I have the DeWalt DW745 - similar, but with a 250mm blade. Agree with most of your comments. I also regularly use a Charnwood W850 (250mm, cast iron table and sliding table). This is quieter (induction motor) but I prefer my DeWalt- quality of cut is at least as good, and much easier to adjust and use. I seem to be forever having to adjust the W850, and knife changing is a pain. It, too, suffers from dust clogging, plus poor collection. For a 250mm saw that you can carry about and will tackle almost anything, I am very happy with the DeWalt.
Hi Mike. Just got a great deal on my DW when I bought it in 2019. Got it from FXX Black Friday sale and paid around 380. The 250mm is nearly £800 now ! Regards JP
Some prices went crazy during / after C19. I tried to buy a Rage 5 in France at the end of 2020 and Amazon wanted €700! I’ve just added to my Festool family. Stay tuned 😃
One nice thing the Evolution is that it is capable of cutting steel. I have not cut sheet steel but nails through timber when recycling pallets. So far no problems with the blade yet. I have done a bit with it but not a lot of heavy use of cutting through those hidden nails. Also, as I understand, the blade runs a los slower on the Evolution, for cutting steel and acrylic as is specified. I have not noticed too much in cutting slower with timber with a slower saw blade speed.
Maybe decide what thickness timber you will mostly cut first to decide whether you need a 3” cut. Then the size of space you have and next how portable you need it to be..Regards JP
I would says the DeWalt is the way then. Its a great little saw and extremely well built. The Rage 5 is quite big when on the stand and table extended. Regards JP
If I'd had the money I would have gone for the dewalt, however, I think the evolution is a decent saw. You can also get a grooving blade specifically for it from Saxton blades, which proved to be very handy for putting a drip groove on some window sills I made for home.
Hi Rob. Does this "grooving blade" have a much wider kerf than normal or is it merely a blade with flat ground teeth? I've asked The Google but it doesn't know. If you have a link, that would be helpful! Are you in the UK?
I have the Dewalt. I considered the Evolution as I have an Evolution Mitre saw but decided on the Dewalt based on build quality and reputation. I’ve been very happy with the Dewalt, it’s very well made and cuts beautifully. I’m currently only using the bottom dust extractor and the riving knife without crown guard and I do find it spits sawdust out of the top. I’ll try the crown guard and see what improvement that makes. My only criticism of the Dewalt is that it’s very loud, especially in my small workshop. I feel I have to wear ear defenders when using it, which is no5 something I find necessary for any other tools
@@Smallbarnworkshop I’ve got the Triton TPT125 planer thicknesser and used it this weekend for the first time. I agree it’s loud but I didn’t think it as bad as the Dewalt. Maybe because I have my table saw temporarily on my MFT top so it’s acting like a drum. Trying online to find the decibels I found the Dewalt table saw reported as 100 and 108dB and the Triton planer as 91 and 104dB. Basically both loud but the Dewalt likely to be more so. I’m going to try using it on a rubber base see if that helps
Just gone for the Rage 5 at this point as my first venture into the table saw market - looking forward to getting to grips with it (Hopefully not literally!) Thanks for this video, it confirms that I haven't made a poor decision :)
Hi pal , I'm new to a circular saw , could you give me what dimensions I should be looking for on the saxton site for a new wood blade and your recommendations for blades please , Cheers pal
Hi. It depends which saw. The Evolution takes a 250mm blade with a 25mm bore. the DeWalt a 210mm blade with a 30mm bore. Saxton sell a pair of blades specifically aimed at the Evolution, that’s what I bought. Regards JP
Great video, very useful indeed. I've been weighing up these two tables for a while, I like the rack n pinion fence control and build quality of the Dewalt, but the Evolution has scope for larger sheets and more affordable. If you had to choose one over the other, which would you go for?
Glad it was helpful! It’s difficult to choose , the DW is better built and more refined, as you say the other one is bigger. The DW just edges it I guess but you are paying more…regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop I wached an other review on the EvoRave5 table, and noted the fence / rail system was prone to skew and shift white a bit. Have you had a similar experience? Thanks again.
@@Eye_can_see_you it’s certainly not as robust as the Dewalt although I’ve not as and many problems as some . The rip attachment on the dewalt is brilliantly designed
@Smallbarnworkshop take a look at the Bosch PBD 40 bench drill. I've just got one to replace a traditional small pillar drill. It's fantastic, very accurate and a real bargain!
I agree, I have just bought one as well and its a superb and a very high quality drill, there is a little run out I have found testing with a dial gauge but nothing compared to my old 3 geared pillar drill, you can also change the top bearing for a lubricated bronze one if you find it an issue after the guarantee expires... Took about 20 holes to get used to the wheel but now I much prefer it to the old 3 prong handle, its also much easier to just move the entire mechanism up and down the pillar to get your drill height and wheel movement tuned perfectly . Pretty much everything about it is perfect, the only thing I have done is mount it on to 3 pieces of 3 x 2 and have a little tray underneath to collect all the crap and the bits that inevitably fall through. I'm 6'4" so find it a little low and doing that has sorted it on my workbench. The light is great the electronic depth gauge is brilliant and very accurate. Now looking for a decent vice for it to match its quality @@tomdysonwoodworking
Hi thanks for your video. I'm looking to make a bookcase at home so need to rip ply sheets and trims accurately. Not so bothered about everything else. Is the evolution up to the job? Thank you
I agree with JP- accurate and consistent. Not sub-millimetre like a well set up track-saw, but fine for most woodwork. I find mine at least as accurate as some full size shop saws.
both interest me. The Evolution for his price (a little more than 300€ in Leroy Merlin stores), his 10" blade and also its ability to cut metal (not smt I do often but...) and the Dewalt for its trusty fence and overall quality, and also its smaller footprint. I've just discover a new Erbauer table saw, 10" blade, 1800w and a fence on pinion like the DW... for 300€ - that's not a brand I trust but can't find any review for the moment... Don't know where you are now but it could be possible to see it in Castorama or Brico-depot stores (same group as Screwfix but I didn't see it on their site)
@@Smallbarnworkshop Erbauer is a brand of Kingfisher's group and it's only found in Castorama & Bricodepot - not sure who build for them, maybe Positec (chinese brand who owns and builds Worx tools)
Yes. Sorry, was just stating the shops I prefer to buy from. Erbauer is also the main supply of Screwfix in the UK. I might look to see if they have the saw out of interest. I use screwfix.fr - great at deliver but a smaller range of tools compared to UK. Regards JP
I see I have 2 Tridome not very far... but seeing their website they don't deserve me to go there - same offer as many other stores. Actually I see that Tridome has just been sold to the same group who owns Bricorama and Bricomarché.
I've just bought an Evolution Rage 5 - S and I'm still getting to know it. However, my biggest disappointment is that the mitre slots are non-standard size. It makes it almost impossible to get a mitre gauge to replace the cheap and wobbly offering from Evolution. I've watched quite a few reviews of this saw on UA-cam and none of them mention the non-standard mitre slots.
Hi. It only became an issue for me until I got a proper cross cut jig. Until then I hadn’t really notice as I tend not to do a lot of cross cutting at the table. The sliding table is great though and I would loo at making a cross cut jig that fits that. Take a look at @3dprint4woodworking59 he 3D prints saw parts, maybe he has a solution. Regards JP
I have the Rage 5s and sorry to say but if I could turn back time I would not have gotten it. It has great features in theory but unfortunatly it fails the deliver where it counts. The fence is hopeless and I cannot get a good straight cut out of it and have spent alot of time trying to fix it. Save your money and get something else.
I have the DeWalt DW745 - similar, but with a 250mm blade. Agree with most of your comments. I also regularly use a Charnwood W850 (250mm, cast iron table and sliding table). This is quieter (induction motor) but I prefer my DeWalt- quality of cut is at least as good, and much easier to adjust and use. I seem to be forever having to adjust the W850, and knife changing is a pain. It, too, suffers from dust clogging, plus poor collection. For a 250mm saw that you can carry about and will tackle almost anything, I am very happy with the DeWalt.
Hi Mike. Just got a great deal on my DW when I bought it in 2019. Got it from FXX Black Friday sale and paid around 380. The 250mm is nearly £800 now ! Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop Says the man with a Festool tracksaw... 🙃. Think I paid around £450- a while back.
Some prices went crazy during / after C19. I tried to buy a Rage 5 in France at the end of 2020 and Amazon wanted €700! I’ve just added to my Festool family. Stay tuned 😃
One nice thing the Evolution is that it is capable of cutting steel. I have not cut sheet steel but nails through timber when recycling pallets. So far no problems with the blade yet. I have done a bit with it but not a lot of heavy use of cutting through those hidden nails. Also, as I understand, the blade runs a los slower on the Evolution, for cutting steel and acrylic as is specified. I have not noticed too much in cutting slower with timber with a slower saw blade speed.
Great point! The running is noise is lower because of the lower speed. I have also found those pesky nail and screw also with the blade! Regards JP
I am trying to make this very choice at the moment. Thanks for the video, but still not sure which way to go.
Maybe decide what thickness timber you will mostly cut first to decide whether you need a 3” cut. Then the size of space you have and next how portable you need it to be..Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop Thanks! I'm leaning towards the DeWalt as my space is very small and, at the moment, it is small stock I will be cutting.
I would says the DeWalt is the way then. Its a great little saw and extremely well built. The Rage 5 is quite big when on the stand and table extended. Regards JP
If I'd had the money I would have gone for the dewalt, however, I think the evolution is a decent saw. You can also get a grooving blade specifically for it from Saxton blades, which proved to be very handy for putting a drip groove on some window sills I made for home.
hi Rob. useful info regarding the grooving blade, I will lookout for one. like you I use it for drip moulding / cills. Regards JP
Hi Rob. Does this "grooving blade" have a much wider kerf than normal or is it merely a blade with flat ground teeth? I've asked The Google but it doesn't know. If you have a link, that would be helpful! Are you in the UK?
At 6mm its double the width.
I have the Dewalt. I considered the Evolution as I have an Evolution Mitre saw but decided on the Dewalt based on build quality and reputation.
I’ve been very happy with the Dewalt, it’s very well made and cuts beautifully. I’m currently only using the bottom dust extractor and the riving knife without crown guard and I do find it spits sawdust out of the top. I’ll try the crown guard and see what improvement that makes. My only criticism of the Dewalt is that it’s very loud, especially in my small workshop. I feel I have to wear ear defenders when using it, which is no5 something I find necessary for any other tools
Hi. Both good saws. The dewalt does edge it but it is more expensive. If you think the DW is load you should hear me Triton planner 😱 Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop I’ve got the Triton TPT125 planer thicknesser and used it this weekend for the first time. I agree it’s loud but I didn’t think it as bad as the Dewalt. Maybe because I have my table saw temporarily on my MFT top so it’s acting like a drum.
Trying online to find the decibels I found the Dewalt table saw reported as 100 and 108dB and the Triton planer as 91 and 104dB. Basically both loud but the Dewalt likely to be more so. I’m going to try using it on a rubber base see if that helps
Interesting to see the difference I’m going to measure mine
Just gone for the Rage 5 at this point as my first venture into the table saw market - looking forward to getting to grips with it (Hopefully not literally!)
Thanks for this video, it confirms that I haven't made a poor decision :)
Hi. You’ve definitely not made a poor decision 👍 Regards JP
Hi pal , I'm new to a circular saw , could you give me what dimensions I should be looking for on the saxton site for a new wood blade and your recommendations for blades please ,
Cheers pal
Hi. It depends which saw. The Evolution takes a 250mm blade with a 25mm bore. the DeWalt a 210mm blade with a 30mm bore. Saxton sell a pair of blades specifically aimed at the Evolution, that’s what I bought. Regards JP
see here ua-cam.com/video/Twu0Eys-V7k/v-deo.html
@@Smallbarnworkshop
Hi sorry my saw is the evolution rage 5s, same as yours I think ??
@@gatti493 Hi. Yes, same as mine. Regards JP
Great video, very useful indeed. I've been weighing up these two tables for a while, I like the rack n pinion fence control and build quality of the Dewalt, but the Evolution has scope for larger sheets and more affordable. If you had to choose one over the other, which would you go for?
Glad it was helpful! It’s difficult to choose , the DW is better built and more refined, as you say the other one is bigger. The DW just edges it I guess but you are paying more…regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop I wached an other review on the EvoRave5 table, and noted the fence / rail system was prone to skew and shift white a bit. Have you had a similar experience? Thanks again.
@@Eye_can_see_you it’s certainly not as robust as the Dewalt although I’ve not as and many problems as some . The rip attachment on the dewalt is brilliantly designed
Really appreciate this video! I have used to help me make my decision and I'm going for the dewalt!
Thanks for the feedback. You won’t be disappointed with the saw. Regards JP
@Smallbarnworkshop take a look at the Bosch PBD 40 bench drill. I've just got one to replace a traditional small pillar drill. It's fantastic, very accurate and a real bargain!
I agree, I have just bought one as well and its a superb and a very high quality drill, there is a little run out I have found testing with a dial gauge but nothing compared to my old 3 geared pillar drill, you can also change the top bearing for a lubricated bronze one if you find it an issue after the guarantee expires... Took about 20 holes to get used to the wheel but now I much prefer it to the old 3 prong handle, its also much easier to just move the entire mechanism up and down the pillar to get your drill height and wheel movement tuned perfectly . Pretty much everything about it is perfect, the only thing I have done is mount it on to 3 pieces of 3 x 2 and have a little tray underneath to collect all the crap and the bits that inevitably fall through. I'm 6'4" so find it a little low and doing that has sorted it on my workbench. The light is great the electronic depth gauge is brilliant and very accurate. Now looking for a decent vice for it to match its quality @@tomdysonwoodworking
Hi thanks for your video.
I'm looking to make a bookcase at home so need to rip ply sheets and trims accurately.
Not so bothered about everything else.
Is the evolution up to the job?
Thank you
Hi. The Rage 5 is very up to that. I renovated my house using it. Regards JP
The push stick does have a space on the side of the Rage 5. It’s near the top and you have to put it in backwards 🤷♂️
Thank you! Problem solved. Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop annoys me every time I have to take it out! 😂
@@Smallbarnworkshop I believe there’s also a space to hold the fence, but my printer was 2nd hand and has the soft start module fitted there
@@fliplmb 🤣🤣
@@fliplmb I can never seem to get it to fit so it always ends up sat on the bench 🤷🏼♂️
Whats your opinion on dewalts accuracy?
Is the fence stable and ready?
Hi. It’s very good. Once you calibrate the measurement on the front it is really accurate. Regards JP
I agree with JP- accurate and consistent. Not sub-millimetre like a well set up track-saw, but fine for most woodwork. I find mine at least as accurate as some full size shop saws.
It’s probably about as accurate as your eyes are reading to the mm. so with my eyes 👀 about 6mm either way 😂
both interest me. The Evolution for his price (a little more than 300€ in Leroy Merlin stores), his 10" blade and also its ability to cut metal (not smt I do often but...) and the Dewalt for its trusty fence and overall quality, and also its smaller footprint.
I've just discover a new Erbauer table saw, 10" blade, 1800w and a fence on pinion like the DW... for 300€ - that's not a brand I trust but can't find any review for the moment... Don't know where you are now but it could be possible to see it in Castorama or Brico-depot stores (same group as Screwfix but I didn't see it on their site)
Hi. Not sure I have ever bought anything in Castorama , although there is one in town. I use Brico a bit, but my favorite is Tridome. Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop Erbauer is a brand of Kingfisher's group and it's only found in Castorama & Bricodepot - not sure who build for them, maybe Positec (chinese brand who owns and builds Worx tools)
Yes. Sorry, was just stating the shops I prefer to buy from. Erbauer is also the main supply of Screwfix in the UK. I might look to see if they have the saw out of interest. I use screwfix.fr - great at deliver but a smaller range of tools compared to UK. Regards JP
I see I have 2 Tridome not very far... but seeing their website they don't deserve me to go there - same offer as many other stores. Actually I see that Tridome has just been sold to the same group who owns Bricorama and Bricomarché.
@@SebR-FR have they! That’s interesting. I like the drive though for larger items. Much better than buying in store.
thanks for the review.
No problem! Regards JP
I've just bought an Evolution Rage 5 - S and I'm still getting to know it. However, my biggest disappointment is that the mitre slots are non-standard size. It makes it almost impossible to get a mitre gauge to replace the cheap and wobbly offering from Evolution. I've watched quite a few reviews of this saw on UA-cam and none of them mention the non-standard mitre slots.
Hi. It only became an issue for me until I got a proper cross cut jig. Until then I hadn’t really notice as I tend not to do a lot of cross cutting at the table. The sliding table is great though and I would loo at making a cross cut jig that fits that. Take a look at @3dprint4woodworking59 he 3D prints saw parts, maybe he has a solution. Regards JP
I have the Rage 5s and sorry to say but if I could turn back time I would not have gotten it. It has great features in theory but unfortunatly it fails the deliver where it counts. The fence is hopeless and I cannot get a good straight cut out of it and have spent alot of time trying to fix it. Save your money and get something else.
I’ve had almost t opposite experience after had it for 2 years. Regards JP
Do they need a transformer
I never see Metabo v Rage 5. A far better built machine than the Rage 5. I believe.
Hi. I've never used a Metabo, so I am not sure. I do hear good things though. Regards JP
Great video !! thanks
Glad you liked it Michael. Regards JP
DW7491 is out of stock everywhere.
Thanks a shame and so annoying if you've decided to buy! Regards JP