Actual girl here, have never given a shit about main characters often being guys. Never even crossed my mind that "i needed to be represented". I just wanted the gameplay to be good and the story to make sense. Media seems to care a lot about problems that don't exist.
@@orionsionnach Yeah, women are 51% of the earth's population, that's way too big a group to identify with, because I have little in common with like 95% of them. I might as well identify with people who breathe.
Disagree with your take, although it is subjective anyways. Alot of my lady friends identify with and enjoy games alot more if they can play a female character in the game. None of them hate men or anything, they just like playing a woman as the main character if possible. So it does matter alot to people, hell Asmon won't even play female characters in games even if they look interesting, so men are the same way. Some don't care. And to some, it actually helps with their enjoyment quite a bit.
Also them "strong" female characters don't look the part... you look at Ripley and you believe she can kick ass, but nowadays strong women usually look like an emotional mess that will break out crying at the first real fight
@Arbitrate there's a beach in the original ff7. 12 hours into the game, you become stowaways on a ship crossing the ocean to get to the next continent. Once you get there, you're at a resort with a beach that I believe you can explore.
devs need to follow in Yoko Taro's steps, when asked why he decided to make the lady robot so sexy he responded with "because i like sexy ladies" and thats all you really need
And that is both incredibly based, but also incredibly logical. Frankly, that comes down to enjoying your work and as a result your work becomes all the better for it in the end, and more people appreciate it since its so well done. Its why if I ever find a good job, I want to enjoy my work there and give my 120% into it as a result.
@@Avetho It's also one of the reasons why most media these days absolutely suck - it's not even due to all the "woke" mumbo jumbo rather than it being a labor of hate and spite rather than love and passion. Honestly all the fanfic power fantasy nonsense that poses as "strong female characters" these days would be more tolerable if it was presented as an honest power fantasy fanfic (which it is, and those can be quite fun) instead of the pretense that it's supposedly for the "greater good" and whatnot.
The problem with the modern "strong" female character is that they never have to earn anything, they just arrive as a girl boss. Have no vulnerablility etc. Ripley is a hero because in Alien she overcomes incredible odds and loses all her crewmates and barely makes it out alive.
The problem isn't even about that, a doom with a doom girl would be hella fun. That the story is always so bad, men are always the bad guys, stupids or can't do anything without the woman (would be cool if they write a good story) and the reason why they get all things handled to them is because they are a woman. Not because they worked hard, received a magical item which she needs to learn who to use it or anything. Even doom guy had to go to hell and back, sacrifice everything to become the massive hero he is and that goes to all male characters people love, kratos, john marston, CJ and much more man.
@@Regarded69 A couple things to add to the Alien movie female lead. Personally I feel that when watching the movie you get a sense that Ripley is even more vulnerable than a male lead would have been in the movie. Which lends to itself when she actually accomplishes the impossible. Like if there had been a male lead you just kind of subconsciously expect him to succeed. Because, typically for a male lead to actually stand out he generally has to appear "superior" to the other male characters around him I.E. Arnold in the Predator movie. Everyone around him is already "peak male" but you can still tell he's "different" than the rest of the characters. Ripley on the other hand does not have that. She already stands out due to being a female lead in a movie like that. So ultimately even thought she is a strong female lead she has to struggle and fight for everything instead of just being hand held through the movie with easy plot points.
Well, the problem is that it isn't realistic. At least when it's a well endowed cute girl, you can at least realistically say "yeah, I am sure you earned it, wink wink, nudge nudge."
@@tumado7304 same, I don't fk with those kinda game either, but I'm glad people are enjoying it and have a chance to breath outside of the western dev nonsense
People love both the male and female Shepard in Mass Effect even though they have the same dialogue, so it can be done, just needs good writing and acting.
These games are in spectrum of their own. You can choose how to be in these games. We are talking where the story is fix and you make characters 100% badass outta the get go or based on certain ideologies. Sadly this translates to most female lead characters nowadays. The US isn't the best anymore in movies, games, or any media. You can clearly see the difference in quality if you watched alot of international media. They focus more on creating a story than how to put ideologies in say stories.
@@user-pv5tp7zk4s Hi friend, I'm curious about these high quality international shows you mentioned. Could you recommend me one title of an international movie or TV show to watch (that hopefully has English subs)? God bless.
@@user-pv5tp7zk4sI mean true it’s because obviously they are afraid of not having representation which you can have it just make it good and not everything they are like a black person as a co lead but it’s very unqualified
@@Ttyumbra The problem lies in wanting to have representation in something lets say in a mass effect universe where the races are aliens. They problems lies in wanting everything to have that. People just want want a movie, a story that is 10% real but 90% fantasy and be able to enjoy a good story. We know this people aren't capable of creating stuff from the ground up because they keep putting it in everything instead of creating a whole new genre of entertainment for them to fully represent they ideals plus make a space sorely for people who are looking for this type of content. They don't do it because of two things! They are incapable of creating something new or they know 99% of people in the world don't care about this. So best way to get people to watch it and accept it is by forcing it on everything but the things is the more you force a human being into a ideology that isn't self own the more they are gonna retaliate. 🤷♂️
going to throw a curve ball out there but noone ever talks about the possibility that alot of money get funneled elsewhere . like into a select ammount of peoples bank accounts and call it things such as consultancy fees ect and then they use the money to go on a cruise somewhere ect
"People are sick of being told what to like and not like. Vocal Minority defeated." The "people" are dumb so i feel many times obligated to tell them why the the x thing which they like is bad or the reason which they like the x thing is stupid but you have the freedom to ignore me.
I saw a short of a podcast on the official Avatar the Last Airbender UA-cam channel. And when talking about the Zuko, Katara, and Aang shipping war, I kid you not, one of the people there said, "I'm a MODERN woman. I don't think Katara had to choose either of them. She could've just had both of them." This was an actual thing that an actual person said on the actual official ATLA UA-cam channel? Like, WHAT?!?!
This is just a reverse harem joke (where one woman has multiple men instead of the more well known reverse situation). This (reverse harems) was invented as a pushback from the misogynistic elements that creeped into the modern harem genre.
companies really need to downsize or remove these "ethics committees." when your job is to find problems, you will keep finding problems even when there are none just to keep your job
They really do, unfortunately Square has always had some department or person dedicated to this since FF VII so I doubt they would ever fully go away from this since it was something they've done even when the company was know as Square Soft.
Exactly. This is also the case with many advocacy and activist organisations. If your job/industry depends on some sort of problem, real or perceived, you're going to do anything to keep the gravy train going.
Absolutely correct. Back when the world was just slightly less insane, in the workplace everyone feared and loathed OHS. Why? Cos it was their job to point out everything that people were doing that was potentially unsafe and _wrong_ and they had absolute authority, even the guys in charge had to listen to them. If everything was going smoothly, they'd be out of a job, and would no longer have power over others.
Most of my gamer friends end up being women and it's the same with them. 1/2 want to make their character sexy and hot, the other 1/2 want them to be cute and pretty. None of them want realism or bland looking characters.
Look at the visual mods and tell me they don't want sexy looks. As someone who has seen this game change since 1.0, the craziest thing is that "club" community. They do not mess around.
Yeah. I would say cute rather than hot and don't agree on the boob slider unless it's for a laugh, but most girls try to make themselves or cute and living her best life. No girl I know wants the Bioware faces, it puts most people off of playing.
About Ripley, She was a warrant officer, a veteran trained soldier in a hypermasculine environment, and still she had character development from the beginning of the movie until the credits roll, the protagonist of Forespoken is a city girl, sure she had a difficult upbrining but is really not comparison to being a seasoned soldier, Ripley masculine characteristics are believable, Foresponken protagonist acts like a teenage dude.
The fuck are you talking about? She was not a soldier. she was an EXO on a mining ship and had zero military training. She made this very clear in the beginning of the second movie. Ripley's existence immediately disproves his talking point about defined "gender roles" for characters because not one single line of Ripley's dialogue was meaningfully changed after Sigourney Weaver was cast as Ripley, and you can tell Zach realizes this because he immediately turns into a malfunctioning robot that rambles nonsensically for three seconds before changing the subject.
You hit the nail on the head with people looking at media with distrust before anything else. My first subconscious reaction is always "what are they trying to cram down my throat?".
I wondered why diversity never bothered me back in the day but does very much today. I never thought about the fact that movies like lethal weapon had black actors in it, or that the goonies had actors with vietnamese parents. Nowadays though it always sparks the thought of 'was it really the best person to play this role, or did they get it because it was forced diversity?' I really don't care if the character or actor is white, black, asian, lesbian, whatever. I do care if there was a better choice that was intentionally omitted though. Same goes for plot and stories.
@@Shoreuxthat's bc they're so vocal with their extremist bullshit they're spreading, back then when diversity was ever brought up it was basically "oh we should be chill with everyone, I'm cool with that" to what we have now.
@@azelia2464all they do is try to get rid of whites in media, so of course youd be pissed about that as a white person. its not just games and movies, i recently got an advertisement catalogue of a local outlet (central europe) and there was not a single white guy in it, cultural issue aside, what good are black models for me? the lime green shirt hes wearing will probably have a way different tone when i wear it, lmao
I think all people are different in a good way. I thought inclusion and equality was about the acceptance of difference not stamping it out and homogenizing. People need to wake up and celebrate our differences again.
Yeah here's the thing. Now a days over what the last 10 years? Literally 90% of complaints of ANYTHING are coming from those who don't use or buy the product. Same goes for gaming. Everyone complaining about fan service are the ones who don't even play video games.....so why....why should publishes and devs cander to the ones who aren't getting them paid....
The most annoying thing about all this is that genuine fans of all these franchises have been screaming feedback to deaf creators for years on end (wow for example) but then a minority of not even fans wants to change something and the entire industry caters to their will
Exactly. That's what I don't understand. They don't listen to the fans, but they change the whole industry for the sake of a minority who aren't even fans.
Cause they didn't really, so much of this is all just paranoid victimhood stuff by gamergaters. Wherever this world is that got fanservice and sexuality completely erased from all gaming to the point where so many people are always butthurt as fuck over whether games are getting censored or not I'm glad I don't live in it.
Imagine if these so called "ethics" departments existed 20 years ago games like GTA, MGS, FF, DOA, Soul Calibur, etc etc wouldn't exist, man what a horrible world that would be.
So I will say this about Square Enix (formerly Square Soft) and Final Fantasy, while the department was never called EGS, they have been censoring/altering content of their games for specific regions and cultures since at least FF VII. The Orthopedic Underwear was actually just Tifa's panties in the Japanese version. FF VIII one of the Garden's SeeD's uniforms had an arm patch that was removed for the releases outside of Japan. Square has always done this self censoring thing.
@@projectomnia1997 It's western SE branches/franchises and localizers that do this, not SE JP themselves which is where SE actually is based and founded, in other words it's out of their control as companies expand and shareholders etc get involved it becomes a corporation but at it's core SE don't censor anything.
did anybody even read what the guy actually from the ethics team actually wrote? Rev ripped his words completely out of context. He wrote that he has a huge responsibility for not removing content unjustified out of games, and that he did his best job when end users can´t even notice there were changes in the first place. Also for different cultures there is absolutely a need for slight changes or maybe censorship in media. Things that are viewed unproblematic in one culture can be totally inappropiate in another one. Just to give you an example, i´m from germany and while the rest of the world nowadays depicts nazis much more liberal and sometimes even glorifies them, that is still a huge no-go here in germany, because its part of our culture now to remember the mistakes we as a society made and to make sure history won´t repeat itself.
Last game I bought was " calisto protocol " and even so discounted on kinguin , the more propaganda Devs put on they'r games ,the less I buy. Even calisto having only 2woman in the entire story of the game is weird ,one of them is a prisoner where there are no other woman ,like couldn't they make her non prisoner because it seems it doesn't make sense ?
They've already ruined "proper vision of FF VII" thoroughly. Censored things left and right, forcefully inserted woke and politically-inclined westardoid bullshit agenda and it's garbage narratives' pandering, and etc.
Whats funny is her swimsuit is pretty conservative, and there wouldnt be nearly this much excitement over it had we not just gone through an extremely protracted period of time in which every dev tried to make all their women look like men
Based and real plus true. It's a totally normal swimsuit on an attractive woman. It's not particularly sexualized or skimpy. It's fine. She's just... also a martial artist who puts in MAD time at the gym, judging by how bad she kicked my ass at that stupid rhythm/memory puzzle game at the gym in Remake, where you're trying to beat her at... pull ups, I think? She's a monster, lmao
@@Sierraone1 oh good point. I forgot about that game. And yup. That aspect got absolutely panned, but they had an excuse, to be fair. Not a good one, but at least they have one
12:07 Its so funny you mention DOA beach volleyball because unless I'm mistaken they region locked these games to japan only. Im pretty sure twitter people had something to do with that
On the topic of games as a service thing, Ralph from SkillUp had an interesting take on it, no big company should go and try to build a service game from the get go and throw millions at it hoping they'll hit the jackpot, instead they should just aim to make a good game, with a soul and solid gameplay and performances, if it sells well, just build upon it, add content over time and if doesn't sell well just leave it as released, that's it.
Remember those same Twitter addicts boycotted the number one selling game last year. That’s all you need to see to know they don’t have their pulse in what’s popular.
Sarah Connor was a strong female character with male trades But she wasn't stronger than the T-800 or T-1000 instead, she was very smart and agile and also she was a fearless mother whose only goal was to protect her son at all cost, that is so relatable that you can even see that in nature, the only rason we have bad female characters these days is cuz lazy writing, forced ideologies and fake interest...
that's SO true. Problem with strong females characters these days is that we are supposed to believe they are strong from the get go without any context whatsoever...
Character journey and motivation are incredibly important - and while male characters generally get that to a degree where suspension of disbelief can kick in, hollywood writes female characters like a Trump speech. "Trust me, she is the greatest, the best, always has been, always will be, it's true! Just incredible! She can do everything, better than anyone else, it's true!" Oh okay, cool, how interesting...
and thats why everyone loves sarah conner she didnt try to be a man shes a woman who uses her intellect to outsmart the opponent since she knows she cant fight them fairly straight up. shes a great character love sarah conner i mean ppl like her as much as arnold and hes a much bigger star.
The problem that those writes have is that they can't write to save their lives. If you have to say "I am a strong woman' you are not a strong a woman. You either show that you are or you aren't and no matter how much you repeat it it won't change it.
As a writer struggling to get into the industry, it hurts me when I see the on-the-nose, overly expository, cliché dialogue in many games nowadays and I can’t land a job to help stop it. Hurts😮
8:47 as an avid interactive fiction enjoyer im inclined to disagree with this as many IFs have gender selectable characters that are fan favorites as both male and female and it's not because these characters are made to be androgynous but that their writing isn't made to be gender-centric so the quality of their character isn't affected by the gender you pick for them
Final Fantasy 7 actually has really strong and confident female characters. But these characters were written in the 90's where it wasn't a requirement that females replace masculinity in every single way. They didn't trade their beauty and femininity for being a new kind of Win Diesel. Look at Tifa, she is a hell of a fighter, OP af, but still she is gorgeous and has a beautiful caring empathetic character that one would rather find in a female than in a male character. It's the fan service that brought these characters back just as they were in the 90's and that's the reason why they are beloved today as they were back then.
in this case, squareEnix's huge ego helps us....they probably gave a big finger to the woke mob since they would make them change stuff....and it PISSES square if anyone does that...theyre big enough to stand on their own too and are their own investors
As a girl who plays games I started playing witcher 3 partially bc I thought geralt was hot and now its my fav pc game.I just want well written and cool looking characters if the game has a hot muscular guy that I can dress up in different outfits thats even better.
That’s interesting bc yes most girls did like Witcher 3 but statistically girls usually prefer to play pretty female characters. That’s why WoW had the biggest female user base of all time
Yep, applies to me as a straight white male too lmao. Geralt isn't perfect as a character and he's made plenty of mistakes (almost as if most well-written and critically acclaimed characters are flawed) but god damn if I didn't look up to some of his personality traits and good looks. The ultimate case in point for this is cosplaying. Characters like Geralt get huge amounts of timeless cosplays for good reason. While he isn't the most good looking character out there, the Doomslayer motivated me to get back into a gym multiple times over, because just look at the guy, who wouldn't want to be like him? I'm certain Geralt has done the same for a ton of people on top of inspiring a wave of well-groomed beards and long hair to come about.
My daughter usually gets stuck on the character creation part in RPGs just trying to make a character that's as pretty as possible.. Playing around with all sorts of looks, clothes etc.. That's the kind of game she likes. And no she doesn't create fat, ugly women. They're all skinny and pretty looking.. The hack and slash part of the game doesn't interest her at all...
As a twenty year old dude, can confirm spending at least a hundred hours in the character creator surpasses even humanity, my dog recognises whenever I'm making a new character in a new game and they watch too. Positive she got no idea what the fuck is going on at all times, every hour of the day, but she watches. Edit: Feel the need to mention, the hundred hours is spread across five, six playthroughs at least, I'm not sat there making one character for a hundred hours before playing the game. I have a problem, but my addiction is in moderation. Kind of.
@@spidey1100 Dunno, there are some really, really expansive character creation setups for games that you could spend that much time playing around with it. Heck, I'm sure someone could release a character creator app on Steam and it'd sell.
8:00 for a comparative number, it cost $93 million to make The Fellowship of the Ring film. Granted, that cost was in 1999-2001 dollars, so adjust for inflation.
SE is weird. They had the Deus EX IP and sold it to Embracer who cancelled the game. They could have used it to make their own brand of Cyberpunkt. They gave up other IPS they had to just focus on FF but that slows down game development and increases their cost. Imagine parasite eve rebooted with a modern story and modern graphics. SE needs reform.
I find it funny when ppl tell Rev to touch grass bro has a fiancé and he literally did a promo vid once in his yard without a shirt, hes jacked irl lmao
26:18 I’m also a thin pretty woman and asmon is totally right about this. I was made fun of since highschool, bullied, and ostracized for my looks. People would spread rumors about me of a sexual nature because I liked to watch the boys play magic the gathering at lunch. Women are cruel and jealous often enough for it to become a stereotype, although obviously it isn’t true for everyone. It’s always been incredibly hard for me to make female friends but it was worse in highschool because the a lot of boys liked that I enjoyed their hobbies… and the girls who liked them didn’t like that very much. I just grew up with brothers 🥲 crabs in a bucket behavior
This kind of reminds of of the cencorship of blood in games here in Germany in the 90s to the 2000s (until around Doom 3). Protecting the youth was very important. And all the youth did know how to install blood patches. Maybe we will have at some point in time titty patches or something.
A small detail is that iirc at some point Square reduced the size of Tifa's bust. I think those pictures showed things are closer to the original. Though keep in mind that like in Tomb Raider technology was less advanced back then and thus it could be imagined they overemphasided the bust a bit to draw the point home that Tifa was a girl.
That is official and confirmed canon now, BTW. Since devs themselves added that hair accessory into the game starting from Disc 2 of VII-2 ("Rebirth"). Tifa is now officially half-Texan (Nibelheim *is* Texas and 7th Heaven *is* a legit Texan bar sdo, after all) and half-Italian. Cloud is also at least half-Texan.
"If you see a thread on twitter that's really popular, from a person that has mental disorders in their profile, do the opposite of what that tweet is complaining about. Just do the exact opposite of that, and you will be successful with normal people."
The swimsuit might've been a compromise but if that's the case it accidently hits the precisely correct notes. It's not too much and it's definitely not too little
In comparison to Tifa's bust size in first VII, she was literally mutilated. It's Siri-levels of self-mutilating """""reduction""""". She was always at least JJ cup (a.k.a. 40K), but in VII-2 they mutilated her into having measly weak-ass 28H cup/bra size.
This is just Square Enix circling back after the Cindy nerfs in Final Fantasy 15. Had they not nerfed hot girl mugshots in Final Fantasy 15 I'd still be playing Final Fantasy 15.
Yeah, I have a feeling this take is going to age like milk. There's simply too much at stake for the authoritarian pro-censorship crowd and their pay-masters. Both in terms of money and lost opportunity. More and more people are becoming aware of the problem, they literally can't back down without losing this chance for another generation or two. They will not stop unless forced to.
I find it wild, that there are so many examples of fantastic games and devs and companies just say "yeah heck the stuff that's working, let's just do the stuff that is known to be hated"
As a girl who plays video games. I want representation to be real. I want it to make sense within the story. Cyberpunk's female characters are a great recent example of well written female characters (I love my V) I don't want token representation. I'd rather have none at all, because it makes the stories worse, less relatable, and takes me out of the immersive experience inherent in video games.
The situation can be understood in two ways. Firstly, some women may promote body positivity and weight gain to reduce competition by making others less physically appealing. Secondly, promoting weight gain can help individuals feel more content with their own life choices, as it offers a sense of validation. This could be a reason why shows like "My 1000lb Sisters" are popular. They provide viewers with a comparison that can make them feel better about their own size, with the notion "I may be overweight, but I'm not _that_ fat," thereby reducing their own anxiety.
Problem is everyone likes to look at good looking men or women. I think Havard had a study that concluded good looking people have a higher chance of landing a job, given if all else are equal during the interview.
@@kokocaptainqc the fact you say it here mean you accepted the fact that it is the truth. Trying to convince someone else to spend money on you when you don't have the look for the role must be very difficult. Is a man is short and bald, then he will have to work 3x harder to get a date compare to someone who is tall and has hair. That's just how the world work.
I was thinking about the end parts of this video and somethings popped in my head, Heavy rain has a fantastic portrayal of people and very human ways you can interact with people, within a game. One of the characters is a middle-aged fat detective, which we tend to like him as he's mild-mannered detective who we think is trying to do right and find evidence of the origami killer by going to past victim's houses. The dad is seen by pretty much everyone as crazy, or deadbeat as a crappy father, and even his son thinks so a bit depending on your actions, however the father after losing one kid is not going to lose another kid, the dad is trying his best for his son he has left and will do ANYTHING to protect him. There's a female reporter that you play as well, and everything you do feels wrong, like snooping through peoples shit, and you're put in positions where you are very paranoid about people doing bad things, but the more you snoop through their personal information the closer you get to the truth and eventually uncovering the "origami killer" which is who takes the dad's last remaining kid kicking the story off into high gear. Each character is imperfect, and even woefully flawed, but each character has values and positive traits that bring the story to a happy conclusion, but none of them feel as if it's forced down your throat, or done as something to get your way, or impose on someone else. Really the people have nothing to do with being male or female, but by knowing themselves and applying themselves in the best way possible. I think this is the best way to portray video game characters, would you agree? **(*spoiler*)** **(The detective being the outlier, he uses kindness and mild manners as a way to sneak into his victims' houses and clean up the evidence and loose ends, so he isn't found out as the origami serial killer.)**
And Ironheart is a shit character. XD Her origin story was that her teacher told her she can't be Tony Stark. XD And she made an Ironsuit. But Tony Staak is not his suit. XD
I saw this video once where the lady said that the biggest accomplishment women ever made was gaslighting the world into thinking that the most average women were the perfect models. She then went on to point out the differences between several things about 20 - 30 years ago to recently. Magazines, movies, cosmetics, modelling... Some stuff was resistant to this like sales and marketing but the shift was subtle yet sudden.
@@scottm.3901 if you're genuinely concerned about the looks of the characters over the gameplay or story you're not a part of this fight and you're just a coomer lol, having sexy characters is definitely a fat plus but if im not having fun im dropping the game asap
I hate how Hollywood turned the Term Fan Service into some sort of dirty word and black mark. FAN SERVICE is BAD when it's done POORLY and/or LAZILY. The remark "it's just fan service" relies more on the "JUST" than the "Fan Service part. If your whole game or movie is JUST fan service it's likely meaning that it hasn't added anything new at all, has little to no stakes, doesn't take anything in a new direction with different insights or perspectives. It means it's defanged and useless. Trying to act like changing a beloved character to one that shares no positive traits with their previous selves is being nuanced and "subversive" is allot of things. 1) usually just as lazy as bad fan service. 2 a bad excuse for alienating a huge part of the audience. etc. etc. If you're making a game or film within an existing IP that in of itself is already Fan Service. You've either Bought or Inherited the IP expecting their fans, you're kinda going to have to provide to the free customers that you're expecting to pay you. Not being "fan service" =/= Good and Being Fan service =/= Bad. But as hollywood's always done THEY have turned it on the customer. using something as being "not fan service" as marketing because people end up assuming that claim means that it's taken the ACTUAL criticism of the last product into account and made a movie that isn't a lazy cash in ANDTHEN it's still a lazy cash in just it ruins the lore and gives you even less to see it for because you hate the dumbass iteration of a character you used to like or something else.
You don't even NEED fan service and titties and boobs literally ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is make lovable char and they become hot in the eyes of people! Dont believe me! Look up the two post romanced char in mass effect... IT IS TALI AND GARRUS!!! Yes 2 aliens one coverd from head to toe and the other an insect with an exo skeleton... ps : I am a prude person i dont like titties in my face and "fan service" BUT i know other people are not LIKE ME!.. Make sure the char a lovable and nobody SANE would even care... Sane is the keyword here.
@@reweivbro he's like half right the censored remake not rebirth and they literally only censored 15 year old tifa in scenes which is totally fine and should have beeb the case from the start adult tifa wasn't censored
I argued once with my cousin that in general women had interests that differed with those of men and she completely disagreed. I argued that in my school the dance class was all women except one dude and also during sports class or whatever you guys call it girls would sit in a circle and talk while guys would actually play. She didnt wanna hear it. Some people are just completely delusional about this topic. I do think men and women are equals but we are not the same in any shape or form... Sure sometimes there will be a girl with more masculine interests like that one girl in my sports class who would play just like the guys , and some guys with more feminine interests like that dude I mentioned in the dance class. Theres nothing wrong with being unconventional, if you're a girl and you dont like putting makeup then dont, no one actually cares. But dont pretend like most girls dont like putting makeup just because you dont
I mean if you played the first game you'd know there's mini games where you control Tifa and have to do squats and pull ups and it looks like the exact same mini game verbatim here just with a different exercise. Clearly a lot of people don't even play these final fantasy games and are just here to culture war and have no real intentions of playing this game or getting into the lore of it at all so.....
Sigourney Weaver and Jenette Goldstein in the Alien movies were perfectly done women for those roles. They were part of their crews and were woven deeply into the plots. They were both big bad ass kickers but they were still women. Their subtext as characters were feminine stuck in a bad spot where they had to conjure their inner masculine to stay alive, so they did for as long as they had the chance and it was believable. I remember being heartbroken when Vasquez died in Aliens. She was my favorite out of the Marines squad. Ripley was obviously the star of the films but she had a beautifully thick internal conflict between her feminine and masculine sides using both of them to excellent effect. Viciously brutal when lives were on the line and deeply compassionate whenever she could find time between the terror and fighting. Both aspects were incredibly strongly written and performed which is why she is such a memorable character and why Sigourney Weaver is so respected as an actress. Weaver made it look easy and natural in very unnatural circumstances. She kept her humanity and authenticity. Jumping over to The Matrix. Carrie Anne Moss played a perfectly kickass Trinity yet she never lost her feminine against odds that would drive a person to madness.
They didn't censor it lol. They adjusted it to the new Rebirth version we know from the Demo. It honestly looks better imo. Same with her original outfit, on which they added the long socks, fits her design pretty well imo.
Ah yes, also wanna add that Tifa was 15 years old in Nibelheim, she's a minor in that time. Many people seem to forget about the timeskips happening in Crisis Core.
@@victoria_bye_music how else will they justify it remember square enix made an entire lara croft game to give her psychological breakdowns because it wasn't "fair" she got to celebrate her achievements
Square Enix cave to The Freaks and sensored Tifa again on remake after this comes out an 7R cant be refunded thell drop a patch to cover them backup.its just another tactic of theirs
I would like to think the Swim Suits are going to be treated like Tifa and Aerith's dresses in the Remake. The more quests you do, the more options you have for what they wear. I also didn't look into any of this information beyond the trailer.
Square Enix focus point: Gamers who keep buying their games and getting ignored ❌ People who keep bragging on twitter and never own any of their product ☑
All 3 Arkham games have surpassed Suicide Squad in player count since the 21st on steam charts and Arkham Knight surpassed on the 12th. Suicide Squad didn't even last a full month before dying.
I think most of Bad weird is Weird where you want to be appeal to certain clown. Like some cool kid tell you to do "Prank" to be accepted into their clown group and then after you do prank they say "Nice" but once backlash happen they will delete your existence in that crowd
The ethics committee must have been responsible for that quiet update to ff7remake a little while ago. Somebody in the community dug into the files and found they added an undershirt to Tifa in one of the flashbacks.
Tifa was always going to be hot in the game so I don't think it says much yet. I would wait to see what other game developers do with there character designs in upcoming future.
13:20 there's also the aspect of it being easier to animate a skin-tight suit than a frilly one. More physics, since the jiggle physics are already implemented by what's under it. Ruffles on top of the jiggle is harder. I also don't see it as a compromise, but that's as much because a "compromise" that goes from a bikini to a bikini with frills isn't one, imo. Even assuming she's less sexy in a frilly bikini than a latex one, that's just one opinion. Real lingerie isn't usually skin-tight latex either, and I don't think those designs are compromising on their sexiness.
Actual girl here, have never given a shit about main characters often being guys. Never even crossed my mind that "i needed to be represented". I just wanted the gameplay to be good and the story to make sense. Media seems to care a lot about problems that don't exist.
We just want cool/cute characters that kick ass that won't yell at you for 30 hours about nothing like dragon age origins the perfect balance
None of the main characters are like me anyway, I don't identify myself by my genitals.
they want to be meaningful but don't know how
@@orionsionnach
Yeah, women are 51% of the earth's population, that's way too big a group to identify with, because I have little in common with like 95% of them. I might as well identify with people who breathe.
Disagree with your take, although it is subjective anyways. Alot of my lady friends identify with and enjoy games alot more if they can play a female character in the game. None of them hate men or anything, they just like playing a woman as the main character if possible. So it does matter alot to people, hell Asmon won't even play female characters in games even if they look interesting, so men are the same way.
Some don't care. And to some, it actually helps with their enjoyment quite a bit.
You can have strong female characters. Original alien did it. The issue now is the script repeatedly tells you how strong the female character is.
Also them "strong" female characters don't look the part... you look at Ripley and you believe she can kick ass, but nowadays strong women usually look like an emotional mess that will break out crying at the first real fight
Yeah Ripley was my favorite.
I liked the woman in Resident Evil and Terminator two as well.
@@blackworldtraveler3711 How about Xena the Warrior Princess? ;p
@@shrimp7988average critical drinker fan bringing up Ripley so you can't be called an incel classic loser take
or they don't explain a damn thing, like with Rey from Force Awakens etc.
"Tifa is in a swimsuit." She's on a fucking beach. What else would she wear?!
We also got Aerith in a swimsuit too.
Who put her on the beach bro
@Arbitrate there's a beach in the original ff7. 12 hours into the game, you become stowaways on a ship crossing the ocean to get to the next continent. Once you get there, you're at a resort with a beach that I believe you can explore.
@@DANIELRONCA716More like 6 hours into the game.
@@SamiVantaa if you just run through it, yes.
devs need to follow in Yoko Taro's steps, when asked why he decided to make the lady robot so sexy he responded with "because i like sexy ladies" and thats all you really need
And that is both incredibly based, but also incredibly logical. Frankly, that comes down to enjoying your work and as a result your work becomes all the better for it in the end, and more people appreciate it since its so well done. Its why if I ever find a good job, I want to enjoy my work there and give my 120% into it as a result.
@@Avetho It's also one of the reasons why most media these days absolutely suck - it's not even due to all the "woke" mumbo jumbo rather than it being a labor of hate and spite rather than love and passion. Honestly all the fanfic power fantasy nonsense that poses as "strong female characters" these days would be more tolerable if it was presented as an honest power fantasy fanfic (which it is, and those can be quite fun) instead of the pretense that it's supposedly for the "greater good" and whatnot.
@@abadenoughdude300 Yeah, like how Captain Marvel was an absolute disaster
-Edit: And of course Velma but -*-we don't talk about that calamity-*
The problem with the modern "strong" female character is that they never have to earn anything, they just arrive as a girl boss. Have no vulnerablility etc. Ripley is a hero because in Alien she overcomes incredible odds and loses all her crewmates and barely makes it out alive.
Underrated comment. There is absolutely nothing wrong with strong or even masculine women. It's how they are implemented that counts.
The problem isn't even about that, a doom with a doom girl would be hella fun. That the story is always so bad, men are always the bad guys, stupids or can't do anything without the woman (would be cool if they write a good story) and the reason why they get all things handled to them is because they are a woman. Not because they worked hard, received a magical item which she needs to learn who to use it or anything. Even doom guy had to go to hell and back, sacrifice everything to become the massive hero he is and that goes to all male characters people love, kratos, john marston, CJ and much more man.
@@Regarded69 A couple things to add to the Alien movie female lead. Personally I feel that when watching the movie you get a sense that Ripley is even more vulnerable than a male lead would have been in the movie. Which lends to itself when she actually accomplishes the impossible. Like if there had been a male lead you just kind of subconsciously expect him to succeed. Because, typically for a male lead to actually stand out he generally has to appear "superior" to the other male characters around him I.E. Arnold in the Predator movie. Everyone around him is already "peak male" but you can still tell he's "different" than the rest of the characters. Ripley on the other hand does not have that. She already stands out due to being a female lead in a movie like that. So ultimately even thought she is a strong female lead she has to struggle and fight for everything instead of just being hand held through the movie with easy plot points.
Well, the problem is that it isn't realistic. At least when it's a well endowed cute girl, you can at least realistically say "yeah, I am sure you earned it, wink wink, nudge nudge."
Just showed my 9 year old boy Aliens. He thought ripley was awesome and I agree. Strong well written women characters have always existed
The developers for Helldiver's 2 said it the best. "A game for everyone is a game for no one"
That's why it's multiplayer , I don't care I don't play multiplayer ,but it's good they made a normal game .
@@tumado7304 same, I don't fk with those kinda game either, but I'm glad people are enjoying it and have a chance to breath outside of the western dev nonsense
That's a good way of saying the "try to appeal to everyone, end up pleasing noone" line.
Facts
You know, Syndrome said it best: "when everyone is super, no one will be"
People love both the male and female Shepard in Mass Effect even though they have the same dialogue, so it can be done, just needs good writing and acting.
Same with Cyber
These games are in spectrum of their own. You can choose how to be in these games. We are talking where the story is fix and you make characters 100% badass outta the get go or based on certain ideologies. Sadly this translates to most female lead characters nowadays. The US isn't the best anymore in movies, games, or any media. You can clearly see the difference in quality if you watched alot of international media. They focus more on creating a story than how to put ideologies in say stories.
@@user-pv5tp7zk4s Hi friend, I'm curious about these high quality international shows you mentioned. Could you recommend me one title of an international movie or TV show to watch (that hopefully has English subs)? God bless.
@@user-pv5tp7zk4sI mean true it’s because obviously they are afraid of not having representation which you can have it just make it good and not everything they are like a black person as a co lead but it’s very unqualified
@@Ttyumbra The problem lies in wanting to have representation in something lets say in a mass effect universe where the races are aliens. They problems lies in wanting everything to have that. People just want want a movie, a story that is 10% real but 90% fantasy and be able to enjoy a good story. We know this people aren't capable of creating stuff from the ground up because they keep putting it in everything instead of creating a whole new genre of entertainment for them to fully represent they ideals plus make a space sorely for people who are looking for this type of content.
They don't do it because of two things! They are incapable of creating something new or they know 99% of people in the world don't care about this. So best way to get people to watch it and accept it is by forcing it on everything but the things is the more you force a human being into a ideology that isn't self own the more they are gonna retaliate. 🤷♂️
I just came here to say...
HOW IN THE FUCK DID FORSPOKEN COST 100 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE?!
Because it went to the trailer and intro Because there was nothing inside the game
Because activists do not do real work. They specialize in complaining only.
Simple answer, all money went for a marketing.
going to throw a curve ball out there but noone ever talks about the possibility that alot of money get funneled elsewhere . like into a select ammount of peoples bank accounts and call it things such as consultancy fees ect and then they use the money to go on a cruise somewhere ect
M o n e y L a u n d e r i n g
im ugly af irl, why do i wanna play ugly in-game too?
you are not alone bro
if you dont look like this assmon dude then atleast you got that going
@512TheWolf512 Why are you saying bro. It's a girl. Just stop
Same, show me some hot characters that I could never look like haha
A) the story is intriguing
B) the gameplay is fun
That is one of the reasons why i made the ugliest characters possible in an RPG.
People are sick of being told what to like and not like
It only took 4 years after the Final Fantasy 15 hot girl mugshot nerfs...
those vocal minority don't even play games.
We're a loooooooong way from defeating them
@@KainsAddiction I just mean in this specific case
"People are sick of being told what to like and not like. Vocal Minority defeated." The "people" are dumb so i feel many times obligated to tell them why the the x thing which they like is bad or the reason which they like the x thing is stupid but you have the freedom to ignore me.
I saw a short of a podcast on the official Avatar the Last Airbender UA-cam channel. And when talking about the Zuko, Katara, and Aang shipping war, I kid you not, one of the people there said,
"I'm a MODERN woman. I don't think Katara had to choose either of them. She could've just had both of them."
This was an actual thing that an actual person said on the actual official ATLA UA-cam channel? Like, WHAT?!?!
Wait what, I need the sauce for this because if its true this is unhinged
That sounds to me more like a joke than anything lmao
Sure, if she played her cards right, why not.
was it Janet Varney? (voice of Korra) she also said she would never want to voice Korra again and wants a POC to take that role.
This is just a reverse harem joke (where one woman has multiple men instead of the more well known reverse situation). This (reverse harems) was invented as a pushback from the misogynistic elements that creeped into the modern harem genre.
Who would have thought not giving your consumers the product they want would result in less sales? It's baffling.
companies really need to downsize or remove these "ethics committees." when your job is to find problems, you will keep finding problems even when there are none just to keep your job
Anytime I see an "ethics" committee I roll my eyes
They really do, unfortunately Square has always had some department or person dedicated to this since FF VII so I doubt they would ever fully go away from this since it was something they've done even when the company was know as Square Soft.
Exactly. This is also the case with many advocacy and activist organisations. If your job/industry depends on some sort of problem, real or perceived, you're going to do anything to keep the gravy train going.
Absolutely correct. Back when the world was just slightly less insane, in the workplace everyone feared and loathed OHS. Why? Cos it was their job to point out everything that people were doing that was potentially unsafe and _wrong_ and they had absolute authority, even the guys in charge had to listen to them.
If everything was going smoothly, they'd be out of a job, and would no longer have power over others.
It’s about who loans them the money they need to do their day-to-day business, and what requirements they have for the company.
As a ff14 Andy, all the women I know who plays want their character to be hot. Not a single one want more realism. Max boob max but size u name it.
Males like attractive females.
Females like attractive females.
It's like females are the fairer of the two sexes.
Who knew, right?
Most of my gamer friends end up being women and it's the same with them. 1/2 want to make their character sexy and hot, the other 1/2 want them to be cute and pretty. None of them want realism or bland looking characters.
Look at the visual mods and tell me they don't want sexy looks. As someone who has seen this game change since 1.0, the craziest thing is that "club" community. They do not mess around.
Most Woman i know in FF14 Play a male Character and they want there Character to be cute.
Yeah. I would say cute rather than hot and don't agree on the boob slider unless it's for a laugh, but most girls try to make themselves or cute and living her best life. No girl I know wants the Bioware faces, it puts most people off of playing.
"If you see someone on twitter with mental disorders in their bio asking for something, do the opposite"
That's really good advice for anyone
About Ripley, She was a warrant officer, a veteran trained soldier in a hypermasculine environment, and still she had character development from the beginning of the movie until the credits roll, the protagonist of Forespoken is a city girl, sure she had a difficult upbrining but is really not comparison to being a seasoned soldier, Ripley masculine characteristics are believable, Foresponken protagonist acts like a teenage dude.
The fuck are you talking about? She was not a soldier. she was an EXO on a mining ship and had zero military training. She made this very clear in the beginning of the second movie.
Ripley's existence immediately disproves his talking point about defined "gender roles" for characters because not one single line of Ripley's dialogue was meaningfully changed after Sigourney Weaver was cast as Ripley, and you can tell Zach realizes this because he immediately turns into a malfunctioning robot that rambles nonsensically for three seconds before changing the subject.
You hit the nail on the head with people looking at media with distrust before anything else. My first subconscious reaction is always "what are they trying to cram down my throat?".
I wondered why diversity never bothered me back in the day but does very much today. I never thought about the fact that movies like lethal weapon had black actors in it, or that the goonies had actors with vietnamese parents. Nowadays though it always sparks the thought of 'was it really the best person to play this role, or did they get it because it was forced diversity?'
I really don't care if the character or actor is white, black, asian, lesbian, whatever. I do care if there was a better choice that was intentionally omitted though. Same goes for plot and stories.
@@Shoreux its because the more and more they force it the more you think about it.
@@Shoreuxthat's bc they're so vocal with their extremist bullshit they're spreading, back then when diversity was ever brought up it was basically "oh we should be chill with everyone, I'm cool with that" to what we have now.
@@Shoreux You're close. It's because of DEI. Diversity, Equity, Inclusion. It's extremely toxic and does not try to hire based on skill/expertise.
@@azelia2464all they do is try to get rid of whites in media, so of course youd be pissed about that as a white person. its not just games and movies, i recently got an advertisement catalogue of a local outlet (central europe) and there was not a single white guy in it,
cultural issue aside, what good are black models for me? the lime green shirt hes wearing will probably have a way different tone when i wear it, lmao
Men and Women are different in a good way.
I think all people are different in a good way. I thought inclusion and equality was about the acceptance of difference not stamping it out and homogenizing. People need to wake up and celebrate our differences again.
the "women" in this do not look like real women wtf x)
@@krizzIybaer Neither do the men. It is fantasy.
they don't need to. it's art, not real life@@krizzIybaer
@@krizzIybaer All them men with low body fat, perfect abs and great hairline with lush hair are definetly the average man
The first Tomb Raider wouldn't have been as successful if it wasn't for the way they designed Laura Croft.
Yeah here's the thing. Now a days over what the last 10 years? Literally 90% of complaints of ANYTHING are coming from those who don't use or buy the product. Same goes for gaming. Everyone complaining about fan service are the ones who don't even play video games.....so why....why should publishes and devs cander to the ones who aren't getting them paid....
The most annoying thing about all this is that genuine fans of all these franchises have been screaming feedback to deaf creators for years on end (wow for example) but then a minority of not even fans wants to change something and the entire industry caters to their will
Because the truth is that neither of those groups matter, only the investors. And the investors at least superficially align with the latter. For now.
Screaming feedback at creators or slap fighting with each other on social media?
It's because they have to "reach more audiences". That stupid sentence that's plaguing modern AAA games is that alone.
Exactly. That's what I don't understand. They don't listen to the fans, but they change the whole industry for the sake of a minority who aren't even fans.
Cause they didn't really, so much of this is all just paranoid victimhood stuff by gamergaters. Wherever this world is that got fanservice and sexuality completely erased from all gaming to the point where so many people are always butthurt as fuck over whether games are getting censored or not I'm glad I don't live in it.
Imagine if these so called "ethics" departments existed 20 years ago games like GTA, MGS, FF, DOA, Soul Calibur, etc etc wouldn't exist, man what a horrible world that would be.
That's 30-40 years ago friend. Ff7 came out in the 90s. GTA 1 came out in the 90s.
So I will say this about Square Enix (formerly Square Soft) and Final Fantasy, while the department was never called EGS, they have been censoring/altering content of their games for specific regions and cultures since at least FF VII. The Orthopedic Underwear was actually just Tifa's panties in the Japanese version. FF VIII one of the Garden's SeeD's uniforms had an arm patch that was removed for the releases outside of Japan. Square has always done this self censoring thing.
@@edrimuspage9667 Don't be a smart a$$, people get the point
@@projectomnia1997 It's western SE branches/franchises and localizers that do this, not SE JP themselves which is where SE actually is based and founded, in other words it's out of their control as companies expand and shareholders etc get involved it becomes a corporation but at it's core SE don't censor anything.
did anybody even read what the guy actually from the ethics team actually wrote? Rev ripped his words completely out of context. He wrote that he has a huge responsibility for not removing content unjustified out of games, and that he did his best job when end users can´t even notice there were changes in the first place. Also for different cultures there is absolutely a need for slight changes or maybe censorship in media. Things that are viewed unproblematic in one culture can be totally inappropiate in another one. Just to give you an example, i´m from germany and while the rest of the world nowadays depicts nazis much more liberal and sometimes even glorifies them, that is still a huge no-go here in germany, because its part of our culture now to remember the mistakes we as a society made and to make sure history won´t repeat itself.
Things went downhill when game studios started letting Anna Sarkeesian and Twitter weirdos have any kind of input over regular, everyday gamers.
Last game I bought was " calisto protocol " and even so discounted on kinguin , the more propaganda Devs put on they'r games ,the less I buy.
Even calisto having only 2woman in the entire story of the game is weird ,one of them is a prisoner where there are no other woman ,like couldn't they make her non prisoner because it seems it doesn't make sense ?
ive actually never known any Anna to be mentally stable
The only thing a game should "inspire" me to do is play it while staying true to its vision, if it has one.
They've already ruined "proper vision of FF VII" thoroughly.
Censored things left and right, forcefully inserted woke and politically-inclined westardoid bullshit agenda and it's garbage narratives' pandering, and etc.
Whats funny is her swimsuit is pretty conservative, and there wouldnt be nearly this much excitement over it had we not just gone through an extremely protracted period of time in which every dev tried to make all their women look like men
When was this exactly?
Based and real plus true. It's a totally normal swimsuit on an attractive woman. It's not particularly sexualized or skimpy. It's fine. She's just... also a martial artist who puts in MAD time at the gym, judging by how bad she kicked my ass at that stupid rhythm/memory puzzle game at the gym in Remake, where you're trying to beat her at... pull ups, I think? She's a monster, lmao
From 2012 it began and took about 12 years@@HardymanK
If a male character spoke like Forspoken's main, it would be from a low budget game.
Low budget writers on big budget products
The atomic heart main character got a lot of shit for his dialog too, so yea. bad writing is simply bad writing.
it's more of a translation issue. the game was made with russian dialogs in mind@@Sierraone1
@@Sierraone1 oh good point. I forgot about that game. And yup. That aspect got absolutely panned, but they had an excuse, to be fair. Not a good one, but at least they have one
i doubt a male character would've torched a big bag of money. Unlike the developers.
Yes but why the diaologue from a low budget game be so painfully bad(they can't make at least a fun bad diaologue like DMC series)?
12:07 Its so funny you mention DOA beach volleyball because unless I'm mistaken they region locked these games to japan only. Im pretty sure twitter people had something to do with that
On the topic of games as a service thing, Ralph from SkillUp had an interesting take on it, no big company should go and try to build a service game from the get go and throw millions at it hoping they'll hit the jackpot, instead they should just aim to make a good game, with a soul and solid gameplay and performances, if it sells well, just build upon it, add content over time and if doesn't sell well just leave it as released, that's it.
Remember those same Twitter addicts boycotted the number one selling game last year.
That’s all you need to see to know they don’t have their pulse in what’s popular.
I mean even the people that bought the game are boycotting it. It's not a very good comparison :)
@@alan62036 boycotting and buying the game don't go together, fam.
@@spicoli2801 It's called hyperbole, fam
@@alan62036 No, it's called talking gibberish.
@@alan62036 - doesn't know what a boycott is
-doesn't know what hyperbole means
checks out.
Sarah Connor was a strong female character with male trades
But she wasn't stronger than the T-800 or T-1000 instead, she was very smart and agile and also she was a fearless mother whose only goal was to protect her son at all cost,
that is so relatable that you can even see that in nature, the only rason we have bad female characters these days is cuz lazy writing, forced ideologies and fake interest...
that's SO true. Problem with strong females characters these days is that we are supposed to believe they are strong from the get go without any context whatsoever...
Character journey and motivation are incredibly important - and while male characters generally get that to a degree where suspension of disbelief can kick in, hollywood writes female characters like a Trump speech. "Trust me, she is the greatest, the best, always has been, always will be, it's true! Just incredible! She can do everything, better than anyone else, it's true!"
Oh okay, cool, how interesting...
and thats why everyone loves sarah conner she didnt try to be a man shes a woman who uses her intellect to outsmart the opponent since she knows she cant fight them fairly straight up. shes a great character love sarah conner i mean ppl like her as much as arnold and hes a much bigger star.
Yeah, the original Sarah Connor was just a badass human being doing what she felt she had to do.
It never felt like a girl-power message.
Lazy writing? Or bad writers? Go look at the Writer’s Guild stats released for the last decade.
The problem that those writes have is that they can't write to save their lives. If you have to say "I am a strong woman' you are not a strong a woman. You either show that you are or you aren't and no matter how much you repeat it it won't change it.
As a writer struggling to get into the industry, it hurts me when I see the on-the-nose, overly expository, cliché dialogue in many games nowadays and I can’t land a job to help stop it. Hurts😮
Show don't tell.
@thevolta89 maybe you just gotta lower you're writing skills too trash and maybe then you could land a job😂
8:47 as an avid interactive fiction enjoyer im inclined to disagree with this as many IFs have gender selectable characters that are fan favorites as both male and female and it's not because these characters are made to be androgynous but that their writing isn't made to be gender-centric so the quality of their character isn't affected by the gender you pick for them
They woke up from deep slumber to grant us passage to real gaming.
nah, it's just that their agenda didn't work out in games
They deep slumbered from the woke
No, they didnt. They just trowing you bone.
Booba never lose
They woke up to see that they was sleeping too long other companies alredy take their place
I like how Rev is just a recurring vtuber that gets reacted by Asmon now, he's just part of the Asmon lore at this point
Man needs to put some money back into his channel and pay someone to make him a less stiff model
hes redpilling normies by signal boosing the rev,based tbh.
Isn't rev into lolies/ Loli defender 💀
Asmon is noob at gaming. Of course he will be doing that shit like react, react to react, react to react to react etc.
@@alexzander1142you know asmon fallows a buntch o pro loli and loli artist on twitter right?also he is Friends with tectone
Final Fantasy 7 actually has really strong and confident female characters. But these characters were written in the 90's where it wasn't a requirement that females replace masculinity in every single way. They didn't trade their beauty and femininity for being a new kind of Win Diesel. Look at Tifa, she is a hell of a fighter, OP af, but still she is gorgeous and has a beautiful caring empathetic character that one would rather find in a female than in a male character. It's the fan service that brought these characters back just as they were in the 90's and that's the reason why they are beloved today as they were back then.
Well said!
in this case, squareEnix's huge ego helps us....they probably gave a big finger to the woke mob since they would make them change stuff....and it PISSES square if anyone does that...theyre big enough to stand on their own too and are their own investors
Don't let anyone tell you how to make YOUR game. But also don't cater. Just do you and make your vision.
As a girl who plays games I started playing witcher 3 partially bc I thought geralt was hot and now its my fav pc game.I just want well written and cool looking characters if the game has a hot muscular guy that I can dress up in different outfits thats even better.
where are the activists complaining Geralt doesn't have a beer belly, patchy beard, and receding hairline?
Even as guys we want to play as hot characters, why would anyone even want an ugly mc
That’s interesting bc yes most girls did like Witcher 3 but statistically girls usually prefer to play pretty female characters. That’s why WoW had the biggest female user base of all time
Yep, applies to me as a straight white male too lmao. Geralt isn't perfect as a character and he's made plenty of mistakes (almost as if most well-written and critically acclaimed characters are flawed) but god damn if I didn't look up to some of his personality traits and good looks.
The ultimate case in point for this is cosplaying. Characters like Geralt get huge amounts of timeless cosplays for good reason. While he isn't the most good looking character out there, the Doomslayer motivated me to get back into a gym multiple times over, because just look at the guy, who wouldn't want to be like him? I'm certain Geralt has done the same for a ton of people on top of inspiring a wave of well-groomed beards and long hair to come about.
@@scarletsletter4466 honestly a good game is appreciated by both men and women. Wicher 3 was really gud
My daughter usually gets stuck on the character creation part in RPGs just trying to make a character that's as pretty as possible.. Playing around with all sorts of looks, clothes etc.. That's the kind of game she likes. And no she doesn't create fat, ugly women. They're all skinny and pretty looking.. The hack and slash part of the game doesn't interest her at all...
As a twenty year old dude, can confirm spending at least a hundred hours in the character creator surpasses even humanity, my dog recognises whenever I'm making a new character in a new game and they watch too. Positive she got no idea what the fuck is going on at all times, every hour of the day, but she watches.
Edit: Feel the need to mention, the hundred hours is spread across five, six playthroughs at least, I'm not sat there making one character for a hundred hours before playing the game. I have a problem, but my addiction is in moderation. Kind of.
@@spidey1100 Dunno, there are some really, really expansive character creation setups for games that you could spend that much time playing around with it. Heck, I'm sure someone could release a character creator app on Steam and it'd sell.
I spent 3 hours making my Dragon's dogma 2 female character, and she is beautiful :D@@spidey1100
get her WWE 2k24 or something like that...she'll never really play but will have 250 characters
Make her play Elden ring and she'll be stuck with the character creator for a week before playing the game.
8:00 for a comparative number, it cost $93 million to make The Fellowship of the Ring film. Granted, that cost was in 1999-2001 dollars, so adjust for inflation.
SE is weird. They had the Deus EX IP and sold it to Embracer who cancelled the game. They could have used it to make their own brand of Cyberpunkt. They gave up other IPS they had to just focus on FF but that slows down game development and increases their cost. Imagine parasite eve rebooted with a modern story and modern graphics. SE needs reform.
I find it funny when ppl tell Rev to touch grass
bro has a fiancé and he literally did a promo vid once in his yard without a shirt, hes jacked irl lmao
wife actually they got married last year
@@fill639 oh god how did i forgot that 😅
Do you know where I can find the video of him jacked?
@@ckicken946 i think is the one were he announced his fumo,or one of the irl videos he has
@@ckicken946 his fumo announcement, but i think its unlisted now ? i cant find it
26:18 I’m also a thin pretty woman and asmon is totally right about this. I was made fun of since highschool, bullied, and ostracized for my looks. People would spread rumors about me of a sexual nature because I liked to watch the boys play magic the gathering at lunch. Women are cruel and jealous often enough for it to become a stereotype, although obviously it isn’t true for everyone. It’s always been incredibly hard for me to make female friends but it was worse in highschool because the a lot of boys liked that I enjoyed their hobbies… and the girls who liked them didn’t like that very much. I just grew up with brothers 🥲 crabs in a bucket behavior
This kind of reminds of of the cencorship of blood in games here in Germany in the 90s to the 2000s (until around Doom 3). Protecting the youth was very important. And all the youth did know how to install blood patches. Maybe we will have at some point in time titty patches or something.
A small detail is that iirc at some point Square reduced the size of Tifa's bust. I think those pictures showed things are closer to the original. Though keep in mind that like in Tomb Raider technology was less advanced back then and thus it could be imagined they overemphasided the bust a bit to draw the point home that Tifa was a girl.
This is the least to be done for an Italian Senate representative.
That is official and confirmed canon now, BTW. Since devs themselves added that hair accessory into the game starting from Disc 2 of VII-2 ("Rebirth").
Tifa is now officially half-Texan (Nibelheim *is* Texas and 7th Heaven *is* a legit Texan bar sdo, after all) and half-Italian. Cloud is also at least half-Texan.
"If you see a thread on twitter that's really popular, from a person that has mental disorders in their profile, do the opposite of what that tweet is complaining about. Just do the exact opposite of that, and you will be successful with normal people."
100% approved
Simple lost wisdom.
Or rather, people being afraid of the same person using a moral panic to punish them for not doing what they want.
they baited with tifa but released a patch covering it up after the high preorders you need to check on ff7 remake patch after 4 years too
The people who seek to have a "watchdog" job tend to be the exact kinds of prudes that cannot be trusted with such jobs.
The swimsuit might've been a compromise but if that's the case it accidently hits the precisely correct notes. It's not too much and it's definitely not too little
It was just to get buzz about the subpar product about to come out
In comparison to Tifa's bust size in first VII, she was literally mutilated. It's Siri-levels of self-mutilating """""reduction""""".
She was always at least JJ cup (a.k.a. 40K), but in VII-2 they mutilated her into having measly weak-ass 28H cup/bra size.
@@vergillives9890go somewhere else.
@@Kawayolnyobro is talking his main game
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What can I say, I tend to notice and very well remember things. And, yes, I'm a ballistics connoisseur.
This branch of reality is starting to right itself.
This is just Square Enix circling back after the Cindy nerfs in Final Fantasy 15. Had they not nerfed hot girl mugshots in Final Fantasy 15 I'd still be playing Final Fantasy 15.
Now we wait for Harambe the White to return, as the funny GIFs predicted. If you don't know the meme just google Harambe the White.
Yeah, I have a feeling this take is going to age like milk. There's simply too much at stake for the authoritarian pro-censorship crowd and their pay-masters. Both in terms of money and lost opportunity. More and more people are becoming aware of the problem, they literally can't back down without losing this chance for another generation or two. They will not stop unless forced to.
I find it wild, that there are so many examples of fantastic games and devs and companies just say "yeah heck the stuff that's working, let's just do the stuff that is known to be hated"
As a girl who plays video games. I want representation to be real. I want it to make sense within the story. Cyberpunk's female characters are a great recent example of well written female characters (I love my V) I don't want token representation. I'd rather have none at all, because it makes the stories worse, less relatable, and takes me out of the immersive experience inherent in video games.
The situation can be understood in two ways. Firstly, some women may promote body positivity and weight gain to reduce competition by making others less physically appealing. Secondly, promoting weight gain can help individuals feel more content with their own life choices, as it offers a sense of validation. This could be a reason why shows like "My 1000lb Sisters" are popular. They provide viewers with a comparison that can make them feel better about their own size, with the notion "I may be overweight, but I'm not _that_ fat," thereby reducing their own anxiety.
Reducing anxiety but also promoting an eating disorder and heart failure
Problem is everyone likes to look at good looking men or women. I think Havard had a study that concluded good looking people have a higher chance of landing a job, given if all else are equal during the interview.
and then they wonder why they are single.
@@steak5599my look is actually why i was never trusted at any job even if i was the very best
@@kokocaptainqc the fact you say it here mean you accepted the fact that it is the truth.
Trying to convince someone else to spend money on you when you don't have the look for the role must be very difficult.
Is a man is short and bald, then he will have to work 3x harder to get a date compare to someone who is tall and has hair. That's just how the world work.
Tifa is love, Tifa is life.
Sugar is more addictive and dangerous substance than heroin
Triss, Tifa and Shionne from Tales of Arise, those will be my wives when I ascend to Valhalla! lolol
When corporations stop listening to Twitter and instead listen to their customers, they will do better.
They patched and censored tifa in Remake, put more coverage on her. Crazy
The 15 year old Tifa, completely justifiably. The adult Tifa is in tact.
It’s the same publisher not the same developer. Forspoken was developed at Luminous studios or w/e it was called, Rebirth is a CBU1 joint
Why do gaming companies invest 100 million on an IP that hasn't proven itself to be good? This is terrible management.
A patch was implemented just before release date and sadly tifa's chest is smaller and covered up.
I was thinking about the end parts of this video and somethings popped in my head, Heavy rain has a fantastic portrayal of people and very human ways you can interact with people, within a game.
One of the characters is a middle-aged fat detective, which we tend to like him as he's mild-mannered detective who we think is trying to do right and find evidence of the origami killer by going to past victim's houses.
The dad is seen by pretty much everyone as crazy, or deadbeat as a crappy father, and even his son thinks so a bit depending on your actions, however the father after losing one kid is not going to lose another kid, the dad is trying his best for his son he has left and will do ANYTHING to protect him.
There's a female reporter that you play as well, and everything you do feels wrong, like snooping through peoples shit, and you're put in positions where you are very paranoid about people doing bad things, but the more you snoop through their personal information the closer you get to the truth and eventually uncovering the "origami killer" which is who takes the dad's last remaining kid kicking the story off into high gear.
Each character is imperfect, and even woefully flawed, but each character has values and positive traits that bring the story to a happy conclusion, but none of them feel as if it's forced down your throat, or done as something to get your way, or impose on someone else. Really the people have nothing to do with being male or female, but by knowing themselves and applying themselves in the best way possible. I think this is the best way to portray video game characters, would you agree?
**(*spoiler*)**
**(The detective being the outlier, he uses kindness and mild manners as a way to sneak into his victims' houses and clean up the evidence and loose ends, so he isn't found out as the origami serial killer.)**
Fuck this make me remember about Ironheart in Black Panther 2.
There is no background and suddenly she is female Ironman.
And Ironheart is a shit character. XD Her origin story was that her teacher told her she can't be Tony Stark. XD And she made an Ironsuit. But Tony Staak is not his suit. XD
last take was definitely FACTS they often tell unhealthy women compliments then flame on fit women that is 100% true
I believe a comment on Rev says Desus' channel got me following Asman, and now i see Asman covering Rev. I've gone full circle LUL
I saw this video once where the lady said that the biggest accomplishment women ever made was gaslighting the world into thinking that the most average women were the perfect models. She then went on to point out the differences between several things about 20 - 30 years ago to recently. Magazines, movies, cosmetics, modelling... Some stuff was resistant to this like sales and marketing but the shift was subtle yet sudden.
And shortly after this, square enix rolled it back and censored tifa again.
They censored a 15 year old Tifa, calm down guy. The adult Tifa is still in tact.
Good. Hopefully they " cEnSoR" the swimsuit as well.
@heiral7773 What are you telling me to calm down for? All I said was what they did... Should I have lied?
@@-8h- seems like you think that's a negative thing though. When it's not and it doesn't affect you or anyone else in any way.
@@toshiro-kano where are you even gathering that opinion from? Because I pointed it out?
Japan games always cook cake better cake than western games even then and now
Most of the games coming out of Japan are dogshit anime adaption fighting games lmao
@@21joebloe yea but are the characters hot?
@@scottm.3901 if you're genuinely concerned about the looks of the characters over the gameplay or story you're not a part of this fight and you're just a coomer lol, having sexy characters is definitely a fat plus but if im not having fun im dropping the game asap
@@illgeteverythingback yea but are the characters hot?
@@scottm.3901 hilarious, sure, they are
I hate how Hollywood turned the Term Fan Service into some sort of dirty word and black mark.
FAN SERVICE is BAD when it's done POORLY and/or LAZILY. The remark "it's just fan service" relies more on the "JUST" than the "Fan Service part. If your whole game or movie is JUST fan service it's likely meaning that it hasn't added anything new at all, has little to no stakes, doesn't take anything in a new direction with different insights or perspectives. It means it's defanged and useless. Trying to act like changing a beloved character to one that shares no positive traits with their previous selves is being nuanced and "subversive" is allot of things. 1) usually just as lazy as bad fan service. 2 a bad excuse for alienating a huge part of the audience. etc. etc. If you're making a game or film within an existing IP that in of itself is already Fan Service. You've either Bought or Inherited the IP expecting their fans, you're kinda going to have to provide to the free customers that you're expecting to pay you.
Not being "fan service" =/= Good and Being Fan service =/= Bad. But as hollywood's always done THEY have turned it on the customer. using something as being "not fan service" as marketing because people end up assuming that claim means that it's taken the ACTUAL criticism of the last product into account and made a movie that isn't a lazy cash in ANDTHEN it's still a lazy cash in just it ruins the lore and gives you even less to see it for because you hate the dumbass iteration of a character you used to like or something else.
You don't even NEED fan service and titties and boobs literally ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is make lovable char and they become hot in the eyes of people!
Dont believe me!
Look up the two post romanced char in mass effect...
IT IS TALI AND GARRUS!!!
Yes 2 aliens one coverd from head to toe and the other an insect with an exo skeleton...
ps : I am a prude person i dont like titties in my face and "fan service" BUT i know other people are not LIKE ME!.. Make sure the char a lovable and nobody SANE would even care...
Sane is the keyword here.
Characters should be beautifully designed, aesthetically pleasing and yes, charming as well
funny, square litteraly just released an 8 gig patch to ff7 remake which censors all of tifa's flashback scenes.
Well she was 15 in the flashbacks so I don't care too much about that.
@tonymaccaroni1683 nah fr that's mad weird it's fine if she's an adult
I think Square Enix is hoping to sell copies of ff7 rebirth and then they will patch out the swimsuit three months later.
what are the lottery numbers for next week?
no but seriously, how did you know 💀💀💀💀💀💀
@@reweivbro he's like half right the censored remake not rebirth and they literally only censored 15 year old tifa in scenes which is totally fine and should have beeb the case from the start adult tifa wasn't censored
I argued once with my cousin that in general women had interests that differed with those of men and she completely disagreed. I argued that in my school the dance class was all women except one dude and also during sports class or whatever you guys call it girls would sit in a circle and talk while guys would actually play. She didnt wanna hear it. Some people are just completely delusional about this topic. I do think men and women are equals but we are not the same in any shape or form... Sure sometimes there will be a girl with more masculine interests like that one girl in my sports class who would play just like the guys , and some guys with more feminine interests like that dude I mentioned in the dance class. Theres nothing wrong with being unconventional, if you're a girl and you dont like putting makeup then dont, no one actually cares. But dont pretend like most girls dont like putting makeup just because you dont
Spoke too soon. Day 1 patch on release, they took it away, she's censored again. We got jebaited, guys.
Stellar Blade was made by Shift Up.
Shift Up also made Nikke.
That explains the concept.
Tifa Sit ups???? Bro!!! I'm sold
I mean if you played the first game you'd know there's mini games where you control Tifa and have to do squats and pull ups and it looks like the exact same mini game verbatim here just with a different exercise. Clearly a lot of people don't even play these final fantasy games and are just here to culture war and have no real intentions of playing this game or getting into the lore of it at all so.....
@@HardymanKNo ill play it. Eventually. I swear. As soon as its on a real gaming environment like a P.C.
Just a bummer I got the special invite code for the game through my email today and I’m PC only. Exclusivity always bugs me..
Sigourney Weaver and Jenette Goldstein in the Alien movies were perfectly done women for those roles. They were part of their crews and were woven deeply into the plots. They were both big bad ass kickers but they were still women. Their subtext as characters were feminine stuck in a bad spot where they had to conjure their inner masculine to stay alive, so they did for as long as they had the chance and it was believable. I remember being heartbroken when Vasquez died in Aliens. She was my favorite out of the Marines squad. Ripley was obviously the star of the films but she had a beautifully thick internal conflict between her feminine and masculine sides using both of them to excellent effect. Viciously brutal when lives were on the line and deeply compassionate whenever she could find time between the terror and fighting. Both aspects were incredibly strongly written and performed which is why she is such a memorable character and why Sigourney Weaver is so respected as an actress. Weaver made it look easy and natural in very unnatural circumstances. She kept her humanity and authenticity.
Jumping over to The Matrix. Carrie Anne Moss played a perfectly kickass Trinity yet she never lost her feminine against odds that would drive a person to madness.
Wait till he founds out how much skull and bones cost to make 🤣🤣
They added a patch that censored all this not long ago..........
Been telling everyone something was fishy about them...........
i wish it was true but sadly Square enix is still censoring things like they recently "updated" the remake
“I lost millions with my mind” new favorite meme of 2024 😂
25:30 "Toxic positivity" .... oh I love this expression !
19:45 Not true, we got 2 versions better. Naked ranni in doll body and naked charred corpse of ranni. Also Malenia 2nd phase I guess.
the replay spike on the timeline of the video is funny
Its funny too cause when tifa walks up just watch cloud's eyes in the next cut...🤣🤣
Lmao, Square published a patch TODAY that censored Tifas outfit in the first part of the remake.
Censor how exactly?
Of course just like zero zenloss censored on day one and the game doesn't run without it
They didn't censor it lol. They adjusted it to the new Rebirth version we know from the Demo. It honestly looks better imo.
Same with her original outfit, on which they added the long socks, fits her design pretty well imo.
Ah yes, also wanna add that Tifa was 15 years old in Nibelheim, she's a minor in that time.
Many people seem to forget about the timeskips happening in Crisis Core.
@@victoria_bye_music how else will they justify it remember square enix made an entire lara croft game to give her psychological breakdowns because it wasn't "fair" she got to celebrate her achievements
Square Enix cave to The Freaks and sensored Tifa again on remake after this comes out an 7R cant be refunded thell drop a patch to cover them backup.its just another tactic of theirs
I would like to think the Swim Suits are going to be treated like Tifa and Aerith's dresses in the Remake. The more quests you do, the more options you have for what they wear. I also didn't look into any of this information beyond the trailer.
Square Enix focus point:
Gamers who keep buying their games and getting ignored ❌
People who keep bragging on twitter and never own any of their product ☑
All 3 Arkham games have surpassed Suicide Squad in player count since the 21st on steam charts and Arkham Knight surpassed on the 12th. Suicide Squad didn't even last a full month before dying.
The new head of Square Enix really knows his audience, this one is a true gamer
And now we have the leaks of the Stellar Blade demo. Because DAAAAAAAAMN!
Wow man , I’ve only subscribed to your channel, love your analysis
I think most of Bad weird is Weird where you want to be appeal to certain clown. Like some cool kid tell you to do "Prank" to be accepted into their clown group and then after you do prank they say "Nice" but once backlash happen they will delete your existence in that crowd
I belive that what we see in prologue in forspoken when she leving money in fire is an actual thing that they did with most of the money.
The ethics committee must have been responsible for that quiet update to ff7remake a little while ago. Somebody in the community dug into the files and found they added an undershirt to Tifa in one of the flashbacks.
Tifa was always going to be hot in the game so I don't think it says much yet. I would wait to see what other game developers do with there character designs in upcoming future.
13:20 there's also the aspect of it being easier to animate a skin-tight suit than a frilly one. More physics, since the jiggle physics are already implemented by what's under it. Ruffles on top of the jiggle is harder.
I also don't see it as a compromise, but that's as much because a "compromise" that goes from a bikini to a bikini with frills isn't one, imo. Even assuming she's less sexy in a frilly bikini than a latex one, that's just one opinion. Real lingerie isn't usually skin-tight latex either, and I don't think those designs are compromising on their sexiness.
They are not waking up, first remake was just censored xD
the Tifa swimsuits so good it'll make me go buy both FF7 remakes so far on the spot
This is the power that gamers have that they refuse to use over and over and over and over and over and over and over