Old Steam Powered Machine Shop 67: DC power from steam
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This is offering No. 67 in a series of videos from my shop that I put together to demonstrate a line shaft, steam powered "job" machine shop of about 1925. The tasks here involve the next operation on a batch of 5 line shaft hangars (bearings) built from castings, making up a countershaft to increase the speed ratio of a drive system for a DC electric dynamo to make power for shop lighting and some trial running of the 1897 planer. As always, discussion, comments and questions about steam power and old machine shop practice are always welcome here. Check my community tab for shop news. Thanks for watching....Dave
I could be watching Netflix (or whatever) right now, but instead I'm watching this. Why? Because it's immensely fascinating, and I feel like I'm actually learning something. Plus, it's good to know that there are skilful individuals with off-grid manufacturing capabilities who could get society back in running order if all those Preppers' worst fears come true. 😁
Thanks for your encouraging comment. It's interesting to me to do things in the context of life before municipal electric power. There was a lot of water power around this area also if you could put up a dam in the creek....Dave
Dave I can never get enough. Love watching you and these machines working.
That is amazing how they made equipment back in the day. That shop totally running off that steam engine is awesome. You are to be commended for keeping the old technology alive. 👍👍
I just wish you had a young apprentice to carry on your good work!
Not just alive... but his equipment looks like it's in a fantastic state of maintenance... very clean shop. This guy is pure gold.
Would like to see the shop build, this in itself would be a remarkable series 👌🏿
Hey Dave,
I can cut your hair. Just a trim. Mine might be a little much as I usually shave mine. I continue to like your machine shop videos. My father started in a shop like the one that you run as a young man. He passed in 2007 and I miss him terribly. He was a true child of that era and could make anything from spare parts. His last machine job was making water meters with my uncle, who passed in 1976. We are losing so many irreplaceable people who know how to run a job shop that it saddens me. My shop closed in 2005 and I sold out due to others able to buy cheap parts, ship them here and then sell them for less than I could buy raw stock. I hope you keep up the good work. God Bless
COVID 19 Hair. We have all had it. Some day we'll be able to go to the barber without worry...
he's letting his hippy come through,,oh the humanity!
I'm also a long hair! so cheers to dave! whoes got time when there is shaping to be done.
sad to hear about shops not being able to compete these days..but we are all to blame for wanting cheep stuff..I'm sure you made quality parts. but computer added machining is here to stay and it's why manual machinist are just a hobby now.. sad that..but I wish Dave had an apprentice so his emense talents should live on..I'm too old but I would have been in heaven being able to have worked for him in that shop as a youth.
Always a pleasure to see a new video from the most knowledgeable steam guy on YT.
I have a request. Jonathan W has a channel, and his current quest is to save a turn of the century steam engine.
It has quite a history and Jonathan wants to preserve that. Take a look and see if you could lend some knowledge.
Love seeing that planer in action. Another job well done.
Thanks for sharing.
Love the sound of that clock. "His life's second numbering" Glad to see you're back, Dave. Miss the wonder of your shop.
I love all those noises and sounds with the clock.but I think it's not the clock but his engine. you can see the sound is synchronized with it but still a wonderful heartbeat of a machine shop.
@@chuckthebull From 1:00 to a little after 2:30 the sweet sound of the clock. It really sets the tone for the whole video for me.
@@terrymcdougal9258 I agree I have mentioned his clock to dave before, I love that clock.. when it's quiet you hear it in the background..it's so cool..
robert shaw Loved that song as a kid, sung by Burl Ives.
DITTO!!!!!!!!!!
Dave has a new video. Gotta pop some corn,
and get a fresh beer!
THANKS, David!
(Oh, first-ish.)
steve
Another great video, Dave. Nice to see everything up and running. Great sounds and rhythm, too. Thanks for sharing.
That planer is beautiful, thanks for the video. Can’t wait to see the DC generator running.:)
Using a pulley tap on a pulley, incredible.
I want to run that planar so bad, so jealous of the shop you've built for yourself David, its beautiful. Just taking it easy with nothing but pride for every step in the process.
The old thing still has it, I've never heard one running so I don't know how it's supposed to sound but it does seem to growl doesn't it? Nice to see you again.
I love watching the planer work. The old Gal cleaned up well. She is really something to be proud of. Thanks for sharing.
?? Why not turn a vintage 110V AC motor at it's speed (1750 rpm motor at 1750) to get the AC output? Better yet a slower motor like 1120. Seems like to use the 20 or 30v your going to have to put in something non-fitting like LED lighting to make use of it. Once you get your 100-120v ac, just used a genset transfer switch to flip over the source of power for your existing lighting circuit. The generator your have is beautiful so I understand why your trying to find a use for it.
I'm sure it's been asked before but is dave selling t-shirts
I always have room for another black pocket t-shirt 😆
We appreciate the new video 👍👍👍👍
As always,Dave, a real treat to see how it used be done, apart from the machine there is lot of skilled input from the machinist. So glad that a few guys like yourself are dragging these old machines from scrap heap, old barn workshops from ‘back ind the day, and once again restoring them and showing us how they work. Keep up the fantastic work, and stay safe. Best from down under’ 👍👍😁🛠🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺
i wish today's machine shops sounded that way🎼🎵🎶
Awesome. I started machining in 1978. All manual's till 2007. I was trained on CNC's in 2007. I used to collect old books on belt driven machines. I am in just awe watching your video's. Thanks'.
Even during WWII, such shops were out-dated and then Roosevelt ordered all machine shops to run 24-7. The owners were not happy. My aunt was a welder during that time. She burned her arm really bad. People didn't sue their employer back then.
Love watching all the parts working, the noise...reminds me of being with my Dad. This is a great shop. Thanks for showing this and going through all the work to make it happen. God bless and stay safe.
Never get tired of watching your machine shop.Just has so much neat stuff going on and well i guess i was born 60 yrs late, lol i just love old steam machines Thanks for another great video Dave
I love that you keep something like this alive! It’s amazing to watch! Imagine turning a millennial loose on those machines?
My wife: This is boring
Me: Yes it is.
There's a fine line here and sarcasm is somewhere on it. Great video Dave
Hello Dave ! Thanks for the video. Can not wait for the next one keep up the good work.
Love seeing metal planers run! Hopefully we'll get to see it really taking off some material. Those things were made to take a serious cut if needed; I've heard stories of some crashes and those machines don't mess around
Hello Dave , I'm an old subscriber that had never commented before , but I will on this one . I think this is one of your top 5 vids . Really good camera work showing the engine running the belts to the line shafts with you working on the lathe in the background . Really gives you the feel of the shop , I love it ! Good to see you back ,was missing you for a while , like someone else said , time for some popcorn & a beer
Far and away the coolest shop on UA-cam.
After graduation from the Canadian Navy - ERA apprenticeship, the first civy-street job I had was with Hafer Tool and Fabrication company in Victoria, B.C. running a planer identical to that old girl cutting long "L" slots in overhead rails. The only machine in that shop still run by a belt drive. I had never even seen an old machine like that one but by the end of one summer was the go-to guy for the planer jobs. I used to set my lunch pail on one end of the table and take a bite of a sandwich at the end of each stroke. The guys got a kick out of that.
Perfect timing as always, Dave! Thank you for another upload!
Your lathe sounds like a barking Chihuahua! (squeak, squeak, squeak!)
Between 1967 & 1970 I worked in a sugar factory that was steam powered. The machine shop was all run off line shafts and they generated their own electric power for all the other machines in the plant. The main bearings on the generator were broken and you could watch it swing back & forth a few inches each revolution. Sadly it was all torn down and scraped a few years later. The plant now makes plastic bags.
I’m really impressed about your shop. It’s so nice work you have done. I really enjoy your videos.
Great video. Keep them coming!!!
I love your videos! I especially love when you explain things; I can never get enough of that. Remember, probably like most of your viewers, I don't have a steam powered machine shop of my own... I live vicariously through yours, and the more details you can convey, the better! No job too small to show; no explanation too simple -- more is better! :) Take care.
Well it's a sad day for me. I have officially watched ALL your videos and I'm all caught up. Guess I'll have to wait patiently now for the next one. Really love this channel. Thanks so much for sharing your shop with us, David. Much appreciated.
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Whilst you where setting the repeat on the planner retake a listen to the """Snazzy""" beat that your belts and pulleys are making in the background, 27:04 to 27:46, sounds like an African Mur Rumba beat, like they do with the drums and stick chants around a big fire... Pretty COOLZ.....
I used to like to listen to my Grandfathers laundry, I can still hear it in my head if I listen close enough to my thoughts of yesteryear,
l am a 2 days late.....l sure do like that big planer table setup you got going...Outstanding....Thanks David....It's always good to see you working my friend....!
Man I wish I lived close to you, I’ve got an atlas 10” lathe that Id love to have trued up on that planer!
It was fun seeing the planner running again. Excellent camera work too.
Thanks David.
Russ
Hello Dave, Must admit I have just found your channel, very impressed. I volunteer time, effort, my skills and the few odd £ at the Claymills Victorian Pumping Station (please see Claymills.ogr.uk) My inquiry is about the displacement lubricator spotted `in bits` upon your workbench. At present I am in the process of the Big 3R`s upon a vertical twin steam engine. This being built `In House` at Claymills around 1900 and fitted with a displacement lubricator, so any info upon their set up would be much appreciated.
David. One of your early videos. Talked about not being able to replace steam. Answer is you cannot. If a oil refinery has no steam. It will blow sky high. I worked on a unit. a Fluid Catoletic Cracking unit. Known as a FCC unit. The flue gas coming off this unit was around 1200 degrees. Add a tad of gas and it would burn and produce steam. We has steam engines running pumps. Also steam turbines. When the good old ELECTRICAL GRID WENT DOWN. We could run we had steam back up pumps. If we kept running the boiler house kept running. Over a period of time. They brought in ( so called educated bosses) replacing steam engines and turbines with electric motors. I begged one of the plant managers to not take the spare turbine out and replace it with a electric motor. Later that year we had a power outage. The total plant was down for 3 days. When we finely got steam up the plant manager came in and said start you warm up with cold oil. I was able to look him in the face and say. I told you without a steam pump we cannot run. You Sir replaced my start up pump with electrical equipment. I told you it would bite you in the ass. You are now bit.
The "Age of Steam" is not even half begun, only the ways in which the water is made into Steam is changing, so the holistic principles of water->steam->electricity really matter, and videos like this are fundamental teaching hands-on learning by doing basic "wordless" concepts.
Hey, Dave if you have worn gears, why don't you barter with Keith Rucker. He have the cutter the gears you have. Enjoyed the video. That planer does the job of a mill with a tool bit. Thanks for sharing. I'll have to see what he's up to. He's another that someone unsubscribed me to.
Hello mr Richards. Did you notice the steam engine Johnathan W is rescuing? Maybe you could give him some help. If he should need it.
Anyway always interesting to see you in the shop.
Was watching the main belt whipping. Wonder if; Like a trapeze bar; A device resting on the belt from above would help or hurt.
FYI: Miniature steam engine w/line shaft & tools
ua-cam.com/video/FlRy5tVnqF8/v-deo.html
I bet you could add a few more adapters in that reamer so you could sit at the end of the lathe in a chair....jus kidding. I'm guessing your gears on the planer are pretty outa form with 400 years of use. I can cut the bull gears deeper, and if you have fixed centers there You'd have to make oversize pinions. It's actually more proper to do it that way....not at all a cob job.
I love those old machines. I have a Hamilton 18 x 72 circa 1900 that I use all the time. It came out of a small compressor station and was rarely used. Would love to work in your shop.
Dave, how many years of collecting did it take to assemble your shop? Or did you find one in need of work somewhere! Thanks for a great insight of days gone by with your knowledge of wealth
Very entertaining and well produced. Thanks for the video.
I'm so excited to see the DC dynamo working! Would you consider building a battery bank so you can store some of the electric energy you make?
Great idea next put an inverter in for 120V AC power. Gotta keep up with the Jones's
Got any glass Edison cells?...Dave
Might be cheaper per KWh to have a big lithium pack in a box in the "new" part of the shop.
@@user2C47 A set of EV battery packs like these might do the trick: www.evwest.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=486&osCsid=at57mjlkm5jvb9snipbui80pk3
you're going to have to do something with that blasted squeak son. it 's bloody annoying , I see the lath belt is jumping . paraph's there's something on the belt a bit of swarth or something . but enjoying the program , Grate Les England
I sure wish I had someone like you to help further my life long journey power and steam engineering👍👍 great work love the content, keep it up!.
I happened to have the Closed Caption on when this started. The computer listens and thinks it's hearing an audience, laughing, and some words.
Soon Keith Rucker will have his planer working to join yours. Then there will be 2.
Gday David, I could sit there and watch the planer run all day, it was great to see it working, throughly enjoyed this and I’m really looking forward to seeing the generator working, really really enjoy your videos, thank you, take care mate, Matty
Hi Dave, just finished watching a different video and this popped up, so here I am. Keep them coming, I miss getting together with you guys, so this is the closest to it.
Hey Paul, Hows life out in the big country?....Dave
@@davidrichards5594 Hot and smoky, not much rain to help dampen the fires. We stay home quite a bit, trying to keep away from the virus, order groceries on line, then go have them loaded in the parking lot.
@@paulthompson5272 Paul you might want to check out Walmart you can order most things online and they will deliver to your door for free if the order is $35 or more.
@@jmwarden1 Thanks, we have been using Walmart for most of our needs.
Thanks for showing us!
I just joined your channel. I'm amazed at how these old machines operated. I often wonder if my great grand dad operated a similar machine when he was a machinist.
How about blacksmith power hummer? I think it wold be nice to see if it was steam driven also)
Give us some numbers related to power from steam - that is, steam pressure, flow and volts, amps and watts generated along with pounds of wood burned.
Can you go back to the east broad top now its coming back to life and show the line shaft restoration in progress?
Awesome shop. No electricity machinery.
Hi Dave--Great episode. At the very beginning you mentioned needing to shim the hangers on the lathe faceplate, and I wondered why you didn't just mill those surfaces flat?
Hi Rick, I could have, but then you have the problem of holding and lining up the base with the cast hole. The originals weren't, and I figured it to be an unnecessary extra operation.
this lets you forget all else and immerse yourself in the steam, belts, oil and chips
Where can you buy a steam engine this size? All I find are tiny models
So are you planning on running shop lights in DC or are you or are you converting the output to AC? Assuming that they are going to be second set of lights so you have regular lighting for when boiler isn’t fired up? I couldn’t figure out why you were drilling the face of the pulley until you put the long bit in and then I realized it was just a through hole! Nice work, can’t wait to see it running!
Fred, I was hoping the dynamo would put out 110V. Then I could switch the lighting circuit over to it when running the generator. Looks like this one is 32v....Dave
It seems like you should set up a dc welder generator run by a steam engine then actually do some arc welding on video.
Progress ins the shop, nice addition with powering your lighting. The planer is making nice chips.
Thanks for sharing.
Bonjour Richard,
Always happy to see your videos, your skillness becomes more and more uncommon.
I have the impression that some long drive belts are slack, how often are they adjusted and do they need to be cut or shifted pulleys?
Amicalement, Raphaël
Raphael, When a new belt is put up, it will have to be shortened and relaced a couple times until the stretch is out. After that, I hardly ever touch them at all......Dave
Die bei euch etwas erlernen möchten???? Ich hätte gerne zu meiner Lehrzeit mit den alten Maschinen gearbeitet und darauf auch gelernt, habe nur Dachdeckerei sowie Spengler und Wasser gelernt. Und lernen müssen??
LG.Herbst Johann
Do you have other projects going on on other machines or just had the belys moving for us to see?
America should have stayed running on steam not electricity
Hey Dave where you at I know where some stuff is that you might want lots of old iron
Ich muss immer wieder eure Werkstatt bewundern, die ihr mit den alten teilen in Betrieb haltet, ihr seid immer wieder bewundernswert wie alles mit Dampf betrieben wird, ihr habt das beste und den ältesten Antrieb für eure Maschinen hier aufgestellt und es funktioniert alles einwandfrei wie es zur damaligen Zeit auch in Betrieb gehalten wurde, einfach bewundernswert eure Geräte, !!!!! Nur weiter so, hoffe ihr bekommt auch jüngere Lehrlinge die solches auch erlernen möchten, Schätze es wird leider nicht allzuviele junge Menschen noch geben die bei euch ets
LG.Herbst Johann aus Österreich
Any trouble with balancing the pulley since it will be spinning?
Nice!! Amazing shop.... :-)
need to do something to shut up the noise from the drive gear on the planer sounds real bad
I do wonder how you got the shop in the first place , or got the idea to start a shop like this.
I want t meet the eight people who downvoted this video, and throw them a party to cheer them up : )
Really beautiful shot of the lathe running the boring bar at 17:44.
You were taking some pretty big chips on your planer. Quite impressive for what you were cutting. Ductile iron? The chips were not that fine like grey iron.
I thought it was some pretty good iron to make curly chips like that....Dave
Don't get me wrong, I think your DC generator is really neat. But it would be interesting to calculate the cost of generating that DC for your lights versus your utility rate? Probably a bit more using steam? BTW, you may already know this but LED and Fluorescent lamps may not work on DC. But I'll bet you wound not dare install a modern LED light in your vintage shop.
Hi Andy, I'm making steam for nothing. Costs would be about $50 /year for boiler treatment chemicals, about a pint of steam cylinder oil/year, and a half box of matches...Dave
Love your shop and videos!
Question- what propels the Planer table? is there a gear rack on the bottom of it, and a large gear(?)
I have only operated a hydraulic (Rockford)Planer.
There is a 3 element gear reduction to a rack and pinion driving the table......Dave
I have been watching some UA-cam videos from Keith Rucker, Adam Booth, you, and Windy Hill Foundry. I was just thinking. That old, worn-out pinion gear on the metal planer. You could perhaps take it to a foundry (eg. Windy Hill) and have a new rough gear cast using this one as a model, remembering that the teeth spacings would have to be plucked from the sand before casting to make a rough wheel. Then, you can use your lathe to smooth out the important parts and your miller to carve new gear teeth which would fit perfectly, getting rid of that noisy backlash.
Also, Perhaps, you can take your wooden governor pulley to a foundry and use it to cast an identical pulley which you can then use your lathe (don't forget to put the wooden pulley back in place) to smooth out and crown the pulley and use it in place of the wooden one.
Steve, The pinion has been replaced by someone along the line, it's the big gear that has the wear, It was probably fairly noisy when it was all new.....Dave
Dave, did you get a new Camera? The quality seems a LOT better...and I see that you are getting kind of artsy now....Love it!
UA-cam used to take a couple days sometimes to get it processed up to HD. Now it happens right away....Dave
Enjoyed the planer action. That is going to make a nice mini lathe bed when you are done with it. :-)
I don't know what it's going to be Brian, Maybe a piece of art....Dave
Dave, have you ever had an incident where a hand or clothing got caught up in belt/pulley? I know from my limited experience with my wood lathe that at even low RPMs there isn’t time for a human brain to react fast enough once the mistakes starts to happen! So will the belt and pulley just pass say a hand through half the rotation and throw it out without much harm or is it an automatic ride to the M D?
I'm not as worried about the belts as I am the lathe chucks, especially if the jaws are far out." Keep your hands where you can see them". (my dad).....Dave
Dave, Since there is no name plate on that dynamo I would be curious to know what the resistance measures on the commutator winding. We might be able to determine what kind of current / load that can support if it is running 24 or 32 volts.
I haven't checked that. The field is about 2 ohms. which I guess is typical of series wound generators that size....Dave
I always enjoy your videos and seeing these fantastic old machines brought back to life. It really makes me appreciate my ancestors more. I have a question about the planer. How were the tables for the first planers made to be so flat and true? It had to start somewhere, kinda like which came first, the chicken or the egg.
It's really not the table, it's the ways that have to be straight.. Dave
Great to see you back on line Dave. The planner looks great and should give you some very good service. I am looking forward to seeing the DC generator in operation. Each time I watch your videos it reminds me of my own apprenticeship back in 1947 with the overhead line shafts and belt driven machines. Carl, Woy Woy Australia.
Dave, was casting iron the only way they had to make parts in the late 1800s and early 1900s or was it just the most economical?
Hi Ed, Cast Iron work was a way of life in that time. All big machines required big castings. Wrought iron in bar shapes for most all else. Steel was much better, becoming available, but expensive. Arc welding and High Speed Steel for cutting tools was coming along slowly at that time...Dave
Well David thankyou for a very enjoyable 67 videos,5 years of your life,sharing,passing on what life has shown us is a gift,and I’m very happy you have made these videos,thankyou ,I look forward to the content of the old Mashine shop,keep safe,thanks.
the shop I worked in had a planner with a 30 by 12 foot bed..I never ran it but ran lathe just across the isle from it...that was in the early eighties...at the time it was just another job...funny but I miss those days now working for Bucyrus Erie building walking draglines in the largest machine shop west of the Mississippi...but your shop is very nostalgic and older technology by far...love to watch and hear it run...thanks
hank you David for an excellent video
Every time I see that planar running I think of the massive undertaking it took to get it to your shop and the work that you did on it to get it to where it is today, and I just can't help but think you must be quite proud!
In all seriousness it couldn't have found a better home.
It's becoming an old friend....Dave
Thanks Dave always nice to see you. If you get a chance checkout jonathan W channel ,he is recovering a bates steam engine. The thing is massive. He’s a real gentleman like you and I think you guys will hit it off. Thanks for sharing Dave . God Bless
Very cool shots of the shop and its workings
Great stuff, thanks Dave!
How do I get to the community page??
It's on this page ua-cam.com/channels/Bdj-vOveiEFWe3vnGoJUag.html Dave....