CGC Comics, Something has to change.
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- A recent CGC unboxing reveals bendgate still exists and more quality control problems occurred during one of my most successful CGC unboxings…
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But you keep using CGC like you aren't allowed to keep them raw. I don't get it. Use a different company or don't slab.
Ive explained this reason in multiple videos and live chats… (and even a bit in this video…)
99% of my collection is RAW.
I only slab what makes financial sense or if the book is considered rare in that grade.
Which translates to value typically.
If im slabbing the book you can bet the value will at least double or triple of what its raw price is IF it hits the grade im predicting (MOST THE TIME) You can see that from the values of these grade outcomes…
Other companies are still inferior in MARKET RETURN, AND CUSTOMER SERVICE… and label appeal.
I dont want their selling price or labels. Plain and simple. EGS looks cheap (to me), CBCS has terrible customer service and market value AND NOW THEY WANNA ADD SUB GRADES?!!, PGX is someone’s hobby…
PSA? They got a long road ahead, but initial appeal is not good.
@@paperchasecomics I get what you are saying but even in your response you pretty much admit that it's an aesthetic thing and not a quality thing when deciding on what company to use. I agree that other companies labels look bland compared to CGC but a grade is a grade and I don't see how a 9.8 raw would be worth less raw compared to slabbed. The value of slabbed books shouldn't exceed the cost of slabbing. So if a book is worth $200 raw it shouldn't cost more than $300 slabbed. At least that's how I view it. Thanks for the reply.
In my response i said it was multiple things. Its a Money thing, a customer service thing and an aesthetic thing.
As far as what raw vs slabbed sell for…the comic community decides that. Sounds like youre just not a fan of graded comics… and thats fine too!
@@ScoutReaper-zn1rz But a grade clearly isn't just a grade. It's a grade plus the hassle of sending it to CGC, the skill to spot a quality book, potentially the skill or expense to press and clean a book, and also the risk of getting a lower grade. And then the market values slabs from different companies differently.
@@ScoutReaper-zn1rz CGC is creating fake demand and carved out itself a great consumer niche. These books will soon show age and fading and need to be regraded as their cases are not UV protective. Give someone your valuables don’t be surprised if they don’t value them as you do.
I got 5 CGC bananas and I switched to CBCS. Screw resale value. I want my books to be straight and in a good slab. CBCS provides exactly that. Done with all the CGC scandals...
Hey, i hear ya. 🤘🏽
Yep, me too. I'll NEVER give CGC a Dime and I'll NEVER buy a CGC book sight unseen.
Keep them raw…don’t give up control of your property.
I don't get how you can complain about CGC and yet STILL send them your $$$$. THAT right there is why CGC keeps being shitty. Because people like you will just keeping sending them your books and $$$. Why should they change? You'll just keep sending them books because all you care about is precious resale value.
Go back and watch the video…
Pretty labels, lol
i got lost in all the bragging.
But yet everyone will keep sending them in. CBCS is clearly superior all around. Yes they aren't perfect. But CGC is a complete joke. But, the powers that be ( so called collectors) won't pay the same value for a better quality. Basically, stop whining about it if you keep using them. It makes you look silly.
Rewatch the video and pay attention next time.
@@paperchasecomics Still doesn;t change anything. The so called collectors will only use CGC because they sunk all the money into a crap company that clearly shows they are incompetent. But I can see you clearly can;t understand that. And judging by your comment to the last guy. You lost another viewer. Keep not caring. Your channel will only get smaller. Have fun failing
@paperchasecomics Pay attention to the damage to your books. They are NOT worth the prices you posted since they're NOT the grade the slab claims they are. If you say you're doing it for your customers then I'm guessing when you sell them you tell them : "CGC grade is a 9.8, actual grade is 9.2 with a bend and a hair"
CBCS doesn't damage books. That's true customer service, getting your book back the way you sent it.
@@williamlangeii4012
Missed this one. Still finding comments from ya! THANK YOU
so If youre educated in cleaning and pressing it’s actually easy to tell if your book is being damaged by what ive shown here. The slight bendgate afftect in my particular submission is not damaging. Its no more stress than a book would get sitting slanted in a 3/4 full short box.
HOWEVER… doesnt make it right. Im paying for them to be straight and well presenting.
As far as CBCS doesnt DAMAGE books… thats just incorrect. Im sure they do. People dont consider the sample sizes when comparing these two companies. If the amount of CGC books landed on CBCS door step they would face their own list of problems. Lets not forget get during COVID when they were sending submissions to graders houses for grading, and that time they lost something like over $70,000 dollars in comics from a customer. (Not exact amount but look it up) So my point is theyve had their fair share of negative headlines with even their small sample size of grading in the community.
How long you been working for em? 🤭
Youre lucky my stomach is acting up today, otherwise i wouldnt waste this much time replying to attention seeking commenters.
Ya mine are still at CGC to correct the damages from bends, sadly I dont thing they will fix my books. Im sending everythign to CBCS now cause my books are not high value, but its books I love and want displayed in my cases next to my statues that have sentimental value.
Plus, they can't fix color breaks anyway...unless they start using colored pencils... I'm sure that "service" is right around the corner, lol
I had a book in which they let a piece of painters tape get attached to the book and they actually photographed it as well. Fortunately it was a card stock book and could be removed without damage which they did for free. Still…no excuse for something so easy to see.
If you missed it. 1:01
I'm not sure about the vacuum theory as I've heard the inner seal is not airtight. Books need to "breathe" to let the outgasses escape, outgasses being the chemicals the book releases as it ages.
🤔.. i see what youre saying but ive cut them out these bags. I dont see where any air can possibly get in. But not saying thats impossible may be next crack out i will look closer
If you're a seller, and CGC is what's selling, not much you can do. Thankfully, I'm just a collector so i can enjoy myself with CBCS. Still, nice books!
You want get CGC's attention? Stop submitting.
Exciting video. I have been getting great CGC comics for less than CBCS now...keep it coming. I will CPR to PSA.
Funny how the market at large doesn't seem to respond to any of this
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People are deaf, dumb, and blind
@@paperchasecomics💯?!?! Dude, he's talking ABOUT YOU, 😅😅😅😅
@@williamlangeii4012 no he isnt… i dont buy graded comics. I said that in the video. I see how much fun youre having in my comment section. Keep it up.
Yesss clickbait 😂😂😂
thanks for the video I’m going to the same problem send the book 3 times with the same problem and they haven’t got it fixed 😂😂😂
Im starting to think they dont have a full understanding of the scope or cause of this issue.
@@paperchasecomicsWell, maybe if you keep doing the same thing it'll change. Oh, wait, isn't that the definition of insanity??😮😮
@@williamlangeii4012 this was my first submission in a year….
and first of the bendgate situation…
THAT AROSE AFTER THESE WERE SENT OUT.
Did you watch this full video?
Youre starting to look like an attention seeker with all these comments. It helps the video so im not complaining, but id be more than happy to send you a link to an open Mic on the show.
Why are you still sending books to Cgc even though you know quality control is a joke
This is all answered in the first minute and a half of this video
He likes damaged books, duh
People have to stop buying graded comics by the grade on the case and look at the book. The grade on the case is just the grade it was BEFORE they slabbed it. I keep seeing CGC 9.8s on eBay with multiple (4, 5) color breaks. I was looking at a New Mutants #1 Canadian Price Variant in 9.8 and it had 6 color breaks! And yes, it was a new CGC case serial number. I guess I'm only shocked it wasn't a 9.9 now.
I dont disagree.
The label is important in the sense of its a reflection of the book inside. People shouldnt just buy a comic based on either. Once the book is enclosed in a case it becomes a new thing entirely. Both should be evaluated. Label, case, and book.
Thats why all mine showing poor presentation due to the bending are already going back to CGC for reholder
Wow, Never knew they opened the box I sent them in, 20 years of grading and always thought they automatically knew what I sent them without opening it...imagine that.
😂😂😂😂
When you sell these slabs, are you disclosing the bend in these slabs (minor or major?). I am constantly seeing people complaining about CGC, yet you all keep using them because of the precious resale value. It's actually astonishing and mindboggling. It's like handing your car to an incompetent mechanic and expecting him to actually fix your car, but he/she never does, but you're ok paying him/her. Lol. Wild.
To everyone out there: BUY THE BOOK, NOT THE LABEL!
Ive had these for two days. Havent sold shit yet. When i do, full disclosure.
Sad part, even with rippling disclosed, theyd probably sell just as fast or as much as a CBCS… thats just the truth.
The label is a reflection of the book inside…
@@paperchasecomics I highly doubt a buyer would buy a CGC slab knowing full well that book is not what the grade states. A 9.8 with a noticeable bend in the slab would only worsen with time, much like Newton Rings show up a few months to a year.
@@paperchasecomicsYeah, but why would you want them destroyed in the first place if they sell the same as CBCS?!
@@williamlangeii4012 you think rippling is destroying a comic? You think slight bending that MY particular submission had is DAMAGE? This is why i advocate for every one to learn the art of pressing.
Interesting theory although I do not believe that is correct. Vacuum sealing the cases does not allow gases released during oxidation to escape and will cause a much faster degradation of the book. If you notice on Improve-Collecting-Comics video, the older books he had were exhibiting much smaller bends that were inconsistent which I suspect to be caused by reversion from the pressing he does before each submission (also they have substituted inner wells out in the past with larger/snaller sizes due to supply chain issues/defects, nowhere near the current magnitude). I have a ton of books before 2023 that are all very flat and have never pressed any of them (Materials Scientist who is not a fan of heating/oxidizing paper personally). You will also notice that people are thinking CGC made these changes in Dec 2023 which is not correct, the public caught on at that time but CGC had already started taking images of books at encapsulation and their ultrasonic welding process appears to have changed around Aug. 2023. You can easily test this by trying to open a book slabbed in 2021/22 (or before) and comparing that to one from Jan. 2024, it is night and day due to the higher frequecies & heat from friction that happen when they altered their ultrasonic welding process. Most importantly ultrasonic welding typically does not create a vacuum seal even if applied around the entire perimeter due to microscopic voids formed between the two polymers being welded (depending on frequency and application time of course). Great video and it would be nice to hear from CGC at some point instead of pretending like any of this is 'normal'!
Great info! All sounds plausible and makes sense. The fact that they are pretending that its not a big deal is my biggest trigger in this and would be the thing that keeps me from using them. Hopefully they get their shit together
Ultimate Fallout Hair 😂
Lmao
Ultimate Fallout Fur
I always kind of thought that temperature differences could also warp plastic(think going from an ice cold office to a hot humid Florida day outside and then back inside again).
Yes! This could for sure be a factor
waviness is not always from the slab, the book can be wavy too
Im not saying the waviness is the slab. It is the book. Created by the sleeve. These were pressed and sat pressed for 3 weeks. Theres a video of them ob the channel, presending them out.
I feel your frustrations for I have experienced several f ups by cgc. I had an eyelash come back in a case. Minthuntercomics said he had a pubic hair come back in a case, 🤮. I have also thought about the "each book has different considerations" like you mentioned. My theory is, encapsulations are done between 2-3 people where one is very good at it and the other two just can't get it right. Also, I wonder if cgc has a high turnover rate with employees.
I agree if it’s something worth grading do it. You can keep a comic you love from getting damaged graded that you can raw. Things happen and you just gotta do you. Keep it up friend! Great video! Click bait 😂 😜 🤣 lmao
Oh man, this is making me nervous, lol. I have a big book in waiting on. I'll need to recheck my previous returns. Excellent breakdown and sweet comics 🤘
catching up my dude
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love you lol
@Paper Chase Comics
Hey just letting you know I've unsubcribed to your channel. I'm not happy with the clickbait nature of the video. Any channel that clickbaits will be the last straw for me. Peace out.
Adios!!!
@@paperchasecomicsThat’s your reply lmao.
Was the title changed? I'm seeing "CGC Comics, Something has to change."
Nope title and thumbnail been the same since upload..
@@paperchasecomics You got some strange people watching your videos 😅
I feel some clickbait here?🤔🤔
I might be wrong about the clickbait.
Lmao
I hope CGC and grading companies in general get out of business soon. They destroy the medium, and they re actually one of the reasons comics have a huge sales drop the last decade.
Graded comics go…. The hobby will die out sooner. Dying on this hill
@@paperchasecomics I disagree. Graded comics promote value over quality, and not value because of quality. Selling tricks are good when they don't undermine the medium s original purpose, that is art, a good reading and entrertainment. Just like with the multiple variant covers overflowing the press. In simple terms, if the reader/collector with a limited budged buys a slab, that s 10 less new comic sales.
Respectfully disagree. This hobby needs to incorporate as many avenues of collecting as it can. Not saying new comics should die out or be less important, new comics die, the hobby dies as well.
You need multiple slides on this playground.
@@paperchasecomics Yes, you need a little bit of everything, of course, but not one capitalizing the others. Personally I don't trust these companies that much. Especially since they label as "flaws" actual printing flaws, and since they give a "lesser value" label to signed books outside their own system. (I don t know if they still doing this last one).
Why would they? Morons keep giving them money to damage their books. These UA-camrs must be making more money making the 100,000th video saying CGC ruined their books this week than they make selling their damaged books.
The hair in the case can be removed for free...stop crying
@@User8vfjhejf First it's a hassle going through the process, getting them to answer back and sending a shipping label then sending it and hopefully they don't damage it while reholdering it. Then all the waiting time and anxiety of hoping it comes back correct and not cracked.
He knows that… hes looking for attention
@@paperchasecomics A friend of yours? 😅
@@paperchasecomicslike this video?? 😂😂