i have always liked this scene, at the beginning the kids wanted to go to war and thought their father was weak and old, after this they knew that what he said about the horrors of the war were true and that he was in fact an effective and ruthless killer, the scene when the three of them are watching him slaugther that redcoat is amazing
I remember looking around and seeing parts of the audience a gasp, and then I was reminded at how insulated most people are from reality. Shit happens in war, and it brings out parts of us that people don't want to accept.
@pputnam100 I absolutely imagine I would have. My dad probably would have even brought me because it's "historical." Just want the kind of movie that was on my radar as a 10 year old
Well, the problem with that movies is that it is almost totally based on fake story and events that never happend. Watch historians addressing Patriot. It is like American propaganda against Brits as if it movie made 20-50 years after that war and there is still bad blood between those countries. But as a movie and those scenes by Mel, it is fun to watch.
@@rickskellig4652 those all guys were English colonists… it is not like India or such country. As I said look for historical sources not Mel Gibson screenplay…
@@ArisPLteles the bottom line is that England was in no mood to fight a lengthy war with American colonists --- they knew the colonists would win because it was their homeland, and King George realized that trading goods with America in the future was gonna make him far richer than just taxing the colonists
@@JoeZaccarisI'm neither english nor american so I don't know the history in full detail. I think this film had a scene where british general cornwallis tells colonel tavington (the villain of the film) that americans are their brothers and they will trade with them when the war is over, which is consistent with what you say about the king getting richer through trading with america than through taxing it. But was trading really restored immediately? Because i guess just after signing the peace no side would want anything with the other, right?
Even Mel Gibson's character lost his wife and two sons in the space of a couple years in this movie. And real life was even more brutal. Appreciate what you have.
Yes. Today I saw what my surrogate brother was hiding from me for months, why he never invited me into their office on Gellert- his father, my beloved Uncle Ed thin, sickly and with a cane. And after all I've already lost since 2014 I was like crying and freaking out on the way home. " He's not going anywhere! I won't allow it! " Cherish every moment you have with the people you love.
Over half of your fifteen children would be dead with one or two permanently maimed. Either adult surviving past 35 was miraculous. Just so many ways to die, and even in the east where there were hospitals and general infrastructure, medical knowledge and tech was in its infancy.
@@Klaaism Not really. If you made it to 15, you would probably see 55 or even 60. It was that child mortality rate combined with poxes and disease that shortened and ended lives. A good chunk of you kids would die but that would mostly be when they were under 2
If you have ever been in battle and truly believe your life is about to be ended, your mind slows things down and they do go in slow motion. The thing is you are moving in slow motion as well, preparing to die.
you also have to remember that a lot of the people who fought in the militia were veterans of the Indian wars and were experts in guerrilla warfare such as this and the big battles like in the last part of this video did end up in close combat like that you were already in close range with the muskets and things got very brutal up close like in the end part
When I was watching this movie in theaters i was about the same age as the kids nathan and his bother. It blew me away becuase my dad had a fight with a man who broke into our house and it had the same brutal sounds as this fight had with my father fighting the intrude. So this movie really touched me as a kid because i was just a child while I was forced into a situation where it was life or death and my father was the leader of the entire situation. Then this movie came out and i was reminded of all of it... Best movie ever.
@@NickB5882 Yez. Even a bunny rabbit can fight off a snake when her babies are threatened. There's a video on UA-cam showing a mother bunny fighting one off successfully. (She grabbed it and kicked it multiple times until it limped away.)
I have to remind myself "aim small, miss small" at the range when my focus starts to fade and my aim starts to drift. It refocuses me right back in on that point of aim, rather than at the target as a whole. It seems so simple, yet is so effective.
It’s even more useful for hunting or shooting other living things. With a live target you don’t have a nice little bullseye to aim at. I was always taught you don’t aim at the animal or even the vitals. You pick a single hair if you can or a small tuff of fur
I taught my son this by age 6. We started with Nerf and bb guns. Now, a teenager he still knows the rule when shooting other guns. One of the best techniques taken from a movie.
Peter Woodward, a Brit's Brit (The son of Edward) appears in this movie as Cornwallis' Second in Command. He is also a master stunt coordinator and fight coordinator, who did tremendous work with axes and knives in several History Channel productions on Ancient warfare. I always wondered if he was fight and stunt coordinator for this film. Whoever did the coordination in this movie was phenomonal, and Gibson's work is excellent.
He's also the son of the great Edward Woodward who played the original Equalizer with excellent acting and saperb believability and also played the Ghost of Christmas Present in version of A Christmas Carol!!!!! Peter also played a part in Babylon Five and Crusade in a wonderful part but I done forgot the name of the role!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually Cornwallis is portrayed as a genius of strategy, which he actually was. It also mirrors tactics used in an actual battle by Nathinel Greene, who adapted them from a local militia commander. Greene did outwit the British, he was also one of America's best generals of all time, and he only won a few of his battles, but they were all the ones at the end of his campaign!
I loathe and despise creatures like Cornwallis- at least in the movie. He knew Tavington was a sadistic psycho, one word from him- and the loser would have been sent back to England in disgrace- and yet he does nothing! Cornwallis is the true monster.
That was because of the French coming in and training the American commanders. Including Washington. Most of them were unskilled and had no idea how to strategize as they only went to military schools and had no practical experience save for fighting the way of the British. The French understood guerilla warfare and taught them to use the British arrogance against them. Since the British were unwilling to change their strategies until it was too late it was easy to learn to take advantage of those weaknesses as the war went on.
The person most responsible for training the Colonial Army regulars was Baron Von Steuben, from Prussia. And the Colonial Militia was already skilled in guerrilla warfare from the previous French and Indian War. In a way I guess they did learn that from the French, but as subject matter, not as instructors.
It varied between the colonies. Majority of popular histories tend to focus on Washington who campaigned in the north. The movie follows the more southern fighting, in particular the Swamp Fox.
Sarcasm? This is a horribly inaccurate historically, and ole Mel has had to leave the public eye for his bigoted views and domestic abuse… proud of irresponsible filmmakers inventing British war crimes to make them more sinister?
Good old Mel, he's done arguably, the best and most realistic fighting scenes, produced in the West, in his movies, and with the Passion of our Lord , Jesus Christ and Apocalypto, 2 of the most influential and iconical films in movie history. I love his work and straight fulness.
Most guns were, like the ones used in the infantry front lines, but these were specialized hunting muskets, they were SCARY accurate back then. And too expensive for mass production.
Infantry front lines were primarily smoothbore brown bess muskets. It was the frontiersmen / hunters who prized the rifled barrel "Kentucky" (actually Pennsylvania rifles) which were ultra accurate. Made by gunmakers in and around Lancaster, PA, among such fantastic rifle makers were Christopher Gist, also George Washington's guide to come to NW Pennsylvania to parlay with the French, leading up to the French and Indian War
yeah Assassins Creed 3 definitely took some inspiration from this movie. Connor even wields a tomahawk in one hand and a reverse grip knife in the other just like this. the battle field scene in this is also very similar in style to one of the AC3 trailers. Freaking AWESOME!!!
@@erikspencer2396 Yeah that's right! I think they even took one of the tomahawk finishing moves from that film. The one where he rolls behind the enemy. I think the character in the movie was using a different weapon though (gunstock warclub?). It's been years since I've seen that
@@yourgodsisspeakingtoyouher4284 the ones in their hands. Rifled guns have been around since the early 1600s, but due to the technology of the day were expensive to produce, only wealthy landowners could afford them.
Will you stop? Obviously ( thankfully ) you never had " them " butcher the people you love. Cherish it- don't make fun of us who live on rage and revenge. It's common darling. Besides- are you sure Lizzy was the killer?
I would hope that my father avenged my death like Mel does so wonderfully in this scene. These wild, violent, horrific actions still scream of loyalty, passion, love, etc. You have to be in a lot of pain and misery to be able to take on such odds in the first place. Mel is a great actor. I don't care about his personal life. It's not my life. It's not my concern. What matters is how he has effected me in front of the camera. And, this scene proves why he won't be forgotten any time soon.
But, Luke, it's not gonna bring you back! Killing your murderer will do bubkes to stop his agony. Say your father is still relatively young and he opens a business. His huge achievement is gonna feel hollow because only one thought would be going through his mind as he's cracking jokes and taking selfies with his investors- " Luke is not here! " No, my dearest- revenge is a huge waste of your energy and your time.
I watched this movie in my history class, it was really great and I realized Trevor Morgan was there and I realized the music was played by John Williams and I finally got into this movie while I'm into The 1990 film of Lord of the flies that I watched in my english class after we read the book and took the test.
I think in the production of Assassins Creed 3. They used the combat system of that guy using the tomahawk as the main weapon in AC3. And some of the guys ways of thinking was similar to Connor as an Assassin. Mel Gibson sort of does an Assassin but is a loyaltist like Samuel Adams, I think some of it was used in this movie to explain the way of fighting, character.
at the distance they are fighting at, you could load the rifles as muskets and still achieve high accuracy. our ancestors used these weapons as tools to feed their families and fight off anyone that meant to do them harm. In a time where powder and shot were at an extreme shortage, every shot counted, so learning to shoot had to become second nature and you had to hit what you were aiming at. so even though the rifles in this first scene may not have been "patched loaded" after the first shot, because of the ball being basically the same diameter of the bore, it left little wiggle room unlike the .649 ball fired out of a .72 or .75 caliber musket, that's a lot of wiggle room. I have attempted what they did in that scene at stationary targets. First test was a controlled test, that is to say i had 5 rifles of the same caliber, .45 set up at different points, shooting at stationary targets. the loads were all patched loads on the first rounds, shooting at approximately 20 yards, which may be more than what this first scene was, as it appears they were within maybe 15 or even 10 yards. I fired at the first five, aiming at center mass, i hit 5 targets center mass. then i reloaded each rifle a patched round and proceeded to take out the other 5 targets just as i had done the first 5, all center mass hits. This all took around 13 minutes to complete. The second test, i didn't clean the barrels (as was done in the film) and i tested my hypothesis that i could get more shots off quicker doing non-patched ball loads as it appears they did it in the film. I did the same course, same distance, but completed the course in about 6 minutes. those 6 minutes went by incredibly quickly, and i achieved about the same accuracy, the last 3 shots were pulled and were high in the shoulder, but still 7 out of 10 kills on the second test going almost half the time for someone who is a modern day shooter is not bad. Im sure if i had the practice that our ancestors did, i would've got 9 or possibly 10 kills. See this, see what i did, i made a post on youtube about this movie that didn't start a fight over which army in the world was better at the time.
BTW, Mel's character is based on a combination of 5 historical figures. So, many of the events seen in this movie are historical facts. Just not done by 1 person. They did this to make it more action packed.
In spite of some historical inaccuracies (some of which, to be fair are for dramatic license), The Patriot is a very well done and entertaining film (i know the church scene was bad and should've been changed). The great Thomas Wilkinson who played General Cornwallis in tge film just passed away, sadly.
Love him and gonna miss him so much! His Cornwallis is the movie's real villain. He knew what Tavington was but chose to use his " services " anyway. Like we and the Brits are doing in Ukraine.
With massive French assistance and Britain at war with the Dutch and Spanish at the same time. The colonials also saw themselves as British at the beginning, they just didn't want to pay a tax without representation. The taxes had been cut back to one, and had been instituted to help pay for the costs of the French and Indian War, which had been fought partly on behalf of the colonials.
Any GOOD FATHER would do exactly what Mel does in this entire scene. You do not just let an oppressive government do whatever the hell they please to your family, while justifying it as law-enforcement. I mean, your family should always come first, before your loyalty to any government. That's my opinion. This was a fucking wonderful and powerful scene, and Mel totally delivered. I mean, you can see how much pain his character is in, that this band of asshole British men forced him to do these horrible things, while taking the life of one son and threatening the life of another. It's NOT racist. It's hatred against the act. It's hatred toward the criminals, committing these atrocities.
Jun A. And I'm not arguing with that. Citizens of the USA aren't allowed to vote on whether or not we go to war. I didn't approve of Bush's horrible or fake "War on Terror." If I was an Afghan father and I saw my son cut down by an American soldier, I'd be pissed beyond belief.
***** Soldiers commit suicide because they come back from combat having seen their friends get limbs blown off, their wives cheat on them, take their money and leave. So they believe they have nothing left to lose. We all know its a war not worth fighting, but you have to follow orders and deploy when you're told to.
Love how serious this scene is but when Gibson pauses then says “I want you to start with the officers and work your way down” to me it seems you could put a laugh track in there. 😂😅
The tactics he used were more-or-less sound: hit from surprise, take out the two officers first, with no one to give orders and no idea how many people they're facing the troops fall back to their conventional training, clump together and fire en-masse, good tactic in open field, not so good in the forest, while Martin hits and moves, using the forest to full advantage, and his sons snipe from height and cover. It could work.
When you finally see who your parents are-Gabriel thought his father was a coward. He thought his father was a pacifist because of that, that he wasn’t willing to fight at all. He found out Ben Martin didn’t want to fight because he didn’t want to be the man he was, a ruthlessly efficient killer who in a dark part of himself liked to be that. He had seen the horrors of war, the blood and death that came with it-he knew firsthand what that did to someone. And he was willing to let his sons believe he was scared rather than show them a side of him he wanted to keep dead and buried. Here, Martin’s sons at last see their father as he was, as men spoke of him-a killer.
Correcting misconceptions: Not all British forces wore red. Legionnaires like Tarleton and Cathcart, in addition to Simcoe's Rangers, wore green uniforms (as did the Jaegers?), though they were prone to wear. The majority of the war did not concern guerrilla tactics-- South Carolina, esp in 1780, was more the exception than the rule. Bayonets weren't rare ornaments that British forces weren't expected to use. Marion was not a pure hero, neither was Tarleton a pure villain, etc etc.
I would've laughed so hard if at 6:49 the tomahawk would kill another person on the way off. Then Mel Gibson and the guy he was fighting would just stop and look at each other for a brief moment in awkwardness with the epic music stopped, then continue fighting. Hahaha.
Everyone has their issues. Its just unfortunate that Mr. Gibson's had to be put out there for everyone to see and judge. I still think hes an amazing person. His movies and his acting are some of the best ever.
One of the best examples why the Constitution was written the way it was and why the 1st & 2nd Amendment were written into it in case the Government decides to immorally oppress it's citizens.
Professional soldiers of that day would not cower in a huddle and try to hold a formation intended for larger units in field battles while firing blindly at targets they cannot see, taking the time to reload and look confused at the concept of taking cover in a forest. Its my understanding that in those times the British would simply fix bayonets and run down the ill trained militia while they reloaded their longer hunting style rifles. Ambushes and cover based fighting tactics in those days were not particularly effective, their role in the success of the revolution has been vastly overstated.
They were convinced they were surrounded and how do you fix bayonets and run up a slope to an enemy with better cover. They were confused because they are trained to fight by command, which the officers were shot first and therefore had no orders to carry out.
If that was true, then the Loyalist forces under British command at the battle of Kings Mountain would have escaped their encirclement, instead of suffering a massive defeat.
This was loosely based on Francis Marion the Swamp Fox. He fought the British throughout the swamps of South Carolina. That's why so much stuff is named for him down there.
They were stuck fighting an enemy that had superior position and were fighting with the sun directly in their eyes, which was why martin picked that spot for the ambush. They also had no idea how many people they were fighting. Charging uphill is a foolish decision in that instance. Between traps and the possibility of the guerrillas hiding their strength until that charge, then having them all open fire simultaneously while the british charged. Also, ambushes were effective. Nathanael Greene used guerrilla war tactics in his campaign and very successfully broke british control in the southern theater.
This is a good movie. It's sad that we had to fight our closes Ally. But now we help each other American and England fight along side in other wars 🇺🇲🇬🇧
I remember back when i was in bootcamp for the Marines they let us watch this movie on Christmas and it was one of the only times we were allowed to cheer and show emotion before we earned our EGA and officially given the title of Marine.
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i have always liked this scene, at the beginning the kids wanted to go to war and thought their father was weak and old, after this they knew that what he said about the horrors of the war were true and that he was in fact an effective and ruthless killer, the scene when the three of them are watching him slaugther that redcoat is amazing
Top 3 of scenes for sure. Only to be bested by The passion
A strong man exhausts every option before resorting to violence.
@@flyinUtah That's....not accurate.
I'm getting an assassin's Creed vibe.
Watch this kids! See how the bros brains cm out fuck yeeeh! Wooooooooo!
Historical details aside, the tomahawk is an awesome weapon.
Comes as a pair, original version was longer as dueling weapons made by a European blacksmith mid 1500's.
Still is. Can buy tactical tomahawks even today. One dude was even making and shipping them off to active soldiers.
@@KlaaismThey are AWESOME!!!!
Lethal in competent hands.
Even the Pre-Contact ones that were was clubs with stones.
This scene in the theatre absolutely blew my mind, so freakin righteous and mindboggling.
I remember looking around and seeing parts of the audience a gasp, and then I was reminded at how insulated most people are from reality. Shit happens in war, and it brings out parts of us that people don't want to accept.
God I wish I could have seen this in theatre's but I was 10 at the time
@@jasondamrau9943 Doesn't matter, you would have been totally into it and getting it at 10 years old or 80...
@pputnam100 I absolutely imagine I would have. My dad probably would have even brought me because it's "historical." Just want the kind of movie that was on my radar as a 10 year old
As a 36 year old man there's few things that will move me to tear up. This brilliant portrayal of the noblest motivations of a man brings me there.
Well, the problem with that movies is that it is almost totally based on fake story and events that never happend. Watch historians addressing Patriot. It is like American propaganda against Brits as if it movie made 20-50 years after that war and there is still bad blood between those countries.
But as a movie and those scenes by Mel, it is fun to watch.
@@ArisPLtelesWow, really? Were the Brits actually the good guys in all the countless countries and peoples they invaded and/or viciously oppressed?
@@rickskellig4652 those all guys were English colonists… it is not like India or such country. As I said look for historical sources not Mel Gibson screenplay…
@@ArisPLteles the bottom line is that England was in no mood to fight a lengthy war with American colonists --- they knew the colonists would win because it was their homeland, and King George realized that trading goods with America in the future was gonna make him far richer than just taxing the colonists
@@JoeZaccarisI'm neither english nor american so I don't know the history in full detail. I think this film had a scene where british general cornwallis tells colonel tavington (the villain of the film) that americans are their brothers and they will trade with them when the war is over, which is consistent with what you say about the king getting richer through trading with america than through taxing it. But was trading really restored immediately? Because i guess just after signing the peace no side would want anything with the other, right?
Even Mel Gibson's character lost his wife and two sons in the space of a couple years in this movie. And real life was even more brutal. Appreciate what you have.
Yes. Today I saw what my surrogate brother was hiding from me for months, why he never invited me into their office on Gellert- his father, my beloved Uncle Ed thin, sickly and with a cane. And after all I've already lost since 2014 I was like crying and freaking out on the way home. " He's not going anywhere! I won't allow it! " Cherish every moment you have with the people you love.
Over half of your fifteen children would be dead with one or two permanently maimed. Either adult surviving past 35 was miraculous. Just so many ways to die, and even in the east where there were hospitals and general infrastructure, medical knowledge and tech was in its infancy.
@@Klaaism Not really. If you made it to 15, you would probably see 55 or even 60. It was that child mortality rate combined with poxes and disease that shortened and ended lives.
A good chunk of you kids would die but that would mostly be when they were under 2
Very good point.Could not agree more
Mom- killed 2014. Daddy- 2016. Most of my true friends are dead. But that's the price you pay for openly challenging the Blake Association.
its amazing that when you have a personal vendetta with someone in the middle of a battle that everybody else is nice enough to fight in slowmotion
That's 💯% respect that's why they do it lmfao
Right? America was was pushing Britain back for half a mile ahead of them but were nice enough to leave Mel to his very standout red coat.
@@mistermonologue2442 Britain. Another word for decency. Right?
@@singingbowels If you're referring to the common people yes.
If you have ever been in battle and truly believe your life is about to be ended, your mind slows things down and they do go in slow motion. The thing is you are moving in slow motion as well, preparing to die.
Jason Isaac was so good in this film, he truly brought that character to life!!
He's great in everything he does.
You should see him in the early Star Trek Discovery as Captain Gabriel Lorca. He's a hell of a Captain on USS Discovery with an equally cool twist.
you also have to remember that a lot of the people who fought in the militia were veterans of the Indian wars and were experts in guerrilla warfare such as this and the big battles like in the last part of this video did end up in close combat like that you were already in close range with the muskets and things got very brutal up close like in the end part
Run on sentence makes me thick !
Yeah a lot of weiner touching
And yet the US ditched guerrilla warfare tactics, which is why they lost both the Cuban Missile Crises and the Vietnam War.
They actually didn't use guerilla war tactics until they fought the natives. They developed it from them.
@@tylerpuszczewicz2535 they lost the cuban missle crisis lol
When I was watching this movie in theaters i was about the same age as the kids nathan and his bother. It blew me away becuase my dad had a fight with a man who broke into our house and it had the same brutal sounds as this fight had with my father fighting the intrude. So this movie really touched me as a kid because i was just a child while I was forced into a situation where it was life or death and my father was the leader of the entire situation. Then this movie came out and i was reminded of all of it... Best movie ever.
Harm someone’s child and there really is no escaping the wrath of a grieving, heartbroken , and angry parent.
@@NickB5882 Yez. Even a bunny rabbit can fight off a snake when her babies are threatened. There's a video on UA-cam showing a mother bunny fighting one off successfully. (She grabbed it and kicked it multiple times until it limped away.)
I have to remind myself "aim small, miss small" at the range when my focus starts to fade and my aim starts to drift. It refocuses me right back in on that point of aim, rather than at the target as a whole. It seems so simple, yet is so effective.
The best ever aiming advice!
It’s even more useful for hunting or shooting other living things. With a live target you don’t have a nice little bullseye to aim at. I was always taught you don’t aim at the animal or even the vitals. You pick a single hair if you can or a small tuff of fur
Fading focus. Now that’s something I’d say is my signal to call it a day.
Yeah right “Aim Small, Miss Small” actually works!
I taught my son this by age 6. We started with Nerf and bb guns. Now, a teenager he still knows the rule when shooting other guns. One of the best techniques taken from a movie.
Peter Woodward, a Brit's Brit (The son of Edward) appears in this movie as Cornwallis' Second in Command. He is also a master stunt coordinator and fight coordinator, who did tremendous work with axes and knives in several History Channel productions on Ancient warfare. I always wondered if he was fight and stunt coordinator for this film. Whoever did the coordination in this movie was phenomonal, and Gibson's work is excellent.
He's also the son of the great Edward Woodward who played the original Equalizer with excellent acting and saperb believability and also played the Ghost of Christmas Present in version of A Christmas Carol!!!!! Peter also played a part in Babylon Five and Crusade in a wonderful part but I done forgot the name of the role!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His saddened face urging surrender at Yorktown was perfectly done.
Actually Cornwallis is portrayed as a genius of strategy, which he actually was. It also mirrors tactics used in an actual battle by Nathinel Greene, who adapted them from a local militia commander. Greene did outwit the British, he was also one of America's best generals of all time, and he only won a few of his battles, but they were all the ones at the end of his campaign!
I loathe and despise creatures like Cornwallis- at least in the movie. He knew Tavington was a sadistic psycho, one word from him- and the loser would have been sent back to England in disgrace- and yet he does nothing! Cornwallis is the true monster.
That was because of the French coming in and training the American commanders. Including Washington. Most of them were unskilled and had no idea how to strategize as they only went to military schools and had no practical experience save for fighting the way of the British. The French understood guerilla warfare and taught them to use the British arrogance against them. Since the British were unwilling to change their strategies until it was too late it was easy to learn to take advantage of those weaknesses as the war went on.
The person most responsible for training the Colonial Army regulars was Baron Von Steuben, from Prussia. And the Colonial Militia was already skilled in guerrilla warfare from the previous French and Indian War. In a way I guess they did learn that from the French, but as subject matter, not as instructors.
It varied between the colonies. Majority of popular histories tend to focus on Washington who campaigned in the north. The movie follows the more southern fighting, in particular the Swamp Fox.
@@SophiaAphroditethe French came and organized us. We learned guerrilla warfare early on from the natives. 😂
Thanks for the great uplifting movie, Mel......A morality tale right here....
for all the drama that surrounds mel gibson's personal life.. he still is a fantastic actor
It’s just amazing what a great actor and how many great movies Mel Gibson has been in
Thanks so much for the added gem of the ending in the same clip!
I’m British and I love this movie, I also have great respect for Mel Gibson as a person with values . He shows history as it was.
Was the burning of the church not bad history
I'll assume you are being ironic, since this movie is highly inaccurate...
Sarcasm? This is a horribly inaccurate historically, and ole Mel has had to leave the public eye for his bigoted views and domestic abuse… proud of irresponsible filmmakers inventing British war crimes to make them more sinister?
I'm British but have always been very inspired by the courage of the American Revolutionaries
This scene is both brutal and iconic and a big part of my childhood.
Did you really fight with a tomahawk in your childhood? :)
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars No I just remembered seeing this movie as a kid in school.
@@damianstarks3338 OK! I'm happy about that! :) Greetings from Poland!
@@GreatPolishWingedHussars Greetings from Washington DC !
Those damn war hawks are brutal. Some carried them in Iraq because the opposing side feared a bladed weapon over a firearm.
Good old Mel, he's done arguably, the best and most realistic fighting scenes, produced in the West, in his movies, and with the Passion of our Lord , Jesus Christ and Apocalypto, 2 of the most influential and iconical films in movie history. I love his work and straight fulness.
Apocalypto was great
Sometimes people just want to be pleased and not apologize for it.
Don't forget hacksaw ridge
I haven't seen Apocalypto, but know what it is and had no clue it was a Mel movie
Payback best film of mels
Most guns were, like the ones used in the infantry front lines, but these were specialized hunting muskets, they were SCARY accurate back then. And too expensive for mass production.
Infantry front lines were primarily smoothbore brown bess muskets. It was the frontiersmen / hunters who prized the rifled barrel "Kentucky" (actually Pennsylvania rifles) which were ultra accurate. Made by gunmakers in and around Lancaster, PA, among such fantastic rifle makers were Christopher Gist, also George Washington's guide to come to NW Pennsylvania to parlay with the French, leading up to the French and Indian War
It'd a shame the Kentucky long rifle is no longer made its a real piece of americana
@@justinthebeau2590 I’m pretty sure there’s a gunsmith or two that make them. Black Powder hunting is still a thing in the US.
@@gawainethefirst I've looked however they haven't been made since 1905 because that was the latest 1 I could find
You can’t find a KY long rifle because they haven’t been made since 1905???
yeah Assassins Creed 3 definitely took some inspiration from this movie. Connor even wields a tomahawk in one hand and a reverse grip knife in the other just like this.
the battle field scene in this is also very similar in style to one of the AC3 trailers.
Freaking AWESOME!!!
Awesome trailer with the battle.
This is just some…if you reallly wanna see where their inspiration came from…watch Last of the Mochicans…
Wes Studi is effin Phenominal in that…
@@erikspencer2396 Yeah that's right! I think they even took one of the tomahawk finishing moves from that film. The one where he rolls behind the enemy. I think the character in the movie was using a different weapon though (gunstock warclub?). It's been years since I've seen that
This Braveheart and We Were Soldiers are probably in the top 10 war movies
I love the tomahawk scenes the choreography is so well crafted
Gibson and his children didn't have muskets, they had hunting rifles. Gibson was a wealthy landowner and could afford the quality gear.
They had skill
Of what
hunting rifles are you speaking?
Sound of Freedom. Let's watch the movie
@@yourgodsisspeakingtoyouher4284 the ones in their hands. Rifled guns have been around since the early 1600s, but due to the technology of the day were expensive to produce, only wealthy landowners could afford them.
What ever they were they look scary and therefore should be restricted to 10 rounds per bullet😂
Capt. Martin had an axe. He gave a soldier 40 whacks. But when he saw what he had done, he gave the last one 41......thousand.
Will you stop? Obviously ( thankfully ) you never had " them " butcher the people you love. Cherish it- don't make fun of us who live on rage and revenge. It's common darling. Besides- are you sure Lizzy was the killer?
The enraged anger in Mel's face how he turns red and just full of anger is what makes you feel the heat of these scenes
I would hope that my father avenged my death like Mel does so wonderfully in this scene. These wild, violent, horrific actions still scream of loyalty, passion, love, etc. You have to be in a lot of pain and misery to be able to take on such odds in the first place.
Mel is a great actor. I don't care about his personal life. It's not my life. It's not my concern. What matters is how he has effected me in front of the camera. And, this scene proves why he won't be forgotten any time soon.
But, Luke, it's not gonna bring you back! Killing your murderer will do bubkes to stop his agony. Say your father is still relatively young and he opens a business. His huge achievement is gonna feel hollow because only one thought would be going through his mind as he's cracking jokes and taking selfies with his investors- " Luke is not here! " No, my dearest- revenge is a huge waste of your energy and your time.
@LukeLovesRose You absolutly right 👏👏👏
He didn’t go after the Redcoats for vengeance. He was trying to rescue his captured son.
@@brendanflynn5004yeah but the last one he kills when he was trying to run, and the way he repeatedly stabs him, now that was just vengeance
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
Thankfully two guys in my Dad’s 5th Army Air Corps took out Yamamoto in their brand new P-38 Lightnings and helped shorten the War !!!
the whole time i'm watching im slowly starting to realize what inspired the tomahawk and dagger fighting done by conner in assassins creed 3!
13 years later and I'm still watching it!
Mel Gibson and his kids were using Kentucky Rifles, which were rifled muskets. Far more accurate than the Brown Bess muskets used by the Red Coats.
I watched this movie in my history class, it was really great and I realized Trevor Morgan was there and I realized the music was played by John Williams and I finally got into this movie while I'm into The 1990 film of Lord of the flies that I watched in my english class after we read the book and took the test.
Both in Braveheart and in this. What Mel Gibson has taught is that if the enemy is charging at you on horseback, kneel down and aim for the horse.
I think in the production of Assassins Creed 3. They used the combat system of that guy using the tomahawk as the main weapon in AC3. And some of the guys ways of thinking was similar to Connor as an Assassin. Mel Gibson sort of does an Assassin but is a loyaltist like Samuel Adams, I think some of it was used in this movie to explain the way of fighting, character.
thanks for this video
I wonder if this was any kind of inspiration for Assassin's Creed III
For Assassin's Creed, they should make one about the War of 1812.
Richard Burton
Next one seems to be the French Revolution tho...War of 1812 isn't...that well known all things considered.
I think so cuz there are similarities
at the distance they are fighting at, you could load the rifles as muskets and still achieve high accuracy. our ancestors used these weapons as tools to feed their families and fight off anyone that meant to do them harm. In a time where powder and shot were at an extreme shortage, every shot counted, so learning to shoot had to become second nature and you had to hit what you were aiming at. so even though the rifles in this first scene may not have been "patched loaded" after the first shot, because of the ball being basically the same diameter of the bore, it left little wiggle room unlike the .649 ball fired out of a .72 or .75 caliber musket, that's a lot of wiggle room. I have attempted what they did in that scene at stationary targets. First test was a controlled test, that is to say i had 5 rifles of the same caliber, .45 set up at different points, shooting at stationary targets. the loads were all patched loads on the first rounds, shooting at approximately 20 yards, which may be more than what this first scene was, as it appears they were within maybe 15 or even 10 yards. I fired at the first five, aiming at center mass, i hit 5 targets center mass. then i reloaded each rifle a patched round and proceeded to take out the other 5 targets just as i had done the first 5, all center mass hits. This all took around 13 minutes to complete. The second test, i didn't clean the barrels (as was done in the film) and i tested my hypothesis that i could get more shots off quicker doing non-patched ball loads as it appears they did it in the film. I did the same course, same distance, but completed the course in about 6 minutes. those 6 minutes went by incredibly quickly, and i achieved about the same accuracy, the last 3 shots were pulled and were high in the shoulder, but still 7 out of 10 kills on the second test going almost half the time for someone who is a modern day shooter is not bad. Im sure if i had the practice that our ancestors did, i would've got 9 or possibly 10 kills. See this, see what i did, i made a post on youtube about this movie that didn't start a fight over which army in the world was better at the time.
Nice controlled research, Sir.
Our society need urgently to restaure the male soul by educating boys like this accomplished father did. May God help us !
After what I saw on the bus a couple of days ago- too late.
BTW, Mel's character is based on a combination of 5 historical figures. So, many of the events seen in this movie are historical facts. Just not done by 1 person. They did this to make it more action packed.
Who are they?
Man, Martin even holds his weapons in the same hands that Connor does :)
Thanks dude.
Best. Scene. Ever! I love this movie!
“Aim Small, Miss Small” actually works!
Yeah- I use it when I prep for my poetry and art competitions.
@@tatianalyulkin410 OK! Also a method to calm your nerves in other situations!
actually these flintlocks have rifling in them but the ammunition is like a small cannonball so the accuracy improved a bit
What a great video and movie.
In spite of some historical inaccuracies (some of which, to be fair are for dramatic license), The Patriot is a very well done and entertaining film (i know the church scene was bad and should've been changed). The great Thomas Wilkinson who played General Cornwallis in tge film just passed away, sadly.
Love him and gonna miss him so much! His Cornwallis is the movie's real villain. He knew what Tavington was but chose to use his " services " anyway. Like we and the Brits are doing in Ukraine.
With massive French assistance and Britain at war with the Dutch and Spanish at the same time. The colonials also saw themselves as British at the beginning, they just didn't want to pay a tax without representation. The taxes had been cut back to one, and had been instituted to help pay for the costs of the French and Indian War, which had been fought partly on behalf of the colonials.
Any GOOD FATHER would do exactly what Mel does in this entire scene. You do not just let an oppressive government do whatever the hell they please to your family, while justifying it as law-enforcement. I mean, your family should always come first, before your loyalty to any government. That's my opinion.
This was a fucking wonderful and powerful scene, and Mel totally delivered. I mean, you can see how much pain his character is in, that this band of asshole British men forced him to do these horrible things, while taking the life of one son and threatening the life of another.
It's NOT racist. It's hatred against the act. It's hatred toward the criminals, committing these atrocities.
I guess that's what they do in Afghan. Good point!
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Jun A.
And I'm not arguing with that. Citizens of the USA aren't allowed to vote on whether or not we go to war. I didn't approve of Bush's horrible or fake "War on Terror." If I was an Afghan father and I saw my son cut down by an American soldier, I'd be pissed beyond belief.
couldn't agree more dude
***** Soldiers commit suicide because they come back from combat having seen their friends get limbs blown off, their wives cheat on them, take their money and leave. So they believe they have nothing left to lose. We all know its a war not worth fighting, but you have to follow orders and deploy when you're told to.
Love how serious this scene is but when Gibson pauses then says “I want you to start with the officers and work your way down” to me it seems you could put a laugh track in there. 😂😅
I have watched at least 5000 movies. This is in the top ten.
The tactics he used were more-or-less sound: hit from surprise, take out the two officers first, with no one to give orders and no idea how many people they're facing the troops fall back to their conventional training, clump together and fire en-masse, good tactic in open field, not so good in the forest, while Martin hits and moves, using the forest to full advantage, and his sons snipe from height and cover. It could work.
Yea we trained for this in the Army.
When you finally see who your parents are-Gabriel thought his father was a coward. He thought his father was a pacifist because of that, that he wasn’t willing to fight at all. He found out Ben Martin didn’t want to fight because he didn’t want to be the man he was, a ruthlessly efficient killer who in a dark part of himself liked to be that. He had seen the horrors of war, the blood and death that came with it-he knew firsthand what that did to someone. And he was willing to let his sons believe he was scared rather than show them a side of him he wanted to keep dead and buried. Here, Martin’s sons at last see their father as he was, as men spoke of him-a killer.
Yes, and Tavington should have done his frigging research. But he's so " Azov "/ " Black and Tans " he's beyond logic and beyond reason.
A great fight, nice choreography as well. Mel Gibson is allways a badass. I have only seen this movie once or twice, I should rewatch it sometime.
love this scene
Correcting misconceptions: Not all British forces wore red. Legionnaires like Tarleton and Cathcart, in addition to Simcoe's Rangers, wore green uniforms (as did the Jaegers?), though they were prone to wear. The majority of the war did not concern guerrilla tactics-- South Carolina, esp in 1780, was more the exception than the rule. Bayonets weren't rare ornaments that British forces weren't expected to use. Marion was not a pure hero, neither was Tarleton a pure villain, etc etc.
If you compare how Connor fights with Mel Gibson, they're remarkably similar. I think they took some of the parts here as a inspiration.
This is quite possibly the best film made in my lifetime...
This isn't what happens when you kill a man's son, this is what happens when threaten to do it again.
well said
Why not both?
Good job! That was extremely well written for a conservative philosopher. You would make your fellow party members proud! Keep up the good work!
I love this scene
mel gibson one of my all time favorite actors
Muskets and pistols, yes. They could barely hit the broadside of a barn. However, I think they are using rifles, which were very accurate!
The Brits used smoothbore Brown Bess muskets. Poor accuracy.
I would've laughed so hard if at 6:49 the tomahawk would kill another person on the way off. Then Mel Gibson and the guy he was fighting would just stop and look at each other for a brief moment in awkwardness with the epic music stopped, then continue fighting. Hahaha.
That would had been tragically hilarious. I know they were going for a more serious tone but I think that little comical moment could have worked.
Hahaha, glad someone else agrees!
Or it hits him in the back, then he says 'Bruh'... Everyone stops and stare for like 10 seconds, and everyone cheers ans fight.
This is my favorite movie of all time!
This is the best.
Everyone has their issues. Its just unfortunate that Mr. Gibson's had to be put out there for everyone to see and judge. I still think hes an amazing person. His movies and his acting are some of the best ever.
Who would have thought back then that Mel would end up as Hollywood's most disliked person!
Both Awesome scences.
that was like wow i cant wait to see the rest
One of the best examples why the Constitution was written the way it was and why the 1st & 2nd Amendment were written into it in case the Government decides to immorally oppress it's citizens.
Professional soldiers of that day would not cower in a huddle and try to hold a formation intended for larger units in field battles while firing blindly at targets they cannot see, taking the time to reload and look confused at the concept of taking cover in a forest. Its my understanding that in those times the British would simply fix bayonets and run down the ill trained militia while they reloaded their longer hunting style rifles. Ambushes and cover based fighting tactics in those days were not particularly effective, their role in the success of the revolution has been vastly overstated.
They were convinced they were surrounded and how do you fix bayonets and run up a slope to an enemy with better cover. They were confused because they are trained to fight by command, which the officers were shot first and therefore had no orders to carry out.
If that was true, then the Loyalist forces under British command at the battle of Kings Mountain would have escaped their encirclement, instead of suffering a massive defeat.
The British and French forces were renown for holding formation even when it would cost them men, you should research historical battles
This was loosely based on Francis Marion the Swamp Fox. He fought the British throughout the swamps of South Carolina. That's why so much stuff is named for him down there.
They were stuck fighting an enemy that had superior position and were fighting with the sun directly in their eyes, which was why martin picked that spot for the ambush. They also had no idea how many people they were fighting. Charging uphill is a foolish decision in that instance. Between traps and the possibility of the guerrillas hiding their strength until that charge, then having them all open fire simultaneously while the british charged. Also, ambushes were effective. Nathanael Greene used guerrilla war tactics in his campaign and very successfully broke british control in the southern theater.
I just remembered the scene in this movie where they show him plowing the land with his horse, and what ungodly brutal hard work it was.
This is a good movie. It's sad that we had to fight our closes Ally. But now we help each other American and England fight along side in other wars 🇺🇲🇬🇧
When you have real problems, you don't care about pronouns!
I don't have any time or patience for the Woke Bolshevik crap. End of story.
Gayest movie ever
I watch this video everytime for inspiration as I play assassins creed 3.
Awesome
wish I could have a moment like this with my kids someday.
I remember back when i was in bootcamp for the Marines they let us watch this movie on Christmas and it was one of the only times we were allowed to cheer and show emotion before we earned our EGA and officially given the title of Marine.
The scene that made me fall in love with hatchets.
Tomahawk Scene ! Is The Best !
Need to watch this movie again
One of the best films ever, every man should watch
This movie made me love tomahawks to the point of being an obsession.
I love this movie and its soundtrack..
Super film 🎞,love.
A truly exceptional movie
Awesome film
very good scene.
One of my favorit movie
Born in Peekskill, NY. Heart of the American Revolution. The Hudson riverside close to West Point, NY
There are no winners in war is what Mel gibson was telling his boys so they had to see it first hand. What a scene.
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*"Wow... Dad's a killing machine. Huh. Who knew?"*
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Prawdziwy patriota Miłość,Honor,Braterstwo film klasa brawo Mel -Gibsonie jesteś wielki👍😀
Casimir Pulaski 🇲🇨
Ossom movie. Congrats
Sick film
Great movie
Great that the line was used in American Sniper...."Aim small, miss small".
In everyday life as well. Try it, boys and girls, it actually works.