I don't think Peter does himself any favors, he does yammer on and if we analysed the spoken time of each participant Peter would have over 75%. I've noticed in this video that he seems to get to a point where anyone else would have finished speaking as they have made their argument, yet he just continues on until hes challenged. I would get frustrated interviewing him if i disagreed with anything he put forward as it seems like it would be difficult to respond without having to cut in.
Total number of deaths for January to April last year are the same as this year. The only difference is that deaths from other diseases are being put down as a Corona death.
Mike Creed - again, ONS haven't reported death since week 12. Of course it's going to show negligible difference relative to last year. We'll have to wait until week 14 (mid April) in order to see stats which matter.
Hear hear. The Diamond Princess is the perfect control model of the virus. If one studies the incident and the outcome, one will then understand much more.
Full agreement with you Robert. When I invite someone to be my guest, whether into my home or onto my show, I owe them at least a thin veneer of courtesy and an opportunity to speak their mind for perhaps longer than 45 seconds before trying to draw everyone's attention back to its right and proper object, myself.
the interruptions are useful though as they reveal the script for NWO takeover. He said it could be a good thing to crash the economy. In any normal world you would be sacked for that if a labour mayor can be sacked for saying Boris deserves a spell in hospital. Both comments are spiteful. This bloke goes on to say the High street is dying anyway. Really ? He doesn't live in London then. The immigrant population who have revived our high streets are seeing their livelihoods thrashed for the NWO. If it was not for polish and asian food shops we would be at the mercy of the NWO crooks like tax fraudsters Tesco
I agree with Peter, this whole situation is mental. The “experts” are focused on one problem. We could reduce motorcycle deaths by banning motorcycles. It doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.
Truly truly TRULY nauseating individual! Whose existence only serves to highlight how missed his vastly superior intellect his elder brother was! These scumbag "libertairians" like him and that piece of crap Carl Benjamin should be sent to an ICU ward without PPE!
Very well said. Peter is spot on in 'calling out' this catastrophic and utterly disproportionate policy. The Government is succumbing to hysteria just to be 'seen to be doing something'. The economic and societal consequences of this absurd lockdown will be far more damaging than covid-19.
If Peter disbelieves the ferocity of this virus he's welcome to join the flat earthers' in licking toilet seats & hand rails or wait until a healthy prominent person dies (not BJ) before acknowledging he was wrong. I suspect hell will freeze over first.
The msm are loving this, they won't give airtime to any dissent whatsoever. And when we come out of it and look around at all the devastation they will blame the government, calmly denying that their hysterical reporting caused it all.
Exactly, that is what people keep ignoring. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with Peter Hitchens, but the number who misrepresent his position are astonishing. They say he doesn't care about the elderly, that he only cares about money, that he isn't listening to the experts, etc. None of this is true. Why not deal with what he *actually* says?
Künstlerin-DAB1995 People forget its money that keeps people alive/healthy/ safe/well fed/educated/a sense of purpose (employment ). It’s not a dichotomy.
Nev - Please say if you agree with what has been said below. *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_* *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
I have the source for the above and will provide it but I'm interested in what your view of it is.
Beyond dishonest,,, I would hardly call it that ! Japan has now announced a sate of emergency as their figures have doubled from last week. Japan may lead the world in certain technologies but they tend to do many things their own way and they often get it wrong. It will be interesting how Japan and Sweden's figures stack up over the next month but the truth is that countries who didn't take quick action have suffered the most so far. Peter is entitled to his opinion but I wiould rather put my faith in the scientists any day of the week...
kenny thomson exactly. The population is the oldest in the world, family’s are very tight, they are terrified of an Italian situation arising, it hasn’t yet because of the social discipline but it’s in the post.
kenny thomson. But the scientists have very differing opinions both at home and in other countries. In the U.K. we switched from the herd immunity pathway to home isolation.......both said to be “following the science”.
@@salnaturile8653 it was funny how many things peter was saying that he hadn't heard before and he took notes on. he was completely unaware that was any serious opposition to this policy at all which was from where his initial arrogance stemmed. his best foot forward was to pretend to be cordial by setting out ground rules he had no intention of following. he lacks the capacity to understand how hopeless he is.
Then Boris Johnson went into intensive care... He must feel like a right idiot now haha.. the flu doesn't cause prime ministers/ healthy middle aged men to be admitted to intensive care.
@@roro-mm7cc You are wasting your time with these people Roman! It is flu - or a cold - or has been blown out of all proportion, or the "narrative" being peddled (pedalled!😅) is all wrong or, the countries economics are more important, or, a Daily Mail journalist knows better than the epidemiologists and scientists or, the government ain't to be trusted 'cos they lied about the WMDs (That one's a real classic!)! Don't you understand? They must be right - there are so many of 'em - how could they all be wrong? 😅
Sweden is looking pretty good at the moment. 47 deaths per million of the population vs UK at 74 deaths per million. New infections and deaths decreasing daily in Sweden. Increasing in the UK.
And we can watch what happens with 10million extra unemployed in the US, 1million extra unemployed in the UK, 0% GDP growth in China. Or go to Bangladesh which just lost £2.4billion in garment orders. One thing is for sure, that damage will not be over in a couple of months. The lockdown was not a cool-headed rational response of experts, it was not a pre-existing plan that swung into action. It was a PANIC reaction.
@@jamescaley9942 The fallout from this economic mismanagement will last for a generation. The Credit Crunch will seem like an inconvenience compared to what is around the corner.
@@jamescaley9942 I'm afraid this is going to take a lot longer than a couple of months. The impact on our economy and therefore on our health service will be catastrophic.
"It's not an infringement of my personal liberty to be told not to leave my house. It's not much of a massive problem". Buffoon. We can argue whether it's called for in these circumstances or not but self-evidently it is a whacking great infringement and arguing otherwise makes Graham look a complete eejit.
Agreed, I bristle every time I see the government's warnings. The latest one was "You might catch more than the sun" if you go to the beach. Now, I will respect the social distancing rules, but that line is nothing but shameless scare-mongering, paid for by taxpayer's money (soon to be diminished after this crushing economic shutdown).
That line jumped out at me. The lockdown was base on phony projections, that's clear now. Lockdowns are for Iran, and North Korea, not for Western democracies.
WolfGratz can’t believe he thought that was a good point. He’s totally wrong. Of course it is a huge deal if you can only leave your house to buy essential goods. If you live alone you’ve essentially been banned from all REAL human interactions except speaking to a check out person. It’s disgraceful.
You aren't addressing the point bur merely issuing a quick ad hominem. The argument isn't whether confining most of a nation to their homes is needed but rather whether it is a large scale infringement - which plainly it is. I even went to the trouble of explaining that in the first place. My pains, humanely taken all, all lost.
Unless the person totally remains in the car 100% of the trip wherever he gets out and mixes with others he is able to introduce the virus to otherwise clean places, if the person is exposed along the way. By never leaving the car would fullfill the isolation criterion fine. But who spends 100% of time in the car, rather spend the time at home. Australia has only 30 deaths and 5000+ known corona positive cases and restrictions ARE showing reducing incidence of infection.
@@mesolithicman164 . I know you're annoying others on these pages as you're regularly putting your points across. I have to admit that I agree and almost fully concur with nearly all of them
@@mesolithicman164 nations were not under this magnitude of debt, collectively after said world wars. to have one organ shut down, one can supplement with medicine until it heals. this is a complete organ failure, it is catastrophic. you can have as much faith as you like but delusion doesn't make literal bread.
I'd say he's the poor/stupid man's smart person. He may be slightly above average in intelligence, but is unable to see nuance in things he doesn't like. Also, pointing to Sweden, which now has much higher death rates than other, neighbouring countries isn't a very smart move if you want to argue his position. There are far better examples, which he dismissed because he's incapable of nuanced analysis. He usually has an opinion, and selectively chooses the evidence supporting that position while dismissing all the contrary evidence (even if it's overwhelming, while the evidence supporting his position is flimsy at best).
@@AAWT I totally agree. He's like the typical undergraduate of a top ten university who is very passionate about his views and can cite a few bullet points example that he feels make his arguments tenable when they can easily be refuted by contrary evidence that's more overwhelming in the opposing direction. I think Peter Hitchens is a cheap knock off version of his more intelligent and articulate brother Christopher Hitchens who was witty, humorous and likeable which Peter Hitchens isnt. Peter Hitchens is a professional controversialist who suffers from delusions of grandeur and seems immune to the analytical rigour of facts and empirical research. He's an opinionated journalist who is carrying out his job description but he isn't a learned knowledge man who has rigorously studied the subject matter of what he's discussing. He's read a few articles and journals and is cutting and pasting them to provoke controversy. He's just a middle class privately educated fool whose ignorance is veiled by a middle class accent and manners but his opinion is no different to a car mechanic or lavatory cleaner
Funny, they were both on the same side trying restrict liberty with Brexit and now many of the same people are moaning about the lockdown. Some people have short memories.
In this case I believe there is one, it's called 5G, but our attention has been diverted. There has been massive covert roll out of 5G during the lockdown, everyone should do little bit of research into what 60Ghz radiation does to living things.
I think we will find out sooner.... Hitchens is betting on the Swedish model.... we will find out in the next few weeks who’s right and who’s wrong ... Norway locked down (6,086 cases / 93 deaths). Sweden business as usual (8,419 cases / 687 deaths)....as of today..... it’s already starting to look like he’s wrong on this.
John Bossy you’re not accounting for the likely far larger number of deaths caused by the aftershocks of this lockdown. The mental health problems caused by social isolation are enormous (which is why solitary confinement is now illegal and a human rights violation in U.K. prisons) lead to increased suicides. The number of jobs lost from the inevitable recession will cause people to lose their livelihoods and their raison d’être and we know all recessions cause a spike in self harm and suicides as well. Not to mention that the government won’t be able to afford proper healthcare for the nhs in the future because of the economic catastrophe caused by this so people will not get the care they need in the future and subsequently die
@@davekp6773 Whatever the leftwing equivalent of Godwins Law is, (s)Hitchens falls for it. Sees totalitarianism around every corner after his years of working in Eastern Europe.
So you don't think the government have many more experts than Peter has spoken to, and better experts at that? I honestly don't understand how some of you people think, or even if you do think.
@@futurez12 You should do some research as there are many, many world renowned experts (and I'm not talking about ordinary NHS consultants or GPs here) who agree with Hitchens. It would seem a report from Professor Neil Ferguson and the rather dubious Imperial College is why the country has been shut down.
@WhyOWhy Exactly. I wanted to hear what the caller had to say but Hitchen's constantly talking over him meant we didn't really get to hear his points explained. If he wants to an opinion show where he just gives his own view on political topics, I'm sure people would listen but it's pointless having a call-in show when callers can't get a word in.
Let everyone catch it then - you too, but are you sure that "you" would survive catching it? are you totally sure?? Please feel free to try it out for size if you want to. Basic economics is one thing, but remember, without a population or a workforce there is no "economy" is there!
@@ericwilliams2317 Wasn't suggesting "let everyone catch it"...And no I'm not sure I won't catch it but that's not really the point. The point is the cure will be worse than the disease and Mike doesn't seem to have a grasp of the gravity of the economic implications of all this. It's lost perspective.
Agreed. He's friends with the current Conservative Party who have no understanding of economics. Rishi Sunak and Boris will ruin the economy as they're basically a soft-socialist Labour-lite party. Essentially New Labour.
@@ericwilliams2317 if everyone caught it...you would then achieve herd immunity. Even if everyone caught it, that doesn't change the mortality rate. As per actual scientific papers they all seem to suggest that the mortality rate is in par with a bad influenza season.
@@paulheath7407. Give over, it's not even in the top 15 threats to human life. Until the world economy is being sut down beacuse of the biggest threats, this is a massive over reaction and will prove to be a catastrophic mistake.
@@anthonypickup8697 Oh that's fine then, lets just throw everyone's grandparents on the corpse pile because YOU don't think it maters. Will you be so casual about it if you have to bury loved ones yourself, or is it only acceptable provided its OTHER people suffering the loss?
I love Peter but he does sometimes drag his replies out. If Mike wanted to ask him 4 or 5 questions in a timeslot then salt he will have to interrupt really long answers.
@@mauvechalk thats because Mike has no tolerance of things that go against his own mindset , the reason you invite guest to talk is to listen to their view
@@overcorpse Thailand currently has 26 deaths recorded as a result of this and yet they've effectively closed the country for at least a month. The losses, pain and ultimately deaths that ultimately arise from this action are far likely to exceed the number of deaths caused by the virus in my opinion. I think that is what Peter Hitchens is arguing here, albeit in the UK.
Event 201 Pandemic simulation drill 18th October 2019 New York USA. World Military Games 18th October 2019 Wuhan China. " Is this real world or exercise " ?
@@winniedog2510 Here's another "coincidence", Chinas most advanced virology labs are in Wuhan. Some are around 300m from the wet market supposedly involved in the outbreak. Chinese academics, before being silenced, reported that the disease came from horseshoe bats, and that there were none sold in the wet market, and the closest wild population was 900km away. However they were being experimented on in corona virus research in labs within stone's throw of the market. These are reported facts, and don't need a conspiracy to figure out. The Chinese were working on corona viruses, probably for military use, and one way or another there was a lab accident and a new strain got out in public.
They are good at trying, but we can all see Graham here is full of himself, government propaganda, shit and pies, whilst on the other hand Peter Hitchens isn't. Simple really.
How can trashing livelihoods and the economy possibly be the correct response to anything. It is exactly what an outside aggressor would seek to achieve!
You are drawing a false equivalence. Yes the economy is suffering, however the toll for not acting now would be much higher. As one youtuber points out - in hindsight acting early in a pandemic looks like an overreaction while acting late in a pandemic looks like too little of a reaction. By acting early in the pandemic it looks like and will look like an overreaction - the problem is that if we did not take this action the irreversible damage cause would be much bigger.
@@Slarti I think you misunderstood my comment, I agree with the need to have a lockdown. New York's Mayor left it too late, and downplayed things, and we see that city has become the US ground zero for the outbreak. Sweden proudly kept its society running as normal, and today they had to accept their error and begin locking down, hundreds of thousands more infected cases will likely have resulted from that delay. These people arguing the economic case for simply letting 2.5 % of the populace die, make me sick.
Stephen Johnson ... It is exactly what someone with a globalist agenda would do. Contain And control the public economically and through fear. Cull the population at the same time especially the elderly with their expensive government pensions. Enforce curfews and lock down and when the pandemic is over come out as the hero who saved the nation and take over. Maybe it’s just me but something just doesn’t seem to smell right to me. Briton is an island, why didn’t government just stop all people coming in to our country at the very first hint of a virus.??? This could all of been avoided and why weren’t they prepped and ready for this eventuality? China is an awful long way away from GB. and why are they still not testing arrivals at our airports in fact why have we still got arrivals at our airports. Only goods should be arriving.
Mike Graham couldn’t hold a debate let along a fair interview if his life depended upon it . He constantly rides roughshod over his guests and callers and is so obsessed with his own inflated opinions it’s sickening. This is a man who constantly reassured us by telling us he is never wrong about almost everything.
I live very near Clumber park in Notts. Fully payed up member of the National trust. Went for a bike ride today for 45mins, ( 7 am ) not a sole in site . I do this time so I get my allowed Exercise before the local grocer opens to collect fresh fruit and veg for the local care homes on the way back home.. Guess what ? As I was leaving a person ( group of 3 walking ) went out of their way to tell me I should not of driven to bike exercise.. WHAT A MESS!!! Turning into too many Chiefs I think.
WhyOWhy correct my friend just wait till negative interest rates come and then the run on the banks maybe just maybe then the sheep will open there eyes and see how the central bank system doesn’t work for us but for them god help us all in the next few years
WhyOWhy again correct my friend. The people are in darkness about how money works either by choice or lack off education about monetary systems (they don’t teach you that at school mmmm) there may be hope after the 2008 bailout that people are wiser but sadly I hold little hope. Things will get tough you look after yourself and your family good look for the future. Let’s pray we are wrong 👍
the nhs costs approx 120bn per year , the same that the gov get in from fuel taxes ....with us all not driving anywhere the gov is down about 100bn straight away . we are not coming back from this , this is insane
@@philg7889 the hospitals cant possibly be struggling because there are no car accidents, no builders falling off things, no people getting drunk and fighting , they are so bored they are making videos of themselves dancing , i think these hospitals are being erected for returning troops , the the NEC is next , 5000 beds.
You didn't win Mike. It was a discussion/interview not a debate. Peter made a plethora of thought provoking and substantive points. You made none. Do some research before interviewing someone like Peter.
Craig Banks so true , and why is HEATHROW AIRPORT still letting floods of people arrive here , 100's and 100's .... no swabs , checks , and no POLICE forcing "social distancing" . the virus is coming into the UK still by people arriving at airports but the POLICE are now arresting people sitting on their OWN quietly in parks .
I agree people from COVID hotspots still allowed in - doh! Police having a go about someone walking a dog with nobody around them, yet houses robbed by us and nobody bothered, its not going to be safe and risk free if it comes back is it, or it comes around every year, and the NHS needs funding no good if nobody is earning money, what about other life threatening conditions untreated, people made redundant, social issues, domestic abuse, small businesses closed etc, not sure its been thought through tbh
@@MickeyCool30 yes , i think the "advisors" have been unbelievably stupid or unbelievably evil and even now Boris having taken the "advice" of those idiot dr's walking out with him into the conference room , when this started , now Boris is fighting for his life in ICU . i can't believe how badly this has been planned or not planned . just so scary how these idiot "advisors" think ... they KNEW IT WAS SPREADING FAST , but still didn't STOP ALL flights , not closing schools , true the economy might collapse and my sister has her own small business , but at least we're having 80% of our normal earnings .... it's far better than countries like China or India etc ... Maybe the City of London told / advised the PM not to stop flights ? "business as usual" / WHO owns , controls the city of London ? the Banking system ?
callum bevan-margetts Your Hero was a 60s Revolutionary Trot Globalist turned Science Absolutionist and War Monger! I’m guessing that’s what you are ? The two brothers were and are very different. Give me Peter every time!
Christopher Hitchens was just brilliant, I miss him so much and would have loved to have heard his take on this crisis, as well as his ongoing demolition of SJWs and political correctness. As you said Callum, RIP the great man.
Twat. Truly truly TRULY nauseating individual! Whose existence only serves to highlight how missed his vastly superior intellect his elder brother was!
Mike Graham's face tells it all. He's rolling his eyes when facts are levelled at him. I have nothing but contempt for this human being. When all this is over, there will be a reconing for all those people who perpetrated and perpetuated this, including you Mr Graham.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 peter was invited on gmb, so his views are quite publicised. The question here is - why he is the only one with opposing views to be invited?
Kevin Buckley - yes, I don’t agree with Christopher’s politics, but the asymmetry of intelligence between the brothers is remarkable. Peter often seems as if there is something not-all-there.
@@NapoleonGelignite no doubt he does not try to assimilate the whole picture including the very important fact that valuable time was lost debating and promoting herd immunity. The fact that Germany with it lockdown and test test test is performing much better than us. The only conclusion being that something is profound ignorance.
Oh FGS! let people speak bad interviewer. So why are there closed empty wards, they were filmed completely empty ...in Milton Keynes, a Photographer has been sent to jail? ODD
This graham would be wise to heed the advice of a greater mind than his who said " Those willing to give up their freedom for security deserve neither and will loose both"
@@WolfeTone66 is he? I find him to be very crude and its his body language thats intimidating, especially for Oxbridge folks. He worked for daily express ffs.
For the uninformed: On Twitter, Mike Graham invited Peter Hitchens onto his radio show to discuss and debate their opposing points of view. This was NOT an interview.
@WhyOWhy I was just starting to think the same- the presenter was just trying to score points. At the end he says "I think I won" whereas Hitchens only stated the situation in terms of reality. The only thing the LBC presenter "won" was in the number of interruptions he made.
And now 2yrs later !!!! And now people are moaning about the cost 🙄 Oh how the times have changed ! I’ve often wondered what if the media hadn’t reported on this at all would anyone would have noticed !
Hitchens is a total fool. He has fragments of knowledge on which he bases an absolute belief that he is right. If he is right and we don't listen to him, we lose time and money. if he is wrong and we listen to him, we lose tens of thousands of people. We can recover financial losses, we cant get back dead loved ones. Its a logical fallacy, and Hitchens is an odious prick for the position he is arguing.
@@mesolithicman164Spot on! And he relies on a so called "expert" called Prof. Bhakdi who has said on video addressed to Angela Merkel ... *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_* *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_* Nonsense!
@@mesolithicman164 Correct MM ... this below is what I ask regarding Hitchens' idol, Professor Bhakdi. I quote just two of his statements. They are in bold type below. Please say if you agree with what has been said below. *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_* *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_* I rest my case!
@@mesolithicman164 Absolutely, Hitchens is very much a faux intellectual. All, he ever does really is play devils advocate and talk about things he knows he will never reasonably be asked to prove. He can always say forever after this lockdown ends that it was the wrong thing to do, because nobody can replay history and not have a lock down to show him how badly things would turn out without it. There is nothing clever in his position, it is just general whinging really.
Its funny how LBC and talkRADIO always seem to experience technical problems, when a guest start talking sense on air, and questions what we we are being told.
Künstlerin-DAB1995 i assume you mean China won’t pay. They certainly won’t want to pay or, as we have seen already, even take responsibility for this mess
Timothy Hallett I believe that's the idea and ultimately enslave us in a cashless society run by a technocracy as well as other things like social crediting system, ID2020 run by AI/5g network/Internet of Things. Freedom will be destroyed and the country will be like China.
There are two almost definite truths. One: lock down will slow down transmission. How could it not. Two: shutting the economy will cause a contraction in wealth and higher rates of mortality (just check the history of recessions if you are unconvinced). So the argument is when does one outweigh the other. No one knows, but let’s keep talking about this. What we mustn’t do is allow individuals who are focused on one thing and one thing only decide the way forward. We need collective wisdom in this.
Hitchens is a pompous idiot who has no understanding of what he is advocating. If the country did as he suggests, hundreds of thousands of people would be dead by summer as a result of the virus. Not all the comments are pro peter.
@@lesigh1749 There is nothing in the data to suggest that 100,000's would die if these precautions weren't in place. The only data that supports this is the unreliable computer modelling of Neil Ferguson. There are plenty of reasons to suggest that crashing the economy which is going to happen almost inevitably now will do much greater harm. The government are willing to spunk £300B on bailouts for loss of earnings...why don't they simply spend all that looking after the ones most at risk(elderly and medically compromised)? Its ludicrous to think that this is achieving anything else other than the ruination of our country. 1452 died on average EVERY day last year...did you call for special measures then? How about the winter with 20,000+ excess mortalities...did the NHS stop treating other illnesses? Did you ask for a lockdown then? The only reason people care so much about the deaths is because they are on the telly and getting publicised. If they weren't you'd carry on with your life in your social circles as would everybody else. We are a nation of hypocrites and cowards.
@@darrencarter6350 15% of people that contract COVID-19 require oxygen treatment. We do not have the capacity to treat that percentage of the population at the same time. 5% of patients will require a ventilator to survive, we do not have enough ventilators to put that percentage of the population on one all at the same time. Even with those treatments the death rate is 1.3% for people over 50, 3.6% for people over 60, and 8% for people over 70. Around 20% of the UK population is over 60, so even just 3.6% of those dying is well over a hundred thousand, and that's without the others from all age groups that would potentially die needlessly simply because Oxygen and ventilators weren't available in sufficient numbers. The economy can be recovered from a recession, dead people cannot.
@To Err is HumaSee my reply to Darren Carter, it contains evidence that an unthinking moron such as yourself clearly never thought of. now crawl away and bury your own parents, you don't get to bury anyone else's with your ignorant views. This is why the country, and the rest of the western world is ignoring prats like you and Peter Hitchens.
@@lesigh1749 Whilst that is valid we simply are stuck between a rock and hard place. A leaders job is to lead and sometimes that means making difficult decisions. Why can't those statistically most at risk not be quarantined whilst the rest of us keep the economy going? Surely we could achieve that especially with the money that's going to be spent on paying all those currently unable to work. Less tax is being collected yet universal credit claims have shot up. Something has to give. Without an economy we could end up with the privatised healthcare system many people already fear. You're stating that potentially 100,000's could die. Could. Efforts would be made to alleviate that. If the economy crashes it will effect millions not hundreds of thousands. That's where being a leader and making hard decisions comes into play. He's made his choice with the lockdown and I hope for all our sakes its the best option. My analytical nature disagrees with my faith. The numbers do not justify the means. We are releasing prisoners whilst threatening lockdown flouters with jail...insane! The airports are still operating passenger flights albeit only 5%. We had migrants shipped over despite the fact they left France to come here thus making them economic migrants. There are so many flaws but as I say I have some sympathy as we are in uncharted territory. That being said the covid bill only adds to the notion that something more nefarious is afoot. Hard to work out what's fact and what's fiction at the moment.
I'm sick of the attitude in this country that somehow we're a part of a collective, NO, I'm a free, lone human being. I wasnt born a collective, I was born by myself
But like it or not, you are part of a whole, a part of society, and as such you have responsibilities - something that seemingly nobody wants to deal with anymore. If you wish to have nobody to answer to, then you shouldn't choose to live in a modern, 1st world country, instead go and be a nomad in a very remote part of the world and survive many miles from anywhere - but you'll still come under somebody's jurisdiction wherever you ended up. I think what I'm really trying to say here is stop being a simplistic, selfish whinger.
at the end of this year, overall death rates for under 65's in Uk and the rest of the world will be no different to the year if no coronavirus had occurred, death rate for over 65's will be slightly up
Mike Graham....the gate keeper to keep the narrative going...may you hang your head in shame and when the truth surfaces you will be shamed and your views will haunt you for all time...I watched this interview solely for Peter hitchen view....more respect for him than you'll ever have
@@newchan329 I think Peter has explained, to a good extent, why he holds his views. He is very good at explaining his opinions, and expressing the various issues involved. Do you have some other form of insight than his own words, as to why he holds certain opinions?
@@afifahhamilton8843 Given that where you say he is good at explaining his views please explain what you believe to be the basis for his views ... bullet points / one liners are fine, just as many as you can think of. Thanks
Yes, he kept ranting on instead of letting us listen to Peter, almost as bad as Piers, but not quite. The annoying thing is I wanted to listen to Peter and I couldn't.
Is Hitchens the only sane man in the U.K.? Oh no - there's Douglas Murray, David Starkey et al... OK - is Hitchens the only sane (presumably) _heterosexual_ man in the U.K.?
Yeah, not that I would put them into the same category but, how is it that D. Murray, D. Starkey, D. Grimes are all gay and sane... and their first names start with a "D". Hmm.
It's about time that someone addressed this. We need our government to innovate, think out side this Covid box and restart our economy where it can, there will have to be adjustment..or we could just watch how the Germans recover before us 🙄🙄
Peter needs to make his points more succinctly, he leaves himself open to interruption as he does tend to ramble. He needs to sharpen up his delivery as he has a lot of interesting things to say.
What baffles me about all this is the simple fact that if it's the old and vulnerable who at risk,why not lock them down and let the rest of us get back to work
@@NobleVenture77 Of course he needs to and I assume he is capable of answering for himself. Why do you feel the need to answer for him? You seem to believe with your independent thinking that Hitchens has researched the subject and believe that social distancing is unnecessary. Do you know what research he has done on the subject? You seem to. Do tell me, what research you have done on the subject of social distancing and please state your source(s) and conclusions.
@@NobleVenture77 Please say if you agree with what has been said below. *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_* *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
@@NobleVenture77 Firstly, I note that you have refused to answer the question in my earlier post where I asked if you agreed with the two statements in bold text. Next, you say that Hitchens has not said the policy of social distancing is unnecessary. You used the word 'wrong' whereas I used the term, 'unnecessary' when I said in my previous post, the one you responded to, "You seem to believe with your independent thinking that Hitchens has researched the subject and believes that social distancing is unnecessary." Let's get that ironed out, I did not use the term, 'wrong', I used the term 'unnecessary' .. a minor point but best to clear that up now. Anyway, Hitchens has certainly said exactly that, i.e. that it is unnecessary and so has the "expert" he bases his views on, Prof. Bhakdi. I disagree with them both on this issue as do many epidemiologists, The Lancet and other scientists and doctors around the world. Dealing with Hitchens' comments, Mike said in the video that social distancing appears to be working. Hitchens said in response, "There are two points there." He mentions the police having greatly moderated their behaviour since the intervention of Lord Sumption recently, and I agree that some forces have indeed been too officious on at least several occasions. Hitchens asks why is it that supermarkets can remain open while garden centres can't! (A quite unbelievable and ridiculous question! I suppose I'll have to explain why I say this ... garden centres don't sell that essential commodity which keeps us all alive, i.e. food and often, ... medicines!) Then he says, "There's certainly another fundamental question which does totally need to be examined. First of all, is this action effective? Is there any evidence whatsoever that it is effective? And the answer is, ... no." He carries on ... "If you look at all of the countries which have experienced Covid-19 outbreaks from China (names about 14 countries) ... you will not find a pattern which suggests that shutting down the economy and restricting personal freedom actually reduces any deaths at all." Along with what he has said here, Hitchens believes in what Bhakdi has so strongly said .... see below where I have transcribed the pertinent points he has made on this issue. Well, having made it perfectly clear that Hitchens does indeed see that social distancing is unnecessary, I'm hoping you will now see my point and admit that he does see it as unnecessary. You say, _"I know he has looked into the research of Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi which if you visit his you tube page and click the translate option you will get the gist of his concern; that human rights are severely being breached, doctors basically now have a license to do what they want, and the damaging effects on the economy will cause untold suffering on human kind. Is this really a policy that puts people first?"_ I have already and many days ago, researched what Bhakdi has said along with what The Lancet has said on social distancing. Bhakdi said in his video, *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!"_* Actually ... the answer is clearly: YES! That is a proven statistic ... a fact. Covid-19 has killed people with no underlying health issues as well as young people with no underlying health issues. He is wrong, and there is NO doubt of that whatsoever. This so called "expert" who Hitchens appears to trust is clearly wrong if numerous data compiled by numerous experts is to be relied on. It has already been seen that people with no underlying health issues have died from Covid-19. Also, there are many reports of young people and with no underlying health issues dying from it. In another part of the video, Bhakdi states, *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless."_* Senseless? Of course it has spread to the general population, hence the need for the measures introduced by almost every country ... including, social distancing and so called lock downs. If you say you can't see the stupidity in both of these statements made by Bhakdi, I simply don't believe you. On social distancing, here is a clip from The Lancet published on March 23rd, 2020. _"In the absence of any pharmaceutical intervention, the only strategy against COVID-19 is to reduce mixing of susceptible and infectious people through early ascertainment of cases or reduction of contact."_
@@NobleVenture77 You say, _"A third to a quarter common cold viruses are actually coronoviruses' - Dr Seth Berkeley. This has clearly been affecting people for many years so what's all the fuss about all of a sudden?"_ Yep! I can't argue with that, ... just like a common cold. How have we all missed that? I can't imagine!
Saturnine Pedantic, splitting hairs ! Actually I am a true Briton as confirmed by tracing my ancestry back. One hour a day is an infringement on my liberty. I can’t even get my shopping in or walk my dog in an hour. I also have loved ones I would like to spend time with and I would like to see my young grandchildren before they forget who I am. Before you start saying we’ll use technology, I can’t cuddle my kids or play physically with my grandkids using technology well not in any meaningful way anyway.
"The government has set aside a massive amount of money..." ...... how naive of Graham. And God Bless Hitchins for, at very least, intelligently and courageously putting forward an/the opposing view.
"I don't think he has got any answers". Well he talked about the trade off between safety and livelihood; the disproportionality of government action, the harm done to civil liberties; and he may have mentioned many unintended consequences like production lines being disrupted, people being depressed at home, people not getting enough vitamin D because they don't see the sun much, and all the future deaths which poverty will bring, due to the government locking down the economy so heavily. You, on the other hand just accept (together with the kitchen sink) WHATEVER the government tells you. When massive inflation soon hits the country because of unbacked new currency (created out of thin air) and we experience massive inflation, you will understand that the lockdown and bailouts only made a bad situation much worse. Government doesn't have any money -in fact, it already OWES MONEY- so for every penny it spends, it will collect more than a penny; either by taxes, borrowing or currency debasement. Please go study some Austrian school of economics; and learn about things like the structure of production, central banking, the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, marginal utility and opportunity cost, as well as Monetary History. You should also watch Mike Maloney's The Hidden Secrets Of Money series on UA-cam, and the financial film called "The Bubble" (made last year), to fast enlighten yourself on questions of economics and liberty. Kind regards.
There would have been a greater justification for doing so back then. Today, with an advanced healthcare system and greater awareness, we have much better outcomes. News reports seem less keen on highlighting the fact that the vast majority of people who contract COVID-19 will recover between 14-21 days. One healthcare resource said death is rare-- which it is. While we are certainly grieved by the loss of life in Italy and Spain, we cannot allow emotion to cloud our reason during this panic.
Sorry, I like Mike Graham, but i LOVE Peter Hitchens. I have listened to him all week, and he is absolutely CORRECT! 100%. The Government has been 'Brainwashed' by Hysteria, and by the Media.We are seriously going to pay for this. God Help us!!!
What are Hitchens qualifications for saying this? This is NOT influenza .. the policy in the U.K. is the same as almost all other countries. Just google what’s happening in Ecuador and see what happens when a health system collapses.
I was followed harassed and intimidated by police today just gor taking my boy for a walk on a nice Easter Sunday, this is like living in the Soviet union, people have become self righteous and shame and report anyone who doesn't wish to be locked down and follow theese tyrannical fake laws.
Why do all presenters interrupt Peter Hitchens. I’ve learnt over the years that people who the media try to shut up are usually telling the truth
Piers Morgan did the same thing when they had him on the other day
Because the art of conversation is lost on him. He would just take over if the interviewer didn’t stop him.
Cos Peter doesn't give him a chance to talk
I don't think Peter does himself any favors, he does yammer on and if we analysed the spoken time of each participant Peter would have over 75%. I've noticed in this video that he seems to get to a point where anyone else would have finished speaking as they have made their argument, yet he just continues on until hes challenged.
I would get frustrated interviewing him if i disagreed with anything he put forward as it seems like it would be difficult to respond without having to cut in.
because they're thicker than him and fear being shown up as such
Pretty rude introduction.
He already knows they will clash and just talk over each other and that's exactly what they did. Most annoying.
Total number of deaths for January to April last year are the same as this year. The only difference is that deaths from other diseases are being put down as a Corona death.
Mainstream media was reporting over 1000 deaths from “Coronavirus”, yet ONS, by the same date, reported 108 “COVID-19” deaths
@@thewrongopinion7811 , ONS are only reporting deaths from 2 weeks ago - week 12. There were barely any reported Covid deaths then.
Mike Creed - again, ONS haven't reported death since week 12. Of course it's going to show negligible difference relative to last year. We'll have to wait until week 14 (mid April) in order to see stats which matter.
Hear hear.
The Diamond Princess is the perfect control model of the virus. If one studies the incident and the outcome, one will then understand much more.
@@timwhale9434 it's a case study for the virus in a lockdown situation, not the virus in an open environment.
I'm only here to listen to Peter. I had to suffer through Graham's interruptions
It's still good to hear from people critical of Peter Hitchens, though.
Robert Gallagher
Same here
Full agreement with you Robert. When I invite someone to be my guest, whether into my home or onto my show, I owe them at least a thin veneer of courtesy and an opportunity to speak their mind for perhaps longer than 45 seconds before trying to draw everyone's attention back to its right and proper object, myself.
the interruptions are useful though as they reveal the script for NWO takeover. He said it could be a good thing to crash the economy. In any normal world you would be sacked for that if a labour mayor can be sacked for saying Boris deserves a spell in hospital. Both comments are spiteful. This bloke goes on to say the High street is dying anyway. Really ? He doesn't live in London then. The immigrant population who have revived our high streets are seeing their livelihoods thrashed for the NWO. If it was not for polish and asian food shops we would be at the mercy of the NWO crooks like tax fraudsters Tesco
Graham is a plank and he comes across and childish and bratty.
I agree with Peter, this whole situation is mental. The “experts” are focused on one problem.
We could reduce motorcycle deaths by banning motorcycles. It doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.
Brilliantly illustrative and succinct.
Lot's of deaths on the roads but we don't stop vehicles. Govts are making a massive mistake with restrictions causing the economic catastrophe
Truly truly TRULY nauseating individual! Whose existence only serves to highlight how missed his vastly superior intellect his elder brother was! These scumbag "libertairians" like him and that piece of crap Carl Benjamin should be sent to an ICU ward without PPE!
Very well said. Peter is spot on in 'calling out' this catastrophic and utterly disproportionate policy. The Government is succumbing to hysteria just to be 'seen to be doing something'. The economic and societal consequences of this absurd lockdown will be far more damaging than covid-19.
Brad West attack the man when you can’t attack the idea. Also Sargon is ace😎
Why inviting Peter to expand on his ideas when all you do is being rude to him and wanting to take him down a peg or two.
Cheap tactics!
He talks over his guests on plank of the week as well.
Don’t forget who owns talk radio the scum says it all really
Mesolithic Man fair enough.... am I allowed to make a comment though?
@@mesolithicman164 why are you commenting your vapid opinion all over the place
@@chrxs.2938 Yes, he has to kick the narrative.
Peter is making a valid point that the mainstream media should give air time to.
T H they do, he was on this morning Britain last week
@@Cornwall1888 they didnt let him speak hardly
If Peter disbelieves the ferocity of this virus he's welcome to join the flat earthers' in licking toilet seats & hand rails or wait until a healthy prominent person dies (not BJ) before acknowledging he was wrong.
I suspect hell will freeze over first.
James he spoke 5x more than the other guests, don’t listen to his whining
The msm are loving this, they won't give airtime to any dissent whatsoever. And when we come out of it and look around at all the devastation they will blame the government, calmly denying that their hysterical reporting caused it all.
Not the person to get into a gunfight with a knife Mike. Peter Hitchens always seems to have research to back his arguments with references.
Exactly, that is what people keep ignoring. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with Peter Hitchens, but the number who misrepresent his position are astonishing. They say he doesn't care about the elderly, that he only cares about money, that he isn't listening to the experts, etc. None of this is true. Why not deal with what he *actually* says?
Künstlerin-DAB1995 As much as I dislike Mike Graham, he never misrepresented Peter’s position. He just disagreed with his assessment.
Künstlerin-DAB1995 People forget its money that keeps people alive/healthy/ safe/well fed/educated/a sense of purpose (employment ).
It’s not a dichotomy.
Nev - Please say if you agree with what has been said below.
*_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_*
*_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
I have the source for the above and will provide it but I'm interested in what your view of it is.
Nev ... Any luck with finding an answer to my question sent yesterday?
Interviewer: "Japan has a terribly high level of deaths"
At the time of writing this, Japan has 85. Eighty Five.
Beyond dishonest.
Not sure this was dishonesty but more the usual standard of journalism employed by this radio personality.
They are about to announce a state of emergency in the main cities. They do the tests/results differently to other nations.
Beyond dishonest,,, I would hardly call it that ! Japan has now announced a sate of emergency as their figures have doubled from last week. Japan may lead the world in certain technologies but they tend to do many things their own way and they often get it wrong. It will be interesting how Japan and Sweden's figures stack up over the next month but the truth is that countries who didn't take quick action have suffered the most so far. Peter is entitled to his opinion but I wiould rather put my faith in the scientists any day of the week...
kenny thomson exactly. The population is the oldest in the world, family’s are very tight, they are terrified of an Italian situation arising, it hasn’t yet because of the social discipline but it’s in the post.
kenny thomson. But the scientists have very differing opinions both at home and in other countries. In the U.K. we switched from the herd immunity pathway to home isolation.......both said to be “following the science”.
Those who would give up essential liberties, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790
"Japan has a terribly high amount of deaths" - Mike Graham
Japan - 85 deaths
Mike Graham has absolutely no idea of the facts.
No. He said debt I think.
@@TheNelster72 No, he said deaths.
MG sounded like an extension of the BBC here. Very disappointing.
@@salnaturile8653 it was funny how many things peter was saying that he hadn't heard before and he took notes on. he was completely unaware that was any serious opposition to this policy at all which was from where his initial arrogance stemmed. his best foot forward was to pretend to be cordial by setting out ground rules he had no intention of following. he lacks the capacity to understand how hopeless he is.
peter hitchens is spot on and won!
Then Boris Johnson went into intensive care... He must feel like a right idiot now haha.. the flu doesn't cause prime ministers/ healthy middle aged men to be admitted to intensive care.
@@roro-mm7cc You are wasting your time with these people Roman! It is flu - or a cold - or has been blown out of all proportion, or the "narrative" being peddled (pedalled!😅) is all wrong or, the countries economics are more important, or, a Daily Mail journalist knows better than the epidemiologists and scientists or, the government ain't to be trusted 'cos they lied about the WMDs (That one's a real classic!)! Don't you understand? They must be right - there are so many of 'em - how could they all be wrong? 😅
@@roro-mm7cc You seen how fat Boris is ?
Do you know his personal health issues ?
@@roro-mm7cc Oh yes it does
And I’d hardly say Boris is a figure of healthy manhood!
@@roro-mm7cc You still confident in your statement
lol
Well we can watch what happens with Sweden and decide who is right in a couple of months.
Sweden is looking pretty good at the moment. 47 deaths per million of the population vs UK at 74 deaths per million. New infections and deaths decreasing daily in Sweden. Increasing in the UK.
And we can watch what happens with 10million extra unemployed in the US, 1million extra unemployed in the UK, 0% GDP growth in China. Or go to Bangladesh which just lost £2.4billion in garment orders. One thing is for sure, that damage will not be over in a couple of months.
The lockdown was not a cool-headed rational response of experts, it was not a pre-existing plan that swung into action. It was a PANIC reaction.
@@jamescaley9942 The fallout from this economic mismanagement will last for a generation. The Credit Crunch will seem like an inconvenience compared to what is around the corner.
@@jamescaley9942 yes you're absolutely correct!
@@jamescaley9942 I'm afraid this is going to take a lot longer than a couple of months. The impact on our economy and therefore on our health service will be catastrophic.
He is speaking sense. This lockdown is insane.
"It's not an infringement of my personal liberty to be told not to leave my house. It's not much of a massive problem". Buffoon. We can argue whether it's called for in these circumstances or not but self-evidently it is a whacking great infringement and arguing otherwise makes Graham look a complete eejit.
Agreed, I bristle every time I see the government's warnings. The latest one was "You might catch more than the sun" if you go to the beach. Now, I will respect the social distancing rules, but that line is nothing but shameless scare-mongering, paid for by taxpayer's money (soon to be diminished after this crushing economic shutdown).
That line jumped out at me. The lockdown was base on phony projections, that's clear now.
Lockdowns are for Iran, and North Korea, not for Western democracies.
@@liner011f7 I suspect that Iranians and Koreans would strongly disagree with the second part of your statement.
WolfGratz can’t believe he thought that was a good point. He’s totally wrong. Of course it is a huge deal if you can only leave your house to buy essential goods. If you live alone you’ve essentially been banned from all REAL human interactions except speaking to a check out person. It’s disgraceful.
You aren't addressing the point bur merely issuing a quick ad hominem. The argument isn't whether confining most of a nation to their homes is needed but rather whether it is a large scale infringement - which plainly it is. I even went to the trouble of explaining that in the first place. My pains, humanely taken all, all lost.
How does driving a private car risk spreading the virus?
Stephen Johnson, Getting petrol,and having an accident
Unless the person totally remains in the car 100% of the trip wherever he gets out and mixes with others he is able to introduce the virus to otherwise clean places, if the person is exposed along the way. By never leaving the car would fullfill the isolation criterion fine. But who spends 100% of time in the car, rather spend the time at home. Australia has only 30 deaths and 5000+ known corona positive cases and restrictions ARE showing reducing incidence of infection.
Helmuth Schultes . Yes, I agree. But provided the social distancing requirement is respected, what issue?
More journeys= more chance of accidents= more strain on the NHS.
orkney ancestor. Ok.....best not go to the supermarket.
Peter completely dismantled him on the economic question especially
@@mesolithicman164 It doesn't take Einstein to work out a business unable to operate is not going to survive for very long.
@@mesolithicman164 . I know you're annoying others on these pages as you're regularly putting your points across.
I have to admit that I agree and almost fully concur with nearly all of them
Mesolithic Man I whole heartedly agree.
@@mesolithicman164 nations were not under this magnitude of debt, collectively after said world wars. to have one organ shut down, one can supplement with medicine until it heals. this is a complete organ failure, it is catastrophic. you can have as much faith as you like but delusion doesn't make literal bread.
Nope!
Agree with him or not, Peter Hitchens is super intelligent and his opinion deserves to be respected
I'd say he's the poor/stupid man's smart person. He may be slightly above average in intelligence, but is unable to see nuance in things he doesn't like. Also, pointing to Sweden, which now has much higher death rates than other, neighbouring countries isn't a very smart move if you want to argue his position. There are far better examples, which he dismissed because he's incapable of nuanced analysis. He usually has an opinion, and selectively chooses the evidence supporting that position while dismissing all the contrary evidence (even if it's overwhelming, while the evidence supporting his position is flimsy at best).
@@AAWT That is originally Peter Hitchens own quote about Stephen Fry ... "A stupid persons idea of an intelligent man". Ha ha ha try again mate ..
@@AAWT I totally agree. He's like the typical undergraduate of a top ten university who is very passionate about his views and can cite a few bullet points example that he feels make his arguments tenable when they can easily be refuted by contrary evidence that's more overwhelming in the opposing direction. I think Peter Hitchens is a cheap knock off version of his more intelligent and articulate brother Christopher Hitchens who was witty, humorous and likeable which Peter Hitchens isnt. Peter Hitchens is a professional controversialist who suffers from delusions of grandeur and seems immune to the analytical rigour of facts and empirical research. He's an opinionated journalist who is carrying out his job description but he isn't a learned knowledge man who has rigorously studied the subject matter of what he's discussing. He's read a few articles and journals and is cutting and pasting them to provoke controversy. He's just a middle class privately educated fool whose ignorance is veiled by a middle class accent and manners but his opinion is no different to a car mechanic or lavatory cleaner
WALOFS!
This is impossible to listen to. Don't ask him questions if you are going to cut him up ever 5 seconds, I want to hear him ffs.
The point of the exercise IS to restrict liberty, that's the point.
Funny, they were both on the same side trying restrict liberty with Brexit and now many of the same people are moaning about the lockdown. Some people have short memories.
@@danquixote6072 Yeah true.
@@danquixote6072 How were they trying to restrict liberty with Brexit?
@@jonoessex Because they restricted Dan's right to be dictated to by unelected bureaucrats. Now shhh, no more questions.
This is slowly evolving into ‘where are these weapons of mass destruction’ peter is correct.
in what way?
I think you're right. He must be listened to
In this case I believe there is one, it's called 5G, but our attention has been diverted. There has been massive covert roll out of 5G during the lockdown, everyone should do little bit of research into what 60Ghz radiation does to living things.
If I was betting on who will be proved right if you look back at this interview in 2 years time .... my money would be on Peter Hitchens ....
Mine too
Yup, this will be the next phase (we should have done something different, which we now know with the benefit of hindsight...)
I think we will find out sooner.... Hitchens is betting on the Swedish model.... we will find out in the next few weeks who’s right and who’s wrong ... Norway locked down (6,086 cases / 93 deaths). Sweden business as usual (8,419 cases / 687 deaths)....as of today..... it’s already starting to look like he’s wrong on this.
@@mikefrank1975 Yes, the evidence is right there before our eyes.
John Bossy you’re not accounting for the likely far larger number of deaths caused by the aftershocks of this lockdown. The mental health problems caused by social isolation are enormous (which is why solitary confinement is now illegal and a human rights violation in U.K. prisons) lead to increased suicides. The number of jobs lost from the inevitable recession will cause people to lose their livelihoods and their raison d’être and we know all recessions cause a spike in self harm and suicides as well. Not to mention that the government won’t be able to afford proper healthcare for the nhs in the future because of the economic catastrophe caused by this so people will not get the care they need in the future and subsequently die
Why is Talk Radio hiding the Like/Dislike ratio here in this clip. Peter Hitchins is 100% correct.
Well said. Peter Hitchens is spot on.
@@crawford1083 Christopher was sympathetic to libertarianism too especially in his views of the "nanny state". Wonder what his view would be on this.
@@crawford1083 Settle down, Mike.
@@davekp6773 Whatever the leftwing equivalent of Godwins Law is, (s)Hitchens falls for it. Sees totalitarianism around every corner after his years of working in Eastern Europe.
No he isnt reckless talk is easy
Peter Hitchens is twice the journalist mike could ever be
Which is being very generous to Mr Wobbly Gob
"Hold on Peter we've got plenty of time"............"Hurry up Peter we're going to run out of time"
Peter is quoting experts he is not saying he is an expert
Peter is getting paid for being a pain in the ass
So you don't think the government have many more experts than Peter has spoken to, and better experts at that? I honestly don't understand how some of you people think, or even if you do think.
Suddenly everyone wants to listen to experts
@@futurez12 You should do some research as there are many, many world renowned experts (and I'm not talking about ordinary NHS consultants or GPs here) who agree with Hitchens. It would seem a report from Professor Neil Ferguson and the rather dubious Imperial College is why the country has been shut down.
JSkillz it’s another point of view, it’s important to question. It’s call free speech. Something people like you don’t respect
I don't think I'll listen to this presenter again. He was grating on me.
Look on the bright side: he has aired dissent from the standard line.
Same I used to be a fan but it seems he has shown his true colours now
Good riddens go watch good morning Britain
@@markwilson2421 Bloody hell, that's a harsh punishment isn't it? I don't think I could cope with Piers Morgan when I've just woken up.
@WhyOWhy Exactly. I wanted to hear what the caller had to say but Hitchen's constantly talking over him meant we didn't really get to hear his points explained.
If he wants to an opinion show where he just gives his own view on political topics, I'm sure people would listen but it's pointless having a call-in show when callers can't get a word in.
Bit of a rude interview.
They don't agree and that is fine. At least we heard *two* different opinions.
Mike clearly has Zero grasp of basic economics.
Let everyone catch it then - you too, but are you sure that "you" would survive catching it? are you totally sure?? Please feel free to try it out for size if you want to.
Basic economics is one thing, but remember, without a population or a workforce there is no "economy" is there!
@@ericwilliams2317 Wasn't suggesting "let everyone catch it"...And no I'm not sure I won't catch it but that's not really the point. The point is the cure will be worse than the disease and Mike doesn't seem to have a grasp of the gravity of the economic implications of all this. It's lost perspective.
Agreed.
He's friends with the current Conservative Party who have no understanding of economics. Rishi Sunak and Boris will ruin the economy as they're basically a soft-socialist Labour-lite party. Essentially New Labour.
@@ericwilliams2317 if everyone caught it...you would then achieve herd immunity. Even if everyone caught it, that doesn't change the mortality rate.
As per actual scientific papers they all seem to suggest that the mortality rate is in par with a bad influenza season.
Peter is completely 100%
right.
It seems so. Even the guardian have started to question Ferguson's numbers now.
Hitchens is 100% correct.
100% wrong
@@paulheath7407. Give over, it's not even in the top 15 threats to human life. Until the world economy is being sut down beacuse of the biggest threats, this is a massive over reaction and will prove to be a catastrophic mistake.
@@paulheath7407 state a reason or stfu
@@anthonypickup8697 Oh that's fine then, lets just throw everyone's grandparents on the corpse pile because YOU don't think it maters. Will you be so casual about it if you have to bury loved ones yourself, or is it only acceptable provided its OTHER people suffering the loss?
@@lesigh1749 Well said !
I would say Peter won , mike you need to allow your guests to finish what they are saying , well said Peter i agree with every point you made
Droning on and on and on is not winning!
@@crawford1083 Telling the truth is
I love Peter but he does sometimes drag his replies out. If Mike wanted to ask him 4 or 5 questions in a timeslot then salt he will have to interrupt really long answers.
@@mauvechalk thats because Mike has no tolerance of things that go against his own mindset , the reason you invite guest to talk is to listen to their view
Deaths in Japan 85 Mike. Not “terribly high” as you say
And yet the Japanese government is going full state of emergency from tomorrow as case have spike massively
@@overcorpse Thailand currently has 26 deaths recorded as a result of this and yet they've effectively closed the country for at least a month. The losses, pain and ultimately deaths that ultimately arise from this action are far likely to exceed the number of deaths caused by the virus in my opinion. I think that is what Peter Hitchens is arguing here, albeit in the UK.
Hi Danny,
Think he said debt and not death(-:
Anyway I fully agree with Peter too!!!
@@Tommo77ful yes I also agree as a resident of Phuket. Starvation suicide poverty will all follow if the policy continues much longer
That’s 85,000 deaths
With you all the way Peter. 👍
Stopped listening to this ten minutes in. Terrible host.
People are so good at making Peter sound like he’s wrong when really he’s well closer to the mark than they are
Event 201 Pandemic simulation drill 18th October 2019 New York USA. World Military Games 18th October 2019 Wuhan China. " Is this real world or exercise " ?
@@winniedog2510 Here's another "coincidence", Chinas most advanced virology labs are in Wuhan. Some are around 300m from the wet market supposedly involved in the outbreak. Chinese academics, before being silenced, reported that the disease came from horseshoe bats, and that there were none sold in the wet market, and the closest wild population was 900km away. However they were being experimented on in corona virus research in labs within stone's throw of the market.
These are reported facts, and don't need a conspiracy to figure out. The Chinese were working on corona viruses, probably for military use, and one way or another there was a lab accident and a new strain got out in public.
@@Sinsteel @ Marquis de Favras. There is no virus. We are in a game, a war game.
They are good at trying, but we can all see Graham here is full of himself, government propaganda, shit and pies, whilst on the other hand Peter Hitchens isn't. Simple really.
If the DJ lived in one room crammed with children sharing a kitchen and a toilet with other occupants he'd have another view of liberty
Yes, the effect of confinement on children is ghastly. Another reason to oppose this lockdown.
Well said David
How can trashing livelihoods and the economy possibly be the correct response to anything. It is exactly what an outside aggressor would seek to achieve!
Bury your own parents and grandparents. You don't get to toss anyone else's on the pile for economic convenience.
You are drawing a false equivalence.
Yes the economy is suffering, however the toll for not acting now would be much higher.
As one youtuber points out - in hindsight acting early in a pandemic looks like an overreaction while acting late in a pandemic looks like too little of a reaction.
By acting early in the pandemic it looks like and will look like an overreaction - the problem is that if we did not take this action the irreversible damage cause would be much bigger.
@@Slarti I think you misunderstood my comment, I agree with the need to have a lockdown.
New York's Mayor left it too late, and downplayed things, and we see that city has become the US ground zero for the outbreak. Sweden proudly kept its society running as normal, and today they had to accept their error and begin locking down, hundreds of thousands more infected cases will likely have resulted from that delay. These people arguing the economic case for simply letting 2.5 % of the populace die, make me sick.
@@lesigh1749 I meant to reply to Stephen Johnson, I agree with your points.
Stephen Johnson ... It is exactly what someone with a globalist agenda would do. Contain And control the public economically and through fear. Cull the population at the same time especially the elderly with their expensive government pensions. Enforce curfews and lock down and when the pandemic is over come out as the hero who saved the nation and take over. Maybe it’s just me but something just doesn’t seem to smell right to me. Briton is an island, why didn’t government just stop all people coming in to our country at the very first hint of a virus.??? This could all of been avoided and why weren’t they prepped and ready for this eventuality? China is an awful long way away from GB. and why are they still not testing arrivals at our airports in fact why have we still got arrivals at our airports. Only goods should be arriving.
Interrupting Peter as he's making an important point [Not essential].
Mike Graham couldn’t hold a debate let along a fair interview if his life depended upon it . He constantly rides roughshod over his guests and callers and is so obsessed with his own inflated opinions it’s sickening. This is a man who constantly reassured us by telling us he is never wrong about almost everything.
Spot on !
I live very near Clumber park in Notts. Fully payed up member of the National trust. Went for a bike ride today for 45mins, ( 7 am ) not a sole in site . I do this time so I get my allowed Exercise before the local grocer opens to collect fresh fruit and veg for the local care homes on the way back home.. Guess what ? As I was leaving a person ( group of 3 walking ) went out of their way to tell me I should not of driven to bike exercise.. WHAT A MESS!!! Turning into too many Chiefs I think.
Yeah let’s print money and print more money and more money and more the government want let you down .
WhyOWhy correct my friend just wait till negative interest rates come and then the run on the banks maybe just maybe then the sheep will open there eyes and see how the central bank system doesn’t work for us but for them god help us all in the next few years
WhyOWhy again correct my friend. The people are in darkness about how money works either by choice or lack off education about monetary systems (they don’t teach you that at school mmmm) there may be hope after the 2008 bailout that people are wiser but sadly I hold little hope. Things will get tough you look after yourself and your family good look for the future. Let’s pray we are wrong 👍
Hey, didn't they do that in the Wiemar in the early thirties? You can see where I'm going with this.........!
the nhs costs approx 120bn per year , the same that the gov get in from fuel taxes ....with us all not driving anywhere the gov is down about 100bn straight away . we are not coming back from this , this is insane
Burning the economy is scaring the hell out of me, but I hadn't considered tax from fuel while the roads are empty. Scarier by the second...
@@philg7889 the hospitals cant possibly be struggling because there are no car accidents, no builders falling off things, no people getting drunk and fighting , they are so bored they are making videos of themselves dancing , i think these hospitals are being erected for returning troops , the the NEC is next , 5000 beds.
Refreshing to hear someone actually challenge the usual narrative being pedalled everywhere else.
You didn't win Mike. It was a discussion/interview not a debate.
Peter made a plethora of thought provoking and substantive points.
You made none.
Do some research before interviewing someone like Peter.
What Peter is saying is 100% true. The safety first principle is anything but safety.
Craig Banks so true , and why is HEATHROW AIRPORT still letting floods of people arrive here , 100's and 100's .... no swabs , checks , and no POLICE forcing "social distancing" . the virus is coming into the UK still by people arriving at airports but the POLICE are now arresting people sitting on their OWN quietly in parks .
I agree people from COVID hotspots still allowed in - doh! Police having a go about someone walking a dog with nobody around them, yet houses robbed by us and nobody bothered, its not going to be safe and risk free if it comes back is it, or it comes around every year, and the NHS needs funding no good if nobody is earning money, what about other life threatening conditions untreated, people made redundant, social issues, domestic abuse, small businesses closed etc, not sure its been thought through tbh
@@MickeyCool30 Are the houses being robbed because the people living there have gone out??? Stay in and your house won't get burgled - simples!
@@MickeyCool30 yes , i think the "advisors" have been unbelievably stupid or unbelievably evil and even now Boris having taken the "advice" of those idiot dr's walking out with him into the conference room , when this started , now Boris is fighting for his life in ICU . i can't believe how badly this has been planned or not planned . just so scary how these idiot "advisors" think ... they KNEW IT WAS SPREADING FAST , but still didn't STOP ALL flights , not closing schools , true the economy might collapse and my sister has her own small business , but at least we're having 80% of our normal earnings .... it's far better than countries like China or India etc ... Maybe the City of London told / advised the PM not to stop flights ? "business as usual" / WHO owns , controls the city of London ? the Banking system ?
Utter crap!
The hitchslap has come back, RIP Christopher Hitchins your little brother is passing on the mantle of you my hero
callum bevan-margetts Your Hero was a 60s Revolutionary Trot Globalist turned Science Absolutionist and War Monger!
I’m guessing that’s what you are ?
The two brothers were and are very different.
Give me Peter every time!
I wish Christopher was still with us love hear what he would say on corona virus
Christopher Hitchens was just brilliant, I miss him so much and would have loved to have heard his take on this crisis, as well as his ongoing demolition of SJWs and political correctness. As you said Callum, RIP the great man.
Twat. Truly truly TRULY nauseating individual! Whose existence only serves to highlight how missed his vastly superior intellect his elder brother was!
@@crawford1083 Brad wake up
Mike Graham's face tells it all. He's rolling his eyes when facts are levelled at him.
I have nothing but contempt for this human being.
When all this is over, there will be a reconing for all those people who perpetrated and perpetuated this, including you Mr Graham.
Tbf he's given Peter a platform, and a lot of us wouldn't otherwise had heard any of his contribution here
I have nothing against Mike Graham. He gave Peter Hitchens a platform, which is more than many others have done.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 peter was invited on gmb, so his views are quite publicised. The question here is - why he is the only one with opposing views to be invited?
@@dommarston23 I am pretty sure that the credit should go to the owners of lbc.
Peter Hitchens - 1
Mike Graham - Nil.
Why can’t this interviewer have an open mind?
Daniel Gaskin - what? Peter Hitchens argument is basically ‘no not really’, some assertions and the names of cherry picked experts.
Hitchens mind is so open his brain's are spilling out.
Kevin Buckley - yes, I don’t agree with Christopher’s politics, but the asymmetry of intelligence between the brothers is remarkable. Peter often seems as if there is something not-all-there.
@@NapoleonGelignite no doubt he does not try to assimilate the whole picture including the very important fact that valuable time was lost debating and promoting herd immunity. The fact that Germany with it lockdown and test test test is performing much better than us.
The only conclusion being that something is profound ignorance.
His masters will not allow open minds, it is verboten, people might die! Trust your gubmints, be immortal!
Oh FGS! let people speak bad interviewer. So why are there closed empty wards, they were filmed completely empty ...in Milton Keynes, a Photographer has been sent to jail? ODD
Because it goes against the gubmint propaganda. We've all seen the proof from around the world. Scam is obvious.
This graham would be wise to heed the advice of a greater mind than his who said
" Those willing to give up their freedom for security deserve neither and will loose both"
To be fair, Mike Graham is a very intelligent man & can hold his own with the best of them.
@@WolfeTone66 is he? I find him to be very crude and its his body language thats intimidating, especially for Oxbridge folks. He worked for daily express ffs.
For the uninformed:
On Twitter, Mike Graham invited Peter Hitchens onto his radio show to discuss and debate their opposing points of view.
This was NOT an interview.
@WhyOWhy I was just starting to think the same- the presenter was just trying to score points. At the end he says "I think I won" whereas Hitchens only stated the situation in terms of reality. The only thing the LBC presenter "won" was in the number of interruptions he made.
@@MikeGgeetar this isn't LBC...
Peter absolutely nails it! I'd almost forgotten what real journalism was!
And now 2yrs later !!!!
And now people are moaning about the cost 🙄
Oh how the times have changed !
I’ve often wondered what if the media hadn’t reported on this at all would anyone would have noticed !
Rude interviewer,I guess that's why never listen to him.
Rude !! You're such a snowflake
@@gumusluk05 Ouch!
I find him rude too.
@@annecdavies1350 well he just looks like a lump of wobbly contradiction to me ( nothing personal to him ) easy money I think .
Gina Shiel ouch! Love it I can’t wait to use that 🤣
Which the host
Would keep quiet
Can’t hear what your guest is saying mate... maybe that’s the intention🙄
Which the host?🤔
Please employ somebody with the intellectual ability to interview people like Peter Hitchens.
He ALWAYS talks over people. He does love his monologues.
Hitchens is a total fool. He has fragments of knowledge on which he bases an absolute belief that he is right.
If he is right and we don't listen to him, we lose time and money. if he is wrong and we listen to him, we lose tens of thousands of people. We can recover financial losses, we cant get back dead loved ones. Its a logical fallacy, and Hitchens is an odious prick for the position he is arguing.
@@mesolithicman164Spot on! And he relies on a so called "expert" called Prof. Bhakdi who has said on video addressed to Angela Merkel ...
*_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_*
*_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
Nonsense!
@@mesolithicman164 Correct MM ... this below is what I ask regarding Hitchens' idol, Professor Bhakdi. I quote just two of his statements. They are in bold type below.
Please say if you agree with what has been said below.
*_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_*
*_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
I rest my case!
@@mesolithicman164 Absolutely, Hitchens is very much a faux intellectual. All, he ever does really is play devils advocate and talk about things he knows he will never reasonably be asked to prove. He can always say forever after this lockdown ends that it was the wrong thing to do, because nobody can replay history and not have a lock down to show him how badly things would turn out without it. There is nothing clever in his position, it is just general whinging really.
17:45 "Japan has a terribly high level of deaths."
B.S.
Japan has 85 deaths from coronavirus in a population of 126 million.
Even then we don't know if those deaths are from or with the virus.
Yeah all 85 had serious health issues but kung flu killed them obviously!
When in doubt the bullfrog will always make up a fact
@@Corkedwolf43771 Obviously, Not! Kung Flu? You silly tit.
“To be asked”...way different than being told under penalty of fine or arrest.
Debate Tommy Robinson then, "Plank"
I'd rather him debate Mark Collette, Robinson has been bought.
you can see a racist a mile off
I could go on all day About Robinson the chancer
@@wotnotwas Go on then..........See how much we just do not care
WHO ?
Mike, is it not alarming that we are tip-toeing to Totalitarianism?
I'm normally a fan of Mike Graham but this interview was extremely disappointing and he performed like an intellectual midget compared to Hitchens.
Well played Peter. Hope more people see this!
Its funny how LBC and talkRADIO always seem to experience technical problems, when a guest start talking sense on air, and questions what we we are being told.
I sincerely hope that the economy will pick up after this crisis, but I fear it won’t for years to come
It may not, and those who caused this crash will pay no price.
Künstlerin-DAB1995 i assume you mean China won’t pay. They certainly won’t want to pay or, as we have seen already, even take responsibility for this mess
Timothy Hallett I believe that's the idea and ultimately enslave us in a cashless society run by a technocracy as well as other things like social crediting system, ID2020 run by AI/5g network/Internet of Things. Freedom will be destroyed and the country will be like China.
Hitchens knows what he's talking about.
Based on????
@@ericwilliams2317 I notice no reply forthcoming!
There are two almost definite truths. One: lock down will slow down transmission. How could it not. Two: shutting the economy will cause a contraction in wealth and higher rates of mortality (just check the history of recessions if you are unconvinced). So the argument is when does one outweigh the other. No one knows, but let’s keep talking about this. What we mustn’t do is allow individuals who are focused on one thing and one thing only decide the way forward. We need collective wisdom in this.
I agree. How long will it be until we break even? This is not just lives vs economy. This is lives vs lives.
I agree with Peter Hitchens, strange how Graham is out working 🤷♀️ just saying.
interviewer: "I don't think he is right"
solution: hide the thumbs ratio
but with 384 comments all pro Peter I think we know what's what
Hitchens is a pompous idiot who has no understanding of what he is advocating. If the country did as he suggests, hundreds of thousands of people would be dead by summer as a result of the virus. Not all the comments are pro peter.
@@lesigh1749 There is nothing in the data to suggest that 100,000's would die if these precautions weren't in place. The only data that supports this is the unreliable computer modelling of Neil Ferguson. There are plenty of reasons to suggest that crashing the economy which is going to happen almost inevitably now will do much greater harm. The government are willing to spunk £300B on bailouts for loss of earnings...why don't they simply spend all that looking after the ones most at risk(elderly and medically compromised)? Its ludicrous to think that this is achieving anything else other than the ruination of our country. 1452 died on average EVERY day last year...did you call for special measures then? How about the winter with 20,000+ excess mortalities...did the NHS stop treating other illnesses? Did you ask for a lockdown then? The only reason people care so much about the deaths is because they are on the telly and getting publicised. If they weren't you'd carry on with your life in your social circles as would everybody else. We are a nation of hypocrites and cowards.
@@darrencarter6350 15% of people that contract COVID-19 require oxygen treatment. We do not have the capacity to treat that percentage of the population at the same time. 5% of patients will require a ventilator to survive, we do not have enough ventilators to put that percentage of the population on one all at the same time. Even with those treatments the death rate is 1.3% for people over 50, 3.6% for people over 60, and 8% for people over 70.
Around 20% of the UK population is over 60, so even just 3.6% of those dying is well over a hundred thousand, and that's without the others from all age groups that would potentially die needlessly simply because Oxygen and ventilators weren't available in sufficient numbers.
The economy can be recovered from a recession, dead people cannot.
@To Err is HumaSee my reply to Darren Carter, it contains evidence that an unthinking moron such as yourself clearly never thought of. now crawl away and bury your own parents, you don't get to bury anyone else's with your ignorant views. This is why the country, and the rest of the western world is ignoring prats like you and Peter Hitchens.
@@lesigh1749 Whilst that is valid we simply are stuck between a rock and hard place. A leaders job is to lead and sometimes that means making difficult decisions. Why can't those statistically most at risk not be quarantined whilst the rest of us keep the economy going? Surely we could achieve that especially with the money that's going to be spent on paying all those currently unable to work. Less tax is being collected yet universal credit claims have shot up. Something has to give. Without an economy we could end up with the privatised healthcare system many people already fear. You're stating that potentially 100,000's could die. Could. Efforts would be made to alleviate that. If the economy crashes it will effect millions not hundreds of thousands. That's where being a leader and making hard decisions comes into play. He's made his choice with the lockdown and I hope for all our sakes its the best option. My analytical nature disagrees with my faith. The numbers do not justify the means. We are releasing prisoners whilst threatening lockdown flouters with jail...insane! The airports are still operating passenger flights albeit only 5%. We had migrants shipped over despite the fact they left France to come here thus making them economic migrants. There are so many flaws but as I say I have some sympathy as we are in uncharted territory. That being said the covid bill only adds to the notion that something more nefarious is afoot. Hard to work out what's fact and what's fiction at the moment.
I'm sick of the attitude in this country that somehow we're a part of a collective, NO, I'm a free, lone human being. I wasnt born a collective, I was born by myself
Maybe your Mum was there?
@@jorose2460 😂😂😂nice one
But like it or not, you are part of a whole, a part of society, and as such you have responsibilities - something that seemingly nobody wants to deal with anymore.
If you wish to have nobody to answer to, then you shouldn't choose to live in a modern, 1st world country, instead go and be a nomad in a very remote part of the world and survive many miles from anywhere - but you'll still come under somebody's jurisdiction wherever you ended up.
I think what I'm really trying to say here is stop being a simplistic, selfish whinger.
@@ericwilliams2317 I intend to, I've already bought everything I'll ever need. As soon as this is over I'm leaving society behind.
@@ericwilliams2317 and no I'm not, I'm not a communist. If you want to live in North Korea I suggest you take yourself there!
at the end of this year, overall death rates for under 65's in Uk and the rest of the world will be no different to the year if no coronavirus had occurred, death rate for over 65's will be slightly up
This interviewer knew that Peter was coming to his point so he interrupted to stop his flow. Terrible interviewer.
Agree, only clicked to hear what Peter had to say, FAT chance, hardly let him speak.
Mike Graham....the gate keeper to keep the narrative going...may you hang your head in shame and when the truth surfaces you will be shamed and your views will haunt you for all time...I watched this interview solely for Peter hitchen view....more respect for him than you'll ever have
The People are with Peter.
Nope! Those that are haven't researched why Hitchens holds his views.
@@newchan329 I think Peter has explained, to a good extent, why he holds his views. He is very good at explaining his opinions, and expressing the various issues involved. Do you have some other form of insight than his own words, as to why he holds certain opinions?
@@afifahhamilton8843 Given that where you say he is good at explaining his views please explain what you believe to be the basis for his views ... bullet points / one liners are fine, just as many as you can think of. Thanks
@@afifahhamilton8843 Any luck Afifah?
@@newchan329 Crikey! I have better things to do. Go listen to all his interviews yourself!
it is quite satisfying to see Mike Graham struggling to get a word in
Mike Grahams interruptions of Peter Hitchens make this impossible to listen to.
Yes, he kept ranting on instead of letting us listen to Peter, almost as bad as Piers, but not quite. The annoying thing is I wanted to listen to Peter and I couldn't.
It doesn't help when Hitchens decides to give speeches instead of pithy remarks.
Graham well and truly got his ar$e smacked.
Mike Graham you are really the epitome of today's lack luster and lazy journalism that bows down to one narrative !
Mike Graham is being a right git here.
Is Hitchens the only sane man in the U.K.? Oh no - there's Douglas Murray, David Starkey et al...
OK - is Hitchens the only sane (presumably) _heterosexual_ man in the U.K.?
Yeah, not that I would put them into the same category but, how is it that D. Murray, D. Starkey, D. Grimes are all gay and sane... and their first names start with a "D". Hmm.
Erm... Hitchens is gay.
David Icke, Laurence Fox, all the guys at UK column.
@@Papa1Smurf1 I know Christopher was but I have a feeling Peter is not, not 100% certain though.
Nemo Says no no, Christopher had a wife and 3 kids. Peter is 100% gay
It's about time that someone addressed this. We need our government to innovate, think out side this Covid box and restart our economy where it can, there will have to be adjustment..or we could just watch how the Germans recover before us 🙄🙄
Peter needs to make his points more succinctly, he leaves himself open to interruption as he does tend to ramble. He needs to sharpen up his delivery as he has a lot of interesting things to say.
I agree with Peter 100%.
good bloke..
What baffles me about all this is the simple fact that if it's the old and vulnerable who at risk,why not lock them down and let the rest of us get back to work
What is the government money????!!! It is the people money!
Mike, I wasn't even aware you were debating Peter? I thought he was just schooling you?
Gary Pearson ..please state what *facts* Hitchens "schooled" Mike with. After all, any "schooling" must involve facts of course. Thanks.
@@NobleVenture77 Of course he needs to and I assume he is capable of answering for himself. Why do you feel the need to answer for him?
You seem to believe with your independent thinking that Hitchens has researched the subject and believe that social distancing is unnecessary. Do you know what research he has done on the subject? You seem to.
Do tell me, what research you have done on the subject of social distancing and please state your source(s) and conclusions.
@@NobleVenture77 Please say if you agree with what has been said below.
*_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!”_*
*_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case, any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless.”_*
@@NobleVenture77 Firstly, I note that you have refused to answer the question in my earlier post where I asked if you agreed with the two statements in bold text.
Next, you say that Hitchens has not said the policy of social distancing is unnecessary. You used the word 'wrong' whereas I used the term, 'unnecessary' when I said in my previous post, the one you responded to, "You seem to believe with your independent thinking that Hitchens has researched the subject and believes that social distancing is unnecessary." Let's get that ironed out, I did not use the term, 'wrong', I used the term 'unnecessary' .. a minor point but best to clear that up now.
Anyway, Hitchens has certainly said exactly that, i.e. that it is unnecessary and so has the "expert" he bases his views on, Prof. Bhakdi. I disagree with them both on this issue as do many epidemiologists, The Lancet and other scientists and doctors around the world.
Dealing with Hitchens' comments, Mike said in the video that social distancing appears to be working. Hitchens said in response, "There are two points there." He mentions the police having greatly moderated their behaviour since the intervention of Lord Sumption recently, and I agree that some forces have indeed been too officious on at least several occasions. Hitchens asks why is it that supermarkets can remain open while garden centres can't! (A quite unbelievable and ridiculous question! I suppose I'll have to explain why I say this ... garden centres don't sell that essential commodity which keeps us all alive, i.e. food and often, ... medicines!)
Then he says, "There's certainly another fundamental question which does totally need to be examined. First of all, is this action effective? Is there any evidence whatsoever that it is effective? And the answer is, ... no." He carries on ...
"If you look at all of the countries which have experienced Covid-19 outbreaks from China (names about 14 countries) ... you will not find a pattern which suggests that shutting down the economy and restricting personal freedom actually reduces any deaths at all."
Along with what he has said here, Hitchens believes in what Bhakdi has so strongly said .... see below where I have transcribed the pertinent points he has made on this issue.
Well, having made it perfectly clear that Hitchens does indeed see that social distancing is unnecessary, I'm hoping you will now see my point and admit that he does see it as unnecessary.
You say, _"I know he has looked into the research of Prof. Dr. med. Sucharit Bhakdi which if you visit his you tube page and click the translate option you will get the gist of his concern; that human rights are severely being breached, doctors basically now have a license to do what they want, and the damaging effects on the economy will cause untold suffering on human kind. Is this really a policy that puts people first?"_
I have already and many days ago, researched what Bhakdi has said along with what The Lancet has said on social distancing. Bhakdi said in his video, *_"Does the virus generally cause more serious illness also in young people and kill patients with no concurring illness? This would make them different from other everyday corona viruses of the world. The answer is clearly: NO!"_*
Actually ... the answer is clearly: YES! That is a proven statistic ... a fact. Covid-19 has killed people with no underlying health issues as well as young people with no underlying health issues. He is wrong, and there is NO doubt of that whatsoever.
This so called "expert" who Hitchens appears to trust is clearly wrong if numerous data compiled by numerous experts is to be relied on. It has already been seen that people with no underlying health issues have died from Covid-19. Also, there are many reports of young people and with no underlying health issues dying from it. In another part of the video, Bhakdi states, *_"We urgently need to know whether the virus has already spread to the general population because should this be the case any attempt to halt its further spread would obviously be senseless."_* Senseless? Of course it has spread to the general population, hence the need for the measures introduced by almost every country ... including, social distancing and so called lock downs.
If you say you can't see the stupidity in both of these statements made by Bhakdi, I simply don't believe you.
On social distancing, here is a clip from The Lancet published on March 23rd, 2020. _"In the absence of any pharmaceutical intervention, the only strategy against COVID-19 is to reduce mixing of susceptible and infectious people through early ascertainment of cases or reduction of contact."_
@@NobleVenture77 You say, _"A third to a quarter common cold viruses are actually coronoviruses' - Dr Seth Berkeley. This has clearly been affecting people for many years so what's all the fuss about all of a sudden?"_
Yep! I can't argue with that, ... just like a common cold. How have we all missed that? I can't imagine!
Mike....I used to like hearing your point of view, but your attitude was unprofessional and unneccessary.
I fear Hitchens is right.
Mike Graham: "Only being allowed out one hour per day is not an infringement of my liberty. Also, there's no such thing as a native Briton."
Saturnine Pedantic, splitting hairs ! Actually I am a true Briton as confirmed by tracing my ancestry back. One hour a day is an infringement on my liberty. I can’t even get my shopping in or walk my dog in an hour. I also have loved ones I would like to spend time with and I would like to see my young grandchildren before they forget who I am. Before you start saying we’ll use technology, I can’t cuddle my kids or play physically with my grandkids using technology well not in any meaningful way anyway.
@@susancurtis1651 Well said.
"The government has set aside a massive amount of money..." ...... how naive of Graham.
And God Bless Hitchins for, at very least, intelligently and courageously putting forward an/the opposing view.
SevenMagpies borrowed vast amounts of money is more like it.
@@valiantval6539 .... reduced the value of our currency by about 50% over the next decade more like.
"I don't think he has got any answers". Well he talked about the trade off between safety and livelihood; the disproportionality of government action, the harm done to civil liberties; and he may have mentioned many unintended consequences like production lines being disrupted, people being depressed at home, people not getting enough vitamin D because they don't see the sun much, and all the future deaths which poverty will bring, due to the government locking down the economy so heavily. You, on the other hand just accept (together with the kitchen sink) WHATEVER the government tells you. When massive inflation soon hits the country because of unbacked new currency (created out of thin air) and we experience massive inflation, you will understand that the lockdown and bailouts only made a bad situation much worse. Government doesn't have any money -in fact, it already OWES MONEY- so for every penny it spends, it will collect more than a penny; either by taxes, borrowing or currency debasement.
Please go study some Austrian school of economics; and learn about things like the structure of production, central banking, the Austrian Business Cycle Theory, marginal utility and opportunity cost, as well as Monetary History.
You should also watch Mike Maloney's The Hidden Secrets Of Money series on UA-cam, and the financial film called "The Bubble" (made last year), to fast enlighten yourself on questions of economics and liberty.
Kind regards.
Peter one of the few voices of reason at this time
In 1968 over 80,000 people died of Hong kong flu in England. The country wasn't shut down then.
There would have been a greater justification for doing so back then. Today, with an advanced healthcare system and greater awareness, we have much better outcomes. News reports seem less keen on highlighting the fact that the vast majority of people who contract COVID-19 will recover between 14-21 days. One healthcare resource said death is rare-- which it is. While we are certainly grieved by the loss of life in Italy and Spain, we cannot allow emotion to cloud our reason during this panic.
Sorry, I like Mike Graham, but i LOVE Peter Hitchens. I have listened to him all week, and he is absolutely CORRECT! 100%. The Government has been 'Brainwashed' by Hysteria, and by the Media.We are seriously going to pay for this. God Help us!!!
Peter is right and you were very wrong.......
As average number of deaths arent actually up on the monthly basis , of course its a disproportionate reaction.
What are Hitchens qualifications for saying this? This is NOT influenza .. the policy in the U.K. is the same as almost all other countries. Just google what’s happening in Ecuador and see what happens when a health system collapses.
We are not ASKED to stay at home. We are threatened with fines. We are harassed by the police.
I was followed harassed and intimidated by police today just gor taking my boy for a walk on a nice Easter Sunday, this is like living in the Soviet union, people have become self righteous and shame and report anyone who doesn't wish to be locked down and follow theese tyrannical fake laws.
The comment about winning speaks volumes
Yes, indeed, he should run along to No.10 and collect his trophy, the wanker.