The Last Campfire: Highlights (our final film!)
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2022
- This is our final film: the highlights from our closing event ‘The Last Campfire’ on November 5, 2022, where we gave Rebel Wisdom the send-off it deserves.
Featuring John Vervaeke, Ayishat Akanbi, Daniel Schmachtenberger, Adriana Forte and Nick Shore, with 150 people in person and 150 tuning in online from 40 countries. Covering some of the main themes we’ve explored on the channel through different talks and practices, we also hosted the first live conversation between Daniel Schmachtenberger and John Vervaeke. It was quite something, and we’ve left it uncut in this film so you can enjoy it.
You can read about what we’re doing next and how to follow our new projects on this Substack post: rebelwisdom.substack.com/p/th...
From both of us, a huge thank you for all your support over the years.
David, during the pandemic I got very sick and nearly died. On my recovery walks I would listen to RW and feel my body and mind grow stronger. I hope this message if gratitude. These words of hope. The contribute to your recovery. You are a wonderful man. Thank you. David.
So, was Bret Weinstein correct?!!
Seeing Daniel and John in communion like this is just so endearing.
Rebel Wisdom was one of the first channels I found (or found me) that really showed me just what UA-cam could be. Thank you Alex and David for the countless videos that have completely changed how I see the world. Thank you for introducing me to Daniel Schmachtenberger, Jordan Hall, Doshin Roshi, John Vervake, and SO many more!
Best wishes to everyone at the team, and I will keep a keen eye out for all of your projects going forward.
Unbelievable! Listening to John vervake and Daniel schmachtenberger total highlight! Tears also from Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
We've enjoyed all the contributions from Rebel Wisdom. Good luck to David and the rest with the next part of the journey. Stay strong.
Sending love and healing to David. Thank you, both, for this project. It has completely changed my life.
Rebel Wisdom has been a huge influence for me, and I am grateful for all your work. I look forward to seeing and participating in what is next. Thank you both.
Don't let UA-cam tell you what to think. You Tube is NOT a reliable source FOR ANYTHING.
Well, to say you will be missed is an understatement. Rebel Wisdom was like a sanity touchstone throughout the Covid period, and myself and a group of us in Melbourne, would like to thankyou David and Ali, for the brilliant work you have put in to bring us some of the best minds on the planet. We'll done and all the best with what is to come.
For just over an hour from 1:41:21 Daniel and John ARE the fire, fanning and fuelling flames of profundity, burning intensely bright with the warmth and light of insight. 🔥
John at the start is great as well. 🙏
Thanks for all that you've done, I hope this next chapter for those at Rebel Wisdom is a beautiful one.
I'm an artist in the entertainment business these discussions are ubiquitous and crucial in my life, I've been listening since 2016 like many others, you can't know how important your channel has been! At the time I was very much alone, without ways to participate and without community, but now it's very different and I'm applying a lot of what I learned long ago. Thanks so much!
Thank you guys for all you've done, the whole team and community. Rebel Wisdom was the best spring board into these sense-making ideas, self development tools and everything else. You put me onto many of my favourite thinkers, the impact is incalculable. Good luck for the future, with metta.
A fine and fitting tribute. As a Logotherapist, what Daniel and John discuss, to me - compliments, if not further transforms Viktor Frankl's work. Thank you Rebel Wisdom.
I love to listen to you guys, make me gain a lots of knowledges. 💗👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏💗
I’m such a nerd! I actually teared up at the end of John and Daniel’s conversation. It makes me so happy to see these two exchange ideas and do so with so much eloquence and respect. It’s an honor to behold. Thank you.
Not a nerd, just human :)
Thank you Rebel Wisdom for a wonderful journey. Brilliant work David. Many thanks.
Really grateful to have found a space that has helped me digest the crazy world we live in 💜 also grateful for how inspired I’ve felt from this Channel . Thankyou rebel wisdom
thank you you've been one of my favorit channel through the years.
hope david find healing.
god bless you all
Wishing David the best. Hope he feels better soon.
Rebel Wisdom has been an anchor during some very turbulent years politically, culturally, and personally as I found this channel during my entry in to graduate school in NYC. I was very shocked and disappointed in the limited and dogmatic discourse happening in academia and RW helped me understand the larger context and players involved in skewing collective speech and thinking. Having been raised in an authoritarian religion, I did not have many examples and demonstrations of sensemaking outside of formal schooling, but David and Alex's accessible and stimulating conversations gave me a template for the types of discussions I wanted to hear and participate in. I am excited to see and support what is next and I have such gratitude for what you've so generously shared.
You've simply change my life, and the life of my community, in an unspeakably profound way...
Thank you for blazing a trail of sanity that we could walk and find new trails through
All the Love❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Good stop making films forever
Thanks for all you've done! Without Rebel Wisdom, I'm not sure I ever would've gotten interested in 2nd tier thinking, systems thinking or the ongoing Metacrisis. Had never heard of these 5 years ago and spent much time digging myself into these themes during your run. Also, Schmachtenberger led me to the work of Nate Hagens, another human whose lessons I value.
REbel Wisdom gave sense to muchof what we do, showed beyond our knowing that it is needed. Thank you ALEX thank you David and Thank you Daniel S. Jordan, John who have been accesible, and a endless resource of inspiration and yes, medicine. It's been healing too.
Thanks to David have followed almost every episode. Hope he's been guided to the gratitude and appreciation from all the comments below.
Thanks for all your good work. You will be missed
Looking forward to what's next - bravo!
The weirdest thing about the entire Rebel Wisdom video library is that it documents the people and ideas from the beginning of the Reset and its a big Fn collection too. I find it really useful to re-watch some of these topics seeing that the political circus is starting to warm up again. No recaps or follow ups... ? Thanks RW 💛
Sorry to here about your health David!
I send love and gratitude for all the wonderful people you've introduced to me over the years.
I hope you feel better soon!
Daniel and Johns meeting is epic!
Thank you for everything. The channel was a really important part of my path ❤️
🙏No words, here. I'm a largely silent, but deeply grateful fan. Thank you a thousand times!
Wisdom comes from study, practice and experience. Growth happens. Religion literally means to reconnect. As a Unificationist, ecologist and holistic researcher understanding original identity, purpose and value, universally connected with the original parent to everything and with an understanding of original deviation which affected original love and sexuality response ability. Ritual is symbolic practice generating an image or vision leading to substantial experience. I really appreciate your journey and informative discussion. My context is formed by Divine Principle. Thanks again and best wishes for the future conscious development of our cosmic human family.
Daniel and John... what a fantastic occurrence and beautiful human beings.
This channel has been awesome, opened my eyes.
going to really miss RW thank all involved, 1ove
When is the last time you've seen a film about two people happily married for 30 years?
I had an instantaneous answer.
Roger Ebert reviewing _Another Year_ (2010):
"He begins with Tom and Gerri, a North London couple who have been happily married for years. Immediately you can see the risks Leigh is prepared to take. A happy marriage? Between two wise and lovable people? Who are intelligent and alert to the real world? Not caricatures, not comforting, not cliches, but simply two people I wish I knew? I'd look forward to them every time I visited their house and be slow to leave."
Out of roughly 1000 films in my personal memory bank, I considered myself lucky to find one.
It's the beginning of the end for us individually but the end of the beginning for the community as a whole, right? This is absolutely true for me in my life right now. Major change is upon me. I'm just trying to keep my head on straight through it so I don't fall into many possible pitfalls in the process.
Thanks always
You were, are, amaizing. I'm so sorry this is the last episode. Good luck to all of you. God bless you, may all your future plans become what you intend:))) All absolute best!!!
Be well, David. You sound so much like my friend James B from london whom we lost to depression and isolation three years ago just this week. He almost made it to 40. The world is a better place with David Fuller in it.
I sort of fell off from this channel about a year ago (what in the world was that Better Skeptics thing?), but I'm looking forward to what you guys do next. Good health and good luck to David!
You changed so many lifes with your sharp and detailed logical debating on RebelWisdom forever. A healthy meaningful change I utilize to make the world a better place everyday, thanks to you David.
Your heroic sense making will ripple meaningful change in the world, may you overcome your own personal difficulties where ever you find yourself. Let's of love ❤️🔥
Enjoyed listening to people discuss niche topics over the years. Good luck
I wish I discovered RW earlier, but nonetheless it's helped me hugely over the past year in a time of great personal struggle to make sense of the world--I'm sad it's ending and am very grateful to everyone who put it together. I wish I was able to meet some of you for real! David and Ale, you're inspirational. Thank you.
Bravo, thanks RW
Pre Corona Rebel Wisdom was quite an inspiration for me.
But then I was quite puzzled, that David seemingly could not see behind what was going on (one could sense this, imo, e.g. with the exchange with ZDogg), so all the "rebel wisdom", was - in my eyes, at least - not very much wisdom, and not very much "rebel". I then quite gave up on this channel. Thanks anyway for your work!
Same here, complete failure at what was supposed to be their bread and butter. Finally unsubbing today. Should have done it ages ago.
Baby / Bathwater
@@fitprotunes wheat/chaff. People who went along with Covid measures put others lives at risk.
Thank you for your work and effort to produce your content, RW. I stumbled across your videos 4 years ago when I felt painfully alone and very unsure of what my masculinity meant. Your guests provided me the beginnings of a map to wholeness and integration. All my best to the RW team and all my fellow listeners who accompanied us on this phenomenal ride!
Thanks to Rebel Wisdom - i will continue to follow you and the many voices of the sensemaking landscape.
On John Vaerveke intervention, he spoke about an article he wrote in collaboration but i can't find it. Is it possible to get the link to see his work ?
Thanks! My saying about 1:46:00 I have some mental health issues, and when I see how the world and cultures are collapsing is like I am proyecting outside all my internal turmoil, but after a catarsis I am not that much fatalist. But again, love and peace maybe is also a filter... so be it.
Thank you & good luck. See you on the other side.
It’s so special to see Daniel and John in conversation. Two of my heroes and biggest inspirations.
I miss this channel. Please make more
Videos.
The fire shall keep you company when you may be alone. This timeless elder shall come to those who call to those whose attention is captivated by the truth and wisdom that flows to you through the flames.
.I am a fire keeper for 45 years. Tonight there shall be no time as those who dare to listen with their hearts may feel the messages sent through the flames across all time.
In the circle of zero the infinite dwells.. Have no fear of the truths that you must face. There is nothing to fear in truth. Unless you are a liar. The journey continues.....
Really hope to see those two speak again
David, I miss you so much, I hope we will find a even better David, if that's possible, in next months, and it will be wonderfull for everybody.
1:58:54 John, when you said this I immediately thought to myself, “no one reads great novels any more.” I think reading great works of fiction is an excellent way to learn about taking other perspectives. You get to see inside the minds of the characters and realize the ways in which their thinking is similar to yours, and, crucially, how it is different. Do you think people are reading a lot less great fiction these days? And if so, do you think that hinders their ability to understand perspectival knowing?
I am glad Johnathon Rowsons ending of the begining and beginning of the ending part was kept in.
Was that the spirit of the trickster
In this liminal space that was never fully developed or explored by Rebel Wisdom over their time together?
Tyson Yunkaporta could have been a way in for being curious to this configuration/archetype/pattern that most definitely occurs in this space.
Is it because the trickster is seen as being embodied in deconstruction, post structuralism, post modernism, post humanism?? It could have been a fruitful enquiry that Bayo Akomolafe and Tyson Yunkaporta are delving into?
I do miss RW though......thanks for the impact and insight.
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Cheers
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I want to echo the appreciation, great work! If it's not too late, the recording level of John Vervaekes' voice is too low for me to hear. I don't hear well so probably not an issue for most but it's not available for me to benefit from.
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The more I listened to Rebel Wisdom, the less sense it made. It turned into a jelly of vagueness and ideology, rather than anything based on reason.
Heh. Big love to David. Hope you recover fully soon!
The ever evolving human walking forward to be coming a better human being
Needs to be connected to all breathing and living things on planet earth
to be called a total human being
If you have gifts and means it’s a human right thing to do
is to lift up all of humanly not oppress or enslave humans
8 billion humans moving forward for a better life for all ✌️
This channel has been a source of wisdom and light for me since I discovered it 3 years ago. Thanks for doing what you do and I look forward to the next evolution of RW. I also send David Fuller good thoughts for a robust recovery from his health issues.
The return Home. This place, I mourn, for the time that took me away. So different from where I have been. . . .
A glint inside, a spark in sight, then another flash of gold, slowly my treasures unfold.
and now I begin to remember ... I should not waste this time with such treasures I hold inside.
Rest in Power RW
I loved to listen to your channel and will miss it! Thank you for your wonderful contribution to the online discussions
Damn it, was meant to be at that last retreat but my car broke down on the way! 😒
2:43:30 Marking that exchange down for multiple additional viewings in the near future. Repeat encounters in my unreasonably divergent media orbit are _very_ rare and selective.
Vaccine injuries
The voice of reason in a time of craziness.
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"EVERY WISH FULFILLED" E.T.
31:06 When you are touching you are being touched. Caring contact and connectedness.
32:56 Wisdom is not optional.
33:55 Don't tell me what you believe in, tell me what you practice.
34:46 Nones: Spiritual but not religious.
36:57 Post-Christian autodidactic spiritual bypassing.
42:00 Flow state and videogames. Anti-flow=depression.
43:15 Next Buddha is the Sangha. Meta-dialogical practices.
45:43 Opponent processing.
47:54 Task-focused network and default mode network.
49:09 There is no panacea practice.
53:19 Relevance realization is not calculation. It's caring. Artificial division between mind and heart.
55:07 Romantic love isn't romantic. To love something is to acknowledge that something other than yourself is real.
1:43:18 Domicide. On asking about meaning of life while not living fully. Cognitively generated existential angst.
1:47:42 4 types of knowing.
1:49:30 Hypernormal stimuli proliferate in hypernormal environments. Lying vs Bullshit.
1:54:03 Relevant yet non-obvious things and learning. Meta-perspectival ability.
1:59:45 Notion of monological self-enclosed monadic cognition is false.
2:02:45 On "finding yourself".
2:05:36 On loving wisely.
2:08:26 Not so obvious advices on how to decide who to trust.
2:12:40 Virtues which sustain meaning in life. Connectedness to reality.
2:17:05 "what would you like to exist even if you don't". Love is not a feeling.
2:21:40 Recognition, gratitude and obligation of experiencing. A moment of infinite depth.
2:28:58 On grief, grieving together and trauma processing with others.
2:34:40 Similarities between grief and wonder. Ability to be with other's pain and other's joy.
2:35:28 How to get educated in all of that without resorting to classical religions?
rollergator sends his regards
Shall we call it-
Cortex of Spider Women’s Web
Targeted individuals
Some of these days, I'll miss you honey.
Is rebel wisom dead? Why?
A channel focused on sense-making and truth-finding like this could easily be attacked by those who only embrace "narrative".
Although I don't know the reason, I'm very sad to see this happen.
@ninstar8165 I'm not surprised he did a really nasty hit piece on Jordan Peterson. It wasn't objective journalism it was an unbalanced attack. Fortunately JP has a bigger following that the guy with the beard who used to work at Channel 4.
@@oliverbrown8038 I was not aware of that, thanks.
David didn't have a great opinion of James Lindsay either. Said he was inflammatory.
As much as I loved the Rebel Wisdom videos, they did a lot of naval gazing!
Cheers bro.
I was really taken aback when I noticed Vervaeke called science problematic. The problem with that is our understanding of universal processes is accelerating due to accelerating science and our powers in the world are accelerating as a result of accelerating technology. If you find this problematic, you will never ever grasp or solve the meaning crisis. The reason religions simply do not speak to us anymore is accelerating science and technology have radically reshaped our human realm. It isn't the human realm that it was during the Axial Age. And from the viewpoint of the traditionalists, the 21st century is going to get worse and worse--because the human realm of 2022 will NOT be the human realm of 2032 and will NOT be the human realm of 2042. We are in for further and further accelerations. It's not ending at any conceivable future date. I've watched a number of these interesting videos presented here on Rebel Wisdom and have noticed how little rebellion was really being communicated. Rebellion is natural when the world is changing so rapidly. Unfortunately most of the thinkers here have no idea, none, of what is really going down and what is really likely to go down in the years and decades to come. I leave Rebel Wisdom as completely frustrated. Face reality, rapidly changing reality or the meaning crisis will leav you in the dust. :(
Whahahahahahahahahaha….the new beginnings start I know how can we are fighting with our head …….😅😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉😂😅
1:57:03
It was content from RW that cut through the haze and woke my butt up. I can't remember if it was Jordan Peterson or Jordan Hall that I saw first, but regardless I was not red-pilled, but grey-pilled. The rabbit hole you provided allowed me to maintain my sanity and yes, sense-making, so I didn't reject Post modernism so much as move past it. I can see the faults in the Blue Church narrative but did not need to run to Trumpism. Perhaps early exposure (late 80's) to Wilber helped with that but certainly the phenomenonal thinkers you interviewed and hosted were instrumental in getting me through the last few years. Cheers to both of you in all that you choose to do in life!
1:59:30
2:08:30
1:50:00
I remember this being a good convo, but not why I'm commenting.
Hope David's doing ok. Bridging the gap between mainstream and internet culture was never going to be easy, but completely vanishing for a year, makes me miss that he was someone who tried. There's not the same cross-connection vibe he gives elsewhere and he bounced off forces greater than himself in trying. As many of us would come up against those same forces trying the same thing, I just hope he's doing ok. He did good work. The shallow online appropriation of Bret or David's side when a strong disagreement arose, I still wonder how that could be avoided. I was more on David's side for the vaccine debate, but I didn't want to reject Bret in other ways when I liked videos he was in, yet I felt that tention of the online space asking me to pick a side. But that whole offering pushback without alienating thing is hard, atleast for cases such as that. I feel David might have some insights on it, and if RW was still around he'd have told us.
Perhaps he will return, and this channel bounce back.
If not, we have and can share the wisdoms we have learned. Circling and Shadow Work are my big takeaways.
@@ninstar8165 Yeah. Maybe. Sometimes gaps (in content) can make the wisdom greater. A moment of silence in the greater pattern.
For circling, despite appreciating the wisom of it I never got over what feels like a shutting down of my social fluancy in groups of people. (I'm autistic (and introverted) in this.) For shadow-work, the faults built into our virtues will always be there. Being aware of them, so we mitigate our worst tendancies, will always be important. I have a shadow over why I don't want to do circling, for example, but not all shadows are lifted by naming them.
I subjectively felt their first videos were best, because I hadn't heard the ideas before. Objectively though, it probably went the other way. It certainly felt more ambitious in what they were trying to do later on. That perception difficulty could be part of why they stopped.
@@TimeGhost7 So, do you mean that giving others room to speak leaves you unable to express yourself? Yes, I can see that'd be an issue. Especially if the other speaker is assertive. I think having a third party to mediate would help, like a referee. Let TimeGhost speak!! xD
I don't think we can lift shadow characteristics! They are the ballast to our ship. Being aware is super important, though.
Perhaps they'd covered all the ground they could? The only thing left was ACTION. Rebel Wisdom pulled out before the Culture War began, leaving the rest of us holding the bag!
Thanks for the chat, all the best :)
@@ninstar8165 I believe that expression space (via a referee or group dynamic) would happen in circling. It's more I am unsure of myself when given too broad a direction and thus tend to say nothing, which is easier when not participating. And yes. We live with our shadows.
I think their inspiration might have been waning. They did relate their wisdom to the political fighting and their action was the group events, so I don't see what was unsaid/undone in those same terms. But yes. Thank you for the chat. :) I wish you well.
1:45:20
Final comment.
Rebel Wisdom was great as a channel that presented interesting intellectuals. But the motivations, assumptions, and contexts were never properly questioned. So it became a cult, which was made obvious in this episode. Regarding the meaning crisis, it was telling that JV said it needed 50 hours to define, and he defined it in negative terms ("Self-deception and self-destruction" and "Seeking wisdom but not finding it"). I see the so-called meaning crisis as positive because it is about the collapsing of the false. If we just notice that our happiness is not dependent on maintenance or gain (including meaning and a new religion), then it will all work out for the best. That's because there is nothing wrong with us. The problem was survival triggers and societal illusion, not people. Regarding the dialogue between DS and JV, it showed that gathering innumerable ideas won't solve the problem. Instead, we just need to end the illusion that humans are dependent and faulty. Find the cause of the leaky boat and you won't need to keep generating ideas to fill the holes.
What happened to this channel?
I was gutted when I realized :(
May I ask, have you found any similar channels? Triggernometry is good, I think.
I'm 25 min in..but I have to say this Dave u need to get your shit together and get better..I have been here from the start and done many of the online retreats...which were great..u guys changed the narrative and brought something new but needed to this medium...get better soon and thank to u and Alex...loss is tough but a part of this whatever it is its a lesson...thanks pal...u changed my thinking process..for the better..Good look in the future
blathering
There was a lady in a video in the background raising a cup to her mouth. Was that allowed back then? There is something wrong with that.
Lol
At 09:00 - how sad for his children that he's not present with them on their way to school, that 'Daddy's' there but checked out, like so many parents today. Ffs, do better.