I understand the legal reasons why this has happened… but Linus handled it terribly and let his own personal bias become part of his statement on the situation.
100% agree, while I certainly understand his feeling towards the Russian state for it's history and current behaviour, individuals that live in that state don't always share the views of their home country and shouldn't be receiving hate for the state's actions.
No one would complain (except real paid trolls) if the removal was handled in a decent way. I.e.: 1. Thank maintainers for their work. 2. Say that because of legal requirements they can't continue working with them for the foreseeable future. What was actually done: 1. Removal with no explanations. 2. Labeling those who objected the _way_ it was done as "paid trolls". 3. A petty nationalist rant from Linus "Turn on your joke of a brain, I'm Finnish, I won't support Russian aggression" (which is totally orthogonal to what the complaints were about). Long story short: it is not the removal that caused the "drama", it is how Linus and Greg handled it and the total disrespect to his co-workers that Linus decided to double on.
26:52 Rolling Release Applications It's not that uncommon that programs and applications have a rolling release model alongside a stable version. Some emulators or some programming tools are a good example of that, updated daily before a monthly release version. Thanks to Flatpak or the AUR or some plugin managers this is easier done than ever.
Re: Clementine - it is most definitely a fork of Amarok: the about dialog offers thanks to "all the contributors of Amarok" and if you look at the source code, it still uses the Amarok namespace in places. Clementine forked Amarok 1.4 because they were unhappy with the direction of Amarok 2. The Amarok developers, OTOH, also returned from a long hiatus in April and released Amarok 3 based on Qt5 (which is a shame it wasn't covered by This Week in Linux) with a Qt6 port scheduled for next year.
@@acubley in the past I really loved Amarok, but I'm not doing local music for many years now, and recently was looking at a local client to handle OpenSubsonic servers and went through both Clementine and Strawberry, and was very disappointed.
I really loved Amarok, in the past, but I gave up on local music a long time ago. I recently tried to see about using Clementine or Strawberry as a local client to an OpenSubsonic API - and was very disappointed.
if "linked to russia" means government agent that's one thing, but if it just means "born/living in russia" it seems discriminatory. Edit: unjustifiably discriminatory for the pedants.
I've been thinking ordinary rn Russians can be two things rn : anti-war and thus be at risk of many things as per Russian law. Russian propaganda brainwashed (or worse - harmed, access stolen, etc) and then the code is at risk from them. I think this protects everyone. That's because of the first point that I still used ct.js for a project.
Ukraine is governed by a foreigner, an ashkenaz "comedian" who used uzis to wipe out the Ukrainian parliament in a "skit", but their fellow slavic brethren/neighbors are the 'invaders'.
Lifetime warranties: the lifetime in question is obviously that of the product - which is usually defined somewhere in the small type, and for this kind of product I'd be surprised if it significantly more than 3 years. Some products define their lifetime as the life of the user - for example: Leatherman multi tool (though I heard of at least one case where Leatherman honored the lifetime warranty for a tool that survived it's owner 😅).
22:13 "the term 'hacker' has already been adopted to something else" If you want to consider prior art, the term 'hacker' was used as the FLOSS community uses it long before it got co-opted to mean "computer badguy". Tell the media "the term 'hacker' has already been adopted to something else" and they shouldn't use it the way they do.
Also, these sanctions are entirely one-sided: Russia(ns) will still have full access to GPL-licensed American software, such as Linux. They can also legally fork said software. They are only prohibited from contributing to them (or at least, the mainline sanction-affected branches). Talk about completely shooting yourself in the foot. It's like saying "I forbid you from eating soup cooked by Russians... but Russia is still allowed to eat any and all soup, including soup cooked by you and me."
@@novoiperkele first, it's not half a million death, but half a million dead and injured. But then in the Iraq war someone estimate over a million dead and injured... and go look for "shock and awe", and see what it means on the battle field. In Gaza the Irsaelian forces are bombing civilians - including schools and hospitals - with US bombs and active military support. And let's not forget that is the US that dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with no respect whatsoever for the civilians deaths and consequences from radiation. Please, don't think that you're the goods of the planet, and open your eyes.
Word filtering. Gotta be careful with which words you choose when it deals with "sensitive" topics. UA-cam will delete key phrases, but also some youtube channels will also delete or filter certain words from it's comment section.
I'm scouring China's "OpenAtom" projects at the moment. They do some pretty interesting micro-kernel stuff... But yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. At this very point in time, I'd rather use a MacBook (may actually buy one tomorrow). I'm also stopping all my donations to open source projects.
Clementine was dormant for so long that people started forking it, thinking it was abandoned. I started using strawberry player, for example, due to all of the deprecated features and unresolved security issues/memory leaks in Clementine.
@@snygg1993I don’t think you understand Linux is too big. The USA has no problem in saying to linux do as we say or something might happen like you breaks will get cut or your wife might “randomly disappear”. You live anywhere in non nuclear state you subject to them.
After the Right to Whisper is abolished, I can imagine a world where people who know the Chinese Remainder Theorem wear a mark on their face. These national assets, who posses the gnosis of secrecy, cannot be allowed to roam freely.
There are already versions of Russian and Chinese distros... this isn't the issue, The issue is that now they are more than likely to create their own OS core which will be used in all the BRICS+ nations, it could be a fork of Linux but that means western Linux will degrade because the west won't use the global south's patches while the global south can use western patches. The west continues to sanction it self out of sheer stupidity and hubris as always.
I'm looking at other areas to direct my money, time, labor and skill-set on. Currently looking at China's "OpenAtom" foundation, and what's going on there (especially in regards to the micro-kernel stuff). I'm so done with the Linux Foundation, and this faux "openness". This entire affair has just demonstrated to the world how fragile "open source" really is, and how controlled it really is. I'm confident there'll be a viable alternative within a few years.
The entire industry is driven by enthusiasts from around the world who contribute to development so that everyone benefits. However, with this kind of influence from governments, there isn’t much difference from proprietary software at all.
TO @@olegfranko8675 ----------------- The Linus Torvalds statement has nothing to do with the US government, and Linus makes the basis for his own action clear enough for the international Linux community. The voices raised in protest are predominantly Russian. Russia, in fact, has a troll farm in Leningrad (aka St. Petersburg) devoted to generating such irresponsible conduct.
A sad day for Linux. What's about other countries, who is next ? Edit: It appears obvious to me that this is the first step to assert US control over the Kernel. Further down the line, the hardware will enforce a version of Linux with 'access US-for law enforcement', etc..
@@STONE69_ What's about Israel ? All the US's wars ? Or, in case you have different view: ban Iran, China, Palestinians or whoever ? I do not think that giving up one of the last places where people can collaborate peacefully is just or smart.
Obeying the laws of the country the organization is incorporated in, does not mean bias. The fact that I'm paying income tax to the country I'm a citizen of, does not mean that I think income tax is legitimate or moral.
@@guss77the Nxzi guard in the watchtower was obeying his country's laws too. The FOSS movement is primarily political, so it totally is a big deal to cave to unjust and immoral sanctions.
@@EJavierPaniaguaLaconich thus doesn't seem very convincing everything you said rests on the assertion that the sanctions against russia are unjust this is such a non argument that your opposition could achieve the same by replacing the nazi guard in your analogy with a russian soldier & the argument would be as valid
Honestly, this drama in the Linux kernel shows that the US is not a good country to have your foundation as a basis. To be honest, I think it's time for the global south to start creating their own alternatives when shit like this happens.
@@snygg1993 Edited in the sense that I had to try 5 times (each comment being deleted) to reword in a manner that you-tube would allow. Use what little of that stuff in your skull and think for a minute. My reply comment was to obviously highlight a disturbing trend with youtube censorship.
@@TonyCsoka Yes, UA-cam does indeed censor misinformation and hate ... and also everything that contains any word that could possible be used in one of these contexts.
Terrible move by the kernel maintainers. This is not a matter of lack of communication, but lack of integrity. Compliance with the government is not an excuse.
If you have watched the video, what you have obviously not, you would know that Linus is Finish ... you know, that country, that Russia threatens to invade and nuke on an almost daily basis. Why should Linus work with people that threaten to slaughter him, his family, all his friends, and so on?
Non-compliance would mean legal ramifications. Would you rather the goverment shutdown the linux foundation? (worse case scenario?) Also note the nuance, it isn't simply "russian maintainers can contribute" but "linux maintainer's can't be employed sanctioned russian companies"
@@fuseteam I would rather someone, anyone, at least question this "law" (both from a moral and legal standpoint) instead of gleefully supporting it. There were legal ramifications for Germans in the 1930s/1940s for not obeying the law too.
@@bkw777 where exactly? Are Linux code used in issuing QR codes in Uyghurs zones? Or what Ai IDF uses rn in Middle east? Hypocrisy, oh humanity, as always.
Huawei and the nature of different sanctions is addressed in the video. wtf are you even talking about? Is this a bot spewing randomly generated words?
@@TonyCsoka You said that it is ridiculous, I told you, that there are legal obligations. Why is the information why comments got deleted "nothing useful"? For example: If you know that lies or propaganda is likely to be removed, then you can avoid censorship by simply sticking to the facts. It is as easy as this.
@@snygg1993 You have no idea what the comment was, so how on earth can you make an assertion as to the legality of said comment (not even going into the vagaries, and complexities of cross border legality on a global social media platform). Again, if you have nothing useful to add, don't bother.
@@lukevost Deep down inside, I think we know who's responsible for most major wars around the world (including the one raging in Ukraine at the moment).
@@MnemonicCarrier So Putin is not guilty? Was he fooled again and because of his innate stupidity he attacked Ukraine? I absolutely agree, such an idiot can only be born. The insidious US and the Jews are manipulating the poor madman and not letting him finish the senseless bloodbath.
I think Linus need to hire someone to write his mails, he and Stallman although great guys, give a really really really bad impression of the FOSS community....
@@tariksaid4536 Actually, it is a fact. They have to follow the laws, nothing more, nothing less. Whether Israel should or shouldn't be under sanctions is not in the hands of the Linux Foundation.
@@Cyco_Nix I know, but it is really sad because the mentality behind open source software is the collaboration of individual all around the world far from politics. I think that's a step in the wrong direction.
"Die as a hero or live enought to become a villan" I really hope this is a big misundertandment and everything will be fine... In the other case, well, maybe a fork? It's really hard to fork a project this big and for a "small reason" at least small for now, I'm really concerned with the direction we are heading to with FOSS in general. Politics shouldn't affect people that doesn't do anything with it, it's a development space not a stance for the U.N.
I can understand why they decided to restrict access to the kernel for Russian developers working for Russian companies. But there's no need to be a Russophobe
@@siz1700, why only Russian devs should be discriminated in such manner? Why American/German Dev working for their government are OK for Linux kernel, but Russians are bad? Russian linux servers run on the same modified Linux cernels as any other linux servers. Many of those servers are critical to Russian country in one way or another. What's the difference from Linux foundation and other Foss communities point of view? Outside of propaganda / "us vs them" / "good vs evil" etc.
@@Hirokuro_Asura Of course not. They're white and fluffy, they'd never do such a thing. Also, by the way, they have power over Linux Foundation, so they decide who is “good” and who is “bad” here
Software code is protected speech under the first amendment. The precedent set in Bernstein was further developed in Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley (2001), when a US District Court ruled that communication does not lose speech protections simply because it is written in computer code. The ability of a broad audience to understand the speech is unrelated to constitutional inquiry. Linux is not forced to comply with these sanctions under U.S. law, however other countries laws may play a role.
It's matter of time, people are tired of this bullshit of everything is influenced by what the USA say is good or bad, this bullshit about Russia but every week in the news we see Israel bombing schools, hospitals and refugees camp and nothing happens.
that message from Linus was absolutely based. seems like common westerners are doing their best to forget about russia`s current(and all previous) war to not stress themselves.
@@MuscovitesNightmare I mean, he's not wrong, even if he is a "russian troll" (like you're implying); facts are facts. FOSS is supposed to be open and apolitical. Right wingers working with left wingers, Russian's and Chinese working with Americans and Europeans. Banning people because of their views or what country they live in, just isn't what FOSS was supposed to be about. I really respect Linus, but his hubris lately is becoming too big to ignore.
Imagen that - coders aren't the best at communication lol.... it happens. I understand the need to follow regulations but maybe a bit more transparentcy up front. Obviously they got there eventually but it left alot of people in the dark.
@@michael_tunnell look at the sanctions list. there are also ciritical infrastructures sanctioned by the west like energy, healthcare and food sectors. I mean what kind of a joke is the sanctions on Rosatom? They do literally nothing military and are mostly a science and energy-supply company. What do they and their workers have to do with anything in this conflict?
@@michael_tunnell Thanks for clarifying I just don't want to see good people knocked out of the loop when they are working for us all. And with a true open source community we know what is in our code anyway!
There is one thing you guys need to understand about living in Russia. When the state tells you to do something - you do it, if you value your familys health.
And it came to pass that the state, in its wisdom, bestowed upon the people the gift of freedom; yet, lo, the state did also taketh away that same freedom, for it is written that the hand which giveth may also taketh.
No, Russia invading Ukraine is why we can't have nice things. Not saying the typical Russian dev is untrustworthy, but Russia's increased desperation (N. Korean cannon fodder, anyone?) equals increased motivation to try to slip bad actors into the dev stream and sneak something unhealthy into the kernel. Yes open source means everything can and probably will be reviewed, but nations have unthinkably large reserves of currency dedicated to covert ops and thus have the budget to bribe (and/or dirty tricks to compromise/blackmail) reviewers as well. Not firewalling them just leads to _all_ kernel commits being untrusted and devs the world round having to spend extra hours auditing EVERYTHING touched by a Russian because with lives and the fate of nations literally at stake, the rest of the world simply _cannot take the chance_ that no such bad actors exist, and that detection of attempted poison patches will be perfect.
@@xheralt "Russia's increased desperation". Thanks for illustrating my point: The West has Russia Derangement Syndrome. BTW, as Putin recently reminded the world, Russia and North Korea signed a mutual defense pact last year. Of course, while Ukraine's invasion of Kursk would technically be a trigger for help from North Korean troops, Russia has the situation well in hand and has no need of assistance. Edited to add: The same can't be said for the poor Ukrainians surrounded in Kursk. And let's be real: Zelenski is obviously using the manufactured threat of NK troops to get his latest demand: Tomahawks.
As long as there are no sanction to be considered, why should an open and free software project do that? It would contradict everything the FOSS world stands and advocates for.
If the law is to be obeyed, then international law should be obeyed too. And Israel's conduct is well documented under international law.But... this is not about the "law". Not when the law is 100% cherry picked, in favour of US's oligarque interests, and a Zionist entity.
@@MarcoSerralheiro The problem with international law is, that there is no one able or willing to enforces it. We see this not only in the middle east, but also with China and Russia. They break international law on a daily basis but no one stands up against them. With domestic laws there is the police and other law enforcement that will enforce it, so it is "easy" to be convinced to obeyed it.
It's always funny for me how russians seem to have some mental block when they try to understand why exactly most of their neighbors are not their fans. So they always start to cry how everyone around is a "nazi" and complain about human rights and equality. Completely pathetic. Yeah bitch try to think about human rights before you hit the children hospital with fucking cruise missiles next time.
Taiwan is not a country, and as recognized as a chinese region from both onu and usa. Opensource is not about politics agenda and they're destroying the spirits of freesoftware and ideas with this
Hahaha. It's just the beginning. The whole Linux thing has long been a massive time-wasting mess. Do we have three thousand distros yet? The Looney Tunes of the OS world is nearing its end.😵💫
@@OrionFilms Open source anything is for hobbyists; thirteen years of the Hadoop bruhaha prove it. Check out the LiMux debacle. Happens all over the place. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" and don't rely on brainy boys' toys if you are an adult with adult's responsibilities.
so racist zz slurs in the main comment, what does it say about author AND WHY THEY ALWAYS HIDING their identity? Do you scared of Russia such? Which don't have any army, like every military analyst see today.
@@fontenbleau I live in ruzzia and ofc I’m afraid for my life here. Everyone who does not agree with the ongoing genocide of Ukrainians is in danger here
Very disappointing to see that Linus has russophobia too. An open source project should check who works for it but not discriminate based on their birthplace. His own luck of historical knowledge is also disappointing, the war in Ukraine startet in 2014 and not by russia.
Russophobia? Have you ever wondered why and when the so-called russophobia began and how much pain and suffering russia has brought to Ukraine, while blatantly lying and threatening Poland, Britain, and the Baltic states through official channels? So it's just justice. And this is just the beginning.
"war starts in 2014" - right. "Not by russia" - anower from tipical "innocent" r..s bot. The first heads and governments of the so-called newly formed republics were Russians. This is a fact. Is your medal "For the capture of Crimea" something you don't talk about? As well as Russian heavy weapons, the downed passenger Boeing and many crimes - it's all on the conscience of r..s, the war is sponsored by your taxes.
Bro, ALL of these people's lack of historical knowledge is disappointing. It is absolutely scary how easy it is to completely brainwash the average westerner. They will blindly believe anything and everything that their evil lying corporate media feeds them. They are completely ignorant of the fact that the US backed the coup in 2014, and that the US trained and armed the Ukies then let those trained soldiers openly shell and eliminate ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. Then they act surprised that Russia went to war to defend their own people and permanently eliminate a western-backed threat that was right next door to them. It's funny how these brainwashed idiots try to memory hole all of the stuff that led up to the situation, and then they want to act like the Ukies were poor innocent people who were just minding their own business before their big bad neighbor got bored and just randomly decided to invade. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised after so many of these automatons blindly trusted the establishment and willfully injected a deadly poison into their body over a really bad cold. Darwin is going to be quite busy in the next few years...
Bro, ALL of these people's lack of historical knowledge is disappointing. It is absolutely scary how easy it is to completely brainwash the average westerner. They will blindly believe anything and everything that their evil lying corporate media feeds them. They are completely ignorant of the fact that the US backed the coup in 2014, and that the US trained and armed the Ukies then let those trained soldiers openly shell and eliminate ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. Then they act surprised that Russia went to war to defend their own people and permanently eliminate a western-backed threat that was right next door to them. It's funny how these brainwashed idiots try to memory hole all of the stuff that led up to the situation, and then they want to act like the Ukies were poor innocent people who were just minding their own business before their big bad neighbor got bored and just randomly decided to invade. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised after so many of these automatons blindly trusted the establishment and willfully injected a deadly poison into their body over a really bad cold. Darwin is going to be quite busy in the next few years...
Unfortunately the vast majority of people (especially Americans, of which I am one) are dumb as rocks when it comes to geopolitics (or history, for that matter). You're average American has no idea about what triggered this war, or the lengths Putin went to to try and stop it. Deep down inside our hearts, I think we all know who the most aggressive nation in history is.
Finnish history give some weight to that argument if you consider yourself as Finish. The Finnish - Russian/Soviet history is long and convoluted and you can pick and choose for you liking to get whatever you need to justify your point of view. You can dig into the Swedish - Finnish history too, that is full of bad stuff too, remember what side Linus is on. Add the Swedish - Russian history and you are in for a bad can of worms of whatever you need to justify whatever you want for whatever reason. The takeaway is that both Finland and Russia have shown that you can't make a deal with them and that they will stick to that deal.
@@MnemonicCarrier The Finns were sort of on the German side, but the truth is that they did not share the same political observations. Finland needed in their war against the Soviets some more military capacity, military knowledge, etc., and some extra man power is always welcome in war, so they, after a long internal debate, decided to ask Germany for cooperation. Germany in return could use somebody to distract Russia on the north side of Leningrad, so it was a win-win for both even if they did not share a common goal, both party's have their own goal that have nothing to do with the other part needs/goal, like in: The enemy of my enemies is my useful friend (as long as I need him).
My opinion? Legal requirement, end of story, done... SUPER simple, even though Linus was a bit of a dick about it, it's kinda normal for that guy anyway. :D
that's not norm, that's fuel for bigger war because the main putin's arguments even before all this was "they hate us" and kinda some helping him from western side to make this true
As someone from a country that is on the list after Ukraine, if they loses, it's surreal to observe russian sympathizers and be completely ignored or called names when you point out simple reality that all russians are part of this war all of them take part in it and are aware of it. Yet somehow we those that will be or are dying because of russians are the the baddies? If this works against Ukraine it will work agsinst Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the lost goes on and on...
all of them? Have you missed math in school? Or IQ of such commenters are always like that? There's 140 mlns people in Russia, but you must be glad there's no lines in recruitment centers, moreover they must offer 3 mlns or $30K to attract mercenaries onto this and there's also not many lines even for that money. So your statement which blamed all is what? A deliberate hate? Or provoking something worse?
US has treaty obligations under the Genocide (see UN an GA votes) convention that it is upholding and indeed breaking... So US Izzy EU UK and so many other issues
@@michael_tunnell ah, OK, so you don't care. Gotcha. Keep butchering names, even for the low-effort cases: it's an American tradition. Ted's name is prnoounced Shó, but that's a tough one... but Linus'? Really?
@@michael_tunnell Well, there was no need for your non-sequitur caveat. But I see you understand that name butchering has relevance, and that some people are not very fond of it.
@@ordinarygg What some random Russians did to Linux Kernel? We are not talking about war and military people here - just some random programmers. So we ban them "for being Russian"? Isn't that a racism?
It’s a joke on the fact that GNU and GNOME both pronounce the G explicitly so I added a G to News for the silliness. It’s also a joke that the GNU people get mad that people call it just Linux. They want it to be GNU/Linux for no reason really so it’s also a joke on that putting it after Linux
When people discuss the topic about removing developers from R*ssia, they start doing the "whataboutism" thing, like "what about Israel or China". However, the topic is not related to those countries, which important thing to keep in mind. Sanctions or not, but I would do the same. "Justice warriors" who complain about such a decision do not know what w-a-r is.
> "Justice warriors" who complain about such a decision do not know what w-a-r is. I would argue its often the opposite. My father was held in Israeli prison for several years, like his father before him, and much of it solitary confinement. As a Palestinian, I've watched us get genocided since the time I was born. I know very well what war is, be it between my own genocide, or the fact that I, too, have people on both sides of this one, having studied in Russia myself, having friends in both places--actually, unfortunately, even conscripts in both places--and my own cousin was in Ukraine doing his degree as bombs were going off. Many of us know what war is. And it's precisely because of that fact that statements like Linus', which take the issue from a purely cold and mechanical one, to that of an ethical one, hurt. It makes me feel bad knowing that I am literally worth less than that of a European. I am a subhuman, in essence. It's not whataboutism, but rather a genuine critique; there is evidently something wrong with one's moral compass if it is okay to grep the .ru tld and nuke all the results in the list, yet ignore all those who work for or are associated with U.S. defense contractors, the Israeli defense industry, etc. I think it is totally fair to say, not "what about", but rather "why only?" (And also RE: "well, Israel isn't sanctioned!" -- sure, but by all the same logic they should be, but that is not the point; had it simply been a cold legal response, I'd be annoyed, but I'd have accepted it. What bothers me is Linus and his statement that shows it's clearly also a political and ethical issue, and yet no one but Russia is being held to those same standards)
I understand the legal reasons why this has happened… but Linus handled it terribly and let his own personal bias become part of his statement on the situation.
Talk about thinking you know and like someone, to be instantly disappointed.
I completely agree.
He's like those people who hate north korean people, because the north korean government is strict.
100% agree, while I certainly understand his feeling towards the Russian state for it's history and current behaviour, individuals that live in that state don't always share the views of their home country and shouldn't be receiving hate for the state's actions.
I love Linux and Linus's kernel, but good god Linus talks out of his arse too much.
No one would complain (except real paid trolls) if the removal was handled in a decent way. I.e.: 1. Thank maintainers for their work. 2. Say that because of legal requirements they can't continue working with them for the foreseeable future. What was actually done: 1. Removal with no explanations. 2. Labeling those who objected the _way_ it was done as "paid trolls". 3. A petty nationalist rant from Linus "Turn on your joke of a brain, I'm Finnish, I won't support Russian aggression" (which is totally orthogonal to what the complaints were about). Long story short: it is not the removal that caused the "drama", it is how Linus and Greg handled it and the total disrespect to his co-workers that Linus decided to double on.
Totally agreed!
Well said!
Honestly that was so shit from Linus..
L take. FOSS is supposed to be open and apolitical...
@@robotron1236 Well, watch videos from The Lunduke Journal and you'll find just how much FOSS is infested by boneheaded political rhetoric.
26:52 Rolling Release Applications
It's not that uncommon that programs and applications have a rolling release model alongside a stable version. Some emulators or some programming tools are a good example of that, updated daily before a monthly release version. Thanks to Flatpak or the AUR or some plugin managers this is easier done than ever.
This seems to be instead of rather than alongside
If you want more maintainers, then don’t remove them
no reason to patch ruzzian targeting systems and military cpus.
I'm no fan of russia, but open source is supposed to be open and apolitical...
Re: Clementine - it is most definitely a fork of Amarok: the about dialog offers thanks to "all the contributors of Amarok" and if you look at the source code, it still uses the Amarok namespace in places. Clementine forked Amarok 1.4 because they were unhappy with the direction of Amarok 2. The Amarok developers, OTOH, also returned from a long hiatus in April and released Amarok 3 based on Qt5 (which is a shame it wasn't covered by This Week in Linux) with a Qt6 port scheduled for next year.
Been rocking Clementine for I guess a decade? Just realized this year it hadn't been update in 8 years. It just works, at least on Linux.
@@acubley in the past I really loved Amarok, but I'm not doing local music for many years now, and recently was looking at a local client to handle OpenSubsonic servers and went through both Clementine and Strawberry, and was very disappointed.
I really loved Amarok, in the past, but I gave up on local music a long time ago. I recently tried to see about using Clementine or Strawberry as a local client to an OpenSubsonic API - and was very disappointed.
I switched to Clementine from Amarok for being unhappy with the Amarok 2 changes. I used Amarok 1. So yeah, I was nearby when it happened.
Amarok's Qt6 port had been completed last week and will likely be released shortly.
if "linked to russia" means government agent that's one thing, but if it just means "born/living in russia" it seems discriminatory.
Edit: unjustifiably discriminatory for the pedants.
Sanctions are discriminatory ... that's their purpose!
How else can sanctions work
Historical thing you need to face with. No one likes russians, even russians themselfs
I've been thinking ordinary rn Russians can be two things rn : anti-war and thus be at risk of many things as per Russian law. Russian propaganda brainwashed (or worse - harmed, access stolen, etc) and then the code is at risk from them. I think this protects everyone.
That's because of the first point that I still used ct.js for a project.
Ukraine is governed by a foreigner, an ashkenaz "comedian" who used uzis to wipe out the Ukrainian parliament in a "skit", but their fellow slavic brethren/neighbors are the 'invaders'.
Lifetime warranties: the lifetime in question is obviously that of the product - which is usually defined somewhere in the small type, and for this kind of product I'd be surprised if it significantly more than 3 years. Some products define their lifetime as the life of the user - for example: Leatherman multi tool (though I heard of at least one case where Leatherman honored the lifetime warranty for a tool that survived it's owner 😅).
It's great that the Raspberry Pi now has officially supported SSDs, but at this point, I might as well wait for the Pi 6.
22:13 "the term 'hacker' has already been adopted to something else"
If you want to consider prior art, the term 'hacker' was used as the FLOSS community uses it long before it got co-opted to mean "computer badguy".
Tell the media "the term 'hacker' has already been adopted to something else" and they shouldn't use it the way they do.
this is not good for open source
Not to deffend Russia, but these sanctions are quite ironic coming from the most belligerant country on the planet by an order or magnitude.
Also, these sanctions are entirely one-sided: Russia(ns) will still have full access to GPL-licensed American software, such as Linux. They can also legally fork said software. They are only prohibited from contributing to them (or at least, the mainline sanction-affected branches).
Talk about completely shooting yourself in the foot. It's like saying "I forbid you from eating soup cooked by Russians... but Russia is still allowed to eat any and all soup, including soup cooked by you and me."
@@StephanusTavilrond “don’t underestimate Joe (Biden)’s ability to f*** things up”‘ Barak Obama
since when has us bombed civilian targets daily for over 2 years straight? Estimated half a million people dead, when did us do that?
@@novoiperkele first, it's not half a million death, but half a million dead and injured. But then in the Iraq war someone estimate over a million dead and injured... and go look for "shock and awe", and see what it means on the battle field.
In Gaza the Irsaelian forces are bombing civilians - including schools and hospitals - with US bombs and active military support. And let's not forget that is the US that dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, with no respect whatsoever for the civilians deaths and consequences from radiation.
Please, don't think that you're the goods of the planet, and open your eyes.
@@novoiperkele Really? Hm.
I'd love to have something affordable from System76, maybe even some type of mini ITX or SBC.
India makes up over 12% of the Linux Desktop, nice to see Companies there making a contribution.
Nice channel homie. Earned a sub today.
I hate when comment gets deleted. saved a screenshot of the recent one, reload and boom, it's gone
UA-cam's raging over nothing
Sometimes you need to ctrl shift r, hard reset your browser to see them.
@@bearwolffishnah they're actually deleted. They don't even appear in the comment history.
The same thing has been happening with me quite often.
It happens to me all the time, and i subscribed to premium... sucks ass
Word filtering. Gotta be careful with which words you choose when it deals with "sensitive" topics. UA-cam will delete key phrases, but also some youtube channels will also delete or filter certain words from it's comment section.
System 76 announced 6 years ago that they were looking to release ARM powered Desktops and Laptops.
Banning contributors for political reasons goes head on against open source. If that is allowed, it would be time for looking for another OS.
Good luck with that the only choices you have left is Windows or MacOS lol (BSD is too niche to count)
I'm scouring China's "OpenAtom" projects at the moment. They do some pretty interesting micro-kernel stuff... But yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. At this very point in time, I'd rather use a MacBook (may actually buy one tomorrow). I'm also stopping all my donations to open source projects.
Harmony os next could be big
Clementine was dormant for so long that people started forking it, thinking it was abandoned. I started using strawberry player, for example, due to all of the deprecated features and unresolved security issues/memory leaks in Clementine.
Yea, personally I forgot about Clementine
What about Israely and Chinese maintainers
Linux controlled by USA
USA is the most brutal country that's ever existed. F THAT SHIT
As explained in the video, Israel and China are not sanctioned by US (and other governments). obeying the law is not a moral stance.
Linux is an open and free project.
btw: Linus is Finish, so, if anything (and it is obviously not), Linux would be controlled by Finland or the EU.
@@snygg1993I don’t think you understand Linux is too big. The USA has no problem in saying to linux do as we say or something might happen like you breaks will get cut or your wife might “randomly disappear”. You live anywhere in non nuclear state you subject to them.
@@snygg1993problem is Finland and the EU as a whole are subordinate to whatever directive comes from the US.
Exactly why Israel isn't sanctioned too.
Encryption and crypto devs have to deal with this type of overreach constantly. It wasn't handled well here.
After the Right to Whisper is abolished, I can imagine a world where people who know the Chinese Remainder Theorem wear a mark on their face. These national assets, who posses the gnosis of secrecy, cannot be allowed to roam freely.
Cryt data is not the same encryption
Can we expect Russian and Chinese versions of Linux the coming years? And what if these versions are incompatible? Or is this impossible?
There are already versions of Russian and Chinese distros... this isn't the issue, The issue is that now they are more than likely to create their own OS core which will be used in all the BRICS+ nations, it could be a fork of Linux but that means western Linux will degrade because the west won't use the global south's patches while the global south can use western patches. The west continues to sanction it self out of sheer stupidity and hubris as always.
Russia already has Astra Linux
So much for "open source" and don't let me start on a history lesson
You can try, but it could very well get deleted.
Well, it sure ain't the NSDAP doing any of this. In fact, it's their enemies.
Embrace Libre/Free-Software
I'm looking at other areas to direct my money, time, labor and skill-set on. Currently looking at China's "OpenAtom" foundation, and what's going on there (especially in regards to the micro-kernel stuff). I'm so done with the Linux Foundation, and this faux "openness". This entire affair has just demonstrated to the world how fragile "open source" really is, and how controlled it really is. I'm confident there'll be a viable alternative within a few years.
Time to fork the Linux kernel and maintain it without the political influence of the US! Tragedy for Open Source software.
There won´t be a need if some people would try to sort problems inside their countries instead of invading others.
@@m.r.659 Congratulations, you just discovered generalization.
The entire industry is driven by enthusiasts from around the world who contribute to development so that everyone benefits. However, with this kind of influence from governments, there isn’t much difference from proprietary software at all.
@@m.r.659 Yes the USA should stop invading countries and overthrowing governments.
TO @@olegfranko8675
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The Linus Torvalds statement has nothing to do with the US government, and Linus makes the basis for his own action clear enough for the international Linux community.
The voices raised in protest are predominantly Russian. Russia, in fact, has a troll farm in Leningrad (aka St. Petersburg) devoted to generating such irresponsible conduct.
A sad day for Linux. What's about other countries, who is next ? Edit: It appears obvious to me that this is the first step to assert US control over the Kernel. Further down the line, the hardware will enforce a version of Linux with 'access US-for law enforcement', etc..
Probably create back doors. if you know what I mean.
Many sad days for the people of Ukraine, two years worth of days of being attacked.
lol
@@STONE69_ What's about Israel ? All the US's wars ? Or, in case you have different view: ban Iran, China, Palestinians or whoever ? I do not think that giving up one of the last places where people can collaborate peacefully is just or smart.
I'm both Israeli and Russian.. I wonder what the finnish software dictator thinks about that.
linux kernel, open source, linux fondation are not neutral anymore :)
Obeying the laws of the country the organization is incorporated in, does not mean bias. The fact that I'm paying income tax to the country I'm a citizen of, does not mean that I think income tax is legitimate or moral.
For following the law?
Just for the simple reason to not have to develop the kernel from behind bars?
You are wired.
@@guss77the Nxzi guard in the watchtower was obeying his country's laws too. The FOSS movement is primarily political, so it totally is a big deal to cave to unjust and immoral sanctions.
@@guss77Then why do people always say "Oh, if you're from Russia, you support the war, because you're paying taxes"?
@@EJavierPaniaguaLaconich thus doesn't seem very convincing
everything you said rests on the assertion that the sanctions against russia are unjust
this is such a non argument that your opposition could achieve the same by replacing the nazi guard in your analogy with a russian soldier & the argument would be as valid
the selling point of linux has fully become “at least it’s not windows or mac” and not “it’s linux”.
Honestly, this drama in the Linux kernel shows that the US is not a good country to have your foundation as a basis. To be honest, I think it's time for the global south to start creating their own alternatives when shit like this happens.
Alma Linux mascot…Bill the Cat of course 😂
If there's any justice in the world, a big enough proportion of non Russian maintainers will stop working in solidarity.
^ edited to remove some truths that youtube has deemed not fit for dissemination - only state sanctioned comments allowed. ^
@@TonyCsoka You troll are aware, that YT shows everyone, whenever a comment has been edited? ... and yours is not.
@@snygg1993 Edited in the sense that I had to try 5 times (each comment being deleted) to reword in a manner that you-tube would allow. Use what little of that stuff in your skull and think for a minute. My reply comment was to obviously highlight a disturbing trend with youtube censorship.
@@TonyCsoka Yes, UA-cam does indeed censor misinformation and hate ... and also everything that contains any word that could possible be used in one of these contexts.
and what about Ukrainian women, children and elderly which are now lying in their g.v..s, m..r..d by russians, how should they achieve their justice?
@ 16:02 Alma are totally missing an opportunity if they do not release an Atomic edition if this.
compliance? watch the world not using linux no more because they have russian maintainers, not gonna happen! actually i hope it would....
Terrible move by the kernel maintainers. This is not a matter of lack of communication, but lack of integrity. Compliance with the government is not an excuse.
If you have watched the video, what you have obviously not, you would know that Linus is Finish ... you know, that country, that Russia threatens to invade and nuke on an almost daily basis.
Why should Linus work with people that threaten to slaughter him, his family, all his friends, and so on?
Non-compliance would mean legal ramifications. Would you rather the goverment shutdown the linux foundation? (worse case scenario?)
Also note the nuance, it isn't simply "russian maintainers can contribute" but "linux maintainer's can't be employed sanctioned russian companies"
@@fuseteam I would rather someone, anyone, at least question this "law" (both from a moral and legal standpoint) instead of gleefully supporting it. There were legal ramifications for Germans in the 1930s/1940s for not obeying the law too.
Linus isn't a FOSS community dev anymore, he's a corporate shill for some of the most powerful people on the planet.
@@fuseteam as if the Linux Foundation care about Linux, lol
The interesting part of the story is that Huawei company maintainers are still there. (one of most sanctioned company?)
russia is the country with the most sanctions in the world!
Addressed in the video.
💯💯💯
@@bkw777 where exactly? Are Linux code used in issuing QR codes in Uyghurs zones? Or what Ai IDF uses rn in Middle east? Hypocrisy, oh humanity, as always.
Huawei and the nature of different sanctions is addressed in the video. wtf are you even talking about? Is this a bot spewing randomly generated words?
The amount of censorship on youtube is ridiculous.
UA-cam is legally required to remove false information and hate comments like calls for violence and such stuff.
@@snygg1993 if you haven't got anything useful to say, don't say anything at all.
@@TonyCsoka You said that it is ridiculous, I told you, that there are legal obligations. Why is the information why comments got deleted "nothing useful"?
For example: If you know that lies or propaganda is likely to be removed, then you can avoid censorship by simply sticking to the facts. It is as easy as this.
@@snygg1993 You have no idea what the comment was, so how on earth can you make an assertion as to the legality of said comment (not even going into the vagaries, and complexities of cross border legality on a global social media platform). Again, if you have nothing useful to add, don't bother.
@@snygg1993question is, who approves the facts? What happens if the facts change after a period of time?
is Microsoft fired Russian employees?
So today it's Russians, who will it be tomorrow?
Wait and see. Lol. I'm sure some more political bull shit will pop up in this eventually.
Who will start the next largest war?
@@lukevost Deep down inside, I think we know who's responsible for most major wars around the world (including the one raging in Ukraine at the moment).
@@MnemonicCarrier So Putin is not guilty? Was he fooled again and because of his innate stupidity he attacked Ukraine? I absolutely agree, such an idiot can only be born. The insidious US and the Jews are manipulating the poor madman and not letting him finish the senseless bloodbath.
@@lukevost USA? They starts war every decade last century.
I think Linus need to hire someone to write his mails, he and Stallman although great guys, give a really really really bad impression of the FOSS community....
Stallman is not event part of Open source. He is the father of Free Software and GNU.
linus is just a roach 🪳.
How about Israel?
I wouldn't want any working on my pager hardware or software...
They aren't under sanctions.
Well that's is the definition of hypocrisy @@Cyco_Nix
@@tariksaid4536 Actually, it is a fact. They have to follow the laws, nothing more, nothing less. Whether Israel should or shouldn't be under sanctions is not in the hands of the Linux Foundation.
@@Cyco_Nix I know, but it is really sad because the mentality behind open source software is the collaboration of individual all around the world far from politics. I think that's a step in the wrong direction.
I wished Linus would stay out of politics....
"Die as a hero or live enought to become a villan" I really hope this is a big misundertandment and everything will be fine... In the other case, well, maybe a fork? It's really hard to fork a project this big and for a "small reason" at least small for now, I'm really concerned with the direction we are heading to with FOSS in general.
Politics shouldn't affect people that doesn't do anything with it, it's a development space not a stance for the U.N.
I can understand why they decided to restrict access to the kernel for Russian developers working for Russian companies. But there's no need to be a Russophobe
@@siz1700, why only Russian devs should be discriminated in such manner? Why American/German Dev working for their government are OK for Linux kernel, but Russians are bad? Russian linux servers run on the same modified Linux cernels as any other linux servers. Many of those servers are critical to Russian country in one way or another.
What's the difference from Linux foundation and other Foss communities point of view? Outside of propaganda / "us vs them" / "good vs evil" etc.
@@kaaregar Because they or their accounts could be used by the Russian government to create backdoors in the kernel. Still, that's a bit of a stretch
@@Hirokuro_Asura Of course not. They're white and fluffy, they'd never do such a thing. Also, by the way, they have power over Linux Foundation, so they decide who is “good” and who is “bad” here
fall of open source has begun
And that's great. Free Software will prevail and finally people will be aware of it.
Only falling for Russians, everyone else is just fine for now.
Software code is protected speech under the first amendment. The precedent set in Bernstein was further developed in Universal City Studios, Inc. v. Corley (2001), when a US District Court ruled that communication does not lose speech protections simply because it is written in computer code. The ability of a broad audience to understand the speech is unrelated to constitutional inquiry. Linux is not forced to comply with these sanctions under U.S. law, however other countries laws may play a role.
Is time for a Brics OS analogue of Linux?
It's obviously going to happen, just like the USD. When you politicize money or open source, you've undermined trust.
It's matter of time, people are tired of this bullshit of everything is influenced by what the USA say is good or bad, this bullshit about Russia but every week in the news we see Israel bombing schools, hospitals and refugees camp and nothing happens.
Bricks OS is not supposed to be its analog. Just a fork.
Russia has their own Linux OS called Astralinux I think
@@FineWine-v4.0 we need a more global distribution that is in common for alla Brics State.
11:30 bad news. It will most ikely reduce compatibility with none official as well as being sold for a premium
why not sanction izrahell
I don t think there is any place in open source for racism.
Their loss.....stupid.....
that message from Linus was absolutely based. seems like common westerners are doing their best to forget about russia`s current(and all previous) war to not stress themselves.
I know a nation that has been involved in 10 times as many wars as Russia since the end of WW2... (I won't even compare the civilian body count...)
@@MnemonicCarrier try harder, Ivan
@@MuscovitesNightmare I mean, he's not wrong, even if he is a "russian troll" (like you're implying); facts are facts. FOSS is supposed to be open and apolitical. Right wingers working with left wingers, Russian's and Chinese working with Americans and Europeans. Banning people because of their views or what country they live in, just isn't what FOSS was supposed to be about. I really respect Linus, but his hubris lately is becoming too big to ignore.
Now you know linux kernel was anything but Free.
So much for "open source"
Are the russians removed from playing counter strike? I wonder!
Imagen that - coders aren't the best at communication lol.... it happens. I understand the need to follow regulations but maybe a bit more transparentcy up front. Obviously they got there eventually but it left alot of people in the dark.
YAY! like a little girl. I finally bought my DAS GEEK Tshirt.
That is total BS to knock Russia off the list,..... Like what we are Angles ?
What is total BS knock of Russia of the list if you think is right when Russia invaded Ukraine and kill innocent people You Moran 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
thats not what happened. People who are Russian but not working for sanction companies are not affected so its not accurate to say knocking off Russia
@@michael_tunnell look at the sanctions list. there are also ciritical infrastructures sanctioned by the west like energy, healthcare and food sectors. I mean what kind of a joke is the sanctions on Rosatom? They do literally nothing military and are mostly a science and energy-supply company. What do they and their workers have to do with anything in this conflict?
@@michael_tunnell you are kidding, right? Most of the US "sanctions" are illegal by international law. Time for a truly independent kernel team
@@michael_tunnell Thanks for clarifying I just don't want to see good people knocked out of the loop when they are working for us all. And with a true open source community we know what is in our code anyway!
😺🐈 for u
total disrespect to the developers , where is linux headed to? and open source in general?
Linus Finland
There is one thing you guys need to understand about living in Russia. When the state tells you to do something - you do it, if you value your familys health.
You mean America
But hey keep lying
And you just happens to know this because you live in Russia?
Sources: trust me bro.
I got out, and, luckily, so did most of my family. But yes, lived it for decades.
I can't tell you about modern day Anerica, but I can tell you about modern Russia.
And it came to pass that the state, in its wisdom, bestowed upon the people the gift of freedom; yet, lo, the state did also taketh away that same freedom, for it is written that the hand which giveth may also taketh.
The West is why the world can't have nice things. (Thank the gods, that's changing.)
No, Russia invading Ukraine is why we can't have nice things. Not saying the typical Russian dev is untrustworthy, but Russia's increased desperation (N. Korean cannon fodder, anyone?) equals increased motivation to try to slip bad actors into the dev stream and sneak something unhealthy into the kernel. Yes open source means everything can and probably will be reviewed, but nations have unthinkably large reserves of currency dedicated to covert ops and thus have the budget to bribe (and/or dirty tricks to compromise/blackmail) reviewers as well. Not firewalling them just leads to _all_ kernel commits being untrusted and devs the world round having to spend extra hours auditing EVERYTHING touched by a Russian because with lives and the fate of nations literally at stake, the rest of the world simply _cannot take the chance_ that no such bad actors exist, and that detection of attempted poison patches will be perfect.
@@xheralt "Russia's increased desperation". Thanks for illustrating my point: The West has Russia Derangement Syndrome.
BTW, as Putin recently reminded the world, Russia and North Korea signed a mutual defense pact last year. Of course, while Ukraine's invasion of Kursk would technically be a trigger for help from North Korean troops, Russia has the situation well in hand and has no need of assistance. Edited to add: The same can't be said for the poor Ukrainians surrounded in Kursk. And let's be real: Zelenski is obviously using the manufactured threat of NK troops to get his latest demand: Tomahawks.
I'd be curious to know if they removed the Israeli ones as well as the Russian ones. Just curious
As long as there are no sanction to be considered, why should an open and free software project do that? It would contradict everything the FOSS world stands and advocates for.
200iq comment
"Hamas was using kernel maintainers as human shields; it's not our fault for blowing up the Linux Foundation"
If the law is to be obeyed, then international law should be obeyed too. And Israel's conduct is well documented under international law.But... this is not about the "law". Not when the law is 100% cherry picked, in favour of US's oligarque interests, and a Zionist entity.
@@MarcoSerralheiro The problem with international law is, that there is no one able or willing to enforces it.
We see this not only in the middle east, but also with China and Russia. They break international law on a daily basis but no one stands up against them.
With domestic laws there is the police and other law enforcement that will enforce it, so it is "easy" to be convinced to obeyed it.
It's like everyone forgets Linus is from Finland. People there aren't generally fans of Russia, it's a history thing.
Yes, they are Russophobes i.e. racists
It's always funny for me how russians seem to have some mental block when they try to understand why exactly most of their neighbors are not their fans. So they always start to cry how everyone around is a "nazi" and complain about human rights and equality. Completely pathetic. Yeah bitch try to think about human rights before you hit the children hospital with fucking cruise missiles next time.
@@wondercorpse I don't think the linux kernel maintainers hit the childrens hospital
@@mxwlldev I was obviously talking about ruzzians, don't pretend you are stupid
we arent talking about the nation state of russia, we are talking about russian open source contributors
china or russia ?
Linus is a hypocrite
This is not drama. Ask the maintainers who got removed. YOU WERE NOT AFFECTED.
Linus suffers with inferiority syndrome.
Wouldn't you if the garbage you worked on for 30+ years only has a 4 % user base? 😂 Great idea to remove devs on what's already a small project...
Taiwan is not a country, and as recognized as a chinese region from both onu and usa. Opensource is not about politics agenda and they're destroying the spirits of freesoftware and ideas with this
I know what term decent hackers can take on, jankers :D
Thank you Linus.
Hahaha. It's just the beginning. The whole Linux thing has long been a massive time-wasting mess. Do we have three thousand distros yet? The Looney Tunes of the OS world is nearing its end.😵💫
So what other open source os are you suggesting if it all came down to crash?
@@OrionFilms Open source anything is for hobbyists; thirteen years of the Hadoop bruhaha prove it. Check out the LiMux debacle. Happens all over the place. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's" and don't rely on brainy boys' toys if you are an adult with adult's responsibilities.
Thanks do more regular linux & debian news. Sp. Ai, llm & agents
Imagine working for the ruzzian government and affiliated companies and be surprised when you’re banned from contributing to crucial software. Lmao 😂
Just because they live in Russia doesn't mean they work for the Russian government. -.-
what? every person living in that country works for the government?
so racist zz slurs in the main comment, what does it say about author AND WHY THEY ALWAYS HIDING their identity? Do you scared of Russia such? Which don't have any army, like every military analyst see today.
@@oniondesu9633 now go and look up where banned people were working. It’s the government and associated companies. Boohoo for them
@@fontenbleau I live in ruzzia and ofc I’m afraid for my life here. Everyone who does not agree with the ongoing genocide of Ukrainians is in danger here
Olympic non politicalism.
Now linux non politic
But wthf with them?
Very disappointing to see that Linus has russophobia too. An open source project should check who works for it but not discriminate based on their birthplace. His own luck of historical knowledge is also disappointing, the war in Ukraine startet in 2014 and not by russia.
BS. Stop trying to spread kremlin talking points.
Russophobia? Have you ever wondered why and when the so-called russophobia began and how much pain and suffering russia has brought to Ukraine, while blatantly lying and threatening Poland, Britain, and the Baltic states through official channels? So it's just justice. And this is just the beginning.
"war starts in 2014" - right. "Not by russia" - anower from tipical "innocent" r..s bot. The first heads and governments of the so-called newly formed republics were Russians. This is a fact. Is your medal "For the capture of Crimea" something you don't talk about? As well as Russian heavy weapons, the downed passenger Boeing and many crimes - it's all on the conscience of r..s, the war is sponsored by your taxes.
Bro, ALL of these people's lack of historical knowledge is disappointing. It is absolutely scary how easy it is to completely brainwash the average westerner. They will blindly believe anything and everything that their evil lying corporate media feeds them. They are completely ignorant of the fact that the US backed the coup in 2014, and that the US trained and armed the Ukies then let those trained soldiers openly shell and eliminate ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. Then they act surprised that Russia went to war to defend their own people and permanently eliminate a western-backed threat that was right next door to them. It's funny how these brainwashed idiots try to memory hole all of the stuff that led up to the situation, and then they want to act like the Ukies were poor innocent people who were just minding their own business before their big bad neighbor got bored and just randomly decided to invade. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised after so many of these automatons blindly trusted the establishment and willfully injected a deadly poison into their body over a really bad cold. Darwin is going to be quite busy in the next few years...
Bro, ALL of these people's lack of historical knowledge is disappointing. It is absolutely scary how easy it is to completely brainwash the average westerner. They will blindly believe anything and everything that their evil lying corporate media feeds them. They are completely ignorant of the fact that the US backed the coup in 2014, and that the US trained and armed the Ukies then let those trained soldiers openly shell and eliminate ethnic Russians in the Donbas region. Then they act surprised that Russia went to war to defend their own people and permanently eliminate a western-backed threat that was right next door to them. It's funny how these brainwashed idiots try to memory hole all of the stuff that led up to the situation, and then they want to act like the Ukies were poor innocent people who were just minding their own business before their big bad neighbor got bored and just randomly decided to invade. I guess that I shouldn't be surprised after so many of these automatons blindly trusted the establishment and willfully injected a deadly poison into their body over a really bad cold. Darwin is going to be quite busy in the next few years...
they should give the arm computers to the asahi team...
The mere fact that those guys use the word “hacker” correctly makes me willing to trust their integrity more by several others of magnitude…
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80% of the comment section: Linux kernel drama.
20% of the comment section: Everything else.
4:17 that's called paranoia
ooff linus is on the wrong side of history, that's unfortunate. calling out Russia as an agressor says a lot
Unfortunately the vast majority of people (especially Americans, of which I am one) are dumb as rocks when it comes to geopolitics (or history, for that matter). You're average American has no idea about what triggered this war, or the lengths Putin went to to try and stop it. Deep down inside our hearts, I think we all know who the most aggressive nation in history is.
Finnish history give some weight to that argument if you consider yourself as Finish. The Finnish - Russian/Soviet history is long and convoluted and you can pick and choose for you liking to get whatever you need to justify your point of view.
You can dig into the Swedish - Finnish history too, that is full of bad stuff too, remember what side Linus is on. Add the Swedish - Russian history and you are in for a bad can of worms of whatever you need to justify whatever you want for whatever reason. The takeaway is that both Finland and Russia have shown that you can't make a deal with them and that they will stick to that deal.
@@K2teknik. I'll pick out some of that hsitory: guess who the FInns sided with during WW2?
@@MnemonicCarrier The Finns were sort of on the German side, but the truth is that they did not share the same political observations. Finland needed in their war against the Soviets some more military capacity, military knowledge, etc., and some extra man power is always welcome in war, so they, after a long internal debate, decided to ask Germany for cooperation. Germany in return could use somebody to distract Russia on the north side of Leningrad, so it was a win-win for both even if they did not share a common goal, both party's have their own goal that have nothing to do with the other part needs/goal, like in: The enemy of my enemies is my useful friend (as long as I need him).
Hypocrisy on steroids. How many did the US kill and he's living there
My opinion? Legal requirement, end of story, done... SUPER simple, even though Linus was a bit of a dick about it, it's kinda normal for that guy anyway. :D
Clementine is a for of amarok, and strawberry is a fork of clementine: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarok_(software)
no matter. thats going to be the norm. due to putin, xi, trump an kim jong un owing that side of the internet.
that's not norm, that's fuel for bigger war because the main putin's arguments even before all this was "they hate us" and kinda some helping him from western side to make this true
As someone from a country that is on the list after Ukraine, if they loses, it's surreal to observe russian sympathizers and be completely ignored or called names when you point out simple reality that all russians are part of this war all of them take part in it and are aware of it. Yet somehow we those that will be or are dying because of russians are the the baddies? If this works against Ukraine it will work agsinst Georgia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the lost goes on and on...
I think I'm going to throw up if I see the mantra "bad big politics should not affect small innocent ruzkies" once more.
@@wondercorpse I hope your pockets full of paper bags my friend... You'll need them
No, we don't. And also, Russia can't really win in Ukraine. It's a lose-lose situation.
all of them? Have you missed math in school? Or IQ of such commenters are always like that? There's 140 mlns people in Russia, but you must be glad there's no lines in recruitment centers, moreover they must offer 3 mlns or $30K to attract mercenaries onto this and there's also not many lines even for that money. So your statement which blamed all is what? A deliberate hate? Or provoking something worse?
@@fontenbleau It is definitely deliberate hate
it actually depends who is on war, favoured by US , countries should be independent from others...
So in this case russia should back off Ukraine.
I thought that at least Linux was free from ideology, but instead it's like all the others, even worse
Fine with me. Don't want Russian backdoors implemented...
But you're fine with American backdoor huh, Typical American tub of Lards
You okay with US backdoors though, right? Just checking... "We're here to help", right?
Better a windows backdoor.
He he Linux gnews 😊
It's sad to see racism in open community projects, which is much worse than Godot story by x100, because racism much worse than religious conflicts.
I switched back to windows linux is too much involved into politics
That’s like moving to an igloo to get away from snow
US has treaty obligations under the Genocide (see UN an GA votes) convention that it is upholding and indeed breaking... So US Izzy EU UK and so many other issues
We have come full circle now: guy correctly pronounces Linux, doesn't know how to pronounce Torvald's name.
Linus said he doesn’t care how people pronounce his name only wants people to get Linux right
@@michael_tunnell ah, OK, so you don't care. Gotcha. Keep butchering names, even for the low-effort cases: it's an American tradition. Ted's name is prnoounced Shó, but that's a tough one... but Linus'? Really?
I didn’t say that but think what you want I guess
@@michael_tunnell Well, there was no need for your non-sequitur caveat. But I see you understand that name butchering has relevance, and that some people are not very fond of it.
You need some serious psychological help
ruskky cry ahahahahaah
Freedom people cry.
It's not about Russians - it's about banning people for nothing. They could do some harm - so as anyone else could.
@@igorthelight tolerate russki more, man they are in partnership with north korea, their people did nothing too? wake up, and grow up
@@ordinarygg What some random Russians did to Linux Kernel? We are not talking about war and military people here - just some random programmers.
So we ban them "for being Russian"? Isn't that a racism?
Hahahah an internacional effort now a US treasure asset! Shame
Not really a g'news.
How so? GNews is not related to “good news”
@@michael_tunnell Wait, really? I thought it was.
@@kras_mazov It's a play on GNU and/or GNOME
It’s a joke on the fact that GNU and GNOME both pronounce the G explicitly so I added a G to News for the silliness. It’s also a joke that the GNU people get mad that people call it just Linux. They want it to be GNU/Linux for no reason really so it’s also a joke on that putting it after Linux
Windows the only system in the word
WiNdOwS iS rEaDy, He'S rEaDy.
*No he ain't.*
it's just Linus being based and unprofessional. People love to spice, make things up.
feel free to switch over to any other free OS not made by Linus
When people discuss the topic about removing developers from R*ssia, they start doing the "whataboutism" thing, like "what about Israel or China". However, the topic is not related to those countries, which important thing to keep in mind. Sanctions or not, but I would do the same. "Justice warriors" who complain about such a decision do not know what w-a-r is.
Removing a random guy that maintains acer laptop drivers will definitely help stop the war
@@mxwlldev Yeah, lol. You'd think the tool being used for w-a-r is Linux.
@@mxwlldev Never mentioned that it would stop the war.
@@LavashykThen what is the f-ing point of sanctions if not to stop the war? Collective punishment is a warcrime btw
> "Justice warriors" who complain about such a decision do not know what w-a-r is.
I would argue its often the opposite. My father was held in Israeli prison for several years, like his father before him, and much of it solitary confinement. As a Palestinian, I've watched us get genocided since the time I was born. I know very well what war is, be it between my own genocide, or the fact that I, too, have people on both sides of this one, having studied in Russia myself, having friends in both places--actually, unfortunately, even conscripts in both places--and my own cousin was in Ukraine doing his degree as bombs were going off.
Many of us know what war is. And it's precisely because of that fact that statements like Linus', which take the issue from a purely cold and mechanical one, to that of an ethical one, hurt. It makes me feel bad knowing that I am literally worth less than that of a European. I am a subhuman, in essence.
It's not whataboutism, but rather a genuine critique; there is evidently something wrong with one's moral compass if it is okay to grep the .ru tld and nuke all the results in the list, yet ignore all those who work for or are associated with U.S. defense contractors, the Israeli defense industry, etc. I think it is totally fair to say, not "what about", but rather "why only?"
(And also RE: "well, Israel isn't sanctioned!" -- sure, but by all the same logic they should be, but that is not the point; had it simply been a cold legal response, I'd be annoyed, but I'd have accepted it. What bothers me is Linus and his statement that shows it's clearly also a political and ethical issue, and yet no one but Russia is being held to those same standards)