I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
Yeah, they could have had Jayfeather not interest in taking mates, instead of making him another medicine cat who falls in love. Which is forbidden. (Which arguably why that medicine cat code for not falling in love and taking a mate is dumb. They have feelings tok. And they make it when they're an apprentice! As if their young mind will know what it means to be lonely forever.) I mean, it was sweet that Half Moon and Jay's Wing were interested in each other, and Jayfeather finally felt someone was treating him not as a liability or just their medicine cat or just his sibling, but well. He couldn't stay. He and Half Moon could've just been really good friends. Someone that finally knew him as a cat and didn't just see him on the surface. No romantic feeling involved. Why can't we get more tom and molly friendships instead of automatically, oh they're together?? They're talking to each other?? Let's make them mates!
I mean I personally ship jay and briar but agreed the jayxhalf subplot was completely ham fisted and is probably one of the least convincing romances in warriors
And if they HAD to make a romance with Jayfeather Jaybriar could work wouldn’t really have that much change from the OG plot make it ok. Like there could be a scene where they talk about their pairing and stuff and later they both agree that they can’t be together and stay friends, wow, that’s practically the ending of the HalfJay ship but done better since Briar and Jay had time to grow, Jayfeather barely knows half moon,why should I care that he likes her, he barely KNOWS her! Like I can see both Jaybriar and Aromantic Jayfeather being a widely liked, and if it does happen I could accept it as canon but HalfJay sucks, the sequences are just acid trips to me, especially when he BEGS Rock to keep him as Jays Wing despite the fact that his parents,grandparents,cousins, BASICALLY EVERYONE HE FKING KNOWS, will die!I don’t get why this ship is so popular.
I personally think Jayfeather is grayromantic, since he falls in love with only one cat in his whole life under super specific circumstances, and I just think it fits him better. But yeah JayxHalf was really just extremely stupid.
Honestly PoT is what made me want to live in ThunderClan. The clan as a character was fleshed out and it's members memorable and distinct. PoT's ThunderClan actually felt like a community
@@suchomimustenerensis I feel like the broken code and spotfur’s rebellion helped a little bit with characterizing some of the blank slates a lot more than AVOS did atleast. Switching between multiple clans has made it extra hard. I really struggle remembering hardly any shadow clan cats and we’ve been in shadow clan 2 arcs now 😂 I remeber Skyclan and thunderclan much easier for some reason. Is that just me?
I think it would've been way more interesting if the three THOUGHT they were special and expected themselves to have great destinies and influence due to their heritage, and over the course of the arc they each slowly get their beliefs and egos shattered and grow until they become heroes on their own merits. it would still work with the fire scene, too.
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
If Hollyleaf's identity and reasoning for being special was because she was descended from Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight and followed the warrior code her arc would be much better than something something powers
"All they needed to do was define the super powers of the three cats" AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT RIGHT 😭 I lovewing Dovewing, but my girl Hollyleaf WAS ROBBED
POT was just made as like a preparation for OOTS and it was just us preparing for the prohpecy to be fulfilled after 12 meaningless books only realizing its like a 2 chapter battle
An idea. But with the plot of Sol getting ShadowClan to turn against StarClan, I think Hollyleaf's power should have been the ability to let StarClan cats speak through her. I don't know what that is called... is that like a psychic ability or something? Either way, that could have been a great power for Hollyleaf, especially considering her character arc of being obsessed with the Warrior Code.
I am a bit mad about Hollyleaf. In the first book it looks like her power was going to be like a really good strategist, in the first book we get some strategies from her point of view, strategies I'm not sure we saw anywhere alse, her power even seemed more defined than Lionblaze's one and I thought they were going to become a great super duo, they had a lot of potential for her to be leader with her strategies and Lionblaze deputy with his fighting powers while Jayfeather was the medicine cat, it would've been so cool to see the three of them in positions of power. I also say this about Hollyleaf because I think their powers, with the exception of Jayfeather, looked more like super enhanced abilities. Also, Spottedleaf said Jayfeather had enough power to shape the destiny of his clan, but he never did! How could his powers shape the destiny of his clan? How do they fit into it? Also, wtf is Sol, going back to the Tribe, and time-travel?! They never really fit into the arc, they don't build anything, it just feels like a collection of stories.
I didn’t really like her rewrite. All the changed at the end seemed rather unnecessary and I miss the Tribe from that story. Outcast wasn’t done very well, but I was hoping since it’s a re-write, she could make the tribe better in that book. Guess not.
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
Jayfeathers power can easily be strongly defined as "a stronger connectio to StarClan", a perfect fit as StarClan is the most confusing part of Warriors
It feels like the writers just tried throw in as many "cool" and "intriguing" ideas as they could that would appeal to kids and teen that liked Twilight and Harry Potter, instead of writing a proper story. Even the Fire Scene feels like that.
I legitimately read Power of Three the first *five times* skipping over Outcast and Eclipse because my library didn't have them, and coming back to it a few years later, I didn't really notice a difference
I really enjoy how fast and quick you are able to go through this arc. It's almost entertaining how how quickly it can be summarized and still be very accurate! Loved your detail about the characters and how we truthfully did get to know about them pretty well, if slow, still more personality than most. Great video!
If there's one thing PoT did right, it's the fact that it took its 'theme' in stride and really did good. Each arc tends to focus on something hidden underneath the actual plot. TPB showed us the how divided clan society is. Kittypet vs clan-cat. Medicine cat vs warrior. Outsider vs clanborn. One clan vs the other. It shows how these cats, despite living in the same place, following the same codes, and under the same higher power still divide themselves under arbitrary labels. TNP shows us how despite their division they still work together. All the clans were suffering due to the twolegs. Cats from every clan go on the journey to the ocean. Every clan makes the Great Journey together, helping each other along the way. When they get to the new territories they try and work it out peacefully at first. PoT shows us people, and how they can affect our lives. Leafpool and Squirrelflight literally swap familial roles without anyone else's knowledge. Sol almost made an entire clan give up Starclan. If it wasn't for Ashfur, Squirrelflight and Leafpool probably would have gotten away with it. Hollyleaf shook up the lives of 7 separate cats personally when she revealed the secret. We also have that thing with Tigerstar and Heathertail, and their effects on Lionblaze as he grew up. And, Jayfeather made a friend :) OoTS gave us the first real outside view of the prophecies. As much as I I don't like Ivypool, you have to give her credit: she was the first POV character to not have been a part of a prophecy. I know Hollyleaf wasn't as well, but for most of PoT we thought she was. For Ivypool, we knew pretty early on that she wasn't the prophecy cat and Dovewing was, but she doesn't. She doesn't even know there's a prophecy, just that these two very well respected cats are showing interest in her sister and not her. It also doesn't help that Dovewing, the one cat Ivypool thought she could trust in the clans, out-performs her in hunting, went on a quest, and betrayed her clan for Tigerheart. It might not seem like much, but to Ivypool it was certainly a betrayal. AVoS shows us the affects of family and connections. Alderpaw had constant anxiety over living up to his family's legacy, and he's constantly surrounded by family who've out done him; His father's the leader, his mother's the deputy, his aunt discovered the Moonpool, and his cousins are former members of a clan-saving prophecy. Then there's the makeshift family with Alderpaw, Needletail, Twigkit, and Violetkit, and the affects of separating a family. We also have how easily Shadowclan was split apart when the Kin arrived. We can't forget that the Kin wouldn't even be a thing if Onestar didn't abandon his mate and son. When Skyclan show up, Twigbranch and Violetshine need to make a decision over whether they want to stick with the people who raised them and they spent their whole lives with, or the place they were born into and their real family. DoTC shows us how even the closest of friends can be driven apart by corruption and greed. How, even in the beginning the clans were at each others throats for no reason other than they could. How, even the people who you trust the most can betray you, or do horrible things. TBC is ultimately about loyalty. Do you stay loyal to the code you live off of, or the fellow people who live under that code? Should you give up loyalty for someone just because of your loyalty to something else? If you know that what you've shown loyalty to is evil but holds all the power, should you still show them loyalty or defiance?
I have so much nostalgia for this arc, specifically dark river, which is the first Warriors book I ever read. Before I found it in my school library, I absolutely hated reading, now I have more books than I know what to do with and am always looking for more
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Yknow, The Sight and Dark River were good. Outcast was a pain in the rear to get through. Eclipse was meh. Long Shadows was alright. And using critical thinking, I figured out the father and mother of the kits, plus Ashfur’s killer. I didn’t bother reading Sunrise, and watched Moonkitti’s summary instead.
I have no idea if you'll ever see this, but... after watching this, and other videos of yours (I am going to be watching all of them by the way), I honestly want to see you talk about all of the Arcs. TPB, TNP, DoTC, AVOS... you seem to have a talent for breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of the individual arcs, identifying character arcs, discussing the pacing, and the characterizations of the cast. There's only so much that can be done in 10-minute videos, but I've enjoyed your breakdowns significantly, and I really hope you talk more about the overall arcs, as well as some of the character arcs as well. It'll be a delight to see your takes on them.
Warrior Cats is a series where no one ever tells anyone ANYTHING. •Sandstorm doesn't tell Firestar that she likes him. •Cinderpelt doesn't tell Firestar that she likes him. (Instead she tells him that Sandstorm likes him....????) •Brambleclaw doesn't tell Squirrelflight about training in the Dark Forest with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost. •Lionpaw doesn't tell Heatherpaw that he likes her. He also doesn't tell Jaypaw that he's meeting Heatherpaw. He ALSO doesn't tell anyone that he sees Tigerstar's ghost. •Jaypaw doesn't tell his siblings about the prophecy. (So far. I'm on Outcast.) •Firestar doesn't/hasn't/won't tell anyone about anything EVER! •Stormfur and Brook come to live with ThunderClan and don't tell them why. •Millie and Greystripe come back from a heroic adventure and say absolutely NOTHING about it.
The three should have been Ashfurs kits, you can't convince me otherwise. One of them is even GRAY ffs Think about this: Brambleclaw is clearly abusive, enough though the Erins tried everything in their power to make him seem in the right, but it's not that hard of a stretch to imagine that Squirrelflight sought comfort with Ashfur (as she did already and they were clearly courting each other) and got pregnant with his kits before going back to Brambleass, then Ashfur could have confronted her and been like 'these are our kits D=" and Squilf been like "nop, they're Brambleclaws ಠ益ಠ" Being denied his own children would have given him SO much more motivation for doing everything he did. AND Hollyleaf killing Ashfur would have been SO much more impactful, because hey, she'd have killed her own father instead of throwing a massive fit over Ashfur revealing that she and her brothers were halfclan, that happens all the time, it's not that big of a deal, come on Hollyleaf.
This.. this is AMAZING! I'd rather read that instead of original Power Od Three. You sort of made Ashfur into male version of Mapleshade but this is a very interestiong concept.
@@TheAshfurApologist at least starting a family with your half Nice is not as bad as starting a family with your 2nd cousin (cough bramble and squirrelf cough)
@@TheAshfurApologist actually no bramble and squirrelf are literally cousins and ashfur isn’t her brother. Sandstorm and tigerstar are cousins making bramble and squirrelf cousins. Ashfurs dad is whitestorm and mom is brindleface (this is confirmed look at the warrior cats family tree) and REDTAIL and brindleface had sandstorm which would make them only half uncle and Nice which is not as bad as second cousin
I am still confused why Midnight told the first four clan leaders that telling the secrets of the clans to Sol was supposed to prepare the Clans for The Power of Three. She says that and it is straight up just forgotten lol
The journey to find Sol is kind of like Brienne's journey to find Sansa in ASOIAF. The readers know it's completely pointless because we have Sansa's pov and know exactly where she is, which makes it hard to be invested into what happens.
just listening to these videos in the background is great but for some odd reason seeing every visual on screen is entertaining on its own, you do everything in these videos really well
I really like the Power of three, despite it was quite desapointing reading 6 hole books about a Profesy that never came in those books. The main reason I love those books are Jayfeather and Sol. In the first book I felt it was the first time a cat was questioning Starclan's rol and power when I read Jaypaw's point of view. I mean in the previous books if someone thought Starclan is wrong or it's because it's a villan who doesn't care about anything or because it's a kittypet that doesn't fully understand the warrior code yet. Also It's so easy to like Jaykit/paw when you see that no one believes he can be a warrior (and they decided that because he couldn't fight without any training as Brightheart only made him do apprendetices chores but had no idea how to train him in fighting, I don't blame her, it was her first apprentise but Firestar shouldn't have gave her Jay as her apprentice, just a normal non-grumpy apprendetice instead) and Starclan is one of them. Sol is the first villan who doesn't fight or kill to gain power, he just say some truths and lies and manipulate a whole clan just with his words. This thing about questioning Starclan and Hollyleaf wanting to be the most loyal warrior to the warrior code shoud have been the main plot in my opinion. I mean Sol controlling Shadowclan lasted one book and then he doesn't do much. Sorry for my English
The Sight’s cover is what made me obsessed with warrior cats, plus my best friend and I were always Lionblaze and Cinderpelt/Heart. I love the chosen ones/chosen siblings trope and Lion, Jay and Holly on the cover looking cute and epic won me over.
@Lilac_goat Apart from the cats having an organized system, religion, the ability to communicate with each other with words, are intelligent/intellectual, the Warriors world does have aspects of realism in it. It's not totally fantasy, nor is it totally realistic. Cat genetics are all over the places and the many, many, many mistakes in the books like fur color, heritage, cat gender, eye color, etc. It's realistic in the sense that these are cats fighting for survival, they get sick during the cold season, they get hungry, they have kittens when two cats pair up, and etc. The basic things. There are many series out there like Warriors. With animals as the main protagonists that are able to think, communicate, have and set a system with their own kind or others. The Song of the Summer King (gryphons), Firebringer (unicorns), Firebringer (deer), The Named (prehistoric cats), The Sight (wolves), Foxcraft (foxes), Club of Mysteries Cat Pack (cats), Dogs of the Drowned City (dog), Survivors (dogs), Seekers (bears), Bravelands (african animals), Wings of Fire (dragons), Silverwing (bats) and etc. All of these books like Warriors are all set in the real world/a realistic world. But they have fantasy elements. Like how Seekers has a bear that's a shapeshifter. Not far from how Warriors has cats with supernatural abilities. Or how Wings if Fire has aminus dragons. Well, I'm not sure were I was going with this, but I dislike when someone questions the realism in Warriors or says, 'Yeah "realistic"'. It's not supposed to be totally realistic. Cats can't even talk in the way we do. They use body signals, scents, memory, etc to communicate. It's supposed to be realistic with elements of fantasy.
@@petalleaf2808 i know, i like how there are fantacy elements but sometimes it goes so far with the fantacy like givint cats super powers. Anyway we dont beed to argue about this, we all have our opinions and the erins are probably never gonna read my comment and they can do what they like with their books
@@Candy-8448 I guess it does go too far at times. Well. At least it made things interesting for Jayfeather. Lionblaze was just basically cat Superman. Though.. there are some supernatural elements in the real world, are there not? Weird laws of gravity in different places. People becoming mathematically or musically inclined after being struck by lightning. The very intriguing genetic mutations of humans. Well, hopefully the next arc after The Broken Code will take things back. The 8th arc. Just normal clan life with a fight of clan politics and such. Maybe a changing of the Warrior code. Or even the clans' systems. Nothing like possession, ghosts, etc. Though that did make things really interesting.
@@petalleaf2808 I'm fully agreeing on this I feel like I want to turn Warriors into this: (If I take over the series which is unlikely) ua-cam.com/video/7xKyPSGrMpE/v-deo.html
This is the final video I have to watch, then I would've watched all of Sunny’s videos for the first time in one day... Christmas Day! Thanks Sunny, for a awesome Christmas
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
@@nenmaster5218 what does that have to do with my comment? I never said a word about the quality of warriors. I just said I watched a lot of UA-cam in one day
@@nenmaster5218 then why reply to a comment instead of just commenting? I'm not against you saying what you said, I just don't understand why you wrote it as a reply to my comment
i’ve been thinking about this arc and why it doesn’t work for a while now so it’s awesome to watch this video and see that you came to the same conclusions i did. very glad to have my opinion backed by a competent authority!
I'm currently on Outcast and here are my thoughts on arc 3 so far: First of all, I love Jaypaw. I don't like how everyone treats him like he can't do anything just because he's blind. I felt a huge amount of love and sympathy for him during The Sight. ❤ (Jaypaw is definitely going on my top 5 favourite cat list!) Next, I'd like to say that it's not very clear what Hollypaw's power is, nor do I know what Lionpaw's power is. But Jaypaw's power is pretty cool! I think it might be mind reading, emotional sympathy and stuff like that. He can also invade dreams which is.... interesting, but really cool. Lastly, I just want to say that: (in my opinion~) Jaypaw is cool and reasonable, Hollypaw is annoying and nosy and Lionpaw is boring and lovey-dovey (for Heatherpaw). A note to anyone reading this: Please do NOT spoil the rest of the series for me. I'll find out how it ends myself, once I read the rest of the books.
Ok I actually like omen of the stars a lot more. A because I just love ivy and dove, and B while it isnt the most well paced, it always was my favorite arc, from the B stories to the sister drama to ok side not I actually liked the dark forest in this arc. I personally think pot was worse but maybe that's just me, I'm also the one who only really liked the first two books of pot and hated hollyleafs pov so discount me if you will fandom
The title explains how I feel about The Power of Three. I had hard times reading the season since all of the “Three” chosen cats were dick to their clan mates every 2 seconds and I just went, “Erin Hunter, what motivated you and your team to write such terrible characters?”
The power of three was the first arc I read and I really liked it for the character relations and slice of life elements that you talked about! It was definitely a mess though, and the over arching plot and a lot of the details didn’t make sense.
I just wanna say that something I really find annoying about the Power of Three, and that is how it presents StarClan. StarClan used to mean something special, and having a connection to StarClan by being a medicine cat or a leader used to mean something special. I think it's sort of because the writer just added... to much StarClan. StarClan sent small but frequent prophesies in The prophesies begin, now they just send massive prophesies. Almost all essential character drama is based entirely on StarClan. I like it when cats have exciting adventures on their own. Also, StarClan used to seem very mystic, but now all they are are cats in the sky. Their powers are very inconsistent, and just have completely random limits that keep changing. I still like it, it's an amazing book. Bye Sunny!
I had an idea where Hollyleaf's death causes Jayfeather and Lionblaze to doubt their powers and the prophecy. In Omen of the Stars, Lionblaze goes as far as to abandon his powers because they've been troublesome for him, and live out his life as normal warrior, while Jayfeather hopes that Dovewing is the true third and that there is good purpose for their powers existing. This is all because Hollyleaf died without them knowing for sure whether she had power or not, and, if she did, she was likely using it for selfish and dangerous purposes, like Lionblaze had before.
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard. What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has. It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat! I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself. Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral. Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS. If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
Personally I like Power of Three in how it was written, its more so a story I like where its character driven but there is one change I'd make: Lionblaze and Hollyleaf should have been switched though in power shifts. Hollyleaf would have been given stealth based powers and Lionblaze would be powerless and after the Fire scene would have accidentally killed Ashfur and in fear of it spreading and from Tigerstar's influence would have gone to the tunnels and became a sort of good guy parallel to Tigerstar I where he would had his own group in the tunnels that would be a plot point in the end of Book Three of Omen onward. Thats my only change. The parallel with Tigerstar would be because of his training in the Dark Forest.
I would rank them differently depending on whether I consider true quality or personal favorites but I'll give you the latter. 1. Omen of the Stars 2. Dawn of the Clans 3. The Prophecies Begin 4. Power of Three 5. A Vision of Shadows 6. The New Prophecy The Broken Code hasn't been completed yet so I don't want to give it a definitive ranking but it's looking like it'll be somewhere between Dawn of the Clans and A Vision of Shadows.
@@Sunnyfall Mine would be something way different. 6. A Vision of Shadows: it is undoubtedly the worst arc, by a story stand point and a memorability stand point. I can remember anything from this arc and what little I actually do, I hate with every fiber of my being. 5. Omen of the Stars: It’s okay. Compared to Vision of Shadows, it is tons better, but all the StarClan and Datk Forest stuff made very little sense and the overall story was a mess. Also Sign of the Moon is one of my least favorite books because what even happened in it? It was so contrived and stupid that I can’t just forget it. Also barley any new characters either from Dovewing and Ivypool were introduced. 4. The New Prophecy: It was definitely very awesome and I was certainly impressed by it when I first read it, but it is just kinda meh for me. It was very important yet didn’t really do all that much. It got kind of boring in Sunrise and Twilight. 3. The Prophices Begin: I actually like this one quite a bit, and it was the most well flowing together arc of all of them. I don’t really think it was the best, but I still really love it. 2. Dawn of the Clans: I absolutely adore this arc but I just can not stand A Forest Divided. There are so many unnecessary chapters that add up to nothing and so much could have been done in it. The beginning and the end of the book were amazing though, and Thunder Rising is honestly one of the best books in Warriors. 1. The Power of Three: I know you made a whole video about why it’s bad, but I just can’t help but love it. Hollyleaf is one of my favorite characters and I love the amount of depth she is given. I don’t care that much for Jayfeather but he did do more stuff than Lionblaze so I guess he’s got that going for him. I really just like all the character moments and the only meh book was Outcast. I didn’t really see the point of that book. I am currently rereading The Sight and I really love it. It isn’t the most eventful but I really dig how much the characters are delved into and explored. The Sight is really cool for me. Dark River is also cool if I remember. It had a lot of mystery and intrigue. Outcast happened, then it was Eclipse which is Sol’s book! A big part of The Power of Three is actually reestablishing the Warrior Code. The Warrior Code is the most important it has ever been and it is a main focus, even if you don’t think it is. Like Hollyleaf breaking down, Long Shadpws, just everything is amazing. I like this arc way too much then I should. As for The Broken Code, I really love it so far. I can’t wait to read the last two books and I really do think, based on the first four books, that it could become my favorite or second favorite. This arc could just be so much, and it has already been a lot! There were no boring books so at least it’s better in that regard. I will wait a year to find out if I’m right about this book.
@@Cloverrfrostt The only arcs I really dislike are A Vision of Shadows and The New Prophecy. I find enjoyment in all the others, even when I see minor and even significant flaws in their writing.
@@Cloverrfrostt It's a large array of reasons, some of which I plan to cover in the future, but in general: What I look for in Warriors arcs are interesting characters growing by going through preferably interesting situations.The New Prophecy's cast was exceedingly dry, and despite having protagonists from all four clans this time only Thunderclan and to an extent Windclan got cats with definable personalities. The issue is especially prevalent since, unlike Power of Three for example, you don't get to spend time with the whole clan and get to know them if you happen to not like the protagonists. The six journeying cats, plus Leafpool and Hawkfrost, are pretty much the cast you get for the series. Brambleclaw's entire character arc is one he already finished in Darkest Hour but he was reverted to maybe trusting his father so we could have him believe Hawkfrost and have a big "will he be evil" plot through to the end of the arc. Then there's the facts that it is the start of Riverclan's decline into irrelevancy, the forming of the tribe as a subservient entity and with it the colonialistic attitude of the clans, and the start of Brambleclaw being deputy and eventual leader, something that I personally consider to not only be a bad ending to his arc and a bad situation with the Starclan sign making his position, but also a bad writing choice that is still harming my view of the series today in The Broken Code.
I really disliked Power of Three when I read it. I just couldn't like any of the main three, and I still don't, with the exception of post-murder Hollyleaf, because at least she was interesting and had a nice little redemption arc in OotS. I found them all really self-absorbed.
Same, I liked Power of Three! I haven't read a few books there for quite a while, but I don't remember feeling bored, frustrated, or disliking the plot/story in the books because they're filler or plain boring. I thought the battle in Eclipse was interesting since all four clans were dragged into it. The part where Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, and Jayfeather helped Flamepaw, Tigerpaw, and Dawnpaw make Blackstar believe ShadowClan was falling as StarClan's presence was really cool. (Why isn't there any art, maps, pmvs about this part in the books? It was really awesome for those six cats to work together to help ShadowClan.) I can't remember much else as it has been a while, but I did like just reading about the normal days for the three. Clan life. And thinking about the prophecy and what it could mean. They're not going to find out the meaning quickly and everything. StarClan is vague and the thing with the Dark Forest didn't even start till the last arc.
OK...am I the only one who likes the quest books? I'm just saying it's not as bad as people say. Though the only character who I think wasn't necessary is Sol. The time travel bit was actually because it answered a lot of questions; why is that stick important? Where the clans from the Lake first or the mountains? What happened to those cats who didn't belong to starclan, tribe of endless hunting, or the dark Forest?
Probably a very unpopular opinion/hot take, But I actually like it when they travel in the Warriors books, it takes us out of the constant loop of repetitive clan life in my honest opinion I think that's why besides The Darkest Hour, the first 3 books of the second arc were my favorite (probably another unpopular opinion)
I got through rereading this arc a few weeks ago, and I'm ngl it really just felt so pointless. The Sight felt like a decent start to each character, not great, but decent. Dark River had a decent budding romance for Lionpaw and a little bit of intrigue with his Dark Forest training, almost nothing else happens except Jaypaw marrying a stick. Outcast is literally pointless, I really felt like it could have just been a single manga focusing on Stormfur and Brook similar to The Rise of Scourge. Eclipse had a cool scene with well...the Eclipse and Sol fucking up Shadowclan at the end, but overall just felt like fluff otherwise. Long Shadows was easily the best book, showing off Sol and of course, the iconic fire scene. It really seemed to build Ashfur up as a really cool villain....only to immediately kill him off without even writing a scene about it until near the end of Sunrise. Sunrise is just a really obvious game of Clue of "Who killed Ashfur?" and Sol's defeat was so underwhelming. When I read how Sol just ominously stared at Hollyleaf as the three walked away from him, I literally just said out loud "That's it? That's all we get?" Hawkfrost's battle with Brambleclaw in TNP was really short, but it kind of felt poetic with how Hawkfrost was just a more lawful Tigerstar and his ambition basically being his own downfall. Scourge had a massive epic battle with the four clans and Firestar. Sol....just stares at Hollyleaf. That's it. just staring. I was half expecting him to have brainwashed a rag tag of rogues and have them fight the three, showcasing his charisma and manipulation. No, we just get STARING. It was a massive letdown. Really, reading this arc just made me feel like they didn't know what to do with the arc after Dark River and decided to kick the can down the road until Omen of the Stars.
The power of three and into the wild gotta be some of my favorite arcs just because of how great the characters are😭❤ Other than lionblaze he’s boring as crap
Power of Three isn’t a bad arc and it didn’t fail, I quite enjoyed it a lot especially at the time It’s not too slow and doesn’t have a lack of direction, we simply see multiple perspectives It’s more of a character story at times, the plot still progresses and we see the main story continue in omen of the stars as well. You say it failed as if it’s a fact and not an opinion, in which case it’s not. To say it’s bad is ignoring the good parts of it. Even with some potential flaws it still has a lot to like about it. And again isn’t a bad arcs and did not fail.
I believe Power Of Three was a rather boring and very confusing arc. I could barely remember what happened because so many things were happening at once. They did well with multiple perspectives in the first books but then it just got so confusing. I did not think Lionblaze or Hollyleaf was very interesting until she killed someone, and only Jayfeather had something to do with the entire arc. And I don’t believe she’s saying it like it’s fact, it’s more so how she believes it failed. Other Warrior books handled different perspectives way better than the power of three, in my opinion. And I feel like the Power Of Three didn’t have a main plot going until it was revealed they weren’t Squirrelflight’s kits, for it seemed like each book had a different plot not tying with their powers.
When even Firestar is trying to speed the Arc up.
@Max Liu well im not paralysed but i seem to be struck by you i wanna make you move BECAUSE YOURE STANDIN STIAHL
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
Yeah he wanted things to be how they were back in his day, when a whole apprenticeship happened in a book.
Lionpaw would have been so much more interesting if he had actually lost control and killed Crowfeather or Heathertail
Yeah, Heathertail was annoying, and after she got older she didn’t really do anything and became a background character
**COUGHCOUGH**Cursedthreeau**COUGHCOUGH**
@@ShadowStray_ 100% agree, she should’ve died. I’m all for Breezepelt finding redemption, but he can have any other she-cat in the clan.
He would have been a cool villain or an anti-hero
FACT
I think that the main reason for the stupid time travel was because they were too cowardly to make Jayfeather possibly Aromantic
Yeah, they could have had Jayfeather not interest in taking mates, instead of making him another medicine cat who falls in love. Which is forbidden. (Which arguably why that medicine cat code for not falling in love and taking a mate is dumb. They have feelings tok. And they make it when they're an apprentice! As if their young mind will know what it means to be lonely forever.)
I mean, it was sweet that Half Moon and Jay's Wing were interested in each other, and Jayfeather finally felt someone was treating him not as a liability or just their medicine cat or just his sibling, but well. He couldn't stay. He and Half Moon could've just been really good friends. Someone that finally knew him as a cat and didn't just see him on the surface. No romantic feeling involved. Why can't we get more tom and molly friendships instead of automatically, oh they're together?? They're talking to each other?? Let's make them mates!
I mean I personally ship jay and briar but agreed the jayxhalf subplot was completely ham fisted and is probably one of the least convincing romances in warriors
And if they HAD to make a romance with Jayfeather Jaybriar could work wouldn’t really have that much change from the OG plot make it ok.
Like there could be a scene where they talk about their pairing and stuff and later they both agree that they can’t be together and stay friends, wow, that’s practically the ending of the HalfJay ship but done better since Briar and Jay had time to grow, Jayfeather barely knows half moon,why should I care that he likes her, he barely KNOWS her!
Like I can see both Jaybriar and Aromantic Jayfeather being a widely liked, and if it does happen I could accept it as canon but HalfJay sucks, the sequences are just acid trips to me, especially when he BEGS Rock to keep him as Jays Wing despite the fact that his parents,grandparents,cousins, BASICALLY EVERYONE HE FKING KNOWS, will die!I don’t get why this ship is so popular.
I personally think Jayfeather is grayromantic, since he falls in love with only one cat in his whole life under super specific circumstances, and I just think it fits him better. But yeah JayxHalf was really just extremely stupid.
@Moon I mean I certainly didn't. The majority of people seem to be of the opinion warriors is too romance focused (at least from what I've seen)
Honestly PoT is what made me want to live in ThunderClan. The clan as a character was fleshed out and it's members memorable and distinct.
PoT's ThunderClan actually felt like a community
Yes! I wish they’d do that more 😭
Now it feels like a party where the entire school comes and you don’t know 90% of the people there
@@suchomimustenerensis I feel like the broken code and spotfur’s rebellion helped a little bit with characterizing some of the blank slates a lot more than AVOS did atleast. Switching between multiple clans has made it extra hard. I really struggle remembering hardly any shadow clan cats and we’ve been in shadow clan 2 arcs now 😂 I remeber Skyclan and thunderclan much easier for some reason. Is that just me?
So real
I think it would've been way more interesting if the three THOUGHT they were special and expected themselves to have great destinies and influence due to their heritage, and over the course of the arc they each slowly get their beliefs and egos shattered and grow until they become heroes on their own merits. it would still work with the fire scene, too.
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
If Hollyleaf's identity and reasoning for being special was because she was descended from Brambleclaw and Squirrelflight and followed the warrior code her arc would be much better than something something powers
"All they needed to do was define the super powers of the three cats" AND THEY COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT RIGHT 😭 I lovewing Dovewing, but my girl Hollyleaf WAS ROBBED
9:19 No wonder ThunderClan always have so much population - They're a loaning bank of cats.
POT was just made as like a preparation for OOTS and it was just us preparing for the prohpecy to be fulfilled after 12 meaningless books only realizing its like a 2 chapter battle
Ikr and then like 6 characters die in that period
An idea. But with the plot of Sol getting ShadowClan to turn against StarClan, I think Hollyleaf's power should have been the ability to let StarClan cats speak through her. I don't know what that is called... is that like a psychic ability or something? Either way, that could have been a great power for Hollyleaf, especially considering her character arc of being obsessed with the Warrior Code.
Yes definitely, she should have had a warrior code-related power!
Ah so like ghost from "my pride"
@@Nicodemus-1004 I need to watch that now that you mention it
@@greyisnotthefather yeh its the last one where it shows
@@Nicodemus-1004 I'll start on the series after work.
I am a bit mad about Hollyleaf. In the first book it looks like her power was going to be like a really good strategist, in the first book we get some strategies from her point of view, strategies I'm not sure we saw anywhere alse, her power even seemed more defined than Lionblaze's one and I thought they were going to become a great super duo, they had a lot of potential for her to be leader with her strategies and Lionblaze deputy with his fighting powers while Jayfeather was the medicine cat, it would've been so cool to see the three of them in positions of power.
I also say this about Hollyleaf because I think their powers, with the exception of Jayfeather, looked more like super enhanced abilities.
Also, Spottedleaf said Jayfeather had enough power to shape the destiny of his clan, but he never did! How could his powers shape the destiny of his clan? How do they fit into it?
Also, wtf is Sol, going back to the Tribe, and time-travel?! They never really fit into the arc, they don't build anything, it just feels like a collection of stories.
Tennele Flowers rewrote the POT and I love it so much the only thing I don't like is Hollyleaf dying and fully being evil.
Yea
I didn’t really like her rewrite. All the changed at the end seemed rather unnecessary and I miss the Tribe from that story. Outcast wasn’t done very well, but I was hoping since it’s a re-write, she could make the tribe better in that book. Guess not.
@@Cloverrfrostt I guess. I like the Tribe too. There's a few things wrong with it but everyone has their opinions
@@Cloverrfrostt also Tennele goes by he/him now
Was Hollyleaf really “fully” evil though...? She expresses deep regret for her actions and agrees to help protect the Clans from the Dark Forest.
I liked reading them as they came out. Only in hindsight after OOTS that I found out that it felt like 6 books of filler
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
Jayfeathers power can easily be strongly defined as "a stronger connectio to StarClan", a perfect fit as StarClan is the most confusing part of Warriors
Power of 3 is really like me in conversations
Throwing in random things to keep it going
(I’m a mess help)
It feels like the writers just tried throw in as many "cool" and "intriguing" ideas as they could that would appeal to kids and teen that liked Twilight and Harry Potter, instead of writing a proper story. Even the Fire Scene feels like that.
I legitimately read Power of Three the first *five times* skipping over Outcast and Eclipse because my library didn't have them, and coming back to it a few years later, I didn't really notice a difference
I really enjoy how fast and quick you are able to go through this arc. It's almost entertaining how how quickly it can be summarized and still be very accurate! Loved your detail about the characters and how we truthfully did get to know about them pretty well, if slow, still more personality than most. Great video!
Some people take up crocheting, sourdough baking or yoga during a pandemic, Jaypaw went with time travel LARPing!
If there's one thing PoT did right, it's the fact that it took its 'theme' in stride and really did good. Each arc tends to focus on something hidden underneath the actual plot.
TPB showed us the how divided clan society is. Kittypet vs clan-cat. Medicine cat vs warrior. Outsider vs clanborn. One clan vs the other. It shows how these cats, despite living in the same place, following the same codes, and under the same higher power still divide themselves under arbitrary labels.
TNP shows us how despite their division they still work together. All the clans were suffering due to the twolegs. Cats from every clan go on the journey to the ocean. Every clan makes the Great Journey together, helping each other along the way. When they get to the new territories they try and work it out peacefully at first.
PoT shows us people, and how they can affect our lives. Leafpool and Squirrelflight literally swap familial roles without anyone else's knowledge. Sol almost made an entire clan give up Starclan. If it wasn't for Ashfur, Squirrelflight and Leafpool probably would have gotten away with it. Hollyleaf shook up the lives of 7 separate cats personally when she revealed the secret. We also have that thing with Tigerstar and Heathertail, and their effects on Lionblaze as he grew up. And, Jayfeather made a friend :)
OoTS gave us the first real outside view of the prophecies. As much as I I don't like Ivypool, you have to give her credit: she was the first POV character to not have been a part of a prophecy. I know Hollyleaf wasn't as well, but for most of PoT we thought she was. For Ivypool, we knew pretty early on that she wasn't the prophecy cat and Dovewing was, but she doesn't. She doesn't even know there's a prophecy, just that these two very well respected cats are showing interest in her sister and not her. It also doesn't help that Dovewing, the one cat Ivypool thought she could trust in the clans, out-performs her in hunting, went on a quest, and betrayed her clan for Tigerheart. It might not seem like much, but to Ivypool it was certainly a betrayal.
AVoS shows us the affects of family and connections. Alderpaw had constant anxiety over living up to his family's legacy, and he's constantly surrounded by family who've out done him; His father's the leader, his mother's the deputy, his aunt discovered the Moonpool, and his cousins are former members of a clan-saving prophecy. Then there's the makeshift family with Alderpaw, Needletail, Twigkit, and Violetkit, and the affects of separating a family. We also have how easily Shadowclan was split apart when the Kin arrived. We can't forget that the Kin wouldn't even be a thing if Onestar didn't abandon his mate and son. When Skyclan show up, Twigbranch and Violetshine need to make a decision over whether they want to stick with the people who raised them and they spent their whole lives with, or the place they were born into and their real family.
DoTC shows us how even the closest of friends can be driven apart by corruption and greed. How, even in the beginning the clans were at each others throats for no reason other than they could. How, even the people who you trust the most can betray you, or do horrible things.
TBC is ultimately about loyalty. Do you stay loyal to the code you live off of, or the fellow people who live under that code? Should you give up loyalty for someone just because of your loyalty to something else? If you know that what you've shown loyalty to is evil but holds all the power, should you still show them loyalty or defiance?
I have so much nostalgia for this arc, specifically dark river, which is the first Warriors book I ever read. Before I found it in my school library, I absolutely hated reading, now I have more books than I know what to do with and am always looking for more
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
looking forward to hearing Why OOTS Bad
Yknow, The Sight and Dark River were good. Outcast was a pain in the rear to get through. Eclipse was meh. Long Shadows was alright. And using critical thinking, I figured out the father and mother of the kits, plus Ashfur’s killer. I didn’t bother reading Sunrise, and watched Moonkitti’s summary instead.
I have no idea if you'll ever see this, but... after watching this, and other videos of yours (I am going to be watching all of them by the way), I honestly want to see you talk about all of the Arcs. TPB, TNP, DoTC, AVOS... you seem to have a talent for breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of the individual arcs, identifying character arcs, discussing the pacing, and the characterizations of the cast. There's only so much that can be done in 10-minute videos, but I've enjoyed your breakdowns significantly, and I really hope you talk more about the overall arcs, as well as some of the character arcs as well. It'll be a delight to see your takes on them.
Warrior Cats is a series where no one ever tells anyone ANYTHING.
•Sandstorm doesn't tell Firestar that she likes him.
•Cinderpelt doesn't tell Firestar that she likes him. (Instead she tells him that Sandstorm likes him....????)
•Brambleclaw doesn't tell Squirrelflight about training in the Dark Forest with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost.
•Lionpaw doesn't tell Heatherpaw that he likes her. He also doesn't tell Jaypaw that he's meeting Heatherpaw. He ALSO doesn't tell anyone that he sees Tigerstar's ghost.
•Jaypaw doesn't tell his siblings about the prophecy. (So far. I'm on Outcast.)
•Firestar doesn't/hasn't/won't tell anyone about anything EVER!
•Stormfur and Brook come to live with ThunderClan and don't tell them why.
•Millie and Greystripe come back from a heroic adventure and say absolutely NOTHING about it.
The three should have been Ashfurs kits, you can't convince me otherwise. One of them is even GRAY ffs
Think about this: Brambleclaw is clearly abusive, enough though the Erins tried everything in their power to make him seem in the right, but it's not that hard of a stretch to imagine that Squirrelflight sought comfort with Ashfur (as she did already and they were clearly courting each other) and got pregnant with his kits before going back to Brambleass, then Ashfur could have confronted her and been like 'these are our kits D=" and Squilf been like "nop, they're Brambleclaws ಠ益ಠ"
Being denied his own children would have given him SO much more motivation for doing everything he did.
AND Hollyleaf killing Ashfur would have been SO much more impactful, because hey, she'd have killed her own father instead of throwing a massive fit over Ashfur revealing that she and her brothers were halfclan, that happens all the time, it's not that big of a deal, come on Hollyleaf.
This.. this is AMAZING!
I'd rather read that instead of original Power Od Three. You sort of made Ashfur into male version of Mapleshade but this is a very interestiong concept.
Iam sure brindleface would be sitting up in starclan, ecstatic that her son finally started a family... with her granddaughter.
@@TheAshfurApologist at least starting a family with your half Nice is not as bad as starting a family with your 2nd cousin (cough bramble and squirrelf cough)
@@RowanthekittydogOwO if you say so. Aren't bramble and squirrel distantly related, as opposed to ashfur being her mothers half brother
@@TheAshfurApologist actually no bramble and squirrelf are literally cousins and ashfur isn’t her brother.
Sandstorm and tigerstar are cousins making bramble and squirrelf cousins. Ashfurs dad is whitestorm and mom is brindleface (this is confirmed look at the warrior cats family tree) and REDTAIL and brindleface had sandstorm which would make them only half uncle and Nice which is not as bad as second cousin
I am still confused why Midnight told the first four clan leaders that telling the secrets of the clans to Sol was supposed to prepare the Clans for The Power of Three. She says that and it is straight up just forgotten lol
The journey to find Sol is kind of like Brienne's journey to find Sansa in ASOIAF. The readers know it's completely pointless because we have Sansa's pov and know exactly where she is, which makes it hard to be invested into what happens.
just listening to these videos in the background is great but for some odd reason seeing every visual on screen is entertaining on its own, you do everything in these videos really well
Some people say that the new prophecy is the worst ark. But they have not read power of three
But i kinda like book 6
I really like the Power of three, despite it was quite desapointing reading 6 hole books about a Profesy that never came in those books.
The main reason I love those books are Jayfeather and Sol. In the first book I felt it was the first time a cat was questioning Starclan's rol and power when I read Jaypaw's point of view. I mean in the previous books if someone thought Starclan is wrong or it's because it's a villan who doesn't care about anything or because it's a kittypet that doesn't fully understand the warrior code yet. Also It's so easy to like Jaykit/paw when you see that no one believes he can be a warrior (and they decided that because he couldn't fight without any training as Brightheart only made him do apprendetices chores but had no idea how to train him in fighting, I don't blame her, it was her first apprentise but Firestar shouldn't have gave her Jay as her apprentice, just a normal non-grumpy apprendetice instead) and Starclan is one of them.
Sol is the first villan who doesn't fight or kill to gain power, he just say some truths and lies and manipulate a whole clan just with his words. This thing about questioning Starclan and Hollyleaf wanting to be the most loyal warrior to the warrior code shoud have been the main plot in my opinion. I mean Sol controlling Shadowclan lasted one book and then he doesn't do much.
Sorry for my English
The Sight’s cover is what made me obsessed with warrior cats, plus my best friend and I were always Lionblaze and Cinderpelt/Heart. I love the chosen ones/chosen siblings trope and Lion, Jay and Holly on the cover looking cute and epic won me over.
Power of 3 is basicly a filler arc. Also super powers for cats are useless, dumb, and ruin the last bit of realism in the books
Ah yes because cats have organised religion
@Lilac_goat Apart from the cats having an organized system, religion, the ability to communicate with each other with words, are intelligent/intellectual, the Warriors world does have aspects of realism in it.
It's not totally fantasy, nor is it totally realistic. Cat genetics are all over the places and the many, many, many mistakes in the books like fur color, heritage, cat gender, eye color, etc.
It's realistic in the sense that these are cats fighting for survival, they get sick during the cold season, they get hungry, they have kittens when two cats pair up, and etc. The basic things. There are many series out there like Warriors. With animals as the main protagonists that are able to think, communicate, have and set a system with their own kind or others. The Song of the Summer King (gryphons), Firebringer (unicorns), Firebringer (deer), The Named (prehistoric cats), The Sight (wolves), Foxcraft (foxes), Club of Mysteries Cat Pack (cats), Dogs of the Drowned City (dog), Survivors (dogs), Seekers (bears), Bravelands (african animals), Wings of Fire (dragons), Silverwing (bats) and etc.
All of these books like Warriors are all set in the real world/a realistic world. But they have fantasy elements. Like how Seekers has a bear that's a shapeshifter. Not far from how Warriors has cats with supernatural abilities. Or how Wings if Fire has aminus dragons.
Well, I'm not sure were I was going with this, but I dislike when someone questions the realism in Warriors or says, 'Yeah "realistic"'. It's not supposed to be totally realistic. Cats can't even talk in the way we do. They use body signals, scents, memory, etc to communicate. It's supposed to be realistic with elements of fantasy.
@@petalleaf2808 i know, i like how there are fantacy elements but sometimes it goes so far with the fantacy like givint cats super powers. Anyway we dont beed to argue about this, we all have our opinions and the erins are probably never gonna read my comment and they can do what they like with their books
@@Candy-8448 I guess it does go too far at times. Well. At least it made things interesting for Jayfeather. Lionblaze was just basically cat Superman. Though.. there are some supernatural elements in the real world, are there not? Weird laws of gravity in different places. People becoming mathematically or musically inclined after being struck by lightning. The very intriguing genetic mutations of humans.
Well, hopefully the next arc after The Broken Code will take things back. The 8th arc. Just normal clan life with a fight of clan politics and such. Maybe a changing of the Warrior code. Or even the clans' systems. Nothing like possession, ghosts, etc. Though that did make things really interesting.
@@petalleaf2808 I'm fully agreeing on this I feel like I want to turn Warriors into this: (If I take over the series which is unlikely)
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This is the final video I have to watch, then I would've watched all of Sunny’s videos for the first time in one day... Christmas Day! Thanks Sunny, for a awesome Christmas
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
@@nenmaster5218 what does that have to do with my comment? I never said a word about the quality of warriors. I just said I watched a lot of UA-cam in one day
@@tinydancerpresents1504 Well, then i guess i was talking in general? Obviously?
@@nenmaster5218 then why reply to a comment instead of just commenting? I'm not against you saying what you said, I just don't understand why you wrote it as a reply to my comment
bro why are people sleeping on your vids. these are great!
i’ve been thinking about this arc and why it doesn’t work for a while now so it’s awesome to watch this video and see that you came to the same conclusions i did. very glad to have my opinion backed by a competent authority!
I'm currently on Outcast and here are my thoughts on arc 3 so far:
First of all, I love Jaypaw. I don't like how everyone treats him like he can't do anything just because he's blind. I felt a huge amount of love and sympathy for him during The Sight. ❤ (Jaypaw is definitely going on my top 5 favourite cat list!)
Next, I'd like to say that it's not very clear what Hollypaw's power is, nor do I know what Lionpaw's power is. But Jaypaw's power is pretty cool! I think it might be mind reading, emotional sympathy and stuff like that. He can also invade dreams which is.... interesting, but really cool.
Lastly, I just want to say that: (in my opinion~) Jaypaw is cool and reasonable, Hollypaw is annoying and nosy and Lionpaw is boring and lovey-dovey (for Heatherpaw).
A note to anyone reading this: Please do NOT spoil the rest of the series for me. I'll find out how it ends myself, once I read the rest of the books.
Ok I actually like omen of the stars a lot more. A because I just love ivy and dove, and B while it isnt the most well paced, it always was my favorite arc, from the B stories to the sister drama to ok side not I actually liked the dark forest in this arc. I personally think pot was worse but maybe that's just me, I'm also the one who only really liked the first two books of pot and hated hollyleafs pov so discount me if you will fandom
The title explains how I feel about The Power of Three. I had hard times reading the season since all of the “Three” chosen cats were dick to their clan mates every 2 seconds and I just went, “Erin Hunter, what motivated you and your team to write such terrible characters?”
Can't wait for the next video!
Guess who just realized Berrynose was eight, EIGHT, when he died
EHAT
The power of three was the first arc I read and I really liked it for the character relations and slice of life elements that you talked about! It was definitely a mess though, and the over arching plot and a lot of the details didn’t make sense.
I just wanna say that something I really find annoying about the Power of Three, and that is how it presents StarClan. StarClan used to mean something special, and having a connection to StarClan by being a medicine cat or a leader used to mean something special. I think it's sort of because the writer just added... to much StarClan. StarClan sent small but frequent prophesies in The prophesies begin, now they just send massive prophesies. Almost all essential character drama is based entirely on StarClan. I like it when cats have exciting adventures on their own. Also, StarClan used to seem very mystic, but now all they are are cats in the sky. Their powers are very inconsistent, and just have completely random limits that keep changing.
I still like it, it's an amazing book.
Bye Sunny!
I had an idea where Hollyleaf's death causes Jayfeather and Lionblaze to doubt their powers and the prophecy. In Omen of the Stars, Lionblaze goes as far as to abandon his powers because they've been troublesome for him, and live out his life as normal warrior, while Jayfeather hopes that Dovewing is the true third and that there is good purpose for their powers existing. This is all because Hollyleaf died without them knowing for sure whether she had power or not, and, if she did, she was likely using it for selfish and dangerous purposes, like Lionblaze had before.
yo i love your art and your voice and the pacing of your videos omg
I NEVER SAW Writers write themselves into the GROUND so hard.
What an amazing Book-Series and what amazingly bad Quality it has.
It literally just continueing on and on and on and on hurts it more than even Ice-Age was hurt by being-milked and that’s a Feat!
I mean, let me in the following list JUST some of the things coming to mind before it all went down the drains with the Zombie-Apocalypse many knew about and no one told Firestar about, leading to his Death by basically ‚Thunder Clan Betrayal’ we had Cliches and Things just endlessly repeating itself.
Firestar is a great Leader, but ‚only’ as much as his broken, broken Culture allows. He’s a ‚relatively’ good Leader as much as he’s restrained: His World literally does not consider things like Trade or Peace-Offerings Moral.
Both Concepts are EVIL-HERESY-OF-EVILNESS.
If both sides have something the other wants and suffers withuot it, the Books present 2 Options ‚War or Peace-in-the-sense-of-suffering-in-Solemn’.
@@nenmaster5218 what
LOL I did not know that Eaglewing existed!!!
Sunnyfall, I'm curious on your opinion on The Broken Code
Actually I have a video coming up in a few weeks about it. One character in particular at least. It should be coming out on January 22nd.
@@Sunnyfall Cool! Can't wait for it!
Really enjoying your videos :D
lionblazes powers are adrenalin rush
Personally I like Power of Three in how it was written, its more so a story I like where its character driven but there is one change I'd make: Lionblaze and Hollyleaf should have been switched though in power shifts. Hollyleaf would have been given stealth based powers and Lionblaze would be powerless and after the Fire scene would have accidentally killed Ashfur and in fear of it spreading and from Tigerstar's influence would have gone to the tunnels and became a sort of good guy parallel to Tigerstar I where he would had his own group in the tunnels that would be a plot point in the end of Book Three of Omen onward. Thats my only change. The parallel with Tigerstar would be because of his training in the Dark Forest.
I love your analysis!
This is a very good analysis!
I have a question: how would you rank all the arcs in Warriors?
I would rank them differently depending on whether I consider true quality or personal favorites but I'll give you the latter.
1. Omen of the Stars
2. Dawn of the Clans
3. The Prophecies Begin
4. Power of Three
5. A Vision of Shadows
6. The New Prophecy
The Broken Code hasn't been completed yet so I don't want to give it a definitive ranking but it's looking like it'll be somewhere between Dawn of the Clans and A Vision of Shadows.
@@Sunnyfall
Mine would be something way different.
6. A Vision of Shadows: it is undoubtedly the worst arc, by a story stand point and a memorability stand point. I can remember anything from this arc and what little I actually do, I hate with every fiber of my being.
5. Omen of the Stars: It’s okay. Compared to Vision of Shadows, it is tons better, but all the StarClan and Datk Forest stuff made very little sense and the overall story was a mess. Also Sign of the Moon is one of my least favorite books because what even happened in it? It was so contrived and stupid that I can’t just forget it. Also barley any new characters either from Dovewing and Ivypool were introduced.
4. The New Prophecy: It was definitely very awesome and I was certainly impressed by it when I first read it, but it is just kinda meh for me. It was very important yet didn’t really do all that much. It got kind of boring in Sunrise and Twilight.
3. The Prophices Begin: I actually like this one quite a bit, and it was the most well flowing together arc of all of them. I don’t really think it was the best, but I still really love it.
2. Dawn of the Clans: I absolutely adore this arc but I just can not stand A Forest Divided. There are so many unnecessary chapters that add up to nothing and so much could have been done in it. The beginning and the end of the book were amazing though, and Thunder Rising is honestly one of the best books in Warriors.
1. The Power of Three: I know you made a whole video about why it’s bad, but I just can’t help but love it. Hollyleaf is one of my favorite characters and I love the amount of depth she is given. I don’t care that much for Jayfeather but he did do more stuff than Lionblaze so I guess he’s got that going for him. I really just like all the character moments and the only meh book was Outcast. I didn’t really see the point of that book. I am currently rereading The Sight and I really love it. It isn’t the most eventful but I really dig how much the characters are delved into and explored. The Sight is really cool for me. Dark River is also cool if I remember. It had a lot of mystery and intrigue. Outcast happened, then it was Eclipse which is Sol’s book! A big part of The Power of Three is actually reestablishing the Warrior Code. The Warrior Code is the most important it has ever been and it is a main focus, even if you don’t think it is. Like Hollyleaf breaking down, Long Shadpws, just everything is amazing. I like this arc way too much then I should.
As for The Broken Code, I really love it so far. I can’t wait to read the last two books and I really do think, based on the first four books, that it could become my favorite or second favorite. This arc could just be so much, and it has already been a lot! There were no boring books so at least it’s better in that regard. I will wait a year to find out if I’m right about this book.
@@Cloverrfrostt The only arcs I really dislike are A Vision of Shadows and The New Prophecy. I find enjoyment in all the others, even when I see minor and even significant flaws in their writing.
@@Sunnyfall
I agree. I would like to know what you dislike the most about The New Prophecy.
@@Cloverrfrostt It's a large array of reasons, some of which I plan to cover in the future, but in general:
What I look for in Warriors arcs are interesting characters growing by going through preferably interesting situations.The New Prophecy's cast was exceedingly dry, and despite having protagonists from all four clans this time only Thunderclan and to an extent Windclan got cats with definable personalities. The issue is especially prevalent since, unlike Power of Three for example, you don't get to spend time with the whole clan and get to know them if you happen to not like the protagonists. The six journeying cats, plus Leafpool and Hawkfrost, are pretty much the cast you get for the series. Brambleclaw's entire character arc is one he already finished in Darkest Hour but he was reverted to maybe trusting his father so we could have him believe Hawkfrost and have a big "will he be evil" plot through to the end of the arc. Then there's the facts that it is the start of Riverclan's decline into irrelevancy, the forming of the tribe as a subservient entity and with it the colonialistic attitude of the clans, and the start of Brambleclaw being deputy and eventual leader, something that I personally consider to not only be a bad ending to his arc and a bad situation with the Starclan sign making his position, but also a bad writing choice that is still harming my view of the series today in The Broken Code.
BrambleClaw after the 100th arc: *Still alive*
“You guys are so easily offended”
Rainflower 2021
I really disliked Power of Three when I read it. I just couldn't like any of the main three, and I still don't, with the exception of post-murder Hollyleaf, because at least she was interesting and had a nice little redemption arc in OotS. I found them all really self-absorbed.
I really like the power of three, I don’t think it failed. But good video
I think you're the first person I have seen say that lmao
Same, I liked Power of Three! I haven't read a few books there for quite a while, but I don't remember feeling bored, frustrated, or disliking the plot/story in the books because they're filler or plain boring. I thought the battle in Eclipse was interesting since all four clans were dragged into it. The part where Lionblaze, Hollyleaf, and Jayfeather helped Flamepaw, Tigerpaw, and Dawnpaw make Blackstar believe ShadowClan was falling as StarClan's presence was really cool. (Why isn't there any art, maps, pmvs about this part in the books? It was really awesome for those six cats to work together to help ShadowClan.)
I can't remember much else as it has been a while, but I did like just reading about the normal days for the three. Clan life. And thinking about the prophecy and what it could mean. They're not going to find out the meaning quickly and everything. StarClan is vague and the thing with the Dark Forest didn't even start till the last arc.
Hey, just wanted to ask if you were aware of the typo on "Eclipse" at 10:17.
Ah I wasn't! Thank you for pointing it out.
Lesson Learned: If you have a good idea for a scene, make sure you have a good idea for a story, especially if it's going to be a whole series.
OK...am I the only one who likes the quest books? I'm just saying it's not as bad as people say. Though the only character who I think wasn't necessary is Sol. The time travel bit was actually because it answered a lot of questions; why is that stick important? Where the clans from the Lake first or the mountains? What happened to those cats who didn't belong to starclan, tribe of endless hunting, or the dark Forest?
Tbh i feel like im the only person who likes outcast i just found it fun and i always loved the tribe a d traveling books
The arc was SO confusing at first (i didnt have access to the super edition for any help either)
I loved the Power of Three! Jayfeather...
10:18 Elipse.
I'll start by saying it takes me about 2-3 days to read a book, well this series was the most confusing 18 days of my life.
Probably a very unpopular opinion/hot take,
But I actually like it when they travel in the Warriors books, it takes us out of the constant loop of repetitive clan life in my honest opinion
I think that's why besides The Darkest Hour, the first 3 books of the second arc were my favorite (probably another unpopular opinion)
I got through rereading this arc a few weeks ago, and I'm ngl it really just felt so pointless. The Sight felt like a decent start to each character, not great, but decent. Dark River had a decent budding romance for Lionpaw and a little bit of intrigue with his Dark Forest training, almost nothing else happens except Jaypaw marrying a stick. Outcast is literally pointless, I really felt like it could have just been a single manga focusing on Stormfur and Brook similar to The Rise of Scourge. Eclipse had a cool scene with well...the Eclipse and Sol fucking up Shadowclan at the end, but overall just felt like fluff otherwise. Long Shadows was easily the best book, showing off Sol and of course, the iconic fire scene. It really seemed to build Ashfur up as a really cool villain....only to immediately kill him off without even writing a scene about it until near the end of Sunrise. Sunrise is just a really obvious game of Clue of "Who killed Ashfur?" and Sol's defeat was so underwhelming. When I read how Sol just ominously stared at Hollyleaf as the three walked away from him, I literally just said out loud "That's it? That's all we get?" Hawkfrost's battle with Brambleclaw in TNP was really short, but it kind of felt poetic with how Hawkfrost was just a more lawful Tigerstar and his ambition basically being his own downfall. Scourge had a massive epic battle with the four clans and Firestar. Sol....just stares at Hollyleaf. That's it. just staring. I was half expecting him to have brainwashed a rag tag of rogues and have them fight the three, showcasing his charisma and manipulation. No, we just get STARING. It was a massive letdown. Really, reading this arc just made me feel like they didn't know what to do with the arc after Dark River and decided to kick the can down the road until Omen of the Stars.
Really late but the power of three should have been about bringing skyclan to the lake
please make a video about how ashfur is sexy next
the ending lol
site is acctulay spelled sight
Power of three was confusing
I just realized something, Lionpaw got wounds even though he has a super power… O.o
Hollyleaf should have had a power of persuasion or something
The power of three and into the wild gotta be some of my favorite arcs just because of how great the characters are😭❤
Other than lionblaze he’s boring as crap
Into the Wild is not an arc, it's a book.
I personally liked PoT
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Power of Three isn’t a bad arc and it didn’t fail, I quite enjoyed it a lot especially at the time
It’s not too slow and doesn’t have a lack of direction, we simply see multiple perspectives
It’s more of a character story at times, the plot still progresses and we see the main story continue in omen of the stars as well.
You say it failed as if it’s a fact and not an opinion, in which case it’s not.
To say it’s bad is ignoring the good parts of it.
Even with some potential flaws it still has a lot to like about it.
And again isn’t a bad arcs and did not fail.
I believe Power Of Three was a rather boring and very confusing arc. I could barely remember what happened because so many things were happening at once. They did well with multiple perspectives in the first books but then it just got so confusing. I did not think Lionblaze or Hollyleaf was very interesting until she killed someone, and only Jayfeather had something to do with the entire arc. And I don’t believe she’s saying it like it’s fact, it’s more so how she believes it failed. Other Warrior books handled different perspectives way better than the power of three, in my opinion. And I feel like the Power Of Three didn’t have a main plot going until it was revealed they weren’t Squirrelflight’s kits, for it seemed like each book had a different plot not tying with their powers.
*runs to read fancfiction giant*
i personally loved power of three, but omen of the stars ruined it
I hate how arrogant and ignorant they are
I still think the Power of Three was my favorite series. It might be an unpopular opinion but still.
Still liked them
Power of three< literally ANYTHING else in the series (yes I think PoT is the worst arc)