Something like this would be nice. Heck, I'd settle for moderately useful connectivity between Philly & Pittsburgh. Something under 5 hours & with some frequency.
@@TheTrueZenix, I agree. But baby steps. It's currently listed as being 7+ hours on Amtrak's site. I'd love it to be under 3, but that's probably just a dream.
As someone very familiar with Pennsylvania, I like this proposal. I would add a Tyrone station though, not because Tyrone itself has the population to justify high-speed rail, but because it should be a transfer point to a shuttle train to nearby State College (where Penn State is). Significantly improving train transit access to State College might come with the added benefit of alleviating the traffic related to Penn State football games…so bad it has gotten national media coverage.
@@TheHungryTransitFan Back in the Penn Central passenger service days If I remember there was a note in their East-West timetable that noted there was a bus connection to State College from the Lewistown station.
I live in State College, I’d love to be able to make use of the Pennsylvanian. There are plans to bring back a second train a day in each direction. Those plans come up in proposals and seem to be forgotten. 2023 comes to mind as the last serious proposal/set of plans that I’ve read about. I don’t read the details, but typically straightening some curves along the route to knock a half hour off the trip are part of the vision. I visit Philly frequently. Rather than drive thirty minutes to take the Pennsylvanian, I tend to get out the door quite early, do the 90 minute drive to Harrisburg and take the Keystone in. I’m in Philly over two hours before I’d even board the Pennsylvanian and that’s the third train of the morning typically. I’d love not to have to drive all the way to Harrisburg, but at the end of the day, it’s an easy drive and far better than having to drive into the city. The Keystone Service is very good, it’s exemplary of what we should be focusing on. Reading to Philly, the Lehigh Valley NYC or Philly. Those are routes that could move a whole lot of people. High speed rail is a great idea, but we need to relearn how to walk before we can run. The greater Philly region has very good regional rail already I’d love to see it developed further
@@MavonEast oh it's unfolded alright 😂 but there have been more serious similar proposals in the past, it's nice to think about what could be...with a functional Congress and fully funded infrastructure projects
Excellent submission to the "One Line More" contest! Loved all of the humor that made this better than a Stew's News video while maintaining a bit of believability in the proposal. Although Pierogi is always a tasty name, I would vote for Yinz... because that's who we are. I think a source of funding could come from the worldwide train community since this would become a worldwide destination for FOAMERS.
@@stephenkeever6029 thank you! The algorithm just blessed me with Stew's News only this week, I think he does a little better with the biting wit than I can. I'm humbled by the comparison!
How about the cost.....did you consider that? Philly is 95 miles from NYC and 97 from Baltimore. Pittsburgh is 120 miles from Cleveland and about 150 from Columbus. Wanna travel between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Buy a plane ticket. It takes 30 minutes via air.
@@penguinsfan251that mentality is why we’re behind the rest of the first world when it comes to infrastructure and public transportation. This gives people in the middle of the state a lot of opportunity to enjoy both cities.
if the us ever builds a proper rail network, there will definitely be an HSR line across the state. it will provide an important connection between the northeast and midwest. that being said i think it probably would follow the I 76 corridor between pittsburgh and harrisburg like in the lucid stew video. this one was a lot of fun though. i like the repurposing old rolling stock. they should do the hershey thing regardless
Here’s the problem: making the existing corridor even slightly faster would cost a fortune. It would be a much better investment just to build a green-field high speed corridor across the mountains, likely from Pittsburgh to roughly Chambersburg. From there, southern branches would serve Washington and Baltimore while northern branches would serve (via Harrisburg) Philadelphia and New York.
if you wanna take a train from philly to get primanti bros, you COULD take a medium speed keystone to lancaster where there is a primanit bros location a mile or so from lancaster station.
@@jonathanstensberg A train Washington-Wilmington-Scranton-Syracuse would be called the Joe Biden, connecting where he works, where he lives, where he was born, and where he went to school
Ok this is really cool! An super high production value imo. I think it's a sweet proposal regardless of funding. I for one wish the PIEROGI L was real. Also I don't know if it's fair to compare a 90 minute "wheels up to wheels down" flight when not factoring in security lines (which could be a few minutes or hours) on top of any potential baggage. This is a great video and we'll put together. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your kind words! I certainly agree that this could be a great city center connection in FAR better time than going to an airport...I just wish the people controlling the purse strings would agree!
Someone else mentioned a branch line in Tyrone to lead to State College, not a bad idea. I'm collecting ideas for expanded fantasy lines in PA, so that may be something in the future!
This would be a very good corridor! I do think it's a little more likely down the line that we would see the Keystone Corridor extended and electrified all the way to Pittsburgh though. It wouldn't be 165MPH+ but I have a feeling that a rebuilt Main Line could be built to carry 125MPH+ traffic and the Keystone service would just overtake the Pennsylvanian and provide more daily Roundtrips. It would be a good reason to get a cafe' car back on the Keystone, too!
I just happened to come across this video and watched it. It would very cool to just to travel between Brotherly Love and The Steel City in just over 2 hours from one side of PA to the other by train. A Busy Norfolk Southern Line from Harrisburg and points west could slow them down. Norfolk Southern from Harrisburg and on east go towards Hershey, Reading, Pottstown, Norristown and so on. Some towards Morrisville (near Trenton NJ) and some toward Philly. It doesn’t affect the Paradise to Strasburg part of the route ran by Amtrak instead. So whether you are craving Eat n Park in Pittsburgh to Wawa in Philadelphia, you get to try out different places and then maybe even be able to return right back on the same day at that speed. There are no Wawa convenience stores out in western PA while there are no Eat N Park’s restaurants in Eastern PA. leave at 8am from Philly, be in Pittsburgh at 10am. Leave Pittsburgh at 4:00pm and you are back in Philly at 6pm is like giving you a whole 6 hours on the other side of the state.
@@jonathanrinda7171 oooh I hadn't even thought about Eat'n Park. We'll work in a promo, show a Commonwealth Connector ticket for a free smiley face cookie!
They’ve been talking about trains like this like since the day I was born 45 years ago I hope this actually happens, but this is the United States, so we’ll all be dead and buried for a long time before this actually starts
Thanks for this wish list of service for Pennsylvania. I knew it was a fun just wish list when you added those connecting lines. We can’t even get a station at Paradise junction with Amtrak as is. So a low ridership direct line to Strasburg would not ever be built. However we can always hope the state and federal government could consider upgrading a true high speed line between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Although it may be hard to electrify and use the existing route beyond Harrisburg due to the heavy freight traffic Norfolk Southern runs on this route and the cost to either provide a new right of way with tunnels through the mountain areas. It also would make sense try to serve State College directly on any new right of way due to that being a likely heavily used station with fast easy service from both Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. That also would help the area since air service is only regional flights and at high cost. Not to mention the service would also be heavenly used for the big football games Penn State hosts every year. But I do realize that again the chance of this happening is small due to the cost to build even an upgraded electrified existing route.
@@johnchambers8528 I breezed through it, but it was fun to imagine Strasburg as an underground trolley 😂 Imagine how many folks from NJ, Philly, and points west would use a service straight to Beaver Stadium on game days vs an hours-long drive. Even non-game days could be useful!
@@JBB4118 The ideal setup for Conrail 2 Electric Boogaloo would be as a freight counterpart to Amtrak, two sides of the same coin, both run by a United States Railroad Authority
I'll settle for _any_ public transit to Strasburg. It makes no sense that the Strasburg Station has zero public transit to it and it's not even _in_ Strasburg. It's like a mile east of it. (That might be how it got the name of East Strasburg.) I love the Strasburg Railroad, but my goodness, it takes 3 hours to drive from Allentown to Strasburg and half of that time is spent going around crashed cars. Literally every time. Someone please build a line connecting Allentown with Strasburg.
Back in the 1980’s , Pennsylvania’s governor, Richard Thornburg, a republican, was a big proponent of a trans - Pennsylvania high speed rail line. But the subsequent governor Robert Casey killed the idea and committed to more highways. I so wish this would come to be but it must be entirely new right of way at least from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh.
What about the conflict with grade crossings and the inevitable accidents? Have you considered in the cost of dedicated high-speed rail right of ways across PA or are we sharing rails with existing rails? By now you have heard about the Brightline Florida accident involving a firetruck ignoring the gates and signals with disastrous results! I would love to see it happen as you describe, but there are too many dodos driving vehicles to make if happen.
@@robertlute3794 my understanding is the number of grade crossings were greatly reduced more recently. HSR upgrades would definitely warrant full separation. Florida's situation with existing infrastructure and the driving culture around crossings is...notable.
A high speed line between Philadephia and Pittsburgh would be nice, but probably not practical for financial reasons. If it were up to me, I would find a way to squeeze it in along the PA turnpike right of way. Since a lot of the PA turnpike utilizes the old South Penn right of way, the grading is more friendly for rail traffic. Also you could eliminate grade crossings. Unfortuantely, you would need to bore a few tunnels along the line for the rail traffic which will eat up a lot of cost. But then offer to have Norfolk Southern as a partner for an opportunity for highspeed intermodal trains, especially overnight or during non peak hours. If successful, Pittsburgh may not need to be the end of line. Continue the service on to Cleveland or Columbus. I know, I know....wishful thinking.
While Rabbit Transit (which is Harrisburg’s new bus system that recently began service), also has another route to Herhsey Park that cuts the time down even more called the Route HP
I missed that Rabbit is now in Harrisburg, though I'm pretty sure that CAT and Rabbit were actually the same company and they just simplified their branding
i hope this becomes a thing, but considering what the political landscape in washington is currently, don't be surprised if this proposal, despite it getting support from 2 major football teams and a major chocolate company, falls flat on the face because of ideological mindfuckery.
Amazin, just Amazin, eh? Dream on chocho fans. I really don't think that NS wants to clutter up its mainline with a bunch of shiny high speed Bullitt trains among is profit making but rather slow freights. They can't go that fast on this row anyhow even with a new fourth track especially for them, too many curves and grades and the ultimate no-no for high speed, grade crossings. Philly, due to its inspired leadership, is a city in decline, having pushed most of its taxpaying citizens and their jobs out to the suburbs and beyond. Pittsburgh, the steel city, has lost most of that industry, and will loose the rest if the merger with Nippon Steel falls through. The other alternative for that would be a government bailout, that ain't gonna happen. Pittsburgh's major industry today is its medical system and its multi-university complex that really doesn't need the trains. Let's look at some better ways to spend the money. It would be nice to connect the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area to Philly but probably a link as far as Allentown would be a start, I believe the row already exists from an abandoned interurban line that went to Norristown and on to Philly. There would be a market for a commuter line from the Scranton/WB to NYC. This would be a commuter service into NYC in the morning and back out in the evening. I believe in doing things organically, start with one train each way and see how it grows. Similarly there used to be service between Harrisburg and Balt./DC and I'm pretty sure that would support a train or two. There is a line existing from Hbg. to Balt. that once had a wire over it. This doesn't connect with Lancaster or York but some arrangement could be made. It might make some sense to extend the Keystone line from Pittsburgh to Cleveland but it needs to go faster, bus service between Philly and Pitt is several hours faster than the train. This would be even neater if there was train service between Buffalo, NY and Chicago that would connect with the Key at Cleveland. Philly needs to build back its trolley routes, I would like to see the Pittsburgh lite rail expanded to the North and East suburbs and a line out to the airport. Philly has a trolley line that ends in sight of the airport but doesn't actually go there. I see this as a way for the very many folks who work at the airport, not realistically for travelers.
@@marcman844 so that Pittsburghers can take a day trip to get a good cheesesteak. Or so Philadelphians can go to Primanti Bros. Or so either can visit Breezewood! Everyone loves Breezewood
@TheHungryTransitFan what does that even mean honestly? It is not a nation state and even if it was there is more economic benefit in connecting with the economies of the north east corridor.
We’d be better served with comprehensive regional and intercity rail from the Susquehanna to the Delaware. Re-building Reading as a hub with Harrisburg-Reading-Philadelphia and Lancaster-Reading-Lehigh Valley would have far greater impact than a duplicate high-speed line, especially considering that those 5 cities/metros alone have damn near half the population of the state and are especially lacking in regional transit.
@ All things considered I think it’s a far less pie-in-the-sky plan, but would probably face a lot more pushback. In an ideal world SRPRA should already be looking at extending service to Harrisburg via the NS Harrisburg mainline, the ROW is already there.
@ on a basic interpretation, I could be completely wrong, but the TEA-21 bill 25 years ago was supposed to address HSR between at least Philly-Harrisburg. See how far we've come 🙃
Something like this would be nice. Heck, I'd settle for moderately useful connectivity between Philly & Pittsburgh. Something under 5 hours & with some frequency.
fr 5hrs is pretty horrendous lol
@@TheTrueZenix, I agree. But baby steps. It's currently listed as being 7+ hours on Amtrak's site. I'd love it to be under 3, but that's probably just a dream.
@@matthewconstantine5015 one can hope!
@@matthewconstantine5015 yeah
Yes, that would be a great start.
As someone very familiar with Pennsylvania, I like this proposal. I would add a Tyrone station though, not because Tyrone itself has the population to justify high-speed rail, but because it should be a transfer point to a shuttle train to nearby State College (where Penn State is). Significantly improving train transit access to State College might come with the added benefit of alleviating the traffic related to Penn State football games…so bad it has gotten national media coverage.
@@RallyingforRail I go through there at times. I'll raise connections at not just Tyrone, but also at Lewistown, so there's one at both ends.
@@TheHungryTransitFan Back in the Penn Central passenger service days If I remember there was a note in their East-West timetable that noted there was a bus connection to State College from the Lewistown station.
Great job on your submission. Good luck!
@@Db_traveler thanks!
I live in State College, I’d love to be able to make use of the Pennsylvanian. There are plans to bring back a second train a day in each direction. Those plans come up in proposals and seem to be forgotten. 2023 comes to mind as the last serious proposal/set of plans that I’ve read about. I don’t read the details, but typically straightening some curves along the route to knock a half hour off the trip are part of the vision.
I visit Philly frequently. Rather than drive thirty minutes to take the Pennsylvanian, I tend to get out the door quite early, do the 90 minute drive to Harrisburg and take the Keystone in. I’m in Philly over two hours before I’d even board the Pennsylvanian and that’s the third train of the morning typically.
I’d love not to have to drive all the way to Harrisburg, but at the end of the day, it’s an easy drive and far better than having to drive into the city. The Keystone Service is very good, it’s exemplary of what we should be focusing on.
Reading to Philly, the Lehigh Valley NYC or Philly. Those are routes that could move a whole lot of people.
High speed rail is a great idea, but we need to relearn how to walk before we can run. The greater Philly region has very good regional rail already I’d love to see it developed further
Born and raised in PA. I go back often. This project is very exciting. I'm really looking forward to seeing how it unfolds.
@@MavonEast oh it's unfolded alright 😂 but there have been more serious similar proposals in the past, it's nice to think about what could be...with a functional Congress and fully funded infrastructure projects
Excellent submission to the "One Line More" contest! Loved all of the humor that made this better than a Stew's News video while maintaining a bit of believability in the proposal. Although Pierogi is always a tasty name, I would vote for Yinz... because that's who we are. I think a source of funding could come from the worldwide train community since this would become a worldwide destination for FOAMERS.
@@stephenkeever6029 thank you! The algorithm just blessed me with Stew's News only this week, I think he does a little better with the biting wit than I can. I'm humbled by the comparison!
I am definitely a Phan of Phis video ;)
“no, NO WE CANNOT HAVE THIS”- NIMBYs
-also PA state gov't 😬
How about the cost.....did you consider that?
Philly is 95 miles from NYC and 97 from Baltimore. Pittsburgh is 120 miles from Cleveland and about 150 from Columbus. Wanna travel between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia? Buy a plane ticket. It takes 30 minutes via air.
@ I did!
@@penguinsfan251that mentality is why we’re behind the rest of the first world when it comes to infrastructure and public transportation. This gives people in the middle of the state a lot of opportunity to enjoy both cities.
Thanks for the video, I needed a good laugh this morning.
@@660Oliver glad I could entertain!
if the us ever builds a proper rail network, there will definitely be an HSR line across the state. it will provide an important connection between the northeast and midwest. that being said i think it probably would follow the I 76 corridor between pittsburgh and harrisburg like in the lucid stew video. this one was a lot of fun though. i like the repurposing old rolling stock. they should do the hershey thing regardless
@@pineapplepizza27 who wouldn't love to take an NHSL car to Hershey Park? Or an old K-car underground to Strasburg? 😂
California is already doing it
Here’s the problem: making the existing corridor even slightly faster would cost a fortune. It would be a much better investment just to build a green-field high speed corridor across the mountains, likely from Pittsburgh to roughly Chambersburg. From there, southern branches would serve Washington and Baltimore while northern branches would serve (via Harrisburg) Philadelphia and New York.
Branch line to Breezewood HAHAHA 🤣
@@djpetesake and specifically needs to stop at the Sheetz. There can be no other acceptable station 😂
if you wanna take a train from philly to get primanti bros, you COULD take a medium speed keystone to lancaster where there is a primanit bros location a mile or so from lancaster station.
@@pineapplepizza27 I had considered that, but had to go for full authenticity
I like to see how a Scranton would connect to Buffalo, NYC, and Philadelphia via Allentown.
That would be another good one for the wish list!
Don’t forget: Washington-Baltimore-Harrisburg-Scranton-Binghamton-Albany-Montreal.
@@jonathanstensberg A train Washington-Wilmington-Scranton-Syracuse would be called the Joe Biden, connecting where he works, where he lives, where he was born, and where he went to school
What if we bypass all the big towns in favor of smaller side towns.. That way We gots Mo coverage for the new house poor
Ok this is really cool! An super high production value imo. I think it's a sweet proposal regardless of funding. I for one wish the PIEROGI L was real. Also I don't know if it's fair to compare a 90 minute "wheels up to wheels down" flight when not factoring in security lines (which could be a few minutes or hours) on top of any potential baggage.
This is a great video and we'll put together. Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for your kind words!
I certainly agree that this could be a great city center connection in FAR better time than going to an airport...I just wish the people controlling the purse strings would agree!
Don't forget the new station along the mainline at Mount Union to access the restored East Broad Top Railroad!
going to Altoona, but not having a stop at state college?
Someone else mentioned a branch line in Tyrone to lead to State College, not a bad idea. I'm collecting ideas for expanded fantasy lines in PA, so that may be something in the future!
Can I ask you a question. How about the New York to Scranton projects? Can you updates on that?
@@jimkelton4052 I'm not so informed to offer actual updates on it, but I'm sure there are great folks on here and other outlets who are!
@TheHungryTransitFan Thank you anyway.
This would be a very good corridor! I do think it's a little more likely down the line that we would see the Keystone Corridor extended and electrified all the way to Pittsburgh though. It wouldn't be 165MPH+ but I have a feeling that a rebuilt Main Line could be built to carry 125MPH+ traffic and the Keystone service would just overtake the Pennsylvanian and provide more daily Roundtrips. It would be a good reason to get a cafe' car back on the Keystone, too!
This would never happen in regards to funding lol, nice idea tho. What would the ridership projections numbers really be?
@@ViewsFromJames Metrodreamin' says 19.3 million
@@TheHungryTransitFanthat is a dream
@@penguinsfan251 so is Congress and the PA state house funding it 😂
I just happened to come across this video and watched it. It would very cool to just to travel between Brotherly Love and The Steel City in just over 2 hours from one side of PA to the other by train. A Busy Norfolk Southern Line from Harrisburg and points west could slow them down. Norfolk Southern from Harrisburg and on east go towards Hershey, Reading, Pottstown, Norristown and so on. Some towards Morrisville (near Trenton NJ) and some toward Philly. It doesn’t affect the Paradise to Strasburg part of the route ran by Amtrak instead. So whether you are craving Eat n Park in Pittsburgh to Wawa in Philadelphia, you get to try out different places and then maybe even be able to return right back on the same day at that speed. There are no Wawa convenience stores out in western PA while there are no Eat N Park’s restaurants in Eastern PA. leave at 8am from Philly, be in Pittsburgh at 10am. Leave Pittsburgh at 4:00pm and you are back in Philly at 6pm is like giving you a whole 6 hours on the other side of the state.
@@jonathanrinda7171 oooh I hadn't even thought about Eat'n Park. We'll work in a promo, show a Commonwealth Connector ticket for a free smiley face cookie!
They’ve been talking about trains like this like since the day I was born 45 years ago
I hope this actually happens,
but this is the United States, so we’ll all be dead and buried for a long time before this actually starts
@@TomisaLami 🎯
Pittsburgh to Philadelphia high-speed rail won't be cheap because of the need to overcome the hilly topography of much of the state.
Thanks for this wish list of service for Pennsylvania. I knew it was a fun just wish list when you added those connecting lines. We can’t even get a station at Paradise junction with Amtrak as is. So a low ridership direct line to Strasburg would not ever be built. However we can always hope the state and federal government could consider upgrading a true high speed line between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Although it may be hard to electrify and use the existing route beyond Harrisburg due to the heavy freight traffic Norfolk Southern runs on this route and the cost to either provide a new right of way with tunnels through the mountain areas. It also would make sense try to serve State College directly on any new right of way due to that being a likely heavily used station with fast easy service from both Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. That also would help the area since air service is only regional flights and at high cost. Not to mention the service would also be heavenly used for the big football games Penn State hosts every year. But I do realize that again the chance of this happening is small due to the cost to build even an upgraded electrified existing route.
@@johnchambers8528 I breezed through it, but it was fun to imagine Strasburg as an underground trolley 😂
Imagine how many folks from NJ, Philly, and points west would use a service straight to Beaver Stadium on game days vs an hours-long drive. Even non-game days could be useful!
Has anyone asked Norfolk Southern about the use of their trackage? Heck, we can't even get passenger service from Philly to Reading.
bring back conrail if they won't play ball
@@Decopunk1927 would be nice if they followed the passenger rail rules 😂
@@Decopunk1927 Hate to break it too you Conrail was no fan of passenger trains either.
@@JBB4118 The ideal setup for Conrail 2 Electric Boogaloo would be as a freight counterpart to Amtrak, two sides of the same coin, both run by a United States Railroad Authority
@@Decopunk1927 So just take someone's property without consent?
The ONLY way to get HSR is to build new and that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Two words: pipe dream. Oh, two more: Cash cow.
I'll settle for _any_ public transit to Strasburg. It makes no sense that the Strasburg Station has zero public transit to it and it's not even _in_ Strasburg. It's like a mile east of it. (That might be how it got the name of East Strasburg.) I love the Strasburg Railroad, but my goodness, it takes 3 hours to drive from Allentown to Strasburg and half of that time is spent going around crashed cars. Literally every time. Someone please build a line connecting Allentown with Strasburg.
@@Trainfan1055Janathan the untapped potential of connecting us foamers to Strasburg cannot be underestimated
Back in the 1980’s , Pennsylvania’s governor, Richard Thornburg, a republican, was a big proponent of a trans - Pennsylvania high speed rail line. But the subsequent governor Robert Casey killed the idea and committed to more highways. I so wish this would come to be but it must be entirely new right of way at least from Harrisburg to Pittsburgh.
What about the conflict with grade crossings and the inevitable accidents? Have you considered in the cost of dedicated high-speed rail right of ways across PA or are we sharing rails with existing rails? By now you have heard about the Brightline Florida accident involving a firetruck ignoring the gates and signals with disastrous results! I would love to see it happen as you describe, but there are too many dodos driving vehicles to make if happen.
@@robertlute3794 my understanding is the number of grade crossings were greatly reduced more recently. HSR upgrades would definitely warrant full separation.
Florida's situation with existing infrastructure and the driving culture around crossings is...notable.
The future of high speed rail in PA....is very grim
@@guyz7777 😂
"PIEROGI", eh? Hahahahahaha - Dziękuję
A high speed line between Philadephia and Pittsburgh would be nice, but probably not practical for financial reasons. If it were up to me, I would find a way to squeeze it in along the PA turnpike right of way. Since a lot of the PA turnpike utilizes the old South Penn right of way, the grading is more friendly for rail traffic. Also you could eliminate grade crossings. Unfortuantely, you would need to bore a few tunnels along the line for the rail traffic which will eat up a lot of cost. But then offer to have Norfolk Southern as a partner for an opportunity for highspeed intermodal trains, especially overnight or during non peak hours. If successful, Pittsburgh may not need to be the end of line. Continue the service on to Cleveland or Columbus.
I know, I know....wishful thinking.
@@robertwillhite9077 oh, the possibilities with a Philly-Columbus HSR connection!
I like "average speed" rail
While Rabbit Transit (which is Harrisburg’s new bus system that recently began service), also has another route to Herhsey Park that cuts the time down even more called the Route HP
I missed that Rabbit is now in Harrisburg, though I'm pretty sure that CAT and Rabbit were actually the same company and they just simplified their branding
Actually you had the sandwiches backwards the cheese steak belongs in Philly. Other wise a good video.
@@robertwshephard4454 yes, my pitch is that someone in Pittsburgh may take a day trip for a cheese steak 🤤🤤
i hope this becomes a thing, but considering what the political landscape in washington is currently, don't be surprised if this proposal, despite it getting support from 2 major football teams and a major chocolate company, falls flat on the face because of ideological mindfuckery.
Amazin, just Amazin, eh? Dream on chocho fans. I really don't think that NS wants to clutter up its mainline with a bunch of shiny high speed Bullitt trains among is profit making but rather slow freights. They can't go that fast on this row anyhow even with a new fourth track especially for them, too many curves and grades and the ultimate no-no for high speed, grade crossings. Philly, due to its inspired leadership, is a city in decline, having pushed most of its taxpaying citizens and their jobs out to the suburbs and beyond. Pittsburgh, the steel city, has lost most of that industry, and will loose the rest if the merger with Nippon Steel falls through. The other alternative for that would be a government bailout, that ain't gonna happen. Pittsburgh's major industry today is its medical system and its multi-university complex that really doesn't need the trains. Let's look at some better ways to spend the money.
It would be nice to connect the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre area to Philly but probably a link as far as Allentown would be a start, I believe the row already exists from an abandoned interurban line that went to Norristown and on to Philly. There would be a market for a commuter line from the Scranton/WB to NYC. This would be a commuter service into NYC in the morning and back out in the evening. I believe in doing things organically, start with one train each way and see how it grows. Similarly there used to be service between Harrisburg and Balt./DC and I'm pretty sure that would support a train or two. There is a line existing from Hbg. to Balt. that once had a wire over it. This doesn't connect with Lancaster or York but some arrangement could be made. It might make some sense to extend the Keystone line from Pittsburgh to Cleveland but it needs to go faster, bus service between Philly and Pitt is several hours faster than the train. This would be even neater if there was train service between Buffalo, NY and Chicago that would connect with the Key at Cleveland. Philly needs to build back its trolley routes, I would like to see the Pittsburgh lite rail expanded to the North and East suburbs and a line out to the airport. Philly has a trolley line that ends in sight of the airport but doesn't actually go there. I see this as a way for the very many folks who work at the airport, not realistically for travelers.
Cash cow. Rail lines just suck up taxpayer dollars and serve just a limited clientele; why should my tax dollars support this.
@@marcman844 so that Pittsburghers can take a day trip to get a good cheesesteak. Or so Philadelphians can go to Primanti Bros. Or so either can visit Breezewood! Everyone loves Breezewood
Pittsburgh? seems rather small for such massive investment when even NYC to Philadelphia don't have HSR and are economic powers
@@walawala-fo7ds have to connect the Commonwealth
@TheHungryTransitFan what does that even mean honestly? It is not a nation state and even if it was there is more economic benefit in connecting with the economies of the north east corridor.
@ it's a dated English phrase. But it's important to connect the Commonwealth's two largest cities, mainly so that I can use the fun, catchy name.
We’d be better served with comprehensive regional and intercity rail from the Susquehanna to the Delaware. Re-building Reading as a hub with Harrisburg-Reading-Philadelphia and Lancaster-Reading-Lehigh Valley would have far greater impact than a duplicate high-speed line, especially considering that those 5 cities/metros alone have damn near half the population of the state and are especially lacking in regional transit.
@@jg-qj7ts could you imagine? That would be wonderful. Perhaps that might become a future fantasy map
@ All things considered I think it’s a far less pie-in-the-sky plan, but would probably face a lot more pushback. In an ideal world SRPRA should already be looking at extending service to Harrisburg via the NS Harrisburg mainline, the ROW is already there.
@ on a basic interpretation, I could be completely wrong, but the TEA-21 bill 25 years ago was supposed to address HSR between at least Philly-Harrisburg. See how far we've come 🙃
@ at least they worked on grade crossings