When I was taught about Slavery in 4th grade, I never internalized the idea that I was a racist. It is part of our history and we should not forget ever. I feel so sorry to all the kids being raised in these states.
Exactly, I realized how terrible it was and that my ancestors who owned slaves made me sad, but I understood that it was my job to keep it from happening again. It was never my fault that they made these mistakes.
I wasn’t taught about slavery at all and I’m almost 70😳. Most the limited information I had was from movies until the last 3 years. Schooled in Illinois
Exactly, as well! I now understand that ideas such as CRT, take the focus away from individual racism, and puts the emphasis on laws and other systems in place. Even such things as IQ tests, that claim to have no cultural bias, actually have them. And other things are influenced by wealth, such having a school with state of the art computer systems, or a planetarium, as examples. So having college admissions base solely on test scores, could actually be discriminatory. Also in colleges where there is diversity, it can add to widening views in discussions. yet the the right makes the issue about discrimination against white, instead. Claiming that learning about actual historical events will harm sensitive children, is a lie, in my view. And even if some child got confused, then the parent could actually interact with thier own child, in order to help them out. This fact has been entirely left out of the discussion. One additional thing: Black History Month was founded in large parts, because, 100 years ago serious white academics claimed that black people inferior beings, who contributed nothing to history. Look up the history of the Eugenics Movement, from that time period. Those ideas were also central to Adolph Hitler in his book, "Mein Kampf", which was written in that period.
When I was grade school the only significant African American figure who we learned about about was George Washington Carver. It was not until I went to a Junior College that I was able to learn more about "Black History" and the African-American contribution to our culture. It made me appreciate the people's struggle.
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people? Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
True history should be taught to all students, regardless of color or religion, how do we expect students to grow up with critical thinking, also to become better individuals
And you hit the nail on the head, A lot of people do not want students to develop critical thinking, because then they would start asking questions and seeking truth!!!
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people? Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people? Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
The new segregation: states with academic freedom vs. states without academic freedom. Wow. Removing even the word "theory" from the curriculum shows the utter insanity of this.
The insanity is looking at that list of ridiculous, radical fringe ideas and acting as if that has anything to do with black history or black people in general. Also insane the media continually lying about stories like this to create racial / political division. Where are the adults in 2023. All we have are people on the left acting like children.
Look at it this way. If you are a democrat and vote for the democratic party, then what is happening in Florida is exactly what you get and deserve. Democrats are the party of big government intervention but when a Republican implements the way he see's how things should be run (Through government) now all of a sudden it's a problem to you mofo's? make it make sense.
This corporate sellout is very frightening.... what next? I've always trusted higher education to challenge my cultural beliefs, isn't that what it's for. I'm actually scared now.
Exactly what corporations fear....it's a reason why they whitewash MLK.. boycotting also had a economic component the status quo would prefer you to forget
This is not new. These is a reason Howard Zen wrote a history book. I grew up in the 60's and I would not never trust the "documented history" of our school system. Remember the ruckus caused by "Bury by heart at wounded knee" The book was taken from the stenographer notes all military officers had at the time. We need to teach Sociology in high school. That is where peoples minds open in college. It leaves a space for explaining modern day consequences. What we dont learn from we repeat.
Sociology, and its political adjunct, civics. Both are missing from recent curriculum. I am so grateful that I am older, and from a state that (formerly) taught both. They indeed intersect.
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people? Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
@@Crimgar can you literally blame them for how they have viewed white people? Its not how they really view white people that's the problem....it's the social constructs white people have built, that have done nothing but enrich themselves. I urge you to do some research instead of making blanket statements like " why don't we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people."
She has a JD (law degree) from Harvard, so not only is Crenshaw one of this century's most transformational leaders in scholarly study, she's also steeped in law and knows more than they do about it.
Im from germany and I learned pretty early in school about National Socialism and the Holocaust. I got teached about this part of my history so I could learn from it. To avoiding making the same mistakes or commiting the same crimes like the Nazis did. Instead of being ashamed of myself in the present im proud of not repeating the past.
@@TheChopf26 Neither are you. We are all simply accountable for dealing with the reality we are in now. That reality is learning to live with one another after a long history of racism and prejudice on many different levels and in many different areas of life throughout this country's history. Understanding that history is important to both overcoming our present problems and not repeating our historical ones. All of DeSantis's public acts over his governorship with regards to race show that he wants us to go backwards with regards to race relations. He will not be the last politician with serious power to want that.
@@TheChopf26 That we are not personally responsible for what happened before we were born is a point that Kimberlé Crenshaw specifically made in the interview. Did you not listen?
@mericanmodi8479 Um... your mincing words and splitting hairs. Racism is as old of a concept as it comes. It is an offshoot of fear of the unknown. It was here against the Native Americans and as soon as we Anglo Saxons jumped off our boats. Good Lord, it is in the Bible. The Old Testament. It is part of the human condition. And, it exists everywhere, to some degree. Still, it is a problem, mixed up as we are with one another reacting to our various shared histories, that has become "a pot capable of boiling over". We own that reality... the problems we face right now, right here. The question is how we are going to change that reality for our children. By hiding from those problems? By characterizing them or their effect on our society incorrectly? Or by facing our differences and finding solutions and compromises that bring us closer together.
Excellent interview! As a former student in Florida, I am proud I grew up in a place where I could learn about these things. The only suggestion I can give out of state students is that they start looking at their college education as a commodity that they buy and CHOOSE not to attend colleges that refuse to teach these subjects. Money talks. The sticking point, of course, is that Florida students, themselves, will still get the shaft since their education is so much cheaper attending schools in state.
Did you learn African Kings sold their own people into slavery and are still doing it today? Did you learn Hillary and Obama killed Gaddafi in Libya and helped set up African Slave Markets? Did you learn there were many free blacks before the Civil War that owned slaves? You should read (D) Daniel Patrick Moyniha's paper from 1965 on the destruction of the black family by the federal government. Until the black family unit is returned, blacks can never move forward. I'm always amazed how democrats put teacher's unions before allowing black students school choice. That's the real racism. Blacks are often stuck in failing schools.
@@markcosenza3274 In context, I should note that I am a former teacher from a teaching family and yes I did learn all of that. From more education. Not less. Also, the real tragedy is that poorly funded primarily black schools are usually found to serve poorly funded primarily black districts... which are all planned out ahead of time by our politicians.
@ShannonDavisSings As a former teacher, you are well aware of how the teachers unions don't care about students. They are against school vouchers, Charter Schools, and School Choice. The money should follow the student, that way, every student would be able to get a good education. Teachers unions protect incompetent teachers from being fired. The teachers union colluded with CDC to keep Schools closed, causing students to suffer from learning at a rate of 35%. The Chicago school district recieved 1.4 billion dollars of covid relief money. The teachers union skimmed 77% off for themselves in raises and bonuses. Many weren't even showing up for work, they were having other teachers clocking in for them. As you know, Chicago School district is one of the worst for reading scores.
@@markcosenza3274 You are altering the subject a bit. Don't get me wrong, while I applaud teacher's unions work (down here, where I am most educated on their practices), I won't say they've always stood on the side of students, particularly when forces have risen up against their working contracts. But it isn't that they have a stake in the agendas at large that I take issue with. Just like I don't care if African American interests push them to want their children (or all children) to learn from their history. That is their agenda and in a democratic society that agenda must be heard and weighed. What bothers me is when there is desire to take away information that helps a state or even district make up their mind on how it wants to educate their kids. I know that this is a fantastical example as the knowledge of that history is so engrained in our culture, but if they actually could erase slavery from our consciousness, there would still be iniquity for our black students in education and the world, we just couldn't come together to point out why it happened or to decide together how to fix it.
Very scary in Florida. One of my best courses at UofF featured readings from Maya Angelou and breaking down the message she was trying to get across. It was truly amazing and allowed me to understand both sides of the issues that still affect us today. Taking this away demonstrates pure ignorance.
It is impossible to stall the learning of history today. Everything is available through the internet. As a septuagenerian I have learn more about the world and the history than at anytime in my lifetime. No one can go backward and nothing can be covered up.
That's perhaps factual to a point. But universities ARE a place for advancing knowledge, and any attempt to ban books and "critical" teachings should certainly not be swept under the rug. Have we learned anything at all from the beginning of Nazi'ism in Germany and its evil spread?
Ever tried to learn about history on the internet in China or North Korea, or, I imagine, Russia, Hungary, Turkey? As Prof. Crenshaw points out, this is a step on that road.
@@firefx99 well sir things are different now. Back in the 60s and 70s is when black knew that knowledge is power. Now we have tictok, games and cellphones. Back then we had books and read. Reading is not a joy that kids run to today.
@@firefx99 everything about real true black history isn't taught in schools. But that needs to be taught nationwide in all schools. Your one daughter gaining that is good for her but not for the nation.
Wow modern day segregation in the classroom! There should be federal law requiring African American history be taught...it's the foundation of this country arguably American history.
I'm white but I would love to be able to take these kinds of classes without them being watered down. I can't afford college and I'm 57 and disabled but I watch as much free teaching as I can find, I really really wish these teachers and professors would teach the real classes for free on UA-cam. I'm a history geek and I have always studied it as much as I can. There are some bad things that happened in our country in the past. We learn from the past to move forward and have a better country and world. We have to stop this stupid division over the color of a person's skin. If you look at a bunch of x-rays the only things you will be able to tell first and foremost male and female, other wise who broke what bones in the past who has more wear and tear on their bones. But you will not be able to KNOW THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. Stop being idiots people.
@@topbaddie 2 parent households are privileged Taking math is privilege Getting into honors is privilege Not getting suspended is privilege Victimhood narrative
The really ironic thing is this is being promoted by a man who went to an Ivy League school. AND law school. And later taught at a private school where he partied with teenagers and got one sick by drinking a lot of milk.
Very interesting. Thinking back, I think I was the only one in my entire elementary school who read my entire school library, the local library and started in at the main library. And unfortunately, I think at college, there were not the many students interested in reading all the different libraries available on campus. Unfortunate because all this information is there, if one just visited the sites (online), and opened the books (online). I also used all sorts of different reading lists, such as Harvard reading lists in my Junior High and High school years. Today, those lists are even easier to obtain and those books easier to read. So much information, so few people who want to learn. Very unfortunate.
Oh no, it’ll hurt our children’s feelings, and we don’t want that. Why? Because it makes them feeling guilty for their current wealth😏 (insert sarcasm)
@mericanmodi8479 Great response and %100 true. I can promise you that the average viewer of this segment thinks "critical theory" pioneered by Horkheimer in the 30's is really "critical thinking". I also agree the history is fascinating - But how do you relate that to public ? Btw the best, most coherent definition of critical theory is at the Stanford school's encyclopedia of philosophy.
@mericanmodi8479 There's a dishonesty component, that I find troubling. Crenshaw knows what tenants are in it. She's studied aspects of it for 25+ years. Joy Ried, to a tiny extent, knows what it is. There's aspects of it with a lineage to some very dark parts of history. They never share it with their audience.
I learned CRT in the 80's as a white elementary school kid. I assure you, I didn't "hate my whiteness". I was proud to be educated and to learn the history of America so that we could do things differently. Our kids are white kids who learn CRT in public school. They are educated, empathic, and wise - and have never been made to feel responsible or guilty about white American foundations of enslavement. They are curious, and have incredible ideas for our future.
And that's right out of the Bible as well. 2 Timothy 1:7. English Standard Version "for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control."
Yes! Anyone who's taught truthfully about African American history and culture at the K-12 levels knows there's great interest among all students - including White kids- who desire to understand how "race" became such a divisive issue in our country. All of our youth need to know the truth about our nation's historical devaluing of black lives and how that devaluing, erasure and systemic oppression is alive in all of our institutions, perhaps most especially in employment, in our schools and in the criminal justice system.
As a white man, Ms. Crenshaw recalled my exact experience when learning about Critical Race Theory at 5:36 when she describes how an actual understanding of the principle partly exonerates the individual from personal responsibility for the racism that is perpetuated by structures within society, government, and other institutions. At the same time, it focuses a lens on one's own behavior and all of the small unintentional ways that the individual perpetuates the structures. For me, it was a life changing experience that I think about every day and has had a profoundly positive impact on my relationships with everyone I encounter in my daily life.
When you empathize and identify with the heroes of our history, our history is a story of continual forward movement from one victory to the next. When you empathize and identify with the villains of our history, our history is a long string of humiliating defeats. The question I'd ask is... Why would anyone empathize with the villains? And why should we care about their delicate precious feelies?
Villains come in all shapes, colours and sizes. Most people have little empathy for them, nor do they care about their feelies. Gotta work together. One life, One planet. Godspeed.
Ask Hercule Poirot. Or any sociology professor. Or judge. Or politician. One must understand villains and villainy to function in a society. Ignoring that sort of thing doesn't mean it goes away.
The lost cause was allowed to fester. No consequences for those that seceded. No consequences for the rich slave owners and their participating offspring. And here we are...
Bill Rodriguez, I lived in Florida for twenty years. I moved away because of the ignorant people that wouldn't consider views of others. Maybe I'm the bot you describe or just maybe I'm an Honorably discharged former Marine Sergeant that sees through more compassionate eyes than you.
The history book I had in high school had a drawing of Frederick Douglas that made me think he was white. I didn't learn that he was a Black man until I was in my twenties. I imagine they will do the same thing to MLK and make people think he was white in the future.
Critical Race Theory (CRT) is not being taught other than in law school. CRT is not part of the high school AP African American Studies course. The fact that CRT was removed as mandatory (and made optional) from the AP African American Studies course proves that Critical Race Theory is correct.
@@normaeason8734 You realize i was being sarcastic, right? i mean it's an entirely circular argument solely intended to show she is right so she can sell more of her books
@@DC-rd6oq Except that this isn't what she was arguing. It's at best a straw man, and at worst a word salad tossed by someone who didn't understand what they were listening to.
As a person labeled Afro-American, their version of Afro American studies is 20% fiction, 20% falsehood, 20% short stories, 20% creative writing & 20% denying our culture is the major reason we lack wealth.
I really appreciate my mom and dad more now then ever. They were not Harvard grads in the boule class just simple hard working non-whining people who brought me Black dolls and taught us Black history and instilled in us Black pride. I am 65 so you know the environment they were in. Now days we act like we have to beg White people to teach us our history and let them throw in a bunch of stuff that has got absolutely nothing to do with Black history. They have us shouting about Black and Brown but I see the Brown people trying to get ahead academically and financially and not playing around with these people over foolishness.
I dare any of the trolls on here to explain why being "woke" is bad, or give me examples, proof, that CRT is being taught anywhere other than graduate level college courses.
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The counter position to her position is her position! If racism is so bad out here in these streets, why is she successful? Why is she so respected? Racism doesn't seem to have held her back.
As long as the product sells, it is a good product in our system, whether or not it works. That's why we still have sugary cereals on the market. Do they still have commercials that tout such cereals as "part of a healthy breakfast," when the cereal is the only part that isn't healthy in the picture of the breakfast that pops up on the screen? As Mr. Velshi points out, if you can prevent a product from selling, it automatically becomes a bad product to be discontinued. That is the argument being made here: that the College Board made a business decision that has nothing to do with effective vs defective education but only with catering to the opinions of certain politicians and their supporters, who don't prioritize effective teaching and learning.
why not have college board CEO David Coleman and a panel including Dr. Kimberle Crenshaw et. al. ? this issue is not a conversation but a debate. Digital journalism's goal is to gain ad dollars not resolve important issues.
It's been tried and failed. After George Floyd riots, many cities defunded the police. This led to more dead blacks. Now, all of these cities are rushing to fund police, but it's too late. They followed the lead of a Marxist Organization, BLM to their own demise. Memphis had 302 murders in 2022,none involving police. Where is the outrage?
Her distorted view of the world is harming generations of people. No one should hear to any word she’s uttering. What this women is saying absolute crazy.
Minute 7:05 Wait...so you're telling me that the College Board moved ideological theories (like Intersectionality and CRT) into an optional category that allows them to be taught not as fact, but as....theories? And that is "dangerous", why? Oh yeah, because this has far more to do with a certain vein of revolutionary-left theories not being presented as one of many perspectives, but being trumpeted as fact. That was a nice sleight of hand Dr. Crenshaw...You almost got me. “The very power of [textbook writers] depends on the fact that they are dealing with a boy: a boy who thinks he is ‘doing’ his ‘English prep’ and has no notion that ethics, theology, and politics are all at stake. It is not a theory they put into his mind, but an assumption, which ten years hence, its origin forgotten and its presence unconscious, will condition him to take one side in a controversy which he has never recognized as a controversy at all.” ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
If a teacher cannot explore facts and laws without relying on buzz phrases, how good would the course be? If the facts reveal what needs to be revealed to the students, why quibble over words and phrasing?
Racism isn't like it's made out to be, just like she said about the whites stepping between cops and blacks. Perception and reality on RACISM isn't the same.
With all due respect to the honorable civil rights movement. The real struggle right now is the marginalized rights and systematic oppresion of those who didn't take the inoculation. When your kids ask, "What did you do to protect the marginalized during the pandemic" What will you tell them ?
No. The US 🇺🇲 doesn't get to just jump over an constant campaign of terror, violence, oppression & disenfranchisement of Black people since the Transatlantic Slave Trade to the present. It doesn't work that way. Full American history Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) should be taught without the White agenda of LGBTQIA. The debt is owed. God is watching.
@@oceania2385 Again, this issue that is being addressed in the video is the continuation of AP African American History. You stated that the Civil Rights Movement wasn't your concern (even though it was barely used to empower American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS), yet used to help ALL non-Black people, LGBTQIA, illegal & legal immigrants & anymore else the US 🇺🇲 could add in). In fact, White women received 83% of Affirmative Action followed by other groups. ADOS got in the lower single digits. Again, you are speaking on your specific concerns and bringing them to Black people to address on your behalf. Go out & do your own work!!! ADOS are NOT. your MULES!!! 250+ years of chattel slavery, Devil's Punchbowl Holocaust, prison leasing & sharecropping, post Reconstruction terror, lynching, kicking off jobs & out of the Senate & Congress, stealing land, the US 🇺🇲 government destroying - bombing, burning & putting dozens of prosperous Black towns under water, redlining, Black servicemen getting lynched in uniform after fighting for this country, no GI Bill, no FHA loan, yet Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians, got GI Bills & FHA loans. Cointelpro, removing jobs, the US 🇺🇲 government putting crack in Black communities to fund the Contra's, mass incarceration, police terror etc... Black communities now have illegal immigrants competing for jobs, taking resources from schools for ESL & lowering our salaries because non-citizens will take lower pay. We have tried to ally with others & had to accept the fact that they are anti-Black & only used the Black Struggle to empower themselves to get resources they don't want us to have. I will fight for my own people. I'm sure you'll continue trying to mule Black people. Good bye.👋
@@sistahb5159 Sorry, but you're interpreting things I've never wrote, then drowning them in an acronyms. There's a struggle going on right now, you can be an ally or an oppressor. Good night
When I was taught about Slavery in 4th grade, I never internalized the idea that I was a racist. It is part of our history and we should not forget ever. I feel so sorry to all the kids being raised in these states.
Exactly, I realized how terrible it was and that my ancestors who owned slaves made me sad, but I understood that it was my job to keep it from happening again. It was never my fault that they made these mistakes.
I wasn’t taught about slavery at all and I’m almost 70😳. Most the limited information I had was from movies until the last 3 years.
Schooled in Illinois
Exactly, as well! I now understand that ideas such as CRT, take the focus away from individual racism, and puts the emphasis on laws and other systems in place. Even such things as IQ tests, that claim to have no cultural bias, actually have them. And other things are influenced by wealth, such having a school with state of the art computer systems, or a planetarium, as examples. So having college admissions base solely on test scores, could actually be discriminatory. Also in colleges where there is diversity, it can add to widening views in discussions. yet the the right makes the issue about discrimination against white, instead.
Claiming that learning about actual historical events will harm sensitive children, is a lie, in my view. And even if some child got confused, then the parent could actually interact with thier own child, in order to help them out. This fact has been entirely left out of the discussion.
One additional thing: Black History Month was founded in large parts, because, 100 years ago serious white academics claimed that black people inferior beings, who contributed nothing to history. Look up the history of the Eugenics Movement, from that time period. Those ideas were also central to Adolph Hitler in his book, "Mein Kampf", which was written in that period.
@@yurei8 thank you for sharing so much, I appreciate your view
Me too
When I was grade school the only significant African American figure who we learned about about was George Washington Carver. It was not until I went to a Junior College that I was able to learn more about "Black History" and the African-American contribution to our culture. It made me appreciate the people's struggle.
Fake.
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people?
Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
@@Crimgar Can you give an example of why we should
@@Crimgar oh you remember the civil war.
@@Crimgar how old are you.
True history should be taught to all students, regardless of color or religion, how do we expect students to grow up with critical thinking, also to become better individuals
magas don't want critical thinking nor better individuals they want rampant ignorance and imaginary grudges .
They don’t want that, they find power in narcissism
And you hit the nail on the head, A lot of people do not want students to develop critical thinking, because then they would start asking questions and seeking truth!!!
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people?
Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
@@Crimgar like I wrote above ignorance and imaginary grudges.
Thank you Velshi, for concentrating on this very important issue!
Thank you Mr. Velshi and Professor Crenshaw spot on interview. Teaching honest history is important to all students.
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people?
Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
@@Crimgar how does it divide? You seem to admit that there’s already a divide.
Trash history. Victimhood
The new segregation: states with academic freedom vs. states without academic freedom. Wow. Removing even the word "theory" from the curriculum shows the utter insanity of this.
Democrats = systemic racial hatred in America
The insanity is looking at that list of ridiculous, radical fringe ideas and acting as if that has anything to do with black history or black people in general.
Also insane the media continually lying about stories like this to create racial / political division.
Where are the adults in 2023. All we have are people on the left acting like children.
@Sara Mill Is this Milo?
@Sara Mill The only groomers are white born again evangelicals.
Look at it this way. If you are a democrat and vote for the democratic party, then what is happening in Florida is exactly what you get and deserve. Democrats are the party of big government intervention but when a Republican implements the way he see's how things should be run (Through government) now all of a sudden it's a problem to you mofo's? make it make sense.
This corporate sellout is very frightening.... what next? I've always trusted higher education to challenge my cultural beliefs, isn't that what it's for. I'm actually scared now.
Perhaps the blue states need to start passing pro-woke laws so that the College Board needs to pick which side they are on.
Exactly what corporations fear....it's a reason why they whitewash MLK.. boycotting also had a economic component the status quo would prefer you to forget
If it American, it is always about profit.
This is not new. These is a reason Howard Zen wrote a history book. I grew up in the 60's and I would not never trust the "documented history" of our school system. Remember the ruckus caused by "Bury by heart at wounded knee" The book was taken from the stenographer notes all military officers had at the time.
We need to teach Sociology in high school. That is where peoples minds open in college. It leaves a space for explaining modern day consequences. What we dont learn from we repeat.
Sociology, and its political adjunct, civics. Both are missing from recent curriculum. I am so grateful that I am older, and from a state that (formerly) taught both. They indeed intersect.
I read Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. But I was young so I guess I missed the controversy?
howard zinn's book wasn't all too accurate, but i get your point
@@Laura-LaFauveNo harm in "understanding" the book this time. Heartbreaking yet hopeful. Like this nation.
@@Laura-LaFauve I guess it's the critical description of war crimes by the US military that rubs people the wrong way
Fantastic interview! Thank you Mr. Velshi!
Why don’t we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people?
Personally, I’m glad we don’t. Because to me, we are all Americans. We need to have messages and teachings that bring us closer together, not divide us further.
@@Crimgar can you literally blame them for how they have viewed white people? Its not how they really view white people that's the problem....it's the social constructs white people have built, that have done nothing but enrich themselves. I urge you to do some research instead of making blanket statements like " why don't we teach how black people have historically viewed and treated white people."
@@Crimgar we need to teach accurate history
@@mooseheadjack1 - I agree
I hope the lawyer for the two gentlemen who are taking DeSantis to court over this will be collaborating with her.
She has a JD (law degree) from Harvard, so not only is Crenshaw one of this century's most transformational leaders in scholarly study, she's also steeped in law and knows more than they do about it.
EXCELLENT conversation!!
THANK YOU for having Kimberlé Crenshaw on the show Ali, we NEED to see more of her!!
I prefer Candace Owens myself.
Say something stupid, non American democrat funded fake unfed unresponsive bot
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@@commonsense3632 Most idiots do 😂
@@bruceleroy7193
That's what happens when the Rules of Law are not enforced w/o fear or favor. The insurrectionist get in Congress and break the law.
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And saying "I feared for my life" gives certain people validation and an alibi for unprovoked violence and murder with impunity.
Im from germany and I learned pretty early in school about National Socialism and the Holocaust.
I got teached about this part of my history so I could learn from it.
To avoiding making the same mistakes or commiting the same crimes like the Nazis did.
Instead of being ashamed of myself in the present
im proud of not repeating the past.
The difference is that you were not that you were responsible or accountable for what happened before you were even born.
@@TheChopf26 Neither are you. We are all simply accountable for dealing with the reality we are in now. That reality is learning to live with one another after a long history of racism and prejudice on many different levels and in many different areas of life throughout this country's history. Understanding that history is important to both overcoming our present problems and not repeating our historical ones. All of DeSantis's public acts over his governorship with regards to race show that he wants us to go backwards with regards to race relations. He will not be the last politician with serious power to want that.
@mericanmodi8479 dafuq?
@@TheChopf26 That we are not personally responsible for what happened before we were born is a point that Kimberlé Crenshaw specifically made in the interview. Did you not listen?
@mericanmodi8479 Um... your mincing words and splitting hairs. Racism is as old of a concept as it comes. It is an offshoot of fear of the unknown. It was here against the Native Americans and as soon as we Anglo Saxons jumped off our boats. Good Lord, it is in the Bible. The Old Testament. It is part of the human condition. And, it exists everywhere, to some degree. Still, it is a problem, mixed up as we are with one another reacting to our various shared histories, that has become "a pot capable of boiling over". We own that reality... the problems we face right now, right here. The question is how we are going to change that reality for our children. By hiding from those problems? By characterizing them or their effect on our society incorrectly? Or by facing our differences and finding solutions and compromises that bring us closer together.
Half (if not more) of these politicians couldn’t even define CRT.
Victimhood wrapped n a bow
Awesome breakdown 👏🏾🔥
@jackriddance2802 I pity the fool.
-Mr. T 🥱
Florida NEEDS a new governor
African Americans NEED to remember that Republicans freed them!
Excellent interview! As a former student in Florida, I am proud I grew up in a place where I could learn about these things. The only suggestion I can give out of state students is that they start looking at their college education as a commodity that they buy and CHOOSE not to attend colleges that refuse to teach these subjects. Money talks. The sticking point, of course, is that Florida students, themselves, will still get the shaft since their education is so much cheaper attending schools in state.
Did you learn African Kings sold their own people into slavery and are still doing it today? Did you learn Hillary and Obama killed Gaddafi in Libya and helped set up African Slave Markets? Did you learn there were many free blacks before the Civil War that owned slaves? You should read (D) Daniel Patrick Moyniha's paper from 1965 on the destruction of the black family by the federal government. Until the black family unit is returned, blacks can never move forward. I'm always amazed how democrats put teacher's unions before allowing black students school choice. That's the real racism. Blacks are often stuck in failing schools.
@@markcosenza3274 In context, I should note that I am a former teacher from a teaching family and yes I did learn all of that. From more education. Not less. Also, the real tragedy is that poorly funded primarily black schools are usually found to serve poorly funded primarily black districts... which are all planned out ahead of time by our politicians.
@ShannonDavisSings As a former teacher, you are well aware of how the teachers unions don't care about students. They are against school vouchers, Charter Schools, and School Choice. The money should follow the student, that way, every student would be able to get a good education. Teachers unions protect incompetent teachers from being fired. The teachers union colluded with CDC to keep Schools closed, causing students to suffer from learning at a rate of 35%. The Chicago school district recieved 1.4 billion dollars of covid relief money. The teachers union skimmed 77% off for themselves in raises and bonuses. Many weren't even showing up for work, they were having other teachers clocking in for them. As you know, Chicago School district is one of the worst for reading scores.
@@markcosenza3274 You are altering the subject a bit. Don't get me wrong, while I applaud teacher's unions work (down here, where I am most educated on their practices), I won't say they've always stood on the side of students, particularly when forces have risen up against their working contracts. But it isn't that they have a stake in the agendas at large that I take issue with. Just like I don't care if African American interests push them to want their children (or all children) to learn from their history. That is their agenda and in a democratic society that agenda must be heard and weighed. What bothers me is when there is desire to take away information that helps a state or even district make up their mind on how it wants to educate their kids. I know that this is a fantastical example as the knowledge of that history is so engrained in our culture, but if they actually could erase slavery from our consciousness, there would still be iniquity for our black students in education and the world, we just couldn't come together to point out why it happened or to decide together how to fix it.
Dr. Crenshaw is one of America's treasures & is valued + loved by all who enter into truths.
Very scary in Florida. One of my best courses at UofF featured readings from Maya Angelou and breaking down the message she was trying to get across. It was truly amazing and allowed me to understand both sides of the issues that still affect us today. Taking this away demonstrates pure ignorance.
It is impossible to stall the learning of history today. Everything is available through the internet. As a septuagenerian I have learn more about the world and the history than at anytime in my lifetime. No one can go backward and nothing can be covered up.
That's perhaps factual to a point. But universities ARE a place for advancing knowledge, and any attempt to ban books and "critical" teachings should certainly not be swept under the rug. Have we learned anything at all from the beginning of Nazi'ism in Germany and its evil spread?
Ever tried to learn about history on the internet in China or North Korea, or, I imagine, Russia, Hungary, Turkey?
As Prof. Crenshaw points out, this is a step on that road.
Children these days are not going to take it upon themselves to learn anything that's not assigned to them. So race war has just gotten started.
@@firefx99 well sir things are different now. Back in the 60s and 70s is when black knew that knowledge is power. Now we have tictok, games and cellphones. Back then we had books and read. Reading is not a joy that kids run to today.
@@firefx99 everything about real true black history isn't taught in schools. But that needs to be taught nationwide in all schools. Your one daughter gaining that is good for her but not for the nation.
College learning is on a higher level. Yet the colleges are going along with this lower level of learning.
Only in some states. Hence the Balkanization of America.
Thank you
I can't subscribe to MSNBC because of how they treated Tiffany Cross. But, I'll show love to Prof. Crenshaw! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I like her style.
SAME, INTELLIGENT 💯
Wow modern day segregation in the classroom! There should be federal law requiring African American history be taught...it's the foundation of this country arguably American history.
Yes!.
Race & gender no place for her in Florida, that’s extremely upsetting!!! We all need to be concerned about this !
I'm white but I would love to be able to take these kinds of classes without them being watered down. I can't afford college and I'm 57 and disabled but I watch as much free teaching as I can find, I really really wish these teachers and professors would teach the real classes for free on UA-cam. I'm a history geek and I have always studied it as much as I can. There are some bad things that happened in our country in the past. We learn from the past to move forward and have a better country and world. We have to stop this stupid division over the color of a person's skin. If you look at a bunch of x-rays the only things you will be able to tell first and foremost male and female, other wise who broke what bones in the past who has more wear and tear on their bones. But you will not be able to KNOW THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. Stop being idiots people.
I believe there is only one race - the Human Race.
Openstax US history is very accurate and cuts no corners on telling the "real" history of this country...
History vs indoctrination of young minds to hate the country
@@topbaddie
2 parent households are privileged
Taking math is privilege
Getting into honors is privilege
Not getting suspended is privilege
Victimhood narrative
Yes this is a correct description. They want to segregate and create plausible deniability
More of this!🙏🏽Outside radical Republicans and fascist tears, fear, hate and negativity, that's all we need!👏🏾🇺🇲
Funny.. I can study structural bias with regards to gender, without feeling guilty as a man.
The really ironic thing is this is being promoted by a man who went to an Ivy League school. AND law school.
And later taught at a private school where he partied with teenagers and got one sick by drinking a lot of milk.
i would love to know more about the private school teacher stint. got any sources?
@@kenlandon6130 Me too. Waiting....
The Republicans have actually been working on doing this by finding young lawyers and grooming them by the Federalist Society for decades.
@@joycej9415 I know and it scares me t death for our children. At 70 they can't do much to me but the future.....
@Deborah Lonergan scares me too. I have a Trans kid and am also 70. Had 4 grands born during the last 4 years and am scared for their future.
Stop being around people who hate you.
I wish to understand where this advice springs from in relation to this interview. Does this statement mean that you are advocating segregation?
@@ShannonDavisSings Respect.
Very interesting. Thinking back, I think I was the only one in my entire elementary school who read my entire school library, the local library and started in at the main library. And unfortunately, I think at college, there were not the many students interested in reading all the different libraries available on campus. Unfortunate because all this information is there, if one just visited the sites (online), and opened the books (online). I also used all sorts of different reading lists, such as Harvard reading lists in my Junior High and High school years. Today, those lists are even easier to obtain and those books easier to read.
So much information, so few people who want to learn. Very unfortunate.
CRT is actually teaching you to be more empathetic and aware of the mistakes of the past to consequently use it as a moral compass.
Oh no, it’ll hurt our children’s feelings, and we don’t want that. Why? Because it makes them feeling guilty for their current wealth😏 (insert sarcasm)
Victimhood
It’s a shame that all of the people who know what CRT stands for, do not understand what it is and when it’s presented in the course of education
Agreed.
Awareness check, ask them what that the difference is between a critical theory and a traditional theory.
@mericanmodi8479 Great response and %100 true. I can promise you that the average viewer of this segment thinks "critical theory" pioneered by Horkheimer in the 30's is really "critical thinking". I also agree the history is fascinating - But how do you relate that to public ? Btw the best, most coherent definition of critical theory is at the Stanford school's encyclopedia of philosophy.
@mericanmodi8479 There's a dishonesty component, that I find troubling. Crenshaw knows what tenants are in it. She's studied aspects of it for 25+ years. Joy Ried, to a tiny extent, knows what it is. There's aspects of it with a lineage to some very dark parts of history. They never share it with their audience.
Crenshaw does explain one thing very clearly, the individual does not count, the collective must be persecuted. Well done.
I learned CRT in the 80's as a white elementary school kid. I assure you, I didn't "hate my whiteness". I was proud to be educated and to learn the history of America so that we could do things differently. Our kids are white kids who learn CRT in public school. They are educated, empathic, and wise - and have never been made to feel responsible or guilty about white American foundations of enslavement. They are curious, and have incredible ideas for our future.
Never again will I allow the demons 😈 of fear to control my life.
And that's right out of the Bible as well. 2 Timothy 1:7. English Standard Version
"for God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control."
TELL IT!!!!!!! ♥️
Yes! Anyone who's taught truthfully about African American history and culture at the K-12 levels knows there's great interest among all students - including White kids- who desire to understand how "race" became such a divisive issue in our country. All of our youth need to know the truth about our nation's historical devaluing of black lives and how that devaluing, erasure and systemic oppression is alive in all of our institutions, perhaps most especially in employment, in our schools and in the criminal justice system.
As a white man, Ms. Crenshaw recalled my exact experience when learning about Critical Race Theory at 5:36 when she describes how an actual understanding of the principle partly exonerates the individual from personal responsibility for the racism that is perpetuated by structures within society, government, and other institutions. At the same time, it focuses a lens on one's own behavior and all of the small unintentional ways that the individual perpetuates the structures. For me, it was a life changing experience that I think about every day and has had a profoundly positive impact on my relationships with everyone I encounter in my daily life.
When you empathize and identify with the heroes of our history, our history is a story of continual forward movement from one victory to the next.
When you empathize and identify with the villains of our history, our history is a long string of humiliating defeats.
The question I'd ask is... Why would anyone empathize with the villains? And why should we care about their delicate precious feelies?
They "empathize with the villains" because they too are the villains!
Villains come in all shapes, colours and sizes.
Most people have little empathy for them, nor do they care about their feelies.
Gotta work together.
One life, One planet.
Godspeed.
Ask Hercule Poirot. Or any sociology professor. Or judge. Or politician. One must understand villains and villainy to function in a society. Ignoring that sort of thing doesn't mean it goes away.
The lost cause was allowed to fester. No consequences for those that seceded. No consequences for the rich slave owners and their participating offspring. And here we are...
When you start by dividing history into lists of "heroes" and "villains," you have already committed yourself to mythology instead of history.
ENLIGHTENING….
She is amazing.\
Classic non American democrat funded fake unfed unresponsive bot
@Sara Mill education is important.
Bill Rodriguez, I lived in Florida for twenty years. I moved away because of the ignorant people that wouldn't consider views of others. Maybe I'm the bot you describe or just maybe I'm an Honorably discharged former Marine Sergeant that sees through more compassionate eyes than you.
Sara Mill,. Woke is an unusually popular word these days. It's seems to be used quite often by those that choose to sleep.
The"fear" is real....smh!
Excellent Ali.
She is revealing the whole truth
Education is the foundation.
She so smart, and really explains their motives behind their nonsense
Get more black students to excel in math & science
Never again will I allow the demons 😈 of rejection to control my life.
Keep this momentum going✊🏾
The history book I had in high school had a drawing of Frederick Douglas that made me think he was white. I didn't learn that he was a Black man until I was in my twenties. I imagine they will do the same thing to MLK and make people think he was white in the future.
Critical Race Theory (CRT) is not being taught other than in law school. CRT is not part of the high school AP African American Studies course. The fact that CRT was removed as mandatory (and made optional) from the AP African American Studies course proves that Critical Race Theory is correct.
To @user-qj5bz1my7k. Your comment is spot on. Thank you.
@@normaeason8734 You realize i was being sarcastic, right? i mean it's an entirely circular argument solely intended to show she is right so she can sell more of her books
@@DC-rd6oq Except that this isn't what she was arguing. It's at best a straw man, and at worst a word salad tossed by someone who didn't understand what they were listening to.
@@mr.flibble3190 i didn't create the word salad, Crenshaw did. And what exactly do you think she Is arguing?
@@DC-rd6oq You did not understand what she said. Listen again. Take notes if you need to.
Amazing interview❤
Never again will I allow the accuser to accuse me, for I am washed and cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.
~ Revelation 1:5; 7:14 (NKJV) 🕊
As a person labeled Afro-American, their version of Afro American studies is 20% fiction, 20% falsehood, 20% short stories, 20% creative writing & 20% denying our culture is the major reason we lack wealth.
I really appreciate my mom and dad more now then ever. They were not Harvard grads in the boule class just simple hard working non-whining people who brought me Black dolls and taught us Black history and instilled in us Black pride. I am 65 so you know the environment they were in. Now days we act like we have to beg White people to teach us our history and let them throw in a bunch of stuff that has got absolutely nothing to do with Black history. They have us shouting about Black and Brown but I see the Brown people trying to get ahead academically and financially and not playing around with these people over foolishness.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 🤗🙌🏾🗣️📣💯% TEACH SISTAH, TEACH.....!!!! ✊🏾
I dare any of the trolls on here to explain why being "woke" is bad, or give me examples, proof, that CRT is being taught anywhere other than graduate level college courses.
Watch it you wokie
@@bobice4295 we can. So, since republicans can't, or cannot accept it, I guess that makes you woke
@@bobice4295 yes she can. She didn't because that was not the time to answer stupid questions from republicans.
@@bobice4295 ok. And?
@@bobice4295 no she isn't. Try again, I know it's difficult for you.
Never again will I be beneath and not above.
~ Deuteronomy 28:13 (NKJV)
And Moses said to the people, "Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see 👀 the salvation of the LORD, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see 👀 today today. For the Egyptians whom you see 👀 today, you shall see again no more forever."
~Exodus 14:13 (NKJV) 🕊
Well that didn't age well.
Ms Crenshaw I know what you are saying is true not all white people are afraid of the truth great show Ari
Here is the kicker, CRT is essential to the health of the nation.
She is so nervous her grift is coming to an end. 🤡
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Never again will I be bound, for Christ has made me free. I am free indeed.
~ John 8:36 (NKJV) 🕊
Racism 101. Call it what it is
Never again will I act hypocritically.
~ Mark 7:6 (NKJV)
Never again will the heavens be shut over my life, but the Lord has opened the windows 🪟 of heaven.
~ Malachi 3:10 (NKJV) 🕊
Blessings to all of goodwill. God loves us all. America belongs to all of us. Keep the faith. Thank you, LORD. 🕊
The counter position to her position is her position! If racism is so bad out here in these streets, why is she successful? Why is she so respected? Racism doesn't seem to have held her back.
If this revised AP African studies class is a product, then Florida's highschool students have have been given a defective product.
As long as the product sells, it is a good product in our system, whether or not it works. That's why we still have sugary cereals on the market. Do they still have commercials that tout such cereals as "part of a healthy breakfast," when the cereal is the only part that isn't healthy in the picture of the breakfast that pops up on the screen? As Mr. Velshi points out, if you can prevent a product from selling, it automatically becomes a bad product to be discontinued. That is the argument being made here: that the College Board made a business decision that has nothing to do with effective vs defective education but only with catering to the opinions of certain politicians and their supporters, who don't prioritize effective teaching and learning.
'segregation'
If there's segregation, its SELF-IMPOSED.
Ron Desantis for president 1864 😂
To @victormuhammad2678 I love you comment. Good 👍 one.
or working on chain gang
Never again will I allow the devil to do what he desires in my life, but I resist the devil, and he flees from me.
~ James 4:7 (NKJV) 🕊
Never again will I be a slave to Satan; I am now a servant of Christ.
why not have college board CEO David Coleman and a panel including Dr. Kimberle Crenshaw et. al. ? this issue is not a conversation but a debate. Digital journalism's goal is to gain ad dollars not resolve important issues.
How about studies on something needed like police reform? They still haven't got it right and need help immediately!
It's been tried and failed. After George Floyd riots, many cities defunded the police. This led to more dead blacks. Now, all of these cities are rushing to fund police, but it's too late. They followed the lead of a Marxist Organization, BLM to their own demise. Memphis had 302 murders in 2022,none involving police. Where is the outrage?
@Merican Modi What we, here and now, need most of all is Merican Modi reform.
Her distorted view of the world is harming generations of people. No one should hear to any word she’s uttering. What this women is saying absolute crazy.
Never again will I labor and work in vain.
~ Isaiah 65:23 (NKJV)
History is repeating itself. 🙄
Hidden Crimes
The Mason-Dixie line was a great example of a segregated education.
Like were at 777. I simply had to add one.
I do like her, which is a plus.
Never again will I tolerate the works of the devil 😈 in my life, for Jesus came and destroyed the works of the devil.
1st John 3:8 (NKJV) 🕊
This is an important discussion. Congress?
She's not a congresswoman.
Minute 7:05
Wait...so you're telling me that the College Board moved ideological theories (like Intersectionality and CRT) into an optional category that allows them to be taught not as fact, but as....theories?
And that is "dangerous", why?
Oh yeah, because this has far more to do with a certain vein of revolutionary-left theories not being presented as one of many perspectives, but being trumpeted as fact. That was a nice sleight of hand Dr. Crenshaw...You almost got me.
“The very power of [textbook writers] depends on the fact that they are dealing with a boy: a boy who thinks he is ‘doing’ his ‘English prep’ and has no notion that ethics, theology, and politics are all at stake. It is not a theory they put into his mind, but an assumption, which ten years hence, its origin forgotten and its presence unconscious, will condition him to take one side in a controversy which he has never recognized as a controversy at all.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
If a teacher cannot explore facts and laws without relying on buzz phrases, how good would the course be? If the facts reveal what needs to be revealed to the students, why quibble over words and phrasing?
Racism isn't like it's made out to be, just like she said about the whites stepping between cops and blacks. Perception and reality on RACISM isn't the same.
Hence the need for education.
With all due respect to the honorable civil rights movement. The real struggle right now is the marginalized rights and systematic oppresion of those who didn't take the inoculation. When your kids ask, "What did you do to protect the marginalized during the pandemic" What will you tell them ?
No. The US 🇺🇲 doesn't get to just jump over an constant campaign of terror, violence, oppression & disenfranchisement of Black people since the Transatlantic Slave Trade to the present. It doesn't work that way. Full American history Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) should be taught without the White agenda of LGBTQIA. The debt is owed. God is watching.
@@sistahb5159 What did you do to protect the marginalized during the pandemic ?
@@oceania2385 Again, this issue that is being addressed in the video is the continuation of AP African American History. You stated that the Civil Rights Movement wasn't your concern (even though it was barely used to empower American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS), yet used to help ALL non-Black people, LGBTQIA, illegal & legal immigrants & anymore else the US 🇺🇲 could add in). In fact, White women received 83% of Affirmative Action followed by other groups. ADOS got in the lower single digits. Again, you are speaking on your specific concerns and bringing them to Black people to address on your behalf. Go out & do your own work!!! ADOS are NOT. your MULES!!! 250+ years of chattel slavery, Devil's Punchbowl Holocaust, prison leasing & sharecropping, post Reconstruction terror, lynching, kicking off jobs & out of the Senate & Congress, stealing land, the US 🇺🇲 government destroying - bombing, burning & putting dozens of prosperous Black towns under water, redlining, Black servicemen getting lynched in uniform after fighting for this country, no GI Bill, no FHA loan, yet Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians, got GI Bills & FHA loans. Cointelpro, removing jobs, the US 🇺🇲 government putting crack in Black communities to fund the Contra's, mass incarceration, police terror etc... Black communities now have illegal immigrants competing for jobs, taking resources from schools for ESL & lowering our salaries because non-citizens will take lower pay. We have tried to ally with others & had to accept the fact that they are anti-Black & only used the Black Struggle to empower themselves to get resources they don't want us to have. I will fight for my own people. I'm sure you'll continue trying to mule Black people. Good bye.👋
@@sistahb5159 Sorry, but you're interpreting things I've never wrote, then drowning them in an acronyms. There's a struggle going on right now, you can be an ally or an oppressor. Good night
I need to be in the woman's class!
Redlining.
When "fact checking" is not based on "fact".
Fact checker is a title givin by a company. It means nothing. Liberals love using language to confuse people.
Never again will Pharaoh (Satan) control me because I have been delivered from his power.
The More Things The More They Stay The Same. The Ignorant Wants Control Wants More Power and To Keep You Uninformed.
Never again will I listen to or believe the lies of the devil, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
~ John 8:44 (NKJV)
2006-2021
Anything for a buck. They would change history to make money.