I just want to say - I share your sentiment and went to a concert recently for this symphony. It was very similar to Karajan's interpretation and I was in tears. Beautiful.
Diese Symphonie spricht meine Gefühle am stärksten von allen Beethoven Symphonien an und deshalb war die Pastorale schon immer meine Lieblingssymphonie ... auch wenn Karajan etwas zu schnell unterwegs damit ist, - aber das ist wohl Geschmackssache ?! Mindestens Einer hat es jedenfalls als genau richtig so empfunden - er selbst! Es ist gut, wie fast alles von Karajan mit den Berliner Philharmonikern ... aber diesmal eben etwas zu schnell für mich 'ggg'
3500 lire... un capitale !! Sul mio grundig como 6, noto come Falcia erba. La puntina e il peso del braccio....eh, altri tempi...ma bellissimi e irripetibiil.. E meno male ,un tesoro cosi' non si puo' dividere... l'anima è personalissima!!!
...i sogni dei bambini...Ecco a cio' a cui si è ispirato...I grandi ste finezze non le capiscono, noi si', dietro le grandi finestre ..la pioggia che mormorava favole infinite ma . vere... Non erano i grandi, solo noi bambini...e io ricordo tutto..Poi misero sul selciato il porfido e tolsero i lastroni medievali.... e la pioggia cambio' lingua..
Para mí, Karajan ha sido el mejor director de las sinfonías de Beethoven, o dicho al revés, las sinfonías de Beethoven dirigidas por Karajan son las mejores, la versión canónica (sobretodo la 9ª)... excepto la 6ª "Pastoral". Creo que Karajan la dirige excesivamente rápida, algo superficial y además falta la repetición. Una interpretación que considero muy buena, muy equilibrada de la sinfonía Pastoral de Beethoven es la del británico Sir Adrian Boult con la London Philarmonic Orchestra en 1977, ni excesivamente rápida ni excesivamente lenta, y tocada íntegramente. La Pastoral de Adrian Boult realmente transmite "alegres sentimientos que despierta la contemplación de los campos"
Lo que no me gusta lamentablemente de esta version de un gigante como lo es Karajam (para mi, el mejor de la historia), es el tiempo, me parece muy rápido, no se disfruta mucho como por ejemplo la versión de Kemplerer. Aun así, no dare dislike. La sexta de Beethoven sera por siempre mi sinfonía favorita del genio de Bonn.
Karajan´s interpretations were typical of this man. No surprise, much to fast. Just a Porsche driver. Enjoy a good alternative: Furtwängler it´s a good alternative!!!!
Maybe it's 'cause this was the first rendition I heard of the piece (I was given the box set of LPs of all 9 symphonies from this 1960s recording session when I was what, 6, maybe 7 years old :) ) , but I've always loved the lively pace and the very un-Karajan-like sense of joy and enthusiasm. The orchestra's magnificent as it should be, and the conductor hasn't turned into the sort of soul-less technocratic automaton we all came to know and loathe toward the end of his career. And it makes GREAT driving music for careering across a snow-covered landscape of backwoods country roads at Christmastime :D
Ever been driving a Porsche ? Did you get it by car to movement 5 ? Done marvelously by Karajan ? And: the silken quality of the violins of the Berliner. Then: the total integration of the sound. The unmistakable joy here mixed with serenity. Karajan really understood Beethoven. The rest is whining. Out of envy ? Making you think that you know better than the maestro. Not possessing a Porsche yourself.
@@sj-237 I've heard two live performances of the 6th (which, I must concede, is probably my single most favorite piece of "serious" music), one by our local chamber orchestra, and one by the Academy of St. Martin-in-The-Fields. Both very closely approximated the dynamics and pacing of that early 60s Berlin recording. So apparently I'm not the only one who thought that was a pretty good interpretation of the symphony. :D (And I was amused by the two trombonists sitting there, darned near immobile, for the whole first three movements, before finally being called upon during the storm :D )
A favorite indeed. His voice is wonderful. Almost wish I was an insomniac.
The Pastorale is one of my favourite symphonies and Karajan's version is the best I have listened to so far.
I just want to say - I share your sentiment and went to a concert recently for this symphony. It was very similar to Karajan's interpretation and I was in tears. Beautiful.
Diese Symphonie spricht meine Gefühle am stärksten von allen Beethoven Symphonien an und deshalb war die Pastorale schon immer meine Lieblingssymphonie ... auch wenn Karajan etwas zu schnell unterwegs damit ist, - aber das ist wohl Geschmackssache ?!
Mindestens Einer hat es jedenfalls als genau richtig so empfunden - er selbst! Es ist gut, wie fast alles von Karajan mit den Berliner Philharmonikern ... aber diesmal eben etwas zu schnell für mich 'ggg'
ÓTIMO !
3500 lire... un capitale !! Sul mio grundig como 6, noto come Falcia erba. La puntina e il peso del braccio....eh, altri tempi...ma bellissimi e irripetibiil.. E meno male ,un tesoro cosi' non si puo' dividere... l'anima è personalissima!!!
la mejor, por dios, y grabada hace tanto tiempo.
...i sogni dei bambini...Ecco a cio' a cui si è ispirato...I grandi ste finezze non le capiscono, noi si',
dietro le grandi finestre ..la pioggia che mormorava favole infinite ma . vere... Non erano i grandi, solo noi bambini...e io ricordo tutto..Poi misero sul selciato il porfido e tolsero i lastroni medievali.... e la pioggia cambio' lingua..
Best conduction, Worst ad.
Para mí, Karajan ha sido el mejor director de las sinfonías de Beethoven, o dicho al revés, las sinfonías de Beethoven dirigidas por Karajan son las mejores, la versión canónica (sobretodo la 9ª)... excepto la 6ª "Pastoral". Creo que Karajan la dirige excesivamente rápida, algo superficial y además falta la repetición. Una interpretación que considero muy buena, muy equilibrada de la sinfonía Pastoral de Beethoven es la del británico Sir Adrian Boult con la London Philarmonic Orchestra en 1977, ni excesivamente rápida ni excesivamente lenta, y tocada íntegramente. La Pastoral de Adrian Boult realmente transmite "alegres sentimientos que despierta la contemplación de los campos"
Lo que no me gusta lamentablemente de esta version de un gigante como lo es Karajam (para mi, el mejor de la historia), es el tiempo, me parece muy rápido, no se disfruta mucho como por ejemplo la versión de Kemplerer. Aun así, no dare dislike. La sexta de Beethoven sera por siempre mi sinfonía favorita del genio de Bonn.
Karajan´s interpretations were typical of this man. No surprise, much to fast. Just a Porsche driver. Enjoy a good alternative:
Furtwängler it´s a good alternative!!!!
Maybe it's 'cause this was the first rendition I heard of the piece (I was given the box set of LPs of all 9 symphonies from this 1960s recording session when I was what, 6, maybe 7 years old :) ) , but I've always loved the lively pace and the very un-Karajan-like sense of joy and enthusiasm. The orchestra's magnificent as it should be, and the conductor hasn't turned into the sort of soul-less technocratic automaton we all came to know and loathe toward the end of his career.
And it makes GREAT driving music for careering across a snow-covered landscape of backwoods country roads at Christmastime :D
Ever been driving a Porsche ? Did you get it by car to movement 5 ? Done marvelously by Karajan ? And: the silken quality of the violins of the Berliner. Then: the total integration of the sound. The unmistakable joy here mixed with serenity. Karajan really understood Beethoven. The rest is whining. Out of envy ? Making you think that you know better than the maestro. Not possessing a Porsche yourself.
@@mrz80 Thank you for this.
@@sj-237 I've heard two live performances of the 6th (which, I must concede, is probably my single most favorite piece of "serious" music), one by our local chamber orchestra, and one by the Academy of St. Martin-in-The-Fields. Both very closely approximated the dynamics and pacing of that early 60s Berlin recording. So apparently I'm not the only one who thought that was a pretty good interpretation of the symphony. :D (And I was amused by the two trombonists sitting there, darned near immobile, for the whole first three movements, before finally being called upon during the storm :D )
You want to see fast? How about nine minutes WITH the repeat? I'll just leave this here ...
ua-cam.com/video/KVDOwZGRou4/v-deo.html
Langweilig 😴😪😒
Ich weiss wirklich nicht, wie man diese wundervolle Symphonie langweilig finden kann.