As a Keyboard player, we are currently missing the ability to bind Taunts, bind keys for the Menu, and doing FTilts and Dairs can be unreliable, as every key is a full tilt, so in order to do them you have to use the Walk Modifier, which has a learning curve, as currently there is no *Double Tap to Run* in the game, so yeah. I'm glad you esteem our controller and put it high on the list, but the current drawbacks do make it a bit more unwieldy to new players, or returning players from Rivals 1 for that matter... Which is weird to see, as Rivals 1 did have full Keyboard support, and is what I used for the entirety of the game, so it's really strange they would just forget about it like this.
It's really strange how Rivals 2 doesn't have keyboard controls like Rivals 1, I hope they fix that ASAP!the keyboard should be as good as a leverless. 😤
Ayyyyy GRAM mentioned. I love my Custom GRAM controller. Its def on the more affordable end of leverless controllers with great support from guys behind it. Also love my progcc. Its a super easy mod to do with very little experience to DIY since there is no soldering involved. But ultimately GCC is my true love
I just use a Xbox series controller with a few added parts to make it feel more Gamecuber. Its pretty cost effective if you get one cheap from amazon or ebay. Xbox cocntroller - 44$ SCUF Pro Triggers Grip Kit- 24$ = Gives the controller trigger stops. Octagonal Gated Sticks Accent Rings- 10$ - Easy way to makes the stick octagonal. optional - GameSir Thumb Grip Pack-12$ If I wanted to go further I would probably solder in Hall sticks or TMR. But by itself just feels right for me personally.
I've been using the Nyxi Warrior, and it's been amazing for everything EXCEPT the snapback. It's essentially a wireless GC controller but it has Hall Effect Joysticks, a left shoulder button, swappable controller gates (octagonal vs circular), adjustable shoulder button depth, and some other general features. However I can't consistently baby dash, I'll go maybe 2 or three in one direction, but then snapback will give me a pivot the other direction. I've even adjusted the deadzones to try and prevent it and it just snaps too far. As I said, I love everything else about it, and if you play GC I def recommend it, but the snapback is a struggle lol.
you actually dont need to solder to make your own custom leverless controller. just get wires with quick disconnects and use arcade buttons (there are arcade button housings that can take any kind of keyboard switch you want like gamerfinger) and its extremely simple and easy no soldering reqiured. speaking from personal experience
Coming back To this after trying my own leverless. Here is a short list of challenges and ease of use moves i made. Any tips appreciated Easy to perform: dash dance, moonwalk, wave dash, ledge dash, RAR, tilt out of run Hard to perform: retreating aerials, in place aerials, angled moves(ex: fleet up special cancels), turn around in place, walk
You'll have to assign a walk modifier to one of your buttons in order to walk. That will also allow you to turn around. As for retreating and in place air attacks, since you don't have a right stick like a b0xx or frame 1 you'll need to input the aerial sequence with the walk mod as fast as possible.
I switched over to leverless for ultimate about a month before rivals came out. I played some of the betas on controller, but leverless just feels better IMO. They should definitely implement some rules for leverless, seeing as keyboard uses neutral socd but there isn't a standard for open source haybox controllers. Another downside with box is doing slight DI angles. Hitting 45 degrees is trivial, but doing any angle between 0 and 45 is way more difficult than on a standard controller
Yeah, leverless is the way to go for sure! 👍 Hopefully the devs implement something game side cause I would hate to have to check every leverless for software as a TO
Victrix BFG Pro has the best back paddles of any controller ive used and allows you to fully customize every input you want, while being ergonomic and quite sturdy. Definetly better than the GCN controller I used for years
@PixelBBee Victrix is especially cool cuz it has modular parts, you can have a PS4 layout, Xbox layout, remove the right-stick for 6 big microswitch face buttons. different profiles, stick rubbers (converse/concave), and you can even set a prefered depth of L2/R2 pressed. Incredible controller
I’m looking at that controller too with the PS4/PS5 variant and then getting the Hall effect modules to eliminate stick drift. The modules have issues with the Xbox version of the controller though. A Hall Effect leverless would probably trump that to be fair.
keyboard is interesting im currently playing rivals 2 with keyboard and i will say i just cant go back to controller anymore cuz it feels so slow moving the L-stick. the only real drawback i can think of that keyboard has is wavedash back since you'd either need to do a half circle motion or quarter circle motion to do it or use the walk modifer to do wavedash back (though from what i tested out on controller this problem also kinda exist but it isnt as prominent since you input the downback motion and inputs for wavedash fast. you can still do that on keyboard but it is pretty unrealiable). baby dashing is definitly possible though you do need to like tap the key fast and have it sort of do a half way input to get a baby dash. other than that it just the adjustment period and also something kinda curse that i do is that i remove the keys i dont use and change my spacebar's cap with like the shift key cap.
I had the same issue with wavedash back on my leverless. The way I "fixed" it is by jumping first then inputting back. But the way you described also was working for me! Stealing it! 😯
why you gonna do the gram slim like that and show B stock footage haha Btw for anyone looking for a leverless right now, look into the Gram slim. Speaking as someone who bought one 2+ weeks ago, they are readily available, cheap, have amazing build quality, and have (from my experience) the most professional company standing behind it of all the platform fighter leverless companies. I do think there is one major downside right now, which is software support. If you just want to play on default Rivals 2 layout like most people then this doesn't matter, but if you want to do a custom layout it is currently a pain to modify.
Yeah, the hitbox is definitely hard to get your mind around. It will be hard because every input has to be relearned but luckily, RoA2 was a head of the curve and added a walk mod, tilts, and Strongs button inputs for more accurate output once you get the hang of things. 🫡 it's 100 % worth!
In that case, it depends on budget. If you want something substantial, and scuf instinct/instinct pro is really good. Xbox has their own elite controller if you want a stock controller. If you want something cheap, most power A controllers have buttons on the back but they wear out quickly. Personally scuf was my choice when I was playing apex legends.
@PixelBBee Has paddles, Hall effect sticks, so no drift. Not notchable but the low-friction rings around the sticks make it super smooth. The HE version has tactile buttons which feel so much more responsive than normal membrane buttons to me. The SE has the normal buttons if that's what you prefer. Wired only, which i prefer, but costs only $45 on amazon. I also have a Satisfye Glyph pre ordered which should feel like a box controller with keyboard switches and has a lot of features
Anyone recommend a controller that doesn't have a huge stick radius? Maybe I'll get another nintendo pro for pc. The stick radius on the ps5 feels ginormous and the triggers for shield don't feel great.
Switch Pro Controller has a nice smaller form factor. You could alternatively mess around with stick height/ toppers on your PS5 controller first to see if that helps with the problem.
@@PixelBBee I could always dust off the old fight stick that I haven't used since guilty gear xrd. Could make for an interesting evening lol. Thx for the reply!
@@PixelBBee the Wizard splits to dock with the switch, but I can't remember if it also connects to PC. Make sure to check. A small thing they don't advertise, but I loved, is that the face buttons on the controller click like a mouse click. Super fast and responsive and clicky clicky. Not like any other controller I've had.
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As a Keyboard player, we are currently missing the ability to bind Taunts, bind keys for the Menu, and doing FTilts and Dairs can be unreliable, as every key is a full tilt, so in order to do them you have to use the Walk Modifier, which has a learning curve, as currently there is no *Double Tap to Run* in the game, so yeah.
I'm glad you esteem our controller and put it high on the list, but the current drawbacks do make it a bit more unwieldy to new players, or returning players from Rivals 1 for that matter... Which is weird to see, as Rivals 1 did have full Keyboard support, and is what I used for the entirety of the game, so it's really strange they would just forget about it like this.
It's really strange how Rivals 2 doesn't have keyboard controls like Rivals 1, I hope they fix that ASAP!the keyboard should be as good as a leverless. 😤
you can assign right stick down for Dairs without fastfalling. Aaaaand, they have just released a patch to assign taunt multiple buttons
@@ПавелРазувайло i was so happy when i saw that patch because the amount of times i have accidentally taunted mid-combo is insane
Ayyyyy GRAM mentioned. I love my Custom GRAM controller. Its def on the more affordable end of leverless controllers with great support from guys behind it. Also love my progcc. Its a super easy mod to do with very little experience to DIY since there is no soldering involved. But ultimately GCC is my true love
I love switching around controllers cause they all feel different to mess around with.
@@PixelBBee Thank you for giving us a try, love the vid!
Thank you for all of the love! ♥ Your DIY GRAM projects have been so sick, thanks for being awesome!
I just use a Xbox series controller with a few added parts to make it feel more Gamecuber. Its pretty cost effective if you get one cheap from amazon or ebay.
Xbox cocntroller - 44$
SCUF Pro Triggers Grip Kit- 24$ = Gives the controller trigger stops.
Octagonal Gated Sticks Accent Rings- 10$ - Easy way to makes the stick octagonal.
optional - GameSir Thumb Grip Pack-12$
If I wanted to go further I would probably solder in Hall sticks or TMR. But by itself just feels right for me personally.
That sounds like a good controller for any game! 🙏🏽
I've been using the Nyxi Warrior, and it's been amazing for everything EXCEPT the snapback. It's essentially a wireless GC controller but it has Hall Effect Joysticks, a left shoulder button, swappable controller gates (octagonal vs circular), adjustable shoulder button depth, and some other general features. However I can't consistently baby dash, I'll go maybe 2 or three in one direction, but then snapback will give me a pivot the other direction. I've even adjusted the deadzones to try and prevent it and it just snaps too far. As I said, I love everything else about it, and if you play GC I def recommend it, but the snapback is a struggle lol.
I HATE snapback. The more I hear about nyxi the more I'm thinking about getting it on black friday!
lol I loved the "snapback" in the intro. I giggled.
Thank you! I am hoping to add more meme edits in the future. 😎
@ but also great vid!
you actually dont need to solder to make your own custom leverless controller. just get wires with quick disconnects and use arcade buttons (there are arcade button housings that can take any kind of keyboard switch you want like gamerfinger) and its extremely simple and easy no soldering reqiured. speaking from personal experience
🤣 then there is literally no reason not to own a box!!!! That's awesome. Thanks for letting me know! 🙏🏽
@@PixelBBee no problem happy i could help!
I have to disagree with the Keyboard placement. I tried to use mine for a joke and BabyDashing was virtually impossible...
I appreciate the comment! In the future if a keyboard warrior doesn't rise to showcase it I'll give it up. 😭
Yeah I noticed the same thing. I guess it depends on your keyboard switches. Mine are MX browns
@biggestmvp1 I'm using Razer Greens, there's no physical way to press and release a direction within 3 frames.
this really has nothing to do with keyboard and everything to do with your switches (you guys already said that, ignore me)
@chocomilkfps1264 yeah it seems it's only possible with linear switches which is kinda annoying...
Coming back
To this after trying my own leverless. Here is a short list of challenges and ease of use moves i made. Any tips appreciated
Easy to perform: dash dance, moonwalk, wave dash, ledge dash, RAR, tilt out of run
Hard to perform: retreating aerials, in place aerials, angled moves(ex: fleet up special cancels), turn around in place, walk
What type of leverless are you using?
@ I use the Zappa
You'll have to assign a walk modifier to one of your buttons in order to walk. That will also allow you to turn around. As for retreating and in place air attacks, since you don't have a right stick like a b0xx or frame 1 you'll need to input the aerial sequence with the walk mod as fast as possible.
@ thx for the tips. I have the walk button now but find it unnatural as hell lol
You can turn on auto walk and the mod button will become a run button if that helps.
I switched over to leverless for ultimate about a month before rivals came out. I played some of the betas on controller, but leverless just feels better IMO. They should definitely implement some rules for leverless, seeing as keyboard uses neutral socd but there isn't a standard for open source haybox controllers. Another downside with box is doing slight DI angles. Hitting 45 degrees is trivial, but doing any angle between 0 and 45 is way more difficult than on a standard controller
Yeah, leverless is the way to go for sure! 👍 Hopefully the devs implement something game side cause I would hate to have to check every leverless for software as a TO
Victrix BFG Pro has the best back paddles of any controller ive used and allows you to fully customize every input you want, while being ergonomic and quite sturdy. Definetly better than the GCN controller I used for years
Wow! Seeing all these comments has really opened my eyes to just how many cool controllers are on the market. 🧐
@PixelBBee Victrix is especially cool cuz it has modular parts, you can have a PS4 layout, Xbox layout, remove the right-stick for 6 big microswitch face buttons. different profiles, stick rubbers (converse/concave), and you can even set a prefered depth of L2/R2 pressed. Incredible controller
I’m looking at that controller too with the PS4/PS5 variant and then getting the Hall effect modules to eliminate stick drift. The modules have issues with the Xbox version of the controller though. A Hall Effect leverless would probably trump that to be fair.
could you make a video of your leverless layout for rivals? getting mine soon so itd be nice to get an idea of how people have theirs mapped
Sure! That sounds like a fun ideal. 😁
Update! I made the video. 🥳
ua-cam.com/video/r5WQnSHUDvc/v-deo.html
keyboard is interesting im currently playing rivals 2 with keyboard and i will say i just cant go back to controller anymore cuz it feels so slow moving the L-stick. the only real drawback i can think of that keyboard has is wavedash back since you'd either need to do a half circle motion or quarter circle motion to do it or use the walk modifer to do wavedash back (though from what i tested out on controller this problem also kinda exist but it isnt as prominent since you input the downback motion and inputs for wavedash fast. you can still do that on keyboard but it is pretty unrealiable). baby dashing is definitly possible though you do need to like tap the key fast and have it sort of do a half way input to get a baby dash. other than that it just the adjustment period and also something kinda curse that i do is that i remove the keys i dont use and change my spacebar's cap with like the shift key cap.
I had the same issue with wavedash back on my leverless. The way I "fixed" it is by jumping first then inputting back.
But the way you described also was working for me! Stealing it! 😯
why you gonna do the gram slim like that and show B stock footage haha
Btw for anyone looking for a leverless right now, look into the Gram slim. Speaking as someone who bought one 2+ weeks ago, they are readily available, cheap, have amazing build quality, and have (from my experience) the most professional company standing behind it of all the platform fighter leverless companies. I do think there is one major downside right now, which is software support. If you just want to play on default Rivals 2 layout like most people then this doesn't matter, but if you want to do a custom layout it is currently a pain to modify.
I just ripped photos off the website 😅
Got nothing but love for the Gram. 🫶
We are just so happy that you're loving your GRAM! Thank you for the kind words!
@@GRAMCTRL what the, you all are everywhere lmao
@@chocomilkfps1264 😝 we really are LMFAO
@@PixelBBee Thank you for the love!! You ROCK!
is underrated better then better?
They are about the same. I feel like they can only get better as time goes on.
Sleeping on the m30 fight pads
😭 I have never seen this before omg it's so sick!!!
Could you put links where to buy all these options?
Great suggestion, I can make an update shortly. 🫡
Updated the description with the link!!! enjoy browsing!
keyboard doesn't work on linux. not "any computer"
That's strange. Thanks for the info! Hope that changes for the Linux users.🙂↕️
It works fine for me even on Wayland. Just use proton experimental.
My keyboard works with the game, I am using Bazzite and proton experimental
Ive been debating trying to swap to my hitbox. Not having a c stick just feels unnatural for me.
Like do extra DI tool and aerial drift manipulation
Yeah, the hitbox is definitely hard to get your mind around. It will be hard because every input has to be relearned but luckily, RoA2 was a head of the curve and added a walk mod, tilts, and Strongs button inputs for more accurate output once you get the hang of things. 🫡 it's 100 % worth!
Keyboards and leverless might just be the future peope are just opposed to learn
For sure! I am sure there will be some keyboard players appearing from the new gen roa2 players 💯
what’s a good xbox controller with back buttons/ paddles?
Definitely better tier. Second best depending on controller body preference. 👍
@ thank u but meant like do u have any recommendations so i can buy one
In that case, it depends on budget. If you want something substantial, and scuf instinct/instinct pro is really good. Xbox has their own elite controller if you want a stock controller. If you want something cheap, most power A controllers have buttons on the back but they wear out quickly.
Personally scuf was my choice when I was playing apex legends.
@@PixelBBee thank u!
Gamesir G7 HE for the boiz!
That's a nice looking controller!
@PixelBBee Has paddles, Hall effect sticks, so no drift. Not notchable but the low-friction rings around the sticks make it super smooth. The HE version has tactile buttons which feel so much more responsive than normal membrane buttons to me. The SE has the normal buttons if that's what you prefer. Wired only, which i prefer, but costs only $45 on amazon.
I also have a Satisfye Glyph pre ordered which should feel like a box controller with keyboard switches and has a lot of features
Anyone recommend a controller that doesn't have a huge stick radius? Maybe I'll get another nintendo pro for pc. The stick radius on the ps5 feels ginormous and the triggers for shield don't feel great.
Switch Pro Controller has a nice smaller form factor. You could alternatively mess around with stick height/ toppers on your PS5 controller first to see if that helps with the problem.
@@PixelBBee I could always dust off the old fight stick that I haven't used since guilty gear xrd. Could make for an interesting evening lol. Thx for the reply!
Have fun! If the fight stick doesn't have analog input for a control stick, remember you can assign a walk mod to a button. 🙏🏽
is this tier list in reverse
Yes. 🥸
Where is my ps4 controller😢
Feel free to replace the ps5 controller with the ps4 controller. 🤫
I made a boxx for like 20$
WOW! That's even better than I thought. 😲
NYXI?
High key looks like a controller I would use. Better tier if the build quality is good.
@PixelBBee I have the NYXI Warrior I bought specifically for Rivals. I love it.
@@xephyr417 I might have to get myself one! i think the split controller would go hard for my switch.
@@PixelBBee the Wizard splits to dock with the switch, but I can't remember if it also connects to PC. Make sure to check.
A small thing they don't advertise, but I loved, is that the face buttons on the controller click like a mouse click. Super fast and responsive and clicky clicky. Not like any other controller I've had.
The best is whichever you like.
Clickbait bull.
The best will always be what you enjoy the most, but I think when talking about absolutes, leverless will always have an inherent advantage.