive and time-consuming? YES! But so is the rest of the dawless industry.
Thanks for your comment and sharing your experience. There are so many positives with modular that I think it's really worth the effort and outlay required to get into it. Once you get over the first few hurdles it gets easier and it's not long before you can be making some interesting sounds. As for behringer, like you say, they really are the heroes to people who want to get into this thing and don't have lots of spare cash. I remember the early behringer days when they just made cheap plastic guitar pedals (or at least that's what I remember). They've come a long way since.
Yeah this is basically how I came to modular as well. Still new to the hobby and already I've been able to compose parts I never would have dreamed of coming up with just riffing on my guitar. It's gasoline for the creative fire.
Yeah, I’m yet another guitarist who’s gone modular. My synth has been setup to play as a guitar, which is something I can’t do with a muse or a sub37 (even though they do arguably sound a lot better than my rig!)
@@justrichardcharles indeed
@@leftcoastline Agreed. It is a fun and inspiring method to sound design that's both unique and evolving. Definitely worth it in my book.
100% agree on all points. Also absolutely love the show bad gear!
Me too, it's a great show!
The other thing about cost is that I've never met a synthesizer guy with just one synth. They all have a half-dozen or more, ranging from a few hundred to a few thousand per synth.
That's very true!
Modular fuels my autistic fire.
It's the lego set tailored for my brain.
I do love the idea of modular as Lego. I often describe it that way to people. Except instead of making the thing in the picture on the front of the box, you can make whatever you want.
AudioPilz is right, and you are right, too... I enjoy modular, but I also agree with most of what AudioPilz says. It's my quirky and nerdy little obsession. I just don't understand why everyone else is doing it, too... 😁
Cos it's supercool!! 😂😂😂
It's interesting that the focus of Eurorack is to make some kind of synthesizer with it. My approach was to make it more of a modular effects unit with complex rhythmic elements. The disadvantage is that there are not many stereo modules.
I’d love to see a cost comparison between a modular skiff and a synth like the DSI Pro2 or Polybrute. Dare I say it would be 2-4 times more expensive and would take up much more space. Hence the reason why I struggle to make the jump to modular like many others have
"A little bit tongue in cheek"
What is cooler than a modular synth??? Nothing!!!! Totally agree! fab video, Richard!
Thanks!!! 😁🙏
Modular gives you a reality check... you can't have it all (at least most of us can't). You HAVE to be specific and straightforward with your expectations... I actually like that about it because it forces you to simplify your workflow (modules are space and money, it's up to you to decide what really matters and get to the point with as little as possible!!). Another thing that is worth the extra bucks (IMO) > to have a "studio in a suitcase" that you can travel with... And one power cable too.
Richard, thank you .. sometimes detracting on something, that many people hold in higher regard .. can be done, at least in part, for the attention.
I don't envy anyone who can purchase a huge collection of modules, all at once, that are all new to that buyer. It could drive a person mad. But, in the collecting of one, or so, at a time .. stretching out the learning cycle(s) .. that's still a healthy mental load.
Time will tell .. but, it seems like what's been marketed, in the last 5 to 7 years, module-wise, could be useful, for some time to come. The newer things that I've seen anyway, in instances, are the rehashing older techniques, or merging older techniques. Which isn't bad, .. if it makes patching easier, .. that's a plus, in itself.
And, like you said .. following the signal traces, .. watching the lights .. it can be a special delight.
I really wanted to get into modular, but I think one thing that no one ever talked about is that the cost for audio-cables can add up really quickly & there is a saying in electronics, that every cable is a potential error source. Furthermore you have to tune every Oscillator & depending on the size of the system I think can be super annoying. Also analog circuits can have heat instabilities which make those not reliable & going for digital modules is a bit redundant in my opinion, when you already have software synths.
One arguement I heard a lot is that you can do certain things with modular that you can´t do with normal synths (e.g. use a mixer for mixing cv signals).
But comparing this to Xfer Serum for example, I don´t really get where difference is between using a mixer in modular or dragging several diffrent modulators to the same in Serum knob & adjusting their modrange.
Furthermore the comparison for the overall cost factor is a bit missleading in my opinion as the mentioned synths are all super limited in their functions.
e. g. Serum is around 200$ I think.
For that price you don´t even get a single wavetable oscillator.
This comment is not intended to offend anyone, but rather raise some attention to the technical hurdles that can come with modular, which no one really talks about.
So if you already have a DAW & a software synth like Serum, Phase Plant or any other compareable software synth I think modular won´t give you any "real" benefit.
But if you want to it anyway & you can affort it, I just say go for it ;)
~Cheers~
Hey, Thanks for the comment! All valid points I would say. And yes cables are a hidden cost. I guess a bit like guitar strings if you play guitar. I think the main thing with modular though, is that it's just a very different approach to workflow and if that suits you then you will get great results. It's not for everyone, nor should it be. There are a lot of quirks and annoyances that's for sure. But I can hand on heart say I don't think I would be making the music I am (or much music for that matter) if I had not discovered a way of working with modular that totally suited me and that I'm satisfied with. I've tried using software and I've also played in a lot of bands over the years, but nothing comes close to what I've found with modular. That being said cables can be a pain at times, and not just the cost. Having them strewn about the place is also an annoyance. I really should try and be a bit tidier with them. In the end though, we all gotta find our own path. I wish you the very best of luck and success 😊🙏🖖
@justrichardcharles yeah, if it works, it works...I guess in the end it is all about what makes us happy & what we enjoy doing...that being said, software definetely has some drawbacks too.
I think a healthy way to look at it, is that once we found a workflow that works for us we should stick with it and not change it up (learned this the hard way)
I have largely been anti-modular (Eurorack, 5U etc.) in the past because I see how our desires get ahead of our actual productions. When I got into synthesizers I did not understand electronics. I was traditionally trained with MIDI and digital synths in the 1990s so I had no issues putting together the studio of my dreams. I went with semi-modular Behringer and Moog instead of Eurorack. And then I started actually studying electronics and electrical engineering. I started building my own circuits and devices. With this knowledge and skill, building Eurorack modules and cases suddenly becomes PRACTICAL. There exists an entire OTHER community of Eurorack enthusiasts that DIY most of their gear, and they can also supplement their expenses by building modules for other users. Modular CAN be a serious money sink but it can also be the cheapest way to achieve the studio (well ... noise makers!!) of your dreams provided you can INVEST the necessary time (and money) to learn. Even in terms of just using and caring for purchases commercial modules and synthesizers I feel much more confident in using them with this knowledge (understanding the functions of voltage versus the functions of current and just power in general). Cheers!
The DIY side of eurorack is something I've yet to explore. It is very tempting because of the relative cheapness of kits. Just not sure my soldering skills are up to it!
I went from pedals to noise boxes to modular. The pipeline is real! As far as addiction goes there are tons of modules that I’d like to spend time with but as you said once you’ve got the parts you need it kanda slows down.
Lovely video and you have a great vibe! I would love to one day have a modular system. I do struggle with pricing, efficiency and portability. With those factors in mind, the Dreadbox Typhon "checks all the boxes." At $3-500 you have a super phat analog 2-oscillator monosynth with high quality effects and a step sequencer, and a whole bag of smart capabilities like 4 envelopes or 3 LFOS or 3 step sequencers all dedicated to 32 modulation targets - and 250 preset banks - and stereo 1/4" output. Not to mention it can be carried with one hand. I would be very curious to know what you'd think of it as a member of your orchestra.
Hey thanks for the comment! The Dreadbox Typhon does look like a very cool and capable synth. I've had similar synths over the years (small desktop form factor) and have used to varying degrees. However, I've sold all of them now. Not because I didn't like them, but mainly because of lack of use. I just sold the last one quite recently which was Twisted Electrons MegaFM. A really cool synth, but it was just sat on my desk gathering dust. The main reason being that it didn't integrate well with eurorack. Even though it was sat on my desk in front of my modular case, because I couldn't patch in and out of it I kind of just forgot it was there. There were occasions when I would force myself to use it but the process of using it kind of sat outside the modular workflow which just meant it was more effort.
In contrast, the behringer 2600 works quite well with my eurorack system (not perfectly as voltages are a bit higher on B2600) and so gets used a lot more. There are a couple of other small behringer synths I've been looking at such as the Edge, mainly because there is CV patchability so it should integrate pretty well.
@@justrichardcharles yes I think if your modular system is so full of capabilities then it will be your constant channel, and other single devices will be limited in comparison, not to mention not integrated. For those who need efficiency in cost, offerings and portability, though, the market offers cheaper and like you said capable synths like the Typhon or MegaFM. The Edge looks very interesting, a MicroFreak with CV! Let's see when it actually ships!
I'm a few mins into the video, just want to say yes it can be expensive but you buying into a whole creative world, i honestly separate it from synths
and more like Lego you literally are given the pieces to do what tho wilt and given modules and a few Modulators one can go absolutely wild in synth world you could even imagine on a hardwired synth. They are also expensive because alot of the companies hand build ! and most companies use quality components .. it not like your paying for shit. I recommend every musician to atleast try modular as its a very magical unique approach to music making endless happy accidents that sometimes also make the main some of a new track etc.
So far very cool response, cheers !
Used mixer cases make perfect 12u modular cases and are quite inexpensive; the only thing you have to sort out is rails and power supply (Tiptop’s Happy Ending kits make perfect sense in this regard) 😊
I've actually just done this very thing to mount a row of modules under my behringer 2600. It's not a case though just a 19" rack stand. Need to get a mixer case though for transportation purposes
modular is expensive (but its super rewarding as long as you use it, dont get into this unless you are using your gear... scoring movies, doing sound design... producing for artists that this works for etc)
new instruments take time, totally agree
I would recommend not buying a huge already built thing... build your own as best you can, and have direction
modular is cool, ive been on a date and the girl asks what i do, and I kinda explain it briefly, and if they are interesting i show them and have them turn knobs and its a super fun time, id think if a a potential partner doesnt find my hobbies interesting I probably wouldnt last long with them...
I'm a weirdo who watches modular from afar. I'd like to get into it, but honestly feel the learning curve is so high, and I'd take so many wrong turns along the way that it scares me. So I've wound up with some 'all in one' modulars like the Voltage Lab II and the Syntrx. So it was an interesting take to hear that. you feel it's more affordable, just because you can piece it together bit by bit.
Hey, thanks for the comment. It can be daunting, but VCV is great if you want to dip your toes in a bit further without forking out any cash. I think slowly is the best approach when it comes to learning and building a system.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that decision. The most important decision is that you have chosen to make music! Especially electronic music...
I started with a 100 euro case, a cheap Plaits clone and a Keystep, which has CV and Gate. All bought second hand, and that was enough to get started. Then got a Pamela's New Workout and started expanding from there. There's definitely a learning curve but if you go slow it's totally manageable. With only Pam's and Plaits you can already make some insane stuff.
@@ChainsawCoffee Thanks!
I'll second the vcv rack recommendation. I've spent countless hours absorbed in tinkering with patches in that software over the past 4 years or so, as a total newcomer to making music.
Now I almost enjoy patching more than playing.
Modular synthesizers are for people who take a perfectly good mono synth, and then drill holes in it and chop the circuit to get more sounds out of it, as I did with my first synth, a Yamaha CS-15. When one is that desperate and determined to get more sounds, then modular is the only way to go at some point. Think about what music you want to make, and let your music guide your purchase of modules.
All synths have a $$ price, and all instruments will take time. Instruments take some time to learn. That's just the nature of maturing with something. The most important thing is, though, to find something that works for you to produce music. And if somebody exclaims, "All you're doing is producing bleeps and fart sounds!" just pause, play some modern classical music, and then compare the two. You will find much in common.
Hey, thanks for the comment, couldn't have said it better myself. It really is about finding something that works for you and running with it! 🙂
Its fun to trial and error patches on a set-up over weeks. Not worried about instant results. Always recording the experiments for editing.
Same here, sometimes things come together pretty quick, other times a patch needs to 'simmer' for a while first.
why not make my own tableware. it is quite easy really. clay is cheap. if you don't have a spin plate, don't worry. you can use any board and go from there. maybe extend and eventually get your own oven. there's a lot of different ways to learn glazing and some glazes are quite affordable. maybe you have local acess to other workshops and can make better plates. there's a lot of ressources for free online also. if you think about it, you already have everything you need. except time. and money. and plates that are a million times better are actually affordable. and about 99 other priorities in life. but that's not the point. to do something from interest and passion is the point, regardless of the outcome or usability in a wider commercial sense. fuck purpose. just do stuff because it plucks your heartstrings.
Well said!
Love Bad Gear and think there’s always a wink and a nod built into every video. Yes modular costs money but I feel like every video I see from an electronic musician has racks of synths that all cost money too. Everyone gets GAS. I would throw out that, in the long run, modular might be MORE cost effective due to the flexibility it offers compared to a traditional synth… of course I’m already part of the cult soooooooo… 😂😂😂
I do find his show quite entertaining, and more so when it's something I actually own too. GAS is unavoidable really, unless you have no money at all to buy anything. But once you step inside, it's just a case of seeing how far the rabbit hole goes. 😂😂
@@justrichardcharles ya gotta love when he busts out the final "vaporwave acid jazz trip hop electro lounge up tempo down beat trance dance dubstep ambient" final jam. It's always worth the watch just for the groovy sounds and graphics. Thanks for keeping modular content alive on UA-cam!
I think he's going or about to go modular. Florian been slyly hating on it for a while now, but he's really turning it up a notch.... he's just grumpy that the bug has actually bitten him.
That would be quite amusing if he does!
Why would I use modular synths when I can design my own synths using circuits from Erica Synths and Daisy Seed? The classic filters are out there like the Korg MS20's and Moog ladder filters
I use modular and love it but I wouldn't have been able to do so without help from a friend who lent me a case full of gear to get started! While there is an argument that you can start with very little money I don't think that is the reality of modular to be honest! It is usually an all consuming expensive passion! And while many synths are very expensive there are also a lot that are way cheaper than the equivalent modular functionality and very capable, like the Arturia MicroFreak, the Korg Minilogue and most groove boxes which are way better value. There is no wrong, all is right - it just depends what you like to spend your time and money on I suppose! Then there's effects pedals! 🙌🎶
I've probably spent more money on effects pedals over the years than modules, back in my guitar days 🤣🤣
most modular synth setups are monosynths. you can sell that wall behind you and get a prophet 10 instead
I could make a video explaining, why I don't drive electric cars, (I don't have a drivers license, and I can not operate a car...) Or another one explaining why i don't drive combustibles using cars. (same reason) Which one would you prefer? Should I make them both to be clear?
It’s not for everyone.
I have owned a bunch of analog, sold most of it, Vital is free as is ZebraLette 3. Phaseplant is also amazing.
Hi Richard, I went down the Behringer route to start my modular journey, bought the System 15, about £520 Christmas 23. love it added to it through the year. I did an unboxing, first try video. Would you be interested in watching the video? :)
Hey there, I certainly will check the video out!
Just watching your video now. £520 is a great price for everything you have there. Can't believe you get so much in that kit!
@@justrichardcharles Yeah, an affordable way in, if your new to it, to see if you get on with it :)
Richard you do understand that Bad Gear is satire. Meme drenched for sure. But that's what makes it so clever and tongue in cheek. I'm waiting for him to use the hawk tuah girl for something. Bad Gear is not bad. Modular synths are not bad either. You know you can download HEXEN for free just to give it a try. We'll miss Caustic rip😢
This is not the correct way of embracing Bad Gearsim
I found the modular synths are uncool argument so weird. They are fascinating and people are amazed by these very musical machines that we control as musicians. But you hear them in so many places, from dance pop like Lady Gaga to pop rock like Coldplay to more indie music like St. Vincent and much more. The fact that you can make an unimaginable wide range of sound and have so much control in detail, whilst also being able to just go crazy and have it generate random sounds that can inspire entire compositions, means you can involve modular synth in anything.
Seems to be more popular in mainstream music too. Seeing modular being used in the wild much more these days, onstage alongside traditional band instruments
I have a deep respect for what you can do with modular but I stay away from it for all the reasons Audiopilz mentioned. Since I started buying hardware synths I’ve been in the GAS-loop long enough to see that more gear will not make my music much better. Deminishinng returns.
Let’s be honest here, nothing is cooler than a modular synth. It is an endless Sonic playground and there’s nothing else like it. Addiction is such a harsh word. It’s clearly a genuine love and enthusiasm for the coolest art form on earth. 😎 although if someone took my Modular away I would definitely throw a major tantrum… like an addict… hmmm. Still cool though.
If you want to keep your modular cheap, you really got to know what you are doing...
Was looking for a new mono synth but everything out there is kinda blah. I just spent $1500 on modules because I built a better mono synth than I could buy at that price.
Yeah it's a bit click baity video but the memes make it worthwhile since I don't follow the synth threads. I'd love to see him recreate his intro tune in modular though.
Haha, totally! Some of those memes were quite funny though 🤣
his 'dawless jams' are always the same tuneless derivative techno garbage... so i don't think his modular version would be any better
IMO, modular synths do not suck, and even @AudioPilz likely didn’t mean to genuinely discourage anyone from exploring them. However, he did make a valid point: the price-to-result ratio in modular synthesis is undeniably poor. It requires a significant investment of money, time, and effort to achieve something truly meaningful in music.
I’m glad this approach works for you, but misleading others into thinking it’s the "right" life choice would be unethical. We all know it’s a bit of a black hole. So, it’s better to be upfront when introducing someone to modular synthesis, providing a proper disclaimer: there will be blood! :D
he is just avoiding the inevitable full on eurorack addiction that will happen in 2 years of less.. just postponing the fun temporarily
audiopilz is a lot typical youtube drama clickbait, did see the video about modular and again the typical stuff coming from him. I sadly do not have the room and the budget but I do have soft modular and nothing is like it.
More like 100 memes
Yo estoy de acuerdo con AudioPilz, modular sucks y es para gente ignorante que gasta miles de dólares en módulos ridiculous con muchas luces para sonar cómo un chip de audio de 8 bits de los años 80 😂😂😂
But the lights are so pretty 😻
Don’t think the 2 many synths cases are a good examples of a budget or inexpensive case :-)
You're probably right there, I did think that afterwards. Cheaper options are available 😊
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Well don't tell my wife but i have about 10k in my case at the moment. It is expensive, but i can afford it. Can't help to feel guilty when i don't use it for a week, playing only on my Hydrasynth!
You don't have to spend a fortune on modular, but we all would if we could! 😜
I tried to watch his videos a few times, 'cause youtube suggests it every once in a while, alltough I told youtube not to do so. The aggressive compression on the voice makes me want to hurt someone. I can't stand it for a second.
Modular is nice to have around and play with but I wouldn't say it helps you make better or more interesting music.. Thats more of a creativity issue.
One things for sure people get lost in the rabbit hole and end up thinking more about getting the next Module than getting any music made,
but for many thats the hobby just enjoying sound. It´s all good in the end if it makes you enjoy life a bit more.
Yeah, I think there's definitely a lot of people that don't necessarily want to create music, but just enjoy collecting and tinkering, and that's cool. Same is true with other things, like guitar pedals, or maybe even guitars