Absofuckinglutely great video mate watching this all the way from New Zealand. In the process now of rebuilding and restoring my Grandfather's Pony love the job You have done and hopefully will be able to get my one to that standard.
My grandpa had a Pony. One of its tasks was plowing snow. My brother would drive and I would stand on the tow bar on the back to add a little extra weight on the back tires. We were young then and together probably didn't weigh more than 120. Anyway, in my experience, that is what the bar is for. Thank you for your videos!
That would sure be some fun times for a kid!! I always thought the Ponys look great with a front mount snow plow and I'd imagine would work well. Thanks for watching!
@@Jason1Pa I don't know about fun, but it sure made me feel like I had something important to contribute. I think I about froze most of the time. Lots of fond memories. We sold it a few years ago to a guy that wanted to restore it. It hadn't ran in years. Now we are working on getting a 2N working that my dad had. We came across your video on converting 6 to 12 volt and found it very informative. Thank you.
@@jjdiaz667 Good luck with the 2N!! I have 6 video series on how to rebuild everything. Hopefully you won't need to but if you run into a issue feel free to ask for help!
@@Jason1Pa We did some work a couple of years ago and got it running pretty good. Replaced the condenser and cleaned the carburetor. Ended up damaging the little resister coil putting the hood back on and replaced that. Then one day it just wouldn't start and we couldn't figure out why. I think the answer is the little relay switch you mention in one video turning the generator into a motor. On the advise of a neighbor we bought a conversion kit so that is next on the to do list. We will sure let you know if we have questions. Thanks for responding.
Seems like the Farmalls, John Deere, Fords and some others are so common at shows, its neat to see something different. Your MH for instance and Olivers had very stylish looking sheet metal. Nice old resto you have there!
Your right Farmalls, John Deere,and Ford seem to be everywhere. Others like Massey,Minnie Mo's,Oliver, Case,etc. Seem to be popular just in certain areas of the country. Or even out of this country. I have family in NC and it's flooded with Massey Harris in their area and it's been like that way for years. I guess maybe it just depends where dealerships were put years ago? Anyway thanks for watching! Hope to see some more videos from you soon
Yours could be older than you mention. The cast iron engine subframe (I think) could mean its late 1940's. Mine is a French pony but has the fittings for the Canadian engine. Mine also has a central tow bar that attaches just behind and underneath the clutch housing, runs underneath the rear axle area and exits like a normal tow bar in the centre rear. Its very quick and easy to remove. I had several different "manufacture dates" given for mine from various sources, so mine could be 2 or even 3 different tractors assembled over its life. Thanks for the video. Great job.
@@Jason1Pa I got so many different dates for mine from the serial number from different sources in France and Canada that I had to settle for the look of the machine. It seems that MH assembled the early transmissions and shipped an almost complete tractor to france to have the Simca engine fitted, until MH France started the full assembly, around 1950. The pressed steel engine bed started in 51. I stand corrected, but this took me a few years to uncover. There was also as much as 2 years between transmission assembly in Canada and being registered/sold in France. A great little tractor all the same..mine has a 15 hp Briggs and Stratton engine fitted.
I just saved one of these tractors from the scrap yard. I plan to restore it and trying to learn all I can about it. Learning Steiner is the place to find parts but I need some questions answered if possible.
Personally I'm not a fan of Steiners. You pay way more for the same stuff you can get anywhere. Only a few things that come from there can't be bought other places. Ask away I'd be glad to help
Thanks good to know about Steiner. I’m just running down trouble shooting today cleaned off the points, fresh fuel, check plugs, got a 6v battery. You know run of the mill for getting a tractor back running from sitting 6/7 years.
My plan is to pull start/roll start it. I got it to fire/puff and the motor isn’t locked up or nothing just I’m wanting to make sure the wiring is correct from the coil back to the white relay or whatever you call it then to the switch. Is white and has four blade prongs on it?
@zachbatman7803 It sounds like your explaining a voltage regulator of some sort, but that shouldn't have anything to do with the coil. There could be someone's own creation of wiring. If you want you can send me pictures. My email is jbeluschok@yahoo.com Or if you have Facebook you can use instant messenger. My name on there is Jason Samuel and there is a Silver King (silver and grey) tractor in my profile picture.
Hi J enjoyed the video but I have a serious question and I am not trying to run down MH I love most antique tractors but a friend of mine I really respect once told me that if I was looking for a small tractor of this size I should wait until I found a Farmall Cub the reason being that the Cub has more main bearings and I was just curious what your thoughts were on the matter? By the way you did a nice job I would love to know what it cost you from start to finish because every time I do an 8N it costs me more to restore it than I thought no matter how old I get I never get it right and then I start wanting to cut corners you know stuff like instead of buying new tires use the old ones if I can! I would just once like to throw caution to the wind and go all the way like you did! That’s a nice Pony 11.6 in one you could say. Keep that old iron running my friend 🇨🇦🪝🏗
Hello Keith!! First off thanks for watching and the thoughtful comments. It is true the Farmall Cub has one extra main bearing (3) and the Pony has 2 main bearings. In my honest opinion it doesn't make any difference having that one extra main bearing. Considering both the Cub and Pony are low compression,low horsepower/torque,and RPM the crankshaft is not under a lot of stress at all. Keep in mind they are garden tractors. Nothing more. They were designed to do lite work around the farm. If only having 2 bearings was a issue you would hear by now a lot of people talking about it. I've personally have never heard of any major issues. Allis Chalmers,Leader,and irrigation pumps used these engines too. There were A LOT of them produced. If you compare the Pony and Cub the Pony is a lot heavier made. The front axles,tie rods,wheels, etc are all bigger. The Pony outweighs the Cub. Generally if something is heavier it is made better. If you look at the 12 horsepower range of tractors however in my opinion the John Deere H is heavier built out of all of them. I have nothing negative to say about the Cubs. Great machines. My dream Cub is a 1957 with Fast Hitch. As far as the cost of restoring a tractor from the ground up it is expensive. There really isn't anyway around it. If you have a passion for antique tractors and are going to keep them to enjoy then the money doesn't matter. I personally don't look at value. If it would be worth a million dollars that would amazing but if it's only worth 100 dollars that's ok. As far as the Ford I did the video series on I have about 7k into it. Once I paint it I'll probably have another 2k into it. I don't use farm store paint. Regular automotive base clear paint.
Hi J thanks for your quick response I agree I haven’t seen or heard of any Pony’s with that kind of engine trouble I have had opportunities in the past to buy a Pony but been reluctant, now I won’t let that one issue stop me! I agree fully with you about the cost of restoring these tractors I always get scared when the bills start getting to be more than the tractor is worth, but I am diving in J I have 2 8n Ford tractors on e I want to like show room and the other will be the work horse and just get a paint job tune up and brakes of course! They are both side distributor models that has always been a dream of mine! But anyway you keep up the good work and remember our Creator!
@@keithwarkentin 2 side distributor 8ns?!?!?! I'm jealous!! 😆 I forgot to mention the Massey Harris Pacer. Not sure if you are familiar with them or not. They are 16 hp The only difference between them and The Pony is the engine,frame rails and hood. The hood and frame rails are 4 inches longer then a Pony because of the larger engine. The rest is exactly the same. Only bad thing is they are not as common as the Pony
That’s great news I love learning more and more and appreciate you sharing that with me If I come across one here in MB🇨🇦 I will jump on it ! It always cool to find something rare!👌👍
The Red is DuPont. The name is "Rangoon Red". It was a Ford Motor Company color used in the 60s. The Yellow was DuPont also and named "Straw Yellow" I found out later that the John Deere Industrial yellow used in the 80s is a perfect match to Straw Yellow. If your around Massey Harris at tractor shows you'll notice two kinds of yellow. There always seems to be a little bit of a debate. The other yellow is like a faded out yellow. I picked the Straw Yellow because that is what I liked better though the faded out yellow may be more accurate? Not sure. You'll also see some Ponys with the engine painted black. I have seen some old shop manuals with black engines. Maybe they painted like that for a time. Most you see are red though. My personal opinion is it looks better red and it's easier to deal with when painting. Also on my tractor you'll notice the hubs and wheel bolts are red. Technology they should be yellow to match the wheel,but I liked the contrasting colors. Also again it is easier to paint.
@@Jason1Pa Thanks for the video. There is also the Massey Harris Ferguson Pony. It is grey in color. These are rare, it would be a shame to paint them red.
Great info, I am looking to buy one. The tractor data site does not list full dimensions. Can you tell me the lenght & width (with tires). I need this info to rent a trailer. tks.
It really depends on how the wheels are set. Currently mine is roughly 5ft wide with the wheels and rims bolted the way they are. As far the length it depends on the hitch it has. Tonight I will give you exact measurements. I think it's about 11 ft long if I remember correctly.
I’m looking for information on attachments for these I have a front plow and a single furrow plow . I’m wondering if I can get a mower and tiller for mine
Hi Chris! Tillers on most antique tractors don't work because the ground speed is too fast and the PTO speed is not fast enough. Then with the Pony the 12 horsepower is also a problem. I've seen on other tractors the same size such as a Farmall Cub people attaching a tiller or snowblower to them but have a small air cooled engine to power them. My tractor had a 60 inch Woods mower on when I bought it. I played with it some but it is a little too much mower for it to power. They made 42 inch ones that are much more suitable. However if you'd want to get any kind of Woods mower you'd need to find one used. Woods no longer make belly mowers only 3 point finish mowers when it comes to cutting lawns. They do however make replacement parts for most of their older belly mowers.
I've had my 8N engine rebuilt two times and the problem is back again. Can you tell me why the cylinder would move up and down with the piston and bang against the head and what I can do about it?
@@FordFlatheadRat Well a lot of times if the head or block has been shaved a couple times or more there is less room above the piston. Some people will had two head gaskets to give you more clearance. I personally don't care for this idea but some guys have had luck. I personally just take a small grinder and lightly shave the head where the piston is hitting. And with out a head gasket place the head on the engine and rotate the engine. You'll see if the pistons are touching if the head moves up. You can also put some grease on the piston and then see on the head where it is touching. Just takes some time and light grinding. Once the pistons arn't touching you know you are safe with the head gasket on to give you that little extra light. Also make sure the wrist pin bushings are not worn so bad that the piston isn't flopping up and down. If it was actually rebuilt this shouldn't be a problem. Hope this helps if not feel free to send me a email at jbeluschok@yahoo.com for more questions. I have a video on this process I'll send you a link let me find it for you
Here is that link about the head getting hit with the pistons. Sorry for the poor quality video I was new to making videos at the time. ua-cam.com/video/vCM0EemFFsE/v-deo.html
Outstanding video, great job!
Awesome Tractor Jason!!! You did a great job restoring it!!! Looks brand new right off the show room floor!!! Keep Rocking it out!!!
Thanks Pat!!
Smooth running and beautiful!
Thanks Rick. As always thanks for watching all this time.
Absofuckinglutely great video mate watching this all the way from New Zealand. In the process now of rebuilding and restoring my Grandfather's Pony love the job You have done and hopefully will be able to get my one to that standard.
Thanks mate!
She purrs like a kitten. Excellent job and video!
Thanks Jason. Stay tuned for more in the near future
My grandpa had a Pony. One of its tasks was plowing snow. My brother would drive and I would stand on the tow bar on the back to add a little extra weight on the back tires. We were young then and together probably didn't weigh more than 120. Anyway, in my experience, that is what the bar is for. Thank you for your videos!
That would sure be some fun times for a kid!! I always thought the Ponys look great with a front mount snow plow and I'd imagine would work well. Thanks for watching!
@@Jason1Pa I don't know about fun, but it sure made me feel like I had something important to contribute. I think I about froze most of the time. Lots of fond memories. We sold it a few years ago to a guy that wanted to restore it. It hadn't ran in years. Now we are working on getting a 2N working that my dad had. We came across your video on converting 6 to 12 volt and found it very informative. Thank you.
@@jjdiaz667 Good luck with the 2N!! I have 6 video series on how to rebuild everything. Hopefully you won't need to but if you run into a issue feel free to ask for help!
@@Jason1Pa We did some work a couple of years ago and got it running pretty good. Replaced the condenser and cleaned the carburetor. Ended up damaging the little resister coil putting the hood back on and replaced that. Then one day it just wouldn't start and we couldn't figure out why. I think the answer is the little relay switch you mention in one video turning the generator into a motor. On the advise of a neighbor we bought a conversion kit so that is next on the to do list. We will sure let you know if we have questions. Thanks for responding.
Great tractors, we have a 1956, still runs good.
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
Looks great.
Really nice work.
Thank Ya Sir 😃
Seems like the Farmalls, John Deere, Fords and some others are so common at shows, its neat to see something different. Your MH for instance and Olivers had very stylish looking sheet metal. Nice old resto you have there!
Your right Farmalls, John Deere,and Ford seem to be everywhere. Others like Massey,Minnie Mo's,Oliver, Case,etc. Seem to be popular just in certain areas of the country. Or even out of this country. I have family in NC and it's flooded with Massey Harris in their area and it's been like that way for years. I guess maybe it just depends where dealerships were put years ago?
Anyway thanks for watching! Hope to see some more videos from you soon
Yours could be older than you mention. The cast iron engine subframe (I think) could mean its late 1940's.
Mine is a French pony but has the fittings for the Canadian engine. Mine also has a central tow bar that attaches just behind and underneath the clutch housing, runs underneath the rear axle area and exits like a normal tow bar in the centre rear. Its very quick and easy to remove. I had several different "manufacture dates" given for mine from various sources, so mine could be 2 or even 3 different tractors assembled over its life. Thanks for the video. Great job.
I'm sure mine is a 1952
I forgot to mention that bar that can be attached under the tractor. Where do you live? French Ponys are rare here in the U.S.
@@Jason1Pa I got so many different dates for mine from the serial number from different sources in France and Canada that I had to settle for the look of the machine. It seems that MH assembled the early transmissions and shipped an almost complete tractor to france to have the Simca engine fitted, until MH France started the full assembly, around 1950. The pressed steel engine bed started in 51. I stand corrected, but this took me a few years to uncover. There was also as much as 2 years between transmission assembly in Canada and being registered/sold in France.
A great little tractor all the same..mine has a 15 hp Briggs and Stratton engine fitted.
I see advantages in this tractor and in the cub . Nice tractor.
I love Farmall Cubs but I have to admit that the Pony is a little more beefy. Just comparing the front axle and tie rods and such. A lot bigger.
Thanks
i got massey pony tractor main drive bull gear off ebay yesterday
Awesome!! I'm so glad we can use technology like the internet to locate parts easily these days!
Grandpa had a pony, actually 5 Massey Harris tractors
I just saved one of these tractors from the scrap yard. I plan to restore it and trying to learn all I can about it. Learning Steiner is the place to find parts but I need some questions answered if possible.
Personally I'm not a fan of Steiners. You pay way more for the same stuff you can get anywhere. Only a few things that come from there can't be bought other places.
Ask away I'd be glad to help
Thanks good to know about Steiner. I’m just running down trouble shooting today cleaned off the points, fresh fuel, check plugs, got a 6v battery. You know run of the mill for getting a tractor back running from sitting 6/7 years.
My plan is to pull start/roll start it. I got it to fire/puff and the motor isn’t locked up or nothing just I’m wanting to make sure the wiring is correct from the coil back to the white relay or whatever you call it then to the switch. Is white and has four blade prongs on it?
@zachbatman7803 It sounds like your explaining a voltage regulator of some sort, but that shouldn't have anything to do with the coil. There could be someone's own creation of wiring.
If you want you can send me pictures. My email is jbeluschok@yahoo.com
Or if you have Facebook you can use instant messenger. My name on there is Jason Samuel and there is a Silver King (silver and grey) tractor in my profile picture.
comment passe t'on la vitesse quand il roule , il faut débrayer et baisser l'accélérateur et passer la vitesse ?
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Hi J enjoyed the video but I have a serious question and I am not trying to run down MH I love most antique tractors but a friend of mine I really respect once told me that if I was looking for a small tractor of this size I should wait until I found a Farmall Cub the reason being that the Cub has more main bearings and I was just curious what your thoughts were on the matter? By the way you did a nice job I would love to know what it cost you from start to finish because every time I do an 8N it costs me more to restore it than I thought no matter how old I get I never get it right and then I start wanting to cut corners you know stuff like instead of buying new tires use the old ones if I can! I would just once like to throw caution to the wind and go all the way like you did! That’s a nice Pony 11.6 in one you could say. Keep that old iron running my friend 🇨🇦🪝🏗
Hello Keith!! First off thanks for watching and the thoughtful comments.
It is true the Farmall Cub has one extra main bearing (3) and the Pony has 2 main bearings. In my honest opinion it doesn't make any difference having that one extra main bearing. Considering both the Cub and Pony are low compression,low horsepower/torque,and RPM the crankshaft is not under a lot of stress at all. Keep in mind they are garden tractors. Nothing more. They were designed to do lite work around the farm. If only having 2 bearings was a issue you would hear by now a lot of people talking about it. I've personally have never heard of any major issues. Allis Chalmers,Leader,and irrigation pumps used these engines too. There were A LOT of them produced.
If you compare the Pony and Cub the Pony is a lot heavier made. The front axles,tie rods,wheels, etc are all bigger. The Pony outweighs the Cub. Generally if something is heavier it is made better.
If you look at the 12 horsepower range of tractors however in my opinion the John Deere H is heavier built out of all of them. I have nothing negative to say about the Cubs. Great machines. My dream Cub is a 1957 with Fast Hitch.
As far as the cost of restoring a tractor from the ground up it is expensive. There really isn't anyway around it. If you have a passion for antique tractors and are going to keep them to enjoy then the money doesn't matter. I personally don't look at value. If it would be worth a million dollars that would amazing but if it's only worth 100 dollars that's ok.
As far as the Ford I did the video series on I have about 7k into it. Once I paint it I'll probably have another 2k into it. I don't use farm store paint. Regular automotive base clear paint.
Hi J thanks for your quick response I agree I haven’t seen or heard of any Pony’s with that kind of engine trouble I have had opportunities in the past to buy a Pony but been reluctant, now I won’t let that one issue stop me! I agree fully with you about the cost of restoring these tractors I always get scared when the bills start getting to be more than the tractor is worth, but I am diving in J I have 2 8n Ford tractors on e I want to like show room and the other will be the work horse and just get a paint job tune up and brakes of course! They are both side distributor models that has always been a dream of mine! But anyway you keep up the good work and remember our Creator!
@@keithwarkentin 2 side distributor 8ns?!?!?! I'm jealous!! 😆
I forgot to mention the Massey Harris Pacer. Not sure if you are familiar with them or not. They are 16 hp The only difference between them and The Pony is the engine,frame rails and hood. The hood and frame rails are 4 inches longer then a Pony because of the larger engine. The rest is exactly the same. Only bad thing is they are not as common as the Pony
That’s great news I love learning more and more and appreciate you sharing that with me If I come across one here in MB🇨🇦 I will jump on it ! It always cool to find something rare!👌👍
Bottom of the carb, fuel keeps dripping out. It is a stuck float or?
The float could be stuck or the needle valve is not seating well and gas is getting past. Small crack is also a possibility.
What town in western PA are you in?
Greensburg (Westmoreland County) about 35 miles east of Pittsburgh
Pony, Pacer, 20, 33, and a 44 diesel
Nice!!
Hey what color or code did you use?? I’m about to paint mine and I need help to find the right red.
The Red is DuPont. The name is "Rangoon Red". It was a Ford Motor Company color used in the 60s.
The Yellow was DuPont also and named "Straw Yellow" I found out later that the John Deere Industrial yellow used in the 80s is a perfect match to Straw Yellow.
If your around Massey Harris at tractor shows you'll notice two kinds of yellow. There always seems to be a little bit of a debate. The other yellow is like a faded out yellow. I picked the Straw Yellow because that is what I liked better though the faded out yellow may be more accurate? Not sure.
You'll also see some Ponys with the engine painted black. I have seen some old shop manuals with black engines. Maybe they painted like that for a time. Most you see are red though. My personal opinion is it looks better red and it's easier to deal with when painting.
Also on my tractor you'll notice the hubs and wheel bolts are red. Technology they should be yellow to match the wheel,but I liked the contrasting colors. Also again it is easier to paint.
@@Jason1Pa Thanks for the video.
There is also the Massey Harris Ferguson Pony. It is grey in color. These are rare, it would be a shame to paint them red.
@@stevecobb7844 Yes I've seen several of the Ferguson Ponys threw the years at Shows or auctions. Would be neat to get one someday.
Great info, I am looking to buy one. The tractor data site does not list full dimensions. Can you tell me the lenght & width (with tires). I need this info to rent a trailer. tks.
It really depends on how the wheels are set. Currently mine is roughly 5ft wide with the wheels and rims bolted the way they are. As far the length it depends on the hitch it has. Tonight I will give you exact measurements. I think it's about 11 ft long if I remember correctly.
So I measured my Pony. It is 4ft 9 inches wide. And 9ft long.
thank you, that helps with hauling plans.
I’m looking for information on attachments for these I have a front plow and a single furrow plow . I’m wondering if I can get a mower and tiller for mine
Hi Chris! Tillers on most antique tractors don't work because the ground speed is too fast and the PTO speed is not fast enough. Then with the Pony the 12 horsepower is also a problem. I've seen on other tractors the same size such as a Farmall Cub people attaching a tiller or snowblower to them but have a small air cooled engine to power them.
My tractor had a 60 inch Woods mower on when I bought it. I played with it some but it is a little too much mower for it to power. They made 42 inch ones that are much more suitable. However if you'd want to get any kind of Woods mower you'd need to find one used. Woods no longer make belly mowers only 3 point finish mowers when it comes to cutting lawns. They do however make replacement parts for most of their older belly mowers.
@@Jason1Pa mine is the pacer not pony but I believe they are similar
@@TheGraves420 has 16 hp. Doesn't change anything as far as a mower or tiller unfortunately
Do you work on other people's tractors? I need a rebuild.
Not really. Maybe neighbors or friends but usually just for a hobby.
I've had my 8N engine rebuilt two times and the problem is back again. Can you tell me why the cylinder would move up and down with the piston and bang against the head and what I can do about it?
@@FordFlatheadRat Well a lot of times if the head or block has been shaved a couple times or more there is less room above the piston. Some people will had two head gaskets to give you more clearance. I personally don't care for this idea but some guys have had luck. I personally just take a small grinder and lightly shave the head where the piston is hitting. And with out a head gasket place the head on the engine and rotate the engine. You'll see if the pistons are touching if the head moves up. You can also put some grease on the piston and then see on the head where it is touching. Just takes some time and light grinding. Once the pistons arn't touching you know you are safe with the head gasket on to give you that little extra light. Also make sure the wrist pin bushings are not worn so bad that the piston isn't flopping up and down. If it was actually rebuilt this shouldn't be a problem. Hope this helps if not feel free to send me a email at jbeluschok@yahoo.com for more questions. I have a video on this process I'll send you a link let me find it for you
Here is that link about the head getting hit with the pistons. Sorry for the poor quality video I was new to making videos at the time. ua-cam.com/video/vCM0EemFFsE/v-deo.html
massey harris ponies have 13 hp simca arianne engine :) its impossible to find a 6 volt battery for this
They actually have a little over 11 up
Where is your location? There are still 6 volt batteries available.
Simca engine is in the French Pony. Flathead Continental in the North American Pony.
@@Jason1Pa well i live in Finland.. yes, i can buy a battery thats meant for a beetle but they are heckin' expensive.