@moz zo I've heard some people say "That's what the creative team is there for" Kinda just saying that they should be at their A game every single issue. creating Five Star villain's. And Besides , having Batman not kill can be rather interesting for when you want to have somebody that has the Ideological Difference, or...I dunno......uh...someone who kills yet impersonates batman? I...I'm not creative enough to get more Ideas than that.
@moz zo At this point, DC has been milking Batman and Joker way too much, imo. Does anyone actually enjoy Joker comics at this point? Joker never has any consequences. He always escapes from every situation and even if he gets thrown in Arkham, you can be sure he'll be back in a couple of arcs. The most Batman is willing to do to him is either punch him really hard or try and appeal to his obviously non-existant humanity. Joker is walking plot armor att his point and he's only bringing down the other comics.
@moz zo " Like I'm tired if seeing the vigilante who kills go up against batman." I can agree with that. It does get rather Bland after a while. Some of them can be interesting, like the...crap, forgot the name...The uh, the kid going after Joker's guys. And I guess Ghostmaker is something I'd like to see continue, but it does get tiring seeing "Well Batman, you don't kill people so I will, Including You!!!" and if the Vigilante is Popular enough, they may be brought back. Which is what's noce about Batman's No Kill Rule. It's far easier to bring back Bad Guys. It would be incredibly hard to just continuously write new bad guys Over and Over again, and I wouldn't be surprised if they just ran out of Ideas and Batman ended up just failing as a comic book series.
The problem with murdering criminals as a vigilante is already seen here. Clownhunter hunts the murderous clowns and gunning after Harley. However, this still makes him a wanted murderer and thus a target for Ghostmaker. Basically, you become the target for someone else like you. There's a danger with playing judge, jury and executioner.
Though there is truth to that, the main issue with why Ghostmaker is going after Clownhunker is that he is putting other lives at risk by attempting to blow up a building. (putting other lives at risk). at it is clear that Clownhunter is acting purely out of vengeance and the personal desire to kill, not out a moral obligation to stop crime. That being said murder is murder, it is wrong. this is why Batman does not cross that line. Killing a killer still makes the person a killer themselves.
@@amateur-madman3047 unless he knew how to hide it in his "Bruce hole" so well that mob boss body guards couldn't find it. He could have just left it in the car with Rachel without her knowing. Which is way more likely. The bullet was for Chill not Falconni anyway.
Watching Rob cover anything batman is really a drinking game in disguise. Take a shot every time he mentions batman should kill, or slippery slope, or both at the same time
It’s almost like he’s finding reason to be against Batman. It’s like at this point they’re bashing him for not being a dictator like Bane was. How is he going to regulate an entire city with 9 million people when majority lives there for the chaos. He’s not striking much fear in people that know he doesn’t kill or are just as psychotic as Arkham patients.
*Ghostmaker:* _"Criminals should be killed off and not allowed to torment normal people."_ *Clownhunter:* _"You're absolutely right, bro. That's exactly what I'm-"_ *Ghostmaker:* _"So now, I'm going to kill you."_ *Clownhunter:* _"Wait, what? I thought you said-!"_
@ Nothing "is up". By both of their logics, both view the other as "a criminal". Ghostmaker is literally just bigger and stronger. If Clownhunter was a bit more expansive with his hunting and had a bigger arsenal, he'd be hunting Ghostmaker
Maybe ghost maker will take the kid in and train him to be his sidekick of both help each other like the ghost maker teaches him comeback and the kid teach him to save Gotham not destroy it or have ghost maker team up with red hood and son of Batman vs Batman and the new clown kids and the rest of bat family
The thing I don't like about Ghostmaker is that he doesn't want to make Clownhunter his disciple & sidekick. I mean the kid has the same mindset as him so if he has to kill Clownhunter, then he needs to kill himself too. I rather see them team up, so we can get something of an evil & murderous Batman & Robin. I really like to see him give Clownhunter his own costume & weapons including an upgraded & maybe robotic bat.
Maybe after the story end he can retrain his mind like not destroy Gotham but fix it laws and clown kid could be his sidekick or the one to fix the laws while ghost does the killing maybe even red hood would help like I feel at one point redhood would be like enough it time to save Gotham from the rich and the law we need to change that
Ghostmaker's little speech about rebuilding Gotham from the ashes has one fatal flaw, he assumes the people who rebuild it will be better and not turn the city into the same cesspool of criminal activity in the end.
@@jakejake8985 I don't think Jason or Damian would fix anything, just because you kill a few criminals the city itself won't magically stop having criminals or corruption.
The issue Rob and the "you're a half measure" people never want to acknowledge is that it really is a slippery slope. I get that's not what you want to hear, but it's still the truth. If Batman kills the Joker, killing is now "on the table" when dealing with criminals. If it's "on the table" what determines who gets axed and who doesn't? Does the Riddler get to live because he doesn't fill _as many_ graveyards as Joker? What about Harley Quinn or Poison Ivy? Both have their own graveyards full of people. Are their sins retroactively brought forth or are they ignored "just because"? I mean, look at what's happening right now. What makes Clownhunter and Ghostmaker demonstrably different? Both think killing criminals is fine. Both feel they are making Gotham a better place *by* killing. Only problem? Ghostmaker is bigger and stronger than Clownmaker and sees his actions as criminal. Now, with that "You take a life, you die" attitude, two people with the exact same viewpoint are pitted against each other because said viewpoint is so definitively destructive. That's what happens when you say "killing is required and no killing is lazy".
The difference between the two is that Clownhunter seems to not care for the collateral damage. He was about to build a home made rocket launcher to take out Harley with no real forethought to the surrounding civilians. Ghostmaker on the other hand seems to have fine tuned himself to be Bruce's better, to take down and kill solely the criminal in question. Difference in approach and philosophical outlook.
@@RhoneM Well that's the issue, one person is more skilled than the other. Clownhunter can't go toe to toe with Harley and win like Ghostmaker and Batman can, so he has to resort to big surprise tactics that are difficult to walk away from.
Clown hunter lacks a budget. You think ghost maker would not do the same if he had a smaller budget? As for the rest? They need better lawyers and someone ready to warm up the electric chair. Killing everyone will not fix the broken laws and flawed courts. At best you get 40k Night Haunter... Aka what if Batman had less morals and was told to fix the entire planet/city by himself.
Batman's greatest villain we have never heard of, whose never been seen or heard of, suddenly appears from behind a bush. "I've been here the whole, and I am better than Batman". [sigh]
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How else can they do it now everything's been played out, every trope has been done and to be honest the old villains aren't intimidating like penguin how scary is a flightless bird not very much, plus the series is done well because between this time period and batman beyond a bunch of stuff is supposed to happen especially for Gotham and its infrastructure the city looks great in the future.
@ Establish there is new villain, then introduce him. Dont just throw a new guy we are now supposed back track the [messy] history of Batman and say this guy, who is apparently better than Bruce Wayne/Batman in every way has always been there. 'Good story telling...' This story started with an exposition to another exposition.
@ To be fair, irl, an Emperor Penguin would probably F* you up, they're massive.
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@@kurtlindner Really more than a mountain lion or snake I doubt it when was the last time Riddler or penguin or black mask or any of the others do something truly terrible it was always joker doing the real heavy hitting stuff and sadly it always will be.
because its not a good methodology. Gotham has even gotten worse since he arrived. If his methods were at all effective, Gotham would not be the cesspool that it is.
@Vagabond No. if Bruce would have never become Batman in the first place, criminals wouldn’t have been forced to become worse and worse in order to keep up with Batman.
@@amateur-madman3047 ok, and before Batman showed up in Gotham City. The good people were still losing to criminals, the mob and corruption. They even killed the Wayne Family who were the best in help Gotham City. Saying Batman created villians because they had to keep up with him is some bs. Gotham City is the people of Gotham and its them that create the chaos. Its why the Joker can recruit so many people to work for him. In the end, deep down the people of Gotham City are evil AF.
@@mr.dccomics9018 At least then it was petty thugs mobsters and muggers. Now simply because batman exists Gotham’s citizens started being murdered in the thousands and hundreds of thousands instead of just hundreds. And Batman isn’t helping much because all he does is lock up the villains knowing they’ll escape and kill more people again and again.
@@amateur-madman3047 your missing the point. The point is that Gotham City is a breeding ground for criminals. It wouldn't matter how many villians you killed because another will always replace them. Killing one person is not going to change the hearts and minds of the people. The ideal of crime and chaos can't be killed. Its way harder to kill a ideology than it is to kill a person. Thats what people like you don't understand. Killing the Joker or any villian is not going to make a difference because someone will always be ready to replace them. And if people are always going to replace the people killed, then you might as well keep the villians you have. By killing the Joker off or any of Batman's rouges, all your doing is giving writers a impossible job of trying to replace the Joker.
Why is it that the characterisation of joker vs batman always being 'the man who kills 100 ppl VS the man who can prevent the death of 100 ppl'? The joker has free will. He has the ability to prevent the death of 100 ppl and its genuinely confusing as to why batman is always blamed for the killings of the villains. When batman refuses to kill someone, and yet someone dies its not his fault, it's the murders fault.
Plus, what about the civil authorities? Is it Batman's fault that they cannot keep the Joker in, and that they are so ineffectual at fighting crime? Batman is already doing some real miracles for Gotham.
Yea joker has free will but fact is EVERYONE knows joker is gonna kill those people and to prevent the next 100 deaths batman has to take one life. That's why people blame him because he's had the power to stop all these death but hasnt
Joker has most of the fault in this situation because he kills people directly but batman isn't helping anyone by letting the joker live. Batman is killing people indirectly by not ending the clowns life.
John Wilkes Booth would agree with "if you have the power to do good, you have the responsibility to do it." He thought he was doing the right thing killing Lincoln, because from his perspective, he was the good guy.
Not gonna lie might be the best introduction of a new villain for Batman. Granted I’m a bit worn out on Batman but I can always appreciate a good story. I mean...they’re even introducing Cyborg Composite Superman... Also: Am I the only one that thinks Ghostmaker with the cloth mask looks like Iron Fist?
Not really a great intro. Why haven't we seen this guy before if Bruce knew about him. Also he's clearly been doing this somewhere else in another city yet he's come to Gotham just to show up Batman. This is like combing azreal and red hood. Not bad but kinda done before
Hey Rob! Just wanted to say I really love your content. Best comic book channel, imo. Great life advice also. You made it dog, and you're still sharing your wealth... your knowledge and wisdom. Mad respect bro.
Other than that, thank you for all the hard work you do to bring quality entertainment to the masses. I wait daily for your videos and i am sad when I don't see one. Thank you for all u do.
I still find the argument Rob is making kinda flimsy. No, he’s not wrong that the justice system is screwed up, and that it’s getting people killed, but I’m still against the idea of telling Batman to kill people NOT because of t slippery slope “he’ll keep killing” argument, but because I don’t like the idea of a single point of failure. For clarity: While the justice system is still kinda flawed in practice, it fundamentally relies on people coming to a conclusion as a collective, meaning that there is a system of checks and balances to make sure people are not convicted via bias. Sure, nowadays it’s more a game of who can craft the most convincing argument, however I still point to the fact that if Batman’s rogues gallery keep getting thrown in jail instead of getting the death penalty, that’s kinda the fault of the jury, since it’s society deciding to spare their lives. While I agree that, in reality, people like the Joker should be sentenced to death, I heavily disagree with the idea that ONE MAN should have the power to make that choice. After all, Batman’s not a king, why should he have that kind of power?
To add to this. The slippery slope concept doesn't solely effect batman. Others will be influenced by his actions. "Well if batman says it's ok, then I can do it just this one time." Then it escalades from there with other superheros
I don't agree with you. The whole concept of Batman is to work outside the law and do what must be done. Otherwise, there's no point to Batman. Bruce Wayne could've become a police officer or a FBI agent if he wanted to work within the constraints of law and that would've ensured that people like Riddler and Joker wouldn't have appeared too. Why is Batman fighting crime? He isn't a police officer, military personnel or anyone hired by any person in a position of authority. Why does Batman get to pick and choose which part of the law he gets to break and then expect to be seen a s a good guy? The whole point of Batman is that the system cannot be trusted to ensure that justice is carried out. Joker is the prime example of this. Just because a person with mental disabilities cannot be given the death penalty, a well known psychopath is allowed to use what amounts to a revolving door, while leaving a horde of dead bodies in his wake. Even if Batman won't carry out the death sentence, there are plenty of other people more than willing to do it. Jason Todd, for one. Don't stop Jason from killing the Joker. Don't push Batman's skewed morality onto Jason. But no, even that's too far for Batman.
But people also forget that Batman is Bruce Wayne, and Bruce has money and power, and money and power influences politics, so he can influence his local justice system or community but ...who wants to read about that?! lol
I was wondering when Barbara would start appearing in Batman comics again (with her taking the role of Oracle again). I’m also glad to see that Bruce is relying on the family more, like he promised a few issues ago.
Killing is a never-ending cycle of more killing; it doesn’t matter who kills first. And once you legitimize killing the first time, makes it a lot easier to find a reason to kill the next time. And then there’s retaliation... Never-Ending.
I feel like every single Batman video on this channel at this point includes a lecture of why Batman is bad because he doesn't kill his villains. To be fair, that seems to be the same question his writers are asking over the recent story arcs. It'd be nice to see this storyline actually go somewhere instead of just posing the same question over and over and ending in the same place.
@Tess Ticulls Yes, I agree. The writers need to answer the question somehow though, it's a Chekov's gun trope, they have to fire the gun or the story falls flat; and they seem trigger shy.
Hey Rob, can you explain: 1)Trigon 2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter) 3)The Mother of Existence 4)Kang the Conqueror 5)Mogo the Living Planet 6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov) 7)Bat-Mite 8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes) 9)Solomon Grundy 10)Etrigan 11)Hellboy 12)The Young Avengers 13)Judge Death 14)The Tick 15)The Mask 16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl 17)the Mandarin 18)Steel 19)The Eradicator 20)Cyborg Superman 21)Reptil 22)the Doom Patrol 23)The Key(DC) 24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) 25)Lobster Johnson 26)Resurrection Man What If scenarios: Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube Darkseid invades Mega City One Lobo vs. Homelander & The Seven Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher & The Boys Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath Mangog battles Doomsday All Might becomes Captain Universe Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven Judge Death gets Black, Red, Orange & Yellow Lantern Rings Hellboy & the BPRD meet Judge Dredd Beyond Omega Level: Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom) Chuck Norris
As a proud Irishman, it’s definitely Tommy Tivane, as per Celtic roots I’d say. And since it’s Dublin it’s probably pronounced Tommy Tivaineeeeee (we like to accent the “e” by about 7 letters)
Yea, Court of Owls did it so well since even Bruce didn’t know about them, but they make sense. Even to an extent The Maker was fine for giving the villains some history, but former associates like this are always wobbly.
So he’s basically Jason Todd. That’s the vibe I’m getting from this. He’s essentially another Red Hood figure who thinks Batman has failed to truly save Gotham, so he’s taking on the role of Judge, Jury, AND most definitely Executioner.
The older I get, the more I read darker or a little more mature comic books like Saga or Rumble, Image and Dark Horse stuff, but this... this is kinda sick, I love Ghostmakers design
I have always and will always LOVE The Ninja Turtles. I went as Raphael three times in a row for Halloween my brother was Michaelangelo. Those are the best memories.
The clown hunters batarang bat is pretty dope and so is the way his dialogue is written. Althrough i gotta say it didn't seem like bruce was losing the fight in the flashback or any other scenes, unless there was pannels rob didn't show.
I like this fight between batman and ghostmaker but I'm waiting for rob to read story that's so good he goes back to sayin "MAN LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHIN!"
10 / 10 video as always, but one thing: In Batman Begins, Bruce didn't walk into Falcone's place with the gun. He threw it into the river just before, after that talk with Rachel (when she slapped him).
I like how rob forgets about the grime knight a batman in the way he describes and look what happened everyone was after him when he started kill criminals
GhostMaker is basically a argument Jason Todd made to Batman years ago turned into a character. I like it, but I wish they would of took Red Hood to this point. Because in the 3 Jokers story they made Jason out to be the bad guy out of Barbara and Bruce cause he wanted to kill Joker and killed one of them. But the argument Rob made here has been Jason’s argument before, and just like Rob said he’s right. I’d almost go so far as to say I would be in favor of Red Hood and GhostMaker teaming up.
Yes but he wasn’t taken by a rich person he train and left Gotham to come back and save it also hope he is smart enough to fix the law of Gotham and not just kill maybe red hood with team up with him like he is the Same as ghost maker they can save Gotham or else it will never change
DC's Batman formula: Step 1. Some how use Joker into the mix, if not use step 2 Step 2. Create new villain who had ties to Bruce Wayne's past (whether we had mention him before is irrelevant) and have said villain challenge batman on his principles on if he really worst the villains! Step 3. Rinse and repeat all steps.
Ghost makers ideology ain't new... It's very similar to red hood during his early days and hush was like the dude whom batsie met during childhood. But his costume is sick!
You act like that's not the same formula for every popular superhero. Why doesn't Peter Parker kill Doc Oc? Why don't the x-men kill magneto? Why doesn't Superman kill lex Luther? Come on
I agree with ghostmaker, Batman has to be completely delusional if he thinks that letting people like the joker stay alive this the right choice, he is endangering too many lives to count by leaving his big villains alive, I’m not saying everyone of his rogues are worthy of being killed, if Harley is anything to go by villains can change, but the ones who do deserve to die SHOULD DIE. Has hard as it is to say Batman is good at defending his city, time and time again he allows his villains to be put in Arkham just to breakout after a while and cause more mayhem
I can’t believe Ghostmaker was going to kill Clownhunter. Many people, including myself was assuming that he would make Clownhunter into his “Robin.” Plus, some on the summaries for the upcoming comics hint at it.
CALLING IT NOW GHOSTMAKER IS ALFRED'S KID. HE'S PISSED AT HOW "BATMAN" "LET" HIS DAD DIE AND "LET" GOTHAM TURN INTO A "HELLHOLE". More-a-less he's deep down jealous of Bruce angry at his now dead Dad for being there for Bruce and his "Family and city" bu not his own son and NOW will SHOW his dead dad Alfred and Bruce What it MEANS to clean up Gotham and doing it himself. Being super skilled wasn't Alfred MI6 from England? Which is pretty close to Dublin. Maybe his mother's from Gotham.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone quite literally not get Batman more then Rob here. Like, I don't know if it's necessarily because he doesn't understand or isn't interested in the more psychological themes of these stories as well as exploring the sort of moral divide that exists inside these characters or not but... I think the reason Batman doesn't kill as a rule is kind of obvious, especially when put alongside characters that do. You can say "The slippery slope doesn't exist" all you want, but evidently in Batman, it most certainly does. Many characters, even when trying to redeem themselves slip into their old ways because they're easier, including characters like the Red Hood and Damian Wayne. They often try to stay above it, but both often find themselves slipping. Sure, Batman COULD theoretically just kill one person and have the willpower to resist killing more... But would he risk it? Would he risk making that mistake? That's literally the Joker's main plan in multiple instances, as soon as Batman kills him, that means he's won. Not to mention, we've certainly seen other universes where their Batman DOES kill, we know he would fall. Aside from that, Batman also believes in second chances to an almost unhealthy degree. He would rather spend time, money, resources, and risk his own life to help criminals reform their lives and possibly be rehabilitated into the world as honest members of society then let a single one of his rogues gallery die. He wants to help them, not throw them away. Hell, when criminals do try and reform, Wayne Enterprises is almost always the first to reach out and say they have a job waiting for them.
That repetitive argument of "if batman doesn't kill the joker knowing the joker is a killer, isn't he worse than the joker" holds absolutely no weight to me. Gotham has a justice system that has the possibility of prison or the death penalty. Once batman gets someone to the propper authorities what happens next isn't on him. Its on the justice system that decided to put him in an insance asylum, or decided against the death penalty. Its different for someone like superman who on many occasions is the only one who has a chance to stop some of the villains he faces. In those cases those villains are omega or beyone and your typical cell can't hold them, nor can your average hero stop them. But for batmans human level threats, the justice system failed gotham not him. He's a vigilante with his own code true, but he does on many occasions maybe even most work with gcpd and never once did he agree to be their executioner, that job belongs to someone else.
batman is a criminal, and he's aware of that fact. I think that's why he refuses to kill. it's his own personal law. he knows if he doesn't abide by some kind of law he's no different from "them". he has to break the law routinely in order to catch the bad guy, so he makes sure not to break the law that created him. basically he became a criminal to stop murder, so of course he's not gonna engage in it.
DC Character: Kills Criminals instead of putting them in prison.
Rob: Y'know, I think I like you.
@moz zo I've heard some people say "That's what the creative team is there for" Kinda just saying that they should be at their A game every single issue. creating Five Star villain's. And Besides , having Batman not kill can be rather interesting for when you want to have somebody that has the Ideological Difference, or...I dunno......uh...someone who kills yet impersonates batman? I...I'm not creative enough to get more Ideas than that.
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@moz zo At this point, DC has been milking Batman and Joker way too much, imo.
Does anyone actually enjoy Joker comics at this point? Joker never has any consequences. He always escapes from every situation and even if he gets thrown in Arkham, you can be sure he'll be back in a couple of arcs. The most Batman is willing to do to him is either punch him really hard or try and appeal to his obviously non-existant humanity.
Joker is walking plot armor att his point and he's only bringing down the other comics.
@@justsomeguywithabeardx The numbers don't match your narrative, and DC is well aware of it. Joker=$$$ and unfortunately, we'll be seeing more of him.
@moz zo " Like I'm tired if seeing the vigilante who kills go up against batman."
I can agree with that. It does get rather Bland after a while. Some of them can be interesting, like the...crap, forgot the name...The uh, the kid going after Joker's guys. And I guess Ghostmaker is something I'd like to see continue, but it does get tiring seeing "Well Batman, you don't kill people so I will, Including You!!!" and if the Vigilante is Popular enough, they may be brought back. Which is what's noce about Batman's No Kill Rule. It's far easier to bring back Bad Guys.
It would be incredibly hard to just continuously write new bad guys Over and Over again, and I wouldn't be surprised if they just ran out of Ideas and Batman ended up just failing as a comic book series.
It's gotta suck being a defunded Batman. I'm just imagining Bruce hunched down after every couple fights picking up batarangs
I'm imagining Bruce at Home Depot trying to find someone to show him where steel sheet is, _but all the employees vanish when he makes eye contact._
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Selina jabbing him from behind, “so tell me again why you didn’t keep 500M in gold bars somewhere?”
There's always rorshach
“Right off the BAT” I love this guy sm 😭
Dont we all
That drinking game was done after the third time
Sit down
The problem with murdering criminals as a vigilante is already seen here. Clownhunter hunts the murderous clowns and gunning after Harley. However, this still makes him a wanted murderer and thus a target for Ghostmaker. Basically, you become the target for someone else like you.
There's a danger with playing judge, jury and executioner.
Yeah, it's not very deep at all and the obvious flaws in the argument are _glaringly_ obvious.
Though there is truth to that, the main issue with why Ghostmaker is going after Clownhunker is that he is putting other lives at risk by attempting to blow up a building. (putting other lives at risk). at it is clear that Clownhunter is acting purely out of vengeance and the personal desire to kill, not out a moral obligation to stop crime. That being said murder is murder, it is wrong. this is why Batman does not cross that line. Killing a killer still makes the person a killer themselves.
The old "Id like to report the theft of a big bag of cocaine, Officer" conundrum.
@@kurtlindner Was that at my statement or about being a vigilante who kills?
@@Grayson.P Clownhunter and Ghostmaker may have differing motivations, but it is still similar modus operandi.
Ghostmaker: "This city smells like pee..... I'm gonna burn it to the ground"
Ghostmaker clearly has never been to New York or LA. lol
@@kurtlindner well I heard that Gotham is supposed to be based on nighttime New York, and that Metropolis is daytime New York.
@@PureGoldNeverCorrodes I haven't heard that, but could totally see it.
I've never had to correct Rob, but in the Movie scene with Bruce and Falconni. Bruce had no gun, he even said " What no gun? I'm insulted."
Yeah Rachel slapped Bruce and told him his father would be ashamed of him for having a gun. So Bruce threw it in the river.
Bruce definitely had a gun. He just didn’t use it. He literally takes it out in the very next scene
@@amateur-madman3047 unless he knew how to hide it in his "Bruce hole" so well that mob boss body guards couldn't find it. He could have just left it in the car with Rachel without her knowing. Which is way more likely. The bullet was for Chill not Falconni anyway.
Pfft. Didn’t make a single ghost. I am disappointed. Cool Destiny cosplay, though.
are you the bootleg of the original commenter or are you part of he's army
Cool design. Terrible name.
@@raymondyongho5757 What's next? Phantom Procreator?
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@@raymondyongho5757 doesn’t ghost maker mean he kills people turns them into ghost? Sounds bad ass if you don’t think to much
Watching Rob cover anything batman is really a drinking game in disguise. Take a shot every time he mentions batman should kill, or slippery slope, or both at the same time
Take two if he calls Batman a half-measure.
Batman: **exists**
Rob: *WHY ISN'T THERE MARTIAL LAW IN GOTHAM???*
It’s almost like he’s finding reason to be against Batman. It’s like at this point they’re bashing him for not being a dictator like Bane was. How is he going to regulate an entire city with 9 million people when majority lives there for the chaos. He’s not striking much fear in people that know he doesn’t kill or are just as psychotic as Arkham patients.
*Ghostmaker:* _"Criminals should be killed off and not allowed to torment normal people."_
*Clownhunter:* _"You're absolutely right, bro. That's exactly what I'm-"_
*Ghostmaker:* _"So now, I'm going to kill you."_
*Clownhunter:* _"Wait, what? I thought you said-!"_
@ Nothing "is up". By both of their logics, both view the other as "a criminal". Ghostmaker is literally just bigger and stronger.
If Clownhunter was a bit more expansive with his hunting and had a bigger arsenal, he'd be hunting Ghostmaker
@@Malthizar Naw, Ghostmaker's motivation, in this instance especially, makes absolutely no sense.
Maybe ghost maker will take the kid in and train him to be his sidekick of both help each other like the ghost maker teaches him comeback and the kid teach him to save Gotham not destroy it or have ghost maker team up with red hood and son of Batman vs Batman and the new clown kids and the rest of bat family
I feel like ghost hunter is like refined and orderly, whereas clown hunter is chaotic.
he was there to draw out batman because he knew batman was looking for clownhunter.
The thing I don't like about Ghostmaker is that he doesn't want to make Clownhunter his disciple & sidekick. I mean the kid has the same mindset as him so if he has to kill Clownhunter, then he needs to kill himself too. I rather see them team up, so we can get something of an evil & murderous Batman & Robin. I really like to see him give Clownhunter his own costume & weapons including an upgraded & maybe robotic bat.
yeah i thought thats where he was headed, to make him his own Robin but guess not.
to be fair clownhunter was gonna blow up an apartment with an innocent landlord
He’s DC’s Punisher with an end goal.
Maybe after the story end he can retrain his mind like not destroy Gotham but fix it laws and clown kid could be his sidekick or the one to fix the laws while ghost does the killing maybe even red hood would help like I feel at one point redhood would be like enough it time to save Gotham from the rich and the law we need to change that
Ghostmaker's little speech about rebuilding Gotham from the ashes has one fatal flaw, he assumes the people who rebuild it will be better and not turn the city into the same cesspool of criminal activity in the end.
Worked when God did it with Sodom and Gomorrah. XD
He’s the guy that reads philosophy threads on Reddit at 2am, gets up at 6am and stays out until 12:14am.
He need someone to help him fix the laws like redhood,daymian, or someone else we need Gotham to grow
@@jakejake8985 I don't think Jason or Damian would fix anything, just because you kill a few criminals the city itself won't magically stop having criminals or corruption.
@@SuperShanko Oh, so the “Thanos was right” guys from Reddit when Infinity War dropped? Lmao
The issue Rob and the "you're a half measure" people never want to acknowledge is that it really is a slippery slope. I get that's not what you want to hear, but it's still the truth.
If Batman kills the Joker, killing is now "on the table" when dealing with criminals. If it's "on the table" what determines who gets axed and who doesn't? Does the Riddler get to live because he doesn't fill _as many_ graveyards as Joker? What about Harley Quinn or Poison Ivy? Both have their own graveyards full of people. Are their sins retroactively brought forth or are they ignored "just because"?
I mean, look at what's happening right now. What makes Clownhunter and Ghostmaker demonstrably different? Both think killing criminals is fine. Both feel they are making Gotham a better place *by* killing.
Only problem? Ghostmaker is bigger and stronger than Clownmaker and sees his actions as criminal. Now, with that "You take a life, you die" attitude, two people with the exact same viewpoint are pitted against each other because said viewpoint is so definitively destructive.
That's what happens when you say "killing is required and no killing is lazy".
The difference between the two is that Clownhunter seems to not care for the collateral damage. He was about to build a home made rocket launcher to take out Harley with no real forethought to the surrounding civilians. Ghostmaker on the other hand seems to have fine tuned himself to be Bruce's better, to take down and kill solely the criminal in question. Difference in approach and philosophical outlook.
What batman could always do is put the criminals in a coma. Not killing them but incapacitating them indefinitely.
@@RhoneM Well that's the issue, one person is more skilled than the other. Clownhunter can't go toe to toe with Harley and win like Ghostmaker and Batman can, so he has to resort to big surprise tactics that are difficult to walk away from.
Clown hunter lacks a budget. You think ghost maker would not do the same if he had a smaller budget?
As for the rest? They need better lawyers and someone ready to warm up the electric chair. Killing everyone will not fix the broken laws and flawed courts.
At best you get 40k Night Haunter... Aka what if Batman had less morals and was told to fix the entire planet/city by himself.
This isn’t a slippery slope. Apply your logic to cops, servicemen, or a Atom bomb dropped on Nagaski. See how that works out.
I see Ghostmaker likes to spend his hard earned money on destiny armor
Very good comment.
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lmao
It does look like it would be there. I'd get it for my hunter if could.
Damn, I lowkey thought that Ghostmaker was going to take Clownhunter under his wing and teach him. SOMEBODY TRAIN THAT BOY PLEASE!!!
Ghostmaker's design reminds me of a blend between Moon Knight and Deadpool my brotha!
He looks so cool
I was gonna say he looks like a cross between Moon Knight and Genji
just more dc copying marvel because their own ideas suck
So Moonpool, Deadknight, Deadmoon, Poolknight.
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Batman's greatest villain we have never heard of, whose never been seen or heard of, suddenly appears from behind a bush. "I've been here the whole, and I am better than Batman". [sigh]
How else can they do it now everything's been played out, every trope has been done and to be honest the old villains aren't intimidating like penguin how scary is a flightless bird not very much, plus the series is done well because between this time period and batman beyond a bunch of stuff is supposed to happen especially for Gotham and its infrastructure the city looks great in the future.
@ Establish there is new villain, then introduce him. Dont just throw a new guy we are now supposed back track the [messy] history of Batman and say this guy, who is apparently better than Bruce Wayne/Batman in every way has always been there. 'Good story telling...' This story started with an exposition to another exposition.
For. Real.
I'd like to see them take a note from Venture brothers, just have a henchman improve over time to become something interesting.
@ To be fair, irl, an Emperor Penguin would probably F* you up, they're massive.
@@kurtlindner Really more than a mountain lion or snake I doubt it when was the last time Riddler or penguin or black mask or any of the others do something truly terrible it was always joker doing the real heavy hitting stuff and sadly it always will be.
Rob is the meme of the unfaithful boyfriend looking at Ghost Maker while Batman stares at him indignant.
Confirmed: Rob dislikes Batman methodology.
because its not a good methodology. Gotham has even gotten worse since he arrived. If his methods were at all effective, Gotham would not be the cesspool that it is.
@Vagabond No. if Bruce would have never become Batman in the first place, criminals wouldn’t have been forced to become worse and worse in order to keep up with Batman.
@@amateur-madman3047 ok, and before Batman showed up in Gotham City. The good people were still losing to criminals, the mob and corruption. They even killed the Wayne Family who were the best in help Gotham City.
Saying Batman created villians because they had to keep up with him is some bs. Gotham City is the people of Gotham and its them that create the chaos. Its why the Joker can recruit so many people to work for him. In the end, deep down the people of Gotham City are evil AF.
@@mr.dccomics9018 At least then it was petty thugs mobsters and muggers. Now simply because batman exists Gotham’s citizens started being murdered in the thousands and hundreds of thousands instead of just hundreds. And Batman isn’t helping much because all he does is lock up the villains knowing they’ll escape and kill more people again and again.
@@amateur-madman3047 your missing the point. The point is that Gotham City is a breeding ground for criminals. It wouldn't matter how many villians you killed because another will always replace them. Killing one person is not going to change the hearts and minds of the people. The ideal of crime and chaos can't be killed. Its way harder to kill a ideology than it is to kill a person.
Thats what people like you don't understand. Killing the Joker or any villian is not going to make a difference because someone will always be ready to replace them. And if people are always going to replace the people killed, then you might as well keep the villians you have.
By killing the Joker off or any of Batman's rouges, all your doing is giving writers a impossible job of trying to replace the Joker.
Why is it that the characterisation of joker vs batman always being 'the man who kills 100 ppl VS the man who can prevent the death of 100 ppl'? The joker has free will. He has the ability to prevent the death of 100 ppl and its genuinely confusing as to why batman is always blamed for the killings of the villains. When batman refuses to kill someone, and yet someone dies its not his fault, it's the murders fault.
Plus, what about the civil authorities? Is it Batman's fault that they cannot keep the Joker in, and that they are so ineffectual at fighting crime? Batman is already doing some real miracles for Gotham.
Yea joker has free will but fact is EVERYONE knows joker is gonna kill those people and to prevent the next 100 deaths batman has to take one life. That's why people blame him because he's had the power to stop all these death but hasnt
If I witness a rape and don’t stop I’m going to jail to and I’m just as bad
@@bumbleknees6819 by that logic any of the police could have done that but havent
Joker has most of the fault in this situation because he kills people directly but batman isn't helping anyone by letting the joker live. Batman is killing people indirectly by not ending the clowns life.
Batman’s gonna lose, because they need to pad for more run time.
John Wilkes Booth would agree with "if you have the power to do good, you have the responsibility to do it." He thought he was doing the right thing killing Lincoln, because from his perspective, he was the good guy.
Rob: Man, Batman sucks he should kills his villains.
Also Rob: Here’s 47 new Batman videos this month. Join us on Discord.
Not gonna lie might be the best introduction of a new villain for Batman. Granted I’m a bit worn out on Batman but I can always appreciate a good story. I mean...they’re even introducing Cyborg Composite Superman...
Also: Am I the only one that thinks Ghostmaker with the cloth mask looks like Iron Fist?
Same. Joker war kind of drained me
Not really a great intro. Why haven't we seen this guy before if Bruce knew about him. Also he's clearly been doing this somewhere else in another city yet he's come to Gotham just to show up Batman.
This is like combing azreal and red hood. Not bad but kinda done before
LOL I thought that also with the cloth mask.
In Batman Begins Bruce Wayne didn’t go in the bar with a gun.
Carmine Falcone had him checked and found nothing.
“ No gun? I’m insulted!”
That was one of your most intense videos ever,keep up the good work my man,EXCELCIOR!
Hey Rob!
Just wanted to say I really love your content.
Best comic book channel, imo.
Great life advice also.
You made it dog, and you're still sharing your wealth... your knowledge and wisdom.
Mad respect bro.
Other than that, thank you for all the hard work you do to bring quality entertainment to the masses. I wait daily for your videos and i am sad when I don't see one. Thank you for all u do.
Love the Ending of the Video.
Can’t wait for More.
One long Story is what I Love.
I still find the argument Rob is making kinda flimsy.
No, he’s not wrong that the justice system is screwed up, and that it’s getting people killed, but I’m still against the idea of telling Batman to kill people NOT because of t slippery slope “he’ll keep killing” argument, but because I don’t like the idea of a single point of failure.
For clarity:
While the justice system is still kinda flawed in practice, it fundamentally relies on people coming to a conclusion as a collective, meaning that there is a system of checks and balances to make sure people are not convicted via bias.
Sure, nowadays it’s more a game of who can craft the most convincing argument, however I still point to the fact that if Batman’s rogues gallery keep getting thrown in jail instead of getting the death penalty, that’s kinda the fault of the jury, since it’s society deciding to spare their lives.
While I agree that, in reality, people like the Joker should be sentenced to death, I heavily disagree with the idea that ONE MAN should have the power to make that choice.
After all, Batman’s not a king, why should he have that kind of power?
This, is a really good argument you offered here.
To add to this. The slippery slope concept doesn't solely effect batman. Others will be influenced by his actions. "Well if batman says it's ok, then I can do it just this one time." Then it escalades from there with other superheros
I don't agree with you. The whole concept of Batman is to work outside the law and do what must be done. Otherwise, there's no point to Batman. Bruce Wayne could've become a police officer or a FBI agent if he wanted to work within the constraints of law and that would've ensured that people like Riddler and Joker wouldn't have appeared too.
Why is Batman fighting crime? He isn't a police officer, military personnel or anyone hired by any person in a position of authority. Why does Batman get to pick and choose which part of the law he gets to break and then expect to be seen a s a good guy?
The whole point of Batman is that the system cannot be trusted to ensure that justice is carried out. Joker is the prime example of this. Just because a person with mental disabilities cannot be given the death penalty, a well known psychopath is allowed to use what amounts to a revolving door, while leaving a horde of dead bodies in his wake.
Even if Batman won't carry out the death sentence, there are plenty of other people more than willing to do it. Jason Todd, for one. Don't stop Jason from killing the Joker. Don't push Batman's skewed morality onto Jason. But no, even that's too far for Batman.
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But people also forget that Batman is Bruce Wayne, and Bruce has money and power, and money and power influences politics, so he can influence his local justice system or community but ...who wants to read about that?! lol
Ghostmaker is like you take Batman and give him the philosophy of the Punisher.
Dammit Rob just when things starting getting good you cut it off lol bring us more Ghostmaker 😂😂🤘🤘
Ghostmaker's suit is really cool I gotta say :D
I was wondering when Barbara would start appearing in Batman comics again (with her taking the role of Oracle again). I’m also glad to see that Bruce is relying on the family more, like he promised a few issues ago.
I’m rooting for GhostMaker he’ll make an ghost out of anyone 👻
You better believe it. GhostMaker 2020
Except Deadman. He’s already a ghost.
@@SuperShanko Well then, it looks like he'll have to make him into a Human, and _then make him a ghost again_
Am I the only one who gets _Really Excited_ whenever Rob mentions that scene from Batman Begins? 😂😁😁
Most certainly not. It gets the angry hype train chugging along!
I LOVE this new nemesis, thanks for covering it!
Ghostnaker says kill, he has to be Rob's newest fav character
Killing is a never-ending cycle of more killing; it doesn’t matter who kills first. And once you legitimize killing the first time, makes it a lot easier to find a reason to kill the next time. And then there’s retaliation... Never-Ending.
Lol, "Right off the Bat...." -Rob
I feel like every single Batman video on this channel at this point includes a lecture of why Batman is bad because he doesn't kill his villains. To be fair, that seems to be the same question his writers are asking over the recent story arcs.
It'd be nice to see this storyline actually go somewhere instead of just posing the same question over and over and ending in the same place.
@Tess Ticulls Yes, I agree. The writers need to answer the question somehow though, it's a Chekov's gun trope, they have to fire the gun or the story falls flat; and they seem trigger shy.
Come on y’all, Road to 2 Million subs for Rob!!
Rob Corps Unite!!!
anything Batman has my full attention lol thx rob! awesome vid.
I'm Sorry I love batman, but i love it when someone calls him out whether it is about purpose of Bruce being Batman or If he is actually a hero.
Hey Rob, can you explain:
1)Trigon
2)Spider-Woman (Julia Carpenter)
3)The Mother of Existence
4)Kang the Conqueror
5)Mogo the Living Planet
6)Crimson Dynamo (Valetin Shatalov)
7)Bat-Mite
8)Blue Beetle(Jaime Reyes)
9)Solomon Grundy
10)Etrigan
11)Hellboy
12)The Young Avengers
13)Judge Death
14)The Tick
15)The Mask
16)Hawkman & Hawkgirl
17)the Mandarin
18)Steel
19)The Eradicator
20)Cyborg Superman
21)Reptil
22)the Doom Patrol
23)The Key(DC)
24)Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew)
25)Lobster Johnson
26)Resurrection Man
What If scenarios:
Darkseid gets a Cosmic Cube
Darkseid invades Mega City One
Lobo vs. Homelander & The Seven
Ultra Man fights Homelander and The Seven
Judge Death gets a Astral Regulator
Judge Dredd meets Billy Butcher & The Boys
Unicron battles Shuma-Gorath
Mangog battles Doomsday
All Might becomes Captain Universe
Manchester Black & The Elite fight Homelander & The Seven
Judge Death gets Black, Red, Orange & Yellow Lantern Rings
Hellboy & the BPRD meet Judge Dredd
Beyond Omega Level:
Odin’s Doom(Ultimate Alliance Dr Doom)
Chuck Norris
God dam that’s a lot
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Definitely Trigon
As a proud Irishman, it’s definitely Tommy Tivane, as per Celtic roots I’d say. And since it’s Dublin it’s probably pronounced Tommy Tivaineeeeee (we like to accent the “e” by about 7 letters)
this thing of having a figure from the past that were never mentioned before but is here now and we pretend is a big deal is so lame.
I think the dumbest thing is having ghostmaker try to kill clown hunter when theyre doing the exact same thing.
Yea, Court of Owls did it so well since even Bruce didn’t know about them, but they make sense.
Even to an extent The Maker was fine for giving the villains some history, but former associates like this are always wobbly.
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Then it’s clearly a vanity project for him. He must be the only one.
im sorry you think adding to the mythos is a bad thing
First of all can we talk about how epic and badass ghostmaker's suit looks
Yes! and then after that can we talk about how his name is just "I kill people" with less words
Let's GO!!!! ROB, YOU make my mornings AMAZING!!!! LOVE THE WORK YOU ALL DO!!!!! Stay strong my brutha.✊🏾✊🏾
Red hood sees ghost maker: HE STOLE MY FLOW BAR FOR BAR!!
*goes on a huge marvel and timely explanation for the grinners*
Me: Sooooo they’re the jokerz gang from Batman beyond got it
Please continue Green lantern!
Please!
So he’s basically Jason Todd. That’s the vibe I’m getting from this. He’s essentially another Red Hood figure who thinks Batman has failed to truly save Gotham, so he’s taking on the role of Judge, Jury, AND most definitely Executioner.
"Marvel's attempt to build on the superman mythos." 3:22 rob I thought superman is part of dc 🤔
Ghost maker hangover😂😂😂
Really loved this issue and the video made it all the way better! Btw will you cover Detective comics by Tomasi?
The older I get, the more I read darker or a little more mature comic books like Saga or Rumble, Image and Dark Horse stuff, but this... this is kinda sick, I love Ghostmakers design
GhostMaker is so cool! I'm really excited to see where this goes.
I have always and will always LOVE The Ninja Turtles. I went as Raphael three times in a row for Halloween my brother was Michaelangelo. Those are the best memories.
how has Gotham not implemented the death penalty
I love just Ghostmakers inclusion, a new piece of Batmans past is always appreciated (assuming it’s done right)
The clown hunters batarang bat is pretty dope and so is the way his dialogue is written. Althrough i gotta say it didn't seem like bruce was losing the fight in the flashback or any other scenes, unless there was pannels rob didn't show.
Rob is always adding more to the narrative about Batman not killing, I think he has a bigger grudge with Batman than the GhostMaker does!!
I like Ghostmakers' way of thinking!
I like this fight between batman and ghostmaker but I'm waiting for rob to read story that's so good he goes back to sayin "MAN LEMME TELL YOU SOMETHIN!"
10 / 10 video as always, but one thing: In Batman Begins, Bruce didn't walk into Falcone's place with the gun. He threw it into the river just before, after that talk with Rachel (when she slapped him).
Rob: There is no slippery slope.
Ghostmaker: I’m killing all the villains.
Rob: Ghostmaker is cool.
Great hero/anti-hero villian hero! Nvr saw this comming..great looking story so far! Keep um comming plz!!
I like how rob forgets about the grime knight a batman in the way he describes and look what happened everyone was after him when he started kill criminals
Ghost Maker reminds me of Venom. From the suit basically talking to him to his stance on "Justice".
8:55 tell it to every speck of self trying to empower those departed to return to life. Perhaps the grief of I all. Perhaps....my Axe.
And yeah.....let's begin.... I'm going to set that as my morning alarm
Imagine Ghost maker makes his own Robin, Red X.
It'll be so cool🙀🙀🙀
GhostMaker is basically a argument Jason Todd made to Batman years ago turned into a character. I like it, but I wish they would of took Red Hood to this point. Because in the 3 Jokers story they made Jason out to be the bad guy out of Barbara and Bruce cause he wanted to kill Joker and killed one of them. But the argument Rob made here has been Jason’s argument before, and just like Rob said he’s right. I’d almost go so far as to say I would be in favor of Red Hood and GhostMaker teaming up.
Yesss!!! Haven’t even seen the video yet but I’ve been so hype for this, a new decisive direction for Batman!
Right off.....the bat...lol I see what you doing Rob.
About damn time Rob
Here we go with the Batman begins reference again lol
That escalated really quick
Ghostmaker has no chill, he appears he stomps he stonks!
This cat needs a back story. Like his method and ideology put to work in another city, pros and cons...
People are probably going to get mad at me for this but isn’t ghostmaker just the red hood
Yo I was thinking the same thing. Like listening to the philosophy I was like red hood. The only thing missing is Control crime.
Yes but he wasn’t taken by a rich person he train and left Gotham to come back and save it also hope he is smart enough to fix the law of Gotham and not just kill maybe red hood with team up with him like he is the Same as ghost maker they can save Gotham or else it will never change
I was just about to type this lmao
This is going to be very very good I am intrigued.
DC's Batman formula:
Step 1. Some how use Joker into the mix, if not use step 2
Step 2. Create new villain who had ties to Bruce Wayne's past (whether we had mention him before is irrelevant) and have said villain challenge batman on his principles on if he really worst the villains!
Step 3. Rinse and repeat all steps.
Ghost makers ideology ain't new... It's very similar to red hood during his early days and hush was like the dude whom batsie met during childhood. But his costume is sick!
@@harikiran4339 dont forget Azeal and clown hunter
@@harikiran4339 yeah like the Arkham knight
You act like that's not the same formula for every popular superhero. Why doesn't Peter Parker kill Doc Oc? Why don't the x-men kill magneto? Why doesn't Superman kill lex Luther? Come on
@@mmanzanozr1 dude dont give me that..... batman makes it a point on non killing!
Yknow Batman prologue stories are fucking whole animes like anyone ever notice that...
its really epic honestly
Love the drawings of ghost maker
Comics Explained drinking game. Take a shot every time Rob insults Batman for doing something that he upholds Superman as the perfect hero over.
I agree with ghostmaker, Batman has to be completely delusional if he thinks that letting people like the joker stay alive this the right choice, he is endangering too many lives to count by leaving his big villains alive, I’m not saying everyone of his rogues are worthy of being killed, if Harley is anything to go by villains can change, but the ones who do deserve to die SHOULD DIE. Has hard as it is to say Batman is good at defending his city, time and time again he allows his villains to be put in Arkham just to breakout after a while and cause more mayhem
I can’t believe Ghostmaker was going to kill Clownhunter. Many people, including myself was assuming that he would make Clownhunter into his “Robin.” Plus, some on the summaries for the upcoming comics hint at it.
I'm loving this storyline please continue this nonstop. Also I wanted to hear more on Transformers comics where should I start.
CALLING IT NOW GHOSTMAKER IS ALFRED'S KID. HE'S PISSED AT HOW "BATMAN" "LET" HIS DAD DIE AND "LET" GOTHAM TURN INTO A "HELLHOLE". More-a-less he's deep down jealous of Bruce angry at his now dead Dad for being there for Bruce and his "Family and city" bu not his own son and NOW will SHOW his dead dad Alfred and Bruce What it MEANS to clean up Gotham and doing it himself. Being super skilled wasn't Alfred MI6 from England? Which is pretty close to Dublin. Maybe his mother's from Gotham.
The 👻sign has wings like 🦇 sign on Batman’s chest , that’s BATASS 😻
Love u rob u got me back in comics
I associated The Grinners with The Grinning Man by Victor Hugo. Gwynplain being an inspiration for The Joker.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone quite literally not get Batman more then Rob here. Like, I don't know if it's necessarily because he doesn't understand or isn't interested in the more psychological themes of these stories as well as exploring the sort of moral divide that exists inside these characters or not but... I think the reason Batman doesn't kill as a rule is kind of obvious, especially when put alongside characters that do. You can say "The slippery slope doesn't exist" all you want, but evidently in Batman, it most certainly does. Many characters, even when trying to redeem themselves slip into their old ways because they're easier, including characters like the Red Hood and Damian Wayne. They often try to stay above it, but both often find themselves slipping.
Sure, Batman COULD theoretically just kill one person and have the willpower to resist killing more... But would he risk it? Would he risk making that mistake? That's literally the Joker's main plan in multiple instances, as soon as Batman kills him, that means he's won. Not to mention, we've certainly seen other universes where their Batman DOES kill, we know he would fall.
Aside from that, Batman also believes in second chances to an almost unhealthy degree. He would rather spend time, money, resources, and risk his own life to help criminals reform their lives and possibly be rehabilitated into the world as honest members of society then let a single one of his rogues gallery die. He wants to help them, not throw them away. Hell, when criminals do try and reform, Wayne Enterprises is almost always the first to reach out and say they have a job waiting for them.
WHEN DID BRUCE WAYNE TRAIN IN MOROCCO!! AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA IM GASSED
I love Ghost Maker's character design.
That repetitive argument of "if batman doesn't kill the joker knowing the joker is a killer, isn't he worse than the joker" holds absolutely no weight to me. Gotham has a justice system that has the possibility of prison or the death penalty. Once batman gets someone to the propper authorities what happens next isn't on him. Its on the justice system that decided to put him in an insance asylum, or decided against the death penalty. Its different for someone like superman who on many occasions is the only one who has a chance to stop some of the villains he faces. In those cases those villains are omega or beyone and your typical cell can't hold them, nor can your average hero stop them. But for batmans human level threats, the justice system failed gotham not him. He's a vigilante with his own code true, but he does on many occasions maybe even most work with gcpd and never once did he agree to be their executioner, that job belongs to someone else.
batman is a criminal, and he's aware of that fact.
I think that's why he refuses to kill. it's his own personal law. he knows if he doesn't abide by some kind of law he's no different from "them". he has to break the law routinely in order to catch the bad guy, so he makes sure not to break the law that created him.
basically he became a criminal to stop murder, so of course he's not gonna engage in it.
Batmans Loophole :P
"Super philosophical" LOL
New sub when will part 2 be out ?