@@VolonidPlusi dont think it was that kind of story The Mangka said they didn't wanted it no revenge story or where people getting what they deserve It was a story of redemption and finding a reason to live If you read the manga you will know both mc more deeply Movie is great but should definitely check out Manga if like to know characters more
For a great movie, my ONLY complaint was those "Friends" who did NOT deserve redemption. They did absolutely nothing to even show they deserved to be friends with Shoya and Shouko. Naoka, Miki, and Kazuki not being a part of the group towards the end would have had ZERO effect on the ending in my opinion. If anything, it would have made things better for Shoya if he confronted ALL of them and made them back off and leave him and Shouko alone for good. . . But no, he's gotta be the one to redeem himself despite not being the only person to have bullied Shouko, and a "good" ending is I guess they all have grown up and forgiven each other. My literal only complaint. I really wish those ""friends" got a taste of their own medicine, but sadly Shoya got the short end of the stick.
I think you didn't understand the manga(or maybe you haven't read it). Shoko still wanted to be friends with the others, yes, even Naoka, as if the bullying didn't happen. Everytime Shoya starts to become possesive of Shoko it's really due to him not really understanding her. In fact, most of the characters that are protective of Shoko assume that she never understands what's going on around them unless somebody signs it to her, but the Author explicitly states that that is not true. In fact, shoko is often shown to be even better at interpreting and understanding others than even the ones who can hear. Which is why she hugs Kawai back in her chapter, she knows that Kawai is really talking to herself as much as she is to Shoko. Sahara assumes that Shoko didn't hear her but that's simply not the case and we have clues to support it like when Yuzu explained to Shoko after they got home everything that happened at the bridge and all Shoko did was unenthusiastically say 'thanks' and then get up. She's not completely deaf, and even if she can't hear a thing, she can still read the room and it is probably her disability which causes her to be so good at it. Then there's Shoya's friends. The irony of Naoka trying to get Shoya and Shimada back together is that Shoya has been doing the exact same thing with Shoko. He doesn't want to forgive them. But Shoko forgave him.
Agreed. I read the manga today and although I have rated it a 10/10, I don't agree with it's philosophy that everyone deserves to be forgiven, especially, ESPECIALLY people like Naoka. I personally don't have issues with Miki (even though I hate her) but the fact Naoka was just forgiven and became friends with shoko and sahara, while absolutely doing nothing to redeem herself, really gets on my nerves.
@@aqup_ Shoko wanted to forgive Naoka. Well, she didn't really think she was in the wrong, but she said herself that she thought Naoka was the only one to understand her. And fromt he time Naoka receives the letter, up until Shoya falls, they appear to get on good terms. The manga doesn't explicitly show it beyond a simple wink that Naoka gives to Shoya but you have to understand that the manga is written almost entirely from Shoya's largely jaded perspective.
It was difficult to believe a former friend/acquaintance group reforming so fluidly like that. It’s like no one wanted to be back together but they had to to push the story along.
Right?! Man this girl got me so angry because of this poor girl facade, such bull, hate people like that who turns into the victim just to escape being blamed
Agree. In the Manga Miki is much more unlikable than Ueno in my opinion. Though Ueno is a terrible person, but at least she's honest about it in high school. But in Mikis case, even in her high school years she's just denying everything and is putting the blame on Shoya and the others, even on the bridge she still wants to be the one in the absolute right. I mean, instead of sincerely apologizing and accepting that she is not a perfect angel and she also is in the wrong like anybody else, she just tells Shoya not to bully people if he wants to be liked, that's such a stupid argument to say in this situation. As someone who just finished the Manga, it's really cool talk about this character that I see as the most annoying in A Silent Voice.
SAME, I absolutely hated her, I really didn't like that like almost all the kids who bullied Shouko got redeemed, when they arent trying to do so in the first place. The part when Miki was being defended made me so angry, I never wanted to see her on screen because of how irritating she was everytime she caused a problem.
Isn’t it wild how we all shared this same experience that the author intended myself included that the one character who infuriated everyone was Miki. This movie really gave me some flashbacks.
Shoya only bullied shoko becaude he saw everyone else do it - everyone, the students and the homeroom teacher, that it was a huge burden for them to evolve their lives + cater to shoko because of her disability. Like if shoko was to be involved, everyone had to either write in her book or just simply learn sign language. The homeroom teacher sets the mood + mutters how it was unnecessary, the entire class were against the idea about it, too. Then the moment someone took interest, they didn't want to feel bad for not trying - so they bullied the one person who was genuiely interested (she even learned it, inspite shoko no longer bejng in her life after transfering) No one wanted to feel guilty or to be blamed, so it was easier to out cast shoko cause evovling themselves with her would mean it was "too much effort" + shoya saw that everyone was tired of her, so he made an a** out of himself to "lighten" the mood. Sure, he got a laugh out of everyone, but it genuiely went too far. But no one stopped shoya, some even participated because they were just getting a good laugh out of it. I feel the lesson was to take responsibility for your own actions - but i also feel like they should've taught "not everyone can be forgiven - nor do they change" cause no one apologized to shoko. Shoya changed cause he felt awful the moment he was in her shoes + the consequences of actions not only affected him, but his mother too. What about everyone else? Do they even know what she went through? What shoya went through? They probably didn't even think twice or even go "did what we did all those years ago really effect you like that? I had no idea" even if they sympathized + empathized, they should of had their moments of either feeling what shoko/shoya felt or realize they were never gonna change - so they didn't deserve to be forgiveness or at least, not be part of their lives anymore + moving forward
No. In the manga he shouts in her ear the moment she sits down after her introduction. But yeah, he does also notice that everyone gets tired of her. In the case of Naoka, she felt incredibly thankless despite being the one helping Shoko the most. And I mean, Shoko's presence really did disrupt the classroom. I think the teacher really just wished she would have gone to a special school that was actually suited for her, but her mother insisted that she'd go to normal classes (and shoko wanted to do it as well). I think the teacher just ended up being really irritated with Shoko's mother, there's clues that indicate that that is the case. I mean, her mom comes across as a bit of a battle-axe and he probably had to deal with her on more than one occasion. Also, it was not "the moment he was in her shoes". He continued to despise her until she left. And if we go back to the teacher, considering some of the things people say about wanting the others to feel the consequences, doesn't that make the teacher correct then when he says that all the trouble Shoya went through ended up being good for him? (I'm not saying I believe that. It's a purely socratic question)
bro I literally hated EVERYONE except for shoyo, shoko and that green haired guy. His ex "friends" didn't deserve apologies, they were just plain evil. Especially miki and noaka
Ngl I know Ueno was bad when I watched the movie but so was Miki. Only difference is that Ueno was up front and straight forward with her dislike towards Shoko while Miki acts as if she could do no wrong and victimizes herself once called out on it. Even when they got older she still placed blame on Shoya for bullying Shoko and whenever I think about it, I wonder did anyone else besides Shoya apologized or at least reflected on what they did wrong when they were kids? Unless they did it off screen, I'm convinced that they never thought that they were in the wrong even years later
Shoyas childhood friends, the boys. They didn't do nothing but turn on him. And they did nothing to make up for it but get him from the water? They still fake AF tbh
I honestly think her complicity in the bullying of Shoko is the least of her problems. She's extremely insecure and it's almost like she doesn't actually have any opinions of her own (especially when it comes to Satoshi). Maybe she was being honest when she said that she was too scared to scold Shoya because she thought he'd bully her as well, it's definitely understandable. But I think she was also really scared of losing the validation of her friends by going against them. Kawai is a person who sees herself through the eyes of others. This can probably lead to some serious self-loathing. If she perceives enough people hating her, then she will probably start to hate herself. That being said, she does seem to change in some way by the end. Whereas before she was always very diplomatic and mild to everyone and especially to Naoka whenever she did something mean, she becomes much more assertive and combative by the end, at least toward Naoka, which is probably the attitude she should have had when she was in elementary school. I'm serious. Compare Kawai from 6th grade to the one at the culture festival, the one who aggressively scolds Naoka when she makes a rude remark. Do you think the Kawai from elementary would have done anything close to that?
for the ppl who are watching this in 2024 : Do u guys get that Sense of emptiness , loneliness and sadness after watching this ( OR LITERALLY ANY SAD ANIME !) Like i think about this for weeks and months . i wish i could delete that sense of emptiness right after i watch an anime.....Like if u agree and be sure to reply !
Oh please. If any character was the worst in the anime, it was Naoka. I don't recall seeing Miki being mean to Shouko at all. Ya'll are just as mean as Shouya was.
at least naoka knew she was flat out terrible and admitted to her faults, she never once tried to put on a stupid pitiful victim act the way miki did . at no point did miki take any responsibility for her own actions, she was just as morally complicit in the bullying except she also had the nerve to cry and play wounded dog when the consequences came around
@@davidwallgren7575 can you read i said morally complicit. the entire point of having a character as self-unaware and vain as miki was to demonstrate that being complicit in and encouraging bullying still makes you a shit person, nevermind whether she actually ever ripped out nishimiyas hearing aids or slapped her around. on top of that; constantly victimising herself, shifting the blame on others, and playing the pitiful girl act to get out of any real consequences without seeing any fault or feeling any regret with what she did, shes not a redeemable character in the slightest. i know naoko sucks but by no means was miki a good person. she quite literally has no sympathy for anyone other than herself, makes no effort to be better because she isnt even capable of seeing her own faults shes disgusting in that she doesnt have the courage to be a flat out dick and it extends towards her having no courage to admit her own wrongdoings
I really hate the fact that she get no consequences for her actions
Same
its just realistic...
Sometimes terrible people just aren’t punished for a long time or even ever. It’s how cruel the world is
@@VolonidPlusYeah, however, only god knows when will he punish or when will they be punished
@@VolonidPlusi dont think it was that kind of story
The Mangka said they didn't wanted it no revenge story or where people getting what they deserve
It was a story of redemption and finding a reason to live
If you read the manga you will know both mc more deeply
Movie is great but should definitely check out Manga if like to know characters more
The best character on the pther hand is that Short green haired guy. He's the reason my man Shoua's alive
You're forgetting Sahara . Shoko's only friend from elementary school.
hes the greatest friend
Fat Mineta
@samulrd Do NOT compare him to Mineta lol.
@@samulrdbetter mineta
For a great movie, my ONLY complaint was those "Friends" who did NOT deserve redemption. They did absolutely nothing to even show they deserved to be friends with Shoya and Shouko. Naoka, Miki, and Kazuki not being a part of the group towards the end would have had ZERO effect on the ending in my opinion. If anything, it would have made things better for Shoya if he confronted ALL of them and made them back off and leave him and Shouko alone for good. . . But no, he's gotta be the one to redeem himself despite not being the only person to have bullied Shouko, and a "good" ending is I guess they all have grown up and forgiven each other. My literal only complaint. I really wish those ""friends" got a taste of their own medicine, but sadly Shoya got the short end of the stick.
I think you didn't understand the manga(or maybe you haven't read it). Shoko still wanted to be friends with the others, yes, even Naoka, as if the bullying didn't happen. Everytime Shoya starts to become possesive of Shoko it's really due to him not really understanding her. In fact, most of the characters that are protective of Shoko assume that she never understands what's going on around them unless somebody signs it to her, but the Author explicitly states that that is not true. In fact, shoko is often shown to be even better at interpreting and understanding others than even the ones who can hear. Which is why she hugs Kawai back in her chapter, she knows that Kawai is really talking to herself as much as she is to Shoko. Sahara assumes that Shoko didn't hear her but that's simply not the case and we have clues to support it like when Yuzu explained to Shoko after they got home everything that happened at the bridge and all Shoko did was unenthusiastically say 'thanks' and then get up. She's not completely deaf, and even if she can't hear a thing, she can still read the room and it is probably her disability which causes her to be so good at it.
Then there's Shoya's friends. The irony of Naoka trying to get Shoya and Shimada back together is that Shoya has been doing the exact same thing with Shoko. He doesn't want to forgive them. But Shoko forgave him.
Facts
Agreed. I read the manga today and although I have rated it a 10/10, I don't agree with it's philosophy that everyone deserves to be forgiven, especially, ESPECIALLY people like Naoka. I personally don't have issues with Miki (even though I hate her) but the fact Naoka was just forgiven and became friends with shoko and sahara, while absolutely doing nothing to redeem herself, really gets on my nerves.
@@aqup_ Shoko wanted to forgive Naoka. Well, she didn't really think she was in the wrong, but she said herself that she thought Naoka was the only one to understand her. And fromt he time Naoka receives the letter, up until Shoya falls, they appear to get on good terms. The manga doesn't explicitly show it beyond a simple wink that Naoka gives to Shoya but you have to understand that the manga is written almost entirely from Shoya's largely jaded perspective.
It was difficult to believe a former friend/acquaintance group reforming so fluidly like that. It’s like no one wanted to be back together but they had to to push the story along.
Man I love that bridge scene, Ishida just slapped tf outta them all with reality.
Finally someone who thought the same
Right?! Man this girl got me so angry because of this poor girl facade, such bull, hate people like that who turns into the victim just to escape being blamed
@@Julio_Cezar1604 shifting the blame onto others just because you think you're not wrong is a bitch move fr
FR she had the victim personality and seeing what she did without getting caught always pissed me off
Finally! I hate that girl so much!
@@izurokamakura4778 who doesn't lol
I watched the movie, then read the manga. Ueno comes out more sympathetic in the manga. Miki comes out worse.
Agree. In the Manga Miki is much more unlikable than Ueno in my opinion. Though Ueno is a terrible person, but at least she's honest about it in high school. But in Mikis case, even in her high school years she's just denying everything and is putting the blame on Shoya and the others, even on the bridge she still wants to be the one in the absolute right. I mean, instead of sincerely apologizing and accepting that she is not a perfect angel and she also is in the wrong like anybody else, she just tells Shoya not to bully people if he wants to be liked, that's such a stupid argument to say in this situation. As someone who just finished the Manga, it's really cool talk about this character that I see as the most annoying in A Silent Voice.
SAME, I absolutely hated her, I really didn't like that like almost all the kids who bullied Shouko got redeemed, when they arent trying to do so in the first place. The part when Miki was being defended made me so angry, I never wanted to see her on screen because of how irritating she was everytime she caused a problem.
What makes you think the kids got redeemed?
Goes to show how keeping up appearances work .
Isn’t it wild how we all shared this same experience that the author intended myself included that the one character who infuriated everyone was Miki. This movie really gave me some flashbacks.
Shoya only bullied shoko becaude he saw everyone else do it - everyone, the students and the homeroom teacher, that it was a huge burden for them to evolve their lives + cater to shoko because of her disability. Like if shoko was to be involved, everyone had to either write in her book or just simply learn sign language.
The homeroom teacher sets the mood + mutters how it was unnecessary, the entire class were against the idea about it, too.
Then the moment someone took interest, they didn't want to feel bad for not trying - so they bullied the one person who was genuiely interested (she even learned it, inspite shoko no longer bejng in her life after transfering)
No one wanted to feel guilty or to be blamed, so it was easier to out cast shoko cause evovling themselves with her would mean it was "too much effort" + shoya saw that everyone was tired of her, so he made an a** out of himself to "lighten" the mood.
Sure, he got a laugh out of everyone, but it genuiely went too far. But no one stopped shoya, some even participated because they were just getting a good laugh out of it.
I feel the lesson was to take responsibility for your own actions - but i also feel like they should've taught "not everyone can be forgiven - nor do they change" cause no one apologized to shoko. Shoya changed cause he felt awful the moment he was in her shoes + the consequences of actions not only affected him, but his mother too.
What about everyone else? Do they even know what she went through? What shoya went through? They probably didn't even think twice or even go "did what we did all those years ago really effect you like that? I had no idea" even if they sympathized + empathized, they should of had their moments of either feeling what shoko/shoya felt or realize they were never gonna change - so they didn't deserve to be forgiveness or at least, not be part of their lives anymore + moving forward
No. In the manga he shouts in her ear the moment she sits down after her introduction. But yeah, he does also notice that everyone gets tired of her. In the case of Naoka, she felt incredibly thankless despite being the one helping Shoko the most. And I mean, Shoko's presence really did disrupt the classroom. I think the teacher really just wished she would have gone to a special school that was actually suited for her, but her mother insisted that she'd go to normal classes (and shoko wanted to do it as well). I think the teacher just ended up being really irritated with Shoko's mother, there's clues that indicate that that is the case. I mean, her mom comes across as a bit of a battle-axe and he probably had to deal with her on more than one occasion.
Also, it was not "the moment he was in her shoes". He continued to despise her until she left. And if we go back to the teacher, considering some of the things people say about wanting the others to feel the consequences, doesn't that make the teacher correct then when he says that all the trouble Shoya went through ended up being good for him? (I'm not saying I believe that. It's a purely socratic question)
The author really created a great commentary about bullying in schools, and bullying in general.
I am glad that this movie (and the manga by extensions) still is being talked about years later.
Negatively but your right I’m glad too
@anime_world6684 not really negatively
@@kingseb2252
Actually yes
@etam8099 no it's not all ive heard is good things about the movie
@@etam8099 so actually no
FINALLY!!!! SOMEONE WHO ALSO THOUGHT SHE WAS AWFUL!!! GOD I HATED HER!!
bro I literally hated EVERYONE except for shoyo, shoko and that green haired guy. His ex "friends" didn't deserve apologies, they were just plain evil. Especially miki and noaka
Please tell me you're aren't referring to Miyoko too ☹️.. (The tall girl with short hair [If you didn't remember])
@@Reddyicecream No I forgave her in the end
you made me rewatch a silent voice... i cried once again, it's inevitable, how many times i watch it
i hate how quickly she chose to blame mc
At least she doen't exist, though it is possible many like her do
Ngl I know Ueno was bad when I watched the movie but so was Miki. Only difference is that Ueno was up front and straight forward with her dislike towards Shoko while Miki acts as if she could do no wrong and victimizes herself once called out on it. Even when they got older she still placed blame on Shoya for bullying Shoko and whenever I think about it, I wonder did anyone else besides Shoya apologized or at least reflected on what they did wrong when they were kids? Unless they did it off screen, I'm convinced that they never thought that they were in the wrong even years later
Shoyas childhood friends, the boys. They didn't do nothing but turn on him. And they did nothing to make up for it but get him from the water? They still fake AF tbh
I honestly think her complicity in the bullying of Shoko is the least of her problems. She's extremely insecure and it's almost like she doesn't actually have any opinions of her own (especially when it comes to Satoshi). Maybe she was being honest when she said that she was too scared to scold Shoya because she thought he'd bully her as well, it's definitely understandable. But I think she was also really scared of losing the validation of her friends by going against them. Kawai is a person who sees herself through the eyes of others. This can probably lead to some serious self-loathing. If she perceives enough people hating her, then she will probably start to hate herself.
That being said, she does seem to change in some way by the end. Whereas before she was always very diplomatic and mild to everyone and especially to Naoka whenever she did something mean, she becomes much more assertive and combative by the end, at least toward Naoka, which is probably the attitude she should have had when she was in elementary school.
I'm serious. Compare Kawai from 6th grade to the one at the culture festival, the one who aggressively scolds Naoka when she makes a rude remark. Do you think the Kawai from elementary would have done anything close to that?
that doesn't give her any right to falsely accuse others and blame shoya for everything. The worst bitch I ever seen.
Who wants to punch Miki if y’all were in the anime? Cause I do.
I understand what you exactly feel
I've found a lot of people like Miki in my environment and yes, they are annoying and mostly women.
for the ppl who are watching this in 2024 :
Do u guys get that Sense of emptiness , loneliness and sadness after watching this ( OR LITERALLY ANY SAD ANIME !) Like i think about this for weeks and months . i wish i could delete that sense of emptiness right after i watch an anime.....Like if u agree and be sure to reply !
90% of the characters suck for their own individual reasons
It deserved an animation academy award. Screw corporate Disney n Pixar etc.
nagatsuka is GOATED
I remember watching this movie when I was 9 and I loved it but Naoka got on my nerves with her bullying but Miki is WORSE
Agreed
I liked the video and all the points just feel like you overstated how bad she was.
Truly one of the best
Videos
Same
Mahito if he was human girl
i hated her so much. but i can’t lie. her character development was done so well
nice viddddddddddddddddddddddd
i dont like anime but this movie is truly aomething else
The worst character is Nao imo
Oh please. If any character was the worst in the anime, it was Naoka. I don't recall seeing Miki being mean to Shouko at all. Ya'll are just as mean as Shouya was.
Being mean to shouko is everything? Being a awfull person is itself is more important
@@no_one683 Can't you read or think?
at least naoka knew she was flat out terrible and admitted to her faults, she never once tried to put on a stupid pitiful victim act the way miki did . at no point did miki take any responsibility for her own actions, she was just as morally complicit in the bullying except she also had the nerve to cry and play wounded dog when the consequences came around
@@royzies Uh can't you read? When did Miki ACTUALLY bully Shouko?
@@davidwallgren7575 can you read i said morally complicit. the entire point of having a character as self-unaware and vain as miki was to demonstrate that being complicit in and encouraging bullying still makes you a shit person, nevermind whether she actually ever ripped out nishimiyas hearing aids or slapped her around. on top of that; constantly victimising herself, shifting the blame on others, and playing the pitiful girl act to get out of any real consequences without seeing any fault or feeling any regret with what she did, shes not a redeemable character in the slightest. i know naoko sucks but by no means was miki a good person. she quite literally has no sympathy for anyone other than herself, makes no effort to be better because she isnt even capable of seeing her own faults shes disgusting in that she doesnt have the courage to be a flat out dick and it extends towards her having no courage to admit her own wrongdoings