One of the best endings to a John Wayne Western! Lee Marvin was such a despicable bad guy in this movie but in real life he was a very personable and humble guy! They don't bmake movies like that anymore, nor are there actors today who had the charisma and grit of Wayne and Marvin!!
A little past this clip is perhaps one of the best lines in the whole film: "Well go on and accept that nomination! you taught her how to read and write, (opens the door for Ransom) NOW GIVE HER SOMETHING TO READ AND WRITE ABOUT."
I remember watching an interview with Lee Marvin where, after the first shoot John Ford asked him why played the death scene like that. Lee said that when he fell to both knees he realized it looked like he was praying and that his character was such a bad guy that he wouldn't die that way so he got up and stumbled to the side and fell. John Ford said, OK, "Give me a bunch of silver dollars and stick them in his hat." because Lee's character had just won a poker game before that. Ford said it would add to the scene to have them bounce as he did it. You can see them when the hat goes down if you are watching. Great collaboration on a great death scene!
@@BryceHatley I have to agree with you, Bryce. And most movie historians and analysts agree that The Searchers was his most complex characterization. Also the most difficult for Wayne, based on stories about the filming, including Harry Carey's comments. But all in all, this is one of my favorite westerns. Lee Marvin was a nasty drunk and a big asshole, and so was his son, Chris, who stole cookies out of my lunch bag in high school print shop class, the period before lunch. The day I spiked them (Gaucho peanut butter cookies) with red pepper, the little shit didn't take 'em.
Indeed, james...Doc Hostetler's prognosis..."You'll scream till you lose consciousness. Nothing will touch it."...would be similarly advised at the UCLA Medical Center several years later...where Pedro Armendariz too had also been sternly advised years before Duke entered. Duke's request for the shotgun to be smuggled in and presented failed, but only for Duke. Armendariz was successful and ended his screams.
You got to love how they actually subverted expectations back in the day. Not with cheap tricks, but by amazing storytelling. Audiences went in looking at every moment to see the duke take out Liberty, assuming him to be the titular character, then all of a sudden, we see Stewart take the shot. We see Vera comforting him, and our entire focus shifts to him as the titular character, only to then be knocked for whirlwind at this scene. Truly great storytelling and manipulation of the audiences’ expectations.
Sorry to confuse people but in half speed playback it’s really easy to see Tom shot last out of the three men, I know it’s an old movie and is probably overlooked but does this add more depth to the character, aiding to clear the guys conscience even if he’s lying in order to help his election, how selfless of Tom if you really want to take the minute detail that seriously
Trying to remember how many movies John Wayne and Lee Marvin made together. This one, obviously. Donovan's Reef and The Comancheros came to mind. Any others?
The killing scene was one thing. The rapid recovery and readiness to return fire is what makes that scene. The look back to a man you know is gone.the toss back of the rifle. Ive used the the tool. The tool worked. Lets go...
Lee Marvin himself should've at least gotten a best supporting Oscar nomination for his dying scene as a great many ambulatory dying patients try to flee death.
My theory is that Stoddard did actually kill Valence and Tom just watched, he lied to him because he knew he was still a good man and didn't want to see him throw everything away for getting rid of a bad one.
I think you have a point. I've thought the same. Liberty is killed and hauled off to the boneyard without more than a look from a drunk doctor. Maybe there were two bullets in him. Maybe Doniphon missed. Maybe if Pompey wasn't standing there Doniphon would have let the fight go without his interference. Maybe Doniphon made up the story about shooting Liberty, in order to help Hallie with her choice of Stoddard, because he knew he'd already lost her.
Probably more like 25 or 30 feet and wether you're the aggressor or the unfortunate fucked, you tend to develop tunnel vision. After all, Roberts your mother's brother...
I noticed that too. I believe that cigarette companies paid the movie studios to incorporate smoking in their films as product placement. John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart are seen smoking cigarettes, all men are going to do it. Monkey see. Monkey do.
Lee Marvin should have won the Academy award for The Big Heat, not Cat Ballou. With modern pathology, it woukd have been obvious on autopsy that would have been shown to have been killed from a bullet that entered from the side, not the front.
Doniphon said "I can live with it.", but in reality, Doniphon couldn't. Valance and Doniphon probably knew they'd have a shootout someday, but it wasn't supposed to happen like this. This wasn't the kind of shooting you could be proud of. Shooting someone from ambush is not the code of the old west, but it is how things were done back then. Hikock and Jesse James got theirs from behind and Billy the Kid got shot by Pat Garrett as he woke from a sound sleep and called out, "Quien Es?" (Who's there?) in Spanish. Billy never knew who shot him, because Pat Garrett never identified himself before shooting Billy.
The Code of the West is Hollywood bunkum. Invented in and for Westerns. Also it was considered honorable (and legal) to shoot a person in self-defense or in the defense of others' lives then as it is now.
That made this movie awesome. Instead of a western ending cliché like Tom and Hally got married then leave the town, say goodbye to Ranse and the town people
Ransom Stoddard taught her to read and write. He listened to her and respected her opinion. He loved her as a person. There were several incidences in the movie that demonstrated that Doniphon took her for granted and did not consider her opinions or feelings when he made decisions concerning their future. The man she chose became a great man. The man she did not choose tried to commit suicide and died virtually friendless in a town he lived in for decades. She never regretted her decision.
Good movie but what spoiled it for me was Stewart character getting the girl. I did not like that so it spoiled the whole movie for me. Been on the TV 75 times or more over 60 years? I don't know, I think I watched it twice in that time. Best western Wayne ever made? My pick would be the Searcher's. He did not get the girl in that movie either. LOL His best overall? The Quiet Man.
To me, that made this movie awesome. That twisted story. Instead of a western ending cliché like Tom and Hally got married then leave the town, say goodbye to Ranse and the town people
But that's what makes this a classic. Halley should have ended up with Doniphan and not Stoddard and at the end of the movie, you can tell that she thinks so too.
No. If you came along and saw a known felon shoot and wound someone, and then toy with them before delivering the fatal blow, would you feel it was cowardly to shoot without warning to stop them?
actually, that was what usually happened in the old west. Cowboys seldom wore guns. The idea of the showdown was just a Hollywood creation to cater to the morals of the time. Check it out.
One of the best endings to a John Wayne Western! Lee Marvin was such a despicable bad guy in this movie but in real life he was a very personable and humble guy! They don't bmake movies like that anymore, nor are there actors today who had the charisma and grit of Wayne and Marvin!!
John Wayne at his dark,sinister best....the eyes half open,hypnotic stare,it spoke volumes.....great movie.!
The bitter resignation in his tone when he prompts "Pompey."
@@CactiTrio True,i never noticed that,you are absolutely correct...Well noticed..!!
A little past this clip is perhaps one of the best lines in the whole film:
"Well go on and accept that nomination! you taught her how to read and write, (opens the door for Ransom) NOW GIVE HER SOMETHING TO READ AND WRITE ABOUT."
I remember watching an interview with Lee Marvin where, after the first shoot John Ford asked him why played the death scene like that. Lee said that when he fell to both knees he realized it looked like he was praying and that his character was such a bad guy that he wouldn't die that way so he got up and stumbled to the side and fell. John Ford said, OK, "Give me a bunch of silver dollars and stick them in his hat." because Lee's character had just won a poker game before that. Ford said it would add to the scene to have them bounce as he did it. You can see them when the hat goes down if you are watching. Great collaboration on a great death scene!
This movie is 1 of my top 10 westerns & probably in the top 5
Fantastic film,and scene.Love the way John Wayne doesnt take his eyes off Lee Marvin from beginning to end,making sure the jobs done...Brilliant..!!!
Another fine citation!
Certainly one of the great westerns. Gets better every time you watch it.
Tom Doniphon might be the saddest character that John Wayne ever played.
And?
Or the most deeply complex character )
Definitely up there, but I'd probably cast my vote for Ethan Edwards.
@@BryceHatley I have to agree with you, Bryce. And most movie historians and analysts agree that The Searchers was his most complex characterization. Also the most difficult for Wayne, based on stories about the filming, including Harry Carey's comments. But all in all, this is one of my favorite westerns. Lee Marvin was a nasty drunk and a big asshole, and so was his son, Chris, who stole cookies out of my lunch bag in high school print shop class, the period before lunch. The day I spiked them (Gaucho peanut butter cookies) with red pepper, the little shit didn't take 'em.
He nailed the role.
Stewart was in Wayne's last movie, The Shootist.
You are correct sir.
Indeed, james...Doc Hostetler's prognosis..."You'll scream till you lose consciousness. Nothing will touch it."...would be similarly advised at the UCLA Medical Center several years later...where Pedro Armendariz too had also been sternly advised years before Duke entered. Duke's request for the shotgun to be smuggled in and presented failed, but only for Duke. Armendariz was successful and ended his screams.
Don t forget Harry Morgan. Col Potter. " What I do on your grave won t resemble anything close to dancing. " 😅😊
You got to love how they actually subverted expectations back in the day. Not with cheap tricks, but by amazing storytelling. Audiences went in looking at every moment to see the duke take out Liberty, assuming him to be the titular character, then all of a sudden, we see Stewart take the shot. We see Vera comforting him, and our entire focus shifts to him as the titular character, only to then be knocked for whirlwind at this scene. Truly great storytelling and manipulation of the audiences’ expectations.
A fantastic classis. I never get tired of watching this movie! Lee Marvin is THE best bad guy I have ever watched.
Lee and William Smith "Falconetti'
@@thomaspicone8837 --- Bless you Thomas for remembering "Anthony." Makes my day!
His death scene is VERY realistically done. This is more or less what you see when you watch real video footage of people getting shot.
Love this movie! It’s in my top 5 John Wayne films ever! ☮️🖖🏽
Agreed.
John Wayne's coat is so cool!
the duke wanted to make damn sure valance was dead,too mean to live
Sorry to confuse people but in half speed playback it’s really easy to see Tom shot last out of the three men, I know it’s an old movie and is probably overlooked but does this add more depth to the character, aiding to clear the guys conscience even if he’s lying in order to help his election, how selfless of Tom if you really want to take the minute detail that seriously
Remember, Pilgrim?
When your ruin a great steak , that is just justice !!
Tony
"But that's..."
"Cold blooded murder"
You didn't show the whole scene
Trying to remember how many movies John Wayne and Lee Marvin made together. This one, obviously. Donovan's Reef and The Comancheros came to mind. Any others?
You got them all.
Tom is the hero we deserve, just not the one we need right now.
No we need him now
More Tom's less hen's.
How did he not see him throwing that gun?
BEST SCENE EVER ❗️
This man a absolute legend
The killing scene was one thing. The rapid recovery and readiness to return fire is what makes that scene. The look back to a man you know is gone.the toss back of the rifle. Ive used the the tool. The tool worked. Lets go...
Lee Marvin himself should've at least gotten a best supporting Oscar nomination for his dying scene as a great many ambulatory dying patients try to flee death.
Tom's last name is spelled Doniphon. John Ford was fullblood Irish.
They say his real name was Sean Aloysius O’Feeney. You can't get much more Irish than that.
My theory is that Stoddard did actually kill Valence and Tom just watched, he lied to him because he knew he was still a good man and didn't want to see him throw everything away for getting rid of a bad one.
I don't think the movie implies that
@@joshlight6892 I don't care what you think.
I think you have a point. I've thought the same. Liberty is killed and hauled off to the boneyard without more than a look from a drunk doctor. Maybe there were two bullets in him. Maybe Doniphon missed. Maybe if Pompey wasn't standing there Doniphon would have let the fight go without his interference. Maybe Doniphon made up the story about shooting Liberty, in order to help Hallie with her choice of Stoddard, because he knew he'd already lost her.
Fuck. This movie is perfect.
You might attempt to spell the name right!!
Jimmy's or Lee's character didn't notice the two dudes standing about 12 feet away from them?
Probably more like 25 or 30 feet and wether you're the aggressor or the unfortunate fucked, you tend to develop tunnel vision. After all, Roberts your mother's brother...
Great Movie
I never noticed the cigarette in John Wayne's hand at 0:52
I noticed that too. I believe that cigarette companies paid the movie studios to incorporate smoking in their films as product placement. John Wayne and Humphrey Bogart are seen smoking cigarettes, all men are going to do it. Monkey see. Monkey do.
That was the perfect synchronization
This movie and Shane. Are iconic westerns by which all others are held. To standard,,
He was the savior of them all
Lee Marvin should have won the Academy award for The Big Heat, not Cat Ballou. With modern pathology, it woukd have been obvious on autopsy that would have been shown to have been killed from a bullet that entered from the side, not the front.
The Duke, there is only One.
Only 2 people could have played those parts, John Wayne and lee marvin
Dang, I thought about your statement and it seems the parts were tailored for them. You nailed it pardner. Fit them like gloves...................
Doniphon said "I can live with it.", but in reality, Doniphon couldn't. Valance and Doniphon probably knew they'd have a shootout someday, but it wasn't supposed to happen like this. This wasn't the kind of shooting you could be proud of. Shooting someone from ambush is not the code of the old west, but it is how things were done back then. Hikock and Jesse James got theirs from behind and Billy the Kid got shot by Pat Garrett as he woke from a sound sleep and called out, "Quien Es?" (Who's there?) in Spanish. Billy never knew who shot him, because Pat Garrett never identified himself before shooting Billy.
The code of the west has never been respected by Hollywood and probably not by people who lived in that time either
@@lindachristensen1706 Bull shit, It's called survival.
I think he could live with it, but what he could not live with is his act caused him to lose the woman he loved.
The code of the Old West- "Do unto others before they do it to you"
The Code of the West is Hollywood bunkum. Invented in and for Westerns. Also it was considered honorable (and legal) to shoot a person in self-defense or in the defense of others' lives then as it is now.
Perfect...
Two macho men Wayne and Marvin versus a wimpy Jimmy Stewart. And Jimmy gets the girl. A twist on most movies of that day.
I love this movie, Except for the fact that john wayne's character got the crappy end of the stick
Ransom Stoddard (james stewart ) don't ear the winchester blowing on his right side ????
He's been shot and knows he's about to die......it's called being distracted........
Too bad they didn't have forensic science back then....
I hated Jimmy Stewart in this movie. He was such a candy-ass.
I love Jimmy Stewart but no way he should have got he girl over the Duke 🥰
That made this movie awesome. Instead of a western ending cliché like Tom and Hally got married then leave the town, say goodbye to Ranse and the town people
It was back when Hollywood wanted girls to grow up and NOT run away with the bad boys.
My impression is that Halley felt the same way at the end of the movie.
Ransom Stoddard taught her to read and write. He listened to her and respected her opinion. He loved her as a person. There were several incidences in the movie that demonstrated that Doniphon took her for granted and did not consider her opinions or feelings when he made decisions concerning their future. The man she chose became a great man. The man she did not choose tried to commit suicide and died virtually friendless in a town he lived in for decades. She never regretted her decision.
Ballistics would have shown the truth 😉
Tom Donaven,,,
Giants
Think again pilgrim........
John Wayne invented the hanky code, for rough and tough gay Hollywood action figures.
Good movie but what spoiled it for me was Stewart character getting the girl. I did not like that so it spoiled the whole movie for me. Been on the TV 75 times or more over 60 years? I don't know, I think I watched it twice in that time. Best western Wayne ever made? My pick would be the Searcher's. He did not get the girl in that movie either. LOL His best overall? The Quiet Man.
To me, that made this movie awesome. That twisted story. Instead of a western ending cliché like Tom and Hally got married then leave the town, say goodbye to Ranse and the town people
But that's what makes this a classic. Halley should have ended up with Doniphan and not Stoddard and at the end of the movie, you can tell that she thinks so too.
a coward shot from the shadows.
No. If you came along and saw a known felon shoot and wound someone, and then toy with them before delivering the fatal blow, would you feel it was cowardly to shoot without warning to stop them?
actually, that was what usually happened in the old west. Cowboys seldom wore guns.
The idea of the showdown was just a Hollywood creation to cater to the morals of the time. Check it out.
More like he prevented a murder.
@@leafyutube Justifiable homicide
You understand nothing. He stopped a cold blooded killer from murdering someone. Nothing cowardly about it. Like putting down a rabid animal.
John Wayne could hold his own with any other actor.
Liberteeeee!