Yea who voted a literal child that died cruelly Edit: not to be that guy- TOO BAD THANKING PEOPLE IS NICE (I think) ty for 37 likes :) Edit 2: wow uhm- I’m lost for words but ty for 64 likes :D
I think the people who voted Snowkit were mad about the ableism behind his role in the story rather than hating Snowkit himself. Like a vote for him was a vote for "why did you put a deaf character in the book just to kill him?" That or they're trolling
@@whiskerburrtangle Look, this isn't an attack, because I used to think along similar lines, and I think this attitude is pretty common in the fandom. But you're using realism & nature to defend the writing choices of a book series that is famously unrealistic. Real cats form loose colonies where the males leave as they mature, nothing as structured as a Clan. Real cats do not practice monogamy. Real cats do not have a concept of medicine or religion. Never mind the more outright fantastical elements, like their religion actually being 100% true or some cats having magical powers. And to be clear, the series having these traits is not a bad thing! It's what makes warriors fun and engaging. But the question that was put to me, and now I'm putting to you is this: if you can accept, even enjoy, these blatantly unrealistic elements, does it not seem hypocritical to use realism or nature to defend the writing choices around Snowkit? That you're able to suspend your disbelief for polyglot ghost badgers, but not for the idea a deaf kitten might have made it past his childhood? Honestly, if Snowkit had been hearing, that scene would have worked just as well. Hearing kittens in the wild do get carried off by hawks and other predators. They didn't, and that was a choice. Writing him as deaf only to kill him off within a few chapters shows an unconscious bias on the author's part that deaf characters, and by extension, deaf people, are more expendable. That's the ableist part. (Especially given that Snowkit is still the only character out of thousands who was born deaf, and didn't become deaf as he aged. Statistically, that's just. Extremely unlikely. Unrealistic, we might say.) As a fandom, we can do better than accepting conditional realism. We can do better than only caring about "nature" when it's time to justify killing a disabled character.
he is most definitely a character, mentioned often by Sol's mother and appearing in the book, but honestly I found that out from the wiki so I get not realizing.
Anyone who voted for a character that few people hate, explain your reasoning! I'll go first! I hate Hailstar because he's treated like a wise and good leader but in reality he's pathetic. He fails to fight back for Sunning Rocks or Willowbreeze and Graypool untill much later but mostly I hate how he treated Crookedkit. He acts all sorry for changing his name when in reality he could've just said no to Rainflower. The leader's word is law, afterall. At least Rainflower's interesting.
Wait that's so true lol, I didn't even think about that! I Hate Jayfeather cause even when cats are trying to help him, he gets mad, I know that's part of his character but it can get annoying.
I voted for Arc and Turtle tail, and my reasonings are that Arc came across as super pushy and like he felt entitled to Riverstar and his help and he wasn’t even acting as a great friend or mentor and almost killed them all a few times 😂 Turtle tail also came across as kinda pushy and sassy to gray wing for not realizing she liked him when she never told him and I never forgave her for being angry at gray wing when he pushed the kits off him because he couldn’t breathe 😭😂 and I just liked Slate better Not the biggest gray wing fan ever either tho lolol
i hate stemleaf so much, reason: BECAUSE BRISTLEFROST WAS DENIED, stemleaf denied bristlefrost. and bristlefrost X stemleaf would be a great ship. and bristlefrost is my baby girl
@@Softwing_ ...HOW DARE YOU, HE IS JUST INDEPENDENT. ITS NOT ANNOYING....ITS DRAMATIC, HES SENSITIVE AND HAS ANGER ISSUES, MY 2ND FAV CAT CANT BE DENIED
The only things that came to mind is the Daisy/Cloudtail/Brightheart thing (no idea on why someone would hate her for that though), and her mentorship of Jaypaw/feather I guess?? Idk just guessing here
Sleekwhisker is a jerk but she's also a girlboss. Her bad adittude makes her fun. As for Jayfeather, he can be grating at times and the fandom is over saturated with his fan content so it's kinda understandable. I honestly don't have much of an opinion on him.
i think it's because more people have read books with jayfeather in them than sleekwhisker as she appears way later, plus jayfeather is pretty polarising on his own anyway
@@Lobbyhoe_Ruhn너 I like Jayfeather nowadays, but the only reason is due to his Barnes and Noble exclusive chapter where it added a lot of depth to his character. I thought he was insufferable as a kid when I read POT and OOTS… in a more recent read through I actually enjoyed his character though
Yes brambleclaw was at least okay when he was in the new prophecy that's when I actually liked him should I have not read spotted leaves heart but thistleclaw sounds... Just.... Meanie >:C
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21:59 he absolutely deserved 2nd place, he literally did so much wrong. I bet the only reason he got into starclan was because they couldn’t put a founding leader into the dark forest
@@MatthewChase-nh9lrAgreed. Interesting as an actual character (ish) but that’s really all she has going for her imo. And Tigerheart just sucks. Hope he’s gone by the next series
See, villains are characters you're meant to dislike. They're doing their job if you hate them.... But a poorly written character the writers kiss the ass of while the character is just a god-awful person is.... infuriating.
nah thistleclaw defenders are valid. he used to be surprisingly well-liked cause bluestar's prophecy didn't actually give us proper reasons for why he was so "evil" so the erins got mad at his fans and retconned him into the worst kind of person they could think of to go "SEE?? he WAS super duper evil all along" 10 years later
Mapleshade and Tigerstar are perhaps one of my top two favorite villains. Of course, put them in front of me and I will happily beat them up for doing awful things. Tigerstar is written amazingly! As for Mapleshade, her book isn't great (I'll need to reread it maybe too just to know how bad), but her motivations make a lot of sense. Her whole Clan turned on her, kicked her out. Instead of helping, both her supposed friend and scummy mate (and his Clanmates) watched on as she struggled to get her kits across (imo, Apple and those Clanmates should have been punished for breaking a code regarding those poor kits). Then they dragged her out, and ridiculed her then chased her back out. Is murder the answer to any of that? Absolutely not. But she's already a villain, and is meant to be a villain. She just got hit with like, a million horrible events with no time to process it and no one to confide in that she can trust. (Some may say the random barn cat--but she JUST lost everything in one day, and she was taught not to trust or confide in non-Clan cats. Also he felt so random, useless, and out of place if irc. Book would be better without him to solidify that aloneness some more.) I shall scuttle away from my podium now, that was not meant to be super long but, never got to properly tangent about Mapleshade till now. *wheeze*
I really want to like Ivypool but the fandom has just ruined her for me with all the needless Dovewing hate. I think the sisters have a lot of the same flaws that haters of either sister like to point out. But I feel like I’ve seen so many more people put Ivy on a pedestal and hate on Dove and that’s honestly made me resent Ivypool more. I’m trying to get over this bias and understand why other people love her so much (and then maybe I can appreciate her character) but the fandom has made that so difficult.
Dovewing drove me crazy when I first read the series because I was so used to reading Hollyleaf's POV, and I thought that Dovewing was a bit of a Mary-Sue in contrast. But now that I'm older and Dovewing has developed, I really like her- especially because of her role in Tigerheartstar's novel and the later books. However Ivypool still brings me a lot of joy and I love them both.
I have to agree about the unnecessary Dovewing/Ivypool arguments but I once had eight different people breathing down my neck simply for saying I like Ivypool. I guess weird hate is on both sides.
@@CreatureCreations- Yeah, I tried to highlight that in my comment, I’ve just seen it manifest more with people hating on Dovewing in my experience. And I will say, I’ve only read Ivy as an apprentice. So a lot of my dislike for her comes from how cruel she is to Dovepaw who only ever tries to give to their relationship. I know she supposedly gets better and from what I’ve heard, so goes through a lot of growth. But the unnecessary hate of dove while putting Ivy on a pedestal for many of the same issues Ivy has has likely forever soured my feelings on Ivy.
I would like Grey Wing...if the narrative actaully treated him as though he were morally grey. Conceptually, I want to like Grey Wing (and Clear Sky), but the author's seemed afriad to actaully write him as though he was ever anything other than wise and in the right. Its not that i dont like morally grey characters, i just wish the Erins would write morally grey characters that are actaully treated as morally grey.
@@ladykatie8204 You're totally right. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a video not about the new book wouldn't have spoilers about the new book. Even if it is from the same franchise.
I hate Ashfur with a burning passion, his actions were not justified at all, I don’t understand why Star clan even let him in before he did all that. He still threatened to kill the prophesied 3 just because he was jealous Squirrelflight chose Brambleclaw. Although I do hate Brambleclaw a lot. But Bristlefrost didn’t need to die like that I’m still pissed off about that.
Yellowfang haters are probably mad about her StarClan appearances rather than how she was when she was alive. Or haters of her super edition. Arc 1 Yellowfang is a pretty unanimously loved character. Unlike arc 1 Bluestar, whose mental breakdown really divides the fandom on whether she's a good character or not. I'm on the side of thinking she's one of the most *interesting*. Brambleclaw's worst crime to me is being disappointing. He has this whole arc about not becoming like his father, then he... trains with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the dark forest? He's scared of being too ambitious, but then he gets to be leader and everyone loves him. A huge emotional drive of the Broken Code arc is trying to get him back to the living, but it's kind of unbelievable that Squirrelflight still loves him that much after how he's treated her. Saying he's better than Ashfur is damning by faint praise.
As for Yellowfang, I didn't take part in the vote but I really don't like her. It's not that deep for me honestly, she's just old and grumpy which just isn't my cup of tea. I also feel like the books really tried to make her look gross with the knotted fur and yellow teeth and stuff. It kinda icks me out. Her in StarClan was pretty much just worse. But I wouldn't really call myself a Yellowfang hater, I do get why people like her. She's just really not for me.
Was surprised to see Needletail so low on the list. She was responsible for me no longer reading the latest books (though, what they've put out about Moonpaw is tempting me). Seeing her be treated as a valiant but mislead cat rather the irresponsible jerk she came across as infuriated me. I was kinda hoping Bramble wouldn't rank #1 (hopelessly attached to this guy since childhood because my first set of books was TNP) but it wasn't unexpected. The number of villains high on the list did surprise me, though. Unless a villain does something particularly infuriating or I find them very poorly written, I usually don't care too much. They're villains. They're gonna be bad people and do bad things. Duh.
I read a portion of TBC, but I never finished the arc. I stopped after The Silent Thaw. Up until AvoS, I had read every single arc from start to finish at least once. Since I haven't completed an arc since AvoS (and actually haven't touched ASC at all), I consider AvoS to be the arc I "stopped reading" Warriors at.
I think she's both mislead and an irresponsible jerk, but she's a very messy character in a good way that makes her more compelling, like with Hollyleaf. Also most people either haven't read or forgot AVOS so that explains her being lower than more popular first arc cats.
Same my first books were the new prophecy and I grew really attached to bramble! I like the Brambleclaw that is from the new prophecy not the new one that is abusive to squirrel
@@Mrnnkiah alright. Avos was my least favorite series, probably, but The Broken code emotionally destroyed me so it made me get over the series before it. Honestly, I don't remember most of what happened in AVOS
I dislike squrrielstar for what she did to nightheart. Like how she treated him on his tests to be a warrior. But also thistle claw deserved 1st place how’d brambleclaw beat him vro.
bramblestar is in nearly every single main series book while thistleclaw only appears explicitly in novellas and super editions. brambleclaw is more hated because he is more well known.
It's definitely a weird dissonance between fandom, the writing, and the intentions of the writers. I definitely don't think Brambleclaw is deserving of #1 though, especially above characters like Thistleclaw, Rainflower, Tom, etc. Clear Sky and Sandgorse actually embody more of the character that people hate when they think of Brambleclaw imo, both are a lot worse than him without it ever being addressed / resolved fully (a little arguable with Clear Sky, but since it fell flat for many readers I think it's a fair point). I don't know if people remember Sandgorse all that well, but the way he treated Tallstar and the effect his verbal and emotional abuse had (especially after his death) literally made me sob my eyes out as a child when I read Tallstar's revenge. There's for sure quite a few issues with how Brambleclaw is written and I agree wholeheartedly with a lot of the points people bring up, but also a lot of it is blown a little out of proportion. I really don't think the writers ever intended for him to be that way and it's moreso the result of poor writing. But mainly I really love Bramblekit/Bramblepaw and he adds unique value to those early books. Kinda makes me wish they had written a different story for him or Brackenfur'ed him, but oh well
14:04 i've heard the issue isn't her being overrated, it's cuz she's overUSED. she's relevant to just about every little thing. kinda makes you wonder why she needed 9 lives after al the crap she went through with just 1
@@yay29823the difference between Mothwing and Squirrelflight is that Mothwing doesn't get pushed to the center of attention. Sure, she had relevance a lot, but she's not usually in the middle of drama like Squirrelflight is.
@@moonliteevee It's so weird to me the concept of not liking a character because their relevancy remains consistent, but sure, it's way better than what the reply above mine says
I'm always happy to vote for these videos! Also Akira your usually really good for warning about spoilers from new books but you said who was the new RiverClan leader and i was kinda dissapointed since i hadn't had the chance to pick up star and i was excited to see who the new leader would be by reading the book
As a certified Squirrelflight Hater ™, a lot of it is because the fandom hardly ever acknowledges how she's written in the actual text. They will go out of their way to say x or y isn't canon ("no, she took the three out of the goodness of her own heart, canon doesn't exist!" "i'm going to ignore her telling Jayfeather he can't blame her and to blame Leafpool," etc) but don't want to like her for her entire personality. Ironically, I LIKE actual canon Squirrelflight. Headstrong, bold, but above all... self-serving. Her taking the three for her own wants? Canon. Her yelling at old man, sickly Blackstar in his own camp while Bramblestar tells her to stop? Canon. Her telling Jayfeather not to blame her because it was Leafpool? Canon. Her refusing to support Sunbeam outright in wanting to help her family, to potentially save face politically? Canon. And none of that makes her a bad character. In fact, "above all, I and mine need to survive," is one of my favorite traits in a character. And Squirrel has it in bucket loads - that's why she was willing to go completely nuclear during the fire scene and jumped there so fast. Sure, there could have been other ways out of the situation, but getting out quickly and all four of them surviving was the important part. But the fandom just holding up this version of Squirrelflight that doesn't exist and worshiping it as the best is soooo irritating. And this isn't from a place of Brambleclaw or Ashfur love - in fact, I dislike both of them, and their existence means very little for how I feel about Squirrelflight, as the reasons I dislike her are almost completely fandom-based. If the fandom didn't exist she'd probably rank higher for me, though TNP Squirrel would still be one of my least favorite characters of all time.
THIS, I completely agree with this. Squirrelflight is extremely morally gray, and the fact that the fandom tries to portray her as this “Badass Queen who can do no wrong” is mildly infuriating,.
this is just proving my point that the Dovewing hate, though much much better than it used to be, is NOT at all gone, even in the slightest. like Akira said, a lot of fans here watch Moonkitti and I know Akira likes Dove too. yet she STILL managed to get in the top 20. a few years ago, she would have gotten 1st without question. it's really sad, she's a good and relatable character that did nothing wrong. JUSTICE FOR DOVEWING.
As A Dovewing disliker who tries their hardest to like her all I can say this (sigh) JUSTICE FOR DOVEWING !! (Because as much as I don’t like her that much she Fr isn’t that bad 😭)
We shouldn't just blame the Mapleshade fans for Ravenwing being here, I don't particularly like her but he's garbage. Yes, he's a medicine cat but he was well aware of the fact that young kittens would be exiled and did nothing to stop Oakstar even though as his medicine cat he had all power to. Appledusk and Frecklewish were innocent but Ravenwing was not.
I probably haven't read Maple shade's vengeance that good but that's a pretty valid point frecklewish is not Innocent in my opinion. There is a rule in the warrior code that states that no cat must neglect a kit in need even if that kit is from another clan. I honestly think she deserves it but it's my opinion.
Me: as long as Crowfeather doesn't get 20 votes I'm happy. Me: Alright as long as he does get 30 votes I'm happy. Me: as long as he isn't in the top 20 I'm happy. Me : as long as he isn't in the top 10 I'm happy. HE'S ONLY 19TH PLACE :D
“11th most hated cat bad? I don’t think so.” He asked Dovewing about having kits at Purdy’s FUNERAL. That by itself probably gets him a lot of hate because of how tone-deaf and disrespectful that is.
Me, nodding: Uh huh. I get it, well loved characters in the fandom are bound to also have some haters. Nothing to do about it. *notices someone voted Badgerfang* WHO VOTES FOR BADGERFANG????
I genuinely don’t like tigerstar because of how he died, I don’t hate him, I just think it’s anticlimactic to have him killed by another villain without putting up a fight, also it’s kind off annoying that the 1st arc had 3 main villains, not counting dark stripe though cause he’s just a villain to sorrelkit 😢
i forgot to vote and am so mad about that 💀💀 but if i could’ve i would’ve definitely voted for dovetail and squirrelstar , im worried now that one of their die hard fans will show up at my door 🙏
@@sawtist I respect that you dislike both of them. Personally I love Squirrelstar and DESPISE Bramblestar. It’s fine that you don’t like both, just my personal preference for voting on who you dislike would be Bramblestar if I were in your shoes.
Brambleclaw being first surprised me a bit. I get it, he’s definitely a dislikable character as of Squirrelflight’s Hope, which is the only warriors book I’ve ever stopped reading out of frustration (towards his horrid behaviour), but I don’t think he’s nearly as hate-able as some characters. I was surprised he ranked higher than Thistleclaw and Rainflower. He was interesting in TNP. He’s been emotionally abusive and Squirrelstar should break up with him, but as I mentioned I think he at least had some interesting arcs earlier on, which spares him from being a character I unequivocally dislike. It’s more mixed feelings for me personally. I am very glad Clear Sky/Skystar was second place. I am a proud Clear Sky hater. LOL (Side Note: My favourite highly-hated characters are Tigerstar 2.0 and Dovewing. I’m 19 and a lot of my opinions formed when I read the books at 7-14 though since I haven’t reread the older ones since then so this could have changed lol.)
Wasn't surprised at all. The poll is usually Akira's main audience which is also cross over of Bliximi and Moonkitti, all those creators are very big Squirrel, and Leaf lovers which into turn their main audience tends to be. I was 100% expecting Bramble to be #1. That being said I do think it's only because if the limited audience polled. I do not think if the larger fanbase was polled he'd be #1, top 10 for sure and probably top 5 but 1? I dont see how you argue Ashfur is better than Bramble in any realm. People just like Squirrel so their hate for Bramble is amplified. I'm not a Bramble lover, to me he is pretty boring and both cats in SquirrelXBramble are problematic, obviously Brmable is worse but neither are good for each other. People get mad that Bramble was mad at Squirrel for lying about Holly, Jay, and Lion. That is a reasonable thing to be mad about. And honestly I think it would have been a great place to end their relationship. I'm not someone who likes Squirrel, I think fandom Squirrel is infinitely more likeable than canon Squirrel so maybe that just makes my hate in Bramble a bit less idk. Obviously everyone is bias but I think there's so many worse cats worthy of that #1 and truly think it's mainly just bias of the polled group. Most of these comments are just about Squirrel, which just goes to show how many of the viewers love her. I dont understand how Squirrel lovers dont vote Ash more, my main guess is that he is dead now while we still have to tolerate Bramble. For me it's just so hard to hate purely for the relationship thing because I truly believe most of it is just really really bad writing execution. The side characters always act like the relationship is just one of those 'push each other buttons but love each other' type of trope, which I do truly think is the intent. But in true Warriors Cats writing fashion they forget to actually show the 'love' part and only show the 'push each others buttons' so it comes out as this truly toxic horrible to read relationship. I think the writers are stating to see their fail and pushing Bramble to the side, I just wish they broke them up earlier (I do love Alderheart so maybe after he was born). If I'm honest I'm so tired of the cats from the second series I'm not inclined to read until they are all dead. Aside from Crow I dont think they were that intresting espically Squirrel and Bramble. They have had enough spotlight
From what I've seen, it's way more likely for a Squilf lover to like Ashfur as well, but hate Bramble. It's a weird phenomenon, but I've seen it a lot. Over the top of my head I can remember two content creators who are like this: Moonkitti is the most obvious one. She Loves squirreflight, and she has said many times she really likes Ashfur. Akira loves Squilf as well, and I'm pretty sure has put Ashfur on the top of the list of best villains @@finnsnow2495
Me looking at the poll remembering I can't use my rewrite and how strange it would look to say I ship Stormfur with Cherrytail (Midnight tells them to save SkyClan and then move the clans)
Longtail deserved better, yes at the first few books he was a brat, but he litterally found out that one of his best friends was veil and he was getting better, then they decided to say Let’s blind him and not even add it to a the main part of the series, and he was litterally blind and traveled over the mountains, and in the wiki, said he was one of the most eager to keep going and never got tired.
Personally I actually always liked Darkstripe specifically because he is an uncool villain. The way the narrative just kept walking all over him, especially in later books, made him more entertaining to me. It's kind of a "you love to hate him" relationship lol
Okay, so, Daisy. I LOVE her, so I'm sad she got voted. And I gotta disagree with ya, Akira, Bluestar was SO interesting throughout the books, be it "Bluestar's Prophecy" or, my personal favourite, "A Dangerous Path". And lastly, I voted Tigerstar (Tigerclaw), not because he's a bad villain, but because he's evil and he totally destroyed Bluestar. She got a sort of dementia BECAUSE of him. And Tigerstar just cause so much destruction, and he killed Brindleface. He really made me sad throughout the books, even though his death was really scary and sad. But overall, thank you Akira!
Bramble is an amazing character, he is not abusive and was a great leader until he suffered PTSD. The fact that those are opinions of Squirrelstar, their Clanmates, Squirrel's parents, rest of StarClan, and the authors themselves should have made this clear. He and Squirrel aren't perfect, neither as couple nor as themselves, they have flows (I would argue that Squirrelstar had more of those) but that's what makes them so great and interesting compared to all the other relationships^^
He was soooo boring and mean compared to Bramblepaw, sorry not sorry. And couples that always fight like Squirrel and Bramble aren't cute, they're toxic af.
12:32 nah keep Pinestar away from kids, the further away from apprentices the better. Weirdo feel in a love with a kid then cat married her as soon as she became a warrior.
(note: this comment spoils who gets first place) (this is NOT hate, im just gently saying this) I’m actually really surprised Brambleclaw got 1st place. I get _why_ he has haters, he can be pretty bad to Squilf sometimes, and he has made pretty questionable life choices. But there are so many cats way worse then him (Like Thistleclaw, Onestar, Leopardstar, Blackstar, etc) who I think are way more deserving of the title…. But that’s just my own personal opinion.
Honestly, I expected someone like Clearsky or Tom to be on the top :/. I’m mentioning this for literally no reason, but my feelings on Bramblestar… ehh I like how being in the DF effected him but before hand he was pretty boring ngl lol-
I feel like the Gray Wing and Hollyleaf take is a bit disingenuous because Hollyleaf can be incredibly annoying early on with her writing and constant fretting about the warrior code, it’s so down your throat. As for gray wing, he was awful towards jagged peak and turtle tail for such nothing issues and then constantly excused clear sky’s actions
Agreed, about Hollyleaf. I voted for her, not because she's morally gray or whatever, but because you can substitute everything she says before she dies with "B-b-but what about the warrior code?!?!" and you would still get the same result. Frankly, she's not even that morally gray. She killed someone who tried to kill her and her siblings first, and then very obviously intended to ruin their lives when he failed.
I don't think Brambleclaw deserve all the hate. Almost all the people who hate them are always behind fandom opinion. I used to hate him too but then I read the books and he wasn't bad tbh. My boy deserves compression
I kinda agree. I have issues with how he's written and I understand the sentiment but... #1 is insane, the hate is blown way out of proportion for what's actually written in the books themselves (at least in comparsion to other characters).
Ugh same. I’m so thoroughly sick of watching people assume malicious intentions from him in literally every situation. Some people seem to think that the only possible motivation he could ever have is to hurt Squirrelflight.
He got pretty boring after he became leader, I liked him in arcs 1 and 3 much better Also he had this whole thing in tnp about being afraid of becoming like his dad (and being afraid of being ambitious) and then he throws it all away to go train with tigerstar and hawkfrost in the dark forest pretty much instantly
ranking brambleclaw as worse than a literal child groomer (thistleclaw) or an attempted kit murderer (darkstripe) is absolutely insane like you can tell brambleclaw was only rated the worst because of braindead moonkitti fans
Me hearing the sentence "do not be upset if ur fav character is the most hated or something I can't remember the sentence" Me: knowing that my fav character is brokenstar
@@BR3AK.66 Shrewtooth was like, one of the only bright spots in Skyclan's Destiny for me and I'm so sad it seems the writing team just forgot he existed
Your theory on Appledusk is completely wrong and lacks media comprehension. He never lacked empathy when his own children died. While I don't condone cheating in the slightest, and while it isn't relevant at all to our conversation of grief, I would like to note that he did in fact love both of his mates. Him risking his life to nearly drown for Mapleshade and their kits says it all. Him jumping to take the killing blow for Reedshine and laying down his life says it all. Before the exile events occurred, when he met Mapleshade at the river and saved Patchkit, the text notes that while he's speaking to her, there is a deep, deep longing in his eyes, which does show that he cares and loves her despite it all. He tells her that he’s proud of her and that she and their kits are strong. Does not that say enough about how much he admired her? Boiling him down to a simple cheater with no other personality traits is ridiculous and shows a lot of peoples lack of reading comprehension. "Well, if he loved her, he wouldn't have.-“ These are cats. Just because they have sentient-level human thoughts does not mean you should go applying human morals and actions to them when they don't know what that is. The only thing from human society they understand is murder. Appledusk risked his own life to jump into a flash-flooded river to save Mapleshade and stayed with her to comfort her when he brought her onto the bank. He was willing to jump in that river again when she told him their kids were trapped. Moving onto his grief because I need to explain this in as much depth and my own analysis as possible since people don't seem to understand a character's nuance or what that word even means. When Appledusk returns to her after trying to save their kits, the text notes that Mapleshade wouldn't see his expression and that he came wordless and didn't speak to her while taking her to their children. He had completely shut down, which is a factor also caused by grief. From my own experience of grieving and going through different stages, shutting down is a common thing that occurs in those grieving who can't feel anything other than intense sadness. Appledusk shutting down and turning Mapleshade away wasn't written in just for him to be an asshole. That wouldn't make sense considering the very obvious theme of this book. It's written to show how differently grief can affect others. Anyone would shut down if they had to witness the sodden corpses of children, especially if it was the parent themselves. During chapter four, before getting to RiverClan camp, Appledusk remained quiet and despondent until after he heard Mapleshade admit that she had purposefully led their children into a flooded river during a storm despite what he had told her early about keeping them away from the river to ensure their safety. He isn't aware of the full situation of what happened back in ThunderClan; therefore, his actions and grief are motivated solely by what he knows. Appledusk's talking tone is shifted to being stunned, which is being shocked. It's as if your heart is dropping because you've just learned of a terrible situation or truth. Earlier in the book, Appledusk displays a great concern for the lives of Mapleshade and their kittens if ThunderClan were to find out the truth. They both willingly risked their own lives and the lives of their kittens to keep seeing each other despite how cruel the warrior code is. Which I should add, neither of them is in the wrong, and neither deserved to be punished. I believe this is why he referred to his actions as being a mistake, because otherwise, if he and Mapleshade had never gotten infatuated or just been more careful, then their innocent children wouldn't have had to suffer. Not sure how anyone interpreted this as him calling his wife and children mistakes, but that also just proves the point that this fandom doesn't have good media literacy. You could understand every character's POV and emotions if you just read back on some parts of the book or just took the time to actually understand each of their grief and how they handled it. The book also notes that Mapleshade almost winced at the pain in Appledusk's eyes when he says that. He doesn't hate Mapleshade or his children; he never did, but his grief caused him to think irrationally and not clearly think the situation through, and his grief prevented him from actually wanting to understand why Mapleshade did what she did. "I should have never betrayed my clan by meeting with Mapleshade" is a thing he says out of grief because his meeting with Mapleshade led to so many conflicting actions that harmed those around them that didn't deserve it. In fact, their meetings ended up hurting each other. Mapleshade's recklessness cost them their lives and their precious babies, which Appledusk then views as it being her fault and views her as a killer, which isn't a bad thing. It's an irrational response, and he feels that he hasn't had time to process the events happening. It's why he tells Darkstar he will regret everything he did because all it did was, in the long run, unexpectedly come back to hit him in the ass when StarClan ire killed their children. When Appledusk explains why Mapleshade and their kits were here, the text notes that his voice falters. To falter means that the speaker cannot speak normally because they're feeling emotions too intense for them to understand, which is an action also caused by grief. The pale brown warrior shook his head. “Why should I? It’s your fault that these kits are dead. I never want to see you again.” I will repeat this point again that Appledusk is refusing to help her because of the intense grief he feels. "It's your fault that these kids are dead; I never want to see you again" is a thought and emotion that stems entirely from his grief, not because he wants to "save his own ass" or wants to "suck up." Which to add during this, he never tried to defend himself when Darkstar was planning to exile him. It was Reedshine and Reedshine only. Meaning that he wouldn't have cared if he was cast out with Mapleshade as well. I do think that if he had been exiled, either way, he wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near Mapleshade. Appledusk is the only character (besides Myler) who showed Mapleshade any sympathy for what happened. He feels sympathy because he had time to calm down from his grief; he refuses to harm her and only tells her to leave because he still cares for her. She is his past mate, the mother of his children, and someone he deeply trusted and still even admired. He obviously doesn't hold any more ill will toward her anymore unlike Frecklewish because he has time to calm down over the intense grief he felt losing his children, and he understands that she is hurting too.
Appledusk never jumped in the river to save her? She got out and couldn’t save her kits, she then went to riverclan where she saw Appledusk WITH HIS OTHER MATE and then he turned her away so he could be “loyal to his mate”. He sucks. If he even cared about mapleshade, then he would’ve done something, or better yet, not cheated.
@@0MGITSPANDAYou never read the book and it’s so painfully obvious. He jumped into the river and dragged her out with the help of his clan mates. He rejected mapleshade because her wreckless actions cost their children their lives, and They’re cats. Cheating isn’t a thing.
@ ok, he did go into the water, sorry, it’s been a while since I’ve read it, but it doesn’t make him any less of a scum. He waits a bit before he does, cheats on maple shade and doesn’t care to visit her, and doesn’t care about maple shade when the kits die. He sucks. You can’t change my mind
14:51 eh Crow can be attributed to the fact that originally he was negligent and abusive from what Jayfeather saw in Breezepelts emotions. He did get retconed to not be that though... which well You can say he isn't and never was now... but you still originally wrote him like that and that bitter taste lingers.
I think some villians are up there not just because people don't like him, but because they find them a bad written villian. I feel like Sol wasnt a really well written imo
I know Lionblaze is unpopular but in my opinion he's been redeemed in the latest books, where he's portrayed as a bloodthirsty freak. The TRUE worst warrior cats are the boring ones, and Lionblaze is no longer boring, QED
Who voted Badgerfang and Wishkit?? 😭
Yea who voted a literal child that died cruelly
Edit: not to be that guy- TOO BAD THANKING PEOPLE IS NICE (I think) ty for 37 likes :)
Edit 2: wow uhm- I’m lost for words but ty for 64 likes :D
And snowkit.
Whoever voted badgerfang wishkit snowkit snowtuft antpelt are just wrong
@@NovaRaptor14 and princess who has beef with princess?.?
@@Lazymediasiblingsoh Srry forgot about her😅I kinda forgot a lot because I lost the book I was on so I stopped reading till I got a new one
I think the people who voted Snowkit were mad about the ableism behind his role in the story rather than hating Snowkit himself. Like a vote for him was a vote for "why did you put a deaf character in the book just to kill him?" That or they're trolling
my thoughts exactly! I think it makes a lot of sense to dislike a character for how they were handled
How is that ableist? I do agree that killing him off was pointless and honestly distracted from everything else, but I don’t see how that’s ableist.
@@MrOceMcCool Making a disabled character literally just to kill off doesn't sound ableist to you?
wouldve happened though. a deaf animal being carried off by a hawk doesnt seem abliest, its nature
@@whiskerburrtangle Look, this isn't an attack, because I used to think along similar lines, and I think this attitude is pretty common in the fandom. But you're using realism & nature to defend the writing choices of a book series that is famously unrealistic.
Real cats form loose colonies where the males leave as they mature, nothing as structured as a Clan. Real cats do not practice monogamy. Real cats do not have a concept of medicine or religion. Never mind the more outright fantastical elements, like their religion actually being 100% true or some cats having magical powers.
And to be clear, the series having these traits is not a bad thing! It's what makes warriors fun and engaging. But the question that was put to me, and now I'm putting to you is this: if you can accept, even enjoy, these blatantly unrealistic elements, does it not seem hypocritical to use realism or nature to defend the writing choices around Snowkit? That you're able to suspend your disbelief for polyglot ghost badgers, but not for the idea a deaf kitten might have made it past his childhood?
Honestly, if Snowkit had been hearing, that scene would have worked just as well. Hearing kittens in the wild do get carried off by hawks and other predators. They didn't, and that was a choice. Writing him as deaf only to kill him off within a few chapters shows an unconscious bias on the author's part that deaf characters, and by extension, deaf people, are more expendable. That's the ableist part. (Especially given that Snowkit is still the only character out of thousands who was born deaf, and didn't become deaf as he aged. Statistically, that's just. Extremely unlikely. Unrealistic, we might say.)
As a fandom, we can do better than accepting conditional realism. We can do better than only caring about "nature" when it's time to justify killing a disabled character.
I appreciate the fact that you actually accepted "Sol's father" as an entry dispite him literally not being a character unless I'm horribly mistaken.
he is most definitely a character, mentioned often by Sol's mother and appearing in the book, but honestly I found that out from the wiki so I get not realizing.
He is genuinely the worst tho, reread skyclan and the stranger. he just goes to cinders like "We're getting divorced, cry about it"
Any cat who has a character profile on the warrior wiki counted, and Sol's father has one
He is mentioned in Skyclan and the Stranger.
He is in skyclan and The stranger and apparently on the wiki his name is whisper??
Acorn fur getting ZERO vote for both most hated and liked be like:
Thx for all the likes:)
Mid lol
very mid
probably because she talks like twice LMAOO
@@CrimmyCrimLikesMurderDrones I love Acorn Fur
Wait, does that mean no one rembers Acorn?LOL who is Acorn again?
SO HAPPY WE GOT TOM INTO THE TOP 10!!!
bro deserves it
EW I HATE TOM WITH MY LIFE CLENCHES FIST
GRRR YEAHHH WE HATE TOM HERE
I'd be literally SCARED if somebody is actually a FAN of HIM 😭😭
@ he is in dawn of the clans
(Won’t let me @ people for some reason-) Tom is a character from DOTC, he’s the worst.
I feel like Sol is cartoonishly evil, like he would totally rub his paws together while scheming
It's giving muahehehehehehe 😈
New headcannon
Anyone who voted for a character that few people hate, explain your reasoning! I'll go first!
I hate Hailstar because he's treated like a wise and good leader but in reality he's pathetic. He fails to fight back for Sunning Rocks or Willowbreeze and Graypool untill much later but mostly I hate how he treated Crookedkit. He acts all sorry for changing his name when in reality he could've just said no to Rainflower. The leader's word is law, afterall. At least Rainflower's interesting.
Wait that's so true lol, I didn't even think about that! I Hate Jayfeather cause even when cats are trying to help him, he gets mad, I know that's part of his character but it can get annoying.
I voted for Arc and Turtle tail, and my reasonings are that Arc came across as super pushy and like he felt entitled to Riverstar and his help and he wasn’t even acting as a great friend or mentor and almost killed them all a few times 😂
Turtle tail also came across as kinda pushy and sassy to gray wing for not realizing she liked him when she never told him and I never forgave her for being angry at gray wing when he pushed the kits off him because he couldn’t breathe 😭😂 and I just liked Slate better
Not the biggest gray wing fan ever either tho lolol
i hate stemleaf so much, reason: BECAUSE BRISTLEFROST WAS DENIED, stemleaf denied bristlefrost. and bristlefrost X stemleaf would be a great ship. and bristlefrost is my baby girl
@@Softwing_ ...HOW DARE YOU, HE IS JUST INDEPENDENT. ITS NOT ANNOYING....ITS DRAMATIC, HES SENSITIVE AND HAS ANGER ISSUES, MY 2ND FAV CAT CANT BE DENIED
@@lynnbissonnette I don't hate everything about him. But rlly sometimes it gets on my nerves. I respect your opinion tho.
BRO WHY PEOPLE HATE BRIGHTHEART?! She’s literally the best she-cat in the series! Dang, I’m surprised Firestar is that hated.😕
honestky I liked brightheart until I read about cloudtail.. sure swiftoaw died but you could’ve done so much better.
The only things that came to mind is the Daisy/Cloudtail/Brightheart thing (no idea on why someone would hate her for that though), and her mentorship of Jaypaw/feather I guess?? Idk just guessing here
People might hate firestar because they feel the idea of a cat having alot plot armour. Its just a guess btw so yeah
@@xxratsrcutexx3494 true the jayfeather fans may not like her as much but i like them both so idk-
i completely agree
I just can‘t get over the fact that Jayfeather is more hated than Sleekwisker qwq
Sleekwhisker is a jerk but she's also a girlboss. Her bad adittude makes her fun. As for Jayfeather, he can be grating at times and the fandom is over saturated with his fan content so it's kinda understandable. I honestly don't have much of an opinion on him.
@@applesplashwarriorcats8339 She's a murderer who is allowed back into Shadowclan for no reason, that's my point of view on her.
i think it's because more people have read books with jayfeather in them than sleekwhisker as she appears way later, plus jayfeather is pretty polarising on his own anyway
@@Lobbyhoe_Ruhn너 I like Jayfeather nowadays, but the only reason is due to his Barnes and Noble exclusive chapter where it added a lot of depth to his character. I thought he was insufferable as a kid when I read POT and OOTS… in a more recent read through I actually enjoyed his character though
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Well it's not her fault ShadowClan was that stupid 😂
Badgerfang I will defend your honor!
YO! I’m so happy to be one of the 1598 people who voted!
Edit: Ik everyone says this but thank you guys for 100 likes!
Me too!
Same here :)
Same here
Same! 😊
I definitely agree with the Brambleclaw hate, but imo Thistleclaw should have been the most hated.
Naah Darkstripe or Tom. At least Thistleclaw is interesting
Ain’t no way this got in my recommended 28 SECONDS after it was posted 😭
2 mins for me >:(
Same!
11 for me
Ain't no way I'd see you here lol
22 minutes :(
Hear me out-switch brambleclaw and thistleclaw. Please. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Please, thistle deserves it more
Yes brambleclaw was at least okay when he was in the new prophecy that's when I actually liked him should I have not read spotted leaves heart but thistleclaw sounds... Just.... Meanie >:C
Me: I wish Akira could post the most hated cats soon
Akira: *Everyone’s most hated cats video*
Me: HELL YEAH!
Edit: this is the most likes I’ve gotten :) THANK YOU.
Edit: Not to be that person, but thank you for likes. This is the most I’ve ever gotten rlly.
Edit: OMG I’M GETTING MORE LIKES
I was just thinking, “hmmm when will Akira post it I’m so bored…”
Me: *opens youtube*
Akira: Everyone’s most hated warrior Cat character
@@WaterDragon2725 lol
Yoo same bro, I was like "it's Saturday, that means that people will be posting more," then I see this an I literally screamed
4:04 there is no way people hate Crookedstar >:(
Bro I love crookedstar
My reaction actually:
I mean he did a lot of unnecessary battles that end up killing his own brother just for a dumb pride quest
hes my fav
@@Amanecer458Except his brother was actually murdered. He would've survived the battle if it weren't for Tigerclaw doing that.
21:59 he absolutely deserved 2nd place, he literally did so much wrong. I bet the only reason he got into starclan was because they couldn’t put a founding leader into the dark forest
All the 122 people that voted Tigerheart, and 128 people that voted Dovewing are my sworn enemies, may we never meet.
Probably huge overlap there.
My poor Dovewing lol!
I don't hate Dove but I think she's kind of annoying because I'm an ivypool and well it doesn't matter but like I I mainly like ivypool better
A G R E E D. Dovewing and Tigerheart are my favorites in the whole seriess I love them both sm
@@MatthewChase-nh9lrAgreed. Interesting as an actual character (ish) but that’s really all she has going for her imo. And Tigerheart just sucks. Hope he’s gone by the next series
I can’t believe the ACTUAL P3D0 is only number 5. Dude should have been #1
Well, the guy who attempted an actual genocide is only at number 9.
See, villains are characters you're meant to dislike. They're doing their job if you hate them.... But a poorly written character the writers kiss the ass of while the character is just a god-awful person is.... infuriating.
im sorry but i enjoy morally wrong characters, they keep things interesting
nah thistleclaw defenders are valid. he used to be surprisingly well-liked cause bluestar's prophecy didn't actually give us proper reasons for why he was so "evil" so the erins got mad at his fans and retconned him into the worst kind of person they could think of to go "SEE?? he WAS super duper evil all along" 10 years later
Honestly I liked Thisleclaw in Blustars prophecy, I honestly like the sort of bluestar and Thisleclaw rivalry
My issue with Mapleshade is the same one I have with some of her fans: thinking that Mapleshade did nothing wrong!
Fr they literally missed the point of the book
Yes! Imo, everyone was horrible but she also gave in to the evil
Mapleshade and Tigerstar are perhaps one of my top two favorite villains. Of course, put them in front of me and I will happily beat them up for doing awful things. Tigerstar is written amazingly!
As for Mapleshade, her book isn't great (I'll need to reread it maybe too just to know how bad), but her motivations make a lot of sense. Her whole Clan turned on her, kicked her out. Instead of helping, both her supposed friend and scummy mate (and his Clanmates) watched on as she struggled to get her kits across (imo, Apple and those Clanmates should have been punished for breaking a code regarding those poor kits). Then they dragged her out, and ridiculed her then chased her back out.
Is murder the answer to any of that? Absolutely not. But she's already a villain, and is meant to be a villain. She just got hit with like, a million horrible events with no time to process it and no one to confide in that she can trust. (Some may say the random barn cat--but she JUST lost everything in one day, and she was taught not to trust or confide in non-Clan cats. Also he felt so random, useless, and out of place if irc. Book would be better without him to solidify that aloneness some more.)
I shall scuttle away from my podium now, that was not meant to be super long but, never got to properly tangent about Mapleshade till now. *wheeze*
People have to understand that just because a character has a sad story doesn't mean their actions, like murder, are justifiable
@@Blaaaaazeeeeeeeeeee YES THANK YOU, MAPLESHADE WAS NOT INNOCENT AT ALL, I’m glad us as a community are finally starting to see this
WHO IS THAT ONE MOUSEBRAIN THAT VOTED MY PRECIOUS FOXLEAP
My guess is either Stoneteller or Swoop of Chestnut Hawk.
I love Foxleap!!!
NO.. FOXLEAP IS SO GREAT
OMG HI FOXLEAP LOVER, HERE IS ICECLOUD NR 1 FAN!!! THEIR SIBLING RELATIONSHIP IS SO CUTE!!!
brackenfur with 6 is still outrages to me. Like he gets no notice and yet people still hate him
you hate brackenfur I hate you
@ fr
Brackenfur you will forever remain my favorite background cat
@ frrrr
I really want to like Ivypool but the fandom has just ruined her for me with all the needless Dovewing hate. I think the sisters have a lot of the same flaws that haters of either sister like to point out. But I feel like I’ve seen so many more people put Ivy on a pedestal and hate on Dove and that’s honestly made me resent Ivypool more. I’m trying to get over this bias and understand why other people love her so much (and then maybe I can appreciate her character) but the fandom has made that so difficult.
I like Ivypool and Dovewing a lot but sometimes I have to avoid the fandom content of them because all it is is just wars over which sister is better
@@Sourpeaches123 Exactly, people feel the need to compare them way too much.
Dovewing drove me crazy when I first read the series because I was so used to reading Hollyleaf's POV, and I thought that Dovewing was a bit of a Mary-Sue in contrast. But now that I'm older and Dovewing has developed, I really like her- especially because of her role in Tigerheartstar's novel and the later books. However Ivypool still brings me a lot of joy and I love them both.
I have to agree about the unnecessary Dovewing/Ivypool arguments but I once had eight different people breathing down my neck simply for saying I like Ivypool. I guess weird hate is on both sides.
@@CreatureCreations- Yeah, I tried to highlight that in my comment, I’ve just seen it manifest more with people hating on Dovewing in my experience.
And I will say, I’ve only read Ivy as an apprentice. So a lot of my dislike for her comes from how cruel she is to Dovepaw who only ever tries to give to their relationship. I know she supposedly gets better and from what I’ve heard, so goes through a lot of growth. But the unnecessary hate of dove while putting Ivy on a pedestal for many of the same issues Ivy has has likely forever soured my feelings on Ivy.
I would like Grey Wing...if the narrative actaully treated him as though he were morally grey. Conceptually, I want to like Grey Wing (and Clear Sky), but the author's seemed afriad to actaully write him as though he was ever anything other than wise and in the right. Its not that i dont like morally grey characters, i just wish the Erins would write morally grey characters that are actaully treated as morally grey.
Intense sweating that I haven't seen leafpool yet
she has negative haters
you will never see her
Omg a bfdi fan!
10:00
BFDI FAN SPOTTED !!!!
BFDI PFP SPOTTED
Was not ready for a major spoiler in the first three minutes 😖
Right?! I live in a country (Australia) where Star doesn't come out until January, I haven't been able to get a copy wtf. I was really upset
This is why you don't watch warriors content expecting to not get some spoilers 🤷♀️
@@BlueCanaryNightLight ig but it’s a spoiler for the most recent book. I feel like there should’ve at least been a warning or smthng
@@BlueCanaryNightLight I assumed it was safe since the poll came out before Star did, and since the video title was nothing to do with the new book.
@@ladykatie8204 You're totally right. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that a video not about the new book wouldn't have spoilers about the new book. Even if it is from the same franchise.
I hate Ashfur with a burning passion, his actions were not justified at all, I don’t understand why Star clan even let him in before he did all that. He still threatened to kill the prophesied 3 just because he was jealous Squirrelflight chose Brambleclaw. Although I do hate Brambleclaw a lot. But Bristlefrost didn’t need to die like that I’m still pissed off about that.
Yellowfang haters are probably mad about her StarClan appearances rather than how she was when she was alive. Or haters of her super edition. Arc 1 Yellowfang is a pretty unanimously loved character. Unlike arc 1 Bluestar, whose mental breakdown really divides the fandom on whether she's a good character or not. I'm on the side of thinking she's one of the most *interesting*.
Brambleclaw's worst crime to me is being disappointing. He has this whole arc about not becoming like his father, then he... trains with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in the dark forest? He's scared of being too ambitious, but then he gets to be leader and everyone loves him. A huge emotional drive of the Broken Code arc is trying to get him back to the living, but it's kind of unbelievable that Squirrelflight still loves him that much after how he's treated her. Saying he's better than Ashfur is damning by faint praise.
As for Yellowfang, I didn't take part in the vote but I really don't like her. It's not that deep for me honestly, she's just old and grumpy which just isn't my cup of tea. I also feel like the books really tried to make her look gross with the knotted fur and yellow teeth and stuff. It kinda icks me out. Her in StarClan was pretty much just worse. But I wouldn't really call myself a Yellowfang hater, I do get why people like her. She's just really not for me.
She's just kinda overrated imo.
I would’ve voted thistleclaw if I could but I didn’t get to vote
Was surprised to see Needletail so low on the list. She was responsible for me no longer reading the latest books (though, what they've put out about Moonpaw is tempting me). Seeing her be treated as a valiant but mislead cat rather the irresponsible jerk she came across as infuriated me.
I was kinda hoping Bramble wouldn't rank #1 (hopelessly attached to this guy since childhood because my first set of books was TNP) but it wasn't unexpected. The number of villains high on the list did surprise me, though. Unless a villain does something particularly infuriating or I find them very poorly written, I usually don't care too much. They're villains. They're gonna be bad people and do bad things. Duh.
Wait you haven't read the broken code??
I read a portion of TBC, but I never finished the arc. I stopped after The Silent Thaw. Up until AvoS, I had read every single arc from start to finish at least once. Since I haven't completed an arc since AvoS (and actually haven't touched ASC at all), I consider AvoS to be the arc I "stopped reading" Warriors at.
I think she's both mislead and an irresponsible jerk, but she's a very messy character in a good way that makes her more compelling, like with Hollyleaf. Also most people either haven't read or forgot AVOS so that explains her being lower than more popular first arc cats.
Same my first books were the new prophecy and I grew really attached to bramble! I like the Brambleclaw that is from the new prophecy not the new one that is abusive to squirrel
@@Mrnnkiah alright. Avos was my least favorite series, probably, but The Broken code emotionally destroyed me so it made me get over the series before it. Honestly, I don't remember most of what happened in AVOS
I dislike squrrielstar for what she did to nightheart. Like how she treated him on his tests to be a warrior. But also thistle claw deserved 1st place how’d brambleclaw beat him vro.
One word: Moonkitti
bramblestar is in nearly every single main series book while thistleclaw only appears explicitly in novellas and super editions. brambleclaw is more hated because he is more well known.
It's definitely a weird dissonance between fandom, the writing, and the intentions of the writers. I definitely don't think Brambleclaw is deserving of #1 though, especially above characters like Thistleclaw, Rainflower, Tom, etc. Clear Sky and Sandgorse actually embody more of the character that people hate when they think of Brambleclaw imo, both are a lot worse than him without it ever being addressed / resolved fully (a little arguable with Clear Sky, but since it fell flat for many readers I think it's a fair point). I don't know if people remember Sandgorse all that well, but the way he treated Tallstar and the effect his verbal and emotional abuse had (especially after his death) literally made me sob my eyes out as a child when I read Tallstar's revenge.
There's for sure quite a few issues with how Brambleclaw is written and I agree wholeheartedly with a lot of the points people bring up, but also a lot of it is blown a little out of proportion. I really don't think the writers ever intended for him to be that way and it's moreso the result of poor writing. But mainly I really love Bramblekit/Bramblepaw and he adds unique value to those early books. Kinda makes me wish they had written a different story for him or Brackenfur'ed him, but oh well
14:04 i've heard the issue isn't her being overrated, it's cuz she's overUSED. she's relevant to just about every little thing. kinda makes you wonder why she needed 9 lives after al the crap she went through with just 1
As someone who voted for her: it’s actually because of the overrated too, and I personally find her very annoying.
Well, I think Mothwing is overrated, but you won't be seeing me putting her in my list of most hated cats. It shouldn't be a factor at all ngl
@@yay29823the difference between Mothwing and Squirrelflight is that Mothwing doesn't get pushed to the center of attention. Sure, she had relevance a lot, but she's not usually in the middle of drama like Squirrelflight is.
@@moonliteevee It's so weird to me the concept of not liking a character because their relevancy remains consistent, but sure, it's way better than what the reply above mine says
Poor Bramblestar/claw. He’s so hated on.
I'm always happy to vote for these videos! Also Akira your usually really good for warning about spoilers from new books but you said who was the new RiverClan leader and i was kinda dissapointed since i hadn't had the chance to pick up star and i was excited to see who the new leader would be by reading the book
1:23 I LOOKED AT THIS LIST AND SAW FOXY AND FRISK. WHY IS A FNAF AND UNDERTALE CHARACTER IN THIS LIST 😭😭😭
Lionblaze defender to I dieeeee. I understand he’s boring sometimes and has a bit of a temper and is really underused properly but HOP OFF MY BOY 😭
PREACH!!! I WILL DEFEND LIONBLAZE UNTIL I DIE!
1:54 she's chonky, she's beloved by fans, AND she's leader of riverclan? good for her
As a certified Squirrelflight Hater ™, a lot of it is because the fandom hardly ever acknowledges how she's written in the actual text. They will go out of their way to say x or y isn't canon ("no, she took the three out of the goodness of her own heart, canon doesn't exist!" "i'm going to ignore her telling Jayfeather he can't blame her and to blame Leafpool," etc) but don't want to like her for her entire personality. Ironically, I LIKE actual canon Squirrelflight. Headstrong, bold, but above all... self-serving. Her taking the three for her own wants? Canon. Her yelling at old man, sickly Blackstar in his own camp while Bramblestar tells her to stop? Canon. Her telling Jayfeather not to blame her because it was Leafpool? Canon. Her refusing to support Sunbeam outright in wanting to help her family, to potentially save face politically? Canon. And none of that makes her a bad character. In fact, "above all, I and mine need to survive," is one of my favorite traits in a character. And Squirrel has it in bucket loads - that's why she was willing to go completely nuclear during the fire scene and jumped there so fast. Sure, there could have been other ways out of the situation, but getting out quickly and all four of them surviving was the important part. But the fandom just holding up this version of Squirrelflight that doesn't exist and worshiping it as the best is soooo irritating. And this isn't from a place of Brambleclaw or Ashfur love - in fact, I dislike both of them, and their existence means very little for how I feel about Squirrelflight, as the reasons I dislike her are almost completely fandom-based. If the fandom didn't exist she'd probably rank higher for me, though TNP Squirrel would still be one of my least favorite characters of all time.
THIS, I completely agree with this.
Squirrelflight is extremely morally gray, and the fact that the fandom tries to portray her as this “Badass Queen who can do no wrong” is mildly infuriating,.
I also voted for her for this reason.
Also because I personally find her as a character pretty annoying (that’s me though)
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I used to hate her as squirrelpaw but now she’s a pretty decent character
Reading this comment… Squirrelf almost sounds like Princess Caroline
13:43 Firestar, to those 90 people: I would like to have a word with you
I expected the more popular characters to have more hate
Probably cause he's overrated-..
Plus opinion
this is just proving my point that the Dovewing hate, though much much better than it used to be, is NOT at all gone, even in the slightest. like Akira said, a lot of fans here watch Moonkitti and I know Akira likes Dove too. yet she STILL managed to get in the top 20. a few years ago, she would have gotten 1st without question. it's really sad, she's a good and relatable character that did nothing wrong. JUSTICE FOR DOVEWING.
As A Dovewing disliker who tries their hardest to like her all I can say this (sigh) JUSTICE FOR DOVEWING !! (Because as much as I don’t like her that much she Fr isn’t that bad 😭)
We shouldn't just blame the Mapleshade fans for Ravenwing being here, I don't particularly like her but he's garbage.
Yes, he's a medicine cat but he was well aware of the fact that young kittens would be exiled and did nothing to stop Oakstar even though as his medicine cat he had all power to.
Appledusk and Frecklewish were innocent but Ravenwing was not.
Yeah Ravenwing sucks
I probably haven't read Maple shade's vengeance that good but that's a pretty valid point frecklewish is not Innocent in my opinion. There is a rule in the warrior code that states that no cat must neglect a kit in need even if that kit is from another clan. I honestly think she deserves it but it's my opinion.
8:08 WHY IS YELLOWFANG HERE
Right as you brought up Moonkitti I got a notification that she posted a video, it was a funny coincidence
Me: as long as Crowfeather doesn't get 20 votes I'm happy.
Me: Alright as long as he does get 30 votes I'm happy.
Me: as long as he isn't in the top 20 I'm happy.
Me : as long as he isn't in the top 10 I'm happy.
HE'S ONLY 19TH PLACE :D
Omg another Crowfeather lover??
“11th most hated cat bad? I don’t think so.”
He asked Dovewing about having kits at Purdy’s FUNERAL. That by itself probably gets him a lot of hate because of how tone-deaf and disrespectful that is.
12:35 it feels like the version of her from the manga and the one from the books are 2 completely different cats
WHO HATED BRIDTELFROST???
what rank did she get? I didn't see her
No one hates the daughter of ivy pool add the best broken code POV how dare u hater
@@ILoveGodForEver. She ended up ranking up to Deputy, but that was under the impostor's rule
maybe people who were half way through the broken code and learned bristlefrost was helping the imposer
Me, nodding: Uh huh. I get it, well loved characters in the fandom are bound to also have some haters. Nothing to do about it. *notices someone voted Badgerfang* WHO VOTES FOR BADGERFANG????
I genuinely don’t like tigerstar because of how he died, I don’t hate him, I just think it’s anticlimactic to have him killed by another villain without putting up a fight, also it’s kind off annoying that the 1st arc had 3 main villains, not counting dark stripe though cause he’s just a villain to sorrelkit 😢
i forgot to vote and am so mad about that 💀💀 but if i could’ve i would’ve definitely voted for dovetail and squirrelstar , im worried now that one of their die hard fans will show up at my door 🙏
AND TIGERHEARTSTAR ..
Bramble star. He abuses his mate, he neglects his clan and adopted kits, and just boring.
@ i dislike both of them
Let’s hate Squirrelstar together
@@sawtist I respect that you dislike both of them. Personally I love Squirrelstar and DESPISE Bramblestar. It’s fine that you don’t like both, just my personal preference for voting on who you dislike would be Bramblestar if I were in your shoes.
9:37 scourge is just tempest shadow if she never got reformed
What did Juniperclaw, Stonefur, or Whitestorm ever do to y'all?? 😭😭
(Where is my boy Reedwhisker at btw)
Okay, whoever hates Tawnypelt... **puts on boxing gloves** I just want to talk
Brambleclaw being first surprised me a bit. I get it, he’s definitely a dislikable character as of Squirrelflight’s Hope, which is the only warriors book I’ve ever stopped reading out of frustration (towards his horrid behaviour), but I don’t think he’s nearly as hate-able as some characters. I was surprised he ranked higher than Thistleclaw and Rainflower. He was interesting in TNP. He’s been emotionally abusive and Squirrelstar should break up with him, but as I mentioned I think he at least had some interesting arcs earlier on, which spares him from being a character I unequivocally dislike. It’s more mixed feelings for me personally.
I am very glad Clear Sky/Skystar was second place. I am a proud Clear Sky hater. LOL
(Side Note: My favourite highly-hated characters are Tigerstar 2.0 and Dovewing. I’m 19 and a lot of my opinions formed when I read the books at 7-14 though since I haven’t reread the older ones since then so this could have changed lol.)
Wasn't surprised at all. The poll is usually Akira's main audience which is also cross over of Bliximi and Moonkitti, all those creators are very big Squirrel, and Leaf lovers which into turn their main audience tends to be. I was 100% expecting Bramble to be #1. That being said I do think it's only because if the limited audience polled. I do not think if the larger fanbase was polled he'd be #1, top 10 for sure and probably top 5 but 1? I dont see how you argue Ashfur is better than Bramble in any realm. People just like Squirrel so their hate for Bramble is amplified. I'm not a Bramble lover, to me he is pretty boring and both cats in SquirrelXBramble are problematic, obviously Brmable is worse but neither are good for each other. People get mad that Bramble was mad at Squirrel for lying about Holly, Jay, and Lion. That is a reasonable thing to be mad about. And honestly I think it would have been a great place to end their relationship. I'm not someone who likes Squirrel, I think fandom Squirrel is infinitely more likeable than canon Squirrel so maybe that just makes my hate in Bramble a bit less idk. Obviously everyone is bias but I think there's so many worse cats worthy of that #1 and truly think it's mainly just bias of the polled group. Most of these comments are just about Squirrel, which just goes to show how many of the viewers love her.
I dont understand how Squirrel lovers dont vote Ash more, my main guess is that he is dead now while we still have to tolerate Bramble.
For me it's just so hard to hate purely for the relationship thing because I truly believe most of it is just really really bad writing execution. The side characters always act like the relationship is just one of those 'push each other buttons but love each other' type of trope, which I do truly think is the intent. But in true Warriors Cats writing fashion they forget to actually show the 'love' part and only show the 'push each others buttons' so it comes out as this truly toxic horrible to read relationship. I think the writers are stating to see their fail and pushing Bramble to the side, I just wish they broke them up earlier (I do love Alderheart so maybe after he was born). If I'm honest I'm so tired of the cats from the second series I'm not inclined to read until they are all dead. Aside from Crow I dont think they were that intresting espically Squirrel and Bramble. They have had enough spotlight
From what I've seen, it's way more likely for a Squilf lover to like Ashfur as well, but hate Bramble. It's a weird phenomenon, but I've seen it a lot. Over the top of my head I can remember two content creators who are like this: Moonkitti is the most obvious one. She Loves squirreflight, and she has said many times she really likes Ashfur. Akira loves Squilf as well, and I'm pretty sure has put Ashfur on the top of the list of best villains @@finnsnow2495
Me looking at the poll remembering I can't use my rewrite and how strange it would look to say I ship Stormfur with Cherrytail (Midnight tells them to save SkyClan and then move the clans)
11:29 WTFFFF MAYBE Y'ALL FORGET SHE LOST HER MIND FROM TIGERSTAR THE FIRST AND SAVED FIRESTAR💀
Longtail deserved better, yes at the first few books he was a brat, but he litterally found out that one of his best friends was veil and he was getting better, then they decided to say Let’s blind him and not even add it to a the main part of the series, and he was litterally blind and traveled over the mountains, and in the wiki, said he was one of the most eager to keep going and never got tired.
Hell yeah!! Lets see if my voted cats are here!! (I probably dont remember who I voted for)
15:38 DOVEWING…WHAT DID U DO?? WHAT DID YOU DO DOVEWING IM GENUINELY CONFUSED-
I love cars
ah yes, cars
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Oh I love cars totally not cats
Warrior cars my favorite xenofiction soap opera ❤️❤️❤️
Personally I actually always liked Darkstripe specifically because he is an uncool villain. The way the narrative just kept walking all over him, especially in later books, made him more entertaining to me. It's kind of a "you love to hate him" relationship lol
Okay, so, Daisy. I LOVE her, so I'm sad she got voted. And I gotta disagree with ya, Akira, Bluestar was SO interesting throughout the books, be it "Bluestar's Prophecy" or, my personal favourite, "A Dangerous Path". And lastly, I voted Tigerstar (Tigerclaw), not because he's a bad villain, but because he's evil and he totally destroyed Bluestar. She got a sort of dementia BECAUSE of him. And Tigerstar just cause so much destruction, and he killed Brindleface. He really made me sad throughout the books, even though his death was really scary and sad. But overall, thank you Akira!
Ima watch this soon, but I am so excited to watch it!
YESSS IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEOOO!!!
Bramble is an amazing character, he is not abusive and was a great leader until he suffered PTSD. The fact that those are opinions of Squirrelstar, their Clanmates, Squirrel's parents, rest of StarClan, and the authors themselves should have made this clear. He and Squirrel aren't perfect, neither as couple nor as themselves, they have flows (I would argue that Squirrelstar had more of those) but that's what makes them so great and interesting compared to all the other relationships^^
agreed, theyre like the married couple who argue nonstop but refuse to get a divorce
He was soooo boring and mean compared to Bramblepaw, sorry not sorry.
And couples that always fight like Squirrel and Bramble aren't cute, they're toxic af.
my favorite character is Breezepelt and I’m scared to watch this lol-
Darkstripe is actually a character I like I even rp as him sometimes in the warrior cats Roblox game
WHO BOTED SHATTERED ICE?!?! HE IS MY FAVE I LOVE HIM
(1st place being Brambleclaw)
(The Ashfur Fans laughing their asses off)
Me: goes to Akira’s channel for this video.
Finds it.
**Happydance**
For The 144 people who voted Breezepelt
*KEEP ONE EYE OPEN AT ALL TIMES*
Act three arcane is wild!!! Also we all know the animators had fun making the scene.
What does arcane have to to do with this video and Warrior Cats?
12:32 nah keep Pinestar away from kids, the further away from apprentices the better. Weirdo feel in a love with a kid then cat married her as soon as she became a warrior.
(note: this comment spoils who gets first place)
(this is NOT hate, im just gently saying this)
I’m actually really surprised Brambleclaw got 1st place. I get _why_ he has haters, he can be pretty bad to Squilf sometimes, and he has made pretty questionable life choices. But there are so many cats way worse then him (Like Thistleclaw, Onestar, Leopardstar, Blackstar, etc) who I think are way more deserving of the title….
But that’s just my own personal opinion.
Honestly, I expected someone like Clearsky or Tom to be on the top :/.
I’m mentioning this for literally no reason, but my feelings on Bramblestar… ehh I like how being in the DF effected him but before hand he was pretty boring ngl lol-
Who voted for whitestorm- also who votes princess lol
I think some people voted Frecklewish due to how toxic her superfans can be.
Also all of you that voted Appledusk ILY /p
Also, before y'all scream at me, I also think Mapleshade superfans can be very toxic, too.
I don’t know why, but seeing Beetlewhisker in the 0 votes list makes me happy.
My man Rainwhisker made it, too!
(Probably because most of the fandom forgot about him after The Sight, though.)
Akira I adore you but why must you include spoilers! Star isnt out in my country yet, and America won't ship the book to me :(
How tf did firestar not get 0, also greywing (clearsky/skystar's brother) is the best cat. He is the father of the clans
I'm throwing hands with the one Ferncloud hater. How dare you insult my queen
Im surprised jayfeather was so high, saying that he usually wins on the most loved cat
I feel like the Gray Wing and Hollyleaf take is a bit disingenuous because Hollyleaf can be incredibly annoying early on with her writing and constant fretting about the warrior code, it’s so down your throat.
As for gray wing, he was awful towards jagged peak and turtle tail for such nothing issues and then constantly excused clear sky’s actions
I love Hollyleaf, but to say people don't like her because of her moral grayness it's just not right
Agreed, about Hollyleaf. I voted for her, not because she's morally gray or whatever, but because you can substitute everything she says before she dies with "B-b-but what about the warrior code?!?!" and you would still get the same result.
Frankly, she's not even that morally gray. She killed someone who tried to kill her and her siblings first, and then very obviously intended to ruin their lives when he failed.
I personally liked Brambleclaw in tnp and pot (before the big reveal) but after that his character changed a lot
I don't think Brambleclaw deserve all the hate. Almost all the people who hate them are always behind fandom opinion. I used to hate him too but then I read the books and he wasn't bad tbh.
My boy deserves compression
I kinda agree. I have issues with how he's written and I understand the sentiment but... #1 is insane, the hate is blown way out of proportion for what's actually written in the books themselves (at least in comparsion to other characters).
Ugh same. I’m so thoroughly sick of watching people assume malicious intentions from him in literally every situation. Some people seem to think that the only possible motivation he could ever have is to hurt Squirrelflight.
He got pretty boring after he became leader, I liked him in arcs 1 and 3 much better
Also he had this whole thing in tnp about being afraid of becoming like his dad (and being afraid of being ambitious) and then he throws it all away to go train with tigerstar and hawkfrost in the dark forest pretty much instantly
ranking brambleclaw as worse than a literal child groomer (thistleclaw) or an attempted kit murderer (darkstripe) is absolutely insane like you can tell brambleclaw was only rated the worst because of braindead moonkitti fans
Me hearing the sentence "do not be upset if ur fav character is the most hated or something I can't remember the sentence"
Me: knowing that my fav character is brokenstar
LETS GO MY BABIES RUNNINGWIND AND SHREWTOOTH ARE LOVED 💗💗💗💗
I luv runningwind
SHREWTOOTH MY BELOVED 💕💕💕
@@BR3AK.66 Shrewtooth was like, one of the only bright spots in Skyclan's Destiny for me and I'm so sad it seems the writing team just forgot he existed
Clearsky morally grey? His straight out bad. I'm so happy his in second place.
Your theory on Appledusk is completely wrong and lacks media comprehension. He never lacked empathy when his own children died.
While I don't condone cheating in the slightest, and while it isn't relevant at all to our conversation of grief, I would like to note that he did in fact love both of his mates. Him risking his life to nearly drown for Mapleshade and their kits says it all. Him jumping to take the killing blow for Reedshine and laying down his life says it all.
Before the exile events occurred, when he met Mapleshade at the river and saved Patchkit, the text notes that while he's speaking to her, there is a deep, deep longing in his eyes, which does show that he cares and loves her despite it all. He tells her that he’s proud of her and that she and their kits are strong. Does not that say enough about how much he admired her?
Boiling him down to a simple cheater with no other personality traits is ridiculous and shows a lot of peoples lack of reading comprehension. "Well, if he loved her, he wouldn't have.-“ These are cats. Just because they have sentient-level human thoughts does not mean you should go applying human morals and actions to them when they don't know what that is. The only thing from human society they understand is murder.
Appledusk risked his own life to jump into a flash-flooded river to save Mapleshade and stayed with her to comfort her when he brought her onto the bank. He was willing to jump in that river again when she told him their kids were trapped. Moving onto his grief because I need to explain this in as much depth and my own analysis as possible since people don't seem to understand a character's nuance or what that word even means.
When Appledusk returns to her after trying to save their kits, the text notes that Mapleshade wouldn't see his expression and that he came wordless and didn't speak to her while taking her to their children. He had completely shut down, which is a factor also caused by grief. From my own experience of grieving and going through different stages, shutting down is a common thing that occurs in those grieving who can't feel anything other than intense sadness.
Appledusk shutting down and turning Mapleshade away wasn't written in just for him to be an asshole. That wouldn't make sense considering the very obvious theme of this book. It's written to show how differently grief can affect others. Anyone would shut down if they had to witness the sodden corpses of children, especially if it was the parent themselves.
During chapter four, before getting to RiverClan camp, Appledusk remained quiet and despondent until after he heard Mapleshade admit that she had purposefully led their children into a flooded river during a storm despite what he had told her early about keeping them away from the river to ensure their safety. He isn't aware of the full situation of what happened back in ThunderClan; therefore, his actions and grief are motivated solely by what he knows.
Appledusk's talking tone is shifted to being stunned, which is being shocked. It's as if your heart is dropping because you've just learned of a terrible situation or truth. Earlier in the book, Appledusk displays a great concern for the lives of Mapleshade and their kittens if ThunderClan were to find out the truth. They both willingly risked their own lives and the lives of their kittens to keep seeing each other despite how cruel the warrior code is. Which I should add, neither of them is in the wrong, and neither deserved to be punished.
I believe this is why he referred to his actions as being a mistake, because otherwise, if he and Mapleshade had never gotten infatuated or just been more careful, then their innocent children wouldn't have had to suffer. Not sure how anyone interpreted this as him calling his wife and children mistakes, but that also just proves the point that this fandom doesn't have good media literacy. You could understand every character's POV and emotions if you just read back on some parts of the book or just took the time to actually understand each of their grief and how they handled it.
The book also notes that Mapleshade almost winced at the pain in Appledusk's eyes when he says that. He doesn't hate Mapleshade or his children; he never did, but his grief caused him to think irrationally and not clearly think the situation through, and his grief prevented him from actually wanting to understand why Mapleshade did what she did. "I should have never betrayed my clan by meeting with Mapleshade" is a thing he says out of grief because his meeting with Mapleshade led to so many conflicting actions that harmed those around them that didn't deserve it.
In fact, their meetings ended up hurting each other. Mapleshade's recklessness cost them their lives and their precious babies, which Appledusk then views as it being her fault and views her as a killer, which isn't a bad thing. It's an irrational response, and he feels that he hasn't had time to process the events happening. It's why he tells Darkstar he will regret everything he did because all it did was, in the long run, unexpectedly come back to hit him in the ass when StarClan ire killed their children.
When Appledusk explains why Mapleshade and their kits were here, the text notes that his voice falters. To falter means that the speaker cannot speak normally because they're feeling emotions too intense for them to understand, which is an action also caused by grief. The pale brown warrior shook his head. “Why should I? It’s your fault that these kits are dead. I never want to see you again.”
I will repeat this point again that Appledusk is refusing to help her because of the intense grief he feels.
"It's your fault that these kids are dead; I never want to see you again" is a thought and emotion that stems entirely from his grief, not because he wants to "save his own ass" or wants to "suck up." Which to add during this, he never tried to defend himself when Darkstar was planning to exile him. It was Reedshine and Reedshine only. Meaning that he wouldn't have cared if he was cast out with Mapleshade as well. I do think that if he had been exiled, either way, he wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near Mapleshade.
Appledusk is the only character (besides Myler) who showed Mapleshade any sympathy for what happened. He feels sympathy because he had time to calm down from his grief; he refuses to harm her and only tells her to leave because he still cares for her. She is his past mate, the mother of his children, and someone he deeply trusted and still even admired. He obviously doesn't hold any more ill will toward her anymore unlike Frecklewish because he has time to calm down over the intense grief he felt losing his children, and he understands that she is hurting too.
Appledusk never jumped in the river to save her? She got out and couldn’t save her kits, she then went to riverclan where she saw Appledusk WITH HIS OTHER MATE and then he turned her away so he could be “loyal to his mate”. He sucks. If he even cared about mapleshade, then he would’ve done something, or better yet, not cheated.
@@0MGITSPANDAYou never read the book and it’s so painfully obvious. He jumped into the river and dragged her out with the help of his clan mates. He rejected mapleshade because her wreckless actions cost their children their lives, and They’re cats. Cheating isn’t a thing.
@@0MGITSPANDAdon’t bring your worthless opinion here if you haven’t read the book
@ ok, he did go into the water, sorry, it’s been a while since I’ve read it, but it doesn’t make him any less of a scum. He waits a bit before he does, cheats on maple shade and doesn’t care to visit her, and doesn’t care about maple shade when the kits die. He sucks. You can’t change my mind
@@0MGITSPANDA?? Okay?? You’re the one who got offended and came under my comment. I don’t care what your opinion is
The one person that voted Whitethroat, I WILL FIDE YUO.
WOAH I GOT RECOMMENDED THIS FIVE MINUTES LATER!!!!
Am I the only one who just completely forgot what they voted for?
Waiting to see how much is for my favorites scourge and needletail kinda excepting alot for scourge tbh
14:51 eh Crow can be attributed to the fact that originally he was negligent and abusive from what Jayfeather saw in Breezepelts emotions. He did get retconed to not be that though... which well You can say he isn't and never was now... but you still originally wrote him like that and that bitter taste lingers.
As a Mapleshade fan, I am not surprised at all XD, but I don't excuse her actions.
Though she is a villain so
A Mapleshade and Kanade fan 🤩
@@Toolazyforname104 Hello!
9:19 Y'ALL FORGET SHE SAVED GREYSTRIPE OR SOMETHING!? MOTHERF-
Video 9 of asking akira to make an updated version to what order should I read the books
I think some villians are up there not just because people don't like him, but because they find them a bad written villian. I feel like Sol wasnt a really well written imo
I know Lionblaze is unpopular but in my opinion he's been redeemed in the latest books, where he's portrayed as a bloodthirsty freak. The TRUE worst warrior cats are the boring ones, and Lionblaze is no longer boring, QED