The UK is a signatory of the 1951 Refugee Convention which clearly states that refugees have the right not to be penalised for being in or entering a country without permission where this is necessary for them to seek and receive asylum. The Convention provides an international definition of the world ‘refugee’, which is a person in another country at risk of persecution in her, his or their own country. It sets out certain basic rights of refugees that are necessary for the enjoyment of asylum. These include the right not to be returned to a place where they are at risk of persecution.
A man with no legs applying for disability benefits gets more scrutiny and qyestionning than this 500m pound scheme. I totally agree with Olly about how sickening the Tories fake concern about small boat deaths is. It makes it even more vile.
The issue isn't about the iniquity, inhumanity, illegality and illigitimacy of the odious Rwanda policy, nor ruling that night is day and black is white - no. The truly terrifying matter is that as of last night, the UKs Legislature has overruled the Judiciary, thereby breaking the Separation of Powers, the final safeguard to ALL of our rights, a principle that has been in place and sacrosanct since Henry VIII. That's what we have just lost - never mind whether the Rwanda policy is right or wrong. The HOC has just bitten a huge, debilitating, unprecedented and very significant chunk out of the Rule of Law of the United Kingdom. And that is really, truly sinister, and a massive step to losing more - or in theory, all - of our rights. If a PM can now overrule the Supreme (highest) Court of the United Kingdom, who can overrule the PM? The King no longer has that power, if he wants to keep his head. So as of yesterday, Mr Rich Sunkrat, surreptitiously assumed greater powers than ANY of his predecessors. THAT was the aim of the Rwanda ruse - to subvert OUR Rule of Law and weaken our rights. He doesn't care a flying fck about boats, asylum seekers, national reputation, legality or human decency. Beware !! The step taken yesterday is tantamount to merging democracy seamlessly into autocracy, and possibly fascism. We have just witnessed a VERY sinister change to our unwritten and fragile constitution, and nobody is discussing it, apart from a few lawyers and academics.
The expat stuff is so funny to me, because a lot of them will still turn around and hate on immigrants without realising they are one. It really goes to show that, in their mind, "immigrant" just means "brown person".
'What do you mean I've moved to Spain and they don't speak English?!! The absolute nerve of these foreigners!!! Anyway, where's my chips, The S*n, the footie and Wetherstones?..'
I have never been more embarrassed and ashamed to be British. This scheme is disgusting, Immoral and is clearly going to be ineffective. Where has the empathy and humanity gone? 😔
I think the BBC needs to take a harder line on MPs abusing their position and insulting presenters. The BBC has a duty of care to their staff and they need to be more blunt to those who were like that MP on the Today show
All this debacle could’ve been avoided completely! During Brexit Boris the dummy had the opportunity to renegotiate the Dublin agreement as offered by EU but he decided NO and said “we’d have our own” scheme all too much of a hurry to “get Brexit done” …. Such incompetence is breathtaking.!!!
That journalist putting the reasonable and practical questions she thinks should be answered: she is also a member of the british public, a taxpayer, part of whose money has paid for this ridiculously expensive Rwanda policy. Therefore how DARE that Tory politician be rude to her when he is supposed to be a public servant representing and answerable to all British taxpayers she asks questions on behalf of!
When my aunt died her estate paid £54,000 in inheritance tax, about 3 months later they came after her estate again for 72p!!! Yet they are spending £1.7m per head for the Rwanda plan and I believe the agreement is the UK take some migrants from Rwanda !!!! HATE THIS GOVERNMENT and am starting to detest the UK in a major way but am not wealthy or talented enough to leave!!!!😮
For the 'Fighting aged men' I've always heard people talk as if to mean that they are having a go at them for leaving their country at war rather than fight for it - drawing some kind of cowardice conclusion, so it was interesting to hear your take regarding a threat of insurgency.
American here...When the media here talks about "fighting age men" they are definitely meaning "angry young brown men, who will rape your daughters and rob your houses." People aren't scared of kids, women, old people, but young healthy men (especially if they are tan or darker) scare the piss out of white America.
I'm not sure what's more shocking; I'm agreeing with our wee Sami of the DUP re those who've served the British military. Or that a DUP member is being used as a good example on politics Joe.....credit where it's due Sami and the DUP for sticking up for Afghan asylum seekers!
I must correct you on the ex-pat comments at the end. As a working ex-pat (Saudi Arabia, Oman, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, PNG, Caribbean, Ireland, Scotland etc) over 40 years and a retired ex-pat (Spanish residencia) there is not any situation real or imagined where I would return to Broken Britain. Having paid my parent's pensions through many years of voluntary and compulsory Class 2 NIC, I look forward to receiving my Triple Locked Pension in a few months, paid for by my sons. My three Ibiza flights from Alicante were booked months ago, look forward to seeing any of you in Pikes this summer.
This is final nail in Sunak's coffin. It wouldn't work and in a few months when the boats are still coming it will be obvious to everyone its not a deterrent and then he will say it needs more time. Sunak's out of time
Just to add, my earlier point is because Oli has such great insight and understanding i need to hear his actual views. The Calais discussion being a great example .... though my favourit episode is the xmas/ new year p!ss up. Keep it up people, great channel
I’d like to hear a discussion on the logistics of covering UK & Westminster politics. How you go about deciding what to cover, lobby journalism, choosing where to send Ed to do talking heads etc
Spin off Podcasts on personal things about you - childhood, teenage years, fav place to travel, fav beer - you know the random streams of consciousness but on another level
Any willing government could stip the boats overnight by setting up a refugee processing center in France and sending anyone who comes over to be processed there amd establish safe and legal routes for seeking asylum. I thonk Laboyr are afraid to say it out loyd because of how it will be reported in Tory press.
I’ve listened to the Today show for 20 years - I’m in my mid 20s now - and god damn I love Michelle! She always knows her shit and will always humiliate you if you get on the wrong side of her. Also - that was the most sexist comment from an MP on the Today show I’ve ever heard. Disgusting - and to think he represents us, the people of Britain. Shame on the Tories!!!
Interesting conversation. I did some cursory googling and found that yearly in the UK there are approximately: 610,000 births 667,500 deaths 70,000 unauthorized arrivals So, the number of people entering the country via unauthorized boat crossings just about mitigates against natural population shrinkage. So anyone who does genuinely have a problem with our 750,000 yearly net migration figure should stop demonizing people crossing the channel in small boats and instead quiz MPs on their broader authorised migration policies.
Every year there are almost 700,000 international students studying in the UK. As far as i’m aware, these are included in immigration stats. If we assume then that they all do 3 year courses, that’s 233,000 of the immigration explained by bad policy and reliance on international students.
Agree 100% on the putting a processing centre in France. If that happened then the government would not have anybody to blame for the mess they have made of the country. This government does not care about anyone but themselves
As a Brit who moved to the States, personally I enjoy the look of confusion on local's faces when I describe myself as an immigrant. I don't fit their image of an immigrant. Apparently I'm the wrong colour for that word and I speak English.
I identify as an Iranian ex-pat as even though I was born in the UK and have been told I'm a Tory with my posh voice, I've been asked so many times whether I like it in the UK, and I love it here. I have stolen someone else's job that they probably couldn't do anyway, but I have stolen someone else's house, hospital bed, school place, and GP appointment. I'll still insist on being called an ex-pat.
Honestly yous have such an energy you can have spin-off where you just talk about piss or about best kebab in Hackney, it's an amazing background always :P
There is a distinction between expats and immigrants. Immigrants settle. Expats are on temporary work visas. Having said that, I was an expat for my entire childhood so my folks certainly weren't in any hurry to get back to the UK.
The Rwanda bill has not been tested yet. If it succeeds in a few weeks time and the flights are able to take off, then the UK government doesn't have to leave the ECHR. Also let's see if it works.
3:00 In New zealand there's a rugged chocolate biscuit called "Afghans"... As a child I heard of the biscuit before I heard of the people... So everytime someone says "Afghan" I think of the biscuits... If you ever get a chance, try one, there nice.
Would it not be a wonderful world if we asked a question of a politician and they gave us an actual answer, instead of skirting around it or answering a different question or just plain treating us like fools. They truly seem to believe that if they say something it must be fact and that we don't know what a lie sounds like. It doesn't seem to matter which party it is, we ask questions, they lie. I, as I am sure many other people are, am sick of it.
I think the "military aged men" line is more about stirring up a sense of - why are they fleeing injustice rather than fighting for their "sovereignty" or future back home? That's how I have always read that line. I think this chimes with English people because of our military history and our long term sovereignty as a nation. It misses that there is often a lack of cohesive national identity in the countries which migrants are leaving, which is something that Britain does have, as an island and successful historical power.
Do they seriously think if we had to into another war with boots on the ground we would get people volunteering to help our troops? Why would they given the shabby way they treated the Afghans?
We will look back on the days some of us were still having "civilized" conversations whilst wearing dead animal skin without realizing how barbaric that actually is.
"it's not your question but it's my answer" is an unbelievable statement
seems sadly normal given the last decade
I'll try that one next time they question me on disability benefits (I work and an a wheelchair user)
That Minister is typical of the Tories. They only want their client media to question them. And he was being sexist.
The UK is a signatory of the 1951 Refugee Convention which clearly states that refugees have the right not to be penalised for being in or entering a country without permission where this is necessary for them to seek and receive asylum. The Convention provides an international definition of the world ‘refugee’, which is a person in another country at risk of persecution in her, his or their own country. It sets out certain basic rights of refugees that are necessary for the enjoyment of asylum. These include the right not to be returned to a place where they are at risk of persecution.
Thanks for the history lesson.
I've got a Nigerian man In my spare room. What are you doing for the housing crisis
Oli is right when he says its obvious none of these politicians care about the humans in the boats
Truly this is the worst government I've ever experienced
And wait till how low they will sink when the general election kicks off.
A man with no legs applying for disability benefits gets more scrutiny and qyestionning than this 500m pound scheme.
I totally agree with Olly about how sickening the Tories fake concern about small boat deaths is. It makes it even more vile.
As a man with no legs, I completely agree.
You could train 7,400 nurses for the money spent on the Rwanda scheme.
...But then you'd need functioning hospitals for them to work in (I don't mean the ones in Australia).
You could build a town and solve the housing crisis with the amount the NHS costs a week.
For £500,000,000 you could build 2000 MMC social houses outright or grant fund (between 30-50% of the full build cost) up to 4000 MMC social houses.
Logic time: All of the refugees to be sent to Rwanda have already been selected therefore it is not a deterrent.
😂
Logic time. You have little logic.
@@jstewart4205 can you point out the lack of logic?
@@RichardFraser-y9t Not that I agree with the plan but the detterent is to people thinking about illigally imegrating not people already here...
really? no shit sherlock
where did op say otherwise?
Jacob would know what gestapo cos play looks like
He also knows what a pencil cosplay looks like. Just needs to wear a pink fez to complete the look
The issue isn't about the iniquity, inhumanity, illegality and illigitimacy of the odious Rwanda policy, nor ruling that night is day and black is white - no. The truly terrifying matter is that as of last night, the UKs Legislature has overruled the Judiciary, thereby breaking the Separation of Powers, the final safeguard to ALL of our rights, a principle that has been in place and sacrosanct since Henry VIII. That's what we have just lost - never mind whether the Rwanda policy is right or wrong. The HOC has just bitten a huge, debilitating, unprecedented and very significant chunk out of the Rule of Law of the United Kingdom. And that is really, truly sinister, and a massive step to losing more - or in theory, all - of our rights. If a PM can now overrule the Supreme (highest) Court of the United Kingdom, who can overrule the PM? The King no longer has that power, if he wants to keep his head. So as of yesterday, Mr Rich Sunkrat, surreptitiously assumed greater powers than ANY of his predecessors. THAT was the aim of the Rwanda ruse - to subvert OUR Rule of Law and weaken our rights. He doesn't care a flying fck about boats, asylum seekers, national reputation, legality or human decency. Beware !! The step taken yesterday is tantamount to merging democracy seamlessly into autocracy, and possibly fascism. We have just witnessed a VERY sinister change to our unwritten and fragile constitution, and nobody is discussing it, apart from a few lawyers and academics.
The expat stuff is so funny to me, because a lot of them will still turn around and hate on immigrants without realising they are one. It really goes to show that, in their mind, "immigrant" just means "brown person".
'What do you mean I've moved to Spain and they don't speak English?!!
The absolute nerve of these foreigners!!!
Anyway, where's my chips, The S*n, the footie and Wetherstones?..'
I have never been more embarrassed and ashamed to be British. This scheme is disgusting, Immoral and is clearly going to be ineffective. Where has the empathy and humanity gone? 😔
I think the BBC needs to take a harder line on MPs abusing their position and insulting presenters. The BBC has a duty of care to their staff and they need to be more blunt to those who were like that MP on the Today show
All this debacle could’ve been avoided completely! During Brexit Boris the dummy had the opportunity to renegotiate the Dublin agreement as offered by EU but he decided NO and said “we’d have our own” scheme all too much of a hurry to “get Brexit done” …. Such incompetence is breathtaking.!!!
That journalist putting the reasonable and practical questions she thinks should be answered: she is also a member of the british public, a taxpayer, part of whose money has paid for this ridiculously expensive Rwanda policy. Therefore how DARE that Tory politician be rude to her when he is supposed to be a public servant representing and answerable to all British taxpayers she asks questions on behalf of!
Ed “Golden Shower Boi” Campbell is absent, working on his Mark Mingey material for Edinburgh Fringe.
When my aunt died her estate paid £54,000 in inheritance tax, about 3 months later they came after her estate again for 72p!!! Yet they are spending £1.7m per head for the Rwanda plan and I believe the agreement is the UK take some migrants from Rwanda !!!! HATE THIS GOVERNMENT and am starting to detest the UK in a major way but am not wealthy or talented enough to leave!!!!😮
How many migrants do you have living with you? My old man didn't have enough to pay inheritance tax but I still was able to buy a home.
For the 'Fighting aged men' I've always heard people talk as if to mean that they are having a go at them for leaving their country at war rather than fight for it - drawing some kind of cowardice conclusion, so it was interesting to hear your take regarding a threat of insurgency.
American here...When the media here talks about "fighting age men" they are definitely meaning "angry young brown men, who will rape your daughters and rob your houses." People aren't scared of kids, women, old people, but young healthy men (especially if they are tan or darker) scare the piss out of white America.
I'm not sure what's more shocking; I'm agreeing with our wee Sami of the DUP re those who've served the British military. Or that a DUP member is being used as a good example on politics Joe.....credit where it's due Sami and the DUP for sticking up for Afghan asylum seekers!
Ava rocking the 2001 River Island style oversized jacket....I bloody love it. Keep up the look gangster
It feels like it only went through because the Lords are largely elderly and just wanted to go to bed.
LOVE PODCASTS HATE NONCES IT'S THE POLITICS JOE PODCAST LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!! 🎉
I must correct you on the ex-pat comments at the end. As a working ex-pat (Saudi Arabia, Oman, Abu Dhabi, Bahrain, PNG, Caribbean, Ireland, Scotland etc) over 40 years and a retired ex-pat (Spanish residencia) there is not any situation real or imagined where I would return to Broken Britain. Having paid my parent's pensions through many years of voluntary and compulsory Class 2 NIC, I look forward to receiving my Triple Locked Pension in a few months, paid for by my sons. My three Ibiza flights from Alicante were booked months ago, look forward to seeing any of you in Pikes this summer.
Instead of this stunt maybe just like, set up an actual legal route to fix the issue? Oh because then they can't get their media blitz.
A dark day 😢 #toriesout #rejointheeu #nooneisillegal
It's sunny up north...but it's even sunnier in Rhonda.
This is final nail in Sunak's coffin. It wouldn't work and in a few months when the boats are still coming it will be obvious to everyone its not a deterrent and then he will say it needs more time. Sunak's out of time
You should do a spin off podcast about politics
Just to add, my earlier point is because Oli has such great insight and understanding i need to hear his actual views. The Calais discussion being a great example
.... though my favourit episode is the xmas/ new year p!ss up. Keep it up people, great channel
I mean I’d be well up for a History of British Politics from politics joe
One of those days when grotesque political horror becomes reality - we should all feel ashamed
I’d like to hear a discussion on the logistics of covering UK & Westminster politics. How you go about deciding what to cover, lobby journalism, choosing where to send Ed to do talking heads etc
Oli showing his colours as an enthusiastic vexillologist is just 👌
Spin off Podcasts on personal things about you - childhood, teenage years, fav place to travel, fav beer - you know the random streams of consciousness but on another level
This has to be the first time Sammy has actually done something useful.
Nice one Ava for doing your best to keep Oli from arsing about too much :)Loved Mingie and the rest of the chatter but save it for the Pubcasts
Any willing government could stip the boats overnight by setting up a refugee processing center in France and sending anyone who comes over to be processed there amd establish safe and legal routes for seeking asylum. I thonk Laboyr are afraid to say it out loyd because of how it will be reported in Tory press.
Lol, so many typos I can't be arsed to correct them. 😅
They are firing in all directions, with no plan, hoping things will fall into place.
so which ones will make lot's of taxpayers money in there back pockets ££££££££
Why are you both wearing Matrix jackets to film the podcast anyway, does Oli keep the office thermostat locked in his draw to save money?
I’ve listened to the Today show for 20 years - I’m in my mid 20s now - and god damn I love Michelle! She always knows her shit and will always humiliate you if you get on the wrong side of her. Also - that was the most sexist comment from an MP on the Today show I’ve ever heard. Disgusting - and to think he represents us, the people of Britain. Shame on the Tories!!!
I love the way sunak keeps saying we are a law abiding country
Hes off to San Francisco before they have counted all of the ballots on election night.
Came for the politics, stayed for Ava's outfit. Ava where's your jacket from girl?!? 😍
The union jack is the butchers apron in many parts of the uk
Assume you meant many parts of the world (India, lots of the African continent, Ireland to name a few)
Interesting conversation.
I did some cursory googling and found that yearly in the UK there are approximately:
610,000 births
667,500 deaths
70,000 unauthorized arrivals
So, the number of people entering the country via unauthorized boat crossings just about mitigates against natural population shrinkage. So anyone who does genuinely have a problem with our 750,000 yearly net migration figure should stop demonizing people crossing the channel in small boats and instead quiz MPs on their broader authorised migration policies.
Every year there are almost 700,000 international students studying in the UK. As far as i’m aware, these are included in immigration stats. If we assume then that they all do 3 year courses, that’s 233,000 of the immigration explained by bad policy and reliance on international students.
I saw a Sky interview with illegal migrants yesterday, most of them said they would not have tried to come if they knew they would be send to Rwanda.
I would have thought that this bill would be seen as toxic as it's been batted between both houses so frequently.
I heard that interview on radio 4 this morning by chance, Tomlinson was abhorrent. Oscillating between evasive and aggressive, absolutely shameful.
Agree 100% on the putting a processing centre in France. If that happened then the government would not have anybody to blame for the mess they have made of the country. This government does not care about anyone but themselves
Holy shit... Sammy wilson talking sense..
As a Brit who moved to the States, personally I enjoy the look of confusion on local's faces when I describe myself as an immigrant. I don't fit their image of an immigrant. Apparently I'm the wrong colour for that word and I speak English.
ALL POLITICS, NO PISS.
IT’S THE POLITICS JOE PODCAST LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!………WOOO!!
After bouncing between the Commons and the Lords the Bill took shape. Here it is 💩
I identify as an Iranian ex-pat as even though I was born in the UK and have been told I'm a Tory with my posh voice, I've been asked so many times whether I like it in the UK, and I love it here. I have stolen someone else's job that they probably couldn't do anyway, but I have stolen someone else's house, hospital bed, school place, and GP appointment. I'll still insist on being called an ex-pat.
Well said Sammy Wilson…
OMG that minister is a disgrace what on earth was that about
Honestly yous have such an energy you can have spin-off where you just talk about piss or about best kebab in Hackney, it's an amazing background always :P
It's giving "Matron never dared speak to me like this"
My word Sammy being progressive.....a modern day miracle !!
There is a distinction between expats and immigrants. Immigrants settle. Expats are on temporary work visas. Having said that, I was an expat for my entire childhood so my folks certainly weren't in any hurry to get back to the UK.
England must be so proud that their government has brought back the 1700's.
That Tory minister was incredulous.
37:00 I for one would quite enjoy a PolJoe Nazi-discussion episode
The Rwanda bill has not been tested yet. If it succeeds in a few weeks time and the flights are able to take off, then the UK government doesn't have to leave the ECHR. Also let's see if it works.
This is literally Tony Abbott trying to make a Nauru of Manus Island for the Brits.
3:00 In New zealand there's a rugged chocolate biscuit called "Afghans"...
As a child I heard of the biscuit before I heard of the people... So everytime someone says "Afghan" I think of the biscuits... If you ever get a chance, try one, there nice.
Sound technician losing it during that radio interview😂
Sammy Wilson the politician for people that wash paper plates
Mortgage/renting spin off, could broarden it to financial talk specific around young people.
Book these two on the first fight that goes out.
Wow house of commons looked packed
‘Oh Michelle’ ‘No Michelle’ ‘that’s not true Michelle’ - god he sounds more like a divorcee than a man with any dignity never mind an MP
Would it not be a wonderful world if we asked a question of a politician and they gave us an actual answer, instead of skirting around it or answering a different question or just plain treating us like fools. They truly seem to believe that if they say something it must be fact and that we don't know what a lie sounds like. It doesn't seem to matter which party it is, we ask questions, they lie. I, as I am sure many other people are, am sick of it.
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and [Applause] gentlemen
I think the "military aged men" line is more about stirring up a sense of - why are they fleeing injustice rather than fighting for their "sovereignty" or future back home? That's how I have always read that line. I think this chimes with English people because of our military history and our long term sovereignty as a nation. It misses that there is often a lack of cohesive national identity in the countries which migrants are leaving, which is something that Britain does have, as an island and successful historical power.
Journalists questioning government ministers are supposed to be incredulous... its the whole job...
Ava is still winning the battle of the leathers
Disgusting way to speak to someone as a minister of this country
Brillaint Episode
This government is utterly disgusting
£63k for each person, not better thought of nor made a human being.
Huh???
@@jstewart420563k per person. People don’t value them as any more, nor are people seeing them as human beings
Do they seriously think if we had to into another war with boots on the ground we would get people volunteering to help our troops? Why would they given the shabby way they treated the Afghans?
Well we need a PolJoe reacts to Robbie Williams at Knebworth video, so the spin off may as well be a reacts to... series!
i wonder what they would do as this issue collapses the country
Amazing
Ava...why don't we get THEM...to tell us....etc... 😮 = THEM...= diminishing AF....
I'm all for just two hosts going forward. Yesterday's Pod was a PISS TAKE
We will look back on the days some of us were still having "civilized" conversations whilst wearing dead animal skin without realizing how barbaric that actually is.
Dugmore looking like Indie there in the leather.
Did the 3rd leather happen? We must know. Inform the people.
Please do a spin off podcast on the Stasi. Thank you.
If they can afford all this leather we are clearly paying them too much.
Damn I was into the vexilology chat until it got cut short
Please do a history podcast.
We need a spin off podcast on Edwina Currie
Spin-off podcast idea; The varieties of piss...through the ages
£11k easily business to Australia
First class ticket LHR to SYD in 12 weeks time £6k
Business class ticket LHR to WEL in 12 weeks time £6k
Sunak's Rhondda scheme passes into law as Wales is declared a safe country.
Northern Irish politicians deep dive, so many comical characters
Ava looks like a goomba from the Super Mario Bros movie in that jacket.