We need to thank the Houston Astros for bringing the country together. No matter what race, religion, or politics, we're in an agreement that the Astros are the most hated sports team in the country.
Astros will only be hated for a few years and then go back to hating the Yankees... I am a Dodger fan and hate the fact that we were cheated but I don't think taking the title away is going to do as much as just putting an astericks. I think that would be worse because they have a ring in their drawer that will never be able to be worn. That would be a reminder evrytime they look at at it. If you take the rings and title away, they can forget about it.
@@MrLokojorge the current era will not forgive or forget especially since they have such pompous and arrogant attitudes. What most speak of when stripping their title is in 50-75 years when we are all dead, the 2017 Astros will be considered world champs without much insight to it. If you strip them, the baseball world will never forget.
facts. the fact that rich is still taking that standpoint is insanity unless he doesn't understand how baseball works. everyone benefitted... PERIOD. stop trying to rationalize or move the goal post for certain players. they cheated. SMH
This is the worst coverup in sports. To save the great game, investigation must be reopened on the Astros players. I’m sick of the arrogance and lying on the Astros team. At least vacate the title.
At this point, if the Astros don't get their title stripped by MLB then the green light is on for bean balls, retaliation, and possible on-field violence by fans. The Astros in great measure, brought this backlash on to themselves by being defiant and arrogant after the report became public. Instead of the owner falling on the sword, and owning responsibility for the actions of his team, he set a tone deaf precedent and set up his team to be ridiculed and potentially attacked physically this season. I detest the Astros, but here's guessing they are already receiving death threats and other obscene messages from idiot fans, wait until they're in the middle of a 10 day road trip and idiots are tweeting them pictures of their wives and kids threatening their safety, that's just uncalled for, but predictable
@gothatway09obviously critical thinking is not a strong suit of yours. You're confusing reiterating the threats issued by fellow players and self styled social media tough guys with approving of or "endorsing" violence. I won't even dignify your barely intelligible, torpid assertion that I'm encouraging or wanting to see violence on or off the field. I would direct you to specific news articles released in the past couple days about whistleblower Mike Feirs and members of the Astros receiving death threats against themselves and their families since the report broke, but someone confusing my post simply stating the super heated environment created by this scandal and the subsequent botched apologies and reaction to them as some sort of endorsement of violence is functionally illitrrate and mentally ill-eqipped to execute adult level thinking processes.
@@Warden033 numerous news sources have already confirmed that Astros players have been receiving threats against their lives as well as against their families. It's unfortunately where society is, too many idiots who care way too much about things that in reality does not affect their lives.
Rich Eisen was on a roll til today. “If they cheated in 2017 but not in the playoffs, shouldn’t NY and LA pipe down.” Really???? If they didn’t cheat during the regular season, theres a chance they wouldn’t be in the playoffs
Rich---thank you so much, I have not been feeling well lately and your show and your KILLER INTERVIEWS help me fell a bit better for a little while, You rock, thank you.
This is right up there with the steroid scandal. If any of those player stats and HOF chances are tainted then the 2017 Astros should be stripped of their title and the players and managers should be banned for life.
Dude this is worse than the steroid era. A world series was legitimately stolen from the Dodgers or maybe even Yankees. The Dodgers went all the way to game 7 with them cheaters.
I'd rather of had Manfred try to penalize all the players and loose a big fight with the PA then just shrug and say he couldn't do anything without getting his butt kicked in a court fight. Do the right thing and let things fall as they will.
@@markforbus6794 No I mean more that he at least fights for the penalties because it's the right thing to do. Let the PA take MLB into an arbitration to fight on behalf the cheaters. I'd respect Manfred more then I do now. MLB should go thru the whole process and if they loose in the end then so be it. Then I'd like to see them hire an outside agent to investigate the MLB itself to see why all the complaints were ignored until it finally went public.
What I don’t understand is if the union is supposed to represent the interests of its members, the players, and a vast majority or all of the players not in Astros uniforms say these guys should be punished, shouldn’t the union be representing that vast majority interest of its members?
Taking away the trophy, the title and the rings is the perfect punishment for teams to never try something like this again. Severe consequences for cheating is the answer! Not the way this is handled.
With the evidence presented, why did the players require immunity? I think that this question is the foundation of the vitriol and anger. The lack of JUSTICE and the absence of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY is a travesty and EVERYONE knows it.
@@jorgedeleon5385 We all know this is not the whole story and they have more evidence. The reason we have not seen ANY evidence is because this is a cover up. This involves multiple teams with hundreds of players. Forget seeing the evidence, the only thing they can do now is strip the championship and pray this goes away.
Bernie Browntoes for sure man. My belief is , if astros cheated in 19 as well MLB trying to cover it up to try to stop the bleeding. With that said, I would be very surprised if they announce that they found something on the Red Sox, especially since they are seeing how the public and players are reacting to this. Imagine if they do say what they found on boston
Any player on that team who knew and did nothing is part of the problem and should not be allowed to keep the championship...whether the participated or not...that includes the pitchers.
Looking at the punishments, it was totally worth it for the Astros. MLB needs to step up and protect the integrity of the brand. Take championship and rings from them.
@@beantown4life they already got caught what are you talking about. Remember the apple watches scotty boy LOL. Cmon man. Do the research before you say that at least. LOL
So these 2 are saying its okay for players to cheat...wtf every single person involved should be suspended from 2017 until it stopped. World Series vacated, rings repo aswell. If that was happen i wonder if it would be attempted again.
Why would the Astro players agree to speak with the Commissioner about the Cheating, with the promise of immunity, if the Players Union is so strong? If they don't speak MLB can't discover the truth. If they don't speak the Astro's don't get lambasted in the court of public opinion like they are. If they don't speak the strongest union in the world is there to protect them. So, I ask. Why did they speak? What was the upside to speaking?
The Poker Pilot App they probably got to keep the title. The rings and the bonus money To them it was worth it. They have not acknowledged that they used this technology. All they say is. We apologize. But they won’t acknowledge for what
What about the fact that the cheating got them to the play offs to begin with.Maybe they would have never even made it to begin with.WHAT A DISGRACE , TAKE THE PIECE OF METAL AWAY.
As a true fan, MLB package will be skipped this season and will not be taking family to Yankee stadium to protest the shame bought upon by the weak commissioner and his lack of integrity.
We ness to stay together as a fan base. I love my Royals and baseball. I’m mad at the commissioner, the players union and MLB as a whole. The owners are staying quiet so in some way. They are complicit We should not reward the owners and MLB by showing up en masse to boo the ASStros. This only creates revenue and viewership Let’s boycott the ASStros and the Red Sox when they come to town. Let’s go to the local watering hole and stay away from the stadiums when those two teams are in town
I wonder if Brian McCann knew this was coming when he retired. Makes me sick as a Braves fan that he was involved in this, especially when he was one like Verlander who always talked about playing the game right. I notice McCann's name isn't being mentioned much, other than he supposedly asked for it to stop.
Mike McLintock he reportedly asked Beltran and others to stop it when it started, but apparently Beltran was the “alpha-male” in that clubhouse and they steamrolled his request. And that report came from YES and the Wall Street Journal, not just me, a lifelong Braves fan.
Hopefully, this scandal will force MLB into the 21st century. Hand signs are archaic. MLB can easily implement a wireless delivery system similar to what the NFL uses in QB helmets. Modern technology forces change! There were times, ten, fifteen, and twenty years ago when I thought that texting, a smartphone, or a PC were unnecessary. Now, I couldn't imagine my life without them. Technology forces change! Hand signs are so 1985.
I think as a punishment every MLB team that will play the Asterisks should use their technology at home for the next 3 years. See how the Asterisks record will never get to 100 not even 90 wins.
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We need to thank the Houston Astros for bringing the country together.
No matter what race, religion, or politics, we're in an agreement that the Astros are the most hated sports team in the country.
In football, we call them the "Cheatriots."
One of the few times most the country agrees with each other
Astros will only be hated for a few years and then go back to hating the Yankees... I am a Dodger fan and hate the fact that we were cheated but I don't think taking the title away is going to do as much as just putting an astericks. I think that would be worse because they have a ring in their drawer that will never be able to be worn. That would be a reminder evrytime they look at at it. If you take the rings and title away, they can forget about it.
@@MrLokojorge the current era will not forgive or forget especially since they have such pompous and arrogant attitudes. What most speak of when stripping their title is in 50-75 years when we are all dead, the 2017 Astros will be considered world champs without much insight to it. If you strip them, the baseball world will never forget.
Strip them of title. Give back rings. Focus investigation on 2019, because they probably cheated again.
There’s no way they didn’t stop until they got caught
That 1 dislike is for sure Jose Altuve.
Matthew Hernandez it’s his tattoo.
Re Verlander: Lie down with the dogs and you get fleas. He can console himself with his beautiful wife and family. But hes a cheater.
facts. the fact that rich is still taking that standpoint is insanity unless he doesn't understand how baseball works. everyone benefitted... PERIOD. stop trying to rationalize or move the goal post for certain players. they cheated. SMH
Justin Lielander- Cheater
Nathan Rudy never won a World Series game , EVER , cough CHOKER 🇺🇸⚓️
This is the worst coverup in sports. To save the great game, investigation must be reopened on the Astros players. I’m sick of the arrogance and lying on the Astros team. At least vacate the title.
At this point, if the Astros don't get their title stripped by MLB then the green light is on for bean balls, retaliation, and possible on-field violence by fans.
The Astros in great measure, brought this backlash on to themselves by being defiant and arrogant after the report became public.
Instead of the owner falling on the sword, and owning responsibility for the actions of his team, he set a tone deaf precedent and set up his team to be ridiculed and potentially attacked physically this season. I detest the Astros, but here's guessing they are already receiving death threats and other obscene messages from idiot fans, wait until they're in the middle of a 10 day road trip and idiots are tweeting them pictures of their wives and kids threatening their safety, that's just uncalled for, but predictable
Um, no violence from fans, have some class. Just boo them out of the fucking building start to finish. Dont be that guy.
@gothatway09obviously critical thinking is not a strong suit of yours. You're confusing reiterating the threats issued by fellow players and self styled social media tough guys with approving of or "endorsing" violence.
I won't even dignify your barely intelligible, torpid assertion that I'm encouraging or wanting to see violence on or off the field. I would direct you to specific news articles released in the past couple days about whistleblower Mike Feirs and members of the Astros receiving death threats against themselves and their families since the report broke, but someone confusing my post simply stating the super heated environment created by this scandal and the subsequent botched apologies and reaction to them as some sort of endorsement of violence is functionally illitrrate and mentally ill-eqipped to execute adult level thinking processes.
@@Warden033 numerous news sources have already confirmed that Astros players have been receiving threats against their lives as well as against their families. It's unfortunately where society is, too many idiots who care way too much about things that in reality does not affect their lives.
Rich Eisen was on a roll til today. “If they cheated in 2017 but not in the playoffs, shouldn’t NY and LA pipe down.” Really???? If they didn’t cheat during the regular season, theres a chance they wouldn’t be in the playoffs
There is a video of them banging their trash can at Minute maid park againt Kershaw in the World Series 2017.
saguirre760 -exactly. I’m surprised Rich went there.
I think Manfred is going to end up resigning over this soon. He has botched this from the beginning.
Do you really thing he's that weak of a man? i don't think so
He works for the owners. If they think he’s costing them money, hes out.
@@bcask61 I agree 100%.
Rich---thank you so much, I have not been feeling well lately and your show and your KILLER INTERVIEWS help me fell a bit better for a little while, You rock, thank you.
Karl Ravech... one of the best around the sport! Always A+ reporting/analysis.
He's pretty well reasoned and smart about this sport. Always love listening to him.
@@joeomalley2835 Agreed, I never mind seeing/listening to his analysis on Espn
This is right up there with the steroid scandal. If any of those player stats and HOF chances are tainted then the 2017 Astros should be stripped of their title and the players and managers should be banned for life.
Dude this is worse than the steroid era. A world series was legitimately stolen from the Dodgers or maybe even Yankees. The Dodgers went all the way to game 7 with them cheaters.
And they are keeping Pete Rose out of the hall of game for betting in games?
As gambling is about to be installed in every stadium in the country...
I'd rather of had Manfred try to penalize all the players and loose a big fight with the PA then just shrug and say he couldn't do anything without getting his butt kicked in a court fight. Do the right thing and let things fall as they will.
So he penalizes and when the PA complains and he repeals the penalties, he can tell everyone that he tried. Good idea.
@@markforbus6794 No I mean more that he at least fights for the penalties because it's the right thing to do. Let the PA take MLB into an arbitration to fight on behalf the cheaters. I'd respect Manfred more then I do now. MLB should go thru the whole process and if they loose in the end then so be it.
Then I'd like to see them hire an outside agent to investigate the MLB itself to see why all the complaints were ignored until it finally went public.
What I don’t understand is if the union is supposed to represent the interests of its members, the players, and a vast majority or all of the players not in Astros uniforms say these guys should be punished, shouldn’t the union be representing that vast majority interest of its members?
Karl you’ve always been a straight up dude man, I agree with your take 100%, we gotta do it, strip it !
Strip the title!!!!
It's just a hunk of metal? Then take it back.
Taking away the trophy, the title and the rings is the perfect punishment for teams to never try
something like this again. Severe consequences for cheating is the answer! Not the way this is handled.
This definitely wasn’t a good enough punishment.This was the worst baseball cheating scandal in my lifetime and it’s not even close!
An Hampton the players got NOT punishment
With the evidence presented, why did the players require immunity? I think that this question is the foundation of the vitriol and anger. The lack of JUSTICE and the absence of PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY is a travesty and EVERYONE knows it.
my first MLB same was San Fran at Houston. Astrodome was still a wonder of the world.
The astros should be banned from the playoffs for 3 seasons, 1 for every year the cheated
Well 2 since that’s the evidence they have
@@jorgedeleon5385 We all know this is not the whole story and they have more evidence. The reason we have not seen ANY evidence is because this is a cover up. This involves multiple teams with hundreds of players. Forget seeing the evidence, the only thing they can do now is strip the championship and pray this goes away.
i like that one.
Bernie Browntoes for sure man. My belief is , if astros cheated in 19 as well MLB trying to cover it up to try to stop the bleeding. With that said, I would be very surprised if they announce that they found something on the Red Sox, especially since they are seeing how the public and players are reacting to this. Imagine if they do say what they found on boston
Bernie Browntoes manfred can either try to over anything else that comes out or just let everything come out from every team 🤣
Any player on that team who knew and did nothing is part of the problem and should not be allowed to keep the championship...whether the participated or not...that includes the pitchers.
Just vacate their title already. It might stop some of the bean balls the Astros face this season.
Looking at the punishments, it was totally worth it for the Astros. MLB needs to step up and protect the integrity of the brand. Take championship and rings from them.
Why don’t these guys know what “literally” actually means? They’re journalists, no?
If the commissioner doesn’t do his job, it looks like the fans and the other players will step in and do it for him.
Sloe Bone that’s exactly what that weakling is trying to have happen
Curious what the other owners think.
Here's a can of worms. What if Mookie and Price cheated to beat the Dodgers in '18?
Red sox didn't cheat, stop reaching,
Scott D you play for them in 2018?
@@beantown4life they already got caught what are you talking about. Remember the apple watches scotty boy LOL. Cmon man. Do the research before you say that at least. LOL
Jon Girard Price was not a batter , Betts it will be chippy if he is implicated 🇺🇸⚓️
Whether that did or didn’t happen is irrelevant at this point. The Astros just got caught!
So these 2 are saying its okay for players to cheat...wtf every single person involved should be suspended from 2017 until it stopped. World Series vacated, rings repo aswell. If that was happen i wonder if it would be attempted again.
If MLB cared more about integrity than money this conversation would not be necessary.
Why would the Astro players agree to speak with the Commissioner about the Cheating, with the promise of immunity, if the Players Union is so strong? If they don't speak MLB can't discover the truth. If they don't speak the Astro's don't get lambasted in the court of public opinion like they are. If they don't speak the strongest union in the world is there to protect them. So, I ask. Why did they speak? What was the upside to speaking?
The Poker Pilot App they probably got to keep the title. The rings and the bonus money To them it was worth it. They have not acknowledged that they used this technology. All they say is. We apologize. But they won’t acknowledge for what
ESPN doesn’t deserve Karl
What about the fact that the cheating got them to the play offs to begin with.Maybe they would have never even made it to begin with.WHAT A DISGRACE , TAKE THE PIECE OF METAL AWAY.
Does Vegas have odds on who pens the first tell all book?
The title ,rings and money should be taken away
I don’t think it’s a hard solution.
It's a league run by players!
Astros? Rangers? Texas? Being a Ranger homer, I don't know which is more disappointing .
Don't send your Kids to Harvard Law School! This is a blatant cover up by the cowardly Commissioner. Great Job, Harvard.
As a true fan, MLB package will be skipped this season and will not be taking family to Yankee stadium to protest the shame bought upon by the weak commissioner and his lack of integrity.
2 dislikes? Altuve’s daughter and his wife?
Altuve was a lying coward for hiding behind his wife’s back. Ban that turkey from baseball!
Everyone cares about baseball now. I want to see this passion carried past opening day
At least through the Astros last road game, they need to be booed out of buildings, start to finish
Karl Ravech looks like he off a Perc 1000 in that thumbnail my god my nugguh
Let the other MLB teams use it against the Astros this season
Why isn't anyone talking about spring training games ? Baseball is back. Everyone knows the ASTROS cheated and branded for life.
Remember when baseball tonight was a great show pre mlb network days
Does anyone think that Verlander got his two-year, $66 million contract last year by telling the owner that he would reveal the cheating?
We ness to stay together as a fan base. I love my Royals and baseball.
I’m mad at the commissioner, the players union and MLB as a whole. The owners are staying quiet so in some way. They are complicit
We should not reward the owners and MLB by showing up en masse to boo the ASStros. This only creates revenue and viewership
Let’s boycott the ASStros and the Red Sox when they come to town. Let’s go to the local watering hole and stay away from the stadiums when those two teams are in town
I wonder if Brian McCann knew this was coming when he retired. Makes me sick as a Braves fan that he was involved in this, especially when he was one like Verlander who always talked about playing the game right. I notice McCann's name isn't being mentioned much, other than he supposedly asked for it to stop.
Mike McLintock he reportedly asked Beltran and others to stop it when it started, but apparently Beltran was the “alpha-male” in that clubhouse and they steamrolled his request. And that report came from YES and the Wall Street Journal, not just me, a lifelong Braves fan.
VACATE.
Hopefully, this scandal will force MLB into the 21st century. Hand signs are archaic. MLB can easily implement a wireless delivery system similar to what the NFL uses in QB helmets. Modern technology forces change! There were times, ten, fifteen, and twenty years ago when I thought that texting, a smartphone, or a PC were unnecessary. Now, I couldn't imagine my life without them. Technology forces change! Hand signs are so 1985.
david stubbs no. Bullshit. Don’t change the game for the cheaters. Just punish the cheaters
why is Karl Ravech still wearing a hairpiece, rug, wig or toupee?
I think as a punishment every MLB team that will play the Asterisks should use their technology at home for the next 3 years. See how the Asterisks record will never get to 100 not even 90 wins.
I got the over on plunked Astros batters
War eagle!
Go Astros lol
Haters