I’m happy for the death guard players not just being stuck with blanket points cuts that do nothing but enable some meme lists that’s just expected to help them cope until the codex drop.
I would have much preferred a larger increase in durability over reduction in cost. They really watered down DG from a thematic perspective. They simply aren't a tough elite force anymore, and I care more about that than any competitive meta.
Typhus eater plague is really good for damage and board control because even though it activates during the shooting phase, it's not a shooting attack so it doesn't go by the normal rules, for example you can advance and shoot with it, falling back from combat, hell you can shoot someone else even if typhus is in combat with a different opponent
I was spamming the character units because that's where all the fun rules were before. Now they are all way cheaper so you can actually run big blocks of marines to support them and still keep the elite units. I'm excited to try stuff out for my army so I think that's a win.
May I just point out, the skullsquirm blight for -1 BS/WS doesn’t count as a modifier. So the cloud of flies strat for stealth, Typhus’ -1 to hit in melee and the nurglings -1 to hit in melee when within 6” stacks to become a functional -2 to hit!
Did they actually make it possible to run plague marines as a unit of 7? Might have to actually build DG now cause them being sold as 7 but not ran as 7 was a big thing keeping me from doing so
Sweet pulled the trigger on Death guard a month and a half ago for my first army. Looks like by time I get an army on the table they might be pretty good.
They'll definitely be better than the start of 10th, but will still be down towards the bottom of the win rates for factions overall. Although what a win rate in a compettive setting is, doesnt have that much of an impact on your local meta tbh. As most people dont run super cheesy lists like they do in competitive scenes
As much as I am happy about the change breathing a small miasma of unlife into my favourite boys. I still am a little too bitter to touch them again, GW still hasn't any idea what the faction is about. Each edition is less durability, more killy. At this rate its looking like Slaanesh will be the FNP faction among chaos, nurgle will become some shock assault faction that sprints up the board
@ethanklee9041 death guard were never shock assault specialist during the great crusade, if so far every legion were shock assault specialists due to the nature of astartes combat doctrine, they were durable trench fighters who used small burst of speed to cross areas of concentrated fire. They were zone mortalis specialists able to survive radiation and toxic environments that other astartes couldn't. To the death guard the durability of the astartes was what set them apart and its why they fought primarily with infantry.
Lord of Contagion, with the Deadly Pathogen enhancement, plopped into a squad of Deathshroud, is still one of the deadliest combos for the army in my opinion, and now that theyre cheaper theyre just that much more efficient
The plagueburst crawler are insane now but I'm playing a full infantry list with 30 plague marines, 20 Blightlords and 6 Deathshroid. Not good but very fun
Im conpletely new to 40k and my favorite army is Death Guard. Im currently working on building and painting and hearing theyve been buffed makes my heart Smile 😁
@@Whoknows21356we had it in 9th but plague weapons where reroll 1s to wound which synergies with the contagion, now youve got lethal hits that doesnt work with toughness debuffs
It had no points updates, so basically it is always better to take another Drone or Hauler for its points as the furnace has almost no damage output and its buffs are pretty weak for 115 pts, it also has no rule that buffs its contagion range like in previous edition. It needs a HUGE points cut to become playable, something like from 115 to 70 pts, otherwise it is outclassed by fast DG demon engine vehicles.
I've got somewhere near 3500 points of Death Guard and, while I'm happy they'll at least feel playable now, they still don't have much soul. They certainly don't feel like elite space marines that have been corrupted. We either have to soup in daemons or knights, or run a heavy daemon engine list. Not addressing the extremely slow movement with lack of an invuln save or FNP on our ONLY battle line unit (plague marines) is just.... uggghhhh. I never bought DG to play a horde army, but if I want to use my marines and blightlords, that's nearly the only way to play them. They don't live long enough to crawl across the board and, if I want to deliver them (and my contagion range) to the enemy in turn 1 or 2, I'm forced to throw points into rhinos or land raiders. It just doesn't feel right. Even still.... I'll take it for now and hope the codex will address some of the ongoing issues.
I get what you mean. As a Marines player, points cuts always felt like a mediocre way at best to solve overcosted units, barring extreme cases, of course. We signed up to play elite armies, not hordes.
Also, glad to inform that I held a unit of carnifexes led by old one eye for 2 turns with a unit of nurglings and some cultists that were close enough to stink them.
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 These rules are nice but death guard aren't anywhere near broken, their stat sheets are still not great, we just get more of them.
Man, I initially had issues with DG not regaining their durability from older editions, but if these changes genuinely help them then I can live with it. It'll be great to actually be able to play my DG and have a chance of winning now!
Same, even though they aren’t as tanky as I think a lot of people would like, I think GW actually did manage to make them playable. And besides, spreading disease everywhere to weak the enemy is perfectly in line with the Death Guard.
@@joshtompkins1538 Yeah, at least that's something. Still, hopefully the durability thing comes back with the codex, as it would be odd to just lose it altogether when the Death Guard were so resilient even _before_ they fell to Nurgle's service.
Played a game this past weekend with DG Terminator list (my favorite way to play them). Ran 25 BL and 9 DS termes 2 Plague Crawlers and 2 Hellbrutes. Played against and heavy shooting marine list. Honestly was cool the amount of meaty stuff that I got to put on the table. However with some terrible saves I found myself way down on the points trade until I was able to get into melee. After that things evened out a bunch but I had taken such a beating early that I wasn’t able to recover. Still a great game just mobility issues and some general bad decisions on my part. I don’t think they are bad at all with the changes, ran the -1 ws/bs just gotta find a better way of getting them into effective range of plagues asap. Might consider playing a bunch of plague marines some bully squads and some shooting might make a big difference.
So, GW won't admit that overall DG design in 10th is bad, instead they try to balance with points updates... Who cares that DG is horde army now? It works! Who cares that factions feel the same? They keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
I think DG just needs a new miniature. No one will even care if that miniature would be trash. Like Furnace was trash when released and LoV was trash when released (though now he isn't), no one cared as those models made army different. SM get a new model every month, why can't we get a new model at least every year?
Now i just need to splve the issue of hiding my Helbrute better. Tried a game against Marines first time after Dataslate, and he got shot off the board turn 1. And he wasnt even the Oath Target... Game also only went to turn 2, but i still won
Think people are sleeping on the banner in a blob of plague Marines. A 12" bubble of -1 T and possibly -1 SV is going to give a lot more punch for the rest of the army
Good point. You can drop him out of a rhino turn 1 after moving it 12" so that could even dip into your opponents deployment zone turn 1 if they deployed on the line
I play jester day vs death gard with space Mariens. They don't feel realy tanky at all and morarion fights 3 rounds VS 5 terminators and don't realy kill them
Reducing the weapon skill instead of the hit roll is huge. I haven’t seen anything else in 10th edition that does that yet. Combined with Typhus who reduces the hit roll in melee, he can make even Custodes hit on 4s in melee.
@@chronosmalkeri4157 Re-read his comment. The ability reduces the WS/BS on a unit’s datasheet, not their hit-roll. Combined with a rule that does affect the hit-roll, like Typhus, you do get to reduce the hits by 2 (3s go to 5s, 4s go to 6s, etc.)
Troops need to be stables for armies. They need to be cheap bodies with strong rules but not just spam worthy. It's sad to see most armies skipping troops.
I'm glad my list is far more affordable points wise. My OG army was DG and I have a metric amount of Nurgle. I'm glad there aren't really character support limits in 10th because my list was a nightmare. GW gave DG special detachment rules because we have so many minor characters. Very hype that my 3,000 points painted is 2,500 points rn.
I must admit I don't like their -WS contagion. I'm new to the game but I'm not a fan of anything that can't be mitigated by good play. Avoiding the BS debuff seems like a reasonable tactical challenge, but melee units just HAVE to suck up that they hit less across an ENTIRE army.
Technically you can mitigate it by +1 hit to compensate, but if opponent really want it and has the ability, he can give you -1 to hit to so ultimately debuff will persist. Also some abilities like Trajann one can ignore any attempts to modify your characteristics, directly countering this contagion.
Great video but you missed the one major change, the contagion for -1 WS/BS stacks with -1 to hit stratagem, making drones or mortarion very very hard to kill aaannnnddd giving the enemy a BS debuff. Aaaannnd you can’t make the -1 to hit strat cost more so they can do it every turn
Volume of fire seems like the way to go... You want to make sure you score a hit to apply the contagion debuff. Maybe heavy plague bolter and a fist with either the bolter or flamer depending on range and whether you're starting from reserves or not.
My take on the helbrute is to pick the lascannon to get some anti tank damage and the fist with the combi bolter, because you wont always want to put the target you are putting the damage into contagion, so you combi bolter the target and lascannon the vehicle or whatever, also having s12 melee makes him able to punch every tank to death
I wanna try out a Plasma Cannon and Missile Helbrute. Probably not great. But they’re both Blast and will get a small buff to hit from a Lord of Virulence.
There’s no chance I’m getting my new Tyranids units assembled and painted by this weekend, so I plan on playing my Death Guard army instead now with the points reductions and new detachment rules. My DG army lists dropped by over 200 points! I’ve been working on the DG list that I plan on using this weekend; I’ve added a third Bloat Drone and a Lord of Contagion to lead 3 Deathshroud Terminators. I wanted to give Lord-Contagion the Deadly Pathogen enhancement, but I had to choose between taking a Biologus Putrifier or giving Tallyman Shamblerot and LC Deadly Pathogen; the latter wastes 10 points whereas the former is 2000 points exactly. The Putrifier’s 5+ Lethal Hits and free Grenade Stratagem should be better than paying for those enhancements, especially since Deadly Pathogen incentivises the Lord Contagion to camp an Objective Marker rather than leading the Deathshrouds to go after high value enemy units. I’m looking forward to using all 3 of my Bloat Drones (finally). The only problem is that all 3 are built with Fleshmowers, whereas the dual Plaguespitters are recommended. Since I’ll be playing my friends in casual matchs, I’ll just say one or two of them have Plaguespitters; I want to test how effective those ranged plague weapons are. Although I am already taking to 2 Plagueburst Crawlers and 5 Blightlords, so I might have more than enough firepower already.
Plenty of Daemon Allies also got cheaper, which is huge for DG. Extra Deepstrike never hurt anyone when you're a slow army. Nurglings are now 35 (down from 40), and 2-3 MSU squads pretty much quarantee you will be scoring decently from secondaries. Plaguebeares down to 125 (from 145). Fairly tough OC 2 bodies with an INV, combo super well with terminator heavy lists, if you don't want to run plague marines or poxwalkers as objective sitters. Their melee when combined with the Sv. reduction aura is not half bad. Beasts of Nurgle down to 70 (from 75). Excellent "distraction carnifexes" on the cheap, require straight up anti-tank guns to bring down efficiently, great for tying up shooty bricks of enemies with bad melee (Necron Warriors for example). Soulgrinders down to 200 from 215. Extremly tough can-openers, grind down enemy vehicles in melee with ease (average dmg just about one-rounds a Leman Russ BT). Really enjoy the reduced enemy save charasteristic DG can pump out. Great Unclean One down to 250 (from 280). He's... not actually all that amazing when souped in with DG, sadly. Mediocre shooting, kinda awkward melee profile (not good against vehicles, monsters, or elite infantry). His biggest gimmick is the rule that reduces enemy T, which stacks with DG's toughness penalty aura.
So can world eaters get a reroll to hit and wound for each unit like eldar thats useful every round not just first turn of melee; is that maybe why eldar are still broken, its only about 100CPs worth of free rerolls each game
Does anybody else realize that a major "points drop" across most armies is simply a way for GW to "sell more models" or do people actually believe that this is just about "game balance"?
I'm glad dg got buffed and revised and your point of view is very insightful... though it's a big flavour fail on your part to talk about six units, should've put a senventh one just for the joy of grandpa nurgle
For a month maybe, and then they get kicked down the ladder for another faction to be COMPLETELY OP and unbalanced. Hence why I do not, cannot, consider 40K seriously as a competitive game in anyway. Let alone invest or keep up with the codexes, etc.
I think it’s stupid for this crap to happen. Make every list equally viable by cutting out the the silly little special rules and tricks. “Death Guard Just Got Good?” “No, GW is just playing it’s tired old game of Buy To Win.” Sorry all, I got back into 40K with this edition and this still rubs me the wrong way. I guess I’ll go back to playing generic games. Good day to you all.
From lore DG is not realy an elite army. They escaped the post heresy pretty mutch in tact as a legion so i think it's not that big of a deal they get that cheap
One of the most hateful combos for this faction now is souping in nurglings. The contagion for -1 to BS/WS and -1 to hit from nurglings will make people tear their hair out
with the new rules for contagion, i'm asking myself if the Icon Bearer could finally have some real good value (we can even push the effect by adding a +3 aura with the enhancement)
Whats better for their points, 5 stinky boys at 80 or 4 drony boys at 70? Still salty at GW for not changing Tactical Drone points costs in the dataslate.
Hear me out; Death Guard being slightly horde-y is not as bad an idea as it seems at first. They are perhaps the most numerous group of Space Marines in the lore. They have actually *increased* in size compared to the Heresy. They are rotting and falling apart. And since durability is directly related to cost, zombie space marines are fairly tough for the points. For having corroded armor and soft bodies, T4 2W's is pretty high. And if you think about zombies and germs, they should be numerous. I think it's a good direction.
@@MrFelblood my slow-ass have not buildt a rhino yet, so I have had 15 Marines footslog their way down central lane under constant fire. This was during 9th tho. Haven't gotten around to a DG 10th game yet sadly.
@@draeb2797 Reboute is less of a force multiplier than he was before the changes. Just like the captains his free strat a phase ability is much less powerful. OoM is still only one OoM until you get the kill.
I dont really think so, ive played some games after the buff and ive still got shit on by melee armies, even with the -1ws and even striking first with my pm units, the thing is that for an army that moves 4" to put units in contagion is really hard, maybe when i try the morty + every vehicle i tell you otherwise
Oh yeah, now that the points have dropped and there is an additional ability on the contagion, it will be super easy to get elves within 3" on the first round. I'm not surprised to see schill bots in the comments, but Auspex, very disappoint; how much is GW paying you?
I had my first game with my Dg last night since 10th started. I could compete. Didn’t wreck face, just competed. That’s all I wanted
Helbrutes synergizing with a faction's army rule is a pretty cool trend
Psychic dread for thousand sons anyone?
I can see hellbrutes being real popular with deathguard
In gerneral I feel like gw is doing a better and better job with designing synergetic abilities that are also flavourful.
i just wish they weren't old and ugly tiny little kits. Time for the new true scale dreads with same abilty
Friend would love to run a psychicdreadnought especially with the orison one from fw
I’m happy for the death guard players not just being stuck with blanket points cuts that do nothing but enable some meme lists that’s just expected to help them cope until the codex drop.
AdMech or Votann player?
Could be Sisters, maybe...
@@emperormajorian112 GW has trouble creating rules around tech based factions it seems
necrons are doing fine i think theyre around 48-50% winrate before the change@@Akimbo411
@@Akimbo411 imperiums reliance on old tech seems to have bled over to GW rules creatikn
I would have much preferred a larger increase in durability over reduction in cost. They really watered down DG from a thematic perspective. They simply aren't a tough elite force anymore, and I care more about that than any competitive meta.
Typhus eater plague is really good for damage and board control because even though it activates during the shooting phase, it's not a shooting attack so it doesn't go by the normal rules, for example you can advance and shoot with it, falling back from combat, hell you can shoot someone else even if typhus is in combat with a different opponent
I was spamming the character units because that's where all the fun rules were before. Now they are all way cheaper so you can actually run big blocks of marines to support them and still keep the elite units. I'm excited to try stuff out for my army so I think that's a win.
May I just point out, the skullsquirm blight for -1 BS/WS doesn’t count as a modifier. So the cloud of flies strat for stealth, Typhus’ -1 to hit in melee and the nurglings -1 to hit in melee when within 6” stacks to become a functional -2 to hit!
Did they actually make it possible to run plague marines as a unit of 7? Might have to actually build DG now cause them being sold as 7 but not ran as 7 was a big thing keeping me from doing so
They did that a couple weeks after 10th came out
Now it's even SLIGHTLY discounted. 15.714 PPM vs the standard 16 PPM
@@mortisoculi8943If I'm not wrong I think it was 1 week after 10th came out.
@@jcmsaucey6555I hadn't even noticed that. I don't know how useful that is since it only comes out to an extra 2 points for a squad lol
@@mortisoculi8943😊
I've stocked up on Foetid Bloat Drones, loving the points drop there, I'm tempted to get some Nurglings now too.
Sweet pulled the trigger on Death guard a month and a half ago for my first army. Looks like by time I get an army on the table they might be pretty good.
They'll definitely be better than the start of 10th, but will still be down towards the bottom of the win rates for factions overall. Although what a win rate in a compettive setting is, doesnt have that much of an impact on your local meta tbh. As most people dont run super cheesy lists like they do in competitive scenes
Putrifier has been my favorite this edition. i'm glad that i can field 1 more of them
As much as I am happy about the change breathing a small miasma of unlife into my favourite boys.
I still am a little too bitter to touch them again, GW still hasn't any idea what the faction is about. Each edition is less durability, more killy.
At this rate its looking like Slaanesh will be the FNP faction among chaos, nurgle will become some shock assault faction that sprints up the board
Which is hilariously ironic considering how they fought when they were loyalist.
@ethanklee9041 death guard were never shock assault specialist during the great crusade, if so far every legion were shock assault specialists due to the nature of astartes combat doctrine, they were durable trench fighters who used small burst of speed to cross areas of concentrated fire. They were zone mortalis specialists able to survive radiation and toxic environments that other astartes couldn't. To the death guard the durability of the astartes was what set them apart and its why they fought primarily with infantry.
Lord of Contagion, with the Deadly Pathogen enhancement, plopped into a squad of Deathshroud, is still one of the deadliest combos for the army in my opinion, and now that theyre cheaper theyre just that much more efficient
how many deathshroud?
@pandamarshmallow8081 id say a full 6, go deepstrike melee bomb with em
The plagueburst crawler are insane now but I'm playing a full infantry list with 30 plague marines, 20 Blightlords and 6 Deathshroid. Not good but very fun
Im conpletely new to 40k and my favorite army is Death Guard. Im currently working on building and painting and hearing theyve been buffed makes my heart Smile 😁
-1WS -1Bs and -1sv is absurdly good.. can't say DG aren't good now. Lol it's not the changes people wanted but it's a powerful change.
The toughness debuffing aura was a stupid concept when most units have lethal hits.
Or was giving so many units easy access to lethal hits what was stupid?
They’ve always had this rule guy
@@Whoknows21356 No not always it was a 9th edition thing. In 8th we had 5 up feel no pains army wide.
Especially when toughness went up across the board so it ends up being even worse than last edition
@@Whoknows21356we had it in 9th but plague weapons where reroll 1s to wound which synergies with the contagion, now youve got lethal hits that doesnt work with toughness debuffs
I got absolutely pumped by Death Guard at the weekend. Ate shit from the new contagion rules
No mention of Miasmic Malignifier, which is now much more interesting with contagion boost.
It had no points updates, so basically it is always better to take another Drone or Hauler for its points as the furnace has almost no damage output and its buffs are pretty weak for 115 pts, it also has no rule that buffs its contagion range like in previous edition.
It needs a HUGE points cut to become playable, something like from 115 to 70 pts, otherwise it is outclassed by fast DG demon engine vehicles.
I've got somewhere near 3500 points of Death Guard and, while I'm happy they'll at least feel playable now, they still don't have much soul. They certainly don't feel like elite space marines that have been corrupted. We either have to soup in daemons or knights, or run a heavy daemon engine list. Not addressing the extremely slow movement with lack of an invuln save or FNP on our ONLY battle line unit (plague marines) is just.... uggghhhh. I never bought DG to play a horde army, but if I want to use my marines and blightlords, that's nearly the only way to play them. They don't live long enough to crawl across the board and, if I want to deliver them (and my contagion range) to the enemy in turn 1 or 2, I'm forced to throw points into rhinos or land raiders. It just doesn't feel right. Even still.... I'll take it for now and hope the codex will address some of the ongoing issues.
I get what you mean. As a Marines player, points cuts always felt like a mediocre way at best to solve overcosted units, barring extreme cases, of course. We signed up to play elite armies, not hordes.
Nurgle daemon's point drops also opened up list design a lot, loved the changes.
*Daemons
@@cristhianmlr corrected, thank you.
Also, glad to inform that I held a unit of carnifexes led by old one eye for 2 turns with a unit of nurglings and some cultists that were close enough to stink them.
7 minutes ago, nurgle has blessed me
14 minutes ago....I am twice blessed
So you're taking a day off sick?
@@donuteater3353no he has to spread the gifts of nurgle
The -1 WS and BS is great because it can be combined with a -1 to hit 😅
Yes its broken. GW didnt think for 5 minutes about these rules
With the minus 1 WS, minus 1 to hit means most Orks cannot hit!
BS not WS
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 These rules are nice but death guard aren't anywhere near broken, their stat sheets are still not great, we just get more of them.
@dragma907 it definitely opens up the potential for more combos and an all round stronger force
with their new rules the Hellbrute is really good, they give contagion to one unit they hit.
I'm happy, I'm gonna be working on having an army of each chaos marines and didn't like the helbrutes for the others as much, but I love dreadnoughts
Man, I initially had issues with DG not regaining their durability from older editions, but if these changes genuinely help them then I can live with it. It'll be great to actually be able to play my DG and have a chance of winning now!
Same, even though they aren’t as tanky as I think a lot of people would like, I think GW actually did manage to make them playable. And besides, spreading disease everywhere to weak the enemy is perfectly in line with the Death Guard.
@@joshtompkins1538 Yeah, at least that's something. Still, hopefully the durability thing comes back with the codex, as it would be odd to just lose it altogether when the Death Guard were so resilient even _before_ they fell to Nurgle's service.
Honestly, probably should have kept plauge marines at 100/5 and either given then 3 wounds/ model or their FNP back.
I think if they gave us back DR and left everything else the same, every DG player would be happy
Played a game this past weekend with DG Terminator list (my favorite way to play them). Ran 25 BL and 9 DS termes 2 Plague Crawlers and 2 Hellbrutes. Played against and heavy shooting marine list. Honestly was cool the amount of meaty stuff that I got to put on the table. However with some terrible saves I found myself way down on the points trade until I was able to get into melee. After that things evened out a bunch but I had taken such a beating early that I wasn’t able to recover. Still a great game just mobility issues and some general bad decisions on my part. I don’t think they are bad at all with the changes, ran the -1 ws/bs just gotta find a better way of getting them into effective range of plagues asap. Might consider playing a bunch of plague marines some bully squads and some shooting might make a big difference.
The grandfathers followers have been blessed.
Came for the Plague Marines, Stayed for the Nurglings ❤️
So, GW won't admit that overall DG design in 10th is bad, instead they try to balance with points updates... Who cares that DG is horde army now? It works! Who cares that factions feel the same?
They keep on shooting themselves in the foot.
I think DG just needs a new miniature. No one will even care if that miniature would be trash. Like Furnace was trash when released and LoV was trash when released (though now he isn't), no one cared as those models made army different. SM get a new model every month, why can't we get a new model at least every year?
They still feel like slow less tanky units over all though without disgustingly resilient
Now i just need to splve the issue of hiding my Helbrute better. Tried a game against Marines first time after Dataslate, and he got shot off the board turn 1. And he wasnt even the Oath Target...
Game also only went to turn 2, but i still won
Think people are sleeping on the banner in a blob of plague Marines. A 12" bubble of -1 T and possibly -1 SV is going to give a lot more punch for the rest of the army
Good point. You can drop him out of a rhino turn 1 after moving it 12" so that could even dip into your opponents deployment zone turn 1 if they deployed on the line
@@monsterman212 can also give him the enhancement for +3" to aura (including nurgle's gift)
I play jester day vs death gard with space Mariens. They don't feel realy tanky at all and morarion fights 3 rounds VS 5 terminators and don't realy kill them
Reducing the weapon skill instead of the hit roll is huge. I haven’t seen anything else in 10th edition that does that yet. Combined with Typhus who reduces the hit roll in melee, he can make even Custodes hit on 4s in melee.
It stacks with the -1 to hit from nurglings as well
I'd love my guardsmen to reduce their weapon skill down to 3+ from 4+. Sounds amazing.
It's a shame Trajann makes them immune to modifiers :(
Rolls can't be modified greater than -1 bar saves. Stacking could be useful against enemy +1 buffs tho.
@@chronosmalkeri4157 Re-read his comment. The ability reduces the WS/BS on a unit’s datasheet, not their hit-roll. Combined with a rule that does affect the hit-roll, like Typhus, you do get to reduce the hits by 2 (3s go to 5s, 4s go to 6s, etc.)
Troops need to be stables for armies. They need to be cheap bodies with strong rules but not just spam worthy. It's sad to see most armies skipping troops.
That Primarch level of a Glow Up. There gonna be claiming a lot of Land for Papi Nurgle in competitive soon.
I feel as fast as Auspex, never been this early
For me, the video came out 4 minutes ago and your comment 8 minutes ago 😂
Haha! Clearly I’m just a super fan
I'm glad my list is far more affordable points wise. My OG army was DG and I have a metric amount of Nurgle.
I'm glad there aren't really character support limits in 10th because my list was a nightmare. GW gave DG special detachment rules because we have so many minor characters. Very hype that my 3,000 points painted is 2,500 points rn.
I saw the buffs and wanted to pick them up because nurgle was always my favorite chaos god, but I had space marines and custodes
I must admit I don't like their -WS contagion. I'm new to the game but I'm not a fan of anything that can't be mitigated by good play. Avoiding the BS debuff seems like a reasonable tactical challenge, but melee units just HAVE to suck up that they hit less across an ENTIRE army.
Technically you can mitigate it by +1 hit to compensate, but if opponent really want it and has the ability, he can give you -1 to hit to so ultimately debuff will persist. Also some abilities like Trajann one can ignore any attempts to modify your characteristics, directly countering this contagion.
Great video but you missed the one major change, the contagion for -1 WS/BS stacks with -1 to hit stratagem, making drones or mortarion very very hard to kill aaannnnddd giving the enemy a BS debuff. Aaaannnd you can’t make the -1 to hit strat cost more so they can do it every turn
Helbrute seems great now. Not sure on what Weapons to choose. Any idea?
Volume of fire seems like the way to go... You want to make sure you score a hit to apply the contagion debuff. Maybe heavy plague bolter and a fist with either the bolter or flamer depending on range and whether you're starting from reserves or not.
I'm using Las+Missile launcher, gives you antitank or you can use the frag if you really need to debuff something
I was running las and missile before, but now I'm thinking about dropping las for more attacks. IDK.
My take on the helbrute is to pick the lascannon to get some anti tank damage and the fist with the combi bolter, because you wont always want to put the target you are putting the damage into contagion, so you combi bolter the target and lascannon the vehicle or whatever, also having s12 melee makes him able to punch every tank to death
I wanna try out a Plasma Cannon and Missile Helbrute. Probably not great. But they’re both Blast and will get a small buff to hit from a Lord of Virulence.
There’s no chance I’m getting my new Tyranids units assembled and painted by this weekend, so I plan on playing my Death Guard army instead now with the points reductions and new detachment rules. My DG army lists dropped by over 200 points!
I’ve been working on the DG list that I plan on using this weekend; I’ve added a third Bloat Drone and a Lord of Contagion to lead 3 Deathshroud Terminators. I wanted to give Lord-Contagion the Deadly Pathogen enhancement, but I had to choose between taking a Biologus Putrifier or giving Tallyman Shamblerot and LC Deadly Pathogen; the latter wastes 10 points whereas the former is 2000 points exactly. The Putrifier’s 5+ Lethal Hits and free Grenade Stratagem should be better than paying for those enhancements, especially since Deadly Pathogen incentivises the Lord Contagion to camp an Objective Marker rather than leading the Deathshrouds to go after high value enemy units.
I’m looking forward to using all 3 of my Bloat Drones (finally). The only problem is that all 3 are built with Fleshmowers, whereas the dual Plaguespitters are recommended. Since I’ll be playing my friends in casual matchs, I’ll just say one or two of them have Plaguespitters; I want to test how effective those ranged plague weapons are. Although I am already taking to 2 Plagueburst Crawlers and 5 Blightlords, so I might have more than enough firepower already.
any tips/advice on playing and building a list for this faction?
@@2115-l9o Are you a bot? 🤔
That isn’t just a minus one to hit, you worsen the hit CHARACTERISTIC meaning a minus one can be stacked on top of it
"to every thing there is a season" 😊
I’m not a DG player and even I wanted them to get some major buffs.
So at this rate spaces wolves will be good in 2 years.
Plenty of Daemon Allies also got cheaper, which is huge for DG. Extra Deepstrike never hurt anyone when you're a slow army.
Nurglings are now 35 (down from 40), and 2-3 MSU squads pretty much quarantee you will be scoring decently from secondaries.
Plaguebeares down to 125 (from 145). Fairly tough OC 2 bodies with an INV, combo super well with terminator heavy lists, if you don't want to run plague marines or poxwalkers as objective sitters. Their melee when combined with the Sv. reduction aura is not half bad.
Beasts of Nurgle down to 70 (from 75). Excellent "distraction carnifexes" on the cheap, require straight up anti-tank guns to bring down efficiently, great for tying up shooty bricks of enemies with bad melee (Necron Warriors for example).
Soulgrinders down to 200 from 215. Extremly tough can-openers, grind down enemy vehicles in melee with ease (average dmg just about one-rounds a Leman Russ BT). Really enjoy the reduced enemy save charasteristic DG can pump out.
Great Unclean One down to 250 (from 280). He's... not actually all that amazing when souped in with DG, sadly. Mediocre shooting, kinda awkward melee profile (not good against vehicles, monsters, or elite infantry). His biggest gimmick is the rule that reduces enemy T, which stacks with DG's toughness penalty aura.
So can world eaters get a reroll to hit and wound for each unit like eldar thats useful every round not just first turn of melee; is that maybe why eldar are still broken, its only about 100CPs worth of free rerolls each game
Glad to see DG players can be competitive again.
Does anybody else realize that a major "points drop" across most armies is simply a way for GW to "sell more models" or do people actually believe that this is just about "game balance"?
When will these changes update on the app
i hope the turn around for guard is as quick, i doubt it though
I'm excited too get these new cards! With all the price drops I'll have to get more units 😂. Those little nurgle dudes where interesting
So happy my wall of walking bolter fire just got bigger for cheaper.
I'm glad dg got buffed and revised and your point of view is very insightful... though it's a big flavour fail on your part to talk about six units, should've put a senventh one just for the joy of grandpa nurgle
So what. It’s identity death for most of the faction. Now they’re a horde space marine army.
Hopefully my buddy who got into Warhammer because of the DG will field his armies again.
Dont forget CK war dog brigand. its very useful for new balanced DG.
Was thinking about picking up some drones. This might have me pull the trigger.
Just think of a brigand wardog getting to shoot at virtually ap -3 with the chaingun and ap-6 with the melta spear
Idk, I still don't like that almost all of our endurance has been taken away.
Here is the good roster to play DG
морти с ребятами (2000 points)
Death Guard
Strike Force (2000 points)
Plague Company
CHARACTER
Lord of Contagion (80 points)
• 1x Plagueblade
Lord of Contagion (80 points)
• 1x Plagueblade
Lord of Virulence (110 points)
• 1x Heavy plague fist
1x Twin plague spewer
• Enhancement: The Droning (Aura)
Mortarion (325 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Rotwind
1x Silence
1x The Lantern
Tallyman (45 points)
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Infected plasma pistol
Typhus (100 points)
• 1x Master-crafted manreaper
OTHER DATASHEETS
Blightlord Terminators (330 points)
• 1x Blightlord Champion
• 1x Bubotic blade
1x Plague combi-bolter
• 9x Blightlord Terminator
• 7x Bubotic blade
2x Flail of corruption
3x Plague combi-bolter
2x Plague spewer
2x Reaper autocannon
Blightlord Terminators (330 points)
• 1x Blightlord Champion
• 1x Bubotic blade
1x Plague combi-bolter
• 9x Blightlord Terminator
• 7x Bubotic blade
2x Flail of corruption
3x Plague combi-bolter
2x Plague spewer
2x Reaper autocannon
Death Guard Cultists (50 points)
• 1x Death Guard Cultist Champion
• 1x Brutal assault weapon
1x Cultist firearm
• 9x Death Guard Cultist
• 9x Brutal assault weapon
9x Cultist firearm
Deathshroud Terminators (250 points)
• 1x Deathshroud Champion
• 1x Manreaper
1x Plaguespurt gauntlet
1x Plaguespurt gauntlet
• 5x Deathshroud Terminator
• 5x Manreaper
5x Plaguespurt gauntlet
Foetid Bloat-Drone (100 points)
• 1x Heavy blight launcher
1x Plague probe
Foetid Bloat-Drone (100 points)
• 1x Heavy blight launcher
1x Plague probe
Poxwalkers (100 points)
• 20x Poxwalker
• 20x Improvised weapon
Mortarian is "Mow Very Very Durable"?
For a month maybe, and then they get kicked down the ladder for another faction to be COMPLETELY OP and unbalanced. Hence why I do not, cannot, consider 40K seriously as a competitive game in anyway. Let alone invest or keep up with the codexes, etc.
Nothing wrong just playing for fun, it’s a game.
@@chaosslayerofworlds6020 no disagreement, it’s just the walls to that are rather high compared to some other arguably better rule sets.
I think it’s stupid for this crap to happen. Make every list equally viable by cutting out the the silly little special rules and tricks.
“Death Guard Just Got Good?”
“No, GW is just playing it’s tired old game of Buy To Win.”
Sorry all, I got back into 40K with this edition and this still rubs me the wrong way.
I guess I’ll go back to playing generic games.
Good day to you all.
With nurglings minus 1 to hit...its stacks with minus one ws.. there's a very real world where you charge nurglings in and they are being hit on 6s
Your Kutami link doesn't work.
Top of C tier wasn't it?
Anyone have fun running 4 princes?
Happy dg is good now… still sad it is no more the tough faction :(
From lore DG is not realy an elite army. They escaped the post heresy pretty mutch in tact as a legion so i think it's not that big of a deal they get that cheap
Pls talk about admech
One of the most hateful combos for this faction now is souping in nurglings. The contagion for -1 to BS/WS and -1 to hit from nurglings will make people tear their hair out
Nurglings do not have Nurgle's Gift ability. So they will not contribute to contagion unfortunately.
its not the contagion, Its their native ability to give -1 to hit. You have to apply the contagion another way =P@@willscurran
@@willscurran maybe with the helbrutes contagion shot it can be sort of pulled off
Happy Plague Noises.
with the new rules for contagion, i'm asking myself if the Icon Bearer could finally have some real good value (we can even push the effect by adding a +3 aura with the enhancement)
Whats better for their points, 5 stinky boys at 80 or 4 drony boys at 70?
Still salty at GW for not changing Tactical Drone points costs in the dataslate.
Right now talk about how thousand sons just got bad
Pfff Terminators *laught in OP as hell Sternguard who Crits on a 5+ with devwounds*
Hear me out; Death Guard being slightly horde-y is not as bad an idea as it seems at first. They are perhaps the most numerous group of Space Marines in the lore. They have actually *increased* in size compared to the Heresy. They are rotting and falling apart. And since durability is directly related to cost, zombie space marines are fairly tough for the points. For having corroded armor and soft bodies, T4 2W's is pretty high. And if you think about zombies and germs, they should be numerous. I think it's a good direction.
Looks like 10th edition's back on the menu boys
My man!
Love how cheap the regular Plague Marines are now. Always found it fitting with the creeping, slow advancing of multiple squads of them.
But 16 PPM? Lol okay
Yeah. I've really missed being able to dump a rhino full of these guys on an objective, and trust them to survive a little bit of shooting.
@@Whoknows21356 Yep, PM are way too cheap for the free upgrades.
@@Whoknows21356 well 16 is a tad-bit to good I will admit. The old 18pts per from 9th was spot on.
@@MrFelblood my slow-ass have not buildt a rhino yet, so I have had 15 Marines footslog their way down central lane under constant fire. This was during 9th tho. Haven't gotten around to a DG 10th game yet sadly.
Papa bless! 🪰🪰🪰
ffs dude, how about crab?)
49 mins ago.... It's magic
Get a helbrut shoot something with it....focus that shit to death lol my gameplan
Nurglings are cheap and useful - I take them. But they have an OC of 0. So your comments about objectives ...
When do you sleep?
uh oh
Sad that 10th ed is only months old and and already broken and probably irretrievably so.
Deathguard should just half toughness rounded up.
Gman is 380 but morty is 325? Wtf
Yeah this got my goat a little too. Morty is far more durable and punching about that same if not harder at range.
He's less of a force multiplier that Roboute though.
@@draeb2797 Reboute is less of a force multiplier than he was before the changes. Just like the captains his free strat a phase ability is much less powerful. OoM is still only one OoM until you get the kill.
death guard are s tier now. it blows my mind that ppl can't see this
I dont really think so, ive played some games after the buff and ive still got shit on by melee armies, even with the -1ws and even striking first with my pm units, the thing is that for an army that moves 4" to put units in contagion is really hard, maybe when i try the morty + every vehicle i tell you otherwise
@@alextrollming6588 rapid ingress...you can thank me later
The datasheets aren't there to make DG S tier.
Oh yeah, now that the points have dropped and there is an additional ability on the contagion, it will be super easy to get elves within 3" on the first round. I'm not surprised to see schill bots in the comments, but Auspex, very disappoint; how much is GW paying you?
Not with those ridiculous childish minis, alas.
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