Back in the late 1960's when I was young, just learning to run the 9" SBL, I tried to get dad to buy a set of those tool bit and grinding gage. He wouldn't. I learned on my own how to grind tool bit using the SBL handbook and got pretty good at it. Ground up a set of bits similar to those shown. Turning tools did not have that much nose radius on them. Caused too much chatter. The old rocker tool post got changed out by a 4-way tool block in the early 1970's. Used it up till about 15 years ago and it got replaced with a Aloris tool post. Still have the rocker tool post and tool holders. They will stay with the lathe and pass it on to my son after I am gone. As always, thanks for sharing. Ken
Good info and glad to know you keep it.I traced the toolbit history and got to the same conclusion that you did and I am learning now on my own to grind HSS tool bits for turning and many other uses that you can find, like internal grooving,form tools, forms to grind gears,etc.My guess is that there were enough people that could own a lathe and a set of HSS bars but not that many that could grind or willing to try to sharpen the tool like you did.I wander how many lathes stood in the garage for years and never were used.Even more because as a jeweler I bought a good GRS engraving equipment but did not use it for 20 years because I did´nt know how to sharpen the gravers which is very critical and finally only learn to sharpen the gravers with the advent of UA-cam.Thank you very much, Ken ,for your story.
WOW, what a treat to actually see that iconic geometry live and in person through the magic of the internet. How many times have i stared at those shapes on the page, only to stare at the tool in my hand and think, "Bah, close enough" hahaha.
Good morning Mr Pete. New owners must have been like a child on Christmas morning with a brand new toy with no batteries. First task many years ago in shop class was here's your tool steel there's the grinder have at it. Where's my coffee. 73
I knew an old timer who had a set of Atlas/Craftsman tool bits and kept them in in a special box, never used, just to use as patterns for grinding his own. Nice video.
Great to have a few moments to my self this morning, hope all has been well with you. I let all the SB bit go with my 9in, but will come back to see part 2 for sure, Bear.
Thank you Mr. Pete. I have that exact lathe sitting behind you. You have taught me so much about it. An encyclopedia of knowledge generously given, we are so lucky to have you!
Thanks for that lesson. Look forward to seeing the SB gauge being duplicated. Made mine from a picture many years ago.......we'll see how accurate mine is. Love all your videos!!
These looks through the historical catalogues and the context you provide are extremely educational Mr. Pete--Thanks for sharing, and please keep them up.
Great timing for this video. I am just finishing up the restoration of a 1941 vintage South Bend 9A lathe. I’ve never used a metal lathe before. This is very useful information.
Another great video. I have really enjoyed this series on the lathe bits as I like to grind my own instead of the cheap carbide tools. Thanks for sharing this info. Dan
Most big shops had dedicated people that did nothing but grind and sharpen tools all day. Insert tooling was a real game changer in that respect. The beginning of a throw away society perhaps???
I immensely enjoyed this series. Just yesterday I finished making a lathe tool grinding jig from the plans that I obtained from the links in your videos. It was one of the most satisfying projects I've ever made in my hobby machine shop. I have struggled to grind tools freehand with less-than-satisfying results and am looking forward to using my new jig.
I have quite a few of the Myford equivalent pre-ground tools. Most of mine have never been used either. The boring tools are quite nice. Maybe I will make a video and show them.
As a kid I studied the Sears catalog for tools but always skipped the metal working as my interest was woodworking. So this was interesting for me since I was unfamiliar with the offering.
I have the 1959 Sears Craftsman tool catalog and that same set of 6 [3/16 and 1/4" ] are $2.45.., so the price went up 50 cents in 7years WOW SUCH INFLATION 2.93% per year [$2.45 +20.5%=$2.95] 20.5% div by 7= 2.93%]
Mr. Pete, in one of your previous videos you mentioned the South Bend book "How to Grind Lathe Tool Cutter Bits" and how it was no longer in print. I was able to find a seller on Amazon who offers a spiral bound reproduction of the 1936 addition. If you would like the link to share with your viewers I would be more than happy to post it here for you.
YES,MRPETE,you just put your finger in the eye of the hurricane and and unveil the thuth,only the truth and nothing but the truth about toolbits and before been taken for a ride.Thank you.
Mr. Pete, could you - would you make a video showing the different type materials grinding wheels are made of and what are they made to grind? Also is the color of the wheels a industry standard? Jerry in Pa.
I find it useless but still so fascinating to think who wrote on the tape on those bits. Maybe a guy retired unpacked everything and had a heart attack, or got a draft order to Vietnam only not to return? I see a name or initials on an old tool and wonder what job they did? Just the useless daydreams of mine. Thank you sir
ISN'T that the TRUTH! EVERYONE wants to go to work right away! When I got my first lathe probably 14 ? years ago I went to work right away and used the provided bits someone else had mocked up and burned up and they wouldn't cut CRAP! I could make chatter and smoke and that was exciting though. Then the learning curve came and now I can look at a bit and tell you it will or wont work.But once in while I can get nice good cut with a bit I ground myself and don't really know how it worked (: ! LOL! Thank you for the videos. You tube is where a lot of my learning for lathe work came from.
While I should defer to the Master to answer your question..... I use HSS ground bits in my "Aloris-style" tool holders (as does Mr. Pete and others). One must remember that the point of the cutting tool-- any cutting tool-- must be properly aligned just below or on center of the work being turned (see the How to Run A Lathe Book). You only have to raise the tool bit with some scrap to properly position it in the "Aloris" tool holder. In my case I use 3/8" tool bits. I've never tried a 1/4" bit. Of course, it one has the lantern tool post and the proper tool holders have at it! I use both.
@@Radiotexas what I was wondering about is the relief angle in the front. Lantern style holders point the tip upwards, whereas Aloris holders lay flat. I have to go through Mr. Pete’s previous videos to see what he has said about this. Thanks for the reply.
Howdy Mr. Pete! I've got a pretty specific question for you about a South Bend Lathe that I picked up a year or so back. It's an 8" Jr, model 408-Z of I remember correctly. It has no gearbox, and no threading spinner. Is there a way to go about turning an inside thread, cutting out, instead of in? I've seen a guy flip the tool upside down, then run the spindle in reverse, but I don't think that would be safe of this machine, because of the threaded spindle. What's your advise?
Interesting questions. It can be done, but it is so complicated I cannot explain it. I do not think I made a video on that. I am not totally familiar with that model, I am assuming it does have a lead screw
@@mrpete222 It does have a lead screw, but no clutch mechanism, just the half nut that engages the main screw. It's completely manual other than that. All speeds/feeds are controlled by a set of change gears. I can send pics of it if you'd like.
Hey Mr Pete I'm know metal I'm a carpenter and hobbyist woodworker and certified tool junky. I'm at the point we're vintage Stanley parts are getting so expensive I taking to making my own parts. Well I'm making №140 skew block plane side wall with peened pins. Do you have a video on peening? The part I don't want to expand gets deformed by the time the peening feels tight the under gets deformed. struggling prolly a jig &or technique I need to learn about
Back in the late 1960's when I was young, just learning to run the 9" SBL, I tried to get dad to buy a set of those tool bit and grinding gage. He wouldn't. I learned on my own how to grind tool bit using the SBL handbook and got pretty good at it. Ground up a set of bits similar to those shown. Turning tools did not have that much nose radius on them. Caused too much chatter. The old rocker tool post got changed out by a 4-way tool block in the early 1970's. Used it up till about 15 years ago and it got replaced with a Aloris tool post. Still have the rocker tool post and tool holders. They will stay with the lathe and pass it on to my son after I am gone. As always, thanks for sharing. Ken
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Good info and glad to know you keep it.I traced the toolbit history and got to the same conclusion that you did and I am learning now on my own to grind HSS tool bits for turning and many other uses that you can find, like internal grooving,form tools, forms to grind gears,etc.My guess is that there were enough people that could own a lathe and a set of HSS bars but not that many that could grind or willing to try to sharpen the tool like you did.I wander how many lathes stood in the garage for years and never were used.Even more because as a jeweler I bought a good GRS engraving equipment but did not use it for 20 years because I did´nt know how to sharpen the gravers which is very critical and finally only learn to sharpen the gravers with the advent of UA-cam.Thank you very much, Ken ,for your story.
@@angelramos-2005 Your welcome. Ken
WOW, what a treat to actually see that iconic geometry live and in person through the magic of the internet. How many times have i stared at those shapes on the page, only to stare at the tool in my hand and think, "Bah, close enough" hahaha.
Lyle, Thanks For Reminding Me - Of Simpler Times...
I love the history of these tools
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Thank you , one more time, for a class on tooling for those need it.
I learned all this when I was an apprentice in 1963.
Good morning Mr Pete. New owners must have been like a child on Christmas morning with a brand new toy with no batteries. First task many years ago in shop class was here's your tool steel there's the grinder have at it. Where's my coffee. 73
I knew an old timer who had a set of Atlas/Craftsman tool bits and kept them in in a special box, never used, just to use as patterns for grinding his own. Nice video.
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Boy if I could only take my money of today back 60 years what a shop I would have.
Plus you would have a lot better stuff than you can get now.
Thank you Mr Pete. I'm happy to see that you have, and are able to show us all of these things. Thanks for another enjoyable video.
I could listen to you for hours!
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Great to have a few moments to my self this morning, hope all has been well with you. I let all the SB bit go with my 9in, but will come back to see part 2 for sure, Bear.
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Thank you Mr. Pete. I have that exact lathe sitting behind you. You have taught me so much about it. An encyclopedia of knowledge generously given, we are so lucky to have you!
Thank you very much
Thanks for that lesson. Look forward to seeing the SB gauge being duplicated. Made mine from a picture many years ago.......we'll see how accurate mine is. Love all your videos!!
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The funds you come across are just incredible!
Yes, I think they are incredible also. It takes an off a lot of searching
always wonderful Mr Pete........cheers from a fan, Paul
These looks through the historical catalogues and the context you provide are extremely educational Mr. Pete--Thanks for sharing, and please keep them up.
Thanks
I get sick when I have not seen a new Video Lyle.
Much Thanks.
Mike M.
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Great timing for this video. I am just finishing up the restoration of a 1941 vintage South Bend 9A lathe. I’ve never used a metal lathe before. This is very useful information.
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@@mrpete222 hi there . Can I have your email
Great video. Nice to see all the different types of tools and machines. Sears did it all. Thank you for sharing.
Another great video. I have really enjoyed this series on the lathe bits as I like to grind my own instead of the cheap carbide tools. Thanks for sharing this info. Dan
I really DO like this series. I’m learning (and re-learning) a lot.
Most big shops had dedicated people that did nothing but grind and sharpen tools all day. Insert tooling was a real game changer in that respect. The beginning of a throw away society perhaps???
What a great find and grab.
VERY interesting. Thanks, Teach!
Awesome Mr. Pete!
Thanks for the stills of the angle gage. I was wondering how that was used. Thanks again and as always, have a happy day 😊
I immensely enjoyed this series. Just yesterday I finished making a lathe tool grinding jig from the plans that I obtained from the links in your videos. It was one of the most satisfying projects I've ever made in my hobby machine shop. I have struggled to grind tools freehand with less-than-satisfying results and am looking forward to using my new jig.
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Thank you for sharing. Those tool bits were a great find, especially with the gauge.
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Another excellent video.
This series is a gem. :-)
Thanks
Thanks again.
Really think that SB stamping is sweet on the gauge and the block, you always find the plunder, Tubalcain
Thanks for sharing.
I made a jig for holding and grinding HSS tool bits using a carbide tool grinder. I get the exact angle every time.😁
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I have quite a few of the Myford equivalent pre-ground tools. Most of mine have never been used either. The boring tools are quite nice. Maybe I will make a video and show them.
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As a kid I studied the Sears catalog for tools but always skipped the metal working as my interest was woodworking. So this was interesting for me since I was unfamiliar with the offering.
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this is great content.. thanks for sharing your knowledge..
Thanks
I have the 1959 Sears Craftsman tool catalog and that same set of 6 [3/16 and 1/4" ] are $2.45.., so the price went up 50 cents in 7years WOW SUCH INFLATION 2.93% per year [$2.45 +20.5%=$2.95] 20.5% div by 7= 2.93%]
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Thanks for sharing enjoyed
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Great content enjoyed the video.
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Mr. Pete, in one of your previous videos you mentioned the South Bend book "How to Grind Lathe Tool Cutter Bits" and how it was no longer in print. I was able to find a seller on Amazon who offers a spiral bound reproduction of the 1936 addition. If you would like the link to share with your viewers I would be more than happy to post it here for you.
Yes
YES,MRPETE,you just put your finger in the eye of the hurricane and and unveil the thuth,only the truth and nothing but the truth about toolbits and before been taken for a ride.Thank you.
Mr. Pete, could you - would you make a video showing the different type materials grinding wheels are made of and what are they made to grind? Also is the color of the wheels a industry standard? Jerry in Pa.
I find it useless but still so fascinating to think who wrote on the tape on those bits.
Maybe a guy retired unpacked everything and had a heart attack, or got a draft order to Vietnam only not to return?
I see a name or initials on an old tool and wonder what job they did?
Just the useless daydreams of mine.
Thank you sir
ISN'T that the TRUTH! EVERYONE wants to go to work right away! When I got my first lathe probably 14 ? years ago I went to work right away and used the provided bits someone else had mocked up and burned up and they wouldn't cut CRAP! I could make chatter and smoke and that was exciting though. Then the learning curve came and now I can look at a bit and tell you it will or wont work.But once in while I can get nice good cut with a bit I ground myself and don't really know how it worked (: ! LOL!
Thank you for the videos. You tube is where a lot of my learning for lathe work came from.
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Are you willing to post the full dimensions of those bits so some of us can make proper tools???
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I wished i buy something like that
Great video, unfortunately, beginning machinists today just purchase cheap carbide insert tooling and never learn how to grind a HSS tool bit.
Is the South Bend tool for sharpening bits for use with a lantern style holder only? I think most of us are using the Aloris style holder these days.
While I should defer to the Master to answer your question..... I use HSS ground bits in my "Aloris-style" tool holders (as does Mr. Pete and others). One must remember that the point of the cutting tool-- any cutting tool-- must be properly aligned just below or on center of the work being turned (see the How to Run A Lathe Book). You only have to raise the tool bit with some scrap to properly position it in the "Aloris" tool holder. In my case I use 3/8" tool bits. I've never tried a 1/4" bit. Of course, it one has the lantern tool post and the proper tool holders have at it! I use both.
@@Radiotexas what I was wondering about is the relief angle in the front. Lantern style holders point the tip upwards, whereas Aloris holders lay flat. I have to go through Mr. Pete’s previous videos to see what he has said about this. Thanks for the reply.
Howdy Mr. Pete! I've got a pretty specific question for you about a South Bend Lathe that I picked up a year or so back. It's an 8" Jr, model 408-Z of I remember correctly. It has no gearbox, and no threading spinner. Is there a way to go about turning an inside thread, cutting out, instead of in? I've seen a guy flip the tool upside down, then run the spindle in reverse, but I don't think that would be safe of this machine, because of the threaded spindle. What's your advise?
Interesting questions. It can be done, but it is so complicated I cannot explain it. I do not think I made a video on that. I am not totally familiar with that model, I am assuming it does have a lead screw
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It does have a lead screw, but no clutch mechanism, just the half nut that engages the main screw. It's completely manual other than that. All speeds/feeds are controlled by a set of change gears. I can send pics of it if you'd like.
Hey Mr Pete I'm know metal I'm a carpenter and hobbyist woodworker and certified tool junky. I'm at the point we're vintage Stanley parts are getting so expensive I taking to making my own parts. Well I'm making №140 skew block plane side wall with peened pins. Do you have a video on peening? The part I don't want to expand gets deformed by the time the peening feels tight the under gets deformed. struggling prolly a jig &or technique I need to learn about
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@@mrpete222 so no vids on peening thats ok could not have done the vfd in my wood lathe and drill press with out ya.
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