302.S12B: Quintic Impossible 2 - An Insolvable Quintic

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  • @M4THandMUS1C
    @M4THandMUS1C 10 років тому +9

    You are one of a kind. Don't think I've ever come across an instructor with your level of knowledge, clarity and enthusiasm! Higher mathematics education could use more people like you.

  • @nickruffmath
    @nickruffmath 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much for making & sharing these videos. You make a complex & abstract subject so accessible and exciting!

  • @NgocAnhNguyen-si5rq
    @NgocAnhNguyen-si5rq Рік тому

    You are a genius teacher. Your videos are so funny and understandable at the same time.

  • @rhke6789
    @rhke6789 3 роки тому

    Bravo..the finale! Your logic, enthusiasm, and great articulation are great assets to my learning. To do it over again, I would watch this video first...then, knowing what I need to learn, and then start methodically with some perspective that what is being taught and how it will be used. I have search UA-cam high and low looking for a good understanding of Galois' s proof. This is clearly the best without smoke and mirrors. Congrats to you for your teaching ability and congrats to me for finding your lessons and patiently learning from them.

  • @BillShillito
    @BillShillito 10 років тому +3

    That. Felt. Good.
    Satisfying QED indeed. And the music helped. XD Great series of lectures - you have a style that's actually energizing to listen to. The quintic was the one topic from my Abstract Algebra book we never went over, and it always felt like a crime we never did so. Now I understand it, and it was so worth it.
    Thanks so much!

    • @Trunks47r786
      @Trunks47r786 9 років тому

      Bill Shillito Are you going to make new videos??

  • @speedbird7587
    @speedbird7587 3 роки тому

    Very energetic !
    Your explanation is brilliant!

  • @heisenbergmuzik4948
    @heisenbergmuzik4948 4 роки тому

    Eureka!!! Man love your energy and style... Hats off!!!

  • @NoNTr1v1aL
    @NoNTr1v1aL 3 роки тому

    Thank you very much for these videos!

  • @imaneferradj9606
    @imaneferradj9606 6 років тому +1

    the best video I've ever watched !!!!

  • @Hythloday71
    @Hythloday71 10 років тому +1

    AWESOME ! thanks for sharing all this. I did this in group theory and it was tough stuff. What do you think of this as a lay summary ?
    ROOTS can be like permutations of objects, permutations are a really core fundamental type of group that contain all other groups (non-abelian), some groups play nice, they all have formulas, some groups don't play nice, if a polynomial type was to be associated with a group that didn't play nice it wouldn't have a formula.

  • @duckymomo7935
    @duckymomo7935 7 років тому +1

    I love his enthusiasm

  • @Jim-vr2lx
    @Jim-vr2lx 4 місяці тому

    Bravo sir! Bravo.

  • @RubenHogenhout
    @RubenHogenhout 6 років тому

    If you allow also the matrix transformation sometimes you can solve more then the eye can tell. For example. If I have got the X^5 + 5*X^3 + 5*X +2 = 0 and I transform it with the quadratic X^2 + X + 2 + Z = 0 then the determinant of the matrix will give you the quintic Z^5 + 15*Z + 44 = 0 . And the X in this case is equal too ( -1 + (2)^(1/2) )^(1/5) + ( -1 + -(2)^(1/2) )^(1/5) is about equal to -0.354378367 now you can just fill it in the the quadratic to calculate the Z . Z is equal about -1.77120573 and this is the same zero of the Quintic in Z. Now in this case I wonder. What is the solable group of this quintic in Z?

  • @stapleman007
    @stapleman007 2 роки тому

    14:33 Exactly how Galois felt about 5th degree polynomial roots.

  • @RubenHogenhout
    @RubenHogenhout 6 років тому

    Nice , can you show too that for example X^5 + 15X + 12 = 0 has a solvable group?

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP 4 місяці тому

    14:36 Peak math education 👌

  • @utashiori141
    @utashiori141 10 років тому +1

    Hello. Thanks for this. I subscribed to you. Could you kindly put up a playlist of the videos from the beginning of group theory up to this video of quintic insolvability. Thanks.

    • @MatthewSalomone
      @MatthewSalomone  10 років тому +2

      Start here: Exploring Abstract Algebra II: Contents
      Playlist: ua-cam.com/play/PLL0ATV5XYF8DTGAPKRPtYa4E8rOLcw88y.html

    • @utashiori141
      @utashiori141 10 років тому

      Matthew Salomone
      Hello. I'm really poor in abstract algebra right now so I hope you can answer my question in a non-sophisticated manner (and hopefully a video). What is the direct connection of the solvability of a group & also the abelian part of the group tower in the solvability of the quintic ? Does my question make sense ?

    • @nguyen2003
      @nguyen2003 9 років тому +1

      +Uta Shiori My recommendation for questions like these is to ask them in a math forum, particularly math.stackexchange.com

  • @robkim55
    @robkim55 9 років тому +1

    Bravo ......wonderful videos........now the question is how do you generally find a solution to a 5th degree equation??? without using extensions Numerically?

    • @nathanjue2838
      @nathanjue2838 6 років тому

      I believe numerical approximations are the only way to find "solutions" to the general 5th degree equation.

    • @RubenHogenhout
      @RubenHogenhout 6 років тому

      There exists serie expansions.

    • @duckymomo7935
      @duckymomo7935 6 років тому

      Elliptic curves
      And some other methods
      If approximations are acceptable, use a computer

  • @mathador4467
    @mathador4467 7 років тому +1

    This is a great introduction to Galois' Theory, but without good definitions and real proofs, you can't truly say you proved that fifth degree equations are unsolvable by radicals.

  • @ckclasses9835
    @ckclasses9835 6 років тому

    Sir chandrakant here from India sir ple teach us how to find onto ,into, homomorphism.

  • @ravenmitchell820
    @ravenmitchell820 9 років тому

    The quintic equation can have 5 solutions but you need to try roots in roots or try to factor out the roots you know from the polynomials.

    • @nguyen2003
      @nguyen2003 9 років тому

      +Damien Mitchell Actually, it could have the same root more than once, making it appear as though it has less than 5 roots. If you are interested in math, try math.stackexchange.com

    • @RubenHogenhout
      @RubenHogenhout 6 років тому

      The quintic is this form ( Bring Gerard ) can have a maximum of three real roots. Three or one this is right.

  • @ravenmitchell820
    @ravenmitchell820 9 років тому

    It can be solvable if use i=(√-1). You can also use the sum or difference of 2 radicals in a root or radical. That would make it seem unsolvable but it can work if you try. And you can use substitution, ex. p=a+b, or you can combine theories to make the algebraic roots of the equation and have answers of the polynomial. Ex. x=(-b±(√(b^2-4ac))/2a

    • @nguyen2003
      @nguyen2003 9 років тому

      +Damien Mitchell That's not how it works. It won't work for "all" quintic polynomials, trust me. If the solution to all quintic polynomials existed in closed form, I would know it. You are confusing this with whether or not a "case-by-case" scenario is solvable.

    • @ravenmitchell820
      @ravenmitchell820 9 років тому

      +Peter Nguyen what about 3rd power equation and 4th power equation theory

    • @MatthewSalomone
      @MatthewSalomone  9 років тому

      +Peter Nguyen Indeed, the point of this video (and of the whole video series in general) is to prove that no formula exists for the quintic in general. The substitutions and radical tricks you describe would work for some quintics (in particular, if their Galois group is solvable, e.g. S4) but there is no hope for a one-size-fits-all formula for all quintic polynomials.

    • @ravenmitchell820
      @ravenmitchell820 9 років тому

      +Matthew Salomone It could be be possible to start with Ax^5+Bx+C=0 then divide A on both sides and then make a perfect quint is and go from there.

    • @ravenmitchell820
      @ravenmitchell820 9 років тому

      +Damien Mitchell i=(-1)^(1/2) would just be part of it

  • @matthewcory4733
    @matthewcory4733 7 років тому

    Except if you're using a 10-line bisection algorithm...

  • @goboy6882
    @goboy6882 3 роки тому

    Check it off of my "Bucket List".

  • @FrancisCWolfe
    @FrancisCWolfe 10 років тому

    Do be pedantic, you don't actually *have* to find one whose Galois group is all of S5, you just have to prove that one exists. I don't know how you would do that without constructing one, but I bet you could.

  • @RubenHogenhout
    @RubenHogenhout 4 роки тому

    Nice prove. This quintic is indeed not solvable in radicals. But what you can do is two make the last coeeficienten equal like this.
    X^5 + -6*X + 3 = 0 X = k*Y -6/k^4 = 3/k^5
    (-1/96)*Y^5 + Y + 1 = 0 u= -1/96 k = -1/2
    Y = -1.011002460811 Y = 3.341870528962 Y = -2.803283758532
    Y = -1 + u + -5*u^2 + 35*u^3 + -285*u^4 + 2555*u^5
    Y = -1 + -1/96 + -5/9216 + -35/884736 + -285/84934656 + -2555/8153726976 =
    = -1.01100243008
    X = -1/2 * -1.01100243008 = 0.5050122
    the quintic has three real zeros. The others are. X = -1.670935264 X = 1.4016418