The faker was thinking about attacking Mike, but you can see the desperation on his face as he walks out when he realized he couldn’t since Mike is in Breaking Bad.
Its true that Mike's motive was selfish here, but not only is allowing a liar to stay in group a betrayal of everyone there genuinely (people making a phony story to get support out of a support group is not uncommon), but the lead not noticing it indicates that he wasnt paying attention to the guy's fake story, and neither was anyone else. They were just registering it as sad, not engaging with the human being who was talking.
Yeah, I mean it was written for the story. But I feel like the Mike character would have known to apply pressure to the leader over failing everyone else, not applying pressure to everyone else.
people is the support groups essentially don't give a shit about the others. They come there, they speak honestly about themselves, they find someone who listens to them, who does not judge or argue. And that works, that process act as a powerful therapy, people feel better, they might realise something about themselves and change. But fundamentally it's a selfish thing, you come there to relief your problems and your pain. If you're lying and inventing some story, you don't fool anyone but yourself. The fact that Mike tries to catch that guy on a lie just show that he doesn't accept that therapy, doesn't believe that it'll work. He focus on other people stories insted of thinking about his.
@@ConradKurze Not really listening it seems, or they'd have been able to tell that the guy was a fraud, since he piggybacks off of whatever vacations his coworkers come back from, or possibly even these people too. If they say a foreign location, he prolly pulls the same crap that he pulled here. The people in this particular group could get just as much support from a cat or a dog for as much genuine listening is going on from anybody but Mike.
Mike did these people a favor. This guy was making a fool out of people who went through some tough ordeals, he called him out for it, and then said to the others, if I had to put it into layman's terms: "You're so hung up on the past, you're not able to realize what's going on in the present, and it's costing you."
Ironically, Mike is also wrapped up in the past and letting it control his behaviour, he just focuses on ignoring it and throwing away his life to try fix what happened in the past. He's unable to speak at these meetings as he can't deal with his emotions openly. He calls everyone out for wallowing in misery and living in the past, rather than seeing they are trying to share their progress and get through things together. He doesn't try join in and just fixates on why the therapy won't help him, because the hold his trauma has on him makes him unable to open up and really try move on. In the end his plan to sacrifice himself to help his son's family and get revenge turned him into a massive criminal, and his corruption was ultimately for nothing. He ended up hurting the family he had left rather than provide for them. His way to deal with the pain was clearly a much worse approach than these people.
It is not a favour He did it to keep things orderly for himself. He called out someone dishonest sure, but what "favour" did he do for the members of the group? He saddled everyone there with guilt over not "caring" enough about other members, added extra stress and to people's plates who are already barely coping, as well as making sure they're now distrusting and suspicious of every new person that joins. On the other end, "justice" is That guy gets kicked out of his larping group. There was absolutely nothing altruistic about this, it was just him venting his frustration by flexing his chops and seizing a measly modicum of control because it felt more comfortable than being vulnerable, as one's expected to be in such a group. Mike definitely wouldn't want to admit it by Breaking Bad, but he has a bit of that urge that Walt does to stick his head up in spite of best interest saying not to, even if his intent is often a bit more noble.
What's it costing them though? I feel like that's not clearly presented here. Believing the sympathetic lies of another is not necessarily bad. Some lies are inconsequential, so it doesn't matter if you believe them or not. What is consequential about these lies that makes it bad to believe them?
"I will go to the public library and get the 1997 papers and run a search on Judy DeVore..." - You know perfectly well that Mike did that. Mike always come prepared.
Best answer: "It's Judy DeVoire, you insensitive pr-ck". The leave in tears and have a friend call the group leader with news of your suicide. Mike would be popular then.
Good point--he already did it! And it's not like Mike to get his facts wrong. He'd look up Judy DeVore,, DiVore, DiVoire, DeVoire, DuhVoire, Doh!Voire, etc. Careless he ain't.
He might have handled it the wrong way but Mike was nevertheless correct and a guy like that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a support group of genuine mourners who are suffering.
He had way more inconsistencies up his sleeve... the fact he knew the year 'Judy' died when the liar didn't even mention it in this session, Mike was mentally logging these details for months. He's actually been listening to everyone, unlike everyone else who were only there for themselves to wallow in their own misery/did not care to actually connect with anyone else in the group. Man Mike is such a well-written character.
@landon5583 "He did lose his husband last year" Marriage is a covenant between man, woman and God. God is clear that it is only between a man a woman,. Therefore, it is impossible for a man to marry a man.
Fact: Australia is a Cuban village and consejo popular of the municipality of Jagüey Grande, Matanzas Province. It has an estimated population of 8,850.
@@Zack29810 Should be more conscious of what you say, you were coming off as an "oh my therapy" type for a moment. Best wishes to you, remember to keep making fun of those types.
For the wrestling fans, Kevin Nash had something pretty insightful about AA and group therapy. His friend for years Scott Hall had a massive drinking problem. They put him in rehab and Hall came out saying ‘maybe I’m not that bad’ considering all the other stories
Actually the group therapy in Breaking Bad was pretty reasonable. The point then was to show how low Jesse had sunken to sell drugs to recovering addicts
Yeah like what was the point of this? It looks like Mike was right, this guy was faking his story, but why?? Why did they make a character that goes to group therapy sessions with a fake story? This guy's in his 40's or 50's easily, and doesn't seem to be getting anything out of it even if you buy Mike's take on group therapy - Which is already a super immature perspective from someone projecting their own internal problems onto other people If it's meant to be a character flaw with Mike, nobody pushes back or challenges him. Given this is the second time they've done a "group therapy but everyone there is a sucker" scene I think they genuinely have some kind of beef with the idea of group therapy... which is weird
“If I did have a tumor, I would name it Marla. Marla, the little scratch on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you would stop tonguing it, but you can't.”
I kinda feel like MIke should have said more for evidence than just one "last month it was Cuba". The obituaries thing was just a guess. Sure, we can assume Mike has picked up on other stuff, but it would have been more solid for us the viewers if he had a small laundry list instead of just "oh, so she wanted to go to both Cuba and Australia! It's clearly not possible to want two things!"
The story was how they were gonna go to Australia because she always wanted to go. Mike was saying how last month it was Cuba, implying that Autralia was never mentioned
I guess the writers didn't treat the audience like idiots (viewers of this show have seen literal hours of Mike doing extensive preparation and research in every facet of his life).
Mike is the kind of guy to never ask you a question to learn something he can find out himself. He will go research it, then he asks the question to learn your character.
Watching the little micro-aggressions slowly building, a tiny facial twitch, the jaw movements, the eyes moving to an empty space, the quickening breathing... Jonathan Banks is a fucking genius.
Anyone who is told there dead wife isnt real will either start screaming and yelling or will try and fight you. Sitting in awkward silence and storming out not crying isnt a normal reaction to righteous indignation
Even though Mike made a direct critic to everyone involved there, he shows not only attention to detail, but he was caring enough to notice. Later when Saul was traumatized about "that one incident" he gave a honest speech about forgetting and moving on, that mirrors what her daughter in law expressed about Maty
I used to attend a bible study at my church. One of the church employees had a study on a chapter. He asked me what I thought. I begged him not to ask me. He kept on pressing. I gave him an answer... it was not the "canned" answer he was expecting. I bluntly told that particular chapter didn't translate well and Martin Luther was on record on wanting to leave it out of the Bible (all modern bible translations use Luther's source material from the 16th century). We had neither the expertise nor wisdom to interpret its meaning. After the next Sunday service the Pastor expressed dismay over my attitude.
@@theamazingmeh1759 That's from a fair number of years past. I'm an old Lutheran, it's sort of hard to explain to people. The 16th Century order of worship was unchanged until the 20th Century when it was translated to English (Blame WWI). The English version of the order of worship was unchanged until the leftist took over in 1973. I'm at the point of my life where I'd drive 100 miles just to attend a traditional Lutheran service on Sunday.
Ever heard of the Dead Sea scrolls and the Septuagint? You are entitled to an opinion. But it sounds like you were an asshole about it. You could have given your opinion in form of a question. For example, in regard to this passage I am a bit concern about its translation. It is my understanding this passage didn't translate well and Martin Luther was on record, saying etc, and etc. How do I know the bible was properly translated and which bible is the oldest? Sometimes we are not wrong about our opinions, but we are wrong in the way we express them and the way we behave. You could be right, but being right doesn't give you a pass to misbehave if that is what you did.
Yet another powerhouse scene from Kerry Condon and Jonathan Banks. It's all the subtle nuances that give the viewer a slight glimpse into the immense pain that both of them are feeling, and the things left unsaid between them.
@hypnotised-clover if he had left it without going after the whole group about "their sad little stories" it probably would have been received better. Calling out someone for being full of shit isn't bad, but following it with "and you're all stupid for not noticing" makes it not great lol
People like this really exist, I sat through one last week. He wanted attention but probably needed therapy. Worst 30 years of alcoholic recovery I've ever witnessed, zero inner peace.
Such creativity. The writers of these 2 shows are unreal. Every character is perfectly developed. I was hooked on Breaking Bad in the first 10 minutes of the first episode of season one, but I was disappointed with Better Call Saul because I expected something else. My disappointment didn't last long. I couldn't stop watching it. And though Saul Goodman didn't appear until the very end, I had Jimmy and his brother and his girlfriend and his law firm and, of course, Mike and his family, and good old Gus and Tuco and Nacho. Oh, and Lalo. Can't forget Lalo.
Mike is a natural born investigator. He was picking up the not-so-subtle clues that everyone else was actively dismissing. Lies told in group therapy happens all the time...a good facilitator knows to call the liar out privately.
Missed the setup to this scene Beggining of this episode is Mike and his son enjoying a moment. Then it hard cuts to the scene where everyone looks shocked and he says "You wanted me to talk? I talked" *intro plays* The whole episode you think ges goung to talk about Matty. Really hes just pissed the memory of his boy is fading from his wife
When Stacy was talking about forgetting about Matty Mike was already in a great amount of rage. It's kinda funny tho, he was just sitting there mad and holding it wo saying a word. Also terrific acting.
When he mentioned his wife always wanted to see Novaya Zemlya he knew something was up. Last month it was Franz Josef Land, which is further North in the Barents Sea, due East of Svalbard. No-one would mix the two up.
The beginning part reminds me a lot of "One day you'll realize you haven't thought about it, that's when you know you can move on." meaning he did eventually come to see Stacey's experience as a positive thing.
I worked at groups like this for years. They naturally will attract narcissists who make up lies for attention. This is accepted. You will find narcissists at mental health meetings, Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, gambling, etc. You can spot them a mile off. However, we do not challenge these people because we do not want to cause any hostility within the group. People there are suffering, they have gone for help, they don’t need more stress put upon them by someone in the group. Narcissists are mentally ill, you accept that, they are not bad people.
There is a balance between allowing the past/losses to come into the present by talking about it, accepting it, grieving versus holding onto the past like a security blanket, refusing to leave it. The latter is just as unhelpful/unhealthy as is refusing the past, refusing to do the loss work, refusing to talk about it. That said, different people process losses in their own time. Allowing others their own experience, supporting them takes wisdom, but it also can be hard, especially when you are dealing with your own loss. But losses must be processed which means feeling the feelings, but then also moving past the pain after doing the work.
P.s. Like Mike, from a young age I could see through other's facades, see through to the truth. I learned that people don't like that, being called out on their BS, asking me to endorse their BS. Mike (the character) became a cop. I became a therapist. Insofar as the scene above, the therapist should have followed with, "Ok Mike, you have told us something about someone else, and you were very astute. Now tell us something about you with that same insight." It was a perfect therapeutic opportunity for mike and the group as a whole.
There was a great movie based in part on going to groups like this and lying. Fight Club. With Ed Nordstrom and Brad somebody or other. I think the tag line was, "Hey lets talk about fight club!" I may be mistaken.
Left out the part at the end when Mike says the reason he’s there is to sell them some meth
Fucking lmfao
Waltuh, you are nothing to me but a customer
I made you my bitch, waltuh
@@TheKieselstein
I made you my bitch!
I think you got the person wrong, but I just don't know who.
(I am joking, I know who it is, I’m just playing)
The faker was thinking about attacking Mike, but you can see the desperation on his face as he walks out when he realized he couldn’t since Mike is in Breaking Bad.
It’s just a tv show bro
@@randooz1992 lil bro doesn't understand the joke
@@randooz1992lil bro talks down to people who think about stuff reflexively, little bro is going to be working for low wages his whole life.
@ k lil bro
@@randooz1992 lil bro doesn't know how to @ people
Poor lady just wanted to go to Australia AND Cuba, may she rest in peace.
Australia and Cuba are so similar. It’s easy to mix them up. They’re both islands run by a dictator and they both have kangaroos.
the loss of CPT HOLT really hurt him :(
@@richardgrier8968 and prison islands if you consider what the us does in guantanamo
Maybe SHE'S the liar
No. It’s well-known that you cannot want to go to both. Nobody has ever been to both by choice either. It’s impossible.
Its true that Mike's motive was selfish here, but not only is allowing a liar to stay in group a betrayal of everyone there genuinely (people making a phony story to get support out of a support group is not uncommon), but the lead not noticing it indicates that he wasnt paying attention to the guy's fake story, and neither was anyone else. They were just registering it as sad, not engaging with the human being who was talking.
really it just shows that the writers wanted another epic mike moment
Yeah, I mean it was written for the story. But I feel like the Mike character would have known to apply pressure to the leader over failing everyone else, not applying pressure to everyone else.
In the end it doesn't matter at all. It changes nothing if that guy lies to them.
people is the support groups essentially don't give a shit about the others. They come there, they speak honestly about themselves, they find someone who listens to them, who does not judge or argue. And that works, that process act as a powerful therapy, people feel better, they might realise something about themselves and change. But fundamentally it's a selfish thing, you come there to relief your problems and your pain. If you're lying and inventing some story, you don't fool anyone but yourself.
The fact that Mike tries to catch that guy on a lie just show that he doesn't accept that therapy, doesn't believe that it'll work. He focus on other people stories insted of thinking about his.
@@ConradKurze Not really listening it seems, or they'd have been able to tell that the guy was a fraud, since he piggybacks off of whatever vacations his coworkers come back from, or possibly even these people too. If they say a foreign location, he prolly pulls the same crap that he pulled here.
The people in this particular group could get just as much support from a cat or a dog for as much genuine listening is going on from anybody but Mike.
Mike did these people a favor. This guy was making a fool out of people who went through some tough ordeals, he called him out for it, and then said to the others, if I had to put it into layman's terms:
"You're so hung up on the past, you're not able to realize what's going on in the present, and it's costing you."
Remembering the past is perfectly fine, but if you stick to it, you'll never grow in the future
Ironically, Mike is also wrapped up in the past and letting it control his behaviour, he just focuses on ignoring it and throwing away his life to try fix what happened in the past. He's unable to speak at these meetings as he can't deal with his emotions openly. He calls everyone out for wallowing in misery and living in the past, rather than seeing they are trying to share their progress and get through things together. He doesn't try join in and just fixates on why the therapy won't help him, because the hold his trauma has on him makes him unable to open up and really try move on. In the end his plan to sacrifice himself to help his son's family and get revenge turned him into a massive criminal, and his corruption was ultimately for nothing. He ended up hurting the family he had left rather than provide for them. His way to deal with the pain was clearly a much worse approach than these people.
It is not a favour He did it to keep things orderly for himself. He called out someone dishonest sure, but what "favour" did he do for the members of the group? He saddled everyone there with guilt over not "caring" enough about other members, added extra stress and to people's plates who are already barely coping, as well as making sure they're now distrusting and suspicious of every new person that joins. On the other end, "justice" is That guy gets kicked out of his larping group. There was absolutely nothing altruistic about this, it was just him venting his frustration by flexing his chops and seizing a measly modicum of control because it felt more comfortable than being vulnerable, as one's expected to be in such a group.
Mike definitely wouldn't want to admit it by Breaking Bad, but he has a bit of that urge that Walt does to stick his head up in spite of best interest saying not to, even if his intent is often a bit more noble.
He didn't do anyone any favors. Being made a fool of doesn't matter unless you know it happened.
What's it costing them though? I feel like that's not clearly presented here. Believing the sympathetic lies of another is not necessarily bad. Some lies are inconsequential, so it doesn't matter if you believe them or not. What is consequential about these lies that makes it bad to believe them?
"I will go to the public library and get the 1997 papers and run a search on Judy DeVore..." - You know perfectly well that Mike did that. Mike always come prepared.
Best answer: "It's Judy DeVoire, you insensitive pr-ck". The leave in tears and have a friend call the group leader with news of your suicide. Mike would be popular then.
Good point--he already did it!
And it's not like Mike to get his facts wrong. He'd look up Judy DeVore,, DiVore, DiVoire, DeVoire, DuhVoire, Doh!Voire, etc. Careless he ain't.
Poker is a deadly game...
no half measures.
Imagine being told your dead wife never existed because she wanted to go to both Australia and Cuba
He also told a story about taking her to a night game at Wrigley Field before they had lights. Never doubt Ehrmantraut.
In the context of the scene he is already clearly worked up by this guy implying he has noticed a pattern of lies and this was just the last straw.
Imagine being told your dead wife never existed because she wanted to go to both Australia and Cuba
In reality, she wanted to go to...Belize.
@@tomwhite3271 Imagine having no proof your dead wife ever existed.
Mike looked so old in this scene. Like the old man in a group. His demeanor changed to the tough old guy when he spoke out about the faker.
Great acting in this scene, before he speaks you can see in the body language how agitated he is getting while staring at the guy.
Almost like it was real!
@@carpballet AI could easily duplicate this and you'd say the same
@ Because if AI DID duplicate it, it would really be almost like it was real. Lol
@@carpballet point is, you and most people have reality & fantasy backwards, and can easily be fooled because you're amazed by low quality content.
Pretty sure he was also getting agitated because his daughter in law was talking about how she is slowly forgetting about his son
Mike's bullshit detector is highly developed.
Never bullshit a bullshitter
@@othervids3726? How is Mike a bullshitter
@@thechosenjuan8776 pretending to be an upstanding person while being a serial killer
@@maggoteater2290 So... most Serial Killers than?
@@andytheshark what ?
Like the part where Mike looked at him closely and said "Wait a minute...This is the Bad Place."
I think he realized his real name was Kevin and he is married to Raymond Holt.
I was looking for this 😂
EVEN MIKE FIGURED IT OUT ?!
Mike woulda ended fight club before it started.
Underrated comment!
And he never would have even talked about it.
"You're right Mike. My husband wasn't named Judy I'm sorry for lying to you"
"Oh fuck."
Seems like Mike's been sniffing this guy out for months. There was no escape
hilarious
“His name Was Raymond holt.”
Bravo, Vince!!!!
We’re not going to talk about Judy
When Mike yelled, "This guy's a great big PHONEY!" I almost cried.
Big fat PHONEY
I can’t NOT read this in the voice
A BIG FAT PHONY!
@@GoldBrady HEY EVERYBODY
When Mike said "Liar liar, plants for hire!!" I (S)creamed.
Bravo Vince
He might have handled it the wrong way but Mike was nevertheless correct and a guy like that shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a support group of genuine mourners who are suffering.
Those rooms are so easy to manipulate though.. you'd be surprised how flippant these people part with their money
He was telling the truth, his wife was in breaking bad.
@@dancegod1691what?
Then Mike stood up and said, “No more…[puts on sunglasses]…half measures.” And the group clapped as he walked out of the room.
Eeeeeeoooow!
"I take offense to that, Mike. She wanted to go both Cuba AND Australia."
"...and on the same weekend, too!"
Bro I'm seeing you everywhere lmao
@ lol
He had way more inconsistencies up his sleeve... the fact he knew the year 'Judy' died when the liar didn't even mention it in this session, Mike was mentally logging these details for months. He's actually been listening to everyone, unlike everyone else who were only there for themselves to wallow in their own misery/did not care to actually connect with anyone else in the group. Man Mike is such a well-written character.
@@MissusAnon Yep. Like when the guy lied about going to a night game in Wrigley, before Wrigley had lights.
Mike scoped out their stories months ago
Whenever I see a share circle with a Breaking Bad character in it I know some shit is gonna go down
YOU KNOW WHY I’M HERE? TO SELL YOU ALL METH
Mike is a true savage here
he warned them.
He was the only one truly listening.
Can't believe Captain Holt's husband was caught lying.
Mike caught him because he knew captain holt.
He did lose his husband last year 😢
He's also a devil in the Good Place, so it shouldn't be a surprise.
@@brianfarley4814 the good place is what happened when jake didn't protect kevin in the safehouse, he died and became a corporate devil
@landon5583
"He did lose his husband last year"
Marriage is a covenant between man, woman and God. God is clear that it is only between a man a woman,. Therefore, it is impossible for a man to marry a man.
Fact: Australia is a Cuban village and consejo popular of the municipality of Jagüey Grande, Matanzas Province. It has an estimated population of 8,850.
that’s actually fascinating, but he did specify sydney so it doesnt go with the joke of mike being wrong
@@obscure.reference I noticed that 😅 Maybe Sydney is a friend of the wife living in Australia, Cuba.
Sydney is the caffe in Australia.
If you look really closely you can see that the character stormed off because mike realized he was lying. Great subtle detail by the director
This is why I always check the comments in between rewatches of a show. I never would have picked up on that.
Wait!!!… what??? I always thought that he left the premises to answer a phone call😮
Are you sure? I've watched it 3 times, and I can't find that bit
Nailed it. These clips on YT are always filled with the dumbest base level observations. People are so damn dumb.
@@unadventurer_ Nailed it.
poor Mike didn’t even wanna be there. never force therapy onto someone.
Wasn't he just there for his daughter in law?
"therapy is the ultimate force that cures everything and can never be criticized"
"never force therapy onto someone"
Pick one.
@@HYDEinallcaps I never said that first quote. I don't like therapy.
@@Zack29810 as someone who has had several counsellors, I agree
@@Zack29810 Should be more conscious of what you say, you were coming off as an "oh my therapy" type for a moment.
Best wishes to you, remember to keep making fun of those types.
I think the makers of BB and BCS have something against group therapy 😭😭😭😭
For the wrestling fans, Kevin Nash had something pretty insightful about AA and group therapy. His friend for years Scott Hall had a massive drinking problem. They put him in rehab and Hall came out saying ‘maybe I’m not that bad’ considering all the other stories
Actually the group therapy in Breaking Bad was pretty reasonable. The point then was to show how low Jesse had sunken to sell drugs to recovering addicts
Complete opposite of the Sopranos, where group therapy was actually correct.
Freaking ghosts
Yeah like what was the point of this? It looks like Mike was right, this guy was faking his story, but why??
Why did they make a character that goes to group therapy sessions with a fake story? This guy's in his 40's or 50's easily, and doesn't seem to be getting anything out of it even if you buy Mike's take on group therapy - Which is already a super immature perspective from someone projecting their own internal problems onto other people
If it's meant to be a character flaw with Mike, nobody pushes back or challenges him. Given this is the second time they've done a "group therapy but everyone there is a sucker" scene I think they genuinely have some kind of beef with the idea of group therapy... which is weird
In BB, I thought they were most disrespectful to the Talking Pillow.
“If I did have a tumor, I would name it Marla. Marla, the little scratch on the roof of your mouth that would heal if only you would stop tonguing it, but you can't.”
What!!!!????
@ If you know, you know.
Saul: “If I ever get anal polyps, I’ll know what to name them!”
You talking about my ex? Eerily accurate.
@@dashx1103 I think I understand your comment about the tumor on the roof of your mouth.
It took a bit.
"I found you! Faker!"
"Faker? Ha! You're not even good enough to be my fake!"
"Faker? I think you're the fake griever around here."
"I'll make you eat those words!"
Brilliant
Faker, what was that!!!
"too caught up in their own stuff" sounds like my work experience: Notice nothing; then are the first to judge;
I kinda feel like MIke should have said more for evidence than just one "last month it was Cuba". The obituaries thing was just a guess. Sure, we can assume Mike has picked up on other stuff, but it would have been more solid for us the viewers if he had a small laundry list instead of just "oh, so she wanted to go to both Cuba and Australia! It's clearly not possible to want two things!"
The story was how they were gonna go to Australia because she always wanted to go. Mike was saying how last month it was Cuba, implying that Autralia was never mentioned
There was more. Just not in this scene
The point is we as the audience know Mike's judgement is good already.
I guess the writers didn't treat the audience like idiots (viewers of this show have seen literal hours of Mike doing extensive preparation and research in every facet of his life).
Mike is the kind of guy to never ask you a question to learn something he can find out himself. He will go research it, then he asks the question to learn your character.
That clock ticking in the background is just the right touch, adding to the tension and awkwardness of the situation. Amazing scene.
"You got one part of that wrong Mike. This... is not Australia"
*throws map of Cuba on the floor in slow mo*
Good cop training, or any people training, you learn to look for the obvious.
In the real world, police officers become very good at detecting when people are lying. The difficulty is determining who is lying the least.
Mike wouldn't fall for the good place, this guys obviously a demon
Watching the little micro-aggressions slowly building, a tiny facial twitch, the jaw movements, the eyes moving to an empty space, the quickening breathing... Jonathan Banks is a fucking genius.
'micro aggressions' wtf u talking about
Anyone who is told there dead wife isnt real will either start screaming and yelling or will try and fight you. Sitting in awkward silence and storming out not crying isnt a normal reaction to righteous indignation
Sean's just glad that Mike didn't figure out they're already in the Bad Place.
He went to go join Trevor in the bathroom because he, too, likes the smells.
That guy wanted to be in Fight Club and Mike reminded him he was in Better Call Saul.
Kevin costner wouldn't be able to fool Mike.
He's not Kevin Costner!
He meant kevin cozner, that is the character Henrys actor plays in Brooklyn 99
Even though Mike made a direct critic to everyone involved there, he shows not only attention to detail, but he was caring enough to notice.
Later when Saul was traumatized about "that one incident" he gave a honest speech about forgetting and moving on, that mirrors what her daughter in law expressed about Maty
And then Saul payed it forward to Kim!
love how characters constantly pick things up from each other in those shows
"He wanted me to talk...I talked..."
I guess it's better than being the "One who knocks..."
Shaun from the Bad Place needed to go there to get his fix of extra human misery after they changed how souls were judged.
Brilliant!!!
Mike really fingered that guy out of the bunch
Kid named Finger really fingered that kid out of the bunch
Mikes breathing keeps getting faster and faster
This is exactly how I felt about hospice therapy, It didn't help, it fed on the misery.
Therapy always feeds on the misery. After I stopped therapy, my life improved significantly
never saw this scene ty. guy did such a good job in this character turned out great
It is from the serie better call Saul, which happen before breaking bad (but was released after).
3:32 Anytime I browse a subreddit related to my problems, I have this playing in my head
God this scene was so cold i love it
She wanted to go to Cuba BUT Mike knew Americans cannot travel to Cuba because of the embargo 👍🏼
We need a spin-off show of Mike living his best life in Belize
There goes fight club 😔
I love Mike!! He's the best!
He will always be Kevin, Captain Holt's husband to me LOL
cant believe johnathan banks was the therapy session faker
You wanted me to talk.
I talked.
I can't believe Mike Ross is the Breaking Bad Butcher
2:44 Tamara Tunie. Her best quote she will always be remembered for "Hell, he can smell us." The Devil's Advocate.
Anyone notice at 1:06 his blood vessel under his eye moves after the faker says "I have"
Great spot
Of course he was lying. Raymond Holt would never have wanted to visit Australia. It is too far away from the 99.
I needed this
One of the best scenes.
He gonna start a Fight Club now.
Mike is a hell of an investigator.
It was a TOWN Mike…Cuba, Australia!
I used to attend a bible study at my church. One of the church employees had a study on a chapter. He asked me what I thought. I begged him not to ask me. He kept on pressing. I gave him an answer... it was not the "canned" answer he was expecting. I bluntly told that particular chapter didn't translate well and Martin Luther was on record on wanting to leave it out of the Bible (all modern bible translations use Luther's source material from the 16th century). We had neither the expertise nor wisdom to interpret its meaning. After the next Sunday service the Pastor expressed dismay over my attitude.
Sorry that happened :(
There are translations that use the Vulgate and the LXX that don't use the Masoretic text that Luther used.
@@theamazingmeh1759 That's from a fair number of years past. I'm an old Lutheran, it's sort of hard to explain to people. The 16th Century order of worship was unchanged until the 20th Century when it was translated to English (Blame WWI). The English version of the order of worship was unchanged until the leftist took over in 1973. I'm at the point of my life where I'd drive 100 miles just to attend a traditional Lutheran service on Sunday.
Ever heard of the Dead Sea scrolls and the Septuagint? You are entitled to an opinion. But it sounds like you were an asshole about it. You could have given your opinion in form of a question. For example, in regard to this passage I am a bit concern about its translation. It is my understanding this passage didn't translate well and Martin Luther was on record, saying etc, and etc. How do I know the bible was properly translated and which bible is the oldest? Sometimes we are not wrong about our opinions, but we are wrong in the way we express them and the way we behave. You could be right, but being right doesn't give you a pass to misbehave if that is what you did.
Your pastor is a Pharisee.
Mike figured it out? Mike??? This is a new low. Yeah, this one hurts.
Thank god - I was looking everywhere for this scene
"You dont seem to understand. This group therapy isnt yours to conquer"
This scene was cathartic, I've known a few people throughout my life who have told lies similar to this
met the actor who plays the liar. he is really nice. Social butterfly type guy he looks exactly like he does on TV lol
Yet another powerhouse scene from Kerry Condon and Jonathan Banks. It's all the subtle nuances that give the viewer a slight glimpse into the immense pain that both of them are feeling, and the things left unsaid between them.
He could have just said, "what happened to Cuba?" And interrogated hin into a corner. That way he'd look like a hero instead of an asshole.
You think Mike is the bad guy here? Interesting.
@hypnotised-clover if he had left it without going after the whole group about "their sad little stories" it probably would have been received better. Calling out someone for being full of shit isn't bad, but following it with "and you're all stupid for not noticing" makes it not great lol
@@thomasbyrne4116 His point is "stop feeding off eachother with your negativity, it makes you oblivious to reality".
Mike didnt want to he seen, heard or understood. He wanted revenge for his son. Even when he got it he still wanted it
The clock ticking in the background….man, Vince Gilligan is a god damn genius.
1:44 you can see Mike’s disbelief suddenly become too much to keep inside.
People like this really exist, I sat through one last week. He wanted attention but probably needed therapy. Worst 30 years of alcoholic recovery I've ever witnessed, zero inner peace.
the clock in the back is just such a cherry on top for this scene
Such creativity. The writers of these 2 shows are unreal. Every character is perfectly developed. I was hooked on Breaking Bad in the first 10 minutes of the first episode of season one, but I was disappointed with Better Call Saul because I expected something else. My disappointment didn't last long. I couldn't stop watching it. And though Saul Goodman didn't appear until the very end, I had Jimmy and his brother and his girlfriend and his law firm and, of course, Mike and his family, and good old Gus and Tuco and Nacho. Oh, and Lalo. Can't forget Lalo.
Mike is a natural born investigator.
He was picking up the not-so-subtle clues that everyone else was actively dismissing.
Lies told in group therapy happens all the time...a good facilitator knows to call the liar out privately.
The guy walked out, created an imaginary friend and started underground boxing clubs
And then Mike showed up.
Imagine if he did have a dead wife.
Thanks for posting this.
For some reason, UA-cam Purged this scene from all channels.
Mike immediately giving him the stinkeye as soon as he starts speaking.
The cinematography reminds me of Fight Club’s support group scenes
Missed the setup to this scene
Beggining of this episode is Mike and his son enjoying a moment. Then it hard cuts to the scene where everyone looks shocked and he says "You wanted me to talk? I talked" *intro plays*
The whole episode you think ges goung to talk about Matty. Really hes just pissed the memory of his boy is fading from his wife
"feeding off of each other's misery"
When Stacy was talking about forgetting about Matty Mike was already in a great amount of rage. It's kinda funny tho, he was just sitting there mad and holding it wo saying a word. Also terrific acting.
When he mentioned his wife always wanted to see Novaya Zemlya he knew something was up. Last month it was Franz Josef Land, which is further North in the Barents Sea, due East of Svalbard. No-one would mix the two up.
and that ladies and germs, is why i will never go to therapy
This is the moment Mike Ehrmantraut became Marla Singer
Bravo for Mike calling out the guy from the Bad Place with his fake human story.
This guy was on the Good Place so it makes this scene bizarre
The beginning part reminds me a lot of "One day you'll realize you haven't thought about it, that's when you know you can move on." meaning he did eventually come to see Stacey's experience as a positive thing.
Cant stop noticing the patterns and signs
Super cop never takes a break.
Mike: "You people think you know misery, huh? Well, let me tell you something about misery."
I worked at groups like this for years. They naturally will attract narcissists who make up lies for attention. This is accepted. You will find narcissists at mental health meetings, Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, gambling, etc. You can spot them a mile off. However, we do not challenge these people because we do not want to cause any hostility within the group. People there are suffering, they have gone for help, they don’t need more stress put upon them by someone in the group. Narcissists are mentally ill, you accept that, they are not bad people.
There is a balance between allowing the past/losses to come into the present by talking about it, accepting it, grieving versus holding onto the past like a security blanket, refusing to leave it. The latter is just as unhelpful/unhealthy as is refusing the past, refusing to do the loss work, refusing to talk about it. That said, different people process losses in their own time. Allowing others their own experience, supporting them takes wisdom, but it also can be hard, especially when you are dealing with your own loss. But losses must be processed which means feeling the feelings, but then also moving past the pain after doing the work.
P.s. Like Mike, from a young age I could see through other's facades, see through to the truth. I learned that people don't like that, being called out on their BS, asking me to endorse their BS. Mike (the character) became a cop. I became a therapist.
Insofar as the scene above, the therapist should have followed with, "Ok Mike, you have told us something about someone else, and you were very astute. Now tell us something about you with that same insight." It was a perfect therapeutic opportunity for mike and the group as a whole.
There was a great movie based in part on going to groups like this and lying. Fight Club. With Ed Nordstrom and Brad somebody or other. I think the tag line was, "Hey lets talk about fight club!" I may be mistaken.