The fact that Val kilmer was denied an Oscar for his portrayal of doc Holliday is one of the biggest mistakes ever made in the history of the Oscars. In fact the whole movie was grossly ignored and even though the events are not portrayed 100% accurately in the movie it is still the best tombstone movie that has been made as far as entertainment value goes.
I was a teenager back then and I can tell you westerns were not in. Only true enthusiasts watched those movies. Everybody else was watching speed and die hard and so on.
Growing up as a Californian, we always took great pride and interest in the pioneers and frontiersmen and cowboys and lawmen throughout the Wild West that made it possible for America today to stretch from coast to coast. Doc Holliday and the Earps are arguably my favorites, especially Holliday given all that he was battling. May the Lord always preserve their memories 🙏🏽✝️🙏🏽
Years ago when I flew Blackhawks, I attended the high altitude mountain flying school in Eagle, Colorado. I flew my wife out commercial. My instructor was a Coast Guard guy and an amateur historian. He told me to have my wife meet us in Leadville, CO and we would fly our helicopters out there to land at the highest elevation airport in the country. 10k feet. We went to lunch and my instructor took my wife and I with his wife over to a saloon. He told me he knew I liked history and wanted me to see the location of Doc Holidays last gunfight. Apparently he owed the sheriff some money and the sheriff came looking for him. The front door had a wind break that required a person to enter, turn 90* to get past the windbreak before they could enter the saloon. Holiday crouched down behind a table waiting for the sheriff to come in and simply ambushed him. That was his last gunfight. We went to his grave some days later in Glenwood Springs as we left one of the many great steak houses there. I live just north of Griffin, GA and did not know he was born there. Great content! S/F
I’m sure he wasn’t the character that Val Kilmer portrayed him as, but that is my favorite story tale version of him. I see from the comments that I’m not alone. “I’m your huckleberry” Just a great line. Thanks for another good video
I always find it intriguing to think think about a I'll tempered gambler with a fatal disease, but also a well-educated person who knew multiple languages, and was naturally interested in medicine and dentistry.
Even the parts of history I've studied never goes as deep as you do Mr. Heaton and it makes very grateful for the work you do. Better producers of historical events do not exist, you are a monopoly in a saturated field. Thank you again good sir and God bless you and yours.
@@BrettShadow Well ya know, since none of us were there who can say one way or the other. So why should I or anyone else take your word, unless you are 150+ years old and at least knew someone who witnessed everything I suppose I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss you. No offense, I wouldn't expect you to beLIEve me either, anyway I still hope you have a great day.
@@BrettShadow Thanks man, and for the most part I know you're right. It's called History because it's His Story, meaning whomever won gets to make it up. Yer alright, you are obviously not a hypocrite or quick to get emotional. You have my respect good sir.
Did Doc Holliday ever say, “I’m your huckleberry “? That was so clutch in Tombstone. Got to the end and I appreciate that you brought this iconic line up. So cool. Five minutes after I die, know one will know I lived. We still know Doc Holliday to this day. Kind of amazing.
It is not known whether he said it or not. A fictionalized book about him published 40 years after he died, is the earliest reference to him uttering that phrase.
@@BrettShadow ohhhh did you take something I said personally? Sure seems you did. Simply presenting information not contained here by people who know more than I or you. But in your case that isnt hard as you are clearly easy to anger and easy to offend. Take offense where none was given, make yourself look like an ass like a PRO!!! GFY
Love American West history! Great video! It was fun visiting Tombstone and Bisbee when we lived in AZ. Tombstone was a great movie, Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday was my favorite character, very likable but sad fellow. Seems like he portrayed the real man very accurately. A George Hearst biography I read said he was in Tombstone during OK Corral shooting, though not present on scene. He was researching and eventually obtained a mining claim near there. Though he avoided interactions with the Earps, being warned they were trouble. Hearst was advised to avoid going to Tombstone at that time due to the news of feuds and the danger of potential clashes. Seems the warning was valid! Hearst ignored it and his claim made him a lot money. When the earth speaks to Hearst and beckons him, nothing gets in the way! It is so interesting how famous historical characters cross paths by mere chance.
It's interesting how things overlap. We think of this time as "The Wild West", but Denver got it's first telephones in 1879 and Tombstone got it's first phones in 1881. Denver had electricity in 1883. Pretty modern all in all.
If you moved from a city today to a city without access to smartphones. You'd consider them pretty wild. I know because I'm Mexican and thus have easy access to the juxtaposition of it in the border. Back in those days (early smartphone days) you'd either go from normal tech city to ghetto town or from normal town to high tech city. The difference was night and day with something as simple as the widely available touch screen phone. I imagine going form having electricity and a phone to none of that. Even if going back in time just for a day, it was night and day. Everytime after a major storm cities or states suddenly change for a few weeks and you can FEEL the sudden lack of amenities. We take the difference between techs for granted because we are so used to them always being there and constantly moving forward that we can no longer imagine what it was like "before it all was what it is"
@@enriquecabrera2137 I'm 70 years old and I grew up in the very rural Ozarks. In the 1950s and 1960s many people did not have running water or phones. My parents could not get a land line until 1975. Just too much wire to run.
I can't help it but Wyat Earp is one historical character I can't resist to look at! And how polirized his legacy is as well with histirians and amature historians can bring up same events, and yet tell them so different because they are more or less told with personal opinions of the man, good like bad. But how he was involved in so many gun-fights and apperently never was himself hit by any bullets is truly legend!
Another excellent presentation! Kilmer painted a fairly accurate picture of the magnificent creature Holiday was. This presentation verifies the unusual highly educated aspect of the man. "a philosopher who life had made a caustic wit." I follow on Patreon, avoiding the commercial breaks.
As usual, you fit all the puzzle pieces together, including Bat Masterson's involvement. But one thing never changes: the slander & sin of bearing false witness.
Thanks for this report, Colin. Even we who grew up and remain living in the west are often fooled by the rumored verbal historic accounts and certainly what we were raised with by Hollyweird productions (there are no mountains at Dodge City or Dallas). Now, pushing 70 I wonder how many amazing stories I have missed.
Leadville, Colorado (mentioned at 19:11 in the video) is pronounced like "Led-ville," not like "Leed-ville." It got its name from the plentiful lead ore mined in the area. Fine video. Thank you for posting this one!
My Dad was a huge fan of the James brothers, the Earps and Doc Holiday. He would buy the old west magazines and read all the stories and spins us kids tales about them. He would have liked this segment, though I think he would have enjoyed debating you on the different points more. lol
@@DortonFarb I don't know because I haven't seen this movie. Was that line in the movie spoken by Kilmer? Whoever said this quoted line, it was a great quote, whether it was said Holiday or someone else. And maybe it was an actual quote by Holiday in a fictionalized movie. I don't care whether the movie was fictionalized or not or whether the quote was from Holiday or not. It's a great line.
I grew up in Valdosta and just south of there across the Fl GA line there is a spring on the river with a memorial to Doc Holiday. Supposedly something happened there. Another thing is they had his or one of his family members homes refurbished and moved into a nice neighborhood is Valdosta, GA. That still stands today.
Earp meets Doc, chasing after Dave Rudabaugh for Pinkertons. Dave Rudabaugh later rode with Billy the Kid...... Dave Rudabaugh taught Doc to shoot, and Doc taught Dave cards. FORGOTTEN HISTORY.....indeed.
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL would you please look into the life of Miles Maryott who was my best friend's great uncle. He won the national marksman award and worked with Buffalo Bill Cody in his wild west show. He had one off and prototype firearms made for and given to him by companies like Winchester and he was a taxaderm and artist whose paintings still hang in some government buildings and private collections in I believe Lincoln Nebraska. He got into a gunfight with his best friend who happened to he sheriff over a woman and I he shot his friend I don't think he killed him and the judge gave him 20 yrs or something in prison but because he was so famous and a hero and legend that they didn't lock the jail cell door and he could come and go as he pleased. He spent his time painting his nature scenes and they sold for lots of money. When he died my best friend's father John Maryott, Miles nephew was willed incredible native American beaded moccasins and headdress and chest plate plus a Blunderbuss, a one off prototype Winchester 22 LR rifle, some other items and the silver medallion he won for being the best shot in the U.S. which John had set to hang from a silver chain which he wore around his neck everyday until his death around the year 2000. I think the world should know about this amazing man's life and his fame shouldn't be forgotten. There is something in his story about owning the first automobile in his city like a Lincoln and how he either bought it or it was given to him and he drove it around like a crazy man. Miles had a drinking problem I believe which ran in the family and passed down to his nephew John and John Jr, my best friend of over 40 yrs til he died about 5 years ago.
The grave of Doc is very much questionable as the actual resting place of Doc. His actual grave site was lost due to blizzard conditions and poor record keeping. Basically, a place was chosen and a tombstone erected regarding Doc. If you don’t believe me, do some research.
Victor Mature played Doc as a foppish Holiday delicately coughing into a silk handkerchief in John Ford's "My Darling Clementine", not a Dentist but a surgeon who saved Linda Darnell's life with emergency surgery, later killed at the OK Corral. As maybe the most wildly inaccurate fictional Doc.
fun fact, Dak Holliday was actually a gambler, and he was a dentist occasionally practiced dentistry and was married to a prostitute named big nose Kate before he was before he felt ill due to tuberculosis
You've got that all mixed up. John's nickname was "Doc", not "Dak". He was a dentist. He caught tuberculosis from his mother. His tuberculosis killed his dental practice, so then he became a professional gambler.
Looking it up, I'm your Huckleberry means I'm your man, Huckleberry being man for the job. 1880s Wild West, who knows. It's probably the best and worst time to be alive. We are missing that wild spirit that separate Americans from the rest of the world.
Holiday led a storied life . He did have share a romance with his cousin the had him he sent away. Strange to me a Southerner befreinding Yankees who were tied poltically with Wells Fargo and The Pinkertons. I do not get the payoff for him there. Another great biography and i thank you.
Thanks for another great presentation. In addition to the list of notable portrayals of Doc, I'd like to add two of my all time faves: James Griffith in Masterson of Kansas and Jason Robards in Hour of the Gun. As much as I liked Kilmer's take in Tombstone, I'd have to rank Griffith a close second...
He actually never said “I’m your huckleberry” he said I’m your Huckle bearer meaning he would carry the casket. Huckles are the handles on the side of the casket.
No, dummy. PLEASE stop posting stupid stuff like that. The script said "huckleberry". Kilmer said "huckleberry". Kilmer has repeatedly debunked your claim, to include doing so on page 166 of the book he wrote, titled "I'm Your Huckleberry".
The old doctors office in Griffin Georgia became a bar. Our band used to play there frequently and there was an upstairs not allowed to the public. The owner would tell us stories about things around the bar being out of place in the morning and hearing noises in the upstairs when no one was up there. He allowed us to go up there one night to check it out and all 5 of us got goosebumps at the same time with a feeling of dread overtaking us. This was in the days before CCTV but it makes one wonder if Doc returned home after his passing.
Silly question but what does the guy in war say in the intro right before the explosion? I hear it in every video and can never figure out what he says.
There are a number of inaccuracies in this video, and that's only to the 10 minute mark. 1. After leaving Dallas, Holliday didn't go to Kansas, but drifted west to Ft. Griffin. 2. Holliday didn't first meet Wyatt in Kansas either. Holliday was dealing Faro in Ft. Griffin when Wyatt came through. Wyatt was working as a US Marshall I believe, and was looking for info on the man he was pursuing (Dave Rudabaugh). Wyatt found a friend of his there and asked if he might know which way Rudabaugh was headed. Wyatt's friend told him he didn't know, but that he knew someone who likely did. It was then that their mutual friend introduced Wyatt and Holliday. 3. I could be off on this one as I'm going off memory here, but as I recall. Holliday didn't follow Wyatt to Tombstone. He was actually headed there before Wyatt was. It was only because while on his way to Tombstone that Holliday went on an apparently legendary winning streak at the tables that The Earps arrived first. As it was considered bad luck to abandon while on a winning streak. 4. Wyatt didn't deputize Holliday shortly before the gunfight at the OK Corral. It was Virgil who did, as he was the only person able to do so. Wyatt had only himself been deputized minutes earlier. If you're going to give an account of history, it's important to be as accurate as possible. This many mistakes in only the first half of the video is in rather poor form.
Incredible and wonderful historical coverage episode about Doc.Holiday and other popular heroes beneath American society prospectives.those heroes were from wild west shooters and violence adventures in reality they lived miserable lives in theirs lifetimes ...thank you an excellent ( forgotten history) channel for sharing
Feared? Never killed anybody before Tombstone and maybe after. Johnny Ringo was a suicide. Doc stabbed Ed Bailey but he lived . In denver he and a guy emptied their guns at each other and hit nothing
Pulp Novels and Hollywood took great liberties with Doc Holliday's life. It's tough to figure out facts from fiction to out-and-out lies. Again, the "Wild Wild West" era was not as wild as dime novels or Holly or lawless as Hollywood would suggest. The West was mostly settled by Civil War veterans, most of whom worked hard to make a living. They were the sort who would not put up with the nonsense depicted in dime novels and Hollywood movies. The taming of the West is, well, our Heroic Myth, and when it comes to Doc Holliday, well, Val Kilmer is by far the gold standard.
Also according to movie director John Ford who knew Wyatt Earp the dust that settled at the OK Corral was caused by a stage coach driving by which made the fight hard to see..
Lol. John Ford was born in Maine 13 years after the gunfight, and it didn't happen at the OK Corral. It happened one street over and six doors west of the OK Corral.
I live in Denison TX. Doc spent some time here after his troubles in Dallas. He had a dentists office for a minute before yet again leaving town due to gambling issues.
Why are the comments referring to the Hollywood Actor, Val Kilmer? Let’s get grip people. Doc Holliday has nothing to do with Val Kilmer. We live in the Matrix for sure.
Can you cover John Frank Oldfield and the black hand ive never seen it covered anywhere besides the book and a few mentions of black hand and petrosino in peaky blinders but apparently John frank took down the blackhand and it was never covered in our history
The fact that Val kilmer was denied an Oscar for his portrayal of doc Holliday is one of the biggest mistakes ever made in the history of the Oscars. In fact the whole movie was grossly ignored and even though the events are not portrayed 100% accurately in the movie it is still the best tombstone movie that has been made as far as entertainment value goes.
He was even better in Comanche Moon.
I was a teenager back then and I can tell you westerns were not in. Only true enthusiasts watched those movies. Everybody else was watching speed and die hard and so on.
@@ganiniiiyou still have to appreciate a good movie though.
Lol, "not portrayed 100% accurately" is a MASSIVE understatement.
@@YernBelfus400 Yeah that's covered under poetic license lol
Still in our memory because of Val Kilmer
That might be favorite part in any movie ever. He owned that role
I'm your huckleberry
MK ultra braindead libtard. Fuck Hollywood!
@@shanenolan5625Phag
At the mention of Doc’s name is it Val’s that you see?
Growing up as a Californian, we always took great pride and interest in the pioneers and frontiersmen and cowboys and lawmen throughout the Wild West that made it possible for America today to stretch from coast to coast. Doc Holliday and the Earps are arguably my favorites, especially Holliday given all that he was battling. May the Lord always preserve their memories 🙏🏽✝️🙏🏽
Doc Holliday had a dental practice in Denison Texas. Each year we have the Saints and Sinners festival that celebrates Doc Holliday and the Wild West
Years ago when I flew Blackhawks, I attended the high altitude mountain flying school in Eagle, Colorado. I flew my wife out commercial. My instructor was a Coast Guard guy and an amateur historian. He told me to have my wife meet us in Leadville, CO and we would fly our helicopters out there to land at the highest elevation airport in the country. 10k feet.
We went to lunch and my instructor took my wife and I with his wife over to a saloon. He told me he knew I liked history and wanted me to see the location of Doc Holidays last gunfight.
Apparently he owed the sheriff some money and the sheriff came looking for him. The front door had a wind break that required a person to enter, turn 90* to get past the windbreak before they could enter the saloon. Holiday crouched down behind a table waiting for the sheriff to come in and simply ambushed him. That was his last gunfight.
We went to his grave some days later in Glenwood Springs as we left one of the many great steak houses there.
I live just north of Griffin, GA and did not know he was born there. Great content!
S/F
Thanks for watching and for your service. I flew on many UH-60s
I’m sure he wasn’t the character that Val Kilmer portrayed him as, but that is my favorite story tale version of him. I see from the comments that I’m not alone.
“I’m your huckleberry”
Just a great line. Thanks for another good video
I always find it intriguing to think think about a I'll tempered gambler with a fatal disease, but also a well-educated person who knew multiple languages, and was naturally interested in medicine and dentistry.
Even the parts of history I've studied never goes as deep as you do Mr. Heaton and it makes very grateful for the work you do. Better producers of historical events do not exist, you are a monopoly in a saturated field. Thank you again good sir and God bless you and yours.
Thank you kindly
@@BrettShadow Well ya know, since none of us were there who can say one way or the other. So why should I or anyone else take your word, unless you are 150+ years old and at least knew someone who witnessed everything I suppose I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss you. No offense, I wouldn't expect you to beLIEve me either, anyway I still hope you have a great day.
@@BrettShadow Thanks man, and for the most part I know you're right. It's called History because it's His Story, meaning whomever won gets to make it up. Yer alright, you are obviously not a hypocrite or quick to get emotional. You have my respect good sir.
This episode has to be one of my favorites in your series. Thank you for making history engaging and intriguing. I appreciate all your hard work.
Wow, thank you!
My truck in Afghanistan was named Doc Holliday
Warpig for me. Lav type
@@kiethstone9400 Nice. RG-33 for me
That's a fire nickname!
We had a camper van hire company here called “doc holidays”! Greetings from Torbay, New Zealand.
I hope the plates said "I'm your Huckabee" ❤
Did Doc Holliday ever say, “I’m your huckleberry “? That was so clutch in Tombstone. Got to the end and I appreciate that you brought this iconic line up. So cool. Five minutes after I die, know one will know I lived. We still know Doc Holliday to this day. Kind of amazing.
Agreed. Awesome line
It is not known whether he said it or not. A fictionalized book about him published 40 years after he died, is the earliest reference to him uttering that phrase.
It's not Huckleberry. It's huckle bearer. That's the handles on caskets, and huckle bearers are the men that carry them.
@@BrettShadow ohhhh did you take something I said personally? Sure seems you did. Simply presenting information not contained here by people who know more than I or you. But in your case that isnt hard as you are clearly easy to anger and easy to offend. Take offense where none was given, make yourself look like an ass like a PRO!!! GFY
@Montana_lifestyle Wrong. This has been repeatedly debunked. Please stop posting stupid stuff.
Love American West history! Great video! It was fun visiting Tombstone and Bisbee when we lived in AZ. Tombstone was a great movie, Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday was my favorite character, very likable but sad fellow. Seems like he portrayed the real man very accurately. A George Hearst biography I read said he was in Tombstone during OK Corral shooting, though not present on scene. He was researching and eventually obtained a mining claim near there. Though he avoided interactions with the Earps, being warned they were trouble. Hearst was advised to avoid going to Tombstone at that time due to the news of feuds and the danger of potential clashes. Seems the warning was valid! Hearst ignored it and his claim made him a lot money. When the earth speaks to Hearst and beckons him, nothing gets in the way! It is so interesting how famous historical characters cross paths by mere chance.
It's interesting how things overlap. We think of this time as "The Wild West", but Denver got it's first telephones in 1879 and Tombstone got it's first phones in 1881. Denver had electricity in 1883. Pretty modern all in all.
If you moved from a city today to a city without access to smartphones. You'd consider them pretty wild. I know because I'm Mexican and thus have easy access to the juxtaposition of it in the border. Back in those days (early smartphone days) you'd either go from normal tech city to ghetto town or from normal town to high tech city. The difference was night and day with something as simple as the widely available touch screen phone.
I imagine going form having electricity and a phone to none of that. Even if going back in time just for a day, it was night and day. Everytime after a major storm cities or states suddenly change for a few weeks and you can FEEL the sudden lack of amenities.
We take the difference between techs for granted because we are so used to them always being there and constantly moving forward that we can no longer imagine what it was like "before it all was what it is"
@@enriquecabrera2137 I'm 70 years old and I grew up in the very rural Ozarks. In the 1950s and 1960s many people did not have running water or phones. My parents could not get a land line until 1975. Just too much wire to run.
@@Ammo08 Thhe ozarks are wild land even today lol
I can't help it but Wyat Earp is one historical character I can't resist to look at! And how polirized his legacy is as well with histirians and amature historians can bring up same events, and yet tell them so different because they are more or less told with personal opinions of the man, good like bad.
But how he was involved in so many gun-fights and apperently never was himself hit by any bullets is truly legend!
Lol. Sounds like you know very little about Wyatt Earp.
@@YernBelfus400 Don't get the Lol part, but why I can't say Im an historical expert on him, I know still a big deal.
Your channel popped up on my UA-cam a couple of weeks ago. I love it. Val Kilmer is the ever Doc Holliday. Thank you for making these episodes.
You are so welcome!
Another excellent presentation! Kilmer painted a fairly accurate picture of the magnificent creature Holiday was. This presentation verifies the unusual highly educated aspect of the man. "a philosopher who life had made a caustic wit." I follow on Patreon, avoiding the commercial breaks.
As usual, you fit all the puzzle pieces together, including Bat Masterson's involvement. But one thing never changes: the slander & sin of bearing false witness.
I'm your Huckleberry" great video, as a Brit I love stuff about the Wild West and American history in general. 🇬🇧💖🇺🇸
Awesome! Thank you!
Our history is very much a part of your history ✌️
Thanks for this report, Colin. Even we who grew up and remain living in the west are often fooled by the rumored verbal historic accounts and certainly what we were raised with by Hollyweird productions (there are no mountains at Dodge City or Dallas). Now, pushing 70 I wonder how many amazing stories I have missed.
Saw a vid on hygiene of the old west and since then, haven't looked at movies or docs of the old west the same.
Right? Ain't like Gunsmoke is it?
Saw Tombstone for the first time when I was a kid. Still one of my favorite movies.
It's almost entirely fictional.
@@YernBelfus400 Most movies are. Doesn't detract from the fact I like the movie.
THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! one of my favorite eras. ❤ forgotten history ❤.
Our pleasure!
Another outstanding job. Thanks for your dedication and research.
Leadville, Colorado (mentioned at 19:11 in the video) is pronounced like "Led-ville," not like "Leed-ville."
It got its name from the plentiful lead ore mined in the area.
Fine video. Thank you for posting this one!
Thanks for the correction and for watching!
My Dad was a huge fan of the James brothers, the Earps and Doc Holiday. He would buy the old west magazines and read all the stories and spins us kids tales about them. He would have liked this segment, though I think he would have enjoyed debating you on the different points more. lol
"I have two guns... One for each of ya."
Evidently mr ringo is an educated man, now i really hate em.
Why look, the most feared gunslinger this side of the Mississippi.
Poor ole lowell didnt see that coming
Say when....
Tombstone was awesome,Val Kilmer performance was awesome. So was all the actors
That movie, and every other movie about that incident, is almost entirely fictional.
Stole the show. Upstaged Kurt Russell, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, and more. Wow, that's some feat.
"I'm your buckle, Harry"
- drunk Doc Holliday
Extremely good work. My appreciation, gentlemen.
Glad you enjoyed it!
One of the most badass characters in film.
This video isn't about a movie character, it's about a person.
@@DortonFarba person portrayed badassedly in film
There's an interesting quote attributed to Doc Holiday, "There is no normal life. Only life."
Lol. That's just a movie line, from a highly fictionalized movie.
@@DortonFarb I don't know because I haven't seen this movie. Was that line in the movie spoken by Kilmer?
Whoever said this quoted line, it was a great quote, whether it was said Holiday or someone else. And maybe it was an actual quote by Holiday in a fictionalized movie. I don't care whether the movie was fictionalized or not or whether the quote was from Holiday or not. It's a great line.
Thanks for watching
I’m a cashier who has a handle bar mustache a lot of my older customers call me “doc” because of my mustache 😂😂😂
Don't forget Adam West played him in the Lawman TV show in 1959. Two Batman actors played him.
I grew up in Valdosta and just south of there across the Fl GA line there is a spring on the river with a memorial to Doc Holiday. Supposedly something happened there. Another thing is they had his or one of his family members homes refurbished and moved into a nice neighborhood is Valdosta, GA. That still stands today.
Thanks for laying out the facts as you know them
Earp meets Doc, chasing after Dave Rudabaugh for Pinkertons.
Dave Rudabaugh later rode with Billy the Kid......
Dave Rudabaugh taught Doc to shoot, and Doc taught Dave cards.
FORGOTTEN HISTORY.....indeed.
Thanks for watching
always look forward to your videos. Thank you!
My pleasure!
Great video. Thank you.
Thanks for watching
@@FORGOTTENHISTORYCHANNEL would you please look into the life of Miles Maryott who was my best friend's great uncle. He won the national marksman award and worked with Buffalo Bill Cody in his wild west show. He had one off and prototype firearms made for and given to him by companies like Winchester and he was a taxaderm and artist whose paintings still hang in some government buildings and private collections in I believe Lincoln Nebraska. He got into a gunfight with his best friend who happened to he sheriff over a woman and I he shot his friend I don't think he killed him and the judge gave him 20 yrs or something in prison but because he was so famous and a hero and legend that they didn't lock the jail cell door and he could come and go as he pleased. He spent his time painting his nature scenes and they sold for lots of money. When he died my best friend's father John Maryott, Miles nephew was willed incredible native American beaded moccasins and headdress and chest plate plus a Blunderbuss, a one off prototype Winchester 22 LR rifle, some other items and the silver medallion he won for being the best shot in the U.S. which John had set to hang from a silver chain which he wore around his neck everyday until his death around the year 2000.
I think the world should know about this amazing man's life and his fame shouldn't be forgotten. There is something in his story about owning the first automobile in his city like a Lincoln and how he either bought it or it was given to him and he drove it around like a crazy man. Miles had a drinking problem I believe which ran in the family and passed down to his nephew John and John Jr, my best friend of over 40 yrs til he died about 5 years ago.
Unfortunately the photo used in the video is not Doc Holliday but John Escapule. The mayor of Tombstone is his relative and can confirm this.
Thanks for watching
“Now I really hate him.”
Holliday certainly had one impressive moustache.
LOL
He was born with a cleft lip that was repaired as a child ,I think it was to cover the scar
@@Warcrimeenthusiast didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing.
@crocodiledundee8685 anytime
The grave of Doc is very much questionable as the actual resting place of Doc. His actual grave site was lost due to blizzard conditions and poor record keeping. Basically, a place was chosen and a tombstone erected regarding Doc. If you don’t believe me, do some research.
Great video! Thank you, Colin!
I’ll always love the tales and the characters from the frontier days such an intriguing era of humanity’s story
Apparently after the famous gun fight his verdict "that was horrible!! Just horrible!!" hardly the grandstanding of a remorseless killer
Thanks for watching
New FORGOTTEN HISTORY just dropped
Victor Mature played Doc as a foppish Holiday delicately coughing into a silk handkerchief in John Ford's "My Darling Clementine", not a Dentist but a surgeon who saved Linda Darnell's life with emergency surgery, later killed at the OK Corral. As maybe the most wildly inaccurate fictional Doc.
fun fact, Dak Holliday was actually a gambler, and he was a dentist occasionally practiced dentistry and was married to a prostitute named big nose Kate before he was before he felt ill due to tuberculosis
You've got that all mixed up. John's nickname was "Doc", not "Dak". He was a dentist. He caught tuberculosis from his mother. His tuberculosis killed his dental practice, so then he became a professional gambler.
@ I know I realized that when I typed it or text to speech it in it messed up that’s my bed
An educated man.
“I’m your huckleberry”
Looking it up, I'm your Huckleberry means I'm your man, Huckleberry being man for the job. 1880s Wild West, who knows. It's probably the best and worst time to be alive. We are missing that wild spirit that separate Americans from the rest of the world.
Holiday led a storied life .
He did have share a romance with his cousin the had him he sent away.
Strange to me a Southerner befreinding Yankees who were tied poltically with Wells Fargo and The Pinkertons. I do not get the payoff for him there.
Another great biography and i thank you.
At that point in his life he probably needed a friend and just didn't give a damn
Thanks for another great presentation. In addition to the list of notable portrayals of Doc, I'd like to add two of my all time faves: James Griffith in Masterson of Kansas and Jason Robards in Hour of the Gun. As much as I liked Kilmer's take in Tombstone, I'd have to rank Griffith a close second...
Tombstone was the best movie ever.
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Very well done, thank you for sharing
Thank you! Cheers!
Where I got my name from; even though I'm a paramedic folks still greet me as "Doc" even in civilian life.
He actually never said “I’m your huckleberry” he said I’m your Huckle bearer meaning he would carry the casket. Huckles are the handles on the side of the casket.
No, dummy. PLEASE stop posting stupid stuff like that. The script said "huckleberry". Kilmer said "huckleberry". Kilmer has repeatedly debunked your claim, to include doing so on page 166 of the book he wrote, titled "I'm Your Huckleberry".
Thanks Colin
A dentist with a cough, ugh.
No wonder he had to give it up.
The version with Val Kilmer in it is my favorite of the versions made.
This is a video about John Holliday, not about the actor who portrayed him in an almost entirely fictional movie.
You're no daisy! - Val Kilmer
Tombstone and Kilmer performance resonates today. Anytime that movie is on I watch. Liberties or not it is legend.
My first job at was 16 was Doc Holliday’s Game Emporium
Doc Holliday was such a badass that the band Volbeat even made a song about him.
Excellent Tnx. Tombstone was great movie. Kilmer always plays a great hero. The Ghost and the Darkness another epic movie.
"Tombstone" was almost entirely fictional.
30 seconds is a long time at the distance they were shooting each other
Fearless and never stood behind the shadow of any self-righteous man. I only wonder if the Lord showed mercy upon his soul, faults and [all].
There is an indica strain called Doc Holliday. It's pretty effing primo. It's my Huckleberry.
Sounds like your illegal Controlled Substances Act Schedule-1 psychotropic narcotic drugs talking.
I was passing through Valdosta at beginning of this video🎉
The paintings used in this video are awesome 👍
The old doctors office in Griffin Georgia became a bar. Our band used to play there frequently and there was an upstairs not allowed to the public. The owner would tell us stories about things around the bar being out of place in the morning and hearing noises in the upstairs when no one was up there. He allowed us to go up there one night to check it out and all 5 of us got goosebumps at the same time with a feeling of dread overtaking us. This was in the days before CCTV but it makes one wonder if Doc returned home after his passing.
Imagine what they were teaching in that dentistry school. “Okay they’ve obviously got ghosts in their teeth so prescribe them a boat load of cocaine”
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Globe is about 200 miles from Tombstone.
Hopefully there was a train connection.
I believe that had to be a commute
Silly question but what does the guy in war say in the intro right before the explosion? I hear it in every video and can never figure out what he says.
Do you men "fire in the hole"? That is a warning to others.
Oh is that it! It sounds like “ohhh bowl!” Lol thanks.
I could've been one of his friends. Thank you Colin.
There are a number of inaccuracies in this video, and that's only to the 10 minute mark.
1. After leaving Dallas, Holliday didn't go to Kansas, but drifted west to Ft. Griffin.
2. Holliday didn't first meet Wyatt in Kansas either. Holliday was dealing Faro in Ft. Griffin when Wyatt came through. Wyatt was working as a US Marshall I believe, and was looking for info on the man he was pursuing (Dave Rudabaugh). Wyatt found a friend of his there and asked if he might know which way Rudabaugh was headed. Wyatt's friend told him he didn't know, but that he knew someone who likely did. It was then that their mutual friend introduced Wyatt and Holliday.
3. I could be off on this one as I'm going off memory here, but as I recall. Holliday didn't follow Wyatt to Tombstone. He was actually headed there before Wyatt was. It was only because while on his way to Tombstone that Holliday went on an apparently legendary winning streak at the tables that The Earps arrived first. As it was considered bad luck to abandon while on a winning streak.
4. Wyatt didn't deputize Holliday shortly before the gunfight at the OK Corral. It was Virgil who did, as he was the only person able to do so. Wyatt had only himself been deputized minutes earlier.
If you're going to give an account of history, it's important to be as accurate as possible. This many mistakes in only the first half of the video is in rather poor form.
Using the published accounts, and many have conflicting data
Incredible and wonderful historical coverage episode about Doc.Holiday and other popular heroes beneath American society prospectives.those heroes were from wild west shooters and violence adventures in reality they lived miserable lives in theirs lifetimes ...thank you an excellent ( forgotten history) channel for sharing
Love this channel.
Feared? Never killed anybody before Tombstone and maybe after. Johnny Ringo was a suicide. Doc stabbed Ed Bailey but he lived
. In denver he and a guy emptied their guns at each other and hit nothing
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The picture used of the guy with the imperial is not doc Holliday.
Love your content.
I appreciate that!
Thank you sir.
This was a very good talk
Glad you liked it!
My Darling Clementine was forgotten and was more iconic because of those involved in it.
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Was Dr . Holiday more than gun 🔫 fighter 💪 than Machine Gun 🔫 Kelly of 1930's fame 😳?
Do not think so
Pulp Novels and Hollywood took great liberties with Doc Holliday's life. It's tough to figure out facts from fiction to out-and-out lies. Again, the "Wild Wild West" era was not as wild as dime novels or Holly or lawless as Hollywood would suggest. The West was mostly settled by Civil War veterans, most of whom worked hard to make a living. They were the sort who would not put up with the nonsense depicted in dime novels and Hollywood movies. The taming of the West is, well, our Heroic Myth, and when it comes to Doc Holliday, well, Val Kilmer is by far the gold standard.
That movie was almost entirely fictional.
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Also according to movie director John Ford who knew Wyatt Earp the dust that settled at the OK Corral was caused by a stage coach driving by which made the fight hard to see..
Lol. John Ford was born in Maine 13 years after the gunfight, and it didn't happen at the OK Corral. It happened one street over and six doors west of the OK Corral.
Thanks for watching. Earp also coached a young John Wayne in his first couple of westerns I believe.
I live in Denison TX. Doc spent some time here after his troubles in Dallas. He had a dentists office for a minute before yet again leaving town due to gambling issues.
It wasn't fair when he showed up on Star Trek. That was simply awful. (Star Trek the original series, season 3 episode "Specter of the Gun.")
AN EXCELLENT VIDEO, THANK YOU!!!!!!!
You are welcome!
Why are the comments referring to the Hollywood Actor, Val Kilmer? Let’s get grip people. Doc Holliday has nothing to do with Val Kilmer. We live in the Matrix for sure.
Amen. The amount of delusional BS being spread around, is just ridiculous.
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Great info, great show!
Much appreciated!
My old teacher Durwood Holliday is supposedly related to Doc
Great video!
Love getting to work and seeing a new episode. Thanks for the upload
Can you cover John Frank Oldfield and the black hand ive never seen it covered anywhere besides the book and a few mentions of black hand and petrosino in peaky blinders but apparently John frank took down the blackhand and it was never covered in our history
Maybe
Amazing, so those westerns weren't lying after all
Another banger, guys🤙🏻
Great history, thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it
Doc holiday was played by Victor Mature in John Ford’s my darling Clementine