🔴 NEW Siglent SDS814X HD Scope Reviewed - No.1224
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- NEW Siglent SDS814X HD Scope Review
0:00 - Intro.
0:45 - Siglent SDS814X HD Unboxing and First Look.
3:25 - 50 Ohm Input information.
5:45 - SDS814X HD First power up.
6:25 - SDS800X HD user interface and menu system.
7:40 - PP510 Scope Probes.
11:00 - USB Hub: defs.link/?u=ed6e935
11:20 - Siglent Utility Menu.
17:20 - Siglent SAG1021I AWG.
19:04 - Siglent Display Menu.
20:53 - Siglent Aquire Menu.
22:55 - Siglent Trigger Menu.
23:27 - Siglent Cursor Menu.
25:25 - Siglent Measure Menu.
28:13 - Siglent Analysis Menu.
28:54 - Siglent Decoding.
35:34 - Scope Trigger Options.
40:08 - Siglent SLA1016 MSO Option.
44:40 - Digital Decoding.
45:16 - First SDS814X HD bug found.
47:30 - Second bug found on SDS814X HD with SLA1016.
47:42 - SLA1016 digital bus connection bug.
49:35 - Third decoding bug found, SLA1016 I2C decoding errors.
54:06 - I2C decoding on analogue inputs.
56:31 - SDS814X HD bandwidth testing.
1:02:15 - Review Summary of SDS800X HD.
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POI. Not all Digital issues could not be replicated by beta testers. The dual decoding fault is a recognised bug and is to be remedied in coming FW.
There are to be 6 models in this range, 70, 100 and 200 MHz, 2 or 4 channels.
Just bought the SDS814X HD largely based on your demo. Thanks so much for your detailed walk-through which now forms a large part of my instructions. I'm very impressed with the added capabilities over my old but trusty HP 1742A! I needed to capture stepper motor step pulses during motor acceleration and the memory depth and zoom capability made it amazingly easy to see the step pulse period changing from ~500uS to ~50uS. Still figuring things out but am very very happy. Looks and feels like a much more expensive tool. Have not figured how to set time and get it to stick, it just reverts to 1970... that's the only bug I've found so far. Installed the Feb 23 firmware update and it loaded flawlessly. Love it! Cheers
I was excited like you in the first few days. Until i found quite a few bugs. First i thought it is much better than the rigol. But it seems the Siglent bugs were just a bit more hidden. I dont know. There is one huge bug: the trigger holdoff is not working.
@@SurvivalSquirrel A fix for Holdoff and other bugs is coming soon. We beta testers will have it this week and if all is sorted it should be available for the public quite quickly. Hang in there.
Hi, may I ask where you bought it? Ive been checking Amazon or Ebay for the sds804x, but it seems as the only model available is the sds814x.
Sorry Peter, I case you didn't know you require a LAN connection to have access to a NTP server to get actual real time. You can set all this up in the Time/Date menu. The scope should sync with the NTP server for the correct time within a minute or 2 of boot.
@@inakiteira6612 Mine that Defpom looked at came directly from Siglent a few weeks before release. They are currently in high demand so keep looking but I suspect it might be a while until there is spare stock of these to pop up on eBay or Amazon. TBH you would be best advised to get one from a local dealer. Consult the Siglent websites for your local guys.
This is a great video of a demo of a Siglent SDS800X HD series oscilloscope. Thank you! I watched this video when I was considering the scope. And now with the scope on my desk, I am watching the video again to better understand what features are available and how to get to them. Easier to watch a video than read dry documentation. I can read the documentation for more specifics.
Thanks for this review / guide to how this works. Just starting to learn with my "824" I received last week. Very impressed so far.
Very informative. Thanks for the effort.
I'm holding out for the Rigol DHO814 vs Siglent SDS814x HD shoot-out. :) It seems Siglent waits for what Rigol is going to put out there, then a few months later puts out a product that is competitive in price for the same basic features (number of channels, bandwidth, etc) but exceeds in other specs and capabilities. But it's hard to compare their datasheets side by side.
Omg orderedddd lol thanx uncle sam
That’s cool that you’re taking the time out Showing how this model works
Looks like it’s a very responsive, small compact scope Review video it should be gifted to you for doing the review lol 😂
Nice review thanks! I have the SDS 1202X-E but a couple of times 2 channels has felt like a restriction so I’ve been looking for a 4 channel scope. This looks like it might be a smooth upgrade. I do make frequent use of the Ext input though, for many of my tasks it’s close to having a 3rd channel.
You should compare it to the Rigol 800/900 !
Rigol DHO800 has faster CPU, that's obvious in FFT mode and with measurements, it has 1920x1080 hdmi output with scalable graphics, little less noise (if good linear power supply is used, but not a stock switching rubbish..). You can use it's android to watch video and youtube (with usb headphones as sound card), browse internet and run electronics apps :)
But the Rigol has less sample rate (more over: it's halved when digital channels on DHO900 series are turned on), no real zoom function (you cant zoom to signal outside vertical offset range), lots of bugs...
Also the siglent SDS800 has more consistent capture rate across all horizontal time settings.
Also:
1. Siglent is about twice the depth of the Rigol DHO800/900.
2. No VESA mount.
3. No HDMI output
It really looks nice. I need an up grade to 4 channel scope I have an old model still good butt only 2CH Siglent SDS1202X-E Will this model be the newer model of what I have. any info will be great thanks.
Touch disable button is for noisy environment, where touchscreen starts to glitch. You can wipe the screen while the device is powered off :) :)
Great review! Looks like a really capable scope. Does the power analysis feature need a license to be unlocked?
I believe so yes, it’s listed as an option on the box of this unit, I’m sure you could “unlock” it yourself though soon enough, worth a look on the EEVblog forum to see if there are hacks one the unit is released.
Nice
Same LCD size as the Rigol DHO800/900 series I believe, 7” 1024x600.
Correct.
As hobbyists we have never had so much choice and performance. Thank you Siglent. As the sample rate halves on channels 1 and 3 I assume there is only a single ADC in here, like the SDS1000 X-U. Is this the format across the range or will Siglent do a twin ADC version to mirror the SDS1000X-E? Whatever it all looks very nice. And well done on getting a review out before EEVBlog who's passion now seems to be pool cleaning robots.
The SDS800X HD range all offer 2 GSa/s therefore with all channels active, sampling equals that provided by the 4ch SDS1000X-E series.
understood - thank you @@tautech8196
This seems to be the Siglent answer to the new low cost Rigol with 12 bit resolution. Why not to mention it ? But, as we still do not know the price of this thing, we cannot judge. Thanks for this review.
Naming of the series screams about it: SDS800 VS DHO800.
Just been out to see Rob tonight looking at spectrum analysers, he reminded me of your channel so here having a look. Rob sure knows his stuff, and can kill hours out there looking at all the products.
Nice. I love my Siglent gear mostly. This looks interesting! Hey @SIGLENT, if you see this, how about a screen invert / dark (black background) mode for our new SHS800x scopes? The white screen background theme is awful :(
Can you unlock this to 200mhz :O so expensive and it will take ages to arrive but I’m tempted to order one as my first
Please also show FFT performance
Nice. I still prefer my analog scope.
Analog scopes are fun to use. Also they tend to have the XYZ mode which can be quite handy and it's something that newer scopes don't have. I have a little curve tracer box that interfaces with the scope via XYZ mode. So I keep an analog scope around for this reason.
Rigol DHO814? better? or poor...
Can any of those oscilloscopes, measure or display dBv and dBm?
This is a feature I'd really like to see as well.
U can set year like 1970 in case of back in time
NTP servers have a domain name as the name resolves to multiple addresses for fault tolerance and load balancing. You can probably enter a domain name in the box anyway, and you should.
However Siglent models that support NTP require the URL of your local NTP server which can be found in seconds with a online search. NTP can be a one off sync or periodically as you wish.
See the app note for X-E models:
siglentna.com/application-note/datalogging-with-the-four-channel-sds1000x-e-oscilloscope-models/
@@tautech8196 Seems to be an IP. in this app note, not a URL. I guess if you do have a local NTP server and the address is hard coded this is fine.
If you are using an NTP server outside your own network you should be using a DNS name. How I know? Worked at at cloud provider. Built an proper NTP client for an MCU (Not a simple polling but actual NTP, that takes into account the delay and jitter).
Does it work with existing Siglent function generators like my SDG2122X for bode plots?
Good question, I don’t know, I expect it would though, but is best to wait to see if someone else can confirm it, I’ve packed this unit away now to be returned to Rob.
Hiya Chris, certainly according to the datasheet:
Supported signal sources:
SAG1021I (Connection: USB),
SDG series waveform generators (Connection: USB, LAN)
Is the 70hz version good for a beginner? Or should I buy a different one? My budget is 600
Yes it is
@@plahizmaj1717 thnx for your reply! :)
40 years ago was 5MHz good for a beginner....
Apparently the sds804xHD doesn't come with a spring unlike the sds814x or 824x. so I have to order one and wait a month for it to arrive...
wtf siglent?!!! those cost like a penny?! and are super super useful!
Hi sorry what do you mean by spring? I'm deciding between 804 and 814 model.
the little short ground spring and the BNC adapter, it's mostly used for power supply noise measurement or very sensitive low voltage measurements. measuring power supply noise without them is nearly impossible! @@DR19X
Am I wrong thinking this scope has a 16 channel LA input?
yes it does
It looks identical to my old SDS-1104X-E but 12bit and touchscreen. The price will need to be the same or less than the old technology or it will be a hard sell in my opinion.
Yes, this is the first impression until you spend some time with these new HD DSO's. Many more features and substantially more memory depth. The new UI aligns with the more expensive upmarket models.Being able to use a mouse with it is a significant advantage although Defpom didn't demonstrate it. Pricing is attractive. As yet not tested however I believe the cheaper 70 MHz model will challenge SDS1104X-E BW -3dB point.
Ok, thanks for the reply. I guess as a hobbyist there are only a certain number of features I need and nothing was shown that would add value for me. UI changes and a mouse would not warrant an upgrade, 12bit and touch might. I will keep an eye out for the many reviews likely over the coming months.
8:12 these rings have some nice color. Why dont the put those on the scope itself? Those look terrible!
Too bad it's not isolated, it uses the IEC socket and not the USB bus power. Bummer.
Twice the depth of the Rigol DHO800 scopes, no VESA mount and no HDMI output.
It'll have to be a lot cheaper than the DHO800 to get any substantial market share
I don’t care about VESA mount I don’t have space to mount an arm, I have no use for hdmi, if I want a bigger view I can just use my computer and login to the web interface and even control it from there, and depth makes it more stable on the bench
The price of the Rigol DHO800 is very good. You also have USB-C so you can run the scope on batteries which is very good. The Rigol is slimer in size as well, I have the 2CH Siglent SDS1202X-E which is a very good scope but now I would need to get a 4 channel scope 12bit will be nice but I don't know which one to go for Rigol or the newer model to mine. I would like to stay with Siglent but they are a bit expensive.
I disagree. I paid more for my Siglent SDS814X HD. I do not need VESA mount. I have a shelf to put my scope. And if I want to see the screen on my 27" computer monitor, I will just my web browser to connect to the web server on the scope. I decided against the Rigol DHO800/DHO900 series scopes because of all the bugs and how bad the lines look on their screen.
I have a DHO914s and I'm considering bought a SDS814X HD. The Rigol interface its bad. They waste too much space on the DHO screen with non important things, like logos, draws, etc. Some people like and need the scope to be aside, so the Vesa would be a nice option. But the measurements results on the right of the DHO screen consume too much screen space, and the screen isn't big.Rigol put icons, draws, and some non sense stuff on a small screen. The DHO still have annoying bugs, freeze to much (I need to press Default button almost every use). I like the way Siglent does the measures results and other things. Even without the embedded generator I'm considering the SDS814X with care and attention.
@@RodrigoForrequi The siglent has an optional AWG you can buy. However, I am unimpressed with the built-in signal generator to the Rigol scopes and optional signal generator for the Siglent scopes. Just my 2 cents, you are better off getting a stand alone arbitrary waveform generator. Even if you have to go cheap and get a cheap Chinese $100 AWG Off ebay. Unless you want to do something like a Bode plot, then that might require a Siglent AWG to go with your scope unless you can figure out a way for your Siglent scope to control your non-Siglent AWG.
Can someone do video using it to repairs or checks electronic stuff instead of reviewing the product itself. I got one and 2 years I still don't know what it is needed for.
Lots of "how to use an oscilloscope" videos on YT. This unpacking/review covers a new oscilloscope model from Siglent.
@mortenhattesen I want to see a video peoples using it for real works. Not how all buttons works.
@@NengVang2007 I have shown my using my scopes many times to do different things, from reverse engineering a serial protocol, testing serial interfaces, checking for power supply noise, checking inrush current of a circuit, and many many more.
@@TheDefpom link me your videos
@@NengVang2007 what all 1332 of them? I don’t know exactly which ones I did what in over the past 9 years, you will have to look yourself, look for my repair playlist to see some of them, the Farmtek playlist for others.
In the thumbnail you look annoyed even though you're giving thumbs up.
I've had a Rigol DHO814 since October now and I bought it as a second scope mostly because of its form factor. Sadly the Siglent design looks dated and very low cost. A missed opportunity I think.
Rigol DHO800 has faster CPU, that's obvious in FFT mode and with measurements, it has 1920x1080 hdmi output with scalable graphics, little less noise (if good linear power supply is used, but not a stock switching rubbish..).
But the Rigol has less sample rate (more over: it's halved when digital channels on DHO900 series are turned on), no real zoom function (you cant zoom to signal outside vertical offset range), lots of bugs...
@@sergivaschenko DHO has half the memory depth of lowest model SDS800X HD and half the FFT points: 1M vs 2 Mpts. This is all in the datasheets......
@tautech8196 it's easy to unlock all DHO804 potential for free, and you know it well from the eevblog forum. Rigol's 1Mpts FFT is large enough, on the other side: the siglent's sds800x 1 or 2 Mpts FFT is painfully slow, almost unusable, that's because of slow CPU.
@tautech8196 , datasheets does not show the true usability of these devices. Eg: siglent has slow processor (and thus slow measurements update, fft, interface responsivness, etc.), but the rigol is full of bugs...
@@sergivaschenko Not so. You have full control for accurate FFT or fast FFT, entirely the users choice as it should be.
Good video but you talk to fast sounds like babble
It really looks cheap, they could have lost a bit more time and made it look better also.
Some say you should never judge a book by its cover......
@@tautech8196 Some say you should never judge a book by its cover, although this might be true, the cover often gives the first impression and can influence one's decision to explore further.
The handle rattles like cheap, and the feet do not stay in place. Apart from this it looks good.
@@SurvivalSquirrel FYI The handle when unclipped from its latched position does normally move very freely. The front feet will stay in place when the scope is tilted and this is the only use/need for the 2 folding front feet. When positioned on a shelf the scopes folding feet would be in their latched position.
@@tautech8196 Yes, the handle moves VERY freely. And yes, the front feet will not move, if you dont touch the scope or anything else that is connected to it... What is your definition of latched?? Mine is, "something that will only move, if a greater amount of force is applied, and a blocking element has to be overcome."
Is this oscilloscope worth it compared to the Siglent SDS 1204 XE in the same 4-channel and 200 MHz version? What is your opinion
This one is more powerful with higher resolution. If that might matter to you then get this one , they are both good scopes
@@TheDefpom ok thanks 👌
How do you miss that it is a 12-BIT SCOPE?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is it's biggest feature!
Not IMO. Professional UI, touch display, good feature set and low cost win it for me.....12bit is just the bonus IMO.
Like Rob said, it’s not that big a deal, sure it gives you some better resolution and I’m sure some people, like yourself may need that, personally it has no obvious benefit to what I do, I did mention it in the intro, but that is all.
Whooow! That's the huge advance. With new device You got 72 db floor on FFT instead of 48 db.
If someone mess with digital signals only - just spend a $5 logic analyser on Ali.
@@John.Doe.2025 Whilst the 12 bit ADC has lower noise than the 8 bit (Siglent spec is around 8.5bits ENOB) it's unlikely to be close to 4 bits better (I'd guess 6.5 to 7 bits ENOB for the 8 bit ADC).
Also, note that the FFT noise floor is *not* the SNR of the ADC - the FFT has 'processing gain' as it is breaks the signal bandwidth into many narrow bandwidth bins.
The longer the FFT the lower the noise; eg. a 4096 point FFT has a noise floor 33dB below that of the ADC. See Analog Devices MT-001 page 6 for an explanation.
Sadly, UI is still as laggy as it was 10 years ago. Seems like they don't really know how to write software. The whole thing stops acquiring and freezes whenever you interact with the UI, especially any of the horizontal and vertical knobs. Looks like the Keysight Megazoom series are still the only viable option if you don't want to get disrupted by a garbage UI.
The scope works for me. Most people watching this video cannot afford a very expensive scope from Keysight. This scope brings the high end scope features to a low end scope under $1000. And some compromises had to be made to get the scopes under $1000 such as a 7" screen vs a 10" screen for the higher end scopes. I am happy with this scope; it is a big improvement over my old used HP 54600B scope.
Display lag is by design. All measurements are ceased and restarted when setting changes are made. The ever running History in the background also has to be flushed and restarted. Even the cheapest models in this range offer a magnitude more mem depth than in a KS and for a fraction of the cost.
@@tautech8196 It's not "by design", it's the result of the software developers not understanding correct software engineering techniques. You have to decouple the UI from long running background processes. It's just poor design. You're right that it's the best value compared to Keysight, but that doesn't excuse poor software engineering practises.