Trinitarian Heresies: Manichean Sects (Intro to Trinitarian Theology)

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  • @omarrivera3936
    @omarrivera3936 Рік тому +7

    I’m very grateful for your work and ministry. As someone who was made to feel like I would be compromising the gospel if I was anything but reformed your videos have been refreshing and very educational. May God continue to bless you as you work in as his servant.

  • @solafidedeum
    @solafidedeum Рік тому +6

    1 Corinthians 2:10 "These things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God." Let God’s Peace and Grace be with you (To The Reader). Praise God always,.. Amen 🕆🙏🙌

  • @Daniel12.4Ministry
    @Daniel12.4Ministry 6 місяців тому +2

    Trinity doctrine was invented in the late second century. Modern Trinity doctrine is very different than the original form.
    Jesus is a part of the Father and the Spirit is the spirit of Jesus Christ and the Father.
    "I and my Father are ONE." "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father."

  • @ryanmunro4438
    @ryanmunro4438 Рік тому +13

    Quite the coincidence that this is posted just after I read about St. Augustine leaving Manichaeism in Confessions.

  • @hofii2
    @hofii2 Рік тому +2

    I appreciate the "watching and/or listening". I fall into the "and" category. I watch when they come out on UA-cam and then listen (at 1.25 speed) when they hit the podcast RSS feed.

    • @jonathandoe1367
      @jonathandoe1367 Рік тому

      Interesting. I just listen to them on UA-cam while playing video games. To each their own! :)

  • @vitaignis5594
    @vitaignis5594 Рік тому +7

    Do you hold concerns about Augustine struggling with his manichaean past and even at times infusing it into his theology?

    • @AnthonyL0401
      @AnthonyL0401 8 місяців тому +1

      Every philosophy and religion has elements from others, even Christianity. If Jesus is okay with being with sinners, he's okay with someone holding slight variations

  • @poordoubloon10
    @poordoubloon10 Рік тому +2

    What is the difference between Augustinian idea(s) like: "having being is participating _in Being_ ..", Sin as privation of The Good (aka "non-Being"), etc.
    ... And a more Gnostic theory of emanation? Even in Christian neoplatonism, there seems to be an idea of "sliding scale" ontology. I guess I haven't figured out where the line should be drawn.

  • @paulblase3955
    @paulblase3955 Рік тому +3

    Could you possibly address the "Pauline vs Petrine" issue? I run into it all the time.

  • @peterhook2258
    @peterhook2258 Рік тому +2

    In light of the most cutting edge academics there is a responsibility to closely view the origination of ideas which were not found in Judaism pre first century that Yeshua's faith brought forth. First Yeshua's faith was very very diverse from literalism to symbolism to anti Jewish roots to pro Jewish roots to a mix. But...what Christianity , Islam and Judaism all have in common is Persian influence. An afterlife, a saviour figure, a coming apocalypse, the spirit world, heaven/hell, satan etc etc etc. All these owe to Persian roots and no mystery as who do you think the priest was who blessed Abraham prior to there being an Abrahamic faith. Zoroastrianism and by extension Manicheanism have more to offer in our understanding of Christ than meets the eye. I always marvel at how Protestant and Restoration Christians doggedly define the Christian position according to Orthodox positions of whom they have actively resisted. Indeed perhaps the true answer to literalism, academics and sectarianism is to go back to the very very diverse early Christian beliefs...all freely thinking and discussing, all brothers and sisters with similarities and differences about even a fundamental thing such as the godhood and personhood of their central figure. What a world we live in where we define our own creeds based on the decisions our opposing authority gives us. all that saye aye aye are in our club all opposed are not. How about if Christ is your anchor you are in, and free to learn and grow among us. What a thought..whod a thunk it. And Christian and pre Christian scriptures? why are we only accepting the current composition, look around...is it working? Truth, Love, Balance and Freedom to think and discuss while still being in community...that is what is needed, or Christianity's crisis will continue to magnify under the onslaught of truth and academics.

  • @hermanhale9258
    @hermanhale9258 Рік тому +2

    Amazing. I learned a lot. I consider myself a dualist. I like Mani literature.

  • @ulty1472
    @ulty1472 Рік тому +2

    13:16 i chuckled at his name being Mani. I was expecting to be like Manichea or something

    • @lilyduck4538
      @lilyduck4538 10 місяців тому

      I chuckled too, the name mani feels very modern somehow doesn't it?

    • @ulty1472
      @ulty1472 10 місяців тому

      @@lilyduck4538 fr

  • @jeffmarlatt6538
    @jeffmarlatt6538 7 місяців тому

    I am aware that there is a so-called "Neo-Manichaeism" religious movement.
    But I heard that the Manichee religion had gone extinct.
    What resources can you recommend to learn about the modern day remnant of the original followers of Mani ?

  • @pamphilus3652
    @pamphilus3652 Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the teaching brother it is very helpfull

  • @Bruno-ov9ew
    @Bruno-ov9ew Рік тому +2

    Dr Cooper, do you plan to do a video on "modern" heresies like kardecism and mormonism?

  • @Silvertestrun
    @Silvertestrun 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @judahdawkins9635
    @judahdawkins9635 Рік тому +1

    brother please please please cover new age, new thought, and philosophy!! and maybe working in biblical theology to combat the christological heresies within those religiophilosophical influences on our culture and even starting invade the thoughts of uncareful believers

  • @zacdredge3859
    @zacdredge3859 3 місяці тому

    Really fascinating how much the Euchites resemble Buddhist ideology.

  • @dekuparadox5972
    @dekuparadox5972 Рік тому +1

    I'm confused. So what does God have if He doesn't have a physical body? Like the Bible describes people seeing God's back and other body parts throughout the Bible, so I really don't get it~

    • @fernandoperez8587
      @fernandoperez8587 Рік тому

      God is three spiritual (not physical) persons in one being. God the Son is the image of the unseen God (which would include the Father and I suppose the Holy Spirit as well).
      When ever someone saw God in the Bible they saw the Son unless it specifically says they saw the Father (like in Stephens vision at his martyrdom in Acts 7:56).

    • @dekuparadox5972
      @dekuparadox5972 Рік тому +1

      @@fernandoperez8587 So does God have a spiritual body then?

  • @janbasdegroot2186
    @janbasdegroot2186 Рік тому +1

    The heretics talking about God transcending the trinity in prayer make me think about some radical Protestants, but also Eastern Orthodox who emphasize the essence-energy distinction. Interesting group

  • @Ben_G_Biegler
    @Ben_G_Biegler Рік тому

    When is the book on doctrine of God coming out?

  • @donatist59
    @donatist59 11 місяців тому

    This is the first I've ever heard of Manichees still surviving in China today. Would love to see some actual evidence of this. And please don't say "Google it."

  • @gideonopyotuadebo2304
    @gideonopyotuadebo2304 8 місяців тому

    The trinitarians have refused to fully repent and fully convert from idolatry unto Godliness and are linging to borrowed idolatrous theoñogy, tradition and frastscontrary to the law of God Yehovah
    YEHOVAH THE ANOINTER
    ALONE IS
    The God
    The King (Ruler, Head)
    The Lord (Master)
    The Lawgiver
    The Covenantgiver
    The Judge (Rewarder, Recompenser)
    The Creator (Maker, Former)
    The Begetter
    The Father
    The Saviour (Redeemer, Deliverer)
    The Helper
    The Lover
    The Blesser
    Of
    His Mashiach lord the king, messenger, servant, lawgiver, judge, saviour, prophet, priest, shepherd, son, people.
    God Yehovah is the owner of the kingdom,, power, throne and people and salvation.
    The Godship of Yehovah the true God is not an alliance or a union with any other but solely by Yehovah the most high alone. God King Yehovah in council is above all that are around him
    Yehovah is the Anointer of his anointed (mashiach, christ). God Yehovah is not an anointed (mashiach, christ)
    Yehovah is the sender of his messenger (angel, sent). God Yehovah is not a messenger (angel, sent).
    Yehovah is the creator (maker, former) begetter and father of men his sons. God Yehovah is not a son of God nor a man nor a son of man.
    God Yehovah alone is the most high above all in all. Yehovah has no like, equal or compare, no predecessor, mate or successor. There is none else besides Yehovah
    THERE IS NO GOD BESIDES YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NO GOD BEFORE YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NO GOD WITH YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NO GOD AFTER YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NONE ELSE
    THERE IS NO GOD LIKE YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NO GOD EQUAL TO YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NO GOD COMPARED TO YEHOVAH
    THERE IS NONE ELSE
    YEHOVAH IS THE FIRST AND THE LAST
    YEHOVAH
    HE WAS
    HE IS
    HE WILL BE
    YEHOVAH
    ALONE IS GOD
    ALONE IS THE SAVIOUR
    ALONE IS THE MOST HIGH
    1 Kings 1:36 ASV
    And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada answered the king, and said, Amen: Jehovah, the God of my lord the king, say so too.
    1 Chronicles 29:10-12,20 ASV
    Wherefore David blessed Jehovah before all the assembly; and David said, Blessed be thou, O Jehovah, the God of Israel our father, for ever and ever. [11] Thine, O Jehovah, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O Jehovah, and thou art exalted as head above all. [12] Both riches and honor come of thee, and thou rulest over all; and in thy hand is power and might; and in thy hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all. [20] And David said to all the assembly, Now bless Jehovah your God. And all the assembly blessed Jehovah, the God of their fathers, and bowed down their heads, and worshipped Jehovah, and the king.

  • @reegstasaurus
    @reegstasaurus 5 місяців тому

    You should do the podcast without your shirt on

  • @jeremygunter8806
    @jeremygunter8806 4 місяці тому

    In some areas, I thought you were being very fair in your analysis, like at around 32 minutes when you cautioned that one should not take what the heresiologists claimed about Manichaeans as undisputed fact because they clearly didn't have any reason to portray them in a fair light.
    However, once you started talking about the Audianists, your video was hard to get through in places. Not because the topics were particularly complex, but because of your occasional eagerness to dismiss other people's belief systems. I came here to learn about what Manicheans and other unorthodox groups believed, not to listen to a dogmatic take on why other people who believe differently are naive, and childish. At around 52 minutes, your take on the restorationist movements was also very dismissive. Overall, though, it wasn't one-sided enough to keep me from continuing on in the series.

  •  9 місяців тому +1

    You lack the wisdom to speak of this subject. You sure did read a thing or two, but the total lack of wisdom, humility and skepticism is worst than with most hobbyists.

    • @conniestone6251
      @conniestone6251 5 місяців тому

      AGREED ! The lack of interest in gaining knowledge is astounding! (unless he Lies to inhibit his listeners from seeking their own information?)

  • @redeemedzoomer6053
    @redeemedzoomer6053 Рік тому

    Jordan Cooper: Macedonianism is the only heresy relating to the Holy Spirit
    Of course the Lutheran simps for Eastern Orthodoxy by not mentioning the Filioque debate

    • @peccatorjustificatus777
      @peccatorjustificatus777 Рік тому

      Everybody knows that we Lutherans simp for your mum not for easterners.

    • @lilyduck4538
      @lilyduck4538 10 місяців тому +1

      What is that debate? I've heard references but it's hard to pin down?

  • @marilynmelzian7370
    @marilynmelzian7370 8 місяців тому

    In regard to anthropomorphism, I read a Wikipedia article that claimed that the Bible that God has a body.😏

  • @level98bearhuntingarmor
    @level98bearhuntingarmor Рік тому +1

    Its unfortunate that I can see how these teachings could have fooled people

    • @peterhook2258
      @peterhook2258 Рік тому +1

      on the contrary , its fortunate because it is the divine within you that is aware.something is amiss.

  • @SojournerDidimus
    @SojournerDidimus Рік тому +1

    This sounds like a proto-bahai faith.