I hate Miki so much because there are so many people like her in real life who get away with their awful behavior and are never willing to learn because of their own ego. If Miki ever dated, I could only imagine how stressful it would be for the other person who has to deal with her toxicity
@@Stroviali dont think it was that kind of story The Mangka said they didn't wanted it no revenge story or where people getting what they deserve It was a story of redemption and finding a reason to live If you read the manga you will know both mc more deeply Movie is great but should definitely check out Manga if like to know characters more
I hate her. But. From a writing POV, she's amazing. She's so realistic to the trash we have to deal with irl. When ur in these type of situations. These are the type of people involved.
And about the fact that after all she gets away with everything in the movie and is included in the group, which a lot of people are angered about in the comments, yeah, that is sadly how life quite often works. The people who are acting like angels in front of others, but have hell on their mind, most of the time don't get recognized as what they truly are and get defended and never have to own up to the bs they are doing. So this is a very real thing.
she could've been a good character if she had any kind of character growth or if she existed for any purpose other than causing drama (when there was already a much more compelling source of drama and conflict in shouko's family) but alas the same applies to ueno
Miki is realistic because she's your typical bystander, she represents most people who will allow bad things to happen to someone and feign ignorance/innocence when challenged. She is relatable because she could easily be you or me if we let our egos go unchecked. It is also why we can all relate to having interacted with a lot of people like her. Let's be real, I think there's a Miki in all of us. You're more likely to interact with a Miki irl anywhere you go, whereas someone like Ueno you'd only interact with in prison, unless you are really unlucky, then you have to deal with their abuse irl. I get why people would hate Miki her the most compared to all the other characters, but honestly I think it is pretty dishonest to say that of all the bad characters we get she's the worst.
For a great movie, my ONLY complaint was those "Friends" who did NOT deserve redemption. They did absolutely nothing to even show they deserved to be friends with Shoya and Shouko. Naoka, Miki, and Kazuki not being a part of the group towards the end would have had ZERO effect on the ending in my opinion. If anything, it would have made things better for Shoya if he confronted ALL of them and made them back off and leave him and Shouko alone for good. . . But no, he's gotta be the one to redeem himself despite not being the only person to have bullied Shouko, and a "good" ending is I guess they all have grown up and forgiven each other. My literal only complaint. I really wish those ""friends" got a taste of their own medicine, but sadly Shoya got the short end of the stick.
I think you didn't understand the manga(or maybe you haven't read it). Shoko still wanted to be friends with the others, yes, even Naoka, as if the bullying didn't happen. Everytime Shoya starts to become possesive of Shoko it's really due to him not really understanding her. In fact, most of the characters that are protective of Shoko assume that she never understands what's going on around them unless somebody signs it to her, but the Author explicitly states that that is not true. In fact, shoko is often shown to be even better at interpreting and understanding others than even the ones who can hear. Which is why she hugs Kawai back in her chapter, she knows that Kawai is really talking to herself as much as she is to Shoko. Sahara assumes that Shoko didn't hear her but that's simply not the case and we have clues to support it like when Yuzu explained to Shoko after they got home everything that happened at the bridge and all Shoko did was unenthusiastically say 'thanks' and then get up. She's not completely deaf, and even if she can't hear a thing, she can still read the room and it is probably her disability which causes her to be so good at it. Then there's Shoya's friends. The irony of Naoka trying to get Shoya and Shimada back together is that Shoya has been doing the exact same thing with Shoko. He doesn't want to forgive them. But Shoko forgave him.
@aqup_ Shoko wanted to forgive Naoka. Well, she didn't really think she was in the wrong, but she said herself that she thought Naoka was the only one to understand her. And fromt he time Naoka receives the letter, up until Shoya falls, they appear to get on good terms. The manga doesn't explicitly show it beyond a simple wink that Naoka gives to Shoya but you have to understand that the manga is written almost entirely from Shoya's largely jaded perspective.
It was difficult to believe a former friend/acquaintance group reforming so fluidly like that. It’s like no one wanted to be back together but they had to to push the story along.
I agree with this but I think that near the end, they had somewhat redeemed themselves bc they show that even people that disliked shoya didn’t want him to die. This is shown when kazuki saved shoya from the water when he saved shoko. Also the anime didn’t do a great job explaining this but naoka liked shoya so at least she experienced some crap in the manga. Still an incredible story tho
Kawai Miki's narcissism can be seen in her character design itself; A blond beautiful girl with damn-near zero flaws. She is doing what she can to put up a "perfect-girl-waifu" facade and she fails to do so due to the way she acts.
Ngl I know Ueno was bad when I watched the movie but so was Miki. Only difference is that Ueno was up front and straight forward with her dislike towards Shoko while Miki acts as if she could do no wrong and victimizes herself once called out on it. Even when they got older she still placed blame on Shoya for bullying Shoko and whenever I think about it, I wonder did anyone else besides Shoya apologized or at least reflected on what they did wrong when they were kids? Unless they did it off screen, I'm convinced that they never thought that they were in the wrong even years later
Shoyas childhood friends, the boys. They didn't do nothing but turn on him. And they did nothing to make up for it but get him from the water? They still fake AF tbh
Ueno was a jealous idiot. However for me, Ueno at least, in her own way, redeemed some bit at the end. Even if there were no actual apologies. Shoko also just wanted to leave things behind. But that bitch, Miki, did nothing. She’s the fakest lizard in fiction.
Yea I think the main problem was the teacher more than anyone else. Because he ignore it happening and when he was possibly about to be in trouble for it he shift the blame on the boy. I think the teacher encourage the boy to do it more than anything.
Ueno and Shouko actually made up at some point in the story. Although she still claims that she hates Shouko regardless but is willing to put their differences aside. It was evident when she tried to speak to Shlouko using sign language meaning that she at least put in the time and effort to learn it.
This girl and the first teacher!!! the two tried to cover their ass by accusing the kid and playing the victim/innocent/savior and got no redemption but were supported by others. Not every character will get a redemption arc but it’s still frustrating
The first time I ever saw this movie was in a discord call with friends and when the teacher called out Shoya for bullying and didn’t do the same for the other kids that were clearly bullying Shouko, I unmuted myself and I said “Y’all their teacher freaking sucks” and they all unmuted and agreed
The fact that the teacher never tried to correct shouya or any of the other kid’s bad behavior when it was happening but is so quick to point fingers when confronted made me SO mad. Like what adult let alone an educator does that..
Oh my gosh. Thank you. I hated this fake nice girl even more than the outwardly mean one. She was terrible, but at least she was honest. This girl was like, “I never did anything bad! Why are you saying such mean things?” And then starts crying. Way more annoying.
One thing that strikes hardest about this anime is how reaistic it is, and that includes Miki herself. People simply can get away with cruelty if they are lucky enough
Agree. In the Manga Miki is much more unlikable than Ueno in my opinion. Though Ueno is a terrible person, but at least she's honest about it in high school. But in Mikis case, even in her high school years she's just denying everything and is putting the blame on Shoya and the others, even on the bridge she still wants to be the one in the absolute right. I mean, instead of sincerely apologizing and accepting that she is not a perfect angel and she also is in the wrong like anybody else, she just tells Shoya not to bully people if he wants to be liked, that's such a stupid argument to say in this situation. As someone who just finished the Manga, it's really cool talk about this character that I see as the most annoying in A Silent Voice.
@@DeltaKnight337 Also the way everyone berated Naoka when she got rightfully pissed at Miki. Ueno is terrible, but she still reflects on stuff and acknowledges that her behaviour isn't appropriate. Her concern for Shoya's well being is genuine, and though her blaming Shoko is unwarranted, in the end she admits that although she can't like Shoko, the way she treated Shoko was harsh (it would have been nice if she had said it directly to Shoko instead of telling Shoya, but it's true to her character that she didn't). In fact, in the bridge scene she had tagged along to apologise. Miki on the other hand acts like a righteous saint, when Shoya asked her not to tell Satoshi about his past yet, she gets all horrified and 'heroic' lol. This wasn't her story to tell, she had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it. Shoya was trying to be friends with Satoshi and should have gotten the chance to tell it himself in his own time. The way he was about to puke after Miki outed his secret is just an understatement to the mental trauma Shoya has faced, and Miki was still insensitive about it. Her way of apologising wasn't any better, she basically said "I'm sorry for what I did, but you were the one who caused all this." And Miki acted like she was Shoko's bestie lmao, saying that she was horrified by how everyone made fun of Shoko, and said that Sahara didn't do anything when Naoka made fun of Sahara and Shoko. It's like BITCH SAHARA WAS GETTING BULLIED!! YOU WEREN'T! WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ANYTHING? Even Naoka got annoyed after Miki didn't apologise properly. The only likable thing Miki did was defending the group when Naoka was calling them cringe when they met at Shoya's recovery. Ironically, Naoka was the one who was at the hospital the most, even more than Shoko (tho she didn't let Shoko visit either lol) even sacrificing some of her work shifts to stay by Shoya's side the whole time. Not saying she's a good person or anything, but I love Naoka's character.
I Always felt like Ueno had to have a terrible home life, or other trauma, to be so mean. I felt it the entire time she was on screen and it hurt seeing trauma breed trauma. And I only saw the movie.
@@DeltaKnight337 a teenager isn't a terrible person, they're children stumbling around figuring out how life works and how their actions hurt or help one another. Those are the years that decide and shape the kind of person you WILL be as an adult, so I can't agree with you on Ueno being a terrible person. She's changing, and struggling with it, but still changing. I think it's just a bit unfair to use such strong language for children characters. We give grace to children to learn and grow, it's part of being an adult. The only person Miki is hurting at the end of the movie/manga is herself with her rigidity, there's still hope ofc, there's always hope to change, but it'll be so much harder once she's stuck in her ways and the behaviors she cemented in her teen years. This is a reminder to teenagers: hold each other accountable, self-policing in your age range is crucial to how you'll act and react in the real world.
@@appalachiabrauchfrau First of, you ARE right. Teenager, regardless of what they might think, still children. They are still growing. I fully understand, and that's a really good point. But second, and that's coming from an teenager the same age, Ueno just comes of as a terrible person. I know that she will change in the future and has in the of the manga. The things Ueno did in the story, for me, are things a bad person does. You don't have to be an adult to see that. I know teenagers do stupid stuff, but in my honest opinion, teenagers my and her age should already know that those things are terrible things and to never do those things.
bro I literally hated EVERYONE except for shoyo, shoko and that green haired guy. His ex "friends" didn't deserve apologies, they were just plain evil. Especially miki and noaka
Right?! Man this girl got me so angry because of this poor girl facade, such bull, hate people like that who turns into the victim just to escape being blamed
SAME, I absolutely hated her, I really didn't like that like almost all the kids who bullied Shouko got redeemed (edit they definitely didn't deserve to be put in a light where it seemed like they were redeemed 💀my bad), when they arent trying to do so in the first place. The part when Miki was being defended made me so angry, I never wanted to see her on screen because of how irritating she was everytime she caused a problem.
Isn’t it wild how we all shared this same experience that the author intended myself included that the one character who infuriated everyone was Miki. This movie really gave me some flashbacks.
4:07 She literally has her mouth open like she's about to sing. Which is why Shoko started singing, I always wondered if she did it on purpose or if it was an accident and Shoko just happened to look at her at that moment
The first time I ever saw this movie was in a discord call with friends. When the teacher called out Shoya for bullying and didn’t say anything to the other kids who were clearly bullying Shouko as well, I unmuted and said “Y’all their teacher freaking sucks” and they all unmuted and agreed
Shoya only bullied shoko becaude he saw everyone else do it - everyone, the students and the homeroom teacher, that it was a huge burden for them to evolve their lives + cater to shoko because of her disability. Like if shoko was to be involved, everyone had to either write in her book or just simply learn sign language. The homeroom teacher sets the mood + mutters how it was unnecessary, the entire class were against the idea about it, too. Then the moment someone took interest, they didn't want to feel bad for not trying - so they bullied the one person who was genuiely interested (she even learned it, inspite shoko no longer bejng in her life after transfering) No one wanted to feel guilty or to be blamed, so it was easier to out cast shoko cause evovling themselves with her would mean it was "too much effort" + shoya saw that everyone was tired of her, so he made an a** out of himself to "lighten" the mood. Sure, he got a laugh out of everyone, but it genuiely went too far. But no one stopped shoya, some even participated because they were just getting a good laugh out of it. I feel the lesson was to take responsibility for your own actions - but i also feel like they should've taught "not everyone can be forgiven - nor do they change" cause no one apologized to shoko. Shoya changed cause he felt awful the moment he was in her shoes + the consequences of actions not only affected him, but his mother too. What about everyone else? Do they even know what she went through? What shoya went through? They probably didn't even think twice or even go "did what we did all those years ago really effect you like that? I had no idea" even if they sympathized + empathized, they should of had their moments of either feeling what shoko/shoya felt or realize they were never gonna change - so they didn't deserve to be forgiveness or at least, not be part of their lives anymore + moving forward
No. In the manga he shouts in her ear the moment she sits down after her introduction. But yeah, he does also notice that everyone gets tired of her. In the case of Naoka, she felt incredibly thankless despite being the one helping Shoko the most. And I mean, Shoko's presence really did disrupt the classroom. I think the teacher really just wished she would have gone to a special school that was actually suited for her, but her mother insisted that she'd go to normal classes (and shoko wanted to do it as well). I think the teacher just ended up being really irritated with Shoko's mother, there's clues that indicate that that is the case. I mean, her mom comes across as a bit of a battle-axe and he probably had to deal with her on more than one occasion. Also, it was not "the moment he was in her shoes". He continued to despise her until she left. And if we go back to the teacher, considering some of the things people say about wanting the others to feel the consequences, doesn't that make the teacher correct then when he says that all the trouble Shoya went through ended up being good for him? (I'm not saying I believe that. It's a purely socratic question)
@@dreyri2736 I agree that kids with special needs should study in special schools. It's not "segregation", these schools were designed for such kids to help them to study and to socialize. Ordinary schools don't provide such environment for them. In my country (Russia), the ministry of education decided to follow the "inclusivity" trend and just lumped kids with special needs with ordinary kids. The result was afwul. For example, I read the story when an autistic child with big behavior problems was put into an ordinary school. He was breaking lessons by screaming and beating the furniture, he was beating and biting other kids, he didn't listen to the teacher, no matter how many times they tried to calm him. And what was the result? This kid was tremendously bullied by his classmates, because he prevented them to study. I don't say that it was Shoko's fault that she was bullied, but her mother should have definitely put her in the school for kids in special needs since the beginning, instead of putting her into the ordinary school, which didn't provide her an environment for her study, and then just expect everyone in this school to accept her child. Parents like Shoko's mother do exist in real life. They think that their disabled children will become "normal" the moment they go to the ordinary school, but of course, it doesn't happen and parents blame other children and school for not providing the environment for their children and for not accepting them, instead of blaming themselves for their mistakes. Anime/manga was very realistic for portraying this problem.
I don't think the message should be that shouya is innocent. Because he really isn't You can just do bad things and recover from them, learn to be better.
@@peachesandcream22 I should clarify: according to the author, it wasn't Shoko's mother who insisted on her going to a normal school but it was rather Shoko's wish to do so. I learned about this after the comment I made. Regardless, I don't think it justifies anything that she went through. The teacher could have done better (then again, I have no experience teaching. But he definitely did not crack down hard or soon enough on the bullying. However... I do have experience with elementary schoolers and even I know how hard it can be to control them). I just think it's a very difficult situation overall and I think many people simplify it out of anger. We forget that everyone else has their own limited perspective on the world around them and form opinions based on that. We cannot read each others minds. It's like what Marlowe says in Heart of Darkness "We live as we dream; alone." Our perspectives are like whole worlds in themselves.
Ueno at least owned her own faults and as they got older she realized solely blaming Shoya was unfair and wrong. I appreciate her calling everyone out for it on the Bridge. She is a bad person, but I can respect that she is honest with herself and others. Miki makes me so mad. She laughed and had her own part to play, even if her bullying wasn't in a way Shoko would notice. By laughing while saying "cut it out" and not actually standing up for Shoko she fed into the encouragement that both Ueno and Shoya got from it all. She is a "look at me" and "I can do no wrong type" . I get so angry by this character, but I think that's what she's meant to do. The fact that, instead of having a private conversation with Shoya about their past she announced what he had done as a literal child to the entire class was infuriating. She caused him to have an anxiety attack and for him to get physically ill. She that type of person that is good at faking empathy, but when it comes to actual empathy she is void of it. She deserved NO apology from Shoya. None of this is to say Shoya was perfect, he obviously made mistakes, but everyone who painted him as the sole problem was unfair. Though I do love the bridge scene because I think this is the moment Shoko truly realized that Shoya was struggling as much as her, but she unfortunately (and incorrectly) felt she was the cause of his struggles. Also re-watching the movie recently, I realized Shoya is the only one who really changed out of all of them. Ueno was still mean and ready to tease Shoko, Shoko didn't stand up for herself or admit how she was feeling, Miki still refused to own her own faults, and Sahara, still runs from confrontation.
@@AlyaAdrianna-nk2txthe movie removed a lot core details and information that was in manga. Like honestly though the movie doesn't give you the other good core details u need to know. It's why I prefer the manga
Even Ishida said she is even worse than Ueno. While Ueno is an unrepentant, petty bully, at least she admits it. Even though she didn’t participate to Shoko’s bullying directly, she’s still as guilty as every bystander for not stopping it (or at least trying to) and plays the victim when things don’t go in her way.
Even worse, she DID directly participate. She’s the reason Shouko started singing early in the music class. She mouthed the words early, knowing Shouko was relying on her visual queue, then immediately acted like she was trying to help her.
I hated her in the manga too, her and Naoka both. Naoka was mainly just a jealous brat who was in love with Shoya but she noticed he seemed to like Shouko. I theorized that Shoya also secretly crushed on Shouko too which didn’t help Shouko’s case.
I hate the bridge scene because everyone is just trash talking on Ishida, even his friend the afro dude, when in all reality Ishida was just speaking facts. Shouya was abandoned and bullied all that time with nobody to help him, and the second he tries to better himself and make amends for his past mistakes, all the people that abandoned him and bullied him suddenly come swarming back to him like flies, because they are all terrible people that just wanted to see him fail, and the fact that he is succeeding and do better than them in life makes them angry. Bro has every right to talk down to them, they’ve been making his life a living hell for years. The fact they have the audacity to get mad at that is just disgusting
One thing i noticed about naoka near the end is that she didnt just sign idiot (or baka) at Shouko. The whole conversation shows that she actually does understand Shouko's signs (and feelings), if you watch the scene she picks up on shouko's trepadation and reassures her that they arent actually fighting anymore (since she cant actually understand what the group is saying) and then shen shouko signs "sorry" she tells her not to apologize.
One word to describe her: Fake Thats it and unfortunately throughout the entire movie she never changes, only speaking to our main protagonists because it benefits her, makes her looks good and a saint with a disabled person.
Ugh I absolutely hated all of Ishida’s “friends.” I can’t believe they actually had another chance at becoming friends with him and Shoko at the end, despite never taking true accountability for their actions. It was a good movie all in all. My personal favorites were Miyoko and Nagatsuka.
for the ppl who are watching this in 2024 : Do u guys get that Sense of emptiness , loneliness and sadness after watching this ( OR LITERALLY ANY SAD ANIME !) Like i think about this for weeks and months . i wish i could delete that sense of emptiness right after i watch an anime.....Like if u agree and be sure to reply !
Even in the end of the manga she still the same . Seen some hate messages and now you understand bullying?too late . She had potential to be better person but i respect the writting . And Uano got really respectful character development in the manga.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only person who hated this character I thought maybe I was a hypocrite for not liking Miki Like all she did was cry and be a bystander, even if you didn’t do anything, you could’ve done SOMETHING
I honestly think her complicity in the bullying of Shoko is the least of her problems. She's extremely insecure and it's almost like she doesn't actually have any opinions of her own (especially when it comes to Satoshi). Maybe she was being honest when she said that she was too scared to scold Shoya because she thought he'd bully her as well, it's definitely understandable. But I think she was also really scared of losing the validation of her friends by going against them. Kawai is a person who sees herself through the eyes of others. This can probably lead to some serious self-loathing. If she perceives enough people hating her, then she will probably start to hate herself. That being said, she does seem to change in some way by the end. Whereas before she was always very diplomatic and mild to everyone and especially to Naoka whenever she did something mean, she becomes much more assertive and combative by the end, at least toward Naoka, which is probably the attitude she should have had when she was in elementary school. I'm serious. Compare Kawai from 6th grade to the one at the culture festival, the one who aggressively scolds Naoka when she makes a rude remark. Do you think the Kawai from elementary would have done anything close to that?
that's a good point, she does call naoka out more following the bridge scene. i guess i initially took that in a cynical way - like, shouya and shouko had both almost died, and naoka acted horribly during that time, so i didn't think it was odd for kawai to scold her a bit. but maybe this was the start of seeing herself less through others' eyes and acting based on what she thinks is right.
@@weranoutofgoodusernames3105 Yeah. However, upon thinking about it some more and rereading the manga, I'm left more unsure about her. I don't think she has started to see herself less "through the eyes of others". She still seems to base her personality on what Satoshi wants. BUT... That part where she just says "This is me. This is what I want to do" keeps me up at night. I'm not sure what she means by that. Also, her newfound assertiveness may have come a bit too late in my opinion. Or, I feel the author implies that since nobody seems to take her scolding seriously and Satoshi just tells her to let it go already. This supposed change of character is not validated in any way by anyone and she just ends up looking confused, wondering, asking why Shoya, and everyone else, is suddenly ok with Naoka. I just feel like there's a lot of unactualized potential in her. I think that part in her chapter where she monologues to Shoko hints that she has some very strong insecurities about herself. I'd pay to read another story centered on her. I mean, she may be basic and vapid, but that doesn't mean she can't have an interesting story.
I agreed with you without even a SECOND going by in this video. Because there is nothing redeemable at all about this character. Willfully ignorant, willfully doesn't want to make any efforts to take accountability, cries, plays the victim, tries to think she did nothing wrong at all simply because she wasn't the one pulling the punches, but that's so much worse than being upfront and then starting to take the efforts to change, even if it's just slightly, which Naoka did. Miki does not deserve any of the supposed redemption she got.
It always pissed me off how the boys just threw Shoto under the bus and never acknowledged their own part in the bullying. The betrayal came out of nowhere it feels like. When they turned on Shoto it felt like it just gave everyone else the go-ahead to do the same even though it was obvious he wasn't the only one.
I hate the fact she never got any consequences and still acted like she did nothing wrong, like girl you were just as bad and then blamed Shoya solely on bullying Shouko
Not only did she not get any consequences but she even got a reward. In the end she won the guy she was obsessed with. The guy who supposedly hated all bullies but he never called Miki out at all and admitted he "liked her" and that he thought she was "good" even when others also said that Miki wasn't innocent at all. She never apologized to anyone yet others defended her and even apologized to her for some unknown reason. Even when Shoya called her out everybody thought he was "insulting" her and was mean and he was later the one who apologized to her.... And yet she even gets to be friends with everyone...
I think her character is a great depiction of how these situations go. Unfortunately most bullies won't face any consequences. They go on to live average and even above average lives. Most people who bully are very successful in their Careers. Our society has a very Cut throat Baseline. So people. With those personality's Not only get away with their doings but also prosper. But it's undeniable that those wrong doing stick with these people internally. But a redemption story doesn't Always mean the bad guys Face consequences. And in reality most of the time they don't. Her character is extremely Realistic.
Ueno had (throughout the movie - childhood and teenager) a crush on Ishida, so while she didn't manage her feelings and jealousy well, there is at least a reason. Kawai is just rotten to the core.
While I do agree with your complaints for Miki (I despised her greatly), I would like to argue that Miki is not only the worst character in the movie, but also poorly written. Note that I will only be talking about the movie depiction, since I have never read the manga. On top of her narcissism, inflated ego, and victim complex, Miki never gets development or anything resembling a character arc. No one in the movie ever really confronts her about her involvement in bullying Shoko. I mean, in one scene, she pretended to sing in choir practice knowing that Shoko would be looking for her cue, and ended up making her embarrass herself by singing too early. So, she's not only an enabler, but an active bully as well. It would've been nice if Miki got her consequences for her narcissism because that would have truly completed her arc and strengthened her role as the foil to Shoko, who was eventually rewarded for her selflessness and kindness by making up with Shoya and getting new friends. But not only do we not get that, but Miki even gets to be included in the ending with everyone happy and believing that they're all friends now. It's kinda sickening to watch, since one could imply that being a narcissistic cow like Miki will not bring any consequences. Ueno was bad (and I still think her "development" was lazily written; learning sign language to call someone an idiot does not make you "nicer"), but at least she eventually admitted she was in the wrong. But nope, not for Miki I guess.
The thing that I think is most frustrating about Miki is that, at least from the impression I got, she genuinely does BELIEVE everything she says. She’s completely convinced herself that she did not do anything wrong, that the bullying was all Shoya. And nothing anyone else says, no evidence they present, is going to make her change her mind. It can’t. That door is bolted shut. And honestly, that’s human nature. We all do it at some point. We don’t WANT to think of ourselves as bad people, so we (consciously or subconsciously) twist narratives in our heads to reassure ourselves that we aren’t in the wrong. It’s a defense mechanism, to protect our own sense of self. But if you never learn to push past that impulse and really look at yourself, then you never grow. And if you never grow - well, other people probably aren’t going to want to be around you.
Unfortunately, this is how the majority of pick me girls are, and you know damn well that if Satoshi ever got tired of her and wanted to break things off, she would still try to play the victim and make threats to herself (whether emotionally or physically, usually emotionl) to force him to stay. They get toxic about these things.
I hated Miki. At first i thought she was okay but when she came back amd told everyone about the bullying and took none of the blame i was like wow! It has been 10 years and you are still going to whip this boy because of the choices he made? And take none of the blame yourself? You see he has changed so much and yet you haven't. Still yelling and crying to everyone that he is yhe bad giy amd she is innocent. She might not have done anything direct but she was a spectator that watched it all and didnt care about how others were hurting untill it affected her. "A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury." (John Stuart Mill) and oh boy does that fit her to a T
One thing I’ve learned from watching movies/TV shows centered around bullying is that there are no real friendships among a circle of friends that are bullies because when one of them or just about all of them land themselves in hot water, they’re quick to throw each other under the bus to protect themselves.
Honestly, what makes me so frustrated is that Nikki was definitely a bystander and there’s a scene in the anime where she just laughs at Shoya’s bullying and then in annoying voice “You’re so mean” , not caring what Shoya is writing on the board and she goes along with it with everybody else, even then when the flashback is over and we cut back to the present and she says she’s never done anything wrong and just throws Shoya once again under the bus.
This video made me want to watch A Silent Voice. It seems to be addressing a lot of issues simply harsh interpersonal issues. Also Shoko seems frichen awesome just as a person from her body language and reactions, like a soft savage.
What the Mc did was bad. Honestly I alway have mix feeling abt bully and murderer getting redemption arc bc they never face any real consequences. Like you think just bc you have a hard life now can make you be forgiven. But I like how the Mc near the weight of his sins and trying his best to be a better person. Bc while what they did it wrong the admit it. I feel like ppl being too harsh for what ppl did in the past is true. But if they honestly try to change I would let them
the bridge scene with everyone was awful to watch because there was only one attempt to call Miki out and she got into her victim role...from all the slaps that happend in this movie I can't believe she got none of them
Ueno and Miki are both bad, but Miki is worse because she refuses to admit fault. everytime she apologized it came with excuses that also cast blame on others. atleast Ueno had the decency to be honest about what she did, and not hide behind excuses.
Ngl I think she's poorly written, she has no character arc, doesn't apologize to Shouko, and never takes accountability for her actions. All she does is cry whenever she gets called out. Just because she wasn't as bad as Shoya or even Ueno doesn't mean she wasn't complicit in the bullying of a deaf girl. Plus even Miyoko admits that she was afraid of both Miki and Ueno, in my opinion that says a lot
I always compare the difference between Ueno and Kawai with Janis and Cady from Mean Girls. Specifically at that one scene when Janis says "at least me (and Regina) KNOW we're mean"
I keep saying this! To me Kawai is the type of bully that’s scary cause no matter how you call her out on her actions she will hide behind all her “nice acts” and pulls out her fake tears or fake hurt feelings which would get people on her side.They’re more manipulative and gaslits a lot. And the fact she got away with no consequences really bothers me. At least with Ueno you can always depend on her to be horrible but with Kawai it’s a mental and social battle with the majority siding with her rather. The scene when Kawai runs up to shoko giving out to her for trying to jump, acting like she cared really creeped me out and boils my blood
Good I'm not the only one who saw this it's called the Good Samaritan law and I think that can be applied to everyday life if you see something but don't do anything about it you're just as bad and then you're trying to play the innocent card
Dude yes! The movie set up Ueno to be the bad guy saying she wasn’t really sorry for what happened in the past, beating up Shoko, and just being generally kinda a pissy, mean character. But I feel like at least she knows she’s mean and admits to it, and she sorta redeems herself by learning sign language a bit. Miki was always by far my least favorite character always acting like a perfect, kind, sweet girl, playing the victim, and not ever taking responsibility. And like the video said, I feel like she never would have redeemed herself if it hadn’t been for her boyfriend wanting to be friends with shoko and ishida. And now that people are friends again and everything is forgiven I bet she’s going to pat herself on the back for being a good, kind person and being part of that forgiveness and being able to forgive the bullies (since she plays victim). Like I would 100% rather deal with a mean person who knows they’re mean than a person whos mean and tries to act innocent and nice.
you also forgot to mention how in the movie, during the scene where they're practicing for a singing competition miki purposefully opens her mouth without making a sound when shoko looks over so she begins to sing off key from everyone else before "coming to her rescue". to me this shows how she's willing to manipulate the situation to her advantage so she can be seen as this saint that helps the "unfortunate" while in reality she's nothing more than a two faced snake willing to do anything to save her reputation and herself
Was Shota guilty of bullying Shoko? Yes. But I also felt that it’s incredibly easy to throw the “ringleader” under the bus to absolve any part any others may have had in the bullying. That also includes any adults who knew and chose to do nothing until it reached a breaking point
Ueno at least was honest about being a bitch. She was never really two faced. Meanwhile miki watched on the sidelines as shoko was bullied and when the girl had to get out of school, she just broke down like they were besties
Compared to Miki, Ueno is straightforward & protective, often jumping to defend others, though unfortunately was protective of the wrong person (young Shoya). She misunderstood Shoko as a fake, sly girl pretending to be weak & hiding behind adults. Hence their ferris wheel conversation, Ueno tried to get Shoko to be more 'real' by admitting Shoko has hatred too, hoping to despise her less, but got frustrated when Shoko didn't respond as expected. When Ueno snapped near the hospital, she thought Shoko was willing to victimize herself by jumping, which had repeatedly caused trouble for Shoya. All that said, if Shoya hadn't started the bullying, there would be no 'faking weak' moments, adults wouldn't have to step in, and Ueno and Shoko might have grown up as great friends. Miki, on the other hand, isn't quite a narcissist. She lacked charisma, wasn't courageous, easily a simp around Mashiba (not something a narcissist would do imo), & even showed some remorse at the end. Her lack of self-awareness is common; easily seeing faults in others but not in herself. She was more of a brat who thought she was holier than thou, riding on the high of being seen as 'perfect' by her peers. We've all met these kinds of people in our lives, question is whether they have grown out of the high, or grown into a real narcissist Overall, I personally find the settings and characters in A Silent Voice pretty realistic. The franchise reflects well on our society and maybe even on ourselves, whether we realize it or not
I love that Miki exists because it’s refreshing to see characters with subtle toxicity. Especially narcissism is always portrayed in such a over the top way. It’s just nice to see it in a more subtle way.
As someone who was bullied a lot, I would say that Shoya and Naoka are the worst because of their upfront aggressiveness. I could ignore cowards like Miki and Kazuki. Honestly these two probably wouldn’t be as interested in bullying if it weren’t for Shoya and Naoka who explicitly enjoyed it.
I just want to point something out, in case you didn't notice. It is not only that Miki didn't stop the bullying but do you remember that scene where she was moving her mouth during choir when the song hadn't started yet and then Nishimiya, who was next to her, started to try to sing because of this. Obviously, the classmates were annoyed but then Miki actually pretended to be nice and help Nishimiya by saying that Miki will help her sing properly next time. So she *is quite interested in bullying* and in this case, embarrassing Shoko during choir practice, if it helps her look good and has no consequences for her. This particular thing she did in choir which I mentioned just now, *she didn't do because of Ishida and Naoka* , and this is shown as they hadn't actually explicitly enjoyed any teasing or bullying yet. Secondly, I am so sorry that you were bullied a lot - that sucks and I hope that your life is better now.
@@doldfamily9983 I didn’t say Miki has no interest in bullying. Miki is highly narcissistic and careful about maintaining her “good person” image. I believe she wouldn’t bother and/ or risk engaging in bullying behavior if there was no enthusiastic audience. Miki bullied Shoko because she wanted the attention, validation and acceptance from certain people, namely her friend Naoka. Miki would probably only bully Shoko on her own accord if she had a personal grievance towards her. Shoya and Naoka, however, bullied Miki as a “show” to entertain themselves and their peers. Their open behavior encouraged others to join them.
Most if not all the class was guilty of bullying , not just Ishida. Not excusing Ishida in anyway but he was made the full guy. Honestly the worst character in the film was the class teacher who openly accused Ishida at the beginning. He not only didn't stopped the bullying by his class he gave them a new target by putting all the blame of all of the students' actions, and his inaction, on the loudest individual
I actually had a friend like this who after I stopped being friends with her because she started dating my 🍇ist friend she tried to deny they were friends which I knew was bs then tried to make it seem like to trying to make her look like a bad person because I stopped being friends with her got the teachers involved told them a completely different story unfortunately the teachers took her side and when I finally had enough and called her out she told everyone I wasn't actual 🍇 because she asked my 🍇ist if he did it and he said no Like girl ofc he is gonna say no, yeah anyways I'm honestly still mad everyone made me the problem when I just didn't want to be around someone like that Edit: also the person she started dating knew what he did and still was friends with him afterwards and treated me like I was just trying to ruin his life which what kind of backwards logic and mental gymnastics did he have to do, anyways they still say I lied and very few people believed me but yeah I still am pretty bitter about it
Ueno at least was honest about being a bitch. She was never really two faced Meanwhile miki watched on the sidelines as shoko was bullied and when the girl had to get out of school, she just broke down like they were besties
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I hate Miki so much because there are so many people like her in real life who get away with their awful behavior and are never willing to learn because of their own ego. If Miki ever dated, I could only imagine how stressful it would be for the other person who has to deal with her toxicity
She deserves to be alone.
Every federal government member we have ever does not matter what party they’re from
I think the same
Satoshi after reading that: 🧍
@@manuproulx2764That’s so mean🤨
I really hate the fact that she get no consequences for her actions
Same
its just realistic...
Sometimes terrible people just aren’t punished for a long time or even ever. It’s how cruel the world is
@@StrovialYeah, however, only god knows when will he punish or when will they be punished
@@Stroviali dont think it was that kind of story
The Mangka said they didn't wanted it no revenge story or where people getting what they deserve
It was a story of redemption and finding a reason to live
If you read the manga you will know both mc more deeply
Movie is great but should definitely check out Manga if like to know characters more
My favorite part in the manga is when the whole class was against her, saying she’s creepy and that Shoya probably jumped because of her.
Mikki or shouko?
@@Blissfulpeach1.0 Miki.
Damn I totally forgot about that
There is a manga?
@@GenesisBoi Yes, very recomendable, especially the minor characters are more fleshed out and the hateable characters make a bit more sense imo.
I hate her. But. From a writing POV, she's amazing. She's so realistic to the trash we have to deal with irl. When ur in these type of situations. These are the type of people involved.
And about the fact that after all she gets away with everything in the movie and is included in the group, which a lot of people are angered about in the comments, yeah, that is sadly how life quite often works. The people who are acting like angels in front of others, but have hell on their mind, most of the time don't get recognized as what they truly are and get defended and never have to own up to the bs they are doing. So this is a very real thing.
@Lotuz55 So true I’ve met people like her
she could've been a good character if she had any kind of character growth or if she existed for any purpose other than causing drama (when there was already a much more compelling source of drama and conflict in shouko's family) but alas
the same applies to ueno
Miki is realistic because she's your typical bystander, she represents most people who will allow bad things to happen to someone and feign ignorance/innocence when challenged. She is relatable because she could easily be you or me if we let our egos go unchecked. It is also why we can all relate to having interacted with a lot of people like her. Let's be real, I think there's a Miki in all of us. You're more likely to interact with a Miki irl anywhere you go, whereas someone like Ueno you'd only interact with in prison, unless you are really unlucky, then you have to deal with their abuse irl. I get why people would hate Miki her the most compared to all the other characters, but honestly I think it is pretty dishonest to say that of all the bad characters we get she's the worst.
The best character on the pther hand is that Short green haired guy. He's the reason my man Shoua's alive
You're forgetting Sahara . Shoko's only friend from elementary school.
hes the greatest friend
Fat Mineta
@@samulrdbetter mineta
Yuzuru too. She was the first one to give Ishida a chance, and tried to protect Shoko at all costs.
Man I love that bridge scene, Ishida just slapped tf outta them all with reality.
what he said was harsh but i couldn’t blame him tbh
@@katiestocks2361 Yeah I think he did the right thing.
For a great movie, my ONLY complaint was those "Friends" who did NOT deserve redemption. They did absolutely nothing to even show they deserved to be friends with Shoya and Shouko. Naoka, Miki, and Kazuki not being a part of the group towards the end would have had ZERO effect on the ending in my opinion. If anything, it would have made things better for Shoya if he confronted ALL of them and made them back off and leave him and Shouko alone for good. . . But no, he's gotta be the one to redeem himself despite not being the only person to have bullied Shouko, and a "good" ending is I guess they all have grown up and forgiven each other. My literal only complaint. I really wish those ""friends" got a taste of their own medicine, but sadly Shoya got the short end of the stick.
I think you didn't understand the manga(or maybe you haven't read it). Shoko still wanted to be friends with the others, yes, even Naoka, as if the bullying didn't happen. Everytime Shoya starts to become possesive of Shoko it's really due to him not really understanding her. In fact, most of the characters that are protective of Shoko assume that she never understands what's going on around them unless somebody signs it to her, but the Author explicitly states that that is not true. In fact, shoko is often shown to be even better at interpreting and understanding others than even the ones who can hear. Which is why she hugs Kawai back in her chapter, she knows that Kawai is really talking to herself as much as she is to Shoko. Sahara assumes that Shoko didn't hear her but that's simply not the case and we have clues to support it like when Yuzu explained to Shoko after they got home everything that happened at the bridge and all Shoko did was unenthusiastically say 'thanks' and then get up. She's not completely deaf, and even if she can't hear a thing, she can still read the room and it is probably her disability which causes her to be so good at it.
Then there's Shoya's friends. The irony of Naoka trying to get Shoya and Shimada back together is that Shoya has been doing the exact same thing with Shoko. He doesn't want to forgive them. But Shoko forgave him.
Facts
@aqup_ Shoko wanted to forgive Naoka. Well, she didn't really think she was in the wrong, but she said herself that she thought Naoka was the only one to understand her. And fromt he time Naoka receives the letter, up until Shoya falls, they appear to get on good terms. The manga doesn't explicitly show it beyond a simple wink that Naoka gives to Shoya but you have to understand that the manga is written almost entirely from Shoya's largely jaded perspective.
It was difficult to believe a former friend/acquaintance group reforming so fluidly like that. It’s like no one wanted to be back together but they had to to push the story along.
I agree with this but I think that near the end, they had somewhat redeemed themselves bc they show that even people that disliked shoya didn’t want him to die. This is shown when kazuki saved shoya from the water when he saved shoko. Also the anime didn’t do a great job explaining this but naoka liked shoya so at least she experienced some crap in the manga. Still an incredible story tho
Kawai Miki's narcissism can be seen in her character design itself; A blond beautiful girl with damn-near zero flaws. She is doing what she can to put up a "perfect-girl-waifu" facade and she fails to do so due to the way she acts.
True
Ngl I know Ueno was bad when I watched the movie but so was Miki. Only difference is that Ueno was up front and straight forward with her dislike towards Shoko while Miki acts as if she could do no wrong and victimizes herself once called out on it. Even when they got older she still placed blame on Shoya for bullying Shoko and whenever I think about it, I wonder did anyone else besides Shoya apologized or at least reflected on what they did wrong when they were kids? Unless they did it off screen, I'm convinced that they never thought that they were in the wrong even years later
Shoyas childhood friends, the boys. They didn't do nothing but turn on him. And they did nothing to make up for it but get him from the water? They still fake AF tbh
Ueno was a jealous idiot. However for me, Ueno at least, in her own way, redeemed some bit at the end. Even if there were no actual apologies. Shoko also just wanted to leave things behind. But that bitch, Miki, did nothing. She’s the fakest lizard in fiction.
Yea I think the main problem was the teacher more than anyone else. Because he ignore it happening and when he was possibly about to be in trouble for it he shift the blame on the boy. I think the teacher encourage the boy to do it more than anything.
@@ladygrimm6661 Ueno did reflect on it, she even acknowledged that she is horrible to Shoko, but she just doesn't like her.
Ueno and Shouko actually made up at some point in the story. Although she still claims that she hates Shouko regardless but is willing to put their differences aside. It was evident when she tried to speak to Shlouko using sign language meaning that she at least put in the time and effort to learn it.
This girl and the first teacher!!! the two tried to cover their ass by accusing the kid and playing the victim/innocent/savior and got no redemption but were supported by others.
Not every character will get a redemption arc but it’s still frustrating
The first time I ever saw this movie was in a discord call with friends and when the teacher called out Shoya for bullying and didn’t do the same for the other kids that were clearly bullying Shouko, I unmuted myself and I said “Y’all their teacher freaking sucks” and they all unmuted and agreed
The fact that the teacher never tried to correct shouya or any of the other kid’s bad behavior when it was happening but is so quick to point fingers when confronted made me SO mad. Like what adult let alone an educator does that..
@@okakusi9929 it might seem crazy what im aboutta say-
Oh my gosh. Thank you. I hated this fake nice girl even more than the outwardly mean one. She was terrible, but at least she was honest. This girl was like, “I never did anything bad! Why are you saying such mean things?” And then starts crying. Way more annoying.
i was about to throw hands cuz of her lmao
One thing that strikes hardest about this anime is how reaistic it is, and that includes Miki herself. People simply can get away with cruelty if they are lucky enough
I watched the movie, then read the manga. Ueno comes out more sympathetic in the manga. Miki comes out worse.
Agree. In the Manga Miki is much more unlikable than Ueno in my opinion. Though Ueno is a terrible person, but at least she's honest about it in high school. But in Mikis case, even in her high school years she's just denying everything and is putting the blame on Shoya and the others, even on the bridge she still wants to be the one in the absolute right. I mean, instead of sincerely apologizing and accepting that she is not a perfect angel and she also is in the wrong like anybody else, she just tells Shoya not to bully people if he wants to be liked, that's such a stupid argument to say in this situation. As someone who just finished the Manga, it's really cool talk about this character that I see as the most annoying in A Silent Voice.
@@DeltaKnight337 Also the way everyone berated Naoka when she got rightfully pissed at Miki. Ueno is terrible, but she still reflects on stuff and acknowledges that her behaviour isn't appropriate. Her concern for Shoya's well being is genuine, and though her blaming Shoko is unwarranted, in the end she admits that although she can't like Shoko, the way she treated Shoko was harsh (it would have been nice if she had said it directly to Shoko instead of telling Shoya, but it's true to her character that she didn't). In fact, in the bridge scene she had tagged along to apologise. Miki on the other hand acts like a righteous saint, when Shoya asked her not to tell Satoshi about his past yet, she gets all horrified and 'heroic' lol. This wasn't her story to tell, she had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with it. Shoya was trying to be friends with Satoshi and should have gotten the chance to tell it himself in his own time. The way he was about to puke after Miki outed his secret is just an understatement to the mental trauma Shoya has faced, and Miki was still insensitive about it. Her way of apologising wasn't any better, she basically said "I'm sorry for what I did, but you were the one who caused all this." And Miki acted like she was Shoko's bestie lmao, saying that she was horrified by how everyone made fun of Shoko, and said that Sahara didn't do anything when Naoka made fun of Sahara and Shoko. It's like BITCH SAHARA WAS GETTING BULLIED!! YOU WEREN'T! WHY DIDN'T YOU DO ANYTHING? Even Naoka got annoyed after Miki didn't apologise properly. The only likable thing Miki did was defending the group when Naoka was calling them cringe when they met at Shoya's recovery. Ironically, Naoka was the one who was at the hospital the most, even more than Shoko (tho she didn't let Shoko visit either lol) even sacrificing some of her work shifts to stay by Shoya's side the whole time. Not saying she's a good person or anything, but I love Naoka's character.
I Always felt like Ueno had to have a terrible home life, or other trauma, to be so mean. I felt it the entire time she was on screen and it hurt seeing trauma breed trauma. And I only saw the movie.
@@DeltaKnight337 a teenager isn't a terrible person, they're children stumbling around figuring out how life works and how their actions hurt or help one another. Those are the years that decide and shape the kind of person you WILL be as an adult, so I can't agree with you on Ueno being a terrible person. She's changing, and struggling with it, but still changing. I think it's just a bit unfair to use such strong language for children characters. We give grace to children to learn and grow, it's part of being an adult. The only person Miki is hurting at the end of the movie/manga is herself with her rigidity, there's still hope ofc, there's always hope to change, but it'll be so much harder once she's stuck in her ways and the behaviors she cemented in her teen years. This is a reminder to teenagers: hold each other accountable, self-policing in your age range is crucial to how you'll act and react in the real world.
@@appalachiabrauchfrau First of, you ARE right. Teenager, regardless of what they might think, still children. They are still growing. I fully understand, and that's a really good point. But second, and that's coming from an teenager the same age, Ueno just comes of as a terrible person. I know that she will change in the future and has in the of the manga. The things Ueno did in the story, for me, are things a bad person does. You don't have to be an adult to see that. I know teenagers do stupid stuff, but in my honest opinion, teenagers my and her age should already know that those things are terrible things and to never do those things.
I am glad that this movie (and the manga by extensions) still is being talked about years later.
Negatively but your right I’m glad too
@anime_world6684 not really negatively
@@kingseb2252
Actually yes
@etam8099 no it's not all ive heard is good things about the movie
@@etam8099 so actually no
bro I literally hated EVERYONE except for shoyo, shoko and that green haired guy. His ex "friends" didn't deserve apologies, they were just plain evil. Especially miki and noaka
Please tell me you're aren't referring to Miyoko too ☹️.. (The tall girl with short hair [If you didn't remember])
@@Reddyicecream No I forgave her in the end
How about yuzuru?
What about his friend
WAIT YOU HATED YUZURU
Finally someone who thought the same
Right?! Man this girl got me so angry because of this poor girl facade, such bull, hate people like that who turns into the victim just to escape being blamed
@@Julio_Cezar1604 shifting the blame onto others just because you think you're not wrong is a bitch move fr
FR she had the victim personality and seeing what she did without getting caught always pissed me off
Finally! I hate that girl so much!
@@izurokamakura4778 who doesn't lol
SAME, I absolutely hated her, I really didn't like that like almost all the kids who bullied Shouko got redeemed (edit they definitely didn't deserve to be put in a light where it seemed like they were redeemed 💀my bad), when they arent trying to do so in the first place. The part when Miki was being defended made me so angry, I never wanted to see her on screen because of how irritating she was everytime she caused a problem.
What makes you think the kids got redeemed?
Goes to show how keeping up appearances work .
Isn’t it wild how we all shared this same experience that the author intended myself included that the one character who infuriated everyone was Miki. This movie really gave me some flashbacks.
@@suc125 Nopers they definitely didn't deserve to be redemption 😭Sorry man like I was just so angry about Miki a year ago💀
4:07 She literally has her mouth open like she's about to sing. Which is why Shoko started singing, I always wondered if she did it on purpose or if it was an accident and Shoko just happened to look at her at that moment
It was on purpose. she wanted to act innocent and *help* shoko. so when she does make fun of her, know one really notices
The worst character is the teacher
I agree he knew what was going on and chose to do nothing
@@outerheaven3414he got punched in the manga I think
The first time I ever saw this movie was in a discord call with friends. When the teacher called out Shoya for bullying and didn’t say anything to the other kids who were clearly bullying Shouko as well, I unmuted and said “Y’all their teacher freaking sucks” and they all unmuted and agreed
Does anyone else think he looks like the teacher from Goodnight Punpun?
Not wrong
Shoya only bullied shoko becaude he saw everyone else do it - everyone, the students and the homeroom teacher, that it was a huge burden for them to evolve their lives + cater to shoko because of her disability. Like if shoko was to be involved, everyone had to either write in her book or just simply learn sign language.
The homeroom teacher sets the mood + mutters how it was unnecessary, the entire class were against the idea about it, too.
Then the moment someone took interest, they didn't want to feel bad for not trying - so they bullied the one person who was genuiely interested (she even learned it, inspite shoko no longer bejng in her life after transfering)
No one wanted to feel guilty or to be blamed, so it was easier to out cast shoko cause evovling themselves with her would mean it was "too much effort" + shoya saw that everyone was tired of her, so he made an a** out of himself to "lighten" the mood.
Sure, he got a laugh out of everyone, but it genuiely went too far. But no one stopped shoya, some even participated because they were just getting a good laugh out of it.
I feel the lesson was to take responsibility for your own actions - but i also feel like they should've taught "not everyone can be forgiven - nor do they change" cause no one apologized to shoko. Shoya changed cause he felt awful the moment he was in her shoes + the consequences of actions not only affected him, but his mother too.
What about everyone else? Do they even know what she went through? What shoya went through? They probably didn't even think twice or even go "did what we did all those years ago really effect you like that? I had no idea" even if they sympathized + empathized, they should of had their moments of either feeling what shoko/shoya felt or realize they were never gonna change - so they didn't deserve to be forgiveness or at least, not be part of their lives anymore + moving forward
No. In the manga he shouts in her ear the moment she sits down after her introduction. But yeah, he does also notice that everyone gets tired of her. In the case of Naoka, she felt incredibly thankless despite being the one helping Shoko the most. And I mean, Shoko's presence really did disrupt the classroom. I think the teacher really just wished she would have gone to a special school that was actually suited for her, but her mother insisted that she'd go to normal classes (and shoko wanted to do it as well). I think the teacher just ended up being really irritated with Shoko's mother, there's clues that indicate that that is the case. I mean, her mom comes across as a bit of a battle-axe and he probably had to deal with her on more than one occasion.
Also, it was not "the moment he was in her shoes". He continued to despise her until she left. And if we go back to the teacher, considering some of the things people say about wanting the others to feel the consequences, doesn't that make the teacher correct then when he says that all the trouble Shoya went through ended up being good for him? (I'm not saying I believe that. It's a purely socratic question)
The author really created a great commentary about bullying in schools, and bullying in general.
@@dreyri2736 I agree that kids with special needs should study in special schools. It's not "segregation", these schools were designed for such kids to help them to study and to socialize. Ordinary schools don't provide such environment for them. In my country (Russia), the ministry of education decided to follow the "inclusivity" trend and just lumped kids with special needs with ordinary kids. The result was afwul. For example, I read the story when an autistic child with big behavior problems was put into an ordinary school. He was breaking lessons by screaming and beating the furniture, he was beating and biting other kids, he didn't listen to the teacher, no matter how many times they tried to calm him. And what was the result? This kid was tremendously bullied by his classmates, because he prevented them to study.
I don't say that it was Shoko's fault that she was bullied, but her mother should have definitely put her in the school for kids in special needs since the beginning, instead of putting her into the ordinary school, which didn't provide her an environment for her study, and then just expect everyone in this school to accept her child. Parents like Shoko's mother do exist in real life. They think that their disabled children will become "normal" the moment they go to the ordinary school, but of course, it doesn't happen and parents blame other children and school for not providing the environment for their children and for not accepting them, instead of blaming themselves for their mistakes. Anime/manga was very realistic for portraying this problem.
I don't think the message should be that shouya is innocent. Because he really isn't
You can just do bad things and recover from them, learn to be better.
@@peachesandcream22 I should clarify: according to the author, it wasn't Shoko's mother who insisted on her going to a normal school but it was rather Shoko's wish to do so. I learned about this after the comment I made. Regardless, I don't think it justifies anything that she went through. The teacher could have done better (then again, I have no experience teaching. But he definitely did not crack down hard or soon enough on the bullying. However... I do have experience with elementary schoolers and even I know how hard it can be to control them). I just think it's a very difficult situation overall and I think many people simplify it out of anger. We forget that everyone else has their own limited perspective on the world around them and form opinions based on that. We cannot read each others minds. It's like what Marlowe says in Heart of Darkness "We live as we dream; alone."
Our perspectives are like whole worlds in themselves.
Ueno at least owned her own faults and as they got older she realized solely blaming Shoya was unfair and wrong. I appreciate her calling everyone out for it on the Bridge. She is a bad person, but I can respect that she is honest with herself and others. Miki makes me so mad. She laughed and had her own part to play, even if her bullying wasn't in a way Shoko would notice. By laughing while saying "cut it out" and not actually standing up for Shoko she fed into the encouragement that both Ueno and Shoya got from it all. She is a "look at me" and "I can do no wrong type" . I get so angry by this character, but I think that's what she's meant to do. The fact that, instead of having a private conversation with Shoya about their past she announced what he had done as a literal child to the entire class was infuriating. She caused him to have an anxiety attack and for him to get physically ill. She that type of person that is good at faking empathy, but when it comes to actual empathy she is void of it. She deserved NO apology from Shoya. None of this is to say Shoya was perfect, he obviously made mistakes, but everyone who painted him as the sole problem was unfair. Though I do love the bridge scene because I think this is the moment Shoko truly realized that Shoya was struggling as much as her, but she unfortunately (and incorrectly) felt she was the cause of his struggles.
Also re-watching the movie recently, I realized Shoya is the only one who really changed out of all of them. Ueno was still mean and ready to tease Shoko, Shoko didn't stand up for herself or admit how she was feeling, Miki still refused to own her own faults, and Sahara, still runs from confrontation.
It's ironic that a movie about redemption and change ends with antagonists not changing at all 😭
@@AlyaAdrianna-nk2txthe movie removed a lot core details and information that was in manga. Like honestly though the movie doesn't give you the other good core details u need to know. It's why I prefer the manga
Even Ishida said she is even worse than Ueno.
While Ueno is an unrepentant, petty bully, at least she admits it.
Even though she didn’t participate to Shoko’s bullying directly, she’s still as guilty as every bystander for not stopping it (or at least trying to) and plays the victim when things don’t go in her way.
Even worse, she DID directly participate. She’s the reason Shouko started singing early in the music class. She mouthed the words early, knowing Shouko was relying on her visual queue, then immediately acted like she was trying to help her.
I hated her in the manga too, her and Naoka both. Naoka was mainly just a jealous brat who was in love with Shoya but she noticed he seemed to like Shouko. I theorized that Shoya also secretly crushed on Shouko too which didn’t help Shouko’s case.
I hate the bridge scene because everyone is just trash talking on Ishida, even his friend the afro dude, when in all reality Ishida was just speaking facts. Shouya was abandoned and bullied all that time with nobody to help him, and the second he tries to better himself and make amends for his past mistakes, all the people that abandoned him and bullied him suddenly come swarming back to him like flies, because they are all terrible people that just wanted to see him fail, and the fact that he is succeeding and do better than them in life makes them angry. Bro has every right to talk down to them, they’ve been making his life a living hell for years. The fact they have the audacity to get mad at that is just disgusting
One thing i noticed about naoka near the end is that she didnt just sign idiot (or baka) at Shouko. The whole conversation shows that she actually does understand Shouko's signs (and feelings), if you watch the scene she picks up on shouko's trepadation and reassures her that they arent actually fighting anymore (since she cant actually understand what the group is saying) and then shen shouko signs "sorry" she tells her not to apologize.
i hate how quickly she chose to blame mc
One word to describe her: Fake
Thats it and unfortunately throughout the entire movie she never changes, only speaking to our main protagonists because it benefits her, makes her looks good and a saint with a disabled person.
Ugh I absolutely hated all of Ishida’s “friends.” I can’t believe they actually had another chance at becoming friends with him and Shoko at the end, despite never taking true accountability for their actions. It was a good movie all in all. My personal favorites were Miyoko and Nagatsuka.
for the ppl who are watching this in 2024 :
Do u guys get that Sense of emptiness , loneliness and sadness after watching this ( OR LITERALLY ANY SAD ANIME !) Like i think about this for weeks and months . i wish i could delete that sense of emptiness right after i watch an anime.....Like if u agree and be sure to reply !
Try watching I want to eat your pancreas.
I do, i cey everytime
For me it’s a feeling of hope
you made me rewatch a silent voice... i cried once again, it's inevitable, how many times i watch it
Who wants to punch Miki if y’all were in the anime? Cause I do.
I understand what you exactly feel
I've found a lot of people like Miki in my environment and yes, they are annoying and mostly women.
I'll SLAP Miki so hard she'll be flying throughout the multiverse. 🌌
Me too.
If silent voice manga is created today it will probably be violent😂
It deserved an animation academy award. Screw corporate Disney n Pixar etc.
Dreamworks too
Even in the end of the manga she still the same . Seen some hate messages and now you understand bullying?too late . She had potential to be better person but i respect the writting . And Uano got really respectful character development in the manga.
The part where Miki smacks Shoko and starts yelling at her about how hard life is for everyone is so out of pocket to me lol
FINALLY!!!! SOMEONE WHO ALSO THOUGHT SHE WAS AWFUL!!! GOD I HATED HER!!
I’m glad I wasn’t the only person who hated this character
I thought maybe I was a hypocrite for not liking Miki
Like all she did was cry and be a bystander, even if you didn’t do anything, you could’ve done SOMETHING
I honestly think her complicity in the bullying of Shoko is the least of her problems. She's extremely insecure and it's almost like she doesn't actually have any opinions of her own (especially when it comes to Satoshi). Maybe she was being honest when she said that she was too scared to scold Shoya because she thought he'd bully her as well, it's definitely understandable. But I think she was also really scared of losing the validation of her friends by going against them. Kawai is a person who sees herself through the eyes of others. This can probably lead to some serious self-loathing. If she perceives enough people hating her, then she will probably start to hate herself.
That being said, she does seem to change in some way by the end. Whereas before she was always very diplomatic and mild to everyone and especially to Naoka whenever she did something mean, she becomes much more assertive and combative by the end, at least toward Naoka, which is probably the attitude she should have had when she was in elementary school.
I'm serious. Compare Kawai from 6th grade to the one at the culture festival, the one who aggressively scolds Naoka when she makes a rude remark. Do you think the Kawai from elementary would have done anything close to that?
that doesn't give her any right to falsely accuse others and blame shoya for everything. The worst bitch I ever seen.
that's a good point, she does call naoka out more following the bridge scene. i guess i initially took that in a cynical way - like, shouya and shouko had both almost died, and naoka acted horribly during that time, so i didn't think it was odd for kawai to scold her a bit. but maybe this was the start of seeing herself less through others' eyes and acting based on what she thinks is right.
@@weranoutofgoodusernames3105 Yeah. However, upon thinking about it some more and rereading the manga, I'm left more unsure about her. I don't think she has started to see herself less "through the eyes of others". She still seems to base her personality on what Satoshi wants. BUT... That part where she just says "This is me. This is what I want to do" keeps me up at night. I'm not sure what she means by that.
Also, her newfound assertiveness may have come a bit too late in my opinion. Or, I feel the author implies that since nobody seems to take her scolding seriously and Satoshi just tells her to let it go already. This supposed change of character is not validated in any way by anyone and she just ends up looking confused, wondering, asking why Shoya, and everyone else, is suddenly ok with Naoka. I just feel like there's a lot of unactualized potential in her. I think that part in her chapter where she monologues to Shoko hints that she has some very strong insecurities about herself. I'd pay to read another story centered on her. I mean, she may be basic and vapid, but that doesn't mean she can't have an interesting story.
@@dreyri2736Yes yes yes the conversation she had with shoko was her basically projecting and revealing her own issues herself.
SO REAL OMG OMG I'm so sick of ppl just writing her off as annoying or evil and not looking into her character!!!
I agreed with you without even a SECOND going by in this video. Because there is nothing redeemable at all about this character. Willfully ignorant, willfully doesn't want to make any efforts to take accountability, cries, plays the victim, tries to think she did nothing wrong at all simply because she wasn't the one pulling the punches, but that's so much worse than being upfront and then starting to take the efforts to change, even if it's just slightly, which Naoka did.
Miki does not deserve any of the supposed redemption she got.
It always pissed me off how the boys just threw Shoto under the bus and never acknowledged their own part in the bullying. The betrayal came out of nowhere it feels like. When they turned on Shoto it felt like it just gave everyone else the go-ahead to do the same even though it was obvious he wasn't the only one.
I hate the fact she never got any consequences and still acted like she did nothing wrong, like girl you were just as bad and then blamed Shoya solely on bullying Shouko
Not only did she not get any consequences but she even got a reward. In the end she won the guy she was obsessed with. The guy who supposedly hated all bullies but he never called Miki out at all and admitted he "liked her" and that he thought she was "good" even when others also said that Miki wasn't innocent at all. She never apologized to anyone yet others defended her and even apologized to her for some unknown reason. Even when Shoya called her out everybody thought he was "insulting" her and was mean and he was later the one who apologized to her.... And yet she even gets to be friends with everyone...
I think her character is a great depiction of how these situations go. Unfortunately most bullies won't face any consequences.
They go on to live average and even above average lives.
Most people who bully are very successful in their Careers.
Our society has a very Cut throat Baseline. So people.
With those personality's Not only get away with their doings but also prosper.
But it's undeniable that those wrong doing stick with these people internally.
But a redemption story doesn't Always mean the bad guys Face consequences.
And in reality most of the time they don't. Her character is extremely Realistic.
Ueno had (throughout the movie - childhood and teenager) a crush on Ishida, so while she didn't manage her feelings and jealousy well, there is at least a reason. Kawai is just rotten to the core.
At least she doen't exist, though it is possible many like her do
She's less sympathetic than the main villain of the movie.
Bro I HATE HER SHE ALWAYS LIES AND MANIPULATES PEOPLE WITH HER FAKE CRYING
the whole point of a silent voice is forgiveness and change, we see all characters changing in the end, INCLUDING the most hated characters
While I do agree with your complaints for Miki (I despised her greatly), I would like to argue that Miki is not only the worst character in the movie, but also poorly written. Note that I will only be talking about the movie depiction, since I have never read the manga.
On top of her narcissism, inflated ego, and victim complex, Miki never gets development or anything resembling a character arc. No one in the movie ever really confronts her about her involvement in bullying Shoko. I mean, in one scene, she pretended to sing in choir practice knowing that Shoko would be looking for her cue, and ended up making her embarrass herself by singing too early. So, she's not only an enabler, but an active bully as well.
It would've been nice if Miki got her consequences for her narcissism because that would have truly completed her arc and strengthened her role as the foil to Shoko, who was eventually rewarded for her selflessness and kindness by making up with Shoya and getting new friends.
But not only do we not get that, but Miki even gets to be included in the ending with everyone happy and believing that they're all friends now. It's kinda sickening to watch, since one could imply that being a narcissistic cow like Miki will not bring any consequences.
Ueno was bad (and I still think her "development" was lazily written; learning sign language to call someone an idiot does not make you "nicer"), but at least she eventually admitted she was in the wrong. But nope, not for Miki I guess.
The thing that I think is most frustrating about Miki is that, at least from the impression I got, she genuinely does BELIEVE everything she says. She’s completely convinced herself that she did not do anything wrong, that the bullying was all Shoya. And nothing anyone else says, no evidence they present, is going to make her change her mind. It can’t. That door is bolted shut.
And honestly, that’s human nature. We all do it at some point. We don’t WANT to think of ourselves as bad people, so we (consciously or subconsciously) twist narratives in our heads to reassure ourselves that we aren’t in the wrong. It’s a defense mechanism, to protect our own sense of self.
But if you never learn to push past that impulse and really look at yourself, then you never grow. And if you never grow - well, other people probably aren’t going to want to be around you.
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I love this movie I watched when I was 5 til now I'm im 18+
Unfortunately, this is how the majority of pick me girls are, and you know damn well that if Satoshi ever got tired of her and wanted to break things off, she would still try to play the victim and make threats to herself (whether emotionally or physically, usually emotionl) to force him to stay. They get toxic about these things.
I hated Miki. At first i thought she was okay but when she came back amd told everyone about the bullying and took none of the blame i was like wow! It has been 10 years and you are still going to whip this boy because of the choices he made? And take none of the blame yourself? You see he has changed so much and yet you haven't. Still yelling and crying to everyone that he is yhe bad giy amd she is innocent.
She might not have done anything direct but she was a spectator that watched it all and didnt care about how others were hurting untill it affected her.
"A person may cause evil to others not only by his actions but by his inaction, and in either case he is justly accountable to them for the injury." (John Stuart Mill) and oh boy does that fit her to a T
Mahito if he was human girl
The truth of that makes me want to rip my skin off
How did I not see this Miki slander sooner? I’m glad someone is calling her out T-T
I remember watching this movie when I was 9 and I loved it but Naoka got on my nerves with her bullying but Miki is WORSE
nagatsuka is GOATED
5:27 LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TF HE EVER DO TO YOU!? HE DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT YOU!
One thing I’ve learned from watching movies/TV shows centered around bullying is that there are no real friendships among a circle of friends that are bullies because when one of them or just about all of them land themselves in hot water, they’re quick to throw each other under the bus to protect themselves.
Honestly, what makes me so frustrated is that Nikki was definitely a bystander and there’s a scene in the anime where she just laughs at Shoya’s bullying and then in annoying voice “You’re so mean” , not caring what Shoya is writing on the board and she goes along with it with everybody else, even then when the flashback is over and we cut back to the present and she says she’s never done anything wrong and just throws Shoya once again under the bus.
This video made me want to watch A Silent Voice.
It seems to be addressing a lot of issues simply harsh interpersonal issues. Also Shoko seems frichen awesome just as a person from her body language and reactions, like a soft savage.
I hope they can adapt this story into a series so they can also get the movie plot and other things into the story. Its so good!!
What the Mc did was bad. Honestly I alway have mix feeling abt bully and murderer getting redemption arc bc they never face any real consequences. Like you think just bc you have a hard life now can make you be forgiven. But I like how the Mc near the weight of his sins and trying his best to be a better person. Bc while what they did it wrong the admit it. I feel like ppl being too harsh for what ppl did in the past is true. But if they honestly try to change I would let them
Truly one of the best
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the bridge scene with everyone was awful to watch because there was only one attempt to call Miki out and she got into her victim role...from all the slaps that happend in this movie I can't believe she got none of them
Ueno and Miki are both bad, but Miki is worse because she refuses to admit fault. everytime she apologized it came with excuses that also cast blame on others.
atleast Ueno had the decency to be honest about what she did, and not hide behind excuses.
you don't even understand how hard i cry when every i think act miki too much. i hate her so much you don't even understand
0:00 I haven’t even watched your video yet, and I already agree.
Ngl I think she's poorly written, she has no character arc, doesn't apologize to Shouko, and never takes accountability for her actions. All she does is cry whenever she gets called out. Just because she wasn't as bad as Shoya or even Ueno doesn't mean she wasn't complicit in the bullying of a deaf girl. Plus even Miyoko admits that she was afraid of both Miki and Ueno, in my opinion that says a lot
Agreed
I remember loving her when I first watched a silent voice and didn’t understand why people hate her,In like 2021 I finally understood why 😭
Miki 😠
I think the reason I haven't watched this movie is specifically because of her. I love the movie, but she stresses me out oof
I always compare the difference between Ueno and Kawai with Janis and Cady from Mean Girls. Specifically at that one scene when Janis says "at least me (and Regina) KNOW we're mean"
I keep saying this! To me Kawai is the type of bully that’s scary cause no matter how you call her out on her actions she will hide behind all her “nice acts” and pulls out her fake tears or fake hurt feelings which would get people on her side.They’re more manipulative and gaslits a lot. And the fact she got away with no consequences really bothers me. At least with Ueno you can always depend on her to be horrible but with Kawai it’s a mental and social battle with the majority siding with her rather. The scene when Kawai runs up to shoko giving out to her for trying to jump, acting like she cared really creeped me out and boils my blood
Good I'm not the only one who saw this it's called the Good Samaritan law and I think that can be applied to everyday life if you see something but don't do anything about it you're just as bad and then you're trying to play the innocent card
Dude yes! The movie set up Ueno to be the bad guy saying she wasn’t really sorry for what happened in the past, beating up Shoko, and just being generally kinda a pissy, mean character. But I feel like at least she knows she’s mean and admits to it, and she sorta redeems herself by learning sign language a bit. Miki was always by far my least favorite character always acting like a perfect, kind, sweet girl, playing the victim, and not ever taking responsibility. And like the video said, I feel like she never would have redeemed herself if it hadn’t been for her boyfriend wanting to be friends with shoko and ishida. And now that people are friends again and everything is forgiven I bet she’s going to pat herself on the back for being a good, kind person and being part of that forgiveness and being able to forgive the bullies (since she plays victim). Like I would 100% rather deal with a mean person who knows they’re mean than a person whos mean and tries to act innocent and nice.
AGREED. Exactly why it was unsatisfying that it was so realistic-- but also so humbling to know.
you also forgot to mention how in the movie, during the scene where they're practicing for a singing competition miki purposefully opens her mouth without making a sound when shoko looks over so she begins to sing off key from everyone else before "coming to her rescue". to me this shows how she's willing to manipulate the situation to her advantage so she can be seen as this saint that helps the "unfortunate" while in reality she's nothing more than a two faced snake willing to do anything to save her reputation and herself
Was Shota guilty of bullying Shoko? Yes. But I also felt that it’s incredibly easy to throw the “ringleader” under the bus to absolve any part any others may have had in the bullying. That also includes any adults who knew and chose to do nothing until it reached a breaking point
Ueno at least was honest about being a bitch. She was never really two faced.
Meanwhile miki watched on the sidelines as shoko was bullied and when the girl had to get out of school, she just broke down like they were besties
2:22 to be fair being deaf means you can’t hear your own voice so of course you speak weird 🙃
I liked the video and all the points just feel like you overstated how bad she was.
Miki biting the curb 4k
Compared to Miki, Ueno is straightforward & protective, often jumping to defend others, though unfortunately was protective of the wrong person (young Shoya). She misunderstood Shoko as a fake, sly girl pretending to be weak & hiding behind adults. Hence their ferris wheel conversation, Ueno tried to get Shoko to be more 'real' by admitting Shoko has hatred too, hoping to despise her less, but got frustrated when Shoko didn't respond as expected. When Ueno snapped near the hospital, she thought Shoko was willing to victimize herself by jumping, which had repeatedly caused trouble for Shoya. All that said, if Shoya hadn't started the bullying, there would be no 'faking weak' moments, adults wouldn't have to step in, and Ueno and Shoko might have grown up as great friends.
Miki, on the other hand, isn't quite a narcissist. She lacked charisma, wasn't courageous, easily a simp around Mashiba (not something a narcissist would do imo), & even showed some remorse at the end. Her lack of self-awareness is common; easily seeing faults in others but not in herself. She was more of a brat who thought she was holier than thou, riding on the high of being seen as 'perfect' by her peers. We've all met these kinds of people in our lives, question is whether they have grown out of the high, or grown into a real narcissist
Overall, I personally find the settings and characters in A Silent Voice pretty realistic. The franchise reflects well on our society and maybe even on ourselves, whether we realize it or not
Shimada was the one I hated the most. Not only he thrown Ishida under the bus but he has the nerve to tell him he hasn't changed.
I love that Miki exists because it’s refreshing to see characters with subtle toxicity. Especially narcissism is always portrayed in such a over the top way. It’s just nice to see it in a more subtle way.
I had personal beef with her!! I was punching the air👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
As someone who was bullied a lot, I would say that Shoya and Naoka are the worst because of their upfront aggressiveness. I could ignore cowards like Miki and Kazuki. Honestly these two probably wouldn’t be as interested in bullying if it weren’t for Shoya and Naoka who explicitly enjoyed it.
I just want to point something out, in case you didn't notice. It is not only that Miki didn't stop the bullying but do you remember that scene where she was moving her mouth during choir when the song hadn't started yet and then Nishimiya, who was next to her, started to try to sing because of this. Obviously, the classmates were annoyed but then Miki actually pretended to be nice and help Nishimiya by saying that Miki will help her sing properly next time. So she *is quite interested in bullying* and in this case, embarrassing Shoko during choir practice, if it helps her look good and has no consequences for her. This particular thing she did in choir which I mentioned just now, *she didn't do because of Ishida and Naoka* , and this is shown as they hadn't actually explicitly enjoyed any teasing or bullying yet.
Secondly, I am so sorry that you were bullied a lot - that sucks and I hope that your life is better now.
@@doldfamily9983 I didn’t say Miki has no interest in bullying. Miki is highly narcissistic and careful about maintaining her “good person” image. I believe she wouldn’t bother and/ or risk engaging in bullying behavior if there was no enthusiastic audience. Miki bullied Shoko because she wanted the attention, validation and acceptance from certain people, namely her friend Naoka.
Miki would probably only bully Shoko on her own accord if she had a personal grievance towards her. Shoya and Naoka, however, bullied Miki as a “show” to entertain themselves and their peers. Their open behavior encouraged others to join them.
I haven't seen the video yet, but the miniature is enough for me
FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT GOD DAMMNNN
Miki live execution 4k
Most if not all the class was guilty of bullying , not just Ishida. Not excusing Ishida in anyway but he was made the full guy. Honestly the worst character in the film was the class teacher who openly accused Ishida at the beginning. He not only didn't stopped the bullying by his class he gave them a new target by putting all the blame of all of the students' actions, and his inaction, on the loudest individual
I actually had a friend like this who after I stopped being friends with her because she started dating my 🍇ist friend she tried to deny they were friends which I knew was bs then tried to make it seem like to trying to make her look like a bad person because I stopped being friends with her got the teachers involved told them a completely different story unfortunately the teachers took her side and when I finally had enough and called her out she told everyone I wasn't actual 🍇 because she asked my 🍇ist if he did it and he said no
Like girl ofc he is gonna say no, yeah anyways I'm honestly still mad everyone made me the problem when I just didn't want to be around someone like that
Edit: also the person she started dating knew what he did and still was friends with him afterwards and treated me like I was just trying to ruin his life which what kind of backwards logic and mental gymnastics did he have to do, anyways they still say I lied and very few people believed me but yeah I still am pretty bitter about it
Yeeeessss!!! I feel vindicated. Also, their elementary school teacher is another character that if I see them, it’s on sight!
finally get to watch this after dropping my vid on a silent voice where i also shit on this character
Miki Kawai is something worst but she is real, in our world. Many people like her, worst but thing they are all good.
That is sick.
Thank you! Yeah, she is the worst character.
My honest reaction at the first at miki
" IM DONE WITH HER ASS, B-T-CH, YOU DESERVE THAT MF "
after
"Mid"
I like how i havent even watched this yet and yet you talking about her just pisses me off
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY THIS!!!!!
Fr tho, even Ueno and Shimada are better than Kawai 😂
Ueno at least was honest about being a bitch. She was never really two faced
Meanwhile miki watched on the sidelines as shoko was bullied and when the girl had to get out of school, she just broke down like they were besties
What bothered me the most was how she tried to act so innocent whenever she was called out on