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Hey EC crew do you mind doing fever 1793 next, just wrapping it up for my first trimester. I would really like it if you could do that because I think it would fit the bill
I ended hp missing the book due to being sick in school (did a makeup assignment) but now that I know what it is about, it should not be scrutinized for the time it was written in as it perfectly shows as you said, where things were and how far they have gotten. Is not racism still the enemy of the book?
"And I swore never to read again after 'To Kill a Mockingbird' gave me no useful advice on killing mockingbirds. It did teach me not to judge a man based on the color of his skin, but what good does that do me?" -Homer Simpson, Season 15, Episode 10, "Diatribe of a Mad Housewife"
@@lastflightofosiris While I agree that that's probably what happened, a human body can take a surprising number of bullets and keep trucking on. There are stories of men surviving 30 or more pistol impacts, with quick medical treatment
Well in my case I was taught that Tom tried to escape because he thought that he might as well do something of his own pure will but in by doing he got shot while trying to do it
@@derekskelton4187 Well of course. Racism is an excellent tool to keep the rabble quiescent. That way the economic elite can do the business of owning and running everything without that pesky democracy getting in the way.
I think this was one of the better books I had to read while in high school. But also one of the hardest to analyze. There were just so many themes to write about.
Removing this from schools is hilariously backwards in terms of actually learning from history. There is literally only one reason to remove it, to further the progress of racism
This is why I like the Warner Bros approach to old stuff. Disclaimer at the front that it was made in a different time with different morals, and now that we can all agree it was bad, we're mature enough to recognize that any censorship of it is no better than lying about the past. Normal American people used to be racist, key phrase "used to." Similarly, some people don't even notice or care, especially with children where it flies way over their heads (or at least mine) because you don't GET the subtext until you're an adult and learn about it. There isn't some bulletin over the screen during the Jim Crow gang Dumbo scene saying that black folks are odd, it's just a bunch of cartoon crows havin' a laugh and making an amazingly punny musical number. [Racial Stereotypes] in Looney Tunes aren't brainwashing kids into being racist, a lot of them just see a silly caricature with a funny accent no more different than Yosemite Sam or Porky Pig. And we can STILL have Daffy Duck whack Hitler over the head with a mallet! It took me SO MANY YEARS to learn who that random guy at the end of that cartoon was!
One of the best aspects of the book is outside of plot or message. It’s the use of language. How a person structures their language is how that person structures their thoughts. From page one the reader is immersed in the mindset and outlook of Scout,and by extension her culture, through what she chooses to say and how she chooses to say it.
@@globe0147 Nnnnno, no, not that one. Catcher in the Rye has not aged well and is pretty much nothing but an objectively awful boy mucking about for a few days, being terrible to his friends and family.
This was assigned reading for my English class in 10th grade. We were assigned to read chapter 3 on the night I finished the book- I just couldn't put it down. It's still one of my favorite books because of how engaging the writing is
Man, where was this series back when my teacher read us this book in high school, page by page, ignoring the metaphors and humor in favor of a dry, monotonous tone?
Its a shame that attitudes have shifted in recent years. If this story is framed in the context of the times and the message rings true with readers, should we start figuratively burning these tales from our past?
Oh, and someone harrassing a reclusive neighbour and him reacting by leaving little things for them just strikes me as a cute response, not creepy at all.
Maybe I'm missing some cultural context, not being American, so this story isn't really known over here so based just on what I hear here, but why is it considered "problematic" and against modern sensibilities if it's portraying the racist mob as the clear bad guys? Even if the slurs are used, isn't it in the context of portraying it as a bad thing?
The only thing I can think of is the aforementioned one-dimensionality of the black and neuro-divergent characters, and the implementation of the white savior trope. Hopefully someone else can put it better into context, because while these things are worth criticizing, I don't know that they harm the story's message.
There is like a tiny sliver of the population which is very vocal on social media that dictates cultural mores. Like even in this video where they use neuro divergent to describe Boo.
its just a bunch of people who base their pride on their "defense" of racial minorities, some even go and start being racist BACK to caucasian victims of certain events, there are also ashamed groups of caucasians who hate said use of steriotypes, they fight back and stuff, and its social media which actively lets vulgar behavior happen so openly, heck if some influential person says they hate X minority, that minority would possibly get attacked by mobs ironically. basically "wahhhhhhhhhh wasict turm wahhh" while ignoring ANY message, you also got to be politically correct somehow
Because there are insane ideologues who call themselves "Woke", who were born too late to actually make a difference in the fight against racism which has been largely won.
Peck naintained to the end of his life that the role of Atticus Finch was both his favourite and his most-important role. (Also, he and Mary Badham (Scout) remained close for the rest of Peck's life ... and they always addressed each other as Scout and Atticus! 💖)
I saw the play when I was on spring break. I am a teen and had to explain a few things to my younger sister but I remember getting a bunch of chills of both understanding the meaning and the sad truth of racism.
I recommend The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton. That’s like the only book we had to read in school that EVERYBODY loved and some people (including me) read ahead.
My mom taught this book for over a decade in an 8th grade reading class. I think something important to know about the book is the context of it's sequel, set in a future where Atticus Finch is an old man with incredibly racist views, that Scout, now grown, has to confront. Its a cool example of how characters can undergo significant negative character development, even if they were basically heroic figures in their original story.
Context there: the "sequel" was not so much a sequel but a different draft of to kill a mockingbird, written by the same author before to kill a mockingbird but pusblished many years later. And advertised as a sequel by the publisher to drive sales. Still, a really interesting and deep interpretación by your mom.
To Kill A Mockingbird is one of my favorites and it's the book that made me love literature. It was sad that Tom died but it also taught me so much and I changed my perspective of both people and the the society we had and lived in. That one book gave me more life lessons than all the people in my life 😂
“Hopefully (when you were 9) you’re biggest worry was whether your nuggets were shaped like dinosaurs..” Dude, I’m 32 and still worry about that. Go in my freezer and you will find Dino nuggets
I get that the book doesn't provide agency to marginalized characters, but it's important to remember that this book was published in the 60s, and that civil rights movements can't succeed without the aid of and acceptance by mainstream society.
I would like to suggest a book called Across Five Aprils by Irine Hunt for this series. It's about a family living in rural Illinois during the American Civil War. Now, despite being the home state of Abraham Lincoln, Illinois was on the border of the Union and the Confederacy, so there were people on both sides living there, particularly the further south you went.
When my school was planning on banning and removing a bunch of books from the library, I quickly checked this book out and read it, it was amazing and I did a book report about it. The book is gone now. But I’m glad I read it. I’m currently reading all quiet on the western front, and after that I’m reading Logan’s run.
Years ago in middle school.. My sister & I have the same age but her class was assigned 'To Kill A Mocking Bird' & my class, 'One Flew Over The Coco's Nest'. Never knew about that book's plot until today.
It's sad when people can't see things through any lens but their own, current, perspective. Whatever though, time will kick their ass, reason and critical thinking will win out eventually.
Extra history i really wish you could do a episode on another classic of literature ship of fools by Katherine anne Porter which has similar themes to a to kill a mockingbird
My English teacher didn’t want to read this book (a lot of books assigned by the curriculum actually) So she went through the book (skipping over the stuff she didn’t like) and spoiled the ending. It happens with this book, Farenheight 451, The Outsiders (which I had read MANY times before her class and saw the movie), Lord of the Flies, etc. She once yelled at me for ‘reading ahead’ when I guessed what was going to happen in The Pit and The Pendulum, I didn’t expect to be right but I was and she was PISSED I managed to guess the next correctly on the first read. We’d get like halfway through a book, she’d get bored of us reading it, and tell us the ending. Then we watched the movie (if it had one) and she’d skip over parts too. We were in high school. She’d also get made at me for ‘showing off’ when I would use big words in essays (which I do use because I have a big vocab because I was reading books since I could hold one and read).
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You guys should never end this series
Hey EC crew do you mind doing fever 1793 next, just wrapping it up for my first trimester. I would really like it if you could do that because I think it would fit the bill
🙏 can you please start an extra Literature Series and can your Nextbook be a Stranger in a Strange Land pretty please with catnip on top
Hope you guys take suggetions: Woods Runner By Gary Paulson
I ended hp missing the book due to being sick in school (did a makeup assignment) but now that I know what it is about, it should not be scrutinized for the time it was written in as it perfectly shows as you said, where things were and how far they have gotten. Is not racism still the enemy of the book?
"And I swore never to read again after 'To Kill a Mockingbird' gave me no useful advice on killing mockingbirds. It did teach me not to judge a man based on the color of his skin, but what good does that do me?"
-Homer Simpson, Season 15, Episode 10, "Diatribe of a Mad Housewife"
Accurate
Thou arest cultured
I had to laugh when he threw a copy of Shirley Jackson's :The Lottery" in a fire.
based
As a man who likes a pun, Brew Radley being the name of the coffee shop is very much a good one
We thought it was very punny too.
Lol
@@extrahistory if I had a quarter for every time I heard that I could sponsor an episode 😄
I'm just sad there wasn't a drinks bar next door serving tequila mockingbirds
Fun fact, there’s actually a coffee shop in Portland called Boo Radley. My cousins own it, it’s great
Finally! A book I’ve actually read and don’t need to worry about spoilers when watching it XD
Same!!!
Me three
Same here
I want spoilers because I am epic because I can’t afford them 😎 😎 😎
Not me
I think the implication was that Tom's "escape" was fabricated by the prison guards. They shot him in the back, and then faked reports of his escape.
Yeah, that would make sense.
Yeah, I assumed the same when I read the book.
Shot him 17 times. Must've escaped in a tank.
@@lastflightofosiris While I agree that that's probably what happened, a human body can take a surprising number of bullets and keep trucking on. There are stories of men surviving 30 or more pistol impacts, with quick medical treatment
Well in my case I was taught that Tom tried to escape because he thought that he might as well do something of his own pure will but in by doing he got shot while trying to do it
2:51 Metaphors aside, mockingbirds are actually very aggresive and will chase off any other birds including hawks
so its like the dude hiding but leaving gifts in the tree trunk, a bit
Which is why I love them hehe
They also eat insects and other small creatures like lizards. Not bringing joy to them.
@@iambicpentakill971 I mean, I think most birds their size do, no? Can't really blame animals for eating other animals.
I saw one dive bombing my cat one time.
I read this book for 9th grade honors English. The ending was sad but matched the racial sentiment of the South at the time.
It's the sentiment of the South today.
A sentiment that has stayed with the US since it's founding, and is still a major component through the whole country
@@derekskelton4187 Well of course. Racism is an excellent tool to keep the rabble quiescent. That way the economic elite can do the business of owning and running everything without that pesky democracy getting in the way.
@@Praisethesunson except the elite is filling in the spaces of said democracy today
@@Harsh-tf9he No they aren't
I think this was one of the better books I had to read while in high school. But also one of the hardest to analyze. There were just so many themes to write about.
Removing this from schools is hilariously backwards in terms of actually learning from history. There is literally only one reason to remove it, to further the progress of racism
Yeah, they would rather burn books than explain their lessons.
This is why I like the Warner Bros approach to old stuff. Disclaimer at the front that it was made in a different time with different morals, and now that we can all agree it was bad, we're mature enough to recognize that any censorship of it is no better than lying about the past. Normal American people used to be racist, key phrase "used to."
Similarly, some people don't even notice or care, especially with children where it flies way over their heads (or at least mine) because you don't GET the subtext until you're an adult and learn about it. There isn't some bulletin over the screen during the Jim Crow gang Dumbo scene saying that black folks are odd, it's just a bunch of cartoon crows havin' a laugh and making an amazingly punny musical number. [Racial Stereotypes] in Looney Tunes aren't brainwashing kids into being racist, a lot of them just see a silly caricature with a funny accent no more different than Yosemite Sam or Porky Pig. And we can STILL have Daffy Duck whack Hitler over the head with a mallet! It took me SO MANY YEARS to learn who that random guy at the end of that cartoon was!
Agreed!
@@BeaglzRok1 There are about a dozen warner bros cartoons that have been retired in the 1960s due to racist content
Yep. But thats what racists do. They call out “erasing history” but are all to ready to ban books that point out their evilness
One of the best aspects of the book is outside of plot or message. It’s the use of language. How a person structures their language is how that person structures their thoughts. From page one the reader is immersed in the mindset and outlook of Scout,and by extension her culture, through what she chooses to say and how she chooses to say it.
I love this series. List of books/stories I'd like to see reviewed:
The lord of the flies
Fahrenheit 451
Harrison Burgeron
The Giver
The Lottery
Add “Catcher in the rye”
Harrison Bergeron is brilliant.
@@globe0147 Nnnnno, no, not that one. Catcher in the Rye has not aged well and is pretty much nothing but an objectively awful boy mucking about for a few days, being terrible to his friends and family.
1984 would be a good one
@@WobblesandBean Exactly right. The guy's obnoxious and snarky and I can't find any real reason for that. There's no symbolism and no real message.
Bob Ewell might be the greatest example of the banality of evil in fiction. So low, so worthless, so pathetic, so vile.
He makes even the most vile of rebels look like heroes.
It still one of the best pieces of American Literature out there.
This was assigned reading for my English class in 10th grade. We were assigned to read chapter 3 on the night I finished the book- I just couldn't put it down. It's still one of my favorite books because of how engaging the writing is
RIP the brilliant Brock Peters, who brought to life both the complicated-but-innocent Tom Robinson and the complicated-but-guilty Admiral Cartwright.
I always thought, and still think, that Mr. Robinson being shot while escaping was a ruse by the prison guards.
Man, where was this series back when my teacher read us this book in high school, page by page, ignoring the metaphors and humor in favor of a dry, monotonous tone?
Considering the book also touches on opioid addiction, the themes and issues addressed are still very much relevant to today.
As a birder, I feel I should point out that Mockingbirds are generally very nasty and aggressive birds that wouldn't think twice about harming others.
Its a shame that attitudes have shifted in recent years.
If this story is framed in the context of the times and the message rings true with readers, should we start figuratively burning these tales from our past?
Agreed!
Amen! 🙏
Oh, and someone harrassing a reclusive neighbour and him reacting by leaving little things for them just strikes me as a cute response, not creepy at all.
Maybe I'm missing some cultural context, not being American, so this story isn't really known over here so based just on what I hear here, but why is it considered "problematic" and against modern sensibilities if it's portraying the racist mob as the clear bad guys?
Even if the slurs are used, isn't it in the context of portraying it as a bad thing?
The only thing I can think of is the aforementioned one-dimensionality of the black and neuro-divergent characters, and the implementation of the white savior trope.
Hopefully someone else can put it better into context, because while these things are worth criticizing, I don't know that they harm the story's message.
There is like a tiny sliver of the population which is very vocal on social media that dictates cultural mores. Like even in this video where they use neuro divergent to describe Boo.
its just a bunch of people who base their pride on their "defense" of racial minorities, some even go and start being racist BACK to caucasian victims of certain events, there are also ashamed groups of caucasians who hate said use of steriotypes, they fight back and stuff, and its social media which actively lets vulgar behavior happen so openly, heck if some influential person says they hate X minority, that minority would possibly get attacked by mobs ironically.
basically "wahhhhhhhhhh wasict turm wahhh" while ignoring ANY message, you also got to be politically correct somehow
I have been asking the same question, but nobody seems to give a clear answer
Because there are insane ideologues who call themselves "Woke", who were born too late to actually make a difference in the fight against racism which has been largely won.
"You know, that's not a how-to book."
-"Huh. I did think the text was going off-topic."
~Paraphrasing one of the Sunday comics that time forgot
Was that Get Fuzzy?
Gregory Peck as Atticus Finch was one of the greatest casting decisions in film history. His courtroom speech is up there in iconic film moments.
Peck naintained to the end of his life that the role of Atticus Finch was both his favourite and his most-important role. (Also, he and Mary Badham (Scout) remained close for the rest of Peck's life ... and they always addressed each other as Scout and Atticus! 💖)
Ah, the ham costume, still one of the most out there details.
I saw the play when I was on spring break. I am a teen and had to explain a few things to my younger sister but I remember getting a bunch of chills of both understanding the meaning and the sad truth of racism.
I recommend The Outsiders by S.E. Hinton. That’s like the only book we had to read in school that EVERYBODY loved and some people (including me) read ahead.
Oh, The Outsiders! My experience must be similar to yours then, that book was a big hit with my 7th grade Reading class!
That book was awesome
As mature adult, I can budget to be able to afford my own dino nuggies 🦕
A tale for our time, especially the bit about a angry mob and the miscarriage of justice.
Boo was just a caring soul with a personality most folk can't understand. The world should be nicer to men like Boo.
Boo had tuberculosis…
I'm loving this new series so far! A lot of good stories, both helpful and inspiring ones are shown. Overall just worth your time.
It's sad that people banned the book, which is wack
The woke mob will never be satisfied.
For real.
we had to read this in school, was such a good read I finished the book before the class made it a quarter of the way through.
This book literally made me cry once.
My mom taught this book for over a decade in an 8th grade reading class. I think something important to know about the book is the context of it's sequel, set in a future where Atticus Finch is an old man with incredibly racist views, that Scout, now grown, has to confront. Its a cool example of how characters can undergo significant negative character development, even if they were basically heroic figures in their original story.
Context there: the "sequel" was not so much a sequel but a different draft of to kill a mockingbird, written by the same author before to kill a mockingbird but pusblished many years later. And advertised as a sequel by the publisher to drive sales. Still, a really interesting and deep interpretación by your mom.
To Kill A Mockingbird is one of my favorites and it's the book that made me love literature. It was sad that Tom died but it also taught me so much and I changed my perspective of both people and the the society we had and lived in. That one book gave me more life lessons than all the people in my life 😂
Hope they do catcher in the rye
this is my favorite channel and all of you have taught me more about the world and game design so thank you for the wonderful memories.
I love Scouts “ham” costume that you didn’t draw lop
Of all the required reading I had to do for school, To Kill a Mockingbird was the only one I actually enjoyed in some weird way.
“Hopefully (when you were 9) you’re biggest worry was whether your nuggets were shaped like dinosaurs..”
Dude, I’m 32 and still worry about that. Go in my freezer and you will find Dino nuggets
dont lie
I get that the book doesn't provide agency to marginalized characters, but it's important to remember that this book was published in the 60s, and that civil rights movements can't succeed without the aid of and acceptance by mainstream society.
Fantastic point that always seems to be overlooked.
I would like to suggest a book called Across Five Aprils by Irine Hunt for this series. It's about a family living in rural Illinois during the American Civil War. Now, despite being the home state of Abraham Lincoln, Illinois was on the border of the Union and the Confederacy, so there were people on both sides living there, particularly the further south you went.
0:32 uh huh huh scout. Ha ha ha huh huh huh /my best Beavis and Butt-Head text impression, but did anyone else catch that‽
Scout is foreshadowing and a pun.
Hah, that’s witty
Thank you. I guess you have to have read the book before you can get it.
Atticus is one of my favorite characters ever
Still one of my favorite authors. I absolutely loved both books : To kill a mocking bisrd and Go set a watchman
When my school was planning on banning and removing a bunch of books from the library, I quickly checked this book out and read it, it was amazing and I did a book report about it. The book is gone now. But I’m glad I read it. I’m currently reading all quiet on the western front, and after that I’m reading Logan’s run.
Where do you live?
ann arbor area
@@Odderstuff like what state? If you are comfortable telling it of course, nobody forces you to disclose these info.
@@malogibeaux4946it’s in Michigan
No part of geting older demands giving up dino nuggets.
Certainly the Extra Breakfast of Champions!
Agree
This is personally my favorite book, thanks for featuring it.
Absolutely excited about this series
You're excited, WE'RE excited! Let's all be excited together! 🔖📕📗📘📙📚
I appreciated reading this book in school so much that I bought it as an adult.
Honestly I found Atticus to be a good role model and he honestly made me want to be a better person
Years ago in middle school.. My sister & I have the same age but her class was assigned 'To Kill A Mocking Bird' & my class, 'One Flew Over The Coco's Nest'. Never knew about that book's plot until today.
One of three assigned books I actually read in high school. One of my favorite books by far.
I really don't get why people judge works of literature of past years from modern perspectives and moralities.
“Scout out an answer” - a pun within the first forty seconds and I approve.
I had to read this book back in 8th grade and personally that was one of my favorite books I've read during my time in school
PANR has tuned in.
I've been subscribed for a long while and sadly I don't get too many opportunities to watch your new videos but I'm glad I tuned into this one.
I see.... So this isn't about actually killing a mockingbird....IVE BEEN LIED TO!!
I read this book so long ago, thanks for looking over this!
Can you do a video about George Orwells best books? Such as Animal Farm or 1984? Keep up the awesome videos!
My English class education was reading Things Fall Apart literally 6 times. We missed so many classics including this.
I've got a question could you guys do Robinson Crusoe that was one of my favourite books growing up.
Lovely idea this! I've never been able to read ''to kill a mockingbird'' but would now love to! Please do more book!
I'll be honest, when you read it even today with an understanding perspective, it's still not all that bad.
What's the problem with this book anyways?
I like the " So you havent read " series
I misread the title as So You Haven't Heard, and I instantly thought that the bird in the title was referencing Family Guy of all things
I hope I will get to see a "The old man and the sea" episode of these, it's my favourite book.
As a modern American, I absolutely love this book, no matter what time period
extra credits has the best story ever
Nice to see that this serie is continuing :D
I (a High School Sophmore) is currently reading this and this video was quite nice to watch
I have read the book but I’ll watch this anyone cuz that book was fire
The existence of boo radley implies he has a younger much more successful brother namned Yay radley
It's sad when people can't see things through any lens but their own, current, perspective.
Whatever though, time will kick their ass, reason and critical thinking will win out eventually.
When you say "lens of their own with time that will kick their ass" you talking about Extra Litterature or the book?
My dogs, by random coincidences, are named Harper Lee and Scout.
2:56
Zoey: *About to execute Order 66 on a mockingbird*
Mockingbird: *Sings See you again*
Zoey: :) *Becomes friends with said bird*
New series about books? Yes, thanks.
VERY appreciated 👏👏👏
I JUST READ THIS BOOK!!!
Sorry, Ya'll, I got excited! This is one of the best books for a political 14 yo to read! LOVE Extra Credits! I've been using them since i was 8 ish!
Finally, middle schoolers have another sparknotes
Jokes on you, I pay my phone bill AND have dino nuggets
Shows you how influential the film adaptation is when bean Atticus is modeled after Gregory Peck.
Would love to see you do a ‘So You Haven’t Read’ on ‘The Chosen’ by Chaim Potok :)
I have read it. Many times. One of my favorites.
Extra history i really wish you could do a episode on another classic of literature ship of fools by Katherine anne Porter which has similar themes to a to kill a mockingbird
I completely forgot about the “HAM” costume, literally one of my favorite things of the book/movie.
I just bought this book for my daughter to read... next up ... Of Mice and Men, then Lord of the Flies.
My English teacher didn’t want to read this book (a lot of books assigned by the curriculum actually)
So she went through the book (skipping over the stuff she didn’t like) and spoiled the ending.
It happens with this book, Farenheight 451, The Outsiders (which I had read MANY times before her class and saw the movie), Lord of the Flies, etc.
She once yelled at me for ‘reading ahead’ when I guessed what was going to happen in The Pit and The Pendulum, I didn’t expect to be right but I was and she was PISSED I managed to guess the next correctly on the first read.
We’d get like halfway through a book, she’d get bored of us reading it, and tell us the ending.
Then we watched the movie (if it had one) and she’d skip over parts too.
We were in high school.
She’d also get made at me for ‘showing off’ when I would use big words in essays (which I do use because I have a big vocab because I was reading books since I could hold one and read).
You pronounced the name of the book so fast that I thought I heard "Tequila Mockingbird" #isitjustme
It took me 17 years and 1 ec video to appreciate this novel. 😅
It was so exciting watching Atticus Prime battle Boo Decepticon!
EC:So you haven’t read to kill a mockingbird
Every high schooler in a 5 mile radius: 😐
We're currently reading the book in our Sophomore English class.
Our school is reading to kill a mocking bird now! Exited to get to where what you talked about here!
This series definitely should have more views!
My biggest worries were if my chicken nuggets are dinosaur shaped, yes indeed
0:30 “Scout out an answer”
I saw what you did there :p
I just got some awful memories of crying in my sophomore high school class while reading this.
It would be great if you could do a video on "The Little Prince".