decompression can be solved in two very simple ways imo. first, make uptiers and downtiers only go .7 rather than one whole br, the time it takes to get into battle would not increase too much this way. second, gaijin could make a .5 br (which is weird i know) so you would have X.0 X.3 X.5 and X.7 which kinda goes back to the first option for uptiers as more vehicles would be spread between these.
They "solved" BR decompression once and for all by adding 12.0 and pushing some tier 7 and all tier 8 to it, fiddled around with a few aircraft BRs, and called it a day. Hooray! We no longer have to worry about Battle Ratings ever again!
my mate and I tried to fight this thing against the F-4E and it could out energy my in the F-4 while on low fuel, Oh he also got an all aspect lock once at 8KM, we couldn't re-create that one but still, it has WAYYYYYYYYYY to much thrust. another mate said he was flying the Mirage III E and the Su-25's were out climbing him. I also looked into the IRL stats and it seems (in my 10 seconds of searching) that the climb rate is heavily exaggerated by Gaijin (20 m/s higher than it should be), probably to boost sales.
@@Stupidlyrice couldn't beat the F-5E (thank god), but the F-4, we were surprised with that, and I have kicked the teeth out of MLD's with the F-4 in 1V1's, and this one nope. It has an unrealistic thrust to weight ratio. And we did it more than once
0:59 tip: for every 1000m in altitude, the r-60m can (usually) reach 500m further to a target. don't recommend if the opponent has flares but you can catch some players off guard that way.
@@_Joob btw to counter r-60mk on Sabre you should bring rockets. R-60mk baits like from one rocket launch and already tracking rocket not plane. Yea, r-60mk should only baits for fliers spam, not like from single rocket launch. From internet it says that r-60mk should have better noise immunity then r-60m, but nope, it can be countered from single rocket launch
Gaijin doesn't want balanced matchmaking... ever. The instant they do that is the same instant the incentive for people to buy over performing premiums goes away.
U cant even kill thig think whit the .50cal sabre. Why its facing it ? Plus it has some what same top speed,same acceleration, and better climb rate then it... very balanced
Gosh, I would not be the pilot sitting in the cockpit with these G portions 😂 ... Looks like Czech airforce to me, but we had a tiger camouflages on our planes. Thanks for the video ...
@@fishbones8698 I decided to spade my Japanese f104 after this patch. I did it in one game of sim lol. The enemy team was 3 su 25 just brain dead flying at my airfields dumping bombs trying to destroy them. Anyway once I figured out their flight paths I was finding and killing them every other attempt they made at my airfield. So after 3hr I accumulated ~40 kills and 4 deaths. 150,000 modification research.
@@fishbones8698 I wish you got more research for using the smart munitions. It’s fun flying the a10 in sim and using the screen to lock targets but it’s so much more efficient to just take 6 2k pound bombs instead. If you drop 3 on a base it kills it. So you can take out 2 bases and maybe finish off another if you bring 2 500lb bombs before you have to rtb
Oh man! I really feel your rant about 9.3-10.0 BR state right now. I've bought mig-21s and was terrified about what happens there right now. Extremely unsatisfying.
The Su-25 is simply a better plane than the A-10 and its at 9.7 instead of 10.0. I know the 9L is a better missle with longer range but the r60 is equally cracked at this teir and combined with its flight model being a literal tank and its speed being suprisingly quick it can just outdo the A-10 in most categories. gotta love that OG russian bias
I’ve noticed that, despite how CHONKY the SU-25 is and it’s ability to just… semi-consistently eat rounds/missiles and not give half a f^ck, its flight model is very prone to spinning out from damage, paired with it’s surprisingly snappy roll rate for a cinderblock.
Better than br decompresion will be to change the matchmaking from +/- 1.0 to +/- 0.5 games would feel a lot more fair and gaijing wouldnt have to change the br of almost every plane
Been fighting these things all night in the sps-k. The R-60ms should at the very least be nerfed to r-60s. What I do is use my superior speed and climb to out position them. That said, the su-25 has a lot of flarss an is crazy tanky
Just got mine on sale. Still learning how to use it. So far if I take a little bit of everything I can find success. I measure success on my score if I can get a thousand points I am Gucci
Try zero throttle with landing flaps extending from combat at about 500-550 KPH. This plane turns ALOT faster than the A-10 if you do it right, ive won dogfights with my 5 cannons vs F-5Cs, Harriers, and Mirages/Milans. Excellent Multi-role fighter if you can live with being non afterburning and subsonic.
Try a test flight in arcade. It can literally fly backwards for a second or two. Yeah yeah, IK, arcade. But I've never seen a more made up flight model.
All rank 6 and 7 jets is super unrealistic. Everything has ace combat flight models at that BR range. Fly props or first gen jets if you want to experience flight models from a time when gaijin actually cared a little bit about realism.
I think the Su-25 spam is worse, cuz unlike the a-10, which is rather easy to stay away from, given it's very low top speed for a jet, the su-25 can actually pick up some respectable speed for it's br, allowing it to run down and missile the flare-less planes that try to keep their distance
Played a good 15-20 matches with the su25 trying to spaid it today. The stock grind mixed with the whole team of su25 vs F5s and harriers made me rage and use GE lol.
@@molstad182 For the last few weeks there's been a hilariously high chance that my sidewinders will stop tracking the target and veer off in any direction that they feel like lmao. Idk if we're even playing the same game at this point but at least flying the A-10 I have no consistent way to deal with birds anymore
@@EdibleRockingChair ir missiles dont just...go the other way, are they by chance...tracking a bigger heat signature as thats how ir missiles work maybe
@@molstad182 Man when you're using the same missiles for 100 matches straight, and after one update they start acting completely differently, it means they probably changed something 😂
@@EdibleRockingChair idk man sounds to me like youre just looking for another reason to hate on gaijin, i aint saying they are the best company(they most definitely arent) but they wouldnt just nerf something that big and not say anything
Don't know if its flight model is bugged or not but I hit 1,000 kmh in a straight line and it didn't break apart. Wings were hardly shaking too. Haven't ripped it yet.
1:55 it is possible, pretty easy once you practice it enough, was able to dodge r60's with f4c before not sure now with missile buff, more than likely could still do it in mig21. I will explain r60 back shots. Before its even fired you want to turn slightly to keep your energy but at the same time make missile work even at the start, then pull hard into either left or right, once you see the missile is leading your path dive down while also going slightly in the other direction.
Day 12 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0 Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62 Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
while yes, R-60s are good, it CANNOT go above 9.7 because everything above will just devour it in a swoop. (more advanced jets.) it's not about it being good at its tier, its about it being constantly downtiered because everyone is in rank 5 trying to grind it
Man, im currently on the german grind for the mig 23 mla and i just recently purchased the lim5p and im shootin down every plane at my br? its so easy XD but i do have the entire american tech tree for planes done so i guess just experience?
See mindsets like this is what’s ruining the plane,people use it fir just air to air then it gets up br’d a lot and the people like me who play it as a ground attacker get fucked over
I have been versing this thing all the time since this update came out and I am still trying to figure out how to beat it in my sabre with bad missiles. Japan suffers
You should fly out the mig 23bn I’ve been having fun flying it and killing su25s it can put speed almost everything and at low speeds can out maneuver most aswell
I bought it today, played a bit before work, and yeah I landed on my side at speed, ground to a halt and capped the runway, thing wouldn't die lol I had to bail out
such BS. planes like the hunter got thrown so ridiculously high on their BR just because they had a missile even though the plane itself cant handle that shit, no flares and no decent flight performance. but non brit planes with flares and great missiles dont get the same treatment. a10 and su25 get thrown suuuuper low BR because their "flight performance" despite having amazing missiles AND flares. just BS
Lmao bruh the Intro, Having the frogger literally makes me feel like your intro. 😂 Honestly I love how many people cry about the SU25k being over powered, Well you know what I have to say? Gain some skills. 😂, But fr tho.. it's GAYJIN what do you expect. Also the American spam was way worse then the su-25 spam, And why DOES EVERYONE SAY R60M's bro it's r60 MKS NOT M'S JESUS CHRIST. Edit: wait does the su-25 get r69 M's? I got the su25K and I get Mks, I only bought it due to having Tunguska and BVM 😂
decompression can be solved in two very simple ways imo. first, make uptiers and downtiers only go .7 rather than one whole br, the time it takes to get into battle would not increase too much this way. second, gaijin could make a .5 br (which is weird i know) so you would have X.0 X.3 X.5 and X.7 which kinda goes back to the first option for uptiers as more vehicles would be spread between these.
BuT QueUe TimEs!1!
They "solved" BR decompression once and for all by adding 12.0 and pushing some tier 7 and all tier 8 to it, fiddled around with a few aircraft BRs, and called it a day. Hooray! We no longer have to worry about Battle Ratings ever again!
@@SPFLDAnglerwe have 12.7 now
my mate and I tried to fight this thing against the F-4E and it could out energy my in the F-4 while on low fuel, Oh he also got an all aspect lock once at 8KM, we couldn't re-create that one but still, it has WAYYYYYYYYYY to much thrust. another mate said he was flying the Mirage III E and the Su-25's were out climbing him. I also looked into the IRL stats and it seems (in my 10 seconds of searching) that the climb rate is heavily exaggerated by Gaijin (20 m/s higher than it should be), probably to boost sales.
Genuine skill issue if you lose to a su25 in a min fuel f4e
Skill issue tbh mate sorry
nearly had a stroke reading this
@@Stupidlyrice couldn't beat the F-5E (thank god), but the F-4, we were surprised with that, and I have kicked the teeth out of MLD's with the F-4 in 1V1's, and this one nope.
It has an unrealistic thrust to weight ratio. And we did it more than once
well these are the non AB mig29 engines.
0:59 tip: for every 1000m in altitude, the r-60m can (usually) reach 500m further to a target. don't recommend if the opponent has flares but you can catch some players off guard that way.
2:35 bro just casually hits the sickest clip in warthunder history
3:47 Holly fuck, that Mirage got outplayed SO hard!!!!11, insane gameplay
Lolol I got extremely lucky. It was kinda funny tho
New stalinium on Russian frog.
@@_Joob btw to counter r-60mk on Sabre you should bring rockets. R-60mk baits like from one rocket launch and already tracking rocket not plane. Yea, r-60mk should only baits for fliers spam, not like from single rocket launch. From internet it says that r-60mk should have better noise immunity then r-60m, but nope, it can be countered from single rocket launch
That kill at 2:43 🤣
"There's a beast deep inside you" (c)
@@БабайАлибабаевayo
Gaijin doesn't want balanced matchmaking... ever. The instant they do that is the same instant the incentive for people to buy over performing premiums goes away.
U cant even kill thig think whit the .50cal sabre. Why its facing it ? Plus it has some what same top speed,same acceleration, and better climb rate then it... very balanced
Playing the f3h and there is nothing I can do against these missiles. I'm playing a fighter that can not fight a strike aircraft at its own BR.
Gosh, I would not be the pilot sitting in the cockpit with these G portions 😂 ... Looks like Czech airforce to me, but we had a tiger camouflages on our planes. Thanks for the video ...
I love getting my skull caved in by missiles 10 years more advanced than my entire fucking plane
20 in some cases lol
@@ICECAPPEDSKY the F-104 vs Aim-9L experience
@@fishbones8698 I decided to spade my Japanese f104 after this patch. I did it in one game of sim lol. The enemy team was 3 su 25 just brain dead flying at my airfields dumping bombs trying to destroy them. Anyway once I figured out their flight paths I was finding and killing them every other attempt they made at my airfield. So after 3hr I accumulated ~40 kills and 4 deaths. 150,000 modification research.
@@germansherman9395 God damn nice. I just like to take mine to 9.3 AAB and harass A-10s
@@fishbones8698 I wish you got more research for using the smart munitions. It’s fun flying the a10 in sim and using the screen to lock targets but it’s so much more efficient to just take 6 2k pound bombs instead. If you drop 3 on a base it kills it. So you can take out 2 bases and maybe finish off another if you bring 2 500lb bombs before you have to rtb
the planes flight model is so broken you can literally hit them a few times then they instantly start flat spinning
F4C cries in a corner harder.
That missile launch sound is so friggin weird...
as a sabre enjoyer ima kms
You want rope, or should we bring you out back
Oh man! I really feel your rant about 9.3-10.0 BR state right now. I've bought mig-21s and was terrified about what happens there right now. Extremely unsatisfying.
Let’s go baby jetnoob upload
The 9.7 wall needs to come back
The Su-25 is simply a better plane than the A-10 and its at 9.7 instead of 10.0. I know the 9L is a better missle with longer range but the r60 is equally cracked at this teir and combined with its flight model being a literal tank and its speed being suprisingly quick it can just outdo the A-10 in most categories. gotta love that OG russian bias
I’ve noticed that, despite how CHONKY the SU-25 is and it’s ability to just… semi-consistently eat rounds/missiles and not give half a f^ck, its flight model is very prone to spinning out from damage, paired with it’s surprisingly snappy roll rate for a cinderblock.
the s250 rockets are insane with the ballistic computer is insane for CAS, it look like ace combat because of the contrails
Better than br decompresion will be to change the matchmaking from +/- 1.0 to +/- 0.5 games would feel a lot more fair and gaijing wouldnt have to change the br of almost every plane
oh baby i heard mig-27 straight to the comments to say ima be watching that :}
Bass drop after 6:46 goes hard.
Been fighting these things all night in the sps-k. The R-60ms should at the very least be nerfed to r-60s.
What I do is use my superior speed and climb to out position them. That said, the su-25 has a lot of flarss an is crazy tanky
Time for pain
Tbf it requires a lot of skill to point your nose into the direction of an enemy and press a button
Now I am getting constantly uptiered
Just got mine on sale. Still learning how to use it. So far if I take a little bit of everything I can find success. I measure success on my score if I can get a thousand points I am Gucci
Try zero throttle with landing flaps extending from combat at about 500-550 KPH. This plane turns ALOT faster than the A-10 if you do it right, ive won dogfights with my 5 cannons vs F-5Cs, Harriers, and Mirages/Milans. Excellent Multi-role fighter if you can live with being non afterburning and subsonic.
I bet you can't wait for something like the su-34 to be added
Played bunch of games with TT variant and had 0 downtiers. So MiG-15 are not suffering imo. Those brs are now spammed with Il28.
try to fly mig-15bis or any 9.0 jets and you will face su-25
@@slumzur while grinding Su-25 I took MiG-15 exclusively almost. Haven't seen any Su-25.
Also also there is never USSR Vs USSR preset
@@MrDoctorDen mig-15bis is not only in USSR teck tree
Try a test flight in arcade. It can literally fly backwards for a second or two. Yeah yeah, IK, arcade. But I've never seen a more made up flight model.
All rank 6 and 7 jets is super unrealistic. Everything has ace combat flight models at that BR range. Fly props or first gen jets if you want to experience flight models from a time when gaijin actually cared a little bit about realism.
I think the Su-25 spam is worse, cuz unlike the a-10, which is rather easy to stay away from, given it's very low top speed for a jet, the su-25 can actually pick up some respectable speed for it's br, allowing it to run down and missile the flare-less planes that try to keep their distance
Played a good 15-20 matches with the su25 trying to spaid it today. The stock grind mixed with the whole team of su25 vs F5s and harriers made me rage and use GE lol.
I get the feeling they nerfed the Aim-9's to get more people to hype the frogfoot
They didn’t nerf aim 9s, all missiles in the game got buffed, every one.
@@molstad182 For the last few weeks there's been a hilariously high chance that my sidewinders will stop tracking the target and veer off in any direction that they feel like lmao. Idk if we're even playing the same game at this point but at least flying the A-10 I have no consistent way to deal with birds anymore
@@EdibleRockingChair ir missiles dont just...go the other way, are they by chance...tracking a bigger heat signature as thats how ir missiles work maybe
@@molstad182 Man when you're using the same missiles for 100 matches straight, and after one update they start acting completely differently, it means they probably changed something 😂
@@EdibleRockingChair idk man sounds to me like youre just looking for another reason to hate on gaijin, i aint saying they are the best company(they most definitely arent) but they wouldnt just nerf something that big and not say anything
I hit an su-25 2 times with an ozelot stinger and it made it back to base and repaired with only wing flap damage.
Don't know if its flight model is bugged or not but I hit 1,000 kmh in a straight line and it didn't break apart. Wings were hardly shaking too. Haven't ripped it yet.
1:55 it is possible, pretty easy once you practice it enough, was able to dodge r60's with f4c before not sure now with missile buff, more than likely could still do it in mig21. I will explain r60 back shots. Before its even fired you want to turn slightly to keep your energy but at the same time make missile work even at the start, then pull hard into either left or right, once you see the missile is leading your path dive down while also going slightly in the other direction.
Day 12 of asking to play the yak4 at 2.0
Start by a dive directly at q base that has another base clise to it ( 2 bases beside each other) 4 bombs for each
Go straight to your base killing some ai on the way with your 7.62
Some planes will come on your back going in a straigh line with minimal evading is recommended and try to hit their engines with ur turret since they have weak engines a damaged one will lead them to crash i return to the airfield with 2 bases with 4 to 5 ai kills and 1 or 2 planes after taking off i go for bases if left but if not i will focus on ground targets cuz aa is the bain of this plane so bombing airfields is not recommended
Bonus:do not forget to have smoke always on to piss the enemies 🤣
while yes, R-60s are good, it CANNOT go above 9.7 because everything above will just devour it in a swoop. (more advanced jets.) it's not about it being good at its tier, its about it being constantly downtiered because everyone is in rank 5 trying to grind it
Man, im currently on the german grind for the mig 23 mla and i just recently purchased the lim5p and im shootin down every plane at my br? its so easy XD but i do have the entire american tech tree for planes done so i guess just experience?
I agree that the all aspect missiles are to low of a br but even if i didn't get them i still really enjoyed flying it
Pepe plen 🐸
Your awesome jet noob
:D
Hey bro, how do you get a different tone sound for the IR missiles please they sound so good and I’d love to use them
See mindsets like this is what’s ruining the plane,people use it fir just air to air then it gets up br’d a lot and the people like me who play it as a ground attacker get fucked over
Hey bro, do you have any plans on making a video about the yak 38?
This thing makes me wanna take me and my mig-19 quit WT xD
dude use your flaps, it can work at like 800kph below
I have been versing this thing all the time since this update came out and I am still trying to figure out how to beat it in my sabre with bad missiles. Japan suffers
I fucking love going up against this thing in my Hunter Fga9, it really is fun and fair
I hate the roll rate of the frog, it just doesnt feel right combined with the skewed sensitivity
You should fly out the mig 23bn I’ve been having fun flying it and killing su25s it can put speed almost everything and at low speeds can out maneuver most aswell
Yak-38M should get it's R60Ms finally then. Haven't played in awhile cause the game has gone to shit but that poor thing needs em.
R-60M shouldn't be below 10.3
It does not face anything below 9.3 mostly. Very rarely u play below your br
When UA-camrs cry
F R 🐸 G
frog also were polish lim 5?
why would geyjub bother with decompressing when theres plenty of ... who buy their premium shit anyway
whyd you turn on the username hide thing were you getting stream sniped?
Ye. Steam snipers, and people were bringing attention to my presence in games like 50% of the time, which led to people targeting me.
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Cool video and I share ur opinion but please turn off ur discord notifications :/ it was annoying.
Lol this thing is designed with noobs in mind...
Does premium has 18 minutes of fuel?
So frog is good to buy?
I bought it today, played a bit before work, and yeah I landed on my side at speed, ground to a halt and capped the runway, thing wouldn't die lol I had to bail out
I am really loving this plane. The Mk's arent amazing to me but the guns on this is amazing.
R-60 or R-60M is suck af seriusly!!
such BS. planes like the hunter got thrown so ridiculously high on their BR just because they had a missile even though the plane itself cant handle that shit, no flares and no decent flight performance. but non brit planes with flares and great missiles dont get the same treatment. a10 and su25 get thrown suuuuper low BR because their "flight performance" despite having amazing missiles AND flares. just BS
Lmao bruh the Intro, Having the frogger literally makes me feel like your intro. 😂 Honestly I love how many people cry about the SU25k being over powered, Well you know what I have to say? Gain some skills. 😂, But fr tho.. it's GAYJIN what do you expect. Also the American spam was way worse then the su-25 spam, And why DOES EVERYONE SAY R60M's bro it's r60 MKS NOT M'S JESUS CHRIST.
Edit: wait does the su-25 get r69 M's? I got the su25K and I get Mks, I only bought it due to having Tunguska and BVM 😂
Those are R 60MK's........
First
Oh my gosh stop whining
Typical cry baby complaining
Love getting all 9.7 matches in my Swift F.7 and MiG-15bis 🫠
I love my SU-25, it’s so fun whenever I do get to take it out. I’m also grinding Italy so I gotta stay on it 🫡
R-60 or R-60M is suck af seriusly!!