The Second Schweinfurt Raid - The USAAF's Black Thursday, October 1943 - Animated
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- The Pointblank Directive is issued to allied bomber forces, and the combined bomber offensive switches its focus to destroying the German aircraft production industry. The American 8th Air Force went to Schweinfurt in August 1943, sustaining heavy losses. Now in October, the bomber boys must go back, and the Luftwaffe is ready and waiting for them.
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My grandpa was with the 353rd FG flying the P-47 escort for this mission. He snapped a photo of one of the B-17s, with the pilot waving to him. The B-17 survived that mission and made it through the war, and through a twist of irony the pilot of that B-17 wound up moving in next door to my grandpa in 1955. They were friends until the B-17 pilot died in 1999, and his son remains good friends with my dad to this day.
That's an amazing story. What's your grandfather's name and rank?
That is an awesome story. Thanks for sharing!
@@alexanderleach3365 While I don't give names out online, he was a 1st Lieutenant for most of the war. Prior to the start of WW2 he was an instructor at the Cal Aero Academy, which was a civilian flight school that trained military pilots. When the war broke out the Cal Aero instructors were given the option to be commissioned into the AAF as fighter pilots since they were already fully trained in basic, advanced and pursuit pilot school.
He started the war on the P-39 in a non-combat role, repositioning them from upstate NY to Alaska for delivery to the USSR under lend-lease, and was assigned the the 353rd in I think April 1943 after completing training on the P-47. He stayed with them until the end of the war.
@@etops8086 oh cool he trained out in Chino, CA. A lot of those hangars are still there today
@@etops8086 Amazing.
"That co-pilot, knowing he was about to die, did one of the coolest gestures I've ever seen."
I'm willing to bet "cool" meant "calm" in those days instead of "proper bitchin" but it works on both levels.
Wtf is proper bitchin
you just know it was 'metal'
Any man who can die calm is a badass
I hope that guy was decorated posthumously. He chose to stay at the controls so his guys could get out and gave up his life for them.
@@chardaskie Five MOH were awarded for the Ploesti mission (Aug 1, 43), two for pilots that flew their damaged aircraft into the inferno of the refinery under attack.
My father was a young navigator on one of these B-17s. He flew on many missions, I think greater than the usual maximum. He never thought of himself as heroic. He never wanted to talk about it, but he quite obviously suffered from PTSD. Spaces with open skies freaked him out. And he'd sometimes wake in the middle of the night screaming about fires. The only time he mentioned something about the military was when I ended up with a low lottery number late in the Vietnam War and I seemed to have a good chance of being drafted. My father said that he had been told that WWII and what he went through was "the war to end all wars." In order to avoid the draft, my parents were getting ready to move our family to Canada. But they ended the draft just before I would have been called and we didn't move.
Some decades later I traveled to Franconia in Germany, not too far from Schweinfurt, to work. I told my father, who said that there was nothing to see there since it was all bombed out. Later, in order to buy familiar American foods for Thanksgiving, I took my family to the US Military base at Bamberg. I had ID which I used to get me on base, but they (German Bundeswehr soldiers guard the entry) would not let my wife and daughter on base. My father was furious about that. I do not know what he said, but next time we went there my family was personally met by the base commander who showed us around.
My father died about a decade ago. He must have been one of the heroes in these and other raids.
Very nice video. It helped me know what my father went through.
My maternal grandfather fought with the Scottish 16th Highland Light Infantry all across Belgium, France, the Low Countries, and into Germany.
After the he got back from the Occupation (he arrived back in Scotland in 1920, no jobs, no celebrations... didn't even get formally discharged), he got a couple of jobs, saved up, put himself through textile college, and then went to Canada to work in a textile mill.
Dad told me that grandad never slept in the same bed all night. He got up every 2-3 hours and moved to a different part of the house. It was because, in the trenches, if you stayed in the same place all night, you got located and killed. That he did for many years (I didn't see it when he moved in with us in about 1975) but must have got past that.
Grandad knew, on some level, that our German neighbours in the 1980s had nothing to do with the Germans he fought in the trenches. That said, he did the minimal politeness required and then went to his room when they visited. The memories were still there when the accent appeared.
When he had a stroke and sundowner's syndrome, at night he relived snippets of the past. He was very animate. At one point, he was having a one-sided conversation about him and his friend getting back across no-man's land from a patrol. They were hiding in a shell crater and my grandad was trying to get his friend Jock to be quiet so they didn't draw the attention of the German patrols nearby. Jock was complaining he couldn't feel one of his arms. My grandad was comforting him and shushing him up so he could get back to British lines after the Germans would pass. At one point,, grandad said 'Shh, they are close. I know you can't feel your arm. It's not their anymore. Now shush and we'll get home and get you fixed up.'
That was what he was doing at 17. And after you came home - no decompression time before returning to civil society, no therapy for the horrors, no veteran's affairs to any notable degree... just 'go back to work if you can find it'.
PTSD physically changes the brain (it being somewhat plastic). It is a long time demon if you don't get the help or the right help. I think my grandfather living with us from when I was born to 1988 was part of what let him continue and the fact he gave back as a 60 year Mason helping his community.
I love how you include people from Germany's side when you can. It's great hearing more than one source of information for an event. It paints a better picture
I would love for someone to dedicate a video series on Medal of Honor stories from the nazi and “bad guy sides” of wars.
For example: people like the Von Richthofen and Otto skorzeny are good starts. I think their bravery when analyzed separate from their morals is still deserving of praise
@@ellists3163doesn’t armchair historian have this for Germany?
Ray Bullock was my father [rip], and I am learning more from presentations like this than I did from my dad. “All the heroes are dead,” he once said to avoid any special claim. His crew didn’t bail out on him. Enough said.
clearly the old man was a legend himself.
I think your father was featured in the masters of the air miniseries.
I had a high school teacher that was miraculously spared when his ball turret was blown clear of his exploding B17. He managed to bail out of the ball and was found half stuck in a muddy field with two broken legs totally covered with his parachute. He was interred at Stalag 17 until the liberation
I thought ball turret gunners weren’t able to fit inside while wearing their parachutes
@@ItsDatGuy969 somebody with better knowledge might be able to correct me but it depended on the aircraft and the stage of the war. At the start of US involvement you are right and they only had the band for protection and a parachute stowed next to the radio operator. Later I believe they were given a modified inferior parachute that had a weird harness arrangement to the legs to allow it in the turret. If the turret was shot out there was a good chance the parachute would break away or break the legs of the gunner because of wind blast.
@old hardman Johnson. The likelihood is that the ball turret was shattered and wind shear grabbed his parachute bulling him backwards and breaking his legs in the process. He was probably on the ground before he could register the pain
My uncle was a pilot in the 95th Bomb Group in this raid. I asked him about it once. I asked him what was the hardest part? He said their training kept them focused, but watching his friends die ten at a time was tough. These were young guys (20-24 years old) that played baseball together the day before, and suddenly they were gone. Those that returned had to look at all their missing comrades’ personal effects; pictures of girlfriends & wives, ball caps, gifts from home etc., and put them in their footlockers and lock them up. Those things got shipped home as simply as we ship things back to Amazon. Truly, that generation saved the world.
That generation is also the generation of germans that were nazis, and the generation of russians that murdered millions in the soviet union and the generation of japanese that were psychos. Sooooooo... seems to me the 1920-1930-1940s generation was the worst generation of humans in modern history.
@pyropulse Because above all else, killing the enemy is seen as part of the job. They're not looked at as people but targets. But as a 17, 18, 19, 20 year old who had other guys just like you for months through basic training, shipping out, combat, and everything else to suddenly see that now brother of yours die suddenly, that's the stuff you remember more than anything. An enemy soldier is nobody to you, that's why you don't feel a thing when he's gasping his last breath in front of you. You knew nothing about him other than he was trying to kill you first.
Your friends you're fighting with though, it's like losing a family member.
I read in one of Rick Atkinson books that all the personal affect of all US soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines went to one civilian ran and operated processing center but I can't where it was. The Midwest somewhere St.Louis, maybe. Anyway, they went through a KIA/missing service members personal effects to ensure nothing untoward was in them that could unsettle an already bereft family. Things like playing cards were thrown out. Any alcohol pornogtaphy and what have you. Any letters from home were scrutinized to make sure mothers did not receive tact letters from girlfriends/lovers or even worse, a wife finding letters from lovers. Obviously, any bloody items were tossed as well. The whole story of that center is pretty interesting.
Now the world is completely in hell and there’s no saving it since people are too stupid
@pyropulse we got us an edge lord over here boys. Real tough guy
The bomber groups reforming around 2:56 was a hell of an animation.
I know. At first, i didn't know what i was watching, looked to me like total chaos & confusion. Seconds later, became clear to me that it was organized chaos 😁
Seriously! It was fascinating to watch because for so many years I have always wondered how the bombers from just one base get into formation. From the book "A Higher Call" the author describes an impressive fireworks show with many colored flares while the bomber unit circled around the base until all of the forts had taken off and could join in.
@Daniel I forgot to mention that back in 2010, at the Thunder Over Michigan air show, I experienced seeing eight B-17 bombers take off and all circle over the grandstands one by one, similar to the formations the Mighty 8th did back during WWII. Yankee Lady, Nine-O-Nine, Sentimental Journey, Liberty Belle, Thunderbird, Aluminum Overcast, Texas Raiders. Sadly, 9-o-9 and Liberty Belle are gone, but five more B-17s will be airworthy maybe by 2030. Here's a video from 2010: ua-cam.com/video/fbpaThi95xc/v-deo.html
My Grandfather Karl was a Luftwaffe flak battery captain in Schweinfurt during this raid. Most of his unit had been destroyed in the Mannheim raids In September and they had been moved to Schweinfurt area to refit as they didn't expect another raid so soon after the August raid.
My neighbour in the village I grew up told me this story: the village saw some air to air combat pretty late in the war the first time as it was in southern Germany and not in range of bombing raids for a long time.
However one day they had an air to air combat above their village with one american pilot shot down. The local Volkssturm and FLAK helpers spread out to find the pilot. It took them two days. They found him in his hideout after he tried to steal a chicken.
They hanged him at the next tree.
I asked my neighbour why they did not take him a prisoner? He was very surprised by my question and said: „because he stole, of course!“.
True story.
Is your grandfather still alive? He like all soldiers deserve a big thank you, for their service and sacrifice. My mother was in Slovakia during WW2 and I would like to write a book about her life. Soon there will not be anyone who remembers WW2 directly. Sad, because that generation is the finest generation.
@@MrRugercat45 Unfortunately he has been gone quite a long time. I wish I had gotten him to talk about it more, but honestly him and many of his contemporaries just didnt want to talk about it that much.
I have a good friend who was a B24 gunner, bailed out over Romania, spent a month on the ground, and continued to fly. He is 99 years old now, plays cards and dances at the community center and is sharp as a tack.
What is his name ? One of my relatives flew a P-51D
@@justins.966 Joe Foto, from New Orleans. I saw him Wednesday (he eats every day at the Mandeville Community Center) and he is 96 years old.
@@SoftwareExpress1 When you say Romania -- he participated in the Ploesti oil field raid?
You have no idea how much guys like me look up to the Operations Room!
Love the Chinese History videos!
Forget the channel, remember the men.
@@Caution2TheWind1 kinda the point of their channels 🧐
God be a man
@@Caution2TheWind1 wake up to yourself boxhead
My Grandfather was a left waist gunner on a B-17 with the 96th Bomber group in this raid. His plane was shot down on the return trip over France. He was captured, taken to Stalg 17B and later moved to the Mauthausen concentration camp where he remained until it was liberated. The family was able to locate the exact location of his crew's crash site.
He was left waist gunner on B-17 42-3348 "Dottie J III".
The animations really give you an idea how complex these operation are.
Its a real testament to the importance of training.
Train, train, train.
Strategic bomber crews were second only to the submarine force in casualty rates. A truly desperate role.
I will say, we only won world war 2 due to mass bodies we could throw at the Nazi war machine. I saw quiet a few videos on Germany like “the German war machine myth” or something to the affect of “why Germany wasn’t that strong”, but they fought the world almost single handily. Took Europe, bombed Britain, sent forces to most of their Allie’s when they failed, held the world back for several years. Germany had the tactics, tech, and the brutal know how on how to use the tools given to them. They just failed due to their own corruption, racism, and being power hungry. They could have just stopped at Europe and been just like the United States of modern times. But the leaders couldn’t stop, they wanted more.
@@animegaming4057 Sherman crews had some of the highest survival rates of US and Allied combat soldiers, with slightly fewer than 5% deaths across the entire US armored force during the war.
@@coryhall7074 oh shizz, I had it backwards, thanks for correcting me. Correcting the comment now
@@animegaming4057 Single handedly? The US was committing enormous resources to fighting Japan at the same time as the Germans.
@@cm275 that doesn’t change any statement, what are you arguing about? The US did help win the war, doesn’t change anything about Germany fighting the world single handily? What is your argument?
My Grandmother was a young child in Schweinfurt when this raid occurred.
Her dad worked at one of the bearing factories that was bombed.
She says that she vividly remembers having to go to their shelter and coming back to realize that their apartment block, near the factory, had been leveled.
My story bis similar to yours.
Did her dad survive?
@@mailbox3982
He did! The whole family were able to take shelter. She had 2 older brothers that served in the Armed forces. One was on a U-Boat and survived the war. The other was in the Wehrmacht and was KIA at either Kursk or Stalingrad. I don't remember which.
@@MrDadMoo Well, that's nice to hear.
Oh wow . Mine was also there. Later she got bombed again in Würzburg
I was a big WW1-WW2 airplane buff as a kid. The film Memphis Belle came out when I was in elementary school. I had it on VHS and watched that film so. many. times. It almost certainly made me fall in love with Jazz, being awestruck by the incredible, indelible Harry Connick, Jr. He was just the coolest thing I'd ever seen. But it was a young and affable Sean Astin saying "Bremen!?" with a show of annoyance that covered terror in his voice. When they heard the target for their last mission, they knew their chance of survival was low. That film was (is) incredible. No CGI. No special effects, even. That take off sequence - the shots of real B-17s with engines running preparing for take-off over that tense music...is awesome. It's not some award-winning film, but for me at that tender age, wow. It really left a deep impression.
"These powdered eggs could gag a buzzard..."
Little known fact, approximately half of the b17s in the takeoff sequence are models! They positioned them on a raised runway to line up visually with the real aircraft. Couple clever false perspective tricks, and its hard to tell to this day which is which! The miniature/model work in this movie is fantastic!
Dude same! My brother and I use make our own bomber from chairs, blankets, whatever we could find and act out the movie, pretending to shoot down fighters, even imitating the flak blowing it to pieces while we did the bombing run. I’d completely forgotten about it until I saw this comment and now I can’t stop smiling.
@@tempest9691 😊😊😊
@@tempest9691 my brother n I used to do something similar in car trips! We had these toy m60s with 2 handed grips at the back(like the 50s in the bombers) and ammo belts that fed thru when you pulled the trigger. they also had joints for a removable tripod that fit perfectly on our half rolled down windows. Birds were enemy fighters and bumps were flack.
Our regular 2 hour car rides certainly didn't feel that long!😉
Can’t wait to watch this. My wife’s grandfather was a ball turret gunner in the 379th Bomb Group.
Can't wait to watch you watch this 🤩
It's hard to grasp the scale of the bigger picture from looking at individual raids. The daylight bomber campaign was a response to the problem of the Luftwaffe fighter force, and considered to be the only way to break its strength completely. This never fully worked because industry turned out to be more resilient than expected, but it did break it down to a handful of surviving units with limited ability to conduct operations (still individually dangerous but nothing like the force it had been in 1939-42).
Bombing the aviation industry was used not just because it would reduce supply, but also because it was a target that the Luftwaffe could be relied upon to defend - as indeed is pointed out in the video, operations were halted elsewhere for this. If the fighters came up, they could be shot down, thus forcing them to fight the Americans was the best chance of crippling the pilot pool.
The USAAF had a couple of big advantages in this strategy but also one huge weakness. The advantages were that they had powerful, long-ranged fighters, andones which were very capable at high altitudes. The Fw 190 in particular struggled at high altitude as its engine ran out of power (you lose power with altitude but can gain some back with specialised supercharging), and the Bf 109 was also running out of steam though it had a very clever supercharger which reduced the problems. Meanwhile the P-47 was designed as a high-altitude fighter and really came alive above 20,000', which was a big advantage in combat. Later, the P-51 would also receive a specialised high-altitude version of the Merlin engine that would give the squadrons the ability to pick their best performance altitudes depending on the missions they flew.
However, the big challenge the USAAF had was its leadership, where the "bomber generals" had refused to accept that long-range fighter escort was necessary. They insisted the unescorted bombers could do the job, and refused to deliver the drop tanks with which the P-47s could have escorted bombers for the entire missions in 1943. The idea that the P-51 was the only fighter with the range to escort into Germany is just that - a lie spread by the generals to cover the fact that their intransigence was paid for in the blood of their bomber crews. The P-47 would have needed bigger fuel tanks than the P-51, but that technology existed, and while its range would always have been smaller than a more-economical P-51's, it would have been sufficient to get the job done.
Interesting, thanks for sharing this! I totally agree
Yep. The Bomber Mafia is one of the saddest and most tragic stories. The idea was great and lead to Modern Warfare but resulted in thousands of unnecessary deaths.
@@BetterRedThanDead21
Greg's Aurplanes investigated this in detail and agrees, if you want the evidence.
Totally agree. The jugs were more than a match for most of the luftwaffe due its armament and how the plane was designed; it could take punishment other fighters couldn't and keep going. Although the addition of drop tanks would have decreased maneuverability, a diving jug is something you don't want to be in front of.
@@fighter5583 You drop the tanks when you start fighting. Maneuverability wouldn’t have been an issue.
What I love about this video:
1. That formation creation starting at 2:45 - so mesmerising!
2. Clouds!
3. That landscape moving below the planes.
4. Shockwaves from bomb explosions!
5. Flat spin animation at 19:10!
6. Photos at the end.
7. Everything else - well, well done, Sir!
Thanks :)
Agreed that it's an oustanding production. Operations Room for the win! I'd like to seem them go 'operational/front' level and do Operation Bagration 1944, or Dubno/Brody in 1941.
My mum was at high school during the war. I asked her if she saw aeroplanes overhead, she said “oh all the time, day and night, it never stopped.”
Looking at the forming up animation, our market town was right underneath the forming-up area. Airfields around our town were: Earles Colne, Rivenhall, Gosfield, Weathersfield and Andrews Field.
There's a good chance that this is the operation my grandpa talks about when he describes a nightmare to me. He recalls a bomber circling around his home town two or three times before crashing down into a garden sink. There was recently a B-17 recovered in a swamp near his home town, with the bodies of the crew inside as well.
Thank you for sharing the details of this operation with us viewers.
What was his home town?
I was in the army and based in Schweinfurt from 2003 to 2008, an interesting sight in the city is ball bearings still embedded in the exterior walls of some of the buildings from these ww2 bombings.
I was in Hanau Germany in the Army in 78
They were still filling in Bomb craters
@@wallbanger3 due to the criminal nature of the indifferent bombing of civilians.
@@ErdoganIstKeinZiegenfi... That’s tough, too bad nobody cares. Maybe they shouldn’t have started a war.
@@ErdoganIstKeinZiegenfi... If you start a total war, you have no right to moan when people fight back.
@@Kurogumo its a pity you dont care about war crimes. What made you that way? Did you have haunting experiences as a child that impair your moral compass?
The Schweinfurt Regensburg raids were tough missions. So many bomber crews lost. Rest in peace to those USAAF airmen who died.
I was stationed at Ledward Barracks in Schweinfurt from '86 to '89. 1/10th FA 3rdID I was saddened to learn that all those buildings were torn down. They housed Panzer battalions during the war. Many older residents could still remember those raids. They liked to point out nearly everything BUT the factories were hit by the bombers.
Maybe that´s because a lot more than factories were hit that day... Regular people don´t care for factories but for war crimes!
I was at the same barracks 72-73 2nd39th field artery
Artillery
I remember the front gate at ledward where they had the eagle on the wall and chiseled the swastika out of the wreath
@@ericdole1879 They had some type of relief sculpture over nearly every doorway usually of troops in uniform. It was interesting because in the mid 80's we adopted the "German style" kevlar helmet and the current troops matched the reliefs after that.
rewatching after Masters of the Air. Thanks @TheOperationsRoom ,great work.
My neighbors who are both dead fought on different sides in WW2 Wolfgang Consen was conscripted by Germany and Peter Hauck was a American at Normandy they both ended up in Fresno and lived across the street from one another and were great friends. They had cabins in Yosemite next to each other as well and were always trying to outdo the other guy.
War is insanity.
A few years ago I read a brilliant book called Combat Crew by a B17 engineer/gunner who was a part of this raid. From his description it sounded absolutely apocalyptic to be a part of. Fantastic book, highly recommend
My Dad's B-17 was shot down a few days before this on the Munster raid 10/10/43.
They were from the 385th BG.
Great video.
Dad was a B17 Bombardier, with the 339th BS, 96th BG, 8th AF, out of Snetterton-Heath. He flew on every major raid conducted by the 8th.
I was stationed with the 1st Infantry Division in Schweinfurt from 05-08. They dug a 500lb bomb up in 06 from some ladies back yard. The ball bearing factory is still there though. I remember as soon as I found out that I was going to Schweinfurt, I thought of this and the August attacks.
I was station in Bad Kissengen ( Daley Barracks) 75 /78 as a FCO on a Hawk missile site, we would go to the firing range in Schweinfurt small arms and fire all the weapons we would buy at the Rod and Gun clubs. Had some pretty good times there.
THANKS FOR SERVING!!!
@@daleslover2771 I was also stationed on a Hawk Missile site not far from BK. Wildflecken in the mid 80's. Seems like we were always in the field. Sucked at the time, but now cherish the memories in hindsight.
I was stationed in Schweinfurt 85-88 A3/7 ADA Hawk and B 6/62ADA before going back to state side. This was before I knew about this historic mission. Thanks for such a great video
@@mikep4745 oh yea Mike when I got to the site they were moving the Self propelled launcher out, which was conventual Hawk, then went to Improve Hawk , I was in the AFU platoon, we seen in 1976 182 days in the field not including Reforgers, and main battery FTXs 77 was worst 228 in the field this was the crescendo of the Cold war, 78 well we just stayed in the field, the only way we kept track was how many months we were payed in the field... No where to go but damned we had some bodashes spade games in those tents .. 😂
My great grand uncle was a flak gunner in Berlin - 1942 to 1945 - credited with 11 kills winning the iron cross second class and flak badge and silver wound badge. Captured in 1945 and released in 1947 , moved to US in 1952
11x10 110 kills impressive for ww2😳
What was the reason for his move out of Germany?
@@VictoryAviation the post war shitshow that was Germany. You literally couldn't find a job because the places that had jobs were obliterated.
@@VictoryAviation Might not be the same as this guy's Grandpa, but a lot of German soldiers ended up moving to the US due to either economic reasons or their lives in Germany being destroyed.
@@VictoryAviation Probably because Germany wasn't the enemy by then, it was the Soviets. And Germany was in the middle of the Cold War with East and West Germany and was pretty terrifying to be in Europe around that time. Probably better to get out of Germany, still recovering from WW2 only to be threatened with nuclear war every single day after.
My dad was a bombardier on this mission as a member of the 349 Bombardment Squadron (H), 385 Bombardment Group (H). He completed his 25th mission February 24, 1944 over Rostock Germany and retired a Major in the USAFF Reserves. Thank you for this comprehensive and historic account.
In all my years I’ve never seen a better description and diagram of 8th AF ops in WW2…superb! 🙏🏻
Brings back memories - this was the tutorial mission for 'Chuck Yaeger's Air Combat'.
Which itself was an effort by his money grabbing second wife to cash in on the senile General's name.
Very well made video! thank you.
My great uncle fought in this raid, he flew a BF109 and later was credited with shooting down bombers over Stuttgart.
He was never shot down and only grounded in 1945 when their division ran out of fuel.
War sucks.
Bravo! 💪✌️👍😎🐺
@@wolfganggugelweith8760 Can't help it, i'm proud of him. As i said war sucks and i'm pissed off that our great ancestors of Germany, UK, USA, Poland, France etc... had to kill each other over some dickhole who wanted total power of europe with total war.
But! Over Stuttgart they where trying to stop a warcrime from happening. Same goes for every other city the allies purposefully bombed civilian areas in. As i've heard, this is why they where so motivated and lead suicidal charges againsed the bombers.
The pilots knew these bombs could as easily hit their own homes with their families in them.
In total, more people died by these bombing raids on german civilians than in Hiroshima and Nagasaki comnbined. My great grandfather among them inside the bakery of Calw, we still have his pocket watch, it works to this day.
I'm not here to seek revenge or to conduct similar pointless backwards thinking. I also don't want to play down german warcrimes and the holocaust.
Just wanted to share a story and what i think about it :)
@@surrealengineering7884 yes, war sucks. It sucks even more for the loser. If Germany didn't like these bombing raids it should have thought twice about initiating and then setting the example of how brutal war can be. What did Germany expect would happen? Live by the sword and what, then can't die by the sword? Don't poke the bear when you don't know if the cage is locked.
Let's not leave Japan out of it. If you don't want your people turned into smoke and charcoal briquettes on Hiroshima Barbecue Day, don't pull pranks like that Pearl Harbor stunt.
@@4thamendment237 so you think warcrimes are justified fighting for a just cause?
Wow you did a great job with this, ive heard about this raid plenty times, you actually capture the intensity, i actually felt like i was there, struggling to get home, thanks for amazing video, as usual.
Nowadays, bearings are one of the most commonly used machine parts because their rolling motion make almost all movements easier and they help reduce friction. Bearings have two key functions: They transfer motion, i.e. they support and guide components which turn relative to one another.
To this day schweinfort is still a major centre for bearing production
yep, the standard "skate bearing" has so many applications. pretty much any hobbiest who needs anything to move has a drawer full of them and doesnt even own a skateboard
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@@perthpete7906 Wunderbra ist nicht geschlossen dieses tag?
Keene New Hampshire was and still may be a large maker of bearings in this country.
Love to see the production quality constantly improving! Great video!
Thanks so much!
I love this channel. Everything from the demonstrations to the shifts from one perspective to another. It’s some of the best views you can really get. I just finished reading Masters of the Air and this goes along so well with the section on this raid.
I’ve spent a lot of time researching this raid over the years and it always breaks my heart to think about what those boys went through. But I have to say you guys did an absolutely amazing job detailing this extremely complex and far flung mission.
Thanks and well said
We can never repay these guys for what they did.
If you think these guys had it hard, try being the guys on the ground getting bombed.
@@FINSuojeluskunta based on your comment you obviously have issues with the bombing raids but I can’t tell if it’s because you are a naive idealist who thinks war can be “clean”, an even more naive idealist who thinks no cause is ever important enough to be fought for, or just upset because your team lost.
Missions like these make me realize the revolutionary development of precision guided weapons. Instead of 300 bombers for one building, now you can send 3 for multiple buildings.
Was just thinking back then bomber divisions were of hundreds of bombers, and now it’s like 10 B-52s do everything while thousands of fighters swarm you like angry bees
The revolutionary part isn‘t the fact you need less planes, it’s about you save innocent lives with it!
You could probably target individual pieces of equipment inside the factory, if you knew where they were.
@Nebula: Don't be seduced by the alleged magical surgical cleanliness of precision weapons. The world has yet to see two advanced and relatively well matched adversaries going at each other with these expensive and relatively scarce devices. I don't see any first or second tier nation giving in after absorbing a few targeted strikes.
Another fantastic video, well done Sir. The 1942/43 years were just horrendous for the air crews. 25 completed missions was an impossible goal for those Valiant crews. I can't even imagine the stress day after day and on the way to the target. Sadly almost all of our WW I I veterans are gone however not forgotten.
Many thanks!
They were nothing short of WAR CRIMES !!!
Mostly bombing civilian targets with incendiaries.
Also pretty horrendous for the civilians they killed.
@@Nickname-hier-einfuegen Sorry not really an issue from my perspective.
@@timf2279 Not surprising, considering the American war crimes to this day.
A very good explanation of the events that day. I cannot even begin to imagine the terror each and every one of those bomber crewmen were experiencing, not just on this raid but virtually every time they embarked on a raid.
Thankyou for making all the documentaries you share with us, so we can remember the terrible sacrifices made by the young men of their generation for the freedom we enjoy today.
A great, informative animation production of the raid - never seen better!
Thank you for the time and effort to produce this!
One of my Great Uncle's was a gunner on a B-17. He NEVER talked about it. I'm not sure when exactly he served or how many missions he did but given his silence, I can only imagine the hell he went through up there.
dan- what ahh interested in is the 2,000 airmen who were beaten too hell in 1944-1945 when they parachuted down too greatter Germany when their bombers or fighter planes were shot down - ahh never read/ hear anything about them . As a survivor of gang off 25 savage male boot attackers ahh know how they must have felt been kicked and beaten too death
My relative was a ball turret gunner and was KIA at only 19 years old. 4 out of the 9 crew members survived when he was shot down and the rest of the crew got put in POW camps.
I contacted the surviving crew member’s families a couple of months ago and they all pretty much said the same thing. That their fathers rarely ever talked about what they saw or did. One of the family members I spoke to said that their dad couldn’t help but cry when he spoke about it.
Very nicely done. An air battle is something very difficult to picture, let alone do a visual for.
The book "Black Thursday" by Martin Caidin is what got me hooked on aviation. It's a must read for sure. One thing that should be noted here is that after this disastrous raid, the USAAF stopped all bombing missions into Germany for the remainder of 1943. They hit softer targets in occupied France while building the bomber force back up and waiting on the P-51 to enter service.
No, they still hit targets in Germany, just not as far into Germany.
Thank you for this episode. This was my favorite episode from the World at War documentary, and seeing it from a logistics/strategic manner paints a completely different perspective. Well done lad.
The Greatest Generation. May they RIP and never be forgotten.
Thank You for remembering these brave men and telling their story.
I was USAF in the '70s and '80s. One of my commanders started his service as an enlisted gunner on B-17s in the 8th AF, where he flew 35 combat missions over Europe. After the war he went to college, reentered the AF as a pilot, and flew additional combat missions in Korea and Vietnam. After over 400 combat missions in three wars and 37 years of service, he retired as a two star general in the 1980s, and lived until age 90.
He seemed down to Earth (for a two star general, at least) when I crewed his aircraft, and that's how he was later described by people who knew him. When I think of the stories he could have told it makes me I wish I could have asked him about his experiences, particularly on B-17s in the 8th AF, but opportunities to strike up a casual conversation with a two star general while on duty did not often present themselves. 😄
This channel is unbelievably amazing! I don't know how or where he obtains such detailed information
During this time, like he says, before the P-51 and other measures that make survival more possible... it was MORE dangerous to be a bomber crewman than it was a RIFELMAN in the US Army. "Chairforce" indeed... (I'm a USAF veteran).
And this raid made it clear that bombers can't defend them themselves, without heavy fighter escort.
It's worth pointing out as well that Operation POINTBLANK took place before there was anyone on the ground. It was a preparation for D-Day. When the invasion was finally announced to the general army (due to secrecy, minutes before they headed out) several people are recorded as saying they're glad to finally be able to do something so it's not the airmen flying out and dying all alone.
Don't you sit in a chair if you're flying a plane?
Ah the days when Air Force EM's were actually in combat; instead of just being assigned to "combat zones"...
The P47 was capable enough but the Bomber Mafia "Chair force 1" insisted that the bombers would be fine without escort. They weren't. However that idea of bombers deciding a war lead to the development of the B2 Spirit which is responsible for many precision bomb in the last few decades. Crazy how things work out?
Very nice video! One of the losses on this mission was also "Lady Astrid". A B-17 of the 379th Bomb Group. Piloted by Lt. Alden C. Johnson. He and 5 other of his crew were killed. The rest became POW.
I can't say enough good things about this presentation. It is the clearest and most informative I've ever seen of an operation like this.
Have been following ETA/USAAF operations since the sixties since my dad was a bombardier and later an instructor on the Norden. So, it runs in the family and I have an emotional involvement in what you've presented.. Ironically I ended up in the Army dealing with counter insurrection and recon. Maybe that was as easier job as I never saw 50% losses on a sustained basis. I'm subscribing. Many thanks for the quality of this presentation.
My grandad was a B-17 tail gunner during the war and I'm pretty sure he flew during this raid. I unfortunately never got to talk with him about his experience since he died when I was pretty young but the war stories he told my mom are truly harrowing. We still have his old bomber jacket, I keep a shadowbox with all his insignia, ribbons, medals and patches in my room. We actually have his "Lucky Bastard Club" Certificate which were informal certificates given out to guys who survived a full tour of duty (25 sorties which was extended to 35 missions later in the war) and just to put it into perspective the average life expectancy of a bomber crewman was 15 missions and for tail gunners like my grandad it was 8.
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My relative was a ball turret gunner, but was KIA on December 31st of 1944. He was 19 years old and in a crew of nine, only four survived. The surviving crew got thrown in POW camps and nearly died there but fortunately survived the war.
Just remember that some combat vets don’t like talking about their experiences. My grandfather was a radio man on B17s and he never wanted to talk about it. I regret asking him often because it was later, after he died,did I learn that he spent time in Spokane taking care of a horse after his tour because he had PTSD from his experiences. But I’m glad you honor him and have his insignia.
Couldn't you ask the US Airforce, in what missions your grandad flew, a kind of ancestor research?
They surely got archives, where they keep such information and it surely is not classified or anything?
Then you would've confirmation, if he was part of that raid or not.
Incredible work you've put into this one, great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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My grandfather was in the mighty eighth. This was one of his stories where he was in a b24 and almost crashed into a b17 After takeoff because of the poor weather
Just finished reading about this battle this afternoon. What a coincidence! Loved the video. Thank you.
Martin Caiden wrote a book aptly entitled, "Black Thursday" about this horrible day the 8th AF endured, a great read.
Amazing story. Thanks for the precise and detailed presentation.
These videos are so great I take the time to cast them to my TV and properly watch them from the couch.
Another excellent video by 'The Operations Room'. Thank you. Great work.
My dad was a radio operator on a C 47 after the D day invasion. Said carrying mostly gasoline for Pattons tanks
My dad was 9 years old when Hamburg was bombed - like many children, he was sent off to the countryside, but returned two days after the bombing, finding the city full of corpses and burned ruins, and many of his school friends dead.
Still, of course, it was necessary. Never glorify war, it brings misery and horror to everyone involved. It's nice pictures and animations to be watched on a map, but it is hell in reality.
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40000 Tote in einer Nacht.
Necessary?
Schade,dass es ihren Vater nicht getroffen hat.
Sie wären der Welt erspart geblieben...
40000 Tote in einer Nacht.
Necessary?
Wie amoralisch kann man sein?
Great job again as usual. I was stationed in Schweinfurt with the Is Army in the early 90’s. Older German lady was my landlord and had burn scars on her arm from this bombing. Her friend was killed. War sucks…
Yeah war sucks ! When America goes home only will the world finally know PEACE !
Thank you for this video! You've earned a new sub. I am from Schweinfurt and it's very interesting to see a detailed video about what happened here in WW2. Your animations are on point and the quality of the video is impressive. Keep up those wonderful videos!
What an amazing video! Kudos for the hard work. Now, I'm going to have to go through your playlist. Cheers.
It's shocking how the air war has changed in modern times, compared to these brute force stategies.
To be fair the whole world was in pure war mode at that time. Every single effort was put on war production. Yes, modern aircrafts are 100 times more complex now, but with some industrial shift I can see us pumping out modern aircrafts too in record time. Long time wars are mostly won with production
This channel is so incredible, can't thank you all enough for the effort and knowledge you give us.
Much appreciated!
The number of bombers required to achieve 10% damage is astounding, and highlights how far modern weapons have truly changed air combat. Today a two ship of B-1s fully loaded with GBU-31s could complete the Schweinfurt Raid alone, destroying every target building completely, and still have a couple of bombs left over.
Horrifying
@@chardaskie I think you misunderstand, what he is saying is that today precision modern weapons have made massive costly air raids like this obsolete. You can gain the same result with much less loss of human life on either side now.
@@Swagpapii Nope still horrifying but yes at least we don't bomb civvies anymore. Just ask Obama
@@chardaskie Damn right. And that's the point.
@@Swagpapii and the even less horrifying part, is all those weapons are incredibly precise. they will hit what its targeted at, unless something goes really wrong there wont be a stray bomb landing in a residential neighborhood because one crewmember got mad at the enemy or because he was too late to press the button
My father Captain Robert Josephs was a replacement crew for those lost on the Schweinfurt raid. He flew for the 305th bomb group and the 366th bomb squadron. Among the American units who paid the heaviest price was the 305th Bomb Group, losing 13 planes over 130 men, 36 which were killed with the rest wounded or POW's. He said those who survived were traumatized and depressed and told the new guys not to make any plans because they would all soon be dead. He flew 30 missions from late 1943 till D Day and about half were unescorted into Germany. He was supposed to be in his junior year in college instead he was fighting for his life.
Dang - I can't get the image out my head of that pilot waving to his comrade moments before immanent death! That will stay with me.
>Goes on a mission everyone knows is going to face heavy opposition.
>Doesn't remember his parachute
> Lives anyway
Not carrying the Parachute was his good Omen .
That was absolutely fascinating. Thank you for that peek into history. You have a new subscriber.
I first watched the Iwo Jima video and now this animation. Great job, lots of work must have gone into this video. Greetings from Germany.
As the years go by, and there are less and less WW2 veterans still with us to tell their stories, it's even more important we continue to remember the massive sacrifices this generation made for all of us today.
Thank you for a brilliant and insightful video.
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It's been 8 months sence this video was made but everytime I watch/rewatch your videos it really shows just how significant of a war ww2 was.
These videos are really some of the best on UA-cam. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much for this documentary.
I wasn’t aware how many airplanes of the allies got lost on such an air ride task.
Please do more videos like this!
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Please watch the 1984 NBC Documentary, All The Fine Young Men. You can find it on UA-cam.
Very well put together video of the selfless sacrifice that these men had endured. I was stationed in Schweinfurt from 88-89 5/41 FA and had learned of this history while living there.I visit Schweinfurt often these days and now I have been on the hunt for the historical sites on both sides. Thank You for again a well out together video of history.
1983-85 I was in the US Army A 5/41 FA out of Ft Knox, KY. I never left the States, but a bunch of my friends went to Germany (or, Korea). I was at Ft Sill, OK for a while. Seeing all that history in Germany must have been cool.
Thats like a whole regiment of soldiers lost . Awesome work "operations Room " that was brilliant
I was stationed in schwinfurt in the mid 2000's, went medal detecting in some woods on base and found spent .50 cal casings dated 1942, can only imagine they were from the raid.
No droptanks on the P-47's was a serious mistake, the "Jug" as it was called could easily handle the extra weight, being also capable of handling 3000lb of external load on its wings. Drop tanks are not expensive or technically challenging, it just takes someone to use their noodle, and make sure they get fitted.
This was political. They were trying to proof the point to the British that the bombers could get through. Even during the day, without escorts. Churchill wanted the Americans to stop precision bombing during the day and join the RAF at night doing area bombing. When it was clear that unescorted daytime bombing resulted in 20-30% attrition rates, USAAF restricted raids to ranges that allowed for escorts and got serious about drop tanks. Schweinfurt was a very expensive lesson and reality check for the USAAF in 1943. They were literally learning on the job. Much to the chagrin of RAF Bomber Command. They had figured out unescorted daytime raids were suicidal in 1940. They had 50+% loss rates forcing them to bomb at night. They only did occasionally bomb during the day doing precision low level raids over occupied territory with fast, medium bombers like the A20 Havoc/Boston and Mosquito aircraft.
@@cecielhelder5923 - Absolutely agree with both of you. Thank you for pointing this out. This is covered very well on the channel "Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles" in his video titled "P-47 Thunderbolt Pt. 6 Range, Deceit and Treachery" ua-cam.com/video/aCLa078v69k/v-deo.html
By mid 1944 with drop tanks, P-47 Thunderbolts could cover 80% of Germany. Also the change over to Mustangs was not all at once. The last 8th Air Force group to convert to the Mustang (besides the famous 56th which kept their P-47s and had the most air to air kills) was in December 1944. The fact that the P-47s were turned into such effective ground attack machines is a testament to the rugged design of an aircraft that was originally a high altitude fighter.
The P-47's at the time had provision to carry a 75 gallon P-39/P-40 type drop tank under the belly. The 108 British paper drop tank (as well as its' metal equivalent) had been approved but were not available at the time.
It was not until January/February 1944 that the in theatre P-47's were equipped with wing pylons and plumbing to carry drop tanks.
Higher capacity drop tanks (150 gallons) later were used, and the -25 and later had increased internal fuel.
There were never enough P-38's in the 8th to make a difference and those suffered from numerous technical issues.
The "Big Week" missions of late February 1944 only were possible after the P-47's had wing pylons installed.
There were only three P-51 groups operational for most of the Big Week, so the P-47 carried most of the escort burden.
According to some old notes on a photo of my dad’s bombardment group, my dad may have flown this operation. He was 8th USAAF, 447th Bombardment Group, Lt George Bowling’s crew, 708th out of Rattlesden base in Suffolk.
My dad flew mostly B17s & B24s & at one point was forced to ditch over occupied France.
Watching the story of the bomber that had to limp home, I noted the route home was over France. I have always wondered what the circumstances were : now I’m wondering if it could have been on the return trip from this mission 👍
Visuals were very good 👍. Water was easily distinguished from land... something many over look and make things too confusing. And still kept a vintage period feel while appearing modern and polished. Narrative and story vere as expected best of the best. This ranks as one of your many best videos.
Excellent as usual. The stories are harrowing, and attest to the bravery of both sides. It also shows us the futility of war.
11:43 Goddamnit, that scene just sent me chills. By how you described, it was like being there seeing all those B-17 trying to fill up the formation while being shot down one by one. Truly terrifying.
Awesome!!! I have been a fan of The Operations Room since I watched your first video and you set the standard for visualizing military history. Thank you for what you guys do. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely brilliant story telling from a tactical, personal, and emotional perspectives!
A costly air battle but very interesting. Keep up the good work with the vids and history. Luv it!
There I am watching one of my favorite car UA-cam videos and up pops a notification for The Operations Room new video. Sorry B is for Build, but I have to pause your video whilst I watch The Operation Room.
The amount of research and painstaking animation puts The Operation Room at the top of my I must watch list (even above my own channel 🤣).
Why this channel hasn't broken through the 1 million subscriber mark, is one of life's great mysteries. 👍👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks!
My dad was in the 493rd Bombardments Group of the Eighth Air Force. I should have paid more attention while he was alive as he told his stories. He was stationed out of Debach, England
Just brilliant, the world war II air operations are always a favorite of mine on this channel
That was an excellent and well crafted briefing. The animations are well done.
You guys do such a great job!
Yes, thinning out the bomber formations on that high level is not an easy task to go for.
My Uncle was a tail gunner on those raids and the oil fields of Ploesti in Romania his Bomber Jacket he wore is on display at The Mighty 8th museum in Savannah Ga. What brave young men we had then !
Can’t wait to see the new miniseries Masters of the Air🤜
Saturday afternoon, coffe after lunch and operations room. Life has it's pleasures. This and TIKs Stalingrad are by far the best possible stuff on the internet for me.
One of the greatest channels on YT. Period.