Serious (mostly) question to PFR: How much do D-coordinators truly add to a team? I never understood why teams would hire a defensive coordinator -- unless it's DeMeco -- to be a head coach. Definitionally, it's a reactionary "position." I know I couldn't do Kellen's job. (Same with Vic's.) Just, if I said, "Bryce and Nolan, you rush the passer; Jordan and Jalen, you open up lanes or get to the QB, and all of the secondary, stick to your man/zone -- with the linebackers either covering or blitzing," would it be THAT different from an average defensive coordinator's scheme? Know it's the NFL, and Vic is a legend for a reason. But I've never seen, I don't think, a "scheme" beat an offense. If that makes sense.
Defensive coordinators bring immense value to a team, and their role is far more complex than it appears. For example, a DC like Fangio spends countless hours studying game tape to identify subtle tendencies in an opponent's offense. He'll notice if a team runs more play-action on second down or if their QB has a tendency to lock onto his first read under pressure. Using this intel, he crafts a game plan that not only counters these tendencies but also disguises his defense’s intentions, making it harder for the QB to read. When it comes to player development, DCs are instrumental. DCs don't just tell Nick Bosa to rush the passer; they work with him to refine his hand techniques, improve his bend around the edge, and recognize blocking schemes more quickly. This tailored development turns good players into great ones. Take Fangio’s combo coverages, which requires defensive backs to read the route combinations and react in real-time, effectively switching between man and zone responsibilities mid-play. This isn't something players can just pick up; it takes extensive coaching and practice to execute correctly. In-game adjustments are critical. Imagine an offense starts exploiting the middle of the field with crossing routes. A DC like Bill Belichick might respond by dropping an additional linebacker into a zone coverage to clog up those passing lanes, or he might switch to a different front that puts more pressure on the QB, forcing quicker, less accurate throws. So, it’s not just about telling players to rush the passer or stick to their man. DCs like Fangio and Ryans bring a wealth of knowledge, strategic adaptability, player development expertise, and in-game tactical acumen that go far beyond basic instructions. They build defenses that can anticipate and counter complex offensive strategies, making their role indispensable.
Eric made a lot of good points and I'll also add a few more points to what Eric said: there's so much more to coaching than just the scheme. At the heart of it, coaching is teaching. Some people are better at teaching than others. Every coach designs their scheme to be sound and really, they aren't all that different from one another. It's more so small details that are different (who do the linebackers key in the run game, do your safeties play flat footed in quarters or take read steps, etc.) But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you draw on a whiteboard if you can't teach it to someone. On top of that, think about the mechanics of a coaching staff. Is the DC in the booth or on the sideline. If he's on the sideline, he needs someone he can trust in the booth to be a 2nd set of eyes for him. If the DC is in the booth, they need someone on the sideline can be the liaison between the players on the field and the DC in the booth. The DC also has to delegate and trust his assistant coaches in building the defense, game plan and making adjustments. He needs to have the ability to identify good coaches for his staff, and good coaches that they can work with (they will be working together A LOT). There's a lot more that could be discussed, but those are just some examples of things outside of scheme specifically that matter.
@@PhillyFilmRoom Thanks for both replies. Much appreciated. Got to see elite football up close in high school, but was never athletic enough to play for a powerhouse. I tried to learn as much as I could. Your pod, breaking down certain football jargon and schemes, is great. And as I mentioned on the Sydney video, getting "Crash Bandicoot" and whirling dervish references in it, [chef's kiss]. You guys are def grinding; however, I have to image it'll pay off. Literally.
@@PhillyFilmRoom And if I could ask you one last, quick question: In today's NFL, would you ever hire a DC to be a HC? I think I mentioned being a fan of DeMeco, but he's such a rarity. Saleh was supposed to be an amazing "CEO HC," and we've seen the shitshow NYJ has become. Albeit, Siri hasn't shown much since his braintrust (Shane & Gannon) left. But I'd have kept Shane over Nick in a millisecond. Granted, the optics of letting go of a 14-3 Super Bowl team HC in favor of his subordinate would've been crazy. Not how Lurie operates. Can't blame 'em. Frustrating is all.
@@Tasteslikethecolor9 we will do that for sure! It definitely takes a ton of research and film watching to give a complete view of these coordinators, not to mention, they’re always innovating. Once we finish up the players we will do a masterclass on Fangio and Moore as coordinators.
As much as it may sting to think about, because the Birds did pick 2 CB's back to back in 1st and 2nd........It really wouldn't be a bad thing if Slay and Rodgers started outside CB, with Ringo, Quinyon, DeJean, Maddox and Hall all getting their reps at Nickel/Dime/Quarter.....and then next year bump Ringo/Mitchell to outside CB with DeJean at Nickel, if Rodgers/Slay leave. It's a very good "problem" to have with this much talent and depth at the position.
I can tell yall right now ricks is a dawg on the outside. Projected first round at one point for a reason. May not be right for us but is definitely a NFL cornerback.
Just for the long Pod haha. On UA-cam you often have 10-15 seconds to capture someone's attention since another video is a click away. The retention metrics tend to drop considerably during intros so I did away with them for the most part.
What I think is more important then his concepts is what he does compared to desai would be nice to see a breakdown on that bc obv the scheme is bend don’t break but the execution and in game adjustment/game planning is the importance distinction
For sure. As the season gets closer and we get thru the position previews, we can have an episode where we look at some differences in their coaching styles and strategies.
@@PhillyFilmRoom thank you,you guys are really good at your jobs it’s hard to find people who are as knowledgeable as you two who can kinda confirm how I’m thinking while also adding new layers ik you guys did a video on the myth he isn’t aggressive but a deeper breakdown of what we can expect to be different in the approaches and game planning would be quite nice thx guys keep it up
Maddox definitely making the team has versatility to play safety
I think he will probably make the team, but its risky IMO
@@EaglesXsandOs agreed 🤝he also helps with chemistry he’s goderts best friend
I think you guys are underestimating Mitchell
Serious (mostly) question to PFR: How much do D-coordinators truly add to a team? I never understood why teams would hire a defensive coordinator -- unless it's DeMeco -- to be a head coach. Definitionally, it's a reactionary "position." I know I couldn't do Kellen's job. (Same with Vic's.) Just, if I said, "Bryce and Nolan, you rush the passer; Jordan and Jalen, you open up lanes or get to the QB, and all of the secondary, stick to your man/zone -- with the linebackers either covering or blitzing," would it be THAT different from an average defensive coordinator's scheme? Know it's the NFL, and Vic is a legend for a reason. But I've never seen, I don't think, a "scheme" beat an offense. If that makes sense.
Defensive coordinators bring immense value to a team, and their role is far more complex than it appears. For example, a DC like Fangio spends countless hours studying game tape to identify subtle tendencies in an opponent's offense. He'll notice if a team runs more play-action on second down or if their QB has a tendency to lock onto his first read under pressure. Using this intel, he crafts a game plan that not only counters these tendencies but also disguises his defense’s intentions, making it harder for the QB to read.
When it comes to player development, DCs are instrumental. DCs don't just tell Nick Bosa to rush the passer; they work with him to refine his hand techniques, improve his bend around the edge, and recognize blocking schemes more quickly. This tailored development turns good players into great ones.
Take Fangio’s combo coverages, which requires defensive backs to read the route combinations and react in real-time, effectively switching between man and zone responsibilities mid-play. This isn't something players can just pick up; it takes extensive coaching and practice to execute correctly.
In-game adjustments are critical. Imagine an offense starts exploiting the middle of the field with crossing routes. A DC like Bill Belichick might respond by dropping an additional linebacker into a zone coverage to clog up those passing lanes, or he might switch to a different front that puts more pressure on the QB, forcing quicker, less accurate throws.
So, it’s not just about telling players to rush the passer or stick to their man. DCs like Fangio and Ryans bring a wealth of knowledge, strategic adaptability, player development expertise, and in-game tactical acumen that go far beyond basic instructions. They build defenses that can anticipate and counter complex offensive strategies, making their role indispensable.
@@EaglesXsandOs Thanks for the reply. Big respect for the zero grammatical errors, while spacing properly.
Eric made a lot of good points and I'll also add a few more points to what Eric said: there's so much more to coaching than just the scheme. At the heart of it, coaching is teaching. Some people are better at teaching than others. Every coach designs their scheme to be sound and really, they aren't all that different from one another. It's more so small details that are different (who do the linebackers key in the run game, do your safeties play flat footed in quarters or take read steps, etc.) But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what you draw on a whiteboard if you can't teach it to someone.
On top of that, think about the mechanics of a coaching staff. Is the DC in the booth or on the sideline. If he's on the sideline, he needs someone he can trust in the booth to be a 2nd set of eyes for him. If the DC is in the booth, they need someone on the sideline can be the liaison between the players on the field and the DC in the booth.
The DC also has to delegate and trust his assistant coaches in building the defense, game plan and making adjustments. He needs to have the ability to identify good coaches for his staff, and good coaches that they can work with (they will be working together A LOT).
There's a lot more that could be discussed, but those are just some examples of things outside of scheme specifically that matter.
@@PhillyFilmRoom Thanks for both replies. Much appreciated. Got to see elite football up close in high school, but was never athletic enough to play for a powerhouse. I tried to learn as much as I could. Your pod, breaking down certain football jargon and schemes, is great. And as I mentioned on the Sydney video, getting "Crash Bandicoot" and whirling dervish references in it, [chef's kiss]. You guys are def grinding; however, I have to image it'll pay off. Literally.
@@PhillyFilmRoom And if I could ask you one last, quick question: In today's NFL, would you ever hire a DC to be a HC? I think I mentioned being a fan of DeMeco, but he's such a rarity. Saleh was supposed to be an amazing "CEO HC," and we've seen the shitshow NYJ has become. Albeit, Siri hasn't shown much since his braintrust (Shane & Gannon) left. But I'd have kept Shane over Nick in a millisecond. Granted, the optics of letting go of a 14-3 Super Bowl team HC in favor of his subordinate would've been crazy. Not how Lurie operates. Can't blame 'em. Frustrating is all.
Another great video. Keep um coming. I love these
Awesome to hear, let us know what you'd like to hear after we wrap up the positional deep-dives!
@@EaglesXsandOs I would love to see a version of these that focuses on the coaches. I think y'all did one on Fangio but not in this format.
@@Tasteslikethecolor9 we will do that for sure! It definitely takes a ton of research and film watching to give a complete view of these coordinators, not to mention, they’re always innovating.
Once we finish up the players we will do a masterclass on Fangio and Moore as coordinators.
As much as it may sting to think about, because the Birds did pick 2 CB's back to back in 1st and 2nd........It really wouldn't be a bad thing if Slay and Rodgers started outside CB, with Ringo, Quinyon, DeJean, Maddox and Hall all getting their reps at Nickel/Dime/Quarter.....and then next year bump Ringo/Mitchell to outside CB with DeJean at Nickel, if Rodgers/Slay leave. It's a very good "problem" to have with this much talent and depth at the position.
Fangio may prefer the vets as well!
I can tell yall right now ricks is a dawg on the outside. Projected first round at one point for a reason. May not be right for us but is definitely a NFL cornerback.
He went undrafted
CB1: Slay
CB2: Rodgers or Ringo
SLOT: Maddox
I'd go with Rodgers in the slot because I view Maddox as an unreliable option
Nicks a former DB!?!?
Yes he played in college
Really interesting yr for our secondary I think competition at outside and inside will spice things up
Camp battles will be epic!
Yes intros back!
Just for the long Pod haha. On UA-cam you often have 10-15 seconds to capture someone's attention since another video is a click away. The retention metrics tend to drop considerably during intros so I did away with them for the most part.
@@PhillyFilmRoomas expected of someone who focuses on analysis 😂…same reason I stopped doing them outside of a personal quick intro of my name.
Rodgers is not going to be a slot corner, he is a great outside corner and he has even said that himself
should also take into account we traded a 3rd rounder for Ringo. still, draft stock not as high as mitchell as yous said
Why do y'all have so many?
These videos are great
Thanks a lot, help us spread the word as we are just up-and-coming!
What I think is more important then his concepts is what he does compared to desai would be nice to see a breakdown on that bc obv the scheme is bend don’t break but the execution and in game adjustment/game planning is the importance distinction
We talked about this, especially the differences in their 3rd down tendencies.
For sure. As the season gets closer and we get thru the position previews, we can have an episode where we look at some differences in their coaching styles and strategies.
@@PhillyFilmRoom thank you,you guys are really good at your jobs it’s hard to find people who are as knowledgeable as you two who can kinda confirm how I’m thinking while also adding new layers ik you guys did a video on the myth he isn’t aggressive but a deeper breakdown of what we can expect to be different in the approaches and game planning would be quite nice thx guys keep it up
Starters Option 1: (Start of Season)
Slay - Outside
Quinyon or Isaiah - Outside
Isaiah or Dejean - Slot
Starters Opttion 2: (More Exciting)
Quinyon - Outside
Isaiah or Kelee - Outside
Dejean or Isaiah - Slot
Isiah isn’t a slot corner.
@@eaglewarrior33check out our episode on Rodgers, it may change your mind about his potential for the slot
Have yall thought about making a Tik-Tok and posting some clips talking about players? Could do well imo
100%
@eaglesxsandos absolutely hate the Maddox take, but i'm with you on Ricks
Which point about Maddox did you hate
I'm a big fan of eagles 2024 season better Eagles win 14-3 I'm going to be a uncle
Congrats! May you be the best uncle in the whole world. Shower the kid with love, kindness and God's word.
Congrats! You're gonna be a great uncle